| 00:14.18 | delusional_ | has the weblogin.php changed today? |
| 00:14.54 | delusional_ | I cant login to my webserver using weblogin page |
| 00:15.58 | brad | talk to brlcad |
| 00:16.12 | brad | the anti-sql-injection stuff is affecting that too |
| 00:17.44 | delusional_ | weblogin is definitely down |
| 00:18.30 | brad | not down.... just temporarily unavailable :) |
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| 00:20.48 | JeffM2501 | is it time to go home yet? |
| 00:21.04 | retro | no |
| 00:21.11 | brad | yeah, go home |
| 00:21.16 | retro | go back and mine more salt. |
| 00:24.02 | brlcad | yeah, talk to brlcad |
| 00:24.57 | delusional_ | I'll wait patiently, I just hope it comes back unchanged. |
| 00:25.01 | brlcad | mod_security-message: Access denied with code 403. Pattern match "!/imp/login\\.php" at HEADER("Referer") [id "300040"] [rev "1"] [msg "Generic PHP code injection protecti |
| 00:25.04 | brlcad | on in URI"] [severity "CRITICAL"] |
| 00:25.07 | brlcad | yep, getting caught |
| 00:25.50 | brlcad | almost the whole freaking thing contains binary junk |
| 00:26.31 | brad | isn't there a new one on sf.net? |
| 00:26.34 | brad | by AAA_awright ? |
| 00:26.42 | brad | could try using that |
| 00:26.55 | brlcad | i'll have it fixed in a couple minutes |
| 00:27.01 | brad | ah |
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| 00:28.46 | brlcad | crw just started playing |
| 00:29.02 | brlcad | (on viper) |
| 00:29.31 | brad | what callsign |
| 00:29.36 | brad | CRW or the new one? |
| 00:31.45 | brlcad | fox |
| 00:31.55 | brlcad | try now, should be fixed? |
| 00:32.30 | brad | yeah it's fixed |
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| 00:38.27 | delusional_ | confirmed, thankyou brlcad |
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| 00:43.03 | brlcad | that was wonky |
| 00:44.35 | brad | 01:43 <+ahodbot> (5) Parkinson J. Fox joined as a green tank (206.148.200.30) |
| 00:46.03 | brad | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.17 | brlcad | must be invited |
| 00:46.21 | brad | I just did |
| 00:46.26 | brad | wait |
| 00:46.29 | brad | no I didn't :) |
| 00:46.39 | JBdiGriz | You are not special. |
| 00:47.25 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:47.26 | JBdiGriz | That's a different ISP for CRW than yesterday. It also looks like a different location. |
| 00:47.34 | spldart | yeppers |
| 00:47.43 | brlcad | yep, I've got him down on at least three ips now |
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| 00:47.51 | brlcad | all different class a |
| 00:48.05 | brlcad | but surprisingly invariant |
| 00:48.20 | brad | should be able to /join (I think) |
| 00:48.21 | JBdiGriz | It's more than IP addresses. It's different ISP's. |
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| 00:49.05 | brad | 01:48 <+ahodbot> (8) Parkinson J. Fox joined as a green tank (4.241.218.150) |
| 00:49.09 | brad | another ISP ;) |
| 00:49.21 | brad | ~ |
| 00:49.24 | brad | ~dns 4.241.218.150 |
| 00:50.53 | JBdiGriz | The current one points at LA. http://www.ipligence.com |
| 00:52.04 | brad | he's going through dial-up IPs now |
| 00:52.14 | brad | 01:51 <+ahodbot> (7) Parkinson J. Fox joined as a red tank (4.241.218.168) |
| 00:52.16 | brlcad | brad: he just joined your server |
| 00:52.21 | brad | heh |
| 00:53.09 | spldart | LOL |
| 00:53.19 | JBdiGriz | We need a server option which disables a player's bullets. |
| 00:53.20 | brlcad | he's only going to known server names, because he's blocked from the list |
| 00:53.30 | brad | JBdiGriz: a plugin can do that ;) |
| 00:53.46 | brad | I have an ip-based jail plugin |
| 00:54.05 | brad | if your IP is on the list you spawn in jail and you can't kill anyone |
| 00:54.20 | JBdiGriz | Is it enabled on ahod? |
| 00:54.25 | brad | no :( |
| 00:54.34 | JBdiGriz | That would have been fun! |
| 00:54.51 | brad | yeah.. just gotta stop it segfaulting :D |
| 00:54.54 | brlcad | seems to enjoy bouncing between viper, brad, badgerking, and mofo |
| 00:55.03 | Theme97 | brad: Ooh, I wanna debug! |
| 00:55.21 | brlcad | he's actively hitting up the servers now that he has a new ip |
| 00:56.01 | JBdiGriz | Is idban still broken? |
| 00:56.15 | spldart | Heh someone else on here, I was his tester, developed a kill the guys shots ability to kill client mod... but Jeff and others didn't look to kindly on that so the project got scrapped |
| 00:56.31 | spldart | It was a 'counter asshat' mod |
| 00:56.35 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:56.38 | brlcad | yeah... |
| 00:57.11 | brlcad | i remember that, horribly great and horrible idea :) |
| 00:57.26 | brlcad | funny as hell though |
| 00:57.28 | spldart | I've killed 4.241.218.* but wondering if I should kill 4.241.*.* |
| 00:57.31 | spldart | It was :) |
| 00:57.42 | brlcad | spldart: nah, he's not changing |
| 00:57.57 | brad | he changed 3 times brlcad |
| 00:58.31 | spldart | Where is he now? I wanna play with him hehe |
| 00:58.49 | brlcad | brad: i'm watching the traffic, I know ;) |
| 00:59.01 | brlcad | 68.105.103.234 80.41.195.143 4.241.218.150 206.148.200.30 this week |
| 00:59.15 | brad | and 1 other 1 |
| 00:59.20 | brad | 4.241.218.168 |
| 00:59.27 | brlcad | er, yeah.. and that one |
| 00:59.30 | brlcad | just now |
| 00:59.32 | brad | :) |
| 00:59.50 | brlcad | er.. never mind, it's in the list i pasted |
| 01:00.04 | brlcad | ahh, right, my bad |
| 01:01.25 | JBdiGriz | brad: You have that plugin fixed yet? |
| 01:01.32 | brad | lol |
| 01:01.48 | JBdiGriz | :D |
| 01:01.59 | Theme97 | brad: Can I help? |
| 01:02.13 | brad | perhaps :) |
| 01:02.16 | brad | pm? |
| 01:02.24 | Theme97 | ok |
| 01:03.47 | spldart | huh |
| 01:04.02 | spldart | 68.105 he was using the name 'gork shuffle' |
| 01:04.20 | spldart | meh |
| 01:04.23 | spldart | maybe not |
| 01:05.52 | brlcad | 206.148.200.* |
| 01:06.17 | brlcad | new ip |
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| 01:09.11 | Bz_Win | later |
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| 03:08.28 | spldart | Would someone mind recommending a nice but well off bleeding edge vid card with good linux support that would do me well for bzflag? I want to stay well under a c-note. |
| 03:08.43 | spldart | AGP interface |
| 03:08.48 | blast007 | oh, AGP |
| 03:08.54 | spldart | will be used in tandom with pvr150 |
| 03:09.00 | spldart | tandem hehe |
| 03:09.14 | spldart | I guess agp IS well off bleeding edge hehe |
| 03:09.29 | blast007 | yeah :) |
| 03:09.44 | blast007 | what's it going to be used for? |
| 03:09.58 | blast007 | oh, bzflag, heh, didn't see that part |
| 03:10.00 | spldart | I don't have the money to buy something that will run circles around my dual bartons at 2304mhz yet |
| 03:10.22 | blast007 | you'd probably want TV-out too? |
| 03:10.25 | spldart | It's pretty much the only game I play now... so I just need accel for that and good 2d |
| 03:10.39 | spldart | Oh yeah... Svideo out would be nice for my projector |
| 03:10.52 | spldart | the hauppage pci will be my svid input |
| 03:11.29 | spldart | 2D for very fast redraw in poor quality High detail PDF's |
| 03:12.35 | brlcad | hmm.. new hardware |
| 03:12.35 | purple_cow | for linux, just about any nvidia card will work well |
| 03:13.16 | spldart | I was thinking nvidia... the drivers have always been more reliable than ati.... heh |
| 03:13.19 | blast007 | an nVidia 5200 should be fine |
| 03:13.21 | spldart | sounds like old windows ati |
| 03:13.23 | blast007 | what's the CPU like? |
| 03:13.46 | spldart | Two k7 Barton mobiles smp modded and clocking @ 2304mhz apiece |
| 03:14.19 | inchworm | 1.8ghz stock |
| 03:14.44 | spldart | I'd love to do dual 64 bit processors but don't have teh monies for mobo and chips and waterblocks etc. etc |
| 03:15.01 | blast007 | you can get a 6200 for $40 or less |
| 03:15.03 | inchworm | what's with you and water cooling :) |
| 03:15.19 | spldart | heh... I don't know |
| 03:15.39 | spldart | I active cool my water too hehe |
| 03:15.44 | spldart | LOl |
| 03:15.47 | inchworm | hehe |
| 03:16.05 | blast007 | or a 6600GT for $90 |
| 03:16.07 | inchworm | you need a tropical aquarium, you already have the heaters :) |
| 03:16.08 | spldart | I've had core temps in the 20's C while runnning benchies.. |
| 03:16.19 | spldart | 90 is a bit pricey but just inside my range |
| 03:16.35 | spldart | an 8x card will workin a 4x slot and just be slower right? |
| 03:16.59 | blast007 | 5500 256MB card for $50 |
| 03:17.05 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:17.24 | blast007 | most of these even say 4x/8x in the title |
| 03:17.45 | spldart | I wish I knew nvid gpu's better... |
| 03:18.16 | spldart | BTW.. currently running a 9800 Pro |
| 03:19.46 | blast007 | probably fine with a 6200 |
| 03:20.23 | blast007 | few dollars more than the 5200 |
| 03:20.59 | spldart | 5500 you mentioned the EVGA one? |
| 03:21.34 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:22.08 | blast007 | the 6 series has a newer OpenGL version, and I think better DX9 support (the latter isn't important for linux though) ;) |
| 03:22.58 | spldart | Hrm.... 6200 @ 60 bux seems the good deal.... Faster than 9800 Pro by much? |
| 03:23.32 | spldart | my 9800 runs at 378/338 stock |
| 03:24.12 | blast007 | I'm not sure of their speed comparison |
| 03:24.35 | spldart | Ah.... I guess I can 'tom's hardware' it |
| 03:24.37 | blast007 | bzflag on my 5200 is playable |
| 03:24.58 | blast007 | I already tried tom's hardware, and they don't have the 9800 in their comparison chart |
| 03:25.04 | spldart | I can assume 6200 family is superior to 5200? |
| 03:25.07 | spldart | Oh wow |
| 03:25.13 | spldart | to old and lame hehe |
| 03:26.37 | blast007 | ;) |
| 03:27.03 | blast007 | the 9800 might be faster than the 6200 |
| 03:27.35 | inchworm | tom's does have an article |
| 03:27.35 | blast007 | I really don't have any idea of their speed comparison |
| 03:27.35 | spldart | yep... found some info on that exact thing... |
| 03:27.35 | spldart | poop |
| 03:27.56 | inchworm | "teh best gaming video cards for the money: februaruy 2007 |
| 03:28.04 | spldart | well.... my 9800 has a ram ic goin bad so I need to replace it... was hoping to upgrade a bit while I was at it and get better linux support |
| 03:28.29 | blast007 | http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/05/the_best_gaming_video_cards_for_the_money/ |
| 03:28.36 | inchworm | yeppers |
| 03:29.47 | inchworm | says the best card for < 100 is the 6600gt |
| 03:29.56 | blast007 | the 7600GS AGP version is $120 |
| 03:30.26 | blast007 | ah, they have an AGP section too |
| 03:30.51 | spldart | 120 is a bit to high... gotta stick to a budget... hot rod needs cam, lifters, rockers etc etc |
| 03:31.06 | blast007 | $93 for the 6600GT |
| 03:31.30 | blast007 | but you only have AGP 4x anyway |
| 03:32.23 | inchworm | not worth spending too much on agp anyway..agp doesn't have legs anymore methinks |
| 03:32.30 | spldart | hrm.... cheapest 6600 is 83 plus ship |
| 03:32.37 | spldart | true |
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| 03:39.47 | FBI | hi |
| 03:39.57 | FBI | sup? |
| 03:40.12 | spldart | nuttan |
| 03:40.31 | spldart | Did I say somezing wrong? |
| 03:41.06 | spldart | I'm thinking 6200 and PVR-150 to replace this accursed 9800 pro AIW... best trade off for bzflag-ability and tv |
| 03:41.40 | Parkinson | No, you didn't say anything wrong, in my opinion, spldart. |
| 03:41.52 | spldart | LOL... You been here long? |
| 03:42.04 | Parkinson | In and out. |
| 03:42.25 | spldart | You remind me of someone... Goes by PAGuy |
| 03:42.32 | spldart | Brings back some memories |
| 03:44.13 | Parkinson | speaking of tv, I've been thinking of getting TV card, myself. I haven't taken the time to research which cards have good Linux support, though. |
| 03:44.50 | inchworm | spldart: i have no clue when it comes to TV |
| 03:45.08 | spldart | Don't get ATI for tv or for 3d in linux.... they are hit and miss... work fine in windows though |
| 03:45.42 | Parkinson | I use an nVidia for my graphics card |
| 03:45.55 | spldart | pvr150 pci seems well supported for linux... but my ati drivers keep dying on some of my ati cards in linux so I'm goin nvidia so I can keep playing bz |
| 03:46.13 | spldart | Nvid is more stable in lin so stick with it |
| 03:46.28 | Parkinson | I wish that there was an out-of-the-box driver, but using the nVidia driver download works fine. |
| 03:46.31 | inchworm | spldart: yah, now that you mention it, the ati drivers did have some, issues... |
| 03:46.42 | spldart | hehe |
| 03:47.16 | inchworm | half the time I didn't know if it was my lousy kernel compiling skills missing stuff |
| 03:47.19 | inchworm | still don't |
| 03:47.23 | Parkinson | nVidia GeForce 6600 |
| 03:47.24 | spldart | When ati X drivers work they WORK but they don't always or sometimes they quit... I'm just not that great troubleshooing dri, radeon or whateva either... |
| 03:47.40 | spldart | hehe |
| 03:48.00 | Parkinson | my GeForce seems to do well enough for bzflag |
| 03:48.08 | inchworm | I learned alot in the year I ran it, but i burned out... |
| 03:48.24 | spldart | mine too... but they are getting dated... so need something a bit more powerful from the Nvid arena |
| 03:48.34 | spldart | all these high polygon servers :) |
| 03:48.39 | inchworm | hehe |
| 03:48.42 | Parkinson | My first Linux was Caldera eDesktop 2.4 with 2.2 kernel. |
| 03:49.01 | inchworm | Caldera wasn't bad untill SCO |
| 03:49.14 | spldart | Mine was, barf, Lycoris.... I quit for a bit after that.... Jeff turned me onto Debian after I poked around and I stuck with it |
| 03:49.47 | inchworm | debian is good, no doubt |
| 03:50.04 | Parkinson | It was a solid OS. I had to do a lot of stuff myself, so I learned a lot about my computer. For example, I had to recompile my kernel for ide-scsi emulation and for burning support. |
| 03:50.29 | blast007 | slackware is a solid OS too |
| 03:50.48 | blast007 | no dependency tracking, so you had to find out what you needed yourself ;) |
| 03:51.16 | spldart | Oh god dependency issues really burned me out bad in my early linux days OMG |
| 03:51.19 | inchworm | blast007: yah, slackware... better than SuSE IMO |
| 03:52.01 | blast007 | I started in Mandrake 8.1, hated it, and went to slackware shortly after |
| 03:52.02 | Parkinson | Linspire is a debian-based OS. It's nice for beginners, but there aren't enough features for advanced users especially during installation. |
| 03:52.47 | spldart | I steer beginners towards ubuntu now :) |
| 03:53.08 | inchworm | have SuSE 9.3 at work for various reasons...not quite stable and YaST can kill your configs |
| 03:53.27 | inchworm | and 10.1 was wierd the time I tried it |
| 03:53.35 | inchworm | wouldn't read CDROMs right |
| 03:53.36 | Parkinson | I haven't toyed with that one. I've heard great things, though. If Igive it a whirl, I'll probably go with the Kubuntu variant since I'm KDE-centric :) |
| 03:54.08 | spldart | kde huh? :) It's too gui_rrefic for me hehe |
| 03:54.26 | spldart | hehe |
| 03:54.31 | Parkinson | I didn't like 10.1. It was a flop, in my opinion. 10.0 and10.2 work great, though. And, YaST improved a lot for 10.0. |
| 03:54.35 | blast007 | I don't use a GUI when I use linux ;) |
| 03:54.47 | spldart | Slower machines get x-fluxbox... fast get gnome instead |
| 03:55.01 | blast007 | inchworm: already got it |
| 03:55.05 | inchworm | :) |
| 03:55.13 | blast007 | it's one of the first things I install |
| 03:55.18 | blast007 | that, and irssi ;) |
| 03:55.21 | inchworm | hehe |
| 03:55.37 | Parkinson | I can get around fine in terminal mode in Linux. But, my machine has hte resources for GUI, and I use them. |
| 03:55.44 | inchworm | strangely enough from a SuSE box... |
| 03:55.48 | blast007 | inchworm: my irssi has 15 days of uptime |
| 03:55.56 | inchworm | 21d here :) |
| 03:55.59 | blast007 | hehe |
| 03:56.20 | blast007 | aww |
| 03:56.33 | blast007 | I only have 72 days of uptime total on this box |
| 03:56.35 | inchworm | it's what happens when you don't control the box :) |
| 03:56.57 | blast007 | wonder what I had on my linux box at home... |
| 03:57.04 | blast007 | power flicked off today at home :( |
| 03:57.10 | inchworm | bummer |
| 03:57.29 | blast007 | and the first thing I thought was "hey, why did my laptop screen dim *looks around* oh.." |
| 03:57.37 | inchworm | haha |
| 03:57.38 | spldart | :( my server has only been up 24 days :( |
| 03:58.41 | inchworm | one a week update and upgrade here |
| 03:58.48 | blast007 | my linux at home takes forever to boot |
| 03:58.55 | blast007 | it's on a FAT32 parition :/ |
| 03:59.03 | spldart | heh |
| 03:59.17 | inchworm | heh |
| 03:59.38 | blast007 | brad: at that point, does the mouse still work? |
| 03:59.44 | brad | uhh yeah :P |
| 03:59.49 | blast007 | ;) |
| 03:59.56 | spldart | lol |
| 04:00.12 | blast007 | crazy |
| 04:00.15 | spldart | Longest I usually get out of XP Pro is a couple weeks |
| 04:00.32 | brad | heh, this is home edition |
| 04:00.34 | blast007 | I got 31 days out of my 56k modem once |
| 04:00.52 | blast007 | spldart: I think you mean Me |
| 04:00.57 | spldart | Well... true |
| 04:00.58 | blast007 | 98 wasn't that bad |
| 04:01.17 | inchworm | better than ME |
| 04:01.21 | spldart | I did get 98se to run 29 days straight once.... but it was a server... not a desktop specific app |
| 04:01.27 | blast007 | inchworm: 3.1 was better than Me |
| 04:01.33 | inchworm | hehe |
| 04:01.46 | inchworm | memories |
| 04:01.52 | inchworm | bad memories..... |
| 04:01.53 | blast007 | they removed Real-Mode MS-DOS so that you could boot to a better OS |
| 04:02.07 | blast007 | er |
| 04:02.09 | blast007 | couldn't* |
| 04:02.16 | inchworm | heh |
| 04:02.18 | inchworm | too true |
| 04:02.26 | spldart | Grub saved us all... |
| 04:02.27 | Parkinson | I remember with 98 I could use DOS to boot BeOS |
| 04:02.28 | inchworm | fixing ME was too much trouble... |
| 04:02.57 | spldart | Ahh |
| 04:02.58 | blast007 | inchworm: fixing Me? you mean, "upgrading to 2000/XP"? ;) |
| 04:03.07 | Parkinson | I liked BeOS even though I didn't have full hardware support. |
| 04:03.19 | inchworm | blast007: worked at a computer repair place... we attempted to fix ME L( |
| 04:03.22 | inchworm | :( |
| 04:03.28 | blast007 | yeah, me too |
| 04:03.39 | blast007 | got quite a few of those |
| 04:03.41 | blast007 | too many |
| 04:03.52 | inchworm | yah, i guess ME wasn't bad when it worked.... |
| 04:04.01 | inchworm | but when it misbehaved, o dear |
| 04:04.05 | spldart | You can't fix ME you can staple it's stomach and pretend it's not bloated but that's about it |
| 04:04.12 | blast007 | when I first got my machine, on the FIRST boot, it gave me a BSOD |
| 04:04.35 | inchworm | bsod on boot, cool |
| 04:04.50 | blast007 | I hadn't even seen the desktop icons yet of my brand new shiny PC :( |
| 04:05.07 | inchworm | first impression are important ;) |
| 04:05.14 | blast007 | definately |
| 04:05.38 | inchworm | s/the/that/ |
| 04:05.59 | inchworm | 2k was a much better os |
| 04:06.04 | blast007 | they had to get it out before 2001, or else it would be called something else ;) |
| 04:06.06 | inchworm | and it was around i think... |
| 04:06.17 | blast007 | yeah |
| 04:06.27 | inchworm | 2k is actually decent |
| 04:06.27 | blast007 | 2k was more targeted at the business side I think |
| 04:06.53 | spldart | it was |
| 04:06.54 | inchworm | still... ME was soo bad |
| 04:07.16 | inchworm | though I hear the math dept here at NMSU is still using ME.... |
| 04:07.30 | Parkinson | Yeah, I could work with 2K |
| 04:07.56 | Parkinson | that was probably their most stable OS... just my opinion |
| 04:08.17 | spldart | 2K and XP Pro are both nice stable windows IMO |
| 04:08.25 | inchworm | i would agree |
| 04:08.33 | spldart | well 2K was a pro too |
| 04:08.37 | inchworm | XP is starting to bloat a little of 2k |
| 04:09.07 | inchworm | but whatever, it doesn't matter much now |
| 04:09.08 | Parkinson | I have XP, but I rarely use it. |
| 04:09.23 | Parkinson | Pro, I never wasted my time with Home |
| 04:10.49 | Parkinson | Since I rarely use windows... I'm thinking I will just hold on to XP until support for it runs out. |
| 04:11.17 | inchworm | probably safe |
| 04:11.36 | inchworm | don't think developers can afford to exclusively target XP for a few years |
| 04:11.54 | inchworm | but wasn't dx10 supposed to be vista only ? |
| 04:12.18 | blast007 | it is |
| 04:12.23 | blast007 | XP will never have DX10 |
| 04:12.27 | spldart | I'm gonna stand pat on XP Pro/Debian dual boots for the forseeable future |
| 04:12.32 | inchworm | so dx9 is around to stay for a few years |
| 04:12.41 | blast007 | they said it would pretty much need a new kernel to get XP running DX10 |
| 04:12.59 | inchworm | heh, talk about tying things together tightly |
| 04:13.55 | Parkinson | Yeah, you need a sherman tank to drive Vista... gonna stick with Linux. And, I don't have to worry about the entangling restrictions with Vista. I haven't the total EULA, yet, but from I've read it seems pretty nasty. |
| 04:13.58 | Parkinson | such as |
| 04:14.08 | Parkinson | you are not allowed to find work around for limitations |
| 04:14.47 | spldart | Microsquash can go right ahead and trip over their jackboots... I'll point and laugh |
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| 04:17.03 | Parkinson | I thought Vista was going to start that OS by subscription thing that I had heard about... something like the OS would stop if you stoppped paying a licensing fee... paid annually, was it? |
| 04:17.31 | Parkinson | I haven't heard anything, though, about Vista by subscription |
| 04:17.41 | Parkinson | I would never go for anything like that anyway |
| 04:17.52 | spldart | Nice talking tah yah... gotta get up early for work... Night |
| 04:18.04 | Parkinson | I guess the idea was that they could make more money in the long run, and consumers could pay a lower upfront cost |
| 04:18.10 | Parkinson | good night |
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| 07:29.54 | eTangenT | BZBB seems down. |
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| 07:31.50 | blast007 | oh neat, nice white page |
| 07:31.58 | TimRiker | my.bo down? |
| 07:32.11 | blast007 | yeah |
| 07:32.35 | TimRiker | someone working on it? |
| 07:33.56 | TimRiker | I see SportChick on the box. |
| 07:34.06 | blast007 | that's just her irssi client |
| 07:34.12 | blast007 | seems apache isn't running |
| 07:34.15 | SportChick | I'm on |
| 07:34.27 | SportChick | inn irssi |
| 07:35.16 | TimRiker | it was running, then died. I'm looking for logs |
| 07:36.59 | TimRiker | [Wed Feb 21 01:00:15 2007] [notice] Apache/2.2.4 (FreeBSD) mod_perl/2.0.3 Perl/v5.8.8 a monkey hitting keys at random on a typ |
| 07:36.59 | TimRiker | ewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time on this configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 07:36.59 | TimRiker | [Wed Feb 21 02:14:59 2007] [notice] caught SIGWINCH, shutting down gracefully |
| 07:38.12 | blast007 | strange |
| 07:39.05 | EbErT | yeah, globals down, the works |
| 07:39.27 | eTangenT | I swear I didn't use the shrink ray on the terminal! |
| 07:40.31 | TimRiker | Wed Feb 21 02:40:13 EST 2007 Apache isn't running, trying to start httpd (restart 1 of 10) |
| 07:40.32 | TimRiker | Bus error (core dumped) |
| 07:40.46 | blast007 | :/ |
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| 07:43.01 | TimRiker | not sure what changed.... can't get httpd to run. |
| 07:43.48 | EbErT | you here ybf? |
| 07:43.52 | ybf | yeah |
| 07:43.56 | EbErT | oh, that u are |
| 07:44.13 | ybf | :) |
| 07:47.17 | TimRiker | blast007: thoughts? |
| 07:47.27 | blast007 | none whatsoever |
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| 07:58.34 | TimRiker | I suspect that apache and libapr are out of sync. |
| 08:00.56 | TimRiker | libapr files are dated feb 19, but apache is jan 15th. |
| 08:00.56 | TimRiker | that does not bode well to me. |
| 08:01.39 | TimRiker | no idea how to get them back in sync "the freebsd way". |
| 08:01.46 | EbErT | month gab |
| 08:01.48 | EbErT | gap |
| 08:15.36 | TimRiker | blast007: well, I don't know what to try at this point except for something radical like rebuilding apache. |
| 08:26.19 | Manu | TimRiker: earlier said about a syntax error in a config file now says there is no httpd |
| 08:26.57 | TimRiker | yeah, I disabled a module to try that, but it did not help. I'm punting and reinstalling apache now. :( |
| 08:27.01 | Manu | IIRC brlcad added a custom file to relaunch apache when it failed |
| 08:27.09 | Manu | autolaunch |
| 08:27.32 | TimRiker | yeah, I saw and tried that to no avail. |
| 08:28.11 | TimRiker | It looks like the other older apache packages think they are still installed, and one of those upgradede the libapr files with incompatible versions. |
| 08:28.54 | TimRiker | I hope I'm not making anything worse.... |
| 08:28.58 | Manu | heh |
| 08:29.50 | Manu | nothing that can't be fixed I guess :) |
| 08:30.42 | TimRiker | and... we're back. |
| 08:31.06 | TimRiker | https seems broken... was that up before? |
| 08:32.10 | Manu | I guess all is ok now |
| 08:34.12 | Manu | https? I don't recall we use it |
| 08:34.30 | Manu | at last in bzflag stuff |
| 08:35.47 | TimRiker | there used to be a https php up, but I don't recall how long ago that was. |
| 08:36.20 | Manu | at last the main stuff is working now.. :) |
| 08:39.21 | TimRiker | ibot: message for brlcad: I rebuild apache on my.bo as it was out of sync with the installed libapr. It looks like there are old packages still installed that conflict on those files? dunno, I'm not a freebsd guy. :) |
| 08:51.48 | TimRiker | well, off to bed. nite all. |
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| 12:58.11 | bz91 | hi all! |
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| 13:22.37 | spldart | It's not a server... It's an adventure!!\ |
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| 14:07.52 | Kaire | helllo |
| 14:07.58 | Kaire | ciao raga |
| 14:08.01 | SportChick | hi kire |
| 14:08.46 | Kaire | who wants to make one separated to bzflag with me? 1vs1? |
| 14:09.51 | SportChick | this is the development channel, Kaire...try #bzchat |
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| 15:18.19 | DenverD | anyone able to point me to info on what the different columns in team score mean? |
| 15:18.54 | DenverD | hello????? |
| 15:18.58 | ruskie | lo |
| 15:18.58 | TheRedBaron | the first number, is the score |
| 15:19.01 | TheRedBaron | dude, patience |
| 15:19.02 | ruskie | afaik the first is team score |
| 15:19.18 | ruskie | the second is caps by team afaik |
| 15:19.22 | TheRedBaron | the number in the brackets, is the total number of caps |
| 15:19.35 | TheRedBaron | minus the opponents caps |
| 15:19.40 | ruskie | yup |
| 15:19.45 | TheRedBaron | last number is the amount of people on each team/color |
| 15:19.48 | ruskie | :) |
| 15:20.21 | DenverD | ok...maybe i asked wrong Q...that is not the list i meant...the bigger, longer list...with, for example TKratio.. |
| 15:20.27 | ruskie | score list |
| 15:20.40 | TheRedBaron | yea, you asked the wrong question |
| 15:20.43 | TheRedBaron | first number is your score |
| 15:20.50 | DenverD | ok score list! is there a URL to an expalin? |
| 15:20.58 | TheRedBaron | the second set of numbers is the kill-death tally |
| 15:21.18 | donny_baker | no, but thats a good idea for the wiki :) |
| 15:21.25 | TheRedBaron | 16-8 means: 16 kills, 8 deaths, leaving a positive score of 8 |
| 15:21.44 | TheRedBaron | the bracketed number, is the amount of team-kills committed |
| 15:21.51 | DenverD | oh! |
| 15:21.56 | DenverD | keep going please |
| 15:21.57 | TheRedBaron | the final set of numbers is a little more complicated |
| 15:22.12 | TheRedBaron | its the player vs player score |
| 15:22.29 | TheRedBaron | how many times you've killed the specific player, and how many times he has killed you |
| 15:22.59 | donny_baker | and not to make things more complicated.... but that is for the Normal Score setting... there is a Normalized Score setting in the options |
| 15:23.19 | donny_baker | doh... normal.. normalized |
| 15:23.33 | DenverD | and all this info is not available anywehre but here? |
| 15:23.47 | DenverD | hey ruskie..do not run off...i wanna talk.. |
| 15:23.52 | donny_baker | i'm sure it is available somewhere |
| 15:23.57 | ruskie | I'm here :) |
| 15:24.12 | ruskie | I'm always here :) just not at the keyboard all the time :) |
| 15:24.47 | DenverD | i jsut read the viper site rules....i swear i read them before (i thought) have they changed in the last couple of months?? |
| 15:25.56 | ruskie | yup |
| 15:25.56 | ruskie | rules are not set in stone |
| 15:25.56 | ruskie | they are a live thing that changes over time |
| 15:25.56 | TheRedBaron | ~stab the rules |
| 15:26.00 | ibot | ACTION runs at the rules with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 15:26.15 | DenverD | AH! so maybe the viper server welcome message should changed to say read the NEW rules |
| 15:26.40 | ruskie | I thought it does say read the rules foo |
| 15:26.52 | ruskie | they are new all the time |
| 15:27.07 | ruskie | we don't change that message for $random reasons |
| 15:27.12 | ruskie | as it needs a server restart afaik |
| 15:27.17 | DenverD | because, i was REALLY p@ssed the other day when i got killed for 4 on 5 (when i was on the 4 side) and then someone scored with a 7 to 6 |
| 15:27.43 | DenverD | ok....well, if the players don't know the rules have changed then how do we all play by the same rules?????????? |
| 15:28.18 | ruskie | maybe we should add a "Rules can be changed at any time so be sure to be up to date" |
| 15:28.54 | ts | ruskie, Manu: Maybe we want a plug-in handle the capping :p |
| 15:28.57 | DenverD | anyway, you really made me mad...and, now (after reading the NEW rules) i understand that you did the exactly right thing--SORRY for the fuss |
| 15:29.11 | DenverD | and, i wonder if there shouldn |
| 15:29.22 | ruskie | ts, sure... we do need it... |
| 15:29.45 | ruskie | the one that makes you drop the flag and not be able to pickup but for same team |
| 15:29.46 | ts | I don't know why Manu doesn't set it up :( |
| 15:29.54 | ruskie | and a 10s delay before taking effect |
| 15:30.04 | ruskie | ts, probably cause he doesn't have much time |
| 15:30.25 | ts | All there...just the server needs to be updated and the plug-in being loaded |
| 15:30.32 | ruskie | and the server would need to be upped |
| 15:30.33 | DenverD | sorry...i wonder if there shouldn't be a viper rule to keep the number of cops/admins on opposing teams EQUAL..because |
| 15:30.39 | ruskie | lol |
| 15:30.57 | ruskie | that's like having a rule to keep the number of registered vs not registered players equal |
| 15:31.32 | DenverD | because they represent the REALLY good players....and, while i'm getting killed by a team mate that thinks it is a free for all |
| 15:31.48 | ruskie | I'm not a good player |
| 15:31.51 | DenverD | the cop heavy team is running off with the flag |
| 15:32.02 | ruskie | that would be called teamwork... |
| 15:32.10 | ruskie | having cops on the team doesn't solve that |
| 15:32.17 | DenverD | not good---better than me (but, i've only been playing a couple of months) |
| 15:32.54 | ts | Cops aren't picked because they are good players |
| 15:32.54 | ruskie | it would help if personal scores are not tracked on CTF |
| 15:33.01 | DenverD | no, no solution by putting the same number of cops on both teams...but, it keeps ALL the talent from ganging up on the 'losers'--lol |
| 15:33.45 | ruskie | well I can join red more often... but that won't cause any overall imprevment |
| 15:33.56 | ruskie | know why... |
| 15:34.01 | ruskie | cause I can't play as red |
| 15:34.18 | DenverD | like an hour or so ago...i was getting hammered by a TEAMMATE while you and Mumble (dont' remember) were killing me before i could spawn.... |
| 15:34.19 | ruskie | imho blues are in advantage in bzflag as they are harder to spot on radar |
| 15:34.41 | DenverD | can't play as red because you are from a blue state??? :-) |
| 15:35.00 | ruskie | not a USA citizen... nor would I want to be |
| 15:35.02 | DenverD | for sure the blue flag is a b1tch to see!!! |
| 15:35.17 | DenverD | i live in Denmark |
| 15:35.37 | DenverD | safer, cleaner, etc |
| 15:35.41 | ruskie | :) |
| 15:36.41 | DenverD | next question: is there a way to program in the capture rules? i ask because a couple of days ago AS SOON AS the cops were gone it was terrible...no fun at all! |
| 15:36.59 | ruskie | yeah |
| 15:37.08 | ruskie | that's what we're discusing with ts :) |
| 15:37.12 | ruskie | there's a plugin for it |
| 15:37.26 | ruskie | but needs a) one of the admins to have time and b) a server upgrade |
| 15:37.38 | SportChick | DenverD: there is a plugin some servers run...u would need to ask te server owner (Pimpi) to install the plugin |
| 15:38.25 | DenverD | ok...well, his time is his time....i GUESS he knows about the problem...rignt? |
| 15:38.33 | ruskie | we all do |
| 15:39.10 | ruskie | we really want it on... it a) leaves us more time to shoot at other ppl and so have more fun and b) not being target by various personal attacks by those who don't like the rules |
| 15:39.22 | SportChick | DenverD: of course all the servers are run at the owners' expense & within the owners' time constraints |
| 15:39.40 | [dmp] | DenverD: do you participate in any of the leagues? |
| 15:39.54 | DenverD | right...i understand that....and, i appreciate Pimpi for it... |
| 15:40.02 | SportChick | I suggest you /msg memoserv or send a bzbb pm to Pimpi to address your requests |
| 15:40.18 | SportChick | it's a srever issue rather than a development issue |
| 15:40.32 | SportChick | s/srever/server/ |
| 15:40.35 | ruskie | you don't like OT chatter in here do you SportChick :) |
| 15:40.53 | DenverD | league...NO...i just discovered the game on my SUSE 10.2 in December...or January...whenever i got around to upgraded form 10.1 |
| 15:41.06 | DenverD | OH....what is off topic? what is ON topic??? |
| 15:41.18 | ruskie | this is the bzflag development channel |
| 15:41.29 | ruskie | so techinacly any chatter shuld be about probs with the software |
| 15:41.34 | [dmp] | DenverD: Der er bare ikke så mange fra DK der spiller BZFlag :) |
| 15:41.43 | DenverD | sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!! i can't even spell programmmmmmmer |
| 15:42.25 | SportChick | ruskie: it's fine if it doesn't get out of hand or take over from the work they do here. When it's generally quiet it's not bad. The problem is that a lot of folks get used ti OT chat & expect to come here for a chat session at busy times |
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| 15:43.03 | ruskie | and yeah all these issues are already known |
| 15:43.10 | ruskie | also ingame /report works well |
| 15:43.26 | SportChick | there is another channel more approppriate for extended OT stuff - #bzchat :) |
| 15:43.34 | DenverD | ok...sorrry for stepping on the dev IRC...is there a learners IRC? |
| 15:43.49 | DenverD | ok bzchat...thanks!!!! |
| 15:43.51 | DenverD | bye |
| 15:44.16 | SportChick | DenverD: don't apologize...it was quiet |
| 15:44.22 | SportChick | & you didn't know :) |
| 15:44.27 | ruskie | :( |
| 15:44.32 | SportChick | he quits fast |
| 15:44.36 | ruskie | yeah |
| 15:44.48 | ruskie | but I'm not in bzchat :) so no clue with who he will talk :) |
| 15:44.59 | SportChick | join it :) |
| 15:45.06 | ruskie | already on 74 chann |
| 15:45.08 | ruskie | s |
| 15:45.17 | ruskie | so I'm a bit picky to what fresh chans I join |
| 15:46.03 | SportChick | ruskie: yeah, I keep paring it down but too frequently find myself in >100 |
| 15:46.17 | ruskie | bane of irc addiction :) |
| 15:46.36 | ruskie | I acctually managed to clean it down to 50 once... |
| 15:46.40 | ruskie | that didn't last long... |
| 15:46.45 | SportChick | hehe |
| 15:47.11 | SportChick | well that & I tend to leave unresolved issues in open windows until they ae solved |
| 15:49.59 | SportChick | :) |
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| 17:00.39 | brad | brlcad: just got another 403 - on the "Ideas" page. |
| 17:02.04 | brad | fixed it... removed "select from" |
| 17:04.53 | brad | Is it ok to remove ideas that have already made it into bz? |
| 17:05.20 | brad | such as "dropping a flag automatically after one kill" |
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| 17:22.20 | brlcad | brad: sounds reasonable |
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| 17:30.20 | brad | brlcad: perhaps a note should be added on the main page explaining what to look for if they receive an error whilst editing |
| 17:31.15 | donny_baker | brlcad: so does it look for anything that looks like sql syntax |
| 17:36.50 | JeffM2501 | so what was the problem with the serer last night? |
| 17:38.07 | brad | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.05 | JeffM2501 | why do they keep doing it blast007 ? why?... is it something in the water in todays public schools? |
| 17:42.47 | donny_baker | Scoreboard |
| 17:43.18 | brad | ok |
| 17:45.29 | ts | JeffM2501: Are there known issues with /poll regarding 2.0.8? |
| 17:45.36 | JeffM2501 | I don't know |
| 17:45.50 | ts | I was on hepcat today and one did something bad |
| 17:46.04 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 17:46.08 | ts | We tried to ban and we got enough votes to "ban early" |
| 17:46.15 | ts | but nothing happened |
| 17:46.24 | JeffM2501 | so debug it |
| 17:46.29 | ts | I typed /poll again and it said it's already running |
| 17:46.38 | JeffM2501 | probalby bad state stuff |
| 17:46.45 | ts | after the 120 seconds have been over it banned |
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| 17:47.05 | ts | JeffM2501: Hard to debug alone |
| 17:47.17 | JeffM2501 | walk the code, see if there is an out that dosn't reset a state |
| 17:47.22 | JeffM2501 | that's the only thing that comes to mind |
| 17:47.35 | JeffM2501 | I'm not familiar with the poll code |
| 17:47.46 | JeffM2501 | nor am I maintainer ;) |
| 17:48.06 | ts | We have none :/ |
| 17:48.16 | JeffM2501 | same as it ever was |
| 17:48.19 | JeffM2501 | so we deal with it |
| 17:48.24 | TimRiker | you should be able to connect with multiple bzadmin clients on the same box and do poll testing. |
| 17:48.30 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 17:48.45 | TimRiker | I've not messed with that part of the code. |
| 17:48.45 | JeffM2501 | or find the code that gives the poll is still running |
| 17:48.47 | JeffM2501 | the error |
| 17:48.49 | JeffM2501 | see what it checks |
| 17:48.54 | JeffM2501 | and find all the places that is set |
| 17:48.58 | JeffM2501 | and see if maybe one was missed |
| 17:49.06 | JeffM2501 | that'd be my first guess as to where an error may be. |
| 17:49.14 | JeffM2501 | from a general programing standpoint |
| 17:50.38 | TimRiker | brlcad: you around? you get my botmail re: my my.bo fix last night? |
| 17:50.38 | JeffM2501 | what was wrong with it last night? |
| 17:50.38 | ts | I thought it's better to ask if it is known before investigating the code |
| 17:50.39 | JeffM2501 | still seems a little borked this AM |
| 17:50.39 | JeffM2501 | ts, I usualy split the difrence, check history on the code, see who did most of it and ask |
| 17:50.39 | JeffM2501 | after I poke around a little. |
| 17:50.39 | JeffM2501 | but that may just be my methods |
| 17:52.01 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: httpd was segfaulting. |
| 17:52.05 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 17:52.19 | JeffM2501 | that would be in the "not good" category of things |
| 17:52.32 | TimRiker | looks like libapr had been updated on Feb 15th, but httpd was still from jan ... something. 10th? |
| 17:52.48 | TimRiker | so I did a rebuild on apache22 and that got it running. |
| 17:52.55 | JeffM2501 | and it just started freaking on the 20th |
| 17:52.56 | JeffM2501 | odd.... |
| 17:53.02 | TimRiker | what is "a little borked" ? |
| 17:53.18 | JeffM2501 | if I post on the bb, after it posts it just takes me to a blank page |
| 17:53.20 | TimRiker | well, if apache had never been restarted, it would not have picked up the new libapr code. |
| 17:53.22 | JeffM2501 | not the normal redirector |
| 17:53.40 | JeffM2501 | it still posts the post |
| 17:53.49 | JeffM2501 | just dosn't take you to the proper "next" page |
| 17:54.42 | TimRiker | hmm. don't know why that would be. I got a mime type of something-php last night when doing usergroup management. probably the same issue. |
| 17:55.13 | TimRiker | odd. the other php pages seem fine. don't know why some would be different. |
| 17:55.20 | JeffM2501 | dunno |
| 18:02.00 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: I got that blank page also on the bb, when making a post |
| 18:02.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:02.20 | JeffM2501 | I think eveyrone does |
| 18:02.27 | JeffM2501 | it still posted your post tho |
| 18:02.32 | TheRedBaron | yes it did |
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| 18:05.08 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JBdiGriz] by ChanServ |
| 18:08.38 | ts | JeffM2501: Hmm, works in 2.0.9 |
| 18:08.50 | ts | but I found a nice "bug" |
| 18:09.13 | JeffM2501 | cooleo |
| 18:09.40 | ts | If you poll to kick yourself you get a message "Unable to automatically put a vote on your poll for an unknown reason" |
| 18:10.11 | JeffM2501 | proably should just do the check at the poll start |
| 18:10.24 | JeffM2501 | "you can not poll-kick yourself, just leave, dingus" |
| 18:10.42 | ts | Hihi, funny |
| 18:10.50 | brad | it should kick the player if they try to do that ;) |
| 18:10.58 | Tupone | stencil is set to 8 bit, so I guess is not it that make me stop showing out-of-window ;( |
| 18:11.21 | JeffM2501 | 8 bit shoudl be fine |
| 18:11.25 | JeffM2501 | it may be scissor |
| 18:11.38 | JeffM2501 | as I think that is what we use to clip the radar and chat boxes |
| 18:11.40 | JeffM2501 | it's just those 2 right? |
| 18:11.55 | ts | brad: I've seen people doing polls against themselves :) |
| 18:11.58 | Tupone | where is set in bzflag ? is a opengl or glx |
| 18:12.16 | ts | brad: then I always voted in favor |
| 18:13.01 | JeffM2501 | it woudl be part of the pixel format descriptor IIRC |
| 18:13.08 | JeffM2501 | look for glScissor |
| 18:13.35 | Tupone | looking at it. is an opengl call so I will check |
| 18:13.52 | JeffM2501 | IIRC the context has to be made to support scissors |
| 18:14.13 | JeffM2501 | it's been a while since ive done them tho |
| 18:14.17 | JeffM2501 | they are kinda slow |
| 18:14.54 | JeffM2501 | a simple test would be to take out the glScissor calls and see if you get the 3d vide |
| 18:15.08 | JeffM2501 | the radar may not be cliped, but at least that will narrow you down |
| 18:15.26 | JeffM2501 | I can tell you how to clip the radar with out a scissor as well |
| 18:15.37 | Tupone | going to remove all call to console and radar from draw frame and looking |
| 18:15.52 | JeffM2501 | that'd do it too :) |
| 18:19.09 | delusional_ | paused and not-respondig are the ONLY ways to be Idle for -maxidle? |
| 18:21.45 | brad | and not spawning |
| 18:22.45 | delusional_ | ah, there ya go |
| 18:23.49 | delusional_ | I think I'm almost done here, It's a new default conf file foer the new wiki. http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/366470 |
| 18:24.53 | delusional_ | i tried to put the options in blocks that make a little sense, instead of randomly scattered |
| 18:26.30 | delusional_ | most of the finishing work needs to be done at the end |
| 18:28.04 | brad | http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/Scoreboard |
| 18:37.41 | delusional_ | should listserver be one word or two? |
| 18:37.59 | brad | it's already done as 2 |
| 18:38.24 | brad | http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/List_Server |
| 18:38.25 | brlcad | TimRiker: no I did not get any botmail afaik |
| 18:39.54 | brlcad | ts: there aren't any poll issues afaik, but it's been changed by several folks since I first put it up |
| 18:40.24 | brlcad | that would sound like a bug if the ban early didn't take an action .. i don't think it's supposed to wait for the poll to timeout |
| 18:40.45 | brad | fyi /poll set doesn't work either |
| 18:40.59 | brad | even if the poll succeeds nothing happens |
| 18:41.23 | brlcad | TimRiker: ahhh.. so you're the one that rebuild httpd... :) I was wondering |
| 18:41.26 | brad | (which is usually a good thing because most players like to abuse it) |
| 18:41.58 | TimRiker | brlcad: as in now you know who to shoot? |
| 18:42.36 | brlcad | hehe |
| 18:43.00 | TimRiker | ask ibot for botmail and see. :) |
| 18:43.16 | brlcad | last night was the first time it'd segfaulted since the apache upgrade two months ago |
| 18:43.32 | brlcad | it was segfaulting consistently before then, which was part of the upgrade reason |
| 18:43.45 | brlcad | now it seems to be segfaulting on every post |
| 18:45.20 | TimRiker | hmm. are libapr and httpd in sync now? |
| 18:45.39 | ts | brad: I think red and green is a bad example for a scoreboard |
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| 18:46.13 | TimRiker | the libapr files were dated feb 15th lastnight before I rebuilt things. ie: it looks like libapr had been upgraded, but apache (which uses it) had not, hence the seg faults. |
| 18:46.42 | ts | brad: Especially for people with colour problems |
| 18:46.48 | TimRiker | perhaps it's time to check all the ports for upgrades? |
| 18:46.54 | TimRiker | I only did apache. |
| 18:47.01 | TimRiker | back later.... |
| 18:47.17 | brad | ts: should I use an FFA server? in-league perhaps? |
| 18:47.53 | ts | All colours would be good, though green and yellow are identical for red-blind people |
| 18:48.43 | brlcad | TimRiker: that makes sense |
| 18:48.49 | brad | hmm in-league doesn't have rogues |
| 18:49.01 | brad | and mofo has some callsigns that might offend people ;) |
| 18:49.03 | brlcad | another admin did a security sweep and had upgraded a few modules that came up in the report |
| 18:49.30 | brlcad | that probably kicked off the problems |
| 18:49.46 | brlcad | probably have to rebuild all modules now if I had to guess |
| 18:50.26 | ts | brad: Reminds me on the forum thread with the **** callsigns |
| 18:51.33 | brad | can you come to 81.207.40.234 and join as rogue? then there are all colours there |
| 18:51.40 | brad | port 4044 |
| 18:52.30 | brad | ~ts++ :) |
| 18:54.18 | ts | brad: I hope you know that this won't change karma ;) |
| 18:54.46 | ts | BTW: TimRiker: Have you transfered the karma from ToughShooter to ts? |
| 18:54.47 | brad | ? |
| 18:55.00 | ts | brad: it's like ~name |
| 18:55.09 | ts | ~c |
| 18:55.10 | ibot | i guess c is for maniacs C code. C code run. Run, code, run. Please? |
| 18:55.13 | ts | ~c++ |
| 18:55.26 | ts | ~karma c |
| 18:55.26 | ibot | c has karma of 10 |
| 18:55.29 | ts | ~c++ |
| 18:55.30 | brad | oh.. the with the smiley it doesn't work? |
| 18:55.35 | ts | see, it doesn't change |
| 18:55.47 | ts | similar with smiley ;) |
| 18:55.58 | brad | ~ts++ |
| 18:56.09 | brlcad | ~:) |
| 18:56.10 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, :) is honeypea |
| 18:56.17 | ts | ~brad++ |
| 18:57.03 | brad | does that new image look better? |
| 18:57.13 | brad | still gotta change the other image and the text |
| 18:57.40 | ts | The last name is not good to read for me |
| 18:57.49 | brad | :-/ |
| 18:58.11 | brad | does 1 name not being readable really matter that much? |
| 18:58.16 | ts | Are you using a different font than the standard one? |
| 18:58.20 | brad | yes |
| 18:58.24 | brad | profont |
| 18:58.35 | ts | brad: No, it does not matter that much but it could be better |
| 18:58.47 | ts | Ah, profont.. |
| 18:59.05 | brad | you're even more picky than me ;) |
| 18:59.07 | ts | It looks ugly in bz for me, due to the fact it doesn't have OS smoothing |
| 18:59.43 | ts | Your text is a lot different than what I see with same font |
| 19:01.26 | brad | I'll link to a page on how to change the font :) |
| 19:01.39 | brad | and state that it's not the default font |
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| 19:06.22 | brlcad | brad: I disabled one of the filters that was causing the most trouble, should get fewer rejections now |
| 19:08.08 | brad | thanks |
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| 19:32.41 | brlcad | brad: are you consistently getting blank pages? |
| 19:33.49 | brad | not at all |
| 19:51.15 | brlcad | when does it seem to happen? |
| 19:51.28 | brlcad | i noticed one just happened, for example.. but i'm having trouble reproducing it |
| 19:51.44 | brlcad | to test and make sure the problem is fixed |
| 19:52.37 | brad | I haven't had any blank pages |
| 19:53.03 | brlcad | hm |
| 19:53.25 | brlcad | well, something someone is doing, provokes a nice crash of the web server from time to time.. :) |
| 19:53.26 | ts | brlcad: I'm getting emails regarding changes and the diffs are empty |
| 19:53.46 | ts | versions/authors doesn't list the people I see in email, either |
| 19:53.59 | brlcad | ahh, maybe the e-mail kick off that php tries |
| 19:56.05 | ts | Well, I don't understand it but maybe I don't need to :/ |
| 19:56.43 | brlcad | yep, that's the problem |
| 19:56.50 | brlcad | crashy boom boom |
| 20:11.05 | Manu | brlcad: poor server :) |
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| 20:18.22 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v menotume] by ChanServ |
| 20:19.54 | TimRiker | well I hope I didn't make anything worse. :/ |
| 20:20.12 | menotume | Tim ! |
| 20:20.28 | menotume | (hi) :) |
| 20:23.03 | brlcad | TimRiker: it only prevents php from sending e-mail .. and I can't see how less e-mail floating around is a "bad thing" ;) |
| 20:23.18 | brlcad | by george! |
| 20:23.23 | brlcad | it's a menotume |
| 20:24.20 | Manu | long time no see menotume :) |
| 20:24.32 | menotume | hehe |
| 20:24.34 | menotume | hi all |
| 20:24.53 | Manu | you are alive! ;) |
| 20:25.31 | menotume | yes, i think so :) |
| 20:25.39 | menotume | well, 90% anyway |
| 20:25.44 | Manu | only a bit :) |
| 20:25.50 | brlcad | ~stab menotume |
| 20:25.51 | ibot | ACTION runs at menotume with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 20:26.45 | Manu | isn't the FreeBSD version a bit old? |
| 20:26.52 | Manu | brlcad ^-- |
| 20:27.27 | brlcad | Manu: yes, the kernel is pushing 2 years now? |
| 20:28.04 | Manu | production version is 5.5 :) |
| 20:28.08 | brlcad | exceptionally stable kernel-wise |
| 20:28.49 | Manu | hehe :) |
| 20:29.01 | brlcad | i'm not too keen on upgrading the kernel for no particular reason, it works stable/well enough and stays out of the way |
| 20:29.31 | brlcad | plus it'd be a tricky remote upgrade, where if *anything* went wrong, it'd be difficult to bring it back up |
| 20:29.47 | Manu | I understand you... if it works.. don't touch it ;) |
| 20:29.55 | brlcad | yep |
| 20:30.07 | Tupone | maybe I'll see, next future, what a very short kernel can do |
| 20:30.33 | brlcad | heck, almost every time we upgrade just about any of the userland apps, something changes/breaks .. it could be catastrophic at the kernel level ;) |
| 20:31.27 | Manu | the same with some linux distros :) |
| 20:31.27 | brlcad | if I didn't have such a great deal on bandwidth from the ISP, I'd have gotten a second server, installed 6.2 and migrated |
| 20:31.50 | Tupone | any experience with new version of minix ? |
| 20:32.03 | brlcad | not the new one, *years* ago |
| 20:32.23 | Tupone | this seems good, from the ad |
| 20:32.33 | brlcad | hehe |
| 20:34.19 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (bzflag.cxx bzflag.h playing.cxx playing.h): Keyboard is again handled. But maybe some special keys not |
| 20:34.56 | Tupone | Maybe I'll try it with goal of dependable system |
| 20:34.59 | Tupone | s |
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| 20:39.08 | bz19 | ~bzfquery boozaboo.booz.org:5154 |
| 20:40.01 | bz19 | ~bzfquery boozaboo.booz.org:5154 |
| 20:40.36 | bz19 | ~bzfquery boozaboo.booz.org: 5154 |
| 20:40.48 | bz19 | it won work! |
| 20:40.50 | bz19 | it wont work! |
| 20:41.09 | bz19 | ~bzfquery boozaboo.booz.org:5154 |
| 20:42.10 | bz19 | ~bzfquery boozaboo.booz.org:5154 |
| 20:42.36 | bz19 | why wont it connect? |
| 20:43.29 | Manu | bz19: is your server running? |
| 20:43.36 | TimRiker | you could use another os, where upgrades are less problematic. you don't even have to *gasp* compile them as you can download the binaries. :) |
| 20:43.53 | brlcad | TimRiker: fyi, if you mean .bz, someone is working on apache and family right now |
| 20:44.12 | TimRiker | brlcad: just poking for fun. :) |
| 20:44.19 | brlcad | and har har.. there are binaries I could download too ;) |
| 20:44.25 | *** join/#bzflag bz19 (n=45360bfd@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:44.32 | bz19 | ok im back |
| 20:44.35 | TimRiker | :) |
| 20:44.44 | bz19 | why wont it connect? |
| 20:44.44 | Manu | heh |
| 20:44.48 | brlcad | messing with the kernel is always a risk, and just not one worth taking imho until one has a pressing need ;) |
| 20:45.06 | brlcad | unless you've got physical access to the box, of course |
| 20:45.17 | Manu | bz19: is your server up? are you using any firewall?... |
| 20:45.18 | bz19 | the ibot says it cant connect my server! |
| 20:45.34 | bz19 | ~bzfquery boozaboo.booz.org:5154 |
| 20:45.41 | menotume | brlcad: something strange happening to me with private messages at mbo/bb |
| 20:46.07 | brlcad | menotume: yes, anything that kicks off an e-mail is off-line at the moment |
| 20:46.12 | brlcad | being worked on |
| 20:46.14 | bz19 | why wont it connect? |
| 20:46.33 | brlcad | bz19: because you keep typing bzfquery too many times |
| 20:46.33 | menotume | i sent a reply to one, got a "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage", and the orignal msg was deleted :) |
| 20:46.42 | menotume | ahhhh, nvm then :) |
| 20:46.52 | bz19 | so? |
| 20:47.03 | bz19 | when will it say my server is up! |
| 20:47.05 | brlcad | menotume: yeah, the "cannot display" means you crashed an httpd ;) |
| 20:47.10 | menotume | hehe |
| 20:47.14 | menotume | yay ! |
| 20:47.32 | brlcad | which are scrolling rather annoyingly on my console as they happen ;) |
| 20:47.33 | menotume | anything i can do to help (mess it up) ? |
| 20:48.04 | menotume | refresh, refresh, refresh |
| 20:48.18 | Manu | bz19: anybody can connect your server from the outside |
| 20:48.26 | bz19 | I followed the CreateAServer thing, and edited bzfs.conf, and then I came here to type in the bzfquery thing.. so what did i do wrong? |
| 20:49.00 | menotume | bz19: router/firewall ? |
| 20:49.15 | bz19 | huh? |
| 20:49.17 | Manu | menotume: I said it before.. but no response ;) |
| 20:49.22 | menotume | oh :) |
| 20:49.26 | menotume | hold opn |
| 20:49.26 | bz19 | i have a firewall |
| 20:49.35 | menotume | you need to make the port availble |
| 20:49.44 | bz19 | <ibot> could not connect to boozaboo.booz.org:5154 |
| 20:49.57 | bz19 | thats what it keeps on saying |
| 20:50.00 | Manu | bz19: nobody can connect |
| 20:50.16 | Manu | can you connect? |
| 20:50.43 | brlcad | bz19: it means you either 1) editing bzfs.conf incorrectly or 2) have a firewall or proxy that need to allow the network traffic to flow |
| 20:51.00 | Manu | or the server is not running ;) |
| 20:51.07 | brlcad | heh, or that :) |
| 20:51.14 | brlcad | and a computer |
| 20:51.20 | brlcad | that is plugged in |
| 20:51.22 | brlcad | and running |
| 20:51.34 | menotume | bz19, can you connect to your server using " boozaboo.booz.org:5154" ? |
| 20:51.38 | menotume | bzflag client |
| 20:52.16 | menotume | i can't even ping it :) |
| 20:52.18 | Manu | bz19: if the server is in your home computer, you can try to connect to localhost:5154 |
| 20:52.51 | bz19 | boozaboo.booz.org:5154 |
| 20:53.07 | menotume | i can't ping boozaboo.booz.org |
| 20:53.11 | Manu | heh |
| 20:53.42 | Manu | menotume: probably it doesn't respond to pings ;) |
| 20:53.53 | menotume | it doesn't :P |
| 20:53.56 | bz19 | ok, i edited bzfs.conf to my liking, saved it, then came here. did i miss a step? |
| 20:54.05 | menotume | oh boy |
| 20:54.10 | Manu | and did you lauched the server? |
| 20:54.13 | Manu | :) |
| 20:54.21 | bz19 | how do you launch it..... |
| 20:54.26 | menotume | bz19: where is it running? On your home computer ? |
| 20:54.30 | Manu | it depends of your OS |
| 20:54.38 | bz19 | i made it with bzedit if that helps, on my home computer |
| 20:55.33 | menotume | bz19: can you connect to your server ? using bzflag client, and localhost:5154 as the server |
| 20:55.49 | bz19 | ~bzfquery boozaboo.booz.org:5154 |
| 20:55.55 | Manu | menotume: are you repeating what I said? ;) |
| 20:56.00 | menotume | yes |
| 20:56.03 | menotume | :) |
| 20:56.14 | bz19 | bzfquery~ localhost:5154 |
| 20:56.27 | bz19 | oops |
| 20:56.28 | Manu | bz19 are you using windows, linux, mac...?= |
| 20:56.33 | bz19 | windows |
| 20:56.36 | bz19 | xp |
| 20:57.01 | Manu | you must run the program bzfs.exe (the server) |
| 20:57.14 | bz19 | oh, didint do that |
| 20:57.20 | Manu | I know |
| 20:58.06 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc4-stme1-0-0-cust103.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:58.26 | bz19 | it comes up with a "no acceleration speed limit has been set" |
| 20:58.35 | Manu | yes, it's ok |
| 20:58.43 | Manu | now try to connect |
| 20:59.08 | bz19 | ~bzfquery boozaboo.booz.org:5154 |
| 20:59.14 | Manu | try to connect localhost:5154 |
| 20:59.31 | bz19 | ~bzfquery localhost:5154 |
| 20:59.42 | bz19 | couldn't connect |
| 20:59.57 | *** join/#bzflag zee812 (i=cc532546@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-a725bde20ad8df8c) |
| 21:00.05 | Manu | bz19, once your server is running.. open your bzflag client, write in options, server: localhost and port: 5154 and connect |
| 21:00.40 | brlcad | hehe |
| 21:00.43 | brlcad | localhost |
| 21:00.48 | bz19 | it sayas it wont connect! how can it run! |
| 21:01.02 | Manu | then the server isn't up |
| 21:01.15 | brlcad | bz19: localhost is only local to YOU .. that won't work for anyone else, even ibot .. but *should* work for you |
| 21:01.37 | Manu | it's the first step to check your server is running |
| 21:01.50 | brlcad | if it doesn't work for you, then you're not running the server correctly, or haven't configured it correctly -- use the -d -d -d options and read to see why |
| 21:02.03 | TimRiker | hehe. I could start a bzflag server on ibot's box, then localhost would show a running server. :) |
| 21:02.08 | bz19 | ok, im confused now.. |
| 21:03.35 | Manu | bz19 remember to execute bzfs.exe if you did it in a terminal, don't close it |
| 21:03.50 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery 69.54.11.253:5154 |
| 21:04.18 | brad | :) |
| 21:04.26 | TimRiker | looks like a firewall issue to me. |
| 21:04.45 | TimRiker | ~nslookup boozaboo.booz.org |
| 21:05.12 | Manu | TimRiker: if he can't connect into his box.. the server isn't up |
| 21:05.22 | bz19 | ~bzfquery 212.227.34.3:5154 |
| 21:05.52 | Manu | bz19: what have you done extactly to run the server? |
| 21:06.42 | bz19 | ok, i made the world with bzedit, then i opened bzfs.conf and did the little # sign thing, then I saved it, and came here |
| 21:08.47 | Manu | ~bzfquery jujibo.pimpi.org:5154 |
| 21:08.54 | Manu | :) |
| 21:09.02 | bz19 | yours works! |
| 21:09.06 | *** join/#bzflag bz85 (n=536926f0@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:09.07 | bz19 | whydoesnt mine? |
| 21:09.11 | Manu | yes, I simply launched bzfs |
| 21:09.15 | Manu | with no options |
| 21:09.23 | Manu | you must run the server at first |
| 21:09.30 | Manu | look for bzfs.exe |
| 21:09.36 | bz19 | i found it |
| 21:09.44 | Manu | open a terminal or command shell or what ever is called in windows |
| 21:09.58 | Manu | write cd c:\..... the path where bzfs.exe is |
| 21:10.04 | bz19 | does that mean open bzfs.exe? |
| 21:10.07 | Manu | and then enter: bzfs.exe |
| 21:10.34 | *** join/#bzflag donny_baker (n=donny_ba@mse1.bowencenter.org) |
| 21:10.40 | Manu | yes, but in a console |
| 21:10.51 | bz19 | ok |
| 21:11.14 | Manu | and don't close the console.. |
| 21:11.22 | brlcad | bz19: for what it's worth, running a server on Windows is not really recommended at all .. |
| 21:11.50 | Manu | brlcad: he want's to get the satisfation of running a bzflag server ;) |
| 21:11.57 | Manu | wants* |
| 21:12.22 | Manu | but I guess he needs to learn many things at first |
| 21:12.39 | bz19 | ok |
| 21:12.41 | bz19 | did it |
| 21:12.52 | Manu | entered bzfs.exe? |
| 21:12.57 | bz19 | yep |
| 21:13.06 | Manu | it must say a long message, right? |
| 21:13.18 | menotume | command not found :) |
| 21:13.25 | bz19 | yah, something to do with my mouse acceleration |
| 21:13.32 | Manu | bz19: right |
| 21:13.39 | Manu | now don't close the console.. |
| 21:13.43 | bz19 | ok |
| 21:13.55 | Manu | open your bzflag and try to connect to the server: localhost and the port:5154 |
| 21:14.06 | bz19 | ok, brb |
| 21:14.07 | Manu | remember server: localhost |
| 21:15.18 | *** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@c-69-251-252-148.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 21:16.52 | bz19 | ok im back |
| 21:16.59 | Manu | and? |
| 21:17.15 | bz19 | it came to a server, but it wasn't the one i created |
| 21:17.17 | Manu | was ok? |
| 21:17.30 | Manu | well it was a random map but your server is running and up |
| 21:17.38 | Manu | this is the first step |
| 21:17.44 | bz19 | so how do i get to he one i created |
| 21:17.45 | Manu | the second is to run a server with a config file |
| 21:17.52 | bz19 | ok |
| 21:18.07 | bz19 | explain plz |
| 21:18.14 | bz19 | how? |
| 21:18.20 | Manu | you must run: bzfs.exe -conf yourconfigfile |
| 21:18.41 | Manu | where yourconfig file is the config file you have created |
| 21:18.53 | Manu | if you have created one |
| 21:19.11 | bz19 | i have created one... so i just open bzfs.exe? |
| 21:19.18 | Manu | or if you want to use a map and no config file: bzfs.exe -world yourmapfile |
| 21:19.21 | JeffM2501 | no, you run it from the command line |
| 21:19.32 | Manu | you must run: bzfs.exe -conf yourconfigfilename |
| 21:19.36 | JeffM2501 | bzfls is not a "point and click" application |
| 21:19.43 | JeffM2501 | it is a command line program |
| 21:19.53 | bz19 | it wont let me type anything |
| 21:19.58 | Manu | JeffM2501: yes, now he knows how to run a server.. |
| 21:19.59 | JeffM2501 | you don't double click it |
| 21:20.04 | JeffM2501 | Manu, no he dosn't ;) |
| 21:20.10 | JeffM2501 | that's obvious |
| 21:20.12 | Manu | press ctrl+c to stop the server ;) |
| 21:20.16 | Manu | remember it was running |
| 21:20.33 | Manu | JeffM2501: yes, his server was running with no options ;) |
| 21:20.45 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't mean he knows how to do command line stuff |
| 21:20.51 | JeffM2501 | he was just double clicking it |
| 21:20.51 | Manu | now he is gone :/ |
| 21:20.55 | JeffM2501 | and expecting to type into it |
| 21:20.57 | Manu | what a wasted of time :/ |
| 21:21.16 | JeffM2501 | realy should make bzfs throw up some text when it's started with no paramaters |
| 21:21.20 | Manu | he just wrote a config file and nothing more :) |
| 21:21.26 | JeffM2501 | "don't double click me, you dingus" |
| 21:21.33 | brlcad | JeffM2501: that's so antithesis to the unix-way ;) |
| 21:21.34 | Manu | hehe |
| 21:21.59 | brlcad | maybe a big ol #ifdef _WIN32 MessageBox() |
| 21:22.00 | JeffM2501 | yet I'd bet it's what 95% of the mac users would do by default ;) |
| 21:22.10 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 21:22.25 | JeffM2501 | even some text in std out would be good |
| 21:22.32 | JeffM2501 | cus all they get is a black box |
| 21:22.36 | brlcad | or if (double_clicked) ... |
| 21:22.42 | JeffM2501 | that they "can't type in" |
| 21:22.51 | JeffM2501 | don't know if I can tell if it was double clicked or not |
| 21:22.59 | menotume | Manu: he'll be back :) |
| 21:23.07 | brlcad | that's the point of a daemon, though.. not supposed to output anything unless it's requested |
| 21:23.07 | Manu | I'm not sure ;) |
| 21:23.17 | Manu | he ran in fear.. |
| 21:23.17 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I mean only for windows |
| 21:23.22 | JeffM2501 | on windows it isn't a deamon |
| 21:23.26 | JeffM2501 | if it was it'd be a service |
| 21:23.29 | brlcad | unless it's a command that has a -daemon option .. which we could certainly add |
| 21:24.35 | Manu | it must be a service probably |
| 21:24.35 | JeffM2501 | runing a server on windows with no options is almost always a mistake by the user |
| 21:24.35 | *** join/#bzflag bz19 (n=45360bfd@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:24.35 | bz19 | im bak |
| 21:24.35 | Manu | he is back :) |
| 21:24.35 | bz19 | it kicked me off |
| 21:24.35 | bz19 | so wat do you want me to do? |
| 21:24.35 | Manu | heh, use a real irc program ;) |
| 21:24.46 | Manu | you must press ctrl+c to stop the server |
| 21:24.57 | Manu | then run again: bzfs.exe -conf your_config_file |
| 21:24.58 | bz19 | i tried, it wont let me use #bzflag |
| 21:25.33 | Manu | #bzflag is in freenode.net |
| 21:25.45 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 21:25.51 | bz19 | it wont let me type anything on the bzfs.exe! |
| 21:25.58 | JeffM2501 | see Manu |
| 21:26.03 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 21:26.05 | JeffM2501 | bz19, you can't just double click the exe |
| 21:26.05 | Manu | :/ |
| 21:26.10 | JeffM2501 | you have to use the comamnd terminal |
| 21:26.14 | JeffM2501 | what version of windows are you on? |
| 21:26.17 | TimRiker | #BZFlag - for when you need a laugh |
| 21:26.18 | bz19 | oh |
| 21:26.22 | Manu | but he opened a console earlier.. :/ |
| 21:26.29 | JeffM2501 | Manu, doubtfull |
| 21:26.33 | bz19 | im on windows xp |
| 21:26.39 | JeffM2501 | double clicking bzfs makes what looks like a console |
| 21:27.10 | Manu | yes, we k now it :/ |
| 21:27.10 | brad | bz19: start menu -> run -> "cmd" |
| 21:27.10 | JeffM2501 | with no quotes :) |
| 21:27.15 | brad | yeah.. |
| 21:27.27 | brad | actually it works with quotes |
| 21:27.28 | brad | I just tryed |
| 21:27.30 | JeffM2501 | then cd "C:\the\path\to\your\bzfs\" |
| 21:27.52 | Manu | JeffM2501: I told him it earlier.. :/ |
| 21:27.53 | JeffM2501 | then bzfs -conf "the\path\to\your\config" |
| 21:28.10 | bz19 | still wont let me type in the box |
| 21:28.25 | brlcad | ~TimRiker++ |
| 21:28.30 | JeffM2501 | bz19, are you double clicking on the bzfs exe? |
| 21:28.43 | *** join/#bzflag Bz_Win (n=Kyle@CPE00188ba1c45d-CM000f212f84a6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 21:28.45 | Bz_Win | boop |
| 21:28.55 | bz19 | no, im running it by text from the Run>cmd |
| 21:29.10 | JeffM2501 | when you hit enter that brings up a command terminal right? |
| 21:29.15 | JeffM2501 | can you type in that? |
| 21:29.18 | bz19 | yep |
| 21:29.23 | JeffM2501 | and you can type in that right? |
| 21:29.30 | bz19 | yep |
| 21:29.34 | brad | are you using bzflag 2.0.8? |
| 21:29.43 | bz19 | im using 2.0.4 |
| 21:29.45 | brad | k |
| 21:29.46 | JeffM2501 | ok, then that is the "box" you type the command into |
| 21:30.02 | JeffM2501 | where is your bzfs located? |
| 21:30.06 | JeffM2501 | in the default folder? |
| 21:30.14 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (n=bzgirl@unaffiliated/orchid) |
| 21:30.14 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v orchid] by ChanServ |
| 21:30.17 | bz19 | documents and settings |
| 21:30.25 | Manu | welcome orchid :) |
| 21:30.30 | JeffM2501 | not your config, your bzfs.exe |
| 21:30.35 | orchid | hello :) |
| 21:30.45 | bz19 | yah, i saved it in documents and settings |
| 21:30.50 | JeffM2501 | good lord why |
| 21:30.53 | JeffM2501 | but whatever |
| 21:30.57 | JeffM2501 | ok then type in that box |
| 21:31.17 | brad | bz19: it's easier if you install bzflag to the default place |
| 21:31.19 | JeffM2501 | cd "C:\documents and settings\the \res\of the\path" |
| 21:31.27 | JeffM2501 | then hit enter |
| 21:31.33 | JeffM2501 | that will take you to that directly |
| 21:31.35 | JeffM2501 | directory |
| 21:31.40 | brad | .. |
| 21:31.50 | JeffM2501 | or he could just get his parents to help him |
| 21:32.31 | JeffM2501 | so this will make what? 223 servers now or soemthing? |
| 21:32.38 | brad | ~bzflist |
| 21:32.46 | brad | heh |
| 21:33.00 | brad | 236.... and that's just 2.0 server |
| 21:33.01 | JeffM2501 | oh 237 |
| 21:33.35 | brad | hmm, maybe the "s=219" is actually the number of server? |
| 21:33.35 | JeffM2501 | still at least more players then servers |
| 21:33.58 | JeffM2501 | saying there are 8 non 2.0.x players? |
| 21:34.05 | brad | yeah |
| 21:34.09 | JeffM2501 | myabe |
| 21:34.10 | brad | look at brad.bz:1337 |
| 21:34.14 | brad | it's a bug ;) |
| 21:34.22 | brad | says there are 8 players on it |
| 21:34.41 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 21:35.08 | brad | 2.0 client shows 220 servers |
| 21:35.09 | *** join/#bzflag bz19 (n=45360bfd@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:35.18 | bz19 | im back, it kicked me |
| 21:35.20 | bz19 | again |
| 21:35.31 | JeffM2501 | do you know the exact path to your bzfs.exe? |
| 21:35.39 | bz19 | yes |
| 21:35.50 | JeffM2501 | in the command terminal type cd then that path |
| 21:35.52 | JeffM2501 | in quotes |
| 21:35.57 | JeffM2501 | then hit enter |
| 21:36.00 | bz19 | is still wont let me type in the bzfs.exe box |
| 21:36.05 | JeffM2501 | we know |
| 21:36.08 | JeffM2501 | it NEVER WILL |
| 21:36.15 | JeffM2501 | your don't put the options in that place |
| 21:36.20 | JeffM2501 | that's what we are trying to tell yo |
| 21:36.28 | bz19 | ohhhhhhhh |
| 21:36.31 | bz19 | oops |
| 21:36.33 | JeffM2501 | we are trying to tell you how to pass in the config BEFORE you run the server |
| 21:36.41 | bz19 | oh... |
| 21:36.42 | JeffM2501 | BZFS is not interactive |
| 21:37.07 | bz19 | ok |
| 21:37.15 | JeffM2501 | good lord |
| 21:37.32 | brad | I think you finally got him to understand that part :) |
| 21:37.59 | *** join/#bzflag bz19 (n=45360bfd@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:38.07 | bz19 | k did that |
| 21:38.17 | bz19 | typed in where my map file was |
| 21:38.28 | JeffM2501 | is that where the bzfs.exe is located too? |
| 21:38.36 | bz19 | and it flashed a black box and disappeared |
| 21:38.43 | bz19 | no |
| 21:38.46 | bz19 | ... |
| 21:38.52 | JeffM2501 | ok, your not realy listening are you? |
| 21:39.04 | donny_baker | jefm2501: that would be affermative |
| 21:39.15 | JeffM2501 | and he's done |
| 21:39.47 | *** join/#bzflag bz19 (n=45360bfd@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:39.59 | JeffM2501 | ok, read this |
| 21:40.00 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 21:40.05 | JeffM2501 | if you have questions after that |
| 21:40.06 | bz19 | i put my world file in the same folder as bzfs |
| 21:40.10 | JeffM2501 | get a real IRC client and come back |
| 21:40.18 | bz19 | i have a real ine! |
| 21:40.21 | JeffM2501 | we can't do this disconect and you not reading what we tell you do do |
| 21:40.22 | bz19 | *one! |
| 21:40.27 | JeffM2501 | then use it |
| 21:40.30 | JeffM2501 | freenode.net |
| 21:40.40 | JeffM2501 | #bzflag |
| 21:40.47 | JeffM2501 | this disconect thing isn't working |
| 21:41.38 | bz19 | it wants me to get on a channel |
| 21:41.45 | brad | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.49 | JeffM2501 | then do it |
| 21:42.28 | bz19 | how! |
| 21:42.42 | JeffM2501 | type /join #bzflag |
| 21:42.52 | JeffM2501 | not everything in the world is clicked by a mouse |
| 21:42.56 | brad | read http://irchelp.org |
| 21:43.22 | bz19 | im in this room on my client, but no one is there |
| 21:43.27 | JeffM2501 | what server? |
| 21:43.33 | bz19 | #bzflag |
| 21:43.37 | JeffM2501 | that is a channel |
| 21:43.39 | JeffM2501 | not a server |
| 21:43.42 | donny_baker | that is the channell.. not the server |
| 21:43.44 | JeffM2501 | what IRC client do you have? |
| 21:43.48 | bz19 | mIRC |
| 21:43.55 | JeffM2501 | what server did you join? |
| 21:44.08 | brad | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.09 | JeffM2501 | when you first started mIRC up |
| 21:44.18 | JeffM2501 | or type that :) |
| 21:45.11 | bz19 | ok brb |
| 21:45.14 | *** part/#bzflag bz19 (n=45360bfd@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:46.02 | *** join/#bzflag bz20 (n=unknown@hunt1-dhcp-253.greenmountainaccess.net) |
| 21:46.19 | bz20 | im here |
| 21:46.27 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 21:46.30 | bz20 | except as a different name |
| 21:46.33 | JeffM2501 | we get that |
| 21:46.39 | bz20 | k |
| 21:46.42 | JeffM2501 | now, where is your bzfs.exe? |
| 21:47.00 | bz20 | Documents and Settings |
| 21:47.07 | JeffM2501 | and where is your config file? |
| 21:47.27 | bz20 | the world data thing? same folder |
| 21:47.31 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:47.34 | JeffM2501 | the config file |
| 21:47.36 | JeffM2501 | not the map |
| 21:47.39 | bz20 | oh |
| 21:47.50 | JeffM2501 | the config file that all all your server options |
| 21:47.56 | JeffM2501 | number of shots, and the like |
| 21:48.11 | bz20 | i just put it in the sae folder |
| 21:48.14 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:48.17 | JeffM2501 | that makes it easy |
| 21:48.21 | JeffM2501 | ok go to the start menu |
| 21:48.23 | JeffM2501 | hit run |
| 21:48.24 | bz20 | k |
| 21:48.27 | JeffM2501 | type in cmd |
| 21:48.29 | JeffM2501 | hit enter |
| 21:48.34 | bz20 | k |
| 21:48.37 | JeffM2501 | that will bring up a black terminal |
| 21:48.37 | JeffM2501 | right? |
| 21:48.40 | bz20 | yep |
| 21:49.03 | JeffM2501 | in there type cd and then the path to the folder bzfs.exe is in |
| 21:49.08 | JeffM2501 | in quotes |
| 21:49.18 | JeffM2501 | without the bzfs.exe part |
| 21:49.20 | bz20 | do i type bzfs.exe too? |
| 21:50.53 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:50.53 | bz20 | ok |
| 21:50.53 | JeffM2501 | then hit enter |
| 21:50.53 | bz20 | ok |
| 21:50.53 | bz20 | one second |
| 21:51.11 | bz20 | it says it cant find the path |
| 21:51.22 | JeffM2501 | did you put the path in quotes? |
| 21:51.30 | JeffM2501 | and spell it exactly correct? |
| 21:51.36 | bz20 | hold on |
| 21:52.13 | bz20 | it has part of the path already there, that i cant erase |
| 21:52.14 | *** join/#bzflag L4m3r (i=l4m3r@about/essy/warning/L4m3r) |
| 21:52.24 | JeffM2501 | then just do a cd to the rest of it |
| 21:52.29 | JeffM2501 | you didn't do the first part in quotes |
| 21:52.30 | bz20 | tried it |
| 21:52.47 | bz20 | path not found |
| 21:52.53 | JeffM2501 | then the path does not exist |
| 21:52.59 | JeffM2501 | or you are entering it incorrectly |
| 21:53.04 | JeffM2501 | this is basic computer usage here |
| 21:53.25 | JeffM2501 | you may want to learn more about how to use your computer before you atempt to run a server |
| 21:53.43 | JeffM2501 | if you want your server public there are security concerns as well |
| 21:53.53 | bz20 | hold your horses |
| 21:54.06 | bz20 | im typing in the exact path |
| 21:54.36 | JeffM2501 | computers don't lie, ether it's not a full abosolute path, with a drive letter, or the path does not exist |
| 21:54.46 | bz20 | it already has in the cmd "C:\Documents and Settings\Preferred Customer" |
| 21:54.49 | JeffM2501 | if the path has spaces it must be in quotes "sutuff here" |
| 21:55.11 | JeffM2501 | and what is the rest of the path? |
| 21:55.13 | JeffM2501 | that you need to get to? |
| 21:55.25 | Gnurdux | i know... he didnt type cd |
| 21:55.32 | JeffM2501 | probably not |
| 21:55.35 | *** join/#bzflag Tropican8 (i=user@c-69-137-19-228.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 21:55.35 | bz20 | \Desktop\pap\BZFlag2.0.4 |
| 21:55.47 | Gnurdux | bz20, you have to type cd before the path |
| 21:56.01 | JeffM2501 | then you type cd desktop\pap\bzflag2.0.4 |
| 21:56.06 | bz20 | k |
| 21:56.37 | bz20 | it found it |
| 21:56.42 | bz20 | now what |
| 21:56.42 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 21:56.54 | JeffM2501 | then just type bzfs -conf and then the name of the config file you made |
| 21:57.03 | bz20 | k |
| 21:57.23 | JeffM2501 | are you making this server public? |
| 21:57.29 | JeffM2501 | or just for testing on your local PC? |
| 21:57.44 | *** part/#bzflag Tropican8 (i=user@c-69-137-19-228.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 21:57.59 | bz20 | ok, did it, and it came up with a whole bunch of stuff |
| 21:58.06 | JeffM2501 | what does the "stuff" say? |
| 21:58.18 | JeffM2501 | does the first part of it say that some option is invalid? |
| 21:58.27 | JeffM2501 | you probably have an error in your config |
| 21:58.38 | bz20 | it looks almost like the stuff from the config file |
| 21:58.47 | JeffM2501 | that is the usage |
| 21:58.48 | bz20 | and it doesn't say i have an error |
| 21:58.54 | JeffM2501 | scroll up |
| 21:59.19 | bz20 | it says a bad argument in "-autoteam" |
| 21:59.25 | JeffM2501 | then that is an error |
| 21:59.35 | JeffM2501 | autoteam wasn't done in 2.0.4 if I recall |
| 21:59.42 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.4 is rather old |
| 21:59.46 | brad | it is -autoTeam |
| 21:59.54 | JeffM2501 | ahh there ya go |
| 21:59.54 | brad | case matters for that option.. dunno why |
| 21:59.57 | *** join/#bzflag Tropican8 (i=user@c-69-137-19-228.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 22:00.05 | JeffM2501 | case maters for all command line options |
| 22:00.15 | bz20 | should i just put a # sign in front of the option on my config file? |
| 22:00.25 | JeffM2501 | or fix the t to a T |
| 22:00.40 | JeffM2501 | but really, are you making this a public server? |
| 22:00.47 | bz20 | yes |
| 22:00.49 | JeffM2501 | cus if you are, then there is probably more you have to do |
| 22:00.58 | JeffM2501 | are you behind a router or firewall? |
| 22:00.58 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (bzflag.cxx bzflag.h): Handling of mouse buttons reinserted |
| 22:01.15 | bz20 | and i just added the # sign in front of the "-autoteam" option |
| 22:01.19 | JeffM2501 | are you behind a router or firewall? |
| 22:01.26 | bz20 | no |
| 22:01.40 | JeffM2501 | your computer is on the raw internet with no proection? |
| 22:01.48 | JeffM2501 | that is very dangerous for a windows machine |
| 22:01.52 | bz20 | no, i have norton and stuff |
| 22:01.58 | bz20 | and windows security |
| 22:01.59 | JeffM2501 | then that would be a firewall |
| 22:02.01 | donny_baker | bz20: still dangerous |
| 22:02.02 | bz20 | oh |
| 22:02.09 | JeffM2501 | and yes, still very dangerous |
| 22:02.26 | JeffM2501 | you have to tell your firewalls and security to let data in from the outside of the internet into bzfs |
| 22:02.34 | bz20 | ok |
| 22:02.35 | bz20 | how |
| 22:02.36 | JeffM2501 | otherwise your firewalls will just block those users |
| 22:02.41 | JeffM2501 | that all depends on your firewall setup |
| 22:02.50 | bz20 | oh, just did it |
| 22:02.50 | JeffM2501 | and your specific software and hardware |
| 22:02.58 | JeffM2501 | riiiggghhhttt |
| 22:03.16 | *** part/#bzflag Tropican8 (i=user@c-69-137-19-228.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 22:03.23 | bz20 | i just had to go to the options of my software, and the firewall option was there |
| 22:03.23 | JeffM2501 | but ok if you did it, you did it. then there ya go |
| 22:03.47 | bz20 | what now |
| 22:03.51 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 22:03.52 | JeffM2501 | your done |
| 22:03.54 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 22:04.11 | brad | ~bzfquery hunt1-dhcp-253.greenmountainaccess.net |
| 22:04.42 | JeffM2501 | comeon brad, he said he "did it", don't you belive him? |
| 22:04.59 | brad | heh |
| 22:05.28 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm beting that nice proxy he was behind that kept bumping him on webIRC will do most of the trick |
| 22:05.56 | menotume | and tthe router ? |
| 22:06.14 | JeffM2501 | and the parental controll software |
| 22:06.17 | brad | lol |
| 22:06.19 | menotume | rofl |
| 22:06.35 | donny_baker | menotume: he doesn't have one ;) |
| 22:06.44 | brad | he says he doesn't have one |
| 22:06.52 | bz20 | i just checked it again, it didn't come up with any errors |
| 22:07.11 | JeffM2501 | there ya go then bz20 you've started a server, have fun with it |
| 22:07.29 | bz20 | do i have to still do that bzfquery thing? |
| 22:07.31 | JeffM2501 | menotume, comeon, you doubt his ISP, yesterday it stoped over 1000 'viruses' |
| 22:08.26 | menotume | but, but .. why isn't it on the list !? |
| 22:09.04 | brad | shhh meno |
| 22:09.36 | JeffM2501 | oh we won't be doing those hre |
| 22:09.37 | JeffM2501 | here |
| 22:10.09 | JeffM2501 | if someone wants to do it in /msg then by all means, otherwise he can look up the info himself |
| 22:11.49 | bz20 | ~bzfquery boozaboo.booz.org:5154 |
| 22:12.41 | brad | bz20: /msg the bot |
| 22:12.52 | bz20 | msg it what? |
| 22:12.58 | JeffM2501 | that query |
| 22:13.02 | Gnurdux | bz20, just curious, 2 questions: 1: have you forwarded the port... 2: do you know what it means? |
| 22:13.09 | Gnurdux | *what that means |
| 22:13.15 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, didn't you see he "did it" |
| 22:13.30 | JeffM2501 | and he dosn't have a router |
| 22:13.30 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 22:13.56 | bz20 | i messaged it what now |
| 22:14.10 | JeffM2501 | wait for it to time out |
| 22:14.10 | JeffM2501 | cus it ain't gonna work |
| 22:14.24 | bz20 | so i wait.. |
| 22:14.27 | Gnurdux | bz20, your computer is hooked right up to your modem? |
| 22:14.31 | bz20 | yep |
| 22:14.36 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, can you take it up in /msg with im |
| 22:14.44 | JeffM2501 | we don't need to see the strugle anymore |
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| 22:14.59 | JeffM2501 | the modem is probably also a router, most are |
| 22:17.29 | bz20 | i cant find it on the public list |
| 22:17.35 | JeffM2501 | no you won't |
| 22:17.40 | JeffM2501 | it's being blocked |
| 22:17.54 | JeffM2501 | as we suspeced and tried to tell you but you said you "did it" |
| 22:19.28 | Gnurdux | hes not even pingable |
| 22:19.44 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 22:21.33 | L4m3r | sorry to interrupt, JeffM2501, I have a quick API question |
| 22:22.03 | L4m3r | if I use the APIs set functions, can I use different types? |
| 22:22.18 | L4m3r | say, can I use the string set to set _tankSpeed to "50"? |
| 22:22.26 | JeffM2501 | yay API question :) |
| 22:22.31 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 22:22.42 | JeffM2501 | it just calls the internal one :) |
| 22:22.49 | L4m3r | it will convert the string to a number? sweet, thx |
| 22:22.56 | Gnurdux | its just like /set |
| 22:23.04 | JeffM2501 | all BZDB vars are stored as strings |
| 22:23.06 | L4m3r | yeah, that's what I wanted to know |
| 22:23.12 | Gnurdux | my whole theming plugin depends on that |
| 22:23.20 | JeffM2501 | it's up to the person who uses them to convert them numbers |
| 22:23.29 | L4m3r | I wasn't sure if those functions were just convenient, or necessary :P |
| 22:23.38 | JeffM2501 | the API calls that take number just sprinf them into a string and call set |
| 22:23.43 | L4m3r | lol |
| 22:24.04 | L4m3r | heh, so it's actually more work to do the conversion... |
| 22:24.32 | L4m3r | ah, good, that bzfscron mod will be easy |
| 22:25.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah I just added them so plugins could pass in the results of computations easy |
| 22:26.20 | JeffM2501 | and maybe in the future we'll change the storage of bzdb, if we do the plugins won't have to care. |
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| 22:42.07 | devilgirl | hi |
| 22:42.32 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 22:42.50 | devilgirl | i just discovered |
| 22:42.55 | devilgirl | this |
| 22:43.40 | brad | did |
| 22:43.41 | brad | you |
| 22:43.41 | brad | ? |
| 22:43.58 | JeffM2501 | apache is still crashing |
| 22:43.59 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 22:44.49 | brad | how often? |
| 22:44.57 | brad | is it still a problem with php and mail? |
| 22:45.02 | JeffM2501 | dunno |
| 22:45.08 | JeffM2501 | it's just my guess |
| 22:45.19 | JeffM2501 | could be one reason the web IRC keeps bootin people |
| 22:45.34 | brad | yeah.. |
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| 22:46.21 | brlcad | woot, erik rocks |
| 22:46.28 | brlcad | web server should be fixed now |
| 22:46.32 | JeffM2501 | what was the problem? |
| 22:46.43 | brlcad | stuff was upgraded |
| 22:46.49 | JeffM2501 | but not all stuff? |
| 22:47.11 | spldart | Glad to hear that Tim, who was worried about making things worse, didn't :) |
| 22:47.53 | brlcad | that's what started the problem .. erik (another admin) must have somehow upgraded apache's libapxs module loading library, which tim noticed |
| 22:48.39 | brlcad | that caused crashies, so tim upgraded httpd, that also caused crashies, erik then debugged apache and php most of today and still got crashies |
| 22:48.56 | brlcad | so then he just reverted apache and php back to what they were |
| 22:49.12 | brlcad | (and the lib) |
| 22:49.28 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 22:49.31 | brlcad | which was rather cool that he could actually revert so cleanly |
| 22:51.13 | JeffM2501 | nice |
| 22:51.26 | brlcad | there is a way to get the upgrade to work, but apache2 requires some hand-tweaking that I usually do.. neither tim/erik were apparently putting in the right juice to keep apache2+mod_php5 happy and crashfree |
| 22:52.01 | JeffM2501 | just means you'll have to swap to IIS and ASP ;) |
| 22:52.18 | brad | yay! |
| 22:52.33 | JeffM2501 | bzflag.bz exchange services for everyone |
| 22:52.58 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:53.18 | brlcad | this crash issue is fairly specific to php5 |
| 22:53.26 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:53.26 | brlcad | and freebsd 5.2.1 |
| 22:53.30 | JeffM2501 | well good that it got working |
| 22:53.44 | brlcad | they have some bug in their code that crashes apache if compiled with certain options |
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| 22:54.18 | brlcad | sort of like our 64bit bug, but involving pipes, threads, dynamic library loading, and a picky OS |
| 22:54.38 | JeffM2501 | is bsd a picky OS? |
| 22:54.57 | purple_cow | every OS is picky |
| 22:55.13 | ruskie | bsd is extra picky |
| 22:55.26 | ruskie | it didn't even want to boot on a box linux booted and was happy with |
| 22:55.29 | JeffM2501 | even microsoft BOB, purple_cow ? |
| 22:55.59 | purple_cow | yes |
| 22:56.02 | purple_cow | he's an asshole |
| 22:56.44 | brlcad | JeffM2501: freebsd 5.2 is more picky than the more current crop, less forgiving |
| 22:58.54 | JeffM2501 | server 2003 and IIS, I tell ya man.... ;) |
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| 23:24.37 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I managed a couple of those back during uni days.. never again... |
| 23:24.45 | JeffM2501 | heh\ |
| 23:25.12 | JeffM2501 | I can understand that |
| 23:30.03 | spldart | Yah know... it's funnny to see human behavior play out on a busy map sometimes :-D |
| 23:30.23 | spldart | WooHoo! MC parts is good |
| 23:30.33 | spldart | Chaparal catalog? |
| 23:30.42 | JeffM2501 | ridegear.com |
| 23:30.46 | spldart | ah |
| 23:30.57 | JeffM2501 | signifigantly cheaper then dealer |
| 23:31.14 | spldart | I need brake pads and drive belt for my bike |
| 23:31.55 | JeffM2501 | needed a windshield and left mirror |
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| 23:49.45 | xlaurenx131 | hi |
| 23:51.00 | xlaurenx131 | i need help |
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| 23:58.18 | xlaurenx131 | a little help |