| 00:01.14 | WAILZ | do i have to join the server, on mirc |
| 00:01.18 | randomparticle | hmm.. suppose i have two graphics cards in one machine. when and how does the second one get used? |
| 00:01.25 | randomparticle | not talking about SLI etc here |
| 00:01.58 | CBG | WAILZ: just go to the server list, select one and hit Connect |
| 00:02.21 | WAILZ | in the game |
| 00:02.25 | WAILZ | or on mirc |
| 00:02.33 | WAILZ | csause i am going to the server list in the game |
| 00:02.39 | WAILZ | and i hit start server |
| 00:03.00 | CBG | forget mirc.... |
| 00:03.04 | CBG | mirc is an irc client. |
| 00:03.10 | WAILZ | right |
| 00:03.17 | WAILZ | i think |
| 00:03.20 | WAILZ | i see what u mean |
| 00:03.23 | CBG | "Start Server" starts a server on your own machine. |
| 00:03.31 | CBG | You probably do not want that... |
| 00:03.48 | CBG | hit "Connect" instead of "Start Server"... |
| 00:04.11 | *** join/#bzflag view (n=view@c-69-249-178-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 00:04.33 | WAILZ | ok |
| 00:04.37 | WAILZ | im in |
| 00:04.40 | WAILZ | thanks cbg |
| 00:04.47 | WAILZ | people r shooting me |
| 00:04.49 | WAILZ | llol |
| 00:04.59 | randomparticle | yeah, they do that. shoot back :) |
| 00:06.36 | WAILZ | i am |
| 00:08.35 | WAILZ | alrighty |
| 00:08.36 | WAILZ | brb |
| 00:16.50 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker) |
| 00:16.51 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 00:18.33 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 00:18.33 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 00:20.11 | *** part/#bzflag randomparticle (n=randompa@about/essy/snick/randomparticle) |
| 00:20.51 | *** join/#bzflag philbrick0340 (n=ccd248c3@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 00:21.24 | philbrick0340 | hey does anyone here know what haooen to in-league two tanks? |
| 00:21.36 | philbrick0340 | happen* |
| 00:21.58 | view | it should still be up |
| 00:22.06 | philbrick0340 | hmm |
| 00:22.24 | brad | what port? |
| 00:22.26 | brad | 5156? |
| 00:22.37 | brad | ~bzfquery in-league.bzflag.eu:5156 |
| 00:22.37 | philbrick0340 | nope its gone |
| 00:22.44 | philbrick0340 | yeah |
| 00:22.49 | brad | it's up :P |
| 00:22.56 | brad | ibot never lies! |
| 00:23.02 | philbrick0340 | hahah i cant find it |
| 00:23.11 | brad | ~bzflist |
| 00:23.21 | brad | look at the top of the list? |
| 00:23.29 | philbrick0340 | yeah |
| 00:23.35 | philbrick0340 | i searched for i too |
| 00:23.36 | spldart | Isn't that the one that died unexpectedly yesterday? |
| 00:24.13 | philbrick0340 | did it!? |
| 00:24.31 | brad | I can see it in the list and connect fine |
| 00:24.40 | brad | try typing the address in manually |
| 00:25.02 | philbrick0340 | alright |
| 00:25.40 | philbrick0340 | whats the adress |
| 00:25.48 | brad | in-league.bzflag.eu:5156 |
| 00:27.07 | philbrick0340 | ehh nooo, hahah sorry i was looking for two tanks |
| 00:27.20 | philbrick0340 | not missle war |
| 00:28.59 | philbrick0340 | hello? |
| 00:29.27 | brad | 5154 then? |
| 00:29.37 | philbrick0340 | just tried it, didnt work |
| 00:31.53 | brad | ~bzfquery in-league.bzflag.eu |
| 00:32.02 | brad | :( |
| 00:32.15 | philbrick0340 | did somehting hapen to it? |
| 00:33.18 | brad | it exploded |
| 00:33.34 | philbrick0340 | hmmm, will it be back? |
| 00:33.55 | brad | when 1st wakes up I presume ;) |
| 00:34.01 | brad | you could try asking him on bzbb |
| 00:34.04 | brad | send him a PM |
| 00:34.24 | brad | that server seems to die a lot |
| 00:34.37 | philbrick0340 | hahah alright |
| 00:34.44 | philbrick0340 | 1st consul? |
| 00:34.53 | brad | yep |
| 00:35.02 | philbrick0340 | alright thanks for you help |
| 00:35.07 | brad | np |
| 00:35.10 | philbrick0340 | c ya |
| 00:35.14 | brad | cu.. |
| 00:46.53 | *** join/#bzflag bz38 (n=586f2ed5@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 00:56.05 | *** join/#bzflag AAA_awright (n=chatzill@wsip-68-14-251-102.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 00:56.44 | JeffM2501 | and that is? |
| 00:56.56 | AAA_awright | We currently have the web authentactation... http://my.bzflag.org/webchecksomthing.php |
| 00:57.03 | JBdiGriz | That's why it will never be implemented. |
| 00:57.06 | AAA_awright | Why not make it OpenID compatible! |
| 00:57.39 | AAA_awright | :) |
| 00:59.58 | AAA_awright | http://my.bzflag.org/weblogin.php . It wouldn't be too hard to give everyone an OpenID url like http://my.bzflag.org/users/AAA for example. You can continue to use the token interface, or sites can append "http://my.bzflag.org/users/" to the beginning of the supplied callsign and use OpenID protocol... |
| 01:00.31 | TimRiker | is there anything else that we care about that could share openids? |
| 01:00.50 | AAA_awright | (append... to the beginning... heh) |
| 01:00.53 | AAA_awright | um... |
| 01:01.11 | JBdiGriz | the city of Portland? |
| 01:01.17 | TimRiker | and if you know the player in game as "Tim Riker" what's to stop some other openid site from allowing a user "Tim Riker" which would then show up in game as a valid logged in user? |
| 01:01.40 | TimRiker | do you really want to see player names as bzflag.org/Tim Riker instead? |
| 01:02.16 | AAA_awright | the ID needs to be a valid URL, if you want that, we could setup a users.bzflag.org/callsign VHOST... |
| 01:02.24 | TimRiker | since I expect 99.9% of the users would be bzflag.org/ folks. |
| 01:03.23 | AAA_awright | You wouldn't log in with the Open ID, but we could use the protocol inside bzflag, and outside bzflag, you would use the bzflag.org url |
| 01:03.31 | TimRiker | a URL MUST include a protocol. |
| 01:03.50 | JeffM2501 | what the heck is openID? |
| 01:03.52 | JBdiGriz | Do most people care about the full callsign? I suspect that displaying the callsign would be sufficient unless someone really wants to see the entire URL. |
| 01:04.04 | TimRiker | http://openid.net/ |
| 01:04.11 | AAA_awright | ^ ditto |
| 01:04.21 | JeffM2501 | what woudl it buy us? |
| 01:04.41 | AAA_awright | In terms of the BZFlag client and server, nothing. |
| 01:04.47 | TimRiker | JBdiGriz: then bzflag.org/Tim Riker and hacksite.example.com/Tim Riker are the same "player". |
| 01:04.52 | JeffM2501 | in terms of other webistes that want to use our auth? |
| 01:05.25 | AAA_awright | exactly. I am just thinking a slightly different form of implementing weblogin.pho |
| 01:05.34 | JeffM2501 | is it better? or just difrent? |
| 01:05.36 | TimRiker | might be interesting for league sites and blog sites to be able to use bz logins. |
| 01:05.40 | JBdiGriz | TimRiker: until the admins/other players wonder about that player, and ask for the full URL. |
| 01:05.43 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, they do that now |
| 01:06.10 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: agreed, but something like this proposes doing it to a wider audience. |
| 01:06.26 | JeffM2501 | so that's the reason, it's a better standard that more stuff supports? |
| 01:06.33 | JeffM2501 | if so, that's a valid reason. |
| 01:06.37 | TimRiker | be interesting to see if there are any phpbb patches to do similar credential sharing. |
| 01:06.50 | JeffM2501 | auth is going to be a module in phpbb3 |
| 01:06.54 | JeffM2501 | so we can move it wherever |
| 01:07.07 | TimRiker | I'm not at all convinced that openid is supported anywhere we care about. |
| 01:07.19 | JeffM2501 | but is it a better standard? |
| 01:07.26 | JeffM2501 | our current method is rather weak |
| 01:07.38 | JBdiGriz | That's probably true, but does it handle a number of issues that we would rather not think about? |
| 01:07.42 | TimRiker | If we find a standard that is used, then it would be interesting to consider what it would take to get there. |
| 01:08.00 | TimRiker | JBdiGriz: dunno. also a consideration. |
| 01:08.04 | AAA_awright | Generally, OpenID validates that a person owns a URL. e.g. is the same person that you saw use a URL last time. |
| 01:08.13 | JeffM2501 | JBdiGriz, exactly, if it does handle stuff we don't have to solve, it's a better standard |
| 01:08.18 | JeffM2501 | AAA_awright, code it up :) |
| 01:08.26 | TimRiker | hehe. patches welcome. |
| 01:08.41 | JBdiGriz | That's the reason for the question. It's the only reason I could come up with that would make it interesting. |
| 01:08.50 | JeffM2501 | code it up is the new hip version of patches welcome for the 21st century :) |
| 01:09.29 | JeffM2501 | that would at least be a start |
| 01:09.43 | JeffM2501 | bzflag probably started as a proof-of-concept ;) |
| 01:09.45 | TimRiker | */ code it up / code it up / code, code, code it up /* |
| 01:10.03 | JBdiGriz | If you provide a proof-of-concept, there are probably about a half dozen other people who could be convinced to take it farther. |
| 01:10.26 | TimRiker | bzflag did. it started as a proof of concept for the ML graphics library on SGI. |
| 01:11.22 | TimRiker | course it was just "bz" then. |
| 01:11.34 | JeffM2501 | untill the great name conflict |
| 01:11.44 | JeffM2501 | of 92 |
| 01:11.49 | JeffM2501 | or was it before that? |
| 01:12.42 | JBdiGriz | Someone stop them before they start geek-reminiscing again. |
| 01:13.49 | JeffM2501 | well I also want to find an open source sound codec |
| 01:14.01 | JeffM2501 | that a simple little lib ;) |
| 01:14.22 | JeffM2501 | probably should just do ogg |
| 01:14.35 | JBdiGriz | code it up |
| 01:14.48 | AAA_awright | The patch for weblogin.php is larger than the new file there are so many changes... should I upload the new file instead? |
| 01:14.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:15.05 | AAA_awright | This is diffrent than my openID proof... |
| 01:15.13 | JeffM2501 | what did you change in it? |
| 01:15.47 | AAA_awright | I added the ability to send a default callsign, so the user just enters a password, and... |
| 01:15.52 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 01:15.56 | JeffM2501 | that's a good one |
| 01:17.02 | A-Delusion | they tell me grep is my freind... |
| 01:17.17 | JeffM2501 | some people call me a space cowboy..... |
| 01:17.40 | A-Delusion | I need to remove 540 instances of this... three carriage returns then one word, end |
| 01:18.11 | A-Delusion | [/r/r/r/end] that aint it. |
| 01:19.06 | *** join/#bzflag Quol (n=Quol@modemcable177.75-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 01:21.35 | AAA_awright | Oh, I replaced all frontend instances of username with callsign. Just to keep things constant. |
| 01:21.51 | AAA_awright | I hope that the same thing will be done to our forums. |
| 01:23.07 | JeffM2501 | ahh cool |
| 01:29.02 | shorty114 | sooo... is BZFlag universal yet? ^.^ |
| 01:29.11 | A-Delusion | it is for me |
| 01:29.20 | A-Delusion | not officially |
| 01:29.40 | shorty114 | :'( |
| 01:29.41 | JeffM2501 | we have not built an offical bin for it, but shoudl be making them for 2.2 |
| 01:29.50 | shorty114 | okay |
| 01:29.53 | JeffM2501 | that is the release we plan on doing universals for |
| 01:30.00 | shorty114 | i'll just build it then |
| 01:30.52 | JeffM2501 | there are intel builds on the fourms |
| 01:31.40 | shorty114 | do they show shots in the radar? ;) |
| 01:32.07 | JeffM2501 | why wouldn't they? |
| 01:32.19 | shorty114 | well last time i tried an intel build it didn't show shots in the radar |
| 01:32.31 | JeffM2501 | a compile option should not change that |
| 01:33.07 | JeffM2501 | unless somone built them from moded code, if they did that's not cool |
| 01:33.13 | JeffM2501 | but yeah build your own, shoudl be cake. |
| 01:34.56 | shorty114 | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@bzflag.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag -r v2_0branch |
| 01:34.58 | shorty114 | is that right? |
| 01:35.05 | shorty114 | err co bzflag at the end |
| 01:36.11 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:36.30 | shorty114 | i'll check the sourceforge docs |
| 01:36.31 | JeffM2501 | the -r goes after the co |
| 01:36.33 | JeffM2501 | before the bzflag |
| 01:36.43 | JeffM2501 | and you need the login command first |
| 01:37.14 | shorty114 | thanks |
| 01:41.35 | shorty114 | bzflag.org needs a real wiki |
| 01:41.47 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl be geting one soon |
| 01:42.01 | shorty114 | what backend are you planning on using? |
| 01:42.06 | shorty114 | i like mediawiki personally |
| 01:42.21 | JeffM2501 | that one |
| 01:42.28 | JeffM2501 | I know not the details |
| 01:45.07 | shorty114 | cool |
| 01:45.10 | shorty114 | looking forward to that :) |
| 01:45.32 | JeffM2501 | as am I |
| 02:03.46 | spldart | Aye.. ...lass |
| 02:14.49 | JeffM2501 | hmm, no grand outcry yet. I bet it'll take a couple hours for them to see :) |
| 02:15.14 | inchworm | uh oh |
| 02:15.16 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (n=dennis@koderen.dk) |
| 02:15.26 | *** join/#bzflag catay_ (n=smertens@kaiya.catay.be) |
| 02:16.02 | *** join/#bzflag brad` (n=brad@brad.bz) |
| 02:16.38 | JeffM2501 | it's not THAT bad |
| 02:17.27 | inchworm | since i have no idea what you did, i'm taking the worst case scenario and am currently preparing for nuclear winter |
| 02:17.39 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:17.51 | JeffM2501 | no, just some rank changes |
| 02:18.10 | inchworm | :) |
| 02:18.19 | shorty114 | JeffM2501: even with my custom built bzflag, there are no shots on the radar |
| 02:18.27 | JeffM2501 | sucks to be you then man |
| 02:18.29 | JeffM2501 | debug it |
| 02:18.37 | JeffM2501 | or make sure you didn't turn them off or something |
| 02:18.54 | brad` | try deleting your config file |
| 02:19.01 | brad` | might be something messed up in there |
| 02:20.00 | JeffM2501 | the ranks based on posting have been consolodated down "a bit" |
| 02:21.10 | AAA_awright | weblogin.php wubmitted to bzflag's patch tracker |
| 02:21.37 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 02:31.14 | *** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 02:33.24 | DTRemenak | heh, a bit :) |
| 02:34.00 | JeffM2501 | only a 766% reduction :) |
| 02:34.09 | JeffM2501 | you did get a new rank tho |
| 02:34.22 | DTRemenak | oh? |
| 02:34.32 | JeffM2501 | I taged all the admins |
| 02:34.39 | JeffM2501 | admin > dev |
| 02:34.44 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 02:34.58 | JeffM2501 | dev ranks didn't change |
| 02:36.33 | [dmp] | AAA_awright: Is this a typo? "form is submitted with GET and not POST (thus the password is not cached in the browser, for security)" .. (GET is cached/stored in history, POST is not) |
| 02:37.27 | ViciousMuffin | reset the ranks did we not :-) |
| 02:37.42 | JeffM2501 | reset, no |
| 02:37.44 | JeffM2501 | change, yes |
| 02:37.52 | ViciousMuffin | ah |
| 02:38.04 | JeffM2501 | they are techincaly still based on post count |
| 02:38.16 | JeffM2501 | the limits and number of ranks have changed. |
| 02:38.25 | ViciousMuffin | good, it will help to get rid of the people just trying to get high rankings... |
| 02:38.31 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 02:45.52 | *** join/#bzflag BZTANKMAN (n=40bfcf47@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 02:46.06 | BZTANKMAN | HI |
| 02:46.24 | blast007 | HELLO |
| 02:46.26 | BZTANKMAN | I WAS TOLD TO INSTALL THE LINUX TO MAKE BZFLAG BETTER IS THIS OK? |
| 02:46.35 | blast007 | NEGATIVE |
| 02:46.54 | JeffM2501 | wow, please stop the all caps man |
| 02:46.55 | BZTANKMAN | THEY SAY TO INSTALL THE LINUX WILL MAKE PC 25X THE FASTER AND MAKE GRAPHICS BETTER |
| 02:47.01 | blast007 | well they lie |
| 02:47.02 | JeffM2501 | the OS dosn't affect much |
| 02:47.22 | BZTANKMAN | OH WELL I TRY TO INSTALL HERE ON LAPTOP AND NOW IT WONT BOOT EITHER |
| 02:47.25 | blast007 | linux might actually make the graphics _slower_ depending on the quality (or availability) of suitable drivers |
| 02:47.48 | JeffM2501 | you should contact the support people for the linux distrobution you installed |
| 02:47.57 | JeffM2501 | and tell them your caps lock key is broken. |
| 02:47.58 | BZTANKMAN | WE PLAY THE BZFLAG AT UNIVERSITY AND IS FUN BUT I NEED FASTER TO MAKE THE OS |
| 02:48.06 | JeffM2501 | the OS will not do it |
| 02:48.12 | JeffM2501 | it's the hardware or drivers. |
| 02:48.13 | blast007 | linux isn't necessarily faster |
| 02:48.32 | JeffM2501 | with proper drivers on windows and linux, they are about the same speed for playing. |
| 02:48.36 | BZTANKMAN | OH SO THEY ARE THE LIARS, IS GOOD to KNOW |
| 02:48.45 | JeffM2501 | hey look, your shift key does work |
| 02:48.47 | BZTANKMAN | ok i fixed the caps |
| 02:48.51 | JeffM2501 | there ya go skip :) |
| 02:48.53 | DTRemenak | woohoo |
| 02:48.55 | BZTANKMAN | is press button now |
| 02:48.56 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:49.01 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure you do. |
| 02:49.16 | JeffM2501 | linux is generaly better as an OS for bzflag servers |
| 02:49.19 | BZTANKMAN | so bzflag is best for windows? |
| 02:49.24 | JeffM2501 | for clients, it's not that big of a dif |
| 02:49.29 | JeffM2501 | it's not a "best" or "worst" thing |
| 02:49.33 | blast007 | BZTANKMAN: no, windows is probably best for you though |
| 02:49.33 | JeffM2501 | it's just what you know and run |
| 02:49.39 | DTRemenak | bzflag runs equally well (or poorly) regardless of the OS |
| 02:49.39 | BZTANKMAN | if my graphix is not so good what to make better |
| 02:49.43 | JeffM2501 | windows is probably easyer for you to configure. |
| 02:49.47 | blast007 | linux isn't as intuitive |
| 02:49.49 | JeffM2501 | BZTANKMAN, nothing |
| 02:49.51 | DTRemenak | you need the right video drivers |
| 02:49.54 | blast007 | takes a little more setup in some cases |
| 02:49.57 | JeffM2501 | if your graphics suck, then your graphics suck |
| 02:50.02 | blast007 | and it's not as "clicky" as windows |
| 02:50.02 | JeffM2501 | what video card do you have? |
| 02:50.11 | BZTANKMAN | oh but i pay almost $25 for video card |
| 02:50.15 | JeffM2501 | what card? |
| 02:50.16 | BZTANKMAN | is ati 128 pro |
| 02:50.17 | blast007 | heh.. |
| 02:50.19 | blast007 | ewww |
| 02:50.21 | JeffM2501 | that is a sucky old card |
| 02:50.24 | BZTANKMAN | was very expensive here |
| 02:50.25 | JeffM2501 | not much will make that fast |
| 02:50.34 | blast007 | $25 != expensive |
| 02:50.36 | JeffM2501 | that card is like 9-10 years old |
| 02:50.41 | BZTANKMAN | is very expensive to poland |
| 02:50.52 | JeffM2501 | you can get a geForce FX 5200 for $35 |
| 02:50.55 | JeffM2501 | you got ripped off |
| 02:50.58 | BZTANKMAN | i not make the american moneies |
| 02:51.07 | JeffM2501 | you still got ripped off |
| 02:51.10 | blast007 | that card isn't even worth $10 |
| 02:51.23 | BZTANKMAN | they steal to me for $25? |
| 02:51.26 | JeffM2501 | the card isn't worth the fiberglass it's on |
| 02:51.33 | blast007 | I paid $12 for a RIVA TNT2 |
| 02:51.33 | JeffM2501 | basicly yes they did |
| 02:51.41 | BZTANKMAN | i have my brother shoot them in face for this |
| 02:51.47 | blast007 | just to get an old machine running for my work |
| 02:51.49 | BZTANKMAN | this is very dishonest thing |
| 02:52.11 | JeffM2501 | blast007, can you convert his IP please? |
| 02:52.11 | blast007 | shooting probably wouldn't be the first thing I would do |
| 02:52.20 | blast007 | sure |
| 02:52.22 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 02:52.29 | BZTANKMAN | ok what why blast007 |
| 02:52.29 | JeffM2501 | you had a tool to do it right? |
| 02:52.45 | AAA_awright | [dmp] yes, typo, didn't see that |
| 02:53.14 | BZTANKMAN | so i get rivAt TNT2 instead of these? |
| 02:53.26 | [dmp] | AAA_awright: as long as the code is correct, who cares about comments :-) |
| 02:53.28 | JeffM2501 | no, get a geforce, or a radeon |
| 02:53.31 | JeffM2501 | a modern card |
| 02:53.39 | AAA_awright | :) |
| 02:53.43 | BZTANKMAN | is cheap? |
| 02:53.48 | JeffM2501 | some are yeah |
| 02:54.01 | JeffM2501 | do the research, learn a bit about computers in the process. |
| 02:54.38 | BZTANKMAN | well i only students so this first time with computer |
| 02:54.56 | blast007 | yeah, I got the TNT2 just for a workstation machine, not for games ;) |
| 02:54.59 | JeffM2501 | then it's a good time to learn |
| 02:55.07 | JeffM2501 | students are all about learning :) |
| 02:55.42 | BZTANKMAN | is very the expensives sometimes costs more than whole years of work back home |
| 02:58.12 | BZTANKMAN | is you make other good games for computer? |
| 02:58.24 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 02:59.18 | BZTANKMAN | what best server to plays with? sometimes i find is broken and i cant jumps or get flags on them |
| 02:59.37 | JeffM2501 | find one close to you |
| 02:59.45 | JeffM2501 | there are a number of them in the los angeles area |
| 03:00.24 | BZTANKMAN | i goes to schools in los angeles |
| 03:00.40 | BZTANKMAN | but sometimes i get to play and cannot get flags |
| 03:00.44 | BZTANKMAN | is not very fun |
| 03:00.58 | JeffM2501 | find one closer to you |
| 03:01.08 | JeffM2501 | you'd think with that nice data center your coming from you'd have lots of bandwith |
| 03:01.34 | JeffM2501 | and cheap cards are easy to find in L.A. unlike polland. |
| 03:01.52 | JeffM2501 | just hit up the Fry's in Mission Hills |
| 03:02.02 | BZTANKMAN | i dont know that place |
| 03:02.14 | DTRemenak | http://local.google.com/ |
| 03:02.24 | BZTANKMAN | plus i not buy computer here do stuffs work from usa in computer |
| 03:02.27 | JeffM2501 | perhaps you should decide where you realy are first ;) |
| 03:02.44 | BZTANKMAN | i is from poland and i goes to school on visas in californias |
| 03:03.01 | BZTANKMAN | but what means where you from in america?? |
| 03:03.15 | JeffM2501 | donw the street from you |
| 03:03.21 | JeffM2501 | down even. |
| 03:03.35 | BZTANKMAN | street is where you from? |
| 03:03.40 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 03:03.42 | JeffM2501 | yes it is |
| 03:04.23 | BZTANKMAN | so i say i from 7th street in america. but if i comes from kryzcielisz streets in poland too |
| 03:04.27 | JeffM2501 | maybe you should also use your schooll's inet connection, not the one that routes thru a data center, and probalby an anonimiser. |
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| 03:05.08 | BZTANKMAN | they no let you connect to internet, have to use from roomate works |
| 03:05.18 | BZTANKMAN | you gets in troubles to use internet at school |
| 03:05.27 | JeffM2501 | doubtufll |
| 03:05.33 | JeffM2501 | but ok, I'll run with that for a bit. |
| 03:05.51 | BZTANKMAN | i play games to school and they tell me to stop |
| 03:06.04 | JeffM2501 | doubtfull |
| 03:06.12 | JeffM2501 | but surely they'd let you use a web page |
| 03:06.33 | BZTANKMAN | yes but many the site says blockedd from web washers |
| 03:06.43 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 03:06.56 | BZTANKMAN | if i tries to open up some games or some site like maxim.com |
| 03:06.58 | BZTANKMAN | is no let me |
| 03:07.12 | JeffM2501 | and they block our web IRC interface? |
| 03:09.07 | BZTANKMAN | dont know sir they told me to commes here when i ask on games server tonight |
| 03:09.14 | BZTANKMAN | to ask experts with questions |
| 03:09.35 | JeffM2501 | who told you to install linux? |
| 03:09.48 | BZTANKMAN | peoples on server called rabbit chase |
| 03:10.12 | JeffM2501 | got a name? |
| 03:10.16 | JeffM2501 | I'm just curious |
| 03:11.12 | JeffM2501 | but really if you have an ATI rage 128 pro, that is not going to run well under any OS |
| 03:11.28 | JeffM2501 | stop by a fry's and pick up a cheap radeon or geforce |
| 03:11.35 | spldart | ATI128Pro doesn't stand a chance against bzflag |
| 03:11.37 | spldart | I should know |
| 03:11.42 | JeffM2501 | they usualy have some in the 30 to 50 range. |
| 03:11.54 | spldart | I've done some 'mach' moduling of those |
| 03:12.15 | spldart | Xpert, 128Pro, 98Pro etc. |
| 03:12.30 | JeffM2501 | the entire rage line dosn't have T&L, it'll suck |
| 03:12.33 | BZTANKMAN | hi my name is Karol |
| 03:13.12 | JeffM2501 | heck you can get a GF2MX for 18$ |
| 03:14.03 | JeffM2501 | bang for buck I'd recomend the 6200 or the 7100 series |
| 03:14.31 | JeffM2501 | I think they do better then the low end ATI chipsets around the same price |
| 03:14.51 | BZTANKMAN | ok i write these down |
| 03:15.00 | JeffM2501 | if you want to get into the 100$ price range then the x1300's and 1600's become very viable options. |
| 03:15.43 | JeffM2501 | after that you have to start to pick your multi-card camp, or if you want to go multi card. |
| 03:16.00 | DTRemenak | is there a 7100 agp even? |
| 03:16.08 | JeffM2501 | dunno |
| 03:16.16 | JeffM2501 | I was thinking 7100 if you had PCI-E |
| 03:16.23 | DTRemenak | he's using a rage 128 |
| 03:16.25 | JeffM2501 | 6200 if you didn't |
| 03:16.27 | DTRemenak | he's not using pci-e :) |
| 03:16.30 | JeffM2501 | I'm speaking in general |
| 03:16.32 | JeffM2501 | not for him :) |
| 03:16.44 | spldart | How far has my 9800Pro been left behind say the 6200 or 7100 series? |
| 03:16.49 | JeffM2501 | I can't even assume AGP for him :) |
| 03:16.56 | JeffM2501 | spldart, about 2 gens |
| 03:16.59 | spldart | wow |
| 03:17.03 | JeffM2501 | maybe 1 and a half |
| 03:17.09 | JeffM2501 | the 6200 is the low end card |
| 03:17.12 | JeffM2501 | designed to be low end |
| 03:17.16 | spldart | sux to be me |
| 03:17.22 | BZTANKMAN | my card has the PCI slot |
| 03:17.36 | JeffM2501 | well the 6200 will have similar shaders to the x800 series |
| 03:17.38 | spldart | do you have a shorter single slot at the end of pci's |
| 03:17.39 | BZTANKMAN | an i upgrade slot on the card? |
| 03:17.45 | JeffM2501 | the 7100 will be simiar to the x1300 |
| 03:17.58 | JeffM2501 | there are 2 kinds of PCI slots |
| 03:18.04 | JeffM2501 | old PCI and PCI-E |
| 03:18.11 | JeffM2501 | how old is the computer? |
| 03:18.28 | inchworm | spldart: i don't anything better than a 9600 myself :) |
| 03:18.43 | JeffM2501 | spldart, your not doing anything shadertastic, so your probably fine |
| 03:19.32 | JeffM2501 | 3dmark had some shadertasitc demos |
| 03:19.34 | spldart | ls |
| 03:19.37 | blast007 | DTRemenak: you better go catch it first |
| 03:19.43 | spldart | sry |
| 03:19.56 | DTRemenak | blast007: I just have it going in a circle, it's easy to catch ;) |
| 03:20.02 | blast007 | :) |
| 03:20.02 | spldart | heh.... lemme drop this keyboard while I compile my wireless card module hehe |
| 03:20.17 | JeffM2501 | time to go feedl |
| 03:20.20 | JeffM2501 | and lock this place up |
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| 04:49.57 | Davy | What's up with the forum permissions.... |
| 04:50.01 | Davy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.20 | Davy | Any idea's as to what's wrong? |
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| 05:05.27 | RatOmeter | don't know |
| 05:05.44 | Davy | do you get the same error? |
| 05:06.01 | RatOmeter | what's your registered name, I'll try to PM you |
| 05:06.12 | Davy | Davy jones |
| 05:06.12 | blast007 | we don't know the error, and thus can't determine if the have the same one |
| 05:06.19 | blast007 | if we* |
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| 05:06.42 | Davy | blast, do you see everyone come up as a private first class, or something of the sort |
| 05:07.02 | blast007 | yup |
| 05:07.06 | Davy | ah |
| 05:07.10 | Davy | good |
| 05:07.17 | Davy | now it that on purpose? |
| 05:07.22 | blast007 | yup |
| 05:07.27 | Davy | ok |
| 05:07.32 | Davy | just checking |
| 05:07.58 | RatOmeter | heh. You must have implemented some of those changes I heard at the scuttle |
| 05:08.21 | Davy | i posted it in the forum problems section...could you post a reply to let everyone knnow what is happening exactly, cause i still have no idea |
| 05:08.36 | blast007 | Davy: what about posting PMs though? |
| 05:08.52 | blast007 | I don't see any reason it would be giving you that |
| 05:09.02 | Davy | well, only tried once |
| 05:09.08 | blast007 | what was the error? |
| 05:09.08 | Davy | let me check again. |
| 05:09.11 | RatOmeter | Davy, I just sent you a PM. These other changes should not (I assume) affect that, so go check for a message from me |
| 05:09.37 | Davy | after sending, it gave me a message that said i wan not able to post at that time |
| 05:09.48 | Davy | one sec, let me check |
| 05:09.52 | blast007 | maybe was too soon after another one |
| 05:10.11 | blast007 | I know there is a delay for posting public messages |
| 05:10.39 | RatOmeter | the same delay might make sense to prevent PM spamming |
| 05:10.41 | Davy | aha, |
| 05:10.52 | blast007 | yup |
| 05:11.01 | Davy | worked now, i had posted none other pm's previously... |
| 05:11.08 | Davy | so maybe it was a temp error |
| 05:11.15 | Davy | ope it doesn't show up again |
| 05:11.21 | RatOmeter | probably a glitch in the matrix ;) |
| 05:11.41 | Davy | So what is the reason for these changes? |
| 05:11.50 | Davy | I'm curious to know |
| 05:11.56 | blast007 | the gods requested it |
| 05:12.05 | blast007 | we are but their servants |
| 05:12.10 | Davy | I suspect it judges how long you've been there |
| 05:12.13 | blast007 | we listen and obey |
| 05:12.20 | Davy | ah yes, quite right your are |
| 05:12.51 | RatOmeter | heh. Something about making the forum "rankings" based more on bzflag playtime than the number of times we post our random thoughts on the forum |
| 05:13.03 | blast007 | well, playtime didn't happen |
| 05:13.03 | Davy | AHA |
| 05:13.25 | blast007 | there's just less ranks now |
| 05:13.34 | RatOmeter | ah, well, I only caught part of one such conversation on it here |
| 05:13.47 | blast007 | Davy: so in other words, you're at the maximum rank now ;) |
| 05:13.52 | blast007 | as it anyone over 5 posts |
| 05:13.54 | blast007 | is* |
| 05:13.56 | Davy | well, not really |
| 05:14.06 | Davy | as a couple have higher |
| 05:14.12 | blast007 | Davy: the maximum rank you're going to get |
| 05:14.15 | Davy | EX:BinarySpike |
| 05:14.21 | Davy | es i know |
| 05:14.25 | RatOmeter | an honored being |
| 05:15.26 | Davy | Any reason why you are a 'general'? blast? |
| 05:15.35 | blast007 | I'm special |
| 05:15.48 | Davy | sure you are... |
| 05:15.54 | Davy | well |
| 05:15.58 | Davy | if you could... |
| 05:16.03 | blast007 | can't |
| 05:16.11 | Davy | post the reasons under the topic "Not that it matters..." |
| 05:16.19 | blast007 | oh that |
| 05:16.25 | Davy | in the Board Info forum |
| 05:16.26 | blast007 | might be able to do that ;) |
| 05:16.50 | Davy | i bet your a private first class Rat |
| 05:17.07 | Flash | rank generally seems tied to how much one posts |
| 05:17.21 | Davy | have you been listening flash? |
| 05:17.24 | RatOmeter | what about that time I helped you guys properly shutdown the Winsocks API, when it didn't really matter anyway?!? |
| 05:17.30 | Flash | just for a couple of mins |
| 05:17.46 | Davy | <RatOmeter> heh. Something about making the forum "rankings" based more on bzflag playtime than the number of times we post our random thoughts on the forum |
| 05:18.02 | blast007 | Davy: did you listen? |
| 05:18.05 | blast007 | that wasn't put in |
| 05:18.07 | Davy | nope |
| 05:18.09 | JeffM2501 | Davy the rankings are dfrent |
| 05:18.09 | Davy | not a bit |
| 05:18.11 | JeffM2501 | deal |
| 05:18.41 | Davy | Flash: The rank is not tied to posts anymore |
| 05:18.51 | JeffM2501 | Davy YES THEY ARE |
| 05:18.56 | JeffM2501 | stop telling lies to people |
| 05:18.59 | JeffM2501 | you are doing it every day |
| 05:19.05 | JeffM2501 | there are just difrent limmits |
| 05:19.18 | JeffM2501 | and less ranks that are based on posts. |
| 05:19.34 | JeffM2501 | you are starting to get on people's nerves |
| 05:19.41 | Davy | That's not what i meant Jeff.... |
| 05:20.12 | Davy | Flash said "rank generally seems tied to how much one posts" |
| 05:20.19 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 05:20.26 | JeffM2501 | it's stil tied to post count |
| 05:20.34 | JeffM2501 | for the 3 ranks that are tied to post count. |
| 05:20.39 | Davy | AHA |
| 05:20.44 | Davy | some explanation, finally |
| 05:20.57 | Davy | i was't here when this was being explained |
| 05:21.01 | JeffM2501 | it wasn't |
| 05:21.15 | Davy | Rat said that they talked about it... |
| 05:21.17 | Davy | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.23 | Davy | IIRC* |
| 05:21.27 | JeffM2501 | rank is so ancilary to the boards that it's not a feature we realy announce about |
| 05:21.33 | JeffM2501 | it dosnt' mean anything |
| 05:21.38 | Davy | i know |
| 05:21.47 | Davy | what i really wanted to know was the permissions... |
| 05:21.48 | DTRemenak | you're gonna get questions/complaints though |
| 05:21.52 | DTRemenak | may as well post about it |
| 05:22.07 | Davy | as i stated when i joined this channel... |
| 05:22.10 | JeffM2501 | I may post |
| 05:22.11 | blast007 | I made a reply to his post :) |
| 05:22.13 | blast007 | "Sounds good to me, PFC Davy Jones!" |
| 05:22.18 | Davy | yea |
| 05:22.26 | Davy | that made a whole ton of sense. |
| 05:22.29 | blast007 | hehe |
| 05:22.32 | blast007 | I'm so glad |
| 05:22.36 | Davy | :) |
| 05:22.38 | Davy | great |
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| 05:23.24 | RatOmeter | Davy, your "IRC" typo was most appropriate. It was here that there was some minor talk, of which I witnessed a tad. |
| 05:24.07 | Davy | Off topic: |
| 05:24.39 | Davy | as i don't have a <i>working<i> IRC client |
| 05:24.47 | Davy | and cannot switch channels atm... |
| 05:24.49 | RatOmeter | I do agree there ought to be something in the "News & Announcements" section of the forum to assuage the people who care |
| 05:24.57 | Davy | i'm trying to compile a client |
| 05:25.01 | Davy | irssi |
| 05:25.11 | Davy | although it comes up with this error |
| 05:25.32 | Davy | "checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.0... no" |
| 05:25.39 | Davy | and then it lists some solutions |
| 05:25.44 | Davy | *all this is in terminal* |
| 05:26.09 | JeffM2501 | try #irssi |
| 05:26.18 | Davy | and it suggests i download it from ftp://ftp.gtk.org |
| 05:26.28 | Davy | I cannot switch channels, JEff |
| 05:26.44 | Davy | it doesn't let me, as i stated earlier... |
| 05:26.48 | blast007 | Davy: what OS you trying to get irssi on? |
| 05:26.48 | JeffM2501 | we arn't an a support channel for it |
| 05:26.57 | Davy | i know... |
| 05:27.11 | Davy | im asking about where i should download from "ftp://ftp.gtk.org" |
| 05:27.22 | Davy | i cannot figure out what to download for it. |
| 05:27.41 | Davy | OS X 10.2.8 |
| 05:28.01 | RatOmeter | Davy, your saying that /join #irssi doesn't work for you?? |
| 05:28.03 | Davy | can't pm on here, it's a basic IRC client link from the forums, sorry about that all |
| 05:28.15 | RatOmeter | oh |
| 05:28.36 | Davy | yes. it just comes up with some errors |
| 05:28.46 | Davy | let me show you |
| 05:28.50 | blast007 | [NP]Tangent: "Davy" ? |
| 05:28.54 | blast007 | Davy: don't bother |
| 05:28.58 | [NP]Tangent | no, the first one is R |
| 05:28.59 | Davy | ok |
| 05:29.21 | blast007 | Davy: use the zeebrothers CGI:IRC so you get to #irssi |
| 05:29.38 | Davy | let me try it then |
| 05:29.58 | Davy | well, all it says is "*** Access to channel #irssi is blocked" |
| 05:30.20 | [NP]Tangent | why not IRSSI? |
| 05:30.24 | blast007 | RatOmeter: they realized that there was better stuff |
| 05:30.27 | [NP]Tangent | I'd switch completely to IRSSI |
| 05:30.47 | RatOmeter | touche' |
| 05:30.52 | Davy | gtg bye |
| 05:30.57 | blast007 | I'd use GAIM before chatzilla, and I hate GAIM |
| 05:30.57 | Davy | dd me on MSn if u want to help |
| 05:31.09 | PrezKennedy | dont be hating GAIM |
| 05:31.18 | blast007 | PrezKennedy: but I do |
| 05:31.27 | PrezKennedy | could be worse |
| 05:31.29 | PrezKennedy | could be AIM |
| 05:31.45 | blast007 | and actually I guess it's Gaim, right? |
| 05:31.51 | JeffM2501 | I've never had a problem with x-chat on all the OSs |
| 05:32.01 | blast007 | JeffM2501: well, he's got 10.2 |
| 05:32.12 | PrezKennedy | im using xchat on windoze right now :-) |
| 05:32.28 | [NP]Tangent | xchat on Linux here |
| 05:32.30 | JeffM2501 | then he shouldn't be using an old OS |
| 05:32.49 | JeffM2501 | he's only gonna get more and more screwed |
| 05:33.10 | blast007 | he said he's going to get 10.5 |
| 05:33.47 | JeffM2501 | if his mac supports it :) |
| 05:33.51 | blast007 | yeah :) |
| 05:34.03 | JeffM2501 | most 10.2ers are on deadend hardware |
| 05:34.26 | PrezKennedy | i looked at macs recently... |
| 05:34.41 | JeffM2501 | so you got extra cash hangin around? |
| 05:34.45 | blast007 | JeffM2501: but that apple ad said that only PCs have to upgrade hardware to upgrade the OS!! *gasp* |
| 05:35.04 | PrezKennedy | for about 5 minutes til i realized theyd be about 1k more for the same features as what i have in this HP pavilion |
| 05:35.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah guess apple just "forgot" about the old imac :) |
| 05:35.23 | JeffM2501 | but it is true, you CAN'T upgrade most macs |
| 05:35.27 | JeffM2501 | you just have to throw them away |
| 05:35.44 | JeffM2501 | so only PC users GET to upgrade to run a new OS :) |
| 05:35.54 | blast007 | :) |
| 05:36.23 | JeffM2501 | the mini is the only decently priced mac |
| 05:36.35 | JeffM2501 | but too bad it has crap video |
| 05:36.37 | RatOmeter | heh. from about 1989 to 1999 I had the same PC... well, none of the parts were the same, but let's call it an incremental upgrade |
| 05:38.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah at least you have the option of ugprading the parts that need it :) |
| 05:38.23 | Fiberchunks | JeffM2501, weren't we having this same discussion yesterday? ;) |
| 05:38.33 | blast007 | most of the parts in my older desktop have been upgraded or replaced |
| 05:38.48 | blast007 | it's more mine than my parents' now :) |
| 05:39.53 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 05:40.28 | blast007 | still want to ditch the monitor...it's a crappy offbrand that doesn't notify the system what modes it supports |
| 05:40.51 | PrezKennedy | i have a 17" LCD |
| 05:40.56 | JeffM2501 | small |
| 05:40.56 | blast007 | so it's "fun" when bzflag minimizes |
| 05:41.08 | PrezKennedy | on a laptop |
| 05:41.11 | PrezKennedy | ;-) |
| 05:41.16 | JeffM2501 | small |
| 05:42.13 | PrezKennedy | i know... which makes it great for LAN parties |
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| 05:50.45 | Davy | blast: could you gimme a quick rundown of the version of SDL that bzflag uses? |
| 05:51.00 | blast007 | it uses the newest |
| 05:51.07 | Davy | because i'm having some slight issues compiling it. |
| 05:51.16 | Davy | the newest being... |
| 05:51.40 | blast007 | the one on the SDL site |
| 05:51.51 | Davy | the latest stable release? |
| 05:51.58 | Davy | r the ones under devel... |
| 05:52.42 | blast007 | stable |
| 05:53.10 | Davy | ah |
| 05:53.34 | Davy | i put it in my frameworks library but it still does not compile. |
| 05:53.42 | Davy | *OS X 10.2.8* |
| 05:54.35 | JeffM2501 | you shoudlh't have to build it |
| 05:54.41 | JeffM2501 | they don't have a framework fro you? |
| 05:55.02 | Davy | are you referring to the SDL version or.... |
| 05:55.07 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 05:56.12 | Davy | i'm trying to compile 2.11 (bzflag) and it says |
| 05:56.24 | JeffM2501 | that you don't have SDL |
| 05:56.28 | JeffM2501 | did you install SDL? |
| 05:56.34 | JeffM2501 | from the 2 DMGs |
| 05:56.36 | Davy | WARNING :configure script to old or 'missing' |
| 05:56.38 | Davy | and then |
| 05:56.44 | Davy | it says SDL not found |
| 05:56.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:56.55 | JeffM2501 | did you install SDL? |
| 05:57.24 | Davy | it didn't have an installer come with it, It said to put in in my frameworks, which i did. |
| 05:57.48 | JeffM2501 | did you do both DMGs? |
| 05:57.57 | Davy | What DMGs |
| 05:58.10 | JeffM2501 | the 2 OSX SDL dmg files |
| 05:58.16 | Davy | yes. |
| 05:58.16 | JeffM2501 | one for the runtimes, and one for the development files |
| 05:58.20 | Davy | ah crap |
| 05:58.21 | Davy | tg |
| 05:58.24 | Davy | gtg... |
| 05:58.29 | Davy | tty tommorow |
| 05:58.32 | Davy | opefully |
| 05:58.33 | Davy | bye |
| 06:00.15 | blast007 | opefully ot |
| 06:04.15 | RatOmeter | hot? |
| 06:09.42 | blast007 | :) |
| 06:13.40 | JeffM2501 | I'd have to guess 15, but It'll proably be like 17 |
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| 12:39.04 | spldart | WooHooo Warrant Officer spldart :) ... And 14 days from my 2 year bzbb anniversery.... 7 days from by bzflag anniv. :-D |
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| 13:15.58 | essy | brlcad: ping |
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| 17:14.22 | Pommes | dub.bzflag.org and bzf.bzflag.org seem to be dead |
| 17:14.34 | Pommes | everything else seems to work |
| 17:14.52 | Pommes | can someone confirm that? |
| 17:14.58 | scott | one sec |
| 17:15.04 | Pommes | happened right now |
| 17:15.33 | TheRedBaron | pommes yes |
| 17:15.41 | scott | i cant ping dub |
| 17:15.43 | Pommes | thx - I thought it's my prob :) |
| 17:16.06 | TheRedBaron | pommes, happened here also, was playing |
| 17:16.17 | scott | --- dub.pimpi.org ping statistics --- |
| 17:16.18 | scott | 12 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 17:16.18 | TheRedBaron | who tripped on the router cord? |
| 17:16.28 | scott | --- bzf.bzflag.org ping statistics --- |
| 17:16.28 | scott | 14 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 17:16.30 | Pommes | funny - are they on the same server? |
| 17:16.38 | TheRedBaron | might be same isp |
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| 17:16.56 | spldart | heh |
| 17:17.07 | Pommes | baaad |
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| 17:18.02 | Pommes | who is the server-owner? |
| 17:18.56 | Pommes | ah |
| 17:19.00 | Pommes | nseems to work again |
| 17:19.55 | Pommes | just dub works again - bzf is still unreachable |
| 17:20.20 | scott | bzf may be coming up now |
| 17:20.22 | spldart | One on router and one on switch next to router? LOLOL |
| 17:20.52 | scott | i can ping bzf now |
| 17:21.24 | scott | httpd is up |
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| 18:01.58 | plokijuy | hello |
| 18:02.20 | blast007 | hi |
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| 18:12.02 | JeffM2501 | heh to the question"you took away a very active part of the forum and you expect people to stop doing so." .. my answer is "yes.. that's why it was taken away" |
| 18:12.40 | Birdie | how come others have another rank actually? i seem to be luetanent |
| 18:12.45 | Birdie | (however you write that) |
| 18:12.58 | JeffM2501 | cus your kinda cool :) |
| 18:13.13 | Birdie | ah you only picked some to do it |
| 18:13.27 | JeffM2501 | if you help out the comunity and/or make yourself known for being an ok person, we'll give you a higher rank |
| 18:13.28 | Birdie | its not a general thing |
| 18:13.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:13.33 | Birdie | ah ok |
| 18:13.36 | JeffM2501 | it's a reward for being nice :) |
| 18:13.46 | Birdie | i always knew i'm nice:) |
| 18:13.54 | ts | I don't think I'm always nice in forum :/ |
| 18:14.08 | JeffM2501 | it's not just about the fourm, it's about the project |
| 18:14.16 | JeffM2501 | I even gave gnurdux a higher rank |
| 18:14.23 | JeffM2501 | cus he's made some nice plugins |
| 18:14.31 | ts | yeah |
| 18:14.45 | JBdiGriz | It's JeffM2501's version of karma |
| 18:15.05 | JeffM2501 | well not just mine, any admin can set it |
| 18:15.30 | JeffM2501 | somone submits a nice patch, bump em up a bit |
| 18:15.31 | ts | What I found funny is that the people that post a lot of "chit-chat" noticed the rank change first |
| 18:15.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:17.02 | TheRedBaron | woah, each user has a potential of 1gb attachment space on bzbb? |
| 18:17.03 | Birdie | is there somewhere a list from the ranks? |
| 18:17.13 | JeffM2501 | we just set the limit high |
| 18:17.21 | ts | Birdie: List is at FAQ |
| 18:17.30 | Birdie | ah thx tx |
| 18:17.30 | JeffM2501 | ts, not anymore |
| 18:17.35 | ts | oh :/ |
| 18:17.38 | JeffM2501 | no, there is no list of ranks |
| 18:17.43 | Birdie | i looked through some pinned topics but.. |
| 18:17.45 | Birdie | ah |
| 18:17.46 | JeffM2501 | there are only 3 ranks based on post count |
| 18:17.55 | JeffM2501 | registered user at 0 posts |
| 18:18.00 | JeffM2501 | private at 1 |
| 18:18.02 | JeffM2501 | PFC at 5 |
| 18:18.03 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 18:19.27 | Birdie | i think all those kids wanted to be a general:) |
| 18:19.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:19.55 | JeffM2501 | I set the admins as generals |
| 18:20.53 | Birdie | wow if you had to set all those people manually:/ |
| 18:21.03 | JeffM2501 | had? |
| 18:21.12 | JeffM2501 | that's why it's based off personal experience :) |
| 18:21.24 | JeffM2501 | the other option was to just remove all ranks |
| 18:21.54 | Birdie | well i meaned it was propably a lot of work to set all those peoples ranks from people you knew |
| 18:22.10 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: I understand, and appreciate you taking off the "chit-chat" forum, However, I am curious as to where the direction of the bzbb forums are going |
| 18:22.42 | TheRedBaron | and no, this isn't about you deleting my post. I understand. |
| 18:23.22 | TheRedBaron | there is the obvious use of the private subforums, For mofo, and the various leagues |
| 18:23.36 | TheRedBaron | But i'm wondering more about the public use |
| 18:23.58 | TheRedBaron | in all honesty, what is there to talk about in "general Discussion" of bz? |
| 18:24.19 | TheRedBaron | "OMG Bz Roxors!!!!111" ? |
| 18:24.31 | spldart | So... is the rank Warrant Officer for me a automatic thing or a reward for not being a pain in the butt to much ? :) |
| 18:28.27 | TheRedBaron | You have the server section - But thats just limited to announcing servers, and their policies, but with the plethora of servers bz has, what has a new server come to mean? |
| 18:30.44 | TheRedBaron | same with the map-makming section |
| 18:31.19 | JeffM2501 | the direction is to be focused more on the game and it's development |
| 18:31.30 | JeffM2501 | since it now is the "offical" place for all that stuff |
| 18:31.58 | JeffM2501 | I would not be adverse to linking to another fourm that is more for comunity/player common inerests |
| 18:32.25 | JeffM2501 | but we need to keep these fourms focused on the improvment and future of the game, or it'll get out of hand. |
| 18:32.47 | JeffM2501 | also the fourm resources are donated, so it's not cool to turn it into some superblog |
| 18:32.49 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 18:33.30 | ts | JeffM2501: Speaking of development, we need to attract some new devs ;) |
| 18:33.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'm not happy with the servers section right now, it still is somewhat undefined, spliting out the admin help and discussion was a big part, we may end up killing the general server part |
| 18:33.47 | JeffM2501 | ts, no, we need to get a plan so the current devs can do stuff |
| 18:34.02 | ts | that, too |
| 18:34.02 | JeffM2501 | throwing more random monkeys at the project won't help it if they don't know where to take it. |
| 18:34.25 | JeffM2501 | if we had a consise plan, I think we'd get more people working on it |
| 18:34.44 | JeffM2501 | spldart, cus you help test. |
| 18:35.30 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, every day I question the validitidity of the "geneal" froums. they are mostly holdovers from first incarnation of the fourms |
| 18:36.44 | JeffM2501 | I need to look at some other projects and see what they do, and if we can swing another fourm hung off the auth system maybe make a more comunity oriented one. |
| 18:36.44 | JeffM2501 | then at least they are seperate and don't get mixed. |
| 18:36.59 | JeffM2501 | some of the animosity from the chat stuff was spilling out into more serious discussions. |
| 18:37.08 | spldart | thankies |
| 18:37.32 | JeffM2501 | spldart, hey, thank you for being willing to help test at the drop of a hat, it realy helps sometimes. |
| 18:38.08 | Tupone | ts: Speaking of development, we need to attract some old devs ;) |
| 18:38.30 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, exactly :) |
| 18:38.38 | Tupone | :) |
| 18:38.53 | brlcad | eh |
| 18:39.02 | brlcad | er, 'heh' |
| 18:39.23 | JeffM2501 | if we can't motivate the people that know some of the code, then motivating people to learn the code ain't going to fly. |
| 18:40.04 | ts | Tupone: That, too :p |
| 18:41.12 | TheRedBaron | hehe |
| 18:41.50 | JeffM2501 | the help fourms seem to be used correctly |
| 18:41.55 | JeffM2501 | I'm happy for them |
| 18:42.05 | JeffM2501 | the main general one does get some intersting discussions |
| 18:42.09 | JeffM2501 | like the flags in CTF |
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| 18:42.18 | JeffM2501 | and there shoudl be a place for stuff like that |
| 18:42.33 | JeffM2501 | cus it's defenatly game related |
| 18:43.00 | JeffM2501 | but when it comes down to talk about where somone got the picutre on there wall in a "screenshot" it's really hard to say that is about the game. |
| 18:43.01 | spldart | I think I found a bug last night but still working on narrowing it down a bit before I mention here |
| 18:43.29 | JeffM2501 | or comments like "I play armegedon too!!!!" |
| 18:44.08 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: Ah, I understand |
| 18:44.30 | TheRedBaron | I was concerned about the community aspects of the game/forum |
| 18:44.35 | JeffM2501 | remebmer the nintendo fanboy threads? |
| 18:44.41 | TheRedBaron | yet, Thats hard to do |
| 18:44.57 | TheRedBaron | because that voice is a bunch of munchkins, without blogs :) |
| 18:45.02 | SpazzyMcGee | The worst of this spammage has to have been that four word thing. |
| 18:45.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah, it's hard to ballance, that's why I'd like to split it up |
| 18:45.19 | JeffM2501 | so there is a clear line of what is about the game, and what is about the players |
| 18:45.25 | JeffM2501 | and player interests |
| 18:45.30 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: if I may point out, You don't seem to have the patience of a general community forum :) |
| 18:45.34 | JeffM2501 | I totaly understand that there are some subjects everyone may like |
| 18:46.01 | TheRedBaron | And if I may bring in the topic of my deleted post, (no, I'm not bitter) |
| 18:46.01 | JeffM2501 | oh no, I'd never be able to ( or want to ) admin a general chat fourm |
| 18:46.17 | JeffM2501 | tho that would have it's own rules, and I'd just follow them |
| 18:46.21 | JeffM2501 | cus that WOULD be the place for it |
| 18:46.26 | JeffM2501 | so it could stay |
| 18:46.28 | TheRedBaron | Like I said in my PM, i was looking for a little more personal help/advice than google offers :) |
| 18:46.30 | spldart | I can understand why |
| 18:46.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah I know you were |
| 18:46.44 | TheRedBaron | thats part of the community |
| 18:46.45 | JeffM2501 | and I wish I had a place I could have moved it to |
| 18:47.06 | JeffM2501 | and I think we need a place for posts like that, so you can leverage that comunity for stuff like that |
| 18:47.12 | TheRedBaron | I have some friends here, whose advice would be somethign other than "yea, winxp suxs, get a different more secure OS" :) |
| 18:47.17 | JeffM2501 | I just don't think it can be the same place as the current froums. |
| 18:47.28 | TheRedBaron | I agree |
| 18:47.43 | JeffM2501 | we need like a #bzchat, but as a fourm, linked to the mains, but somehow not mixed. |
| 18:47.45 | TheRedBaron | and an un-official branch forums is probably the best solution |
| 18:47.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:48.01 | TheRedBaron | that has a "word of reccomendation" from the official forums |
| 18:48.08 | JeffM2501 | if we were on phpbb3 we could have them use the same logins |
| 18:48.16 | TheRedBaron | or at least a page of "please direct these sort of topics to here 'link' " |
| 18:48.22 | JeffM2501 | but seperate post databases |
| 18:48.45 | TheRedBaron | and if I was any good at coding, or website managing, I'd offer my services |
| 18:49.00 | JeffM2501 | at that point I'd almost like to move bzbb into a real fourms.bzflag.org domain, and have the community one on my.bzflag.org |
| 18:49.13 | SpazzyMcGee | JeffM: Why not make a chat forum that simply isn't listed in the 'recent posts' search. Is that possible? |
| 18:49.22 | JeffM2501 | not with out a lot of coding |
| 18:49.36 | SpazzyMcGee | ah |
| 18:49.45 | JeffM2501 | and if we are going to hand tweak the phpbbcode then I'd rather hackin in an external auth module |
| 18:49.58 | JeffM2501 | we are rather limited by our choice of phpbb |
| 18:50.24 | JeffM2501 | it has been a subject of much discussion. |
| 18:50.41 | JeffM2501 | and hooking the game logins into it just kinda made it worse from an upgrade standpoint |
| 18:51.09 | TheRedBaron | nah, I think it mad it worse, from a traffic standpoint |
| 18:51.42 | TheRedBaron | *made |
| 18:51.42 | TheRedBaron | some people you just don't want on forums ;) |
| 18:51.42 | JeffM2501 | well somewhat |
| 18:51.42 | JeffM2501 | the phpbb/sql system isn't that efficent for logins |
| 18:51.46 | JeffM2501 | and we can turn of the posting ability of users. |
| 18:51.56 | JeffM2501 | and I can totaly see reasons for the fourms using the same central database |
| 18:52.06 | JeffM2501 | you want posters to be using the same name as in game |
| 18:52.16 | JeffM2501 | or then people would post as you. |
| 18:52.42 | JeffM2501 | the overall concept wasn't bad, just the specific implemenation wasn't fully thought out, and we are now hiting problems with it. |
| 18:55.16 | JeffM2501 | in a number of ways, the kerbos auth system would have scaled a lot better and given us a lot more options, but it was thrown out before it could have been fully evaluated. |
| 18:57.05 | donny_baker | can the version of phpbb we are on link into ldap? or is that another mod? |
| 18:59.38 | ts | donny_baker: blast007 said something about LDAP and had a plan, I don't know what is done right now though |
| 19:01.20 | JeffM2501 | there are mods that can do ldap, some people ahve looked into it |
| 19:01.54 | JeffM2501 | phpbb2.x dosn't have many options for auth, it's built in |
| 19:02.14 | JeffM2501 | phpbb3 will have auth as a seperate module, so it woudl be easier to seperate |
| 19:02.15 | donny_baker | ok, just thought it might be a logical thing to use to handle logins if phpbb could handle it |
| 19:02.19 | JeffM2501 | but it's not rleased yet |
| 19:02.29 | JeffM2501 | it is a somewhat logical thing |
| 19:02.36 | JeffM2501 | tho it'd have to support groups |
| 19:02.42 | JeffM2501 | I know some people did some research into it |
| 19:02.48 | JeffM2501 | and it did look promicing |
| 19:05.02 | JeffM2501 | these issues are places where strong project leadership and planning are need, IMHO |
| 19:05.24 | JeffM2501 | cus you need a good system that can stand the test of time. |
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| 19:07.49 | donny_baker | it would allow for a distributed login environment and openLDAP does support groups |
| 19:08.21 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 19:08.31 | JeffM2501 | a distributed list server is a much disired feature |
| 19:08.56 | donny_baker | yes, i have seen a need for that from time to time ;) |
| 19:09.28 | JeffM2501 | I would talk to blast007 and brlcad about it, IIRC they did a lot of research into it |
| 19:09.47 | JeffM2501 | see :) |
| 19:09.56 | donny_baker | a voice from above |
| 19:10.08 | brlcad | working with fiberchunks too, he has put together some nice diagrams |
| 19:10.27 | JeffM2501 | I'd fully support a change in login technologies for 2.2, as long as we can keep at least one old list server/auth system up for old users, using the current data. |
| 19:10.32 | JeffM2501 | ahh cool |
| 19:11.22 | ts | Just don't forget to document the way it works :) |
| 19:11.40 | donny_baker | the wiki should be fully functional sometime this weekend |
| 19:11.45 | brlcad | that's what's going on now, so we don't end up rehashing the same ideas and discussions while it's being coded |
| 19:12.21 | TheRedBaron | thats another community project that would be nice - a bzflag wiki |
| 19:12.26 | brlcad | it'll lay out the design criteria so then it should be mostly chugging through code and setting things up to get it running |
| 19:12.36 | TheRedBaron | I dont' know if the one at www.bzflag.org is open to public editing |
| 19:12.37 | donny_baker | TRB: already in the works |
| 19:12.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's workin |
| 19:12.47 | TheRedBaron | donny_baker: I've heard |
| 19:12.51 | JeffM2501 | we have a wiki, it just sucks. |
| 19:12.52 | TheRedBaron | links? |
| 19:13.24 | brlcad | TheRedBaron: it's not ready just yet, donny_baker's been working on it ;) |
| 19:13.41 | donny_baker | I'll make a post on the forums |
| 19:13.59 | brlcad | or just make an announcement on the wiki *grin* |
| 19:14.01 | TheRedBaron | donny_baker: I have a partial wiki, me and a few ducati league players put together |
| 19:14.05 | brlcad | let google find it |
| 19:14.30 | donny_baker | this brings an good point.... should it be fully publily editable or just viewable and keep control over editors |
| 19:14.37 | donny_baker | publicly* |
| 19:14.39 | brlcad | TheRedBaron: how do you have a partial wiki? |
| 19:14.48 | brlcad | you mean a "partially populated" wiki? |
| 19:14.53 | TheRedBaron | yea thats it :) |
| 19:14.57 | JeffM2501 | is it a wi or a ki? |
| 19:14.59 | brlcad | or a half-assed setup ;) |
| 19:15.14 | TheRedBaron | partial, as in partially complete |
| 19:15.44 | TheRedBaron | which, I guess is the point of all wikis |
| 19:15.44 | brlcad | donny_baker: the current wiki was mainly shut down because it was ripe to abuse |
| 19:15.59 | brlcad | wikimedia has better controls in place for handling that, so I'd think we should at least try open for starters |
| 19:16.01 | donny_baker | yes, that is what i am afraid of |
| 19:16.07 | donny_baker | ok |
| 19:16.30 | TheRedBaron | donny_baker: same here, which is why we didn't open up the wiki to the public, for them to finish it |
| 19:16.37 | brlcad | plus if people really do get involved in putting data in there, it might just police itself |
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| 19:16.48 | donny_baker | that is always the goal |
| 19:17.06 | donny_baker | because i don't want to HAVE to police it everyday |
| 19:17.13 | TheRedBaron | brclad: true, but look at the current bzbb crowd, that would follow the link to wiki :) |
| 19:17.42 | donny_baker | it is very easy to take someones post perms away in mediawiki |
| 19:17.53 | donny_baker | s/post/edit/ |
| 19:18.47 | TheRedBaron | would you have to have an account to edit the wiki? |
| 19:19.06 | donny_baker | yes, i don't think we should allow anonymous edits |
| 19:19.23 | donny_baker | or at least that is what i am thinking |
| 19:19.34 | TheRedBaron | donny_baker: I agree with you |
| 19:24.52 | donny_baker | anonymous reading, yes ... if they want to share their info getting a login isn't that hard |
| 19:24.52 | donny_baker | with wikipedia most of their bad posters are anonymous |
| 19:24.52 | donny_baker | most (or at least i hope) of the cheaters are unregistered |
| 19:24.52 | donny_baker | in bzflag |
| 19:24.53 | brlcad | bzflag's wiki ran for a couple years before abuse really started to be an issue |
| 19:24.53 | brlcad | and it was more of a problem there only because it was a pita to revert a change |
| 19:24.53 | donny_baker | really, that surprises me |
| 19:24.53 | brlcad | that's not so much the case with media |
| 19:24.53 | donny_baker | so you are supportting anonymous posts? because your the boss :) |
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| 19:25.40 | brlcad | I'll support it either way, not going to press on one vs the other -- but my inclination would be to give folks the benefit of the doubt for starters |
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| 19:26.09 | donny_baker | ok, so be it.... like you said it's not hard to undo damage |
| 19:26.11 | brlcad | it's just a checkbox to "lock it down" iirc regardless, so if it does cause a problem that could be easily turned on |
| 19:27.21 | donny_baker | brlcad: it may be... I always do it in the LocalSettings file ;) |
| 19:27.51 | donny_baker | couldn't edit user rights like normal on the new version and it turns out it is graphical now :p |
| 19:30.08 | brlcad | something like: $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = true; vs. $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; :) |
| 19:30.29 | donny_baker | yes that is it |
| 19:31.38 | donny_baker | and the 'user' instead of '*' for registered accounts |
| 19:37.13 | TheRedBaron | who is heading up the wiki? donny_baker or the burly cad? |
| 19:37.22 | brlcad | donny_baker is |
| 19:37.47 | donny_baker | in all my spare time :) |
| 19:38.44 | brlcad | it'll be at wiki.bzflag.org (along with several aliases) when all is said and done presuming riker eventually gets around to updating dns |
| 20:00.34 | RatOmeter | anecdotal: the wiki at flightgear requires registration and doesn't suffer much at all from vandalism. However, I suspect its user base is (a) smaller and (b) older on average |
| 20:01.32 | blast007 | and just a note: phpbb2 has a mod to use LDAP auth |
| 20:01.32 | brlcad | which is just saying that by locking it down you don't see many problems .. which I don't think anyone would dispute :) |
| 20:02.40 | brlcad | the question is whether to not lock it down so that it's more in the spirit of a wiki instead of caving in to (what mediawiki calls) the lazy solution |
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| 20:04.57 | RatOmeter | my take is that someone who has knowledge and the time and inclination to share it will register to do so. Opening it up to anon pretty much requires a largish, very dedicated team of do-gooders like wikipedia has |
| 20:05.17 | RatOmeter | to keep track of the vandalism |
| 20:05.40 | blast007 | RatOmeter: well, in any case, it'll be easier with mediawiki...I always forgot my login details with the old wiki |
| 20:06.42 | uso | Pommes: dub and bzf are not at the same server, but both servers are at the same datacenter |
| 20:07.20 | uso | looks like a short outage of one of the peering lines of the provider which have hurt you |
| 20:07.43 | uso | the server wasn't down, ther were even people playing at it at that time |
| 20:08.06 | brlcad | RatOmeter: i have time and inclination to share, but I absolutely loathe registering and never do it if I don't have to (at least in regards to sites around the net) |
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| 20:08.47 | brlcad | some people are complacent that every freaking site wants you to register, and sites that make you register multiple times are just multiply annoying |
| 20:09.12 | brlcad | it should "solve itself" with an integrated ldap/auth system |
| 20:09.45 | brlcad | so that we really could have a single sign-on for all project services, but we don't yet |
| 20:09.52 | L4m3r | I'm sure there's some kind of mod to integrate phpBB and wiki |
| 20:10.08 | L4m3r | even if it means using phpnuke or some other portal-based CMS |
| 20:10.38 | brlcad | plus making non-anon off the bat is solving a problem that just doesn't exist yet, might as well see if it can work before making assumptions |
| 20:11.01 | brlcad | i mean serious, we're talking about changing a word in a config file if it's a problem |
| 20:11.04 | L4m3r | haven't we had wiki vandalism? |
| 20:11.19 | brlcad | yep |
| 20:12.00 | brlcad | vandalism in particular is generally rare, was rare with the existing wiki .. about as frequent as abuse in here |
| 20:12.07 | brlcad | i.e. readily manageable |
| 20:13.46 | brlcad | the problem was more that it was a pita to revert the abuse (sometimes had to restore a DB backup), and not really any good means to prevent/limit the abuse other than closing it |
| 20:14.43 | donny_baker | mediawiki solves that... as it is easy to revert. The only real issue is revert wars, but then you lock the page :) |
| 20:17.11 | brlcad | actual "usage" problems are not something I'd worry about .. people can disagree on content all they like, it'll sort itself out eventually ;) |
| 20:17.23 | brlcad | the problem is going to be spam, if measures aren't taken |
| 20:17.38 | brlcad | but then that's where that link comes in handy |
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| 22:05.03 | bz72 | hello, i have a noob question, new to linux and using the game on linux, i installed my game to the /usr dir and cant find a way to actually run the game, can anyone help me? |
| 22:05.26 | JeffM2501 | bzflag in the terminal dosn't work? |
| 22:05.47 | bz72 | just typing "bzflag" in the terminal? |
| 22:05.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:05.51 | bz72 | 1 sec |
| 22:06.22 | ruskie | I'm guessing he found it |
| 22:06.33 | bz72 | its saying command not found |
| 22:06.38 | bz72 | when i type "bzflag" |
| 22:06.46 | ruskie | how exactly did you "install" it? |
| 22:06.49 | JeffM2501 | what linux distrobution are you using? |
| 22:06.55 | JeffM2501 | and yes, how did you get the game? |
| 22:07.20 | bz72 | centOS |
| 22:07.27 | bz72 | and i just dled it from the source forge site |
| 22:07.34 | JeffM2501 | what did you download? |
| 22:08.00 | bz72 | bzflag-2.0.8-x86-Opkg.tar.gz |
| 22:08.46 | bz72 | by install it i mean going into the extracted folder into bin and double clicking...1 sec |
| 22:08.56 | bz72 | install |
| 22:08.58 | bz72 | and then ran it |
| 22:09.09 | JeffM2501 | I don't recall that as one of our packages |
| 22:09.18 | ruskie | wth is 0pkg??? |
| 22:09.23 | ruskie | or |
| 22:09.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah..... |
| 22:09.26 | ruskie | Opkg |
| 22:09.30 | ruskie | as that's acctually what's there |
| 22:09.42 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.02 | JeffM2501 | there is a slackware bzflag-2.0.8-i486-1ahu.tgz |
| 22:10.13 | bz72 | ok, i dled the GNU/Linux installer |
| 22:10.17 | JeffM2501 | from where? |
| 22:10.28 | JeffM2501 | not sourceforge |
| 22:10.35 | bz72 | GNU/Linux installer (i586) (*note* this is not an official build and not supported by the project, see it's author for support) [WWW]bzflag-2.0.8-x86-Opkg.tar.gz |
| 22:10.42 | JeffM2501 | ahh that thing |
| 22:10.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah, that's not suported |
| 22:10.48 | JeffM2501 | as it says |
| 22:10.51 | bz72 | not the right one? |
| 22:10.55 | bz72 | k |
| 22:10.58 | JeffM2501 | thats not the offical way to get it |
| 22:11.11 | JeffM2501 | check your OSs package manager and see if they have a package for bzflag |
| 22:11.16 | JeffM2501 | that's the best way |
| 22:11.53 | JeffM2501 | looks like it's based of redhat, so an RPM would probably work |
| 22:12.11 | bz72 | centOS is based off enterprise red hat |
| 22:12.12 | JeffM2501 | or compile it from the source |
| 22:12.23 | ruskie | yeah... since rpm's are so interchangable between various rpm powered distros |
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| 22:13.12 | JeffM2501 | tho I don't know if anyone has done a 2.0.8 RPM |
| 22:13.18 | JeffM2501 | all I see is 2.0.2's |
| 22:13.48 | JeffM2501 | or you can contact the author of the installer and ask them what the deal is |
| 22:13.54 | JeffM2501 | we didn't make it, so we don't know how that one works |
| 22:15.36 | bz72 | ok |
| 22:16.17 | Tupone | gentoo has a 2.0.8 with a 64 bit patches :) |
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| 22:17.10 | bz72 | ok, here comes another question, if i downloaded bzflag-2.0.8.tar.gz and extracted it, how would i go about installing it? in linux |
| 22:17.20 | ruskie | ./configure && make && make install |
| 22:17.26 | Tupone | hehe, you should have a lot of dev packages |
| 22:17.34 | ruskie | only the last bit(make install) should be run as root |
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| 22:17.49 | philbrick0340 | brad any word on two tanks yet? |
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| 22:18.30 | brad | why would I know? |
| 22:18.38 | philbrick0340 | ok, nevermind then |
| 22:18.59 | ruskie | please don't privmsg me without good reason |
| 22:19.25 | ruskie | please don't privmsg me without good reason |
| 22:19.27 | bz72 | ok sorry |
| 22:19.35 | bz72 | was asking about that command |
| 22:19.41 | ruskie | so ask away |
| 22:19.50 | ruskie | but not in private |
| 22:19.53 | bz72 | ok |
| 22:20.22 | bz72 | when you said before to do, ./configure && make && make install |
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| 22:20.41 | ruskie | wb |
| 22:21.13 | bz72 | sry something got messed up, when before you said to run ./configure && make && make install, did you mean that command litterally? or do i need to fill in certain blanks |
| 22:21.34 | ruskie | that command literaly inside the unpacked dir |
| 22:21.37 | Tupone | bz72: did you untar that zip file? |
| 22:21.42 | bz72 | ok thank you |
| 22:22.03 | ruskie | Tupone, he does seem to know some basic concepts :) |
| 22:22.19 | Tupone | well, ok :) I stay quiet |
| 22:22.23 | ruskie | and he did extract it as he stated earlier :) |
| 22:23.00 | Tupone | be sure he has all the -dev packages he needs |
| 22:23.23 | ruskie | he can figure those out as he goes along when configure fails :) |
| 22:23.34 | JeffM2501 | bz72, there are instructions on how to install, it would be a good idea to read those, and then you can ask smart questions on things you need clarification on |
| 22:23.46 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, you could also be a little nicer ;) |
| 22:23.51 | bz72 | thank you very much it is installing as we speak |
| 22:24.00 | ruskie | I wasn't nice? |
| 22:24.20 | JeffM2501 | you could have told him to not PM you, once in a PM |
| 22:24.22 | Tupone | bz72: did configure give you some message |
| 22:24.35 | Tupone | like unable to build client? |
| 22:25.06 | Birdie | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10176 |
| 22:25.10 | Birdie | lol for that last comment |
| 22:25.16 | Birdie | "its not that important" |
| 22:25.25 | ruskie | JeffM2501, well I don't respond to unsolicited msgs and a query ussualy doesn't get opened... infact I don't even get the data... I have a simple whitelist policy on all privmsgs... by default all ... |
| 22:25.27 | ruskie | ... are blacklisted :) |
| 22:26.30 | JeffM2501 | that's your own personal deal, not something the rest of the channel needs to care about. |
| 22:27.32 | bz72 | Tupone before you spoke of guides, where are these guides? I have been unable to locate them within the extraced folder. |
| 22:27.57 | blast007 | there are readme files |
| 22:28.03 | Tupone | I didn't talk about that, maybe JeffM2501. But there should be a README.something |
| 22:28.12 | Tupone | lots of |
| 22:28.29 | JeffM2501 | README.Linux |
| 22:28.36 | JeffM2501 | in the root of the extracted dir |
| 22:28.47 | bz72 | yes it was jeff, my bad |
| 22:28.53 | JeffM2501 | no biggie |
| 22:29.03 | bz72 | thank you |
| 22:32.03 | bz72 | once it has been installed how do i go about running it? The readme.linux does not specify how. |
| 22:33.27 | bz72 | ? |
| 22:33.27 | brad | after you make install as root , you should be able to type "bzflag" in a terminal |
| 22:33.35 | bz72 | ok |
| 22:34.21 | bz72 | when i type it into a terminal it tells me its an unknown command |
| 22:34.28 | JeffM2501 | by default we don't create a clickable icon, since the icons are specific to the window manager you run ( gnome or kde, etc.. ) |
| 22:34.36 | JeffM2501 | did you do the make install? |
| 22:34.41 | JeffM2501 | and did it run correctly? |
| 22:35.01 | JeffM2501 | linux is not about just clicking on icons. |
| 22:35.02 | bz72 | yes, i ran the ./configure && make && make install command successfully |
| 22:35.14 | JeffM2501 | were you root when you did the make install? |
| 22:35.23 | JeffM2501 | or su? |
| 22:35.27 | JeffM2501 | or sudo |
| 22:35.27 | bz72 | su |
| 22:35.41 | JeffM2501 | when you ran configure, did the log tell you that it was going to build the bzflag client? |
| 22:35.51 | JeffM2501 | it would have listed what it was going to build |
| 22:35.58 | JeffM2501 | server, client, and bzadmin |
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| 22:37.01 | bz72 | ok, thank you for your help, it was very helpful. |
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| 22:53.24 | anti-spam | hi |
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| 22:57.34 | plokijuy | hello |
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| 22:59.23 | anti-spam | hi pl. |
| 22:59.26 | plokijuy | hi |
| 22:59.41 | anti-spam | where u stuck on server? |
| 22:59.46 | plokijuy | yeah |
| 22:59.54 | plokijuy | i just cant get it online |
| 23:00.16 | anti-spam | pm me what it gives you after you try to host it |
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| 23:01.07 | plokijuy | ok |
| 23:01.07 | anti-spam | you there? |
| 23:01.11 | plokijuy | yeah |
| 23:01.13 | anti-spam | i spoke too late |
| 23:01.43 | plokijuy | i have followed tutorials on the interweb |
| 23:02.14 | anti-spam | [you dont have to type] highlight, press icon, press edit, press copy |
| 23:02.41 | anti-spam | what does it give you? |
| 23:03.02 | anti-spam | listening on 0.0.0.0:5154? |
| 23:03.32 | plokijuy | im very new to server making |
| 23:03.39 | plokijuy | so im not sure |
| 23:03.59 | anti-spam | copy hte command line and pm it to me |
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| 23:04.33 | plokijuy | ok |
| 23:06.00 | anti-spam | heres an example of what it gives me: |
| 23:07.01 | anti-spam | listening on 0.0.0.0:5401 |
| 23:07.21 | JeffM2501 | that's normal |
| 23:07.28 | anti-spam | its my firewall |
| 23:07.39 | JeffM2501 | thats your default interface |
| 23:07.47 | anti-spam | im not having problems. pl. dude is |
| 23:07.52 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 23:08.06 | JeffM2501 | your firewall is 127.0.0.1 ;) |
| 23:08.34 | anti-spam | ive started a server. for 5 secs. i cant risk loosing my comp tho :( |
| 23:08.45 | anti-spam | yes i know. |
| 23:08.53 | JeffM2501 | why would ruing a server make you lose your comptuer? |
| 23:08.59 | soxssss | lol. |
| 23:09.01 | anti-spam | hackers |
| 23:09.08 | anti-spam | loosing firewall is bad |
| 23:09.12 | JeffM2501 | your on the raw internet? |
| 23:09.16 | JeffM2501 | not behind a router? |
| 23:09.18 | anti-spam | no |
| 23:09.28 | plokijuy | <plokijuy> ~bzfquery plokijuyis.goingnowhere.org |
| 23:09.31 | anti-spam | i have 2 routers. i use one tho |
| 23:09.44 | JeffM2501 | and you set a static route for the bzfs port on the router? |
| 23:09.49 | JeffM2501 | or did you DMZ it? |
| 23:09.53 | anti-spam | ? |
| 23:10.04 | anti-spam | i opened a hole in the firewall |
| 23:10.12 | JeffM2501 | on the comptuer or the router? |
| 23:10.18 | anti-spam | hang on jeff. ill get u web |
| 23:10.34 | JeffM2501 | I have my own "Web" thanks |
| 23:10.36 | plokijuy | ~bzfquery plokijuyis.goingnowhere.orf |
| 23:10.47 | JeffM2501 | if you did it on the router, and had to put iny our lan IP, then you did what is called a static route |
| 23:11.03 | anti-spam | http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Actiontec/MI-424-WR/1st_SMTP_Server.htm |
| 23:11.05 | JeffM2501 | that is the most common way to use a server behind a NAT router. |
| 23:11.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah you did a static route |
| 23:11.12 | plokijuy | plokijuyis.goingnowhere.org:5154 |
| 23:11.18 | anti-spam | i have actiontec |
| 23:11.29 | JeffM2501 | that will only open it for that one port |
| 23:11.37 | anti-spam | i know |
| 23:11.39 | plokijuy | ~bzfquery plokijuyis.goingnowhere.org |
| 23:11.39 | JeffM2501 | so runing a server dosn't increase your "hackablitlty" at all |
| 23:11.45 | JeffM2501 | so your comment is bogus |
| 23:12.41 | JeffM2501 | the bzflag default ports are not used by the OS, and nothing else would be listening on them |
| 23:12.48 | JeffM2501 | if there was, you coudn't run on a server anyway :) |
| 23:13.28 | anti-spam | ok |
| 23:13.46 | anti-spam | so theres no way some hackers gunna crap my computer up? |
| 23:14.08 | JeffM2501 | it would be very unlikely if the used the bzfs server port for an atack vector |
| 23:14.22 | JeffM2501 | that's not saying you don't have any other open vectors, cus I don't know how your setup |
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| 23:17.29 | Thumper_ | hey JeffM2501 - I've got two more plugin "wishlist" functions - reload the banlist, and reload the masterban list (if you're bored and they're easy to do) ;) |
| 23:18.17 | anti-spam | jeff |
| 23:18.58 | JeffM2501 | jake |
| 23:19.04 | anti-spam | ? |
| 23:19.18 | JeffM2501 | you said my name, so I figured you wanted me to say yours |
| 23:19.19 | anti-spam | how you know my real nick name? |
| 23:19.27 | JeffM2501 | logic |
| 23:19.42 | anti-spam | oh |
| 23:19.47 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, add it to the post, I can try to do it when I have time |
| 23:19.51 | JeffM2501 | today I gots stuff to do |
| 23:20.08 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: ok thx |
| 23:20.41 | anti-spam | wouldnt it lag my computer really bad tho? |
| 23:21.02 | JeffM2501 | woudn't what? |
| 23:21.04 | JeffM2501 | runing a server? |
| 23:21.12 | anti-spam | yes |
| 23:21.24 | JeffM2501 | depends on your bandwith and computing resources |
| 23:21.28 | anti-spam | not just the game tho |
| 23:21.33 | JeffM2501 | depends on your bandwith and computing resources |
| 23:21.48 | anti-spam | ok ok........... liek verizon? |
| 23:21.56 | JeffM2501 | that's not enough info |
| 23:21.59 | JeffM2501 | I can't read your mind |
| 23:22.07 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to know your upstream and downstream bandwith |
| 23:22.13 | JeffM2501 | for your specific connection |
| 23:22.15 | anti-spam | you can read my ip =p |
| 23:22.26 | JeffM2501 | and how much CPU time the server takes up for you |
| 23:22.35 | JeffM2501 | the IP dosn't tell me your bandwith |
| 23:23.01 | JeffM2501 | perhaps you should learn how the internet works before you commit to running a server. |
| 23:23.23 | anti-spam | lol jk |
| 23:23.41 | JeffM2501 | right........ |
| 23:24.01 | anti-spam | i cant remember when i started a server, do you start the server, then open the firewall? |
| 23:24.22 | JeffM2501 | the route on your router is static |
| 23:24.27 | JeffM2501 | you set it up and leave it |
| 23:24.41 | anti-spam | so do it before? |
| 23:25.16 | JeffM2501 | you do it ONCE |
| 23:25.28 | anti-spam | ??? |
| 23:25.30 | JeffM2501 | again, perhaps you should learn how the internet and networking works, before you start a server. |
| 23:25.35 | anti-spam | i know that |
| 23:26.09 | anti-spam | i mean the ONCE thing |
| 23:26.26 | JeffM2501 | it dosnt' realy matter |
| 23:26.41 | anti-spam | ok....................... ill try |
| 23:26.43 | JeffM2501 | if the port is blocked at the router when you start the server, then noone can get to the server till you unblock it |
| 23:26.47 | JeffM2501 | think it out |
| 23:28.04 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: heh thanks for the promotion (on the forums) :D |
| 23:28.12 | JeffM2501 | you help out a lot :) |
| 23:29.57 | anti-spam | ugh |
| 23:30.09 | anti-spam | i dont want too now |
| 23:30.48 | anti-spam | maybe later (in months =p) |
| 23:30.54 | anti-spam | bye |
| 23:31.10 | JeffM2501 | personaly I don't think your ready for it |
| 23:34.40 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: is there a place we capture ideas for the next release that we haven't implemented yet but don't want to lose? |
| 23:34.52 | Thumper_ | which may or may never actually get implemented |
| 23:34.56 | JeffM2501 | enhancements |
| 23:35.01 | JeffM2501 | sf feature requests |
| 23:35.08 | JeffM2501 | bugging somone till they do it |
| 23:35.14 | Thumper_ | anyplace in CVS? |
| 23:35.19 | JeffM2501 | TODO |
| 23:35.27 | JeffM2501 | ideas.txt |
| 23:35.41 | Thumper_ | I've been thinking that the creation time on bans would be useful (esp. for permanent bans) |
| 23:36.07 | JeffM2501 | that would invalidate old banlists |
| 23:36.19 | JeffM2501 | tho we should probably version the banlist file |
| 23:36.20 | Thumper_ | only if it's required |
| 23:36.41 | JeffM2501 | old servers would probalby geek on the date |
| 23:36.44 | Thumper_ | but yes it would cause problems with older servers |
| 23:38.42 | JeffM2501 | it's not a bad thing to have |
| 23:39.07 | Thumper_ | or maybe some server flag that changes perm bans to 'long time bans' that eventually expire |
| 23:39.21 | Thumper_ | like bzfs --maxbantime=(1 year in seconds) |
| 23:39.50 | Thumper_ | and it just rewrites permanent bans into the future |
| 23:39.54 | JeffM2501 | or just turn bans into a plug-in that as a ton of options :) |
| 23:39.59 | Thumper_ | yup :) |
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| 23:40.27 | JeffM2501 | wonder if externalising it for advanced features would be the best way |
| 23:40.39 | JeffM2501 | then banlist updates can be done with out server version upgrades. |
| 23:41.06 | Thumper_ | I've had 'lose my bzadmin bansync process' on the todo list for ages and never get time to actually work on it :/ |
| 23:41.21 | Thumper_ | multi-server ban syncs would be _fast_ with the plugin api change |
| 23:41.53 | Thumper_ | and it wouldn't hiccup on list server outages etc |
| 23:42.19 | JeffM2501 | on I'm gonna do the reload |
| 23:42.29 | JeffM2501 | tho I think the torblock type system would be nice |
| 23:42.36 | JeffM2501 | where it polls from a web source |
| 23:42.43 | JeffM2501 | auto-reloading it |
| 23:42.55 | Thumper_ | i've had masterban reload problems where the server goes NR |
| 23:43.02 | Thumper_ | if the website serving the list is unavailable |
| 23:43.10 | Thumper_ | so I cache the banlist locally and grab it with curl |
| 23:43.31 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.53 | Thumper_ | but that was maybe a year ago now |
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| 23:45.13 | JeffM2501 | the torblock does it async :) |
| 23:45.23 | JeffM2501 | so it dosn't kill the server as it checks |
| 23:45.27 | JeffM2501 | gets the data in little chunks |
| 23:45.53 | Thumper_ | can the masterban reload do that too? |
| 23:46.02 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it's setup like that |
| 23:46.16 | JeffM2501 | cus the ban class wants it all loaded and finalised in one shot |
| 23:46.37 | JeffM2501 | torblock dosn't use the built in ban features at all |
| 23:46.52 | Thumper_ | ok - reloading from a local file permanently fixed the server NR issue on LaserMania (ages ago) |
| 23:46.59 | Thumper_ | so I've just been doing that for all servers ever since |
| 23:47.22 | JeffM2501 | take a look at torblock, you could mod it to pull from a php file easy |
| 23:47.35 | JeffM2501 | and have it implemnt a /globalban command that would send the data to the php |
| 23:47.45 | JeffM2501 | so you could keep all your bans in a database |
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| 23:48.24 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to secure it somehow, IP of the server, or some key passed in a run time. |
| 23:50.39 | Thumper_ | right now I just rewrite the local banfile (same as a server would) |
| 23:50.44 | Thumper_ | it's not all that pretty but it works fine :) |
| 23:51.01 | Thumper_ | and masterBanURL supports a local file URL |
| 23:51.40 | Thumper_ | so the only thing a plugin needs to do is check if the fstat() time on the banfile has changed then reload it. |