| 00:01.11 | Erroneous | and it uses mfc :P |
| 00:01.11 | JeffM2501 | it's nice for prototypes :) |
| 00:01.11 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:01.12 | JeffM2501 | and seting the font on a big edit text |
| 00:01.12 | JeffM2501 | AND I got the XP font smothing :) |
| 00:01.12 | JeffM2501 | but still, that's why I like the FTGL solution a lot better |
| 00:01.12 | JeffM2501 | it's clean |
| 00:01.44 | JeffM2501 | you don't get funky image based fonts, but we've never used them since we've had fontManger, so I dont' think it's a huge loss |
| 00:02.07 | Erroneous | I don't care for MFC...winforms is safer, less work, and almost as flexible, raw api is more powerful and almost as safe, just takes a bit more effort |
| 00:02.24 | JeffM2501 | winforms is the .net thing? |
| 00:02.29 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 00:03.09 | JeffM2501 | .net didn't exist then :) |
| 00:03.17 | Erroneous | sure it did :) |
| 00:03.38 | JeffM2501 | ok, well I didn' have VC7 |
| 00:03.39 | Erroneous | .net has been around for more than 5 years now |
| 00:03.53 | JeffM2501 | I realy need to learn it |
| 00:04.04 | Erroneous | do something in c# then :) |
| 00:04.05 | JeffM2501 | probably with C# |
| 00:04.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah I keep pondering it |
| 00:04.17 | JeffM2501 | need to find time to read a book on it |
| 00:06.33 | Erroneous | meh, just start playing with it |
| 00:06.43 | Erroneous | microsoft's docs won't make you puke too bad :) |
| 00:06.48 | JeffM2501 | I prefer at least an overview |
| 00:07.01 | JeffM2501 | I learned MFC from a book, not docs |
| 00:07.14 | JeffM2501 | heck techincaly C and C++ as well |
| 00:07.23 | JeffM2501 | when I came here all I knew was pascal |
| 00:07.27 | Erroneous | hm, maybe that's what I did wrong...microsoft's mfc docs are buggier than, well, mfc |
| 00:08.17 | Erroneous | I think the only language I learned from a book was vb3 |
| 00:09.02 | JeffM2501 | I think the book I learned C from is still in the dev library here :) |
| 00:09.52 | Erroneous | unless you count compiler manuals as a book...then I suppose I learned raw C from a book too. |
| 00:10.05 | Erroneous | mmm, borland |
| 00:10.12 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:10.17 | JeffM2501 | codwarrior :) |
| 00:10.22 | JeffM2501 | codewarrior even |
| 00:12.29 | purple_cow | link? |
| 00:12.34 | JeffM2501 | send to him |
| 00:12.43 | JeffM2501 | to read |
| 00:12.53 | JeffM2501 | link is not a good word to use as a verb :) |
| 00:13.04 | JeffM2501 | like "up" :) |
| 00:14.23 | JeffM2501 | ohh |
| 00:14.24 | JeffM2501 | duh |
| 00:14.38 | JeffM2501 | http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197002953 |
| 00:14.57 | JeffM2501 | the chart on page 3 basicly summs up a lot of the stuf I've been trying to say for years :) |
| 00:15.15 | JeffM2501 | sorry page 2 |
| 00:16.01 | JeffM2501 | tho 2 or 3 of them of them don't realy make sense for us. |
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| 00:18.06 | [NP]Tangent | [17:10:38] * anti-spam has quit (Client Quit) <-- THANK THE LORD! |
| 00:18.31 | JeffM2501 | be nice |
| 00:18.46 | JeffM2501 | he's just trying to work out why noone will help him anymore |
| 00:18.56 | JeffM2501 | since he can't seem to take a hint |
| 00:20.59 | [NP]Tangent | he keeps telling me to host his maps |
| 00:21.06 | [NP]Tangent | I keep telling him I only put good maps on my rotations |
| 00:21.10 | JeffM2501 | did you tell him no? |
| 00:21.35 | [NP]Tangent | I told him his maps would be better if they contained less than 200 pyramids each |
| 00:21.51 | JeffM2501 | specificly did you tell him "no" |
| 00:21.56 | JeffM2501 | and he's still buging you? |
| 00:22.42 | [NP]Tangent | I told him no on two different maps |
| 00:22.47 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:22.51 | [NP]Tangent | then I offered suggestions to make them better |
| 00:22.58 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 00:23.00 | [NP]Tangent | trying to be helpful, at least. |
| 00:23.06 | [NP]Tangent | I feel bad for the guy, though. |
| 00:23.22 | JeffM2501 | sometimes that's the only way they learn |
| 00:23.36 | JeffM2501 | he need to get that quantity dosn't = quality |
| 00:23.39 | purple_cow | pff |
| 00:23.41 | purple_cow | learning |
| 00:23.47 | JeffM2501 | learning is for girls! |
| 00:24.48 | [NP]Tangent | um, Jeff... |
| 00:24.49 | [NP]Tangent | [17:02:21] (@JeffM2501) I think the book I learned C from is still in the dev library here :) |
| 00:24.57 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:24.59 | [NP]Tangent | which statement should I ignore? |
| 00:25.01 | [NP]Tangent | :D |
| 00:25.37 | [NP]Tangent | I'll remember you said that. |
| 00:25.46 | JeffM2501 | It isn't the first, it won't be the last |
| 00:26.00 | [NP]Tangent | Probably won't be. We do, after all, have CBG around... |
| 00:26.01 | spldart | O... MG! |
| 00:26.17 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:26.18 | spldart | Hopefully that's the random quote on the stats page |
| 00:26.36 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it does /me |
| 00:26.43 | JeffM2501 | ibot stats |
| 00:26.45 | ibot | Since Fri Jan 26 23:20:31 2007, there have been 103 modifications, 1512 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1272 commands. I have been awake for 10d 1h 6m 12s this session, and currently reference 112489 factoids. I'm using about 19428 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 37779.81/2486.91 child 0.04/0.01 |
| 00:26.48 | spldart | ah |
| 00:26.52 | JeffM2501 | what is the link? |
| 00:27.37 | spldart | http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 00:28.50 | JeffM2501 | I'm not even on the list for yesterday |
| 00:28.51 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 00:30.26 | JeffM2501 | musta been a slow day at a max of 113 lines |
| 00:30.53 | JeffM2501 | and 2 of the top links are real IRC clients :) |
| 00:32.23 | spldart | hehe |
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| 01:06.17 | JR | man i got kicked off a sever |
| 01:07.07 | [NP]Tangent | and you are telling us this because...? |
| 01:07.19 | JR | i dont know |
| 01:07.35 | purple_cow | who else would he tell? |
| 01:07.37 | [NP]Tangent | should I complain to someone with you? |
| 01:07.51 | [NP]Tangent | purple_cow: WHY DID YOU KICK HIM OFF!? |
| 01:08.01 | JR | naw |
| 01:08.06 | purple_cow | dude, you know I haven't played in years |
| 01:08.16 | [NP]Tangent | :o |
| 01:08.16 | purple_cow | I just sit here and make snarky comments at JeffM2501 |
| 01:08.18 | [NP]Tangent | liez. |
| 01:08.33 | ViciousMuffin | he does play. |
| 01:08.40 | ViciousMuffin | I have seen it with my eyes. |
| 01:08.44 | JR | whos good? |
| 01:08.46 | [NP]Tangent | me too |
| 01:08.50 | ViciousMuffin | ... |
| 01:09.54 | [NP]Tangent | ...? |
| 01:10.05 | Erroneous | ! |
| 01:10.15 | [NP]Tangent | agreed. |
| 01:10.29 | Erroneous | disagreeing is more fun |
| 01:10.32 | ViciousMuffin | ~ |
| 01:11.15 | [NP]Tangent | Well that's a given. |
| 01:11.19 | [NP]Tangent | But I've had my fun for the day. |
| 01:12.46 | ViciousMuffin | I hardly ever have fun |
| 01:12.54 | ViciousMuffin | :P |
| 01:16.25 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, you've made snarky comments at brlcad and Erroneous as well :) |
| 01:16.52 | JeffM2501 | equal oportunity snarker |
| 01:17.25 | JR | latta |
| 01:17.54 | JeffM2501 | why did you get kicked off a server? |
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| 01:19.22 | spldart | Dude I got kicked off!.... that one way ticket train server... apparently it detected me where I shouldn't be hehe |
| 01:20.50 | jr | i got kicked off when i said 1 word that i wasnt allowed to say |
| 01:21.09 | JeffM2501 | then what's the problem? |
| 01:21.37 | jr | well i think it was bs cause its not that bad of a word |
| 01:21.49 | JeffM2501 | it's there server, there rules, they can do what they want. |
| 01:22.09 | jr | yay but i still think its bs |
| 01:23.32 | JeffM2501 | quite possibly, but that still dosn't explain why you would come here and talk about it. |
| 01:23.46 | jr | yay true |
| 01:23.54 | jr | hey whos good? |
| 01:24.52 | JeffM2501 | there are many definitions of that term. |
| 01:25.04 | jr | wat term? |
| 01:25.09 | JeffM2501 | "good" |
| 01:25.29 | JeffM2501 | check the stats site for the top scoring players |
| 01:25.55 | purple_cow | It's spelled "what". The time saved by not typing a single letter is not worth sacrificing your dignity |
| 01:26.46 | jr | w.e. |
| 01:26.57 | JeffM2501 | can you not speak english well? |
| 01:27.06 | jr | mmhmm |
| 01:27.12 | jr | yes i can |
| 01:27.16 | JeffM2501 | then why don't you? |
| 01:27.23 | jr | does this prove it |
| 01:27.39 | jr | cause i dont really feel like it |
| 01:27.40 | JeffM2501 | that, or you have an AOL kiddie -> english translator program. |
| 01:27.59 | JeffM2501 | ahh so we are not worth your full concentration then? |
| 01:28.30 | jr | beats me |
| 01:28.41 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it does. I'm sure it does. |
| 01:30.13 | jr | mmmmmmmmm whatever |
| 01:35.41 | jr | i need a battle |
| 01:36.33 | JeffM2501 | whatever. |
| 01:39.26 | jr | mmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmm' |
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| 01:51.07 | SportChick | sheesh |
| 01:53.19 | spldart | lolol |
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| 02:43.11 | spldart | mmMMmm pwnt rabbithunt |
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| 15:33.19 | CBG | How reliable is /lagstats data? |
| 15:34.26 | CBG | On a scale of 1-10 with 10 being always perfect...? Above 5 ? |
| 15:36.53 | CBG | Above 2? |
| 15:37.28 | donny_baker | is there a question of it's accuracy? |
| 15:37.38 | donny_baker | ive always found it to be reliable |
| 15:40.31 | CBG | I've always had suspicions. |
| 15:41.03 | CBG | Just now, on hepcat, there was one player who seemed more laggy than those with 150ms+ yet lagstats said he had only 20ms... :/ |
| 15:41.41 | donny_baker | regular pings to the same server for me generally return similar results |
| 15:44.08 | donny_baker | hepcat i show 100... ping 97 |
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| 18:45.38 | spldart | Tell yah what... If a player is good and has some lag that they know how to use they can't be nearly unstoppable 8-0 |
| 18:45.48 | spldart | s/can/cant |
| 18:46.13 | Birdie | lag goes both ways, never forget that:) |
| 18:46.17 | spldart | hehe |
| 18:46.41 | JBdiGriz | Lag should go both ways. Artificial lag can be used in many ways. |
| 18:47.28 | spldart | dude I was goin after was never where he appeared... |
| 18:47.50 | Birdie | jitter? |
| 18:47.55 | spldart | nope |
| 18:47.58 | JBdiGriz | Was he able to always shoot you, so he knew where you were? |
| 18:48.16 | spldart | Seemed too... I figured he was just compensating well |
| 18:48.27 | spldart | I was <100ms myself |
| 18:48.43 | spldart | he was 250-350mx |
| 18:48.52 | spldart | Was given us all fits trying to hit |
| 18:49.06 | spldart | but was killing us good hehe |
| 18:49.20 | JBdiGriz | Are you fairly consistent in your movements? |
| 18:49.30 | spldart | He kept moving and weaving |
| 18:50.02 | spldart | I'm consistent enough when I'm shooting others in the >150ms range... and laggers I can usually lead well enough |
| 18:50.10 | JBdiGriz | You could always use the local collision detection to determine what his collision detection area was like. |
| 18:50.11 | RatOmeter | do you suppose if he was using up all his up bandwidth (picture seeding a torrent) and his downlink was clear that something like this might happen? |
| 18:50.17 | spldart | But this guy knew never to hold a course so it was real hard for gamestate to show him actual |
| 18:50.45 | JBdiGriz | You shouldn't be holding a course either, so he shouldn't know your actual state either. |
| 18:50.59 | spldart | true.. but with him it was way worse |
| 18:51.36 | spldart | How do I do the collision detecting thing? |
| 18:52.00 | JBdiGriz | Enable it in the build, and then drive with him as an observer. |
| 18:52.13 | spldart | I should have probably killed my torrent too :-)... I coulda dropped to >70ms |
| 18:52.16 | JeffM2501 | it's enabled in the build by default, if your using a 2.0.9 |
| 18:52.16 | spldart | OH!!! |
| 18:52.31 | JeffM2501 | just set the extended observer info to it's highest value |
| 18:52.35 | spldart | is it in the 2.0.9 windows build? |
| 18:52.42 | spldart | okies |
| 18:52.42 | JBdiGriz | It will use your local collision detection area to calculate the probability, and then you have to work with statistics beyond that. |
| 18:52.43 | JeffM2501 | if you have one of the last ones, yes |
| 18:53.01 | spldart | I'l have to try that next time.. interesting |
| 18:53.26 | JBdiGriz | I have noted that it is very accurate on low jitter targets, but I tend to have < 30ms jitter when I'm using it. |
| 18:54.01 | JBdiGriz | On high jitter targets, I need some assistance from other admins to get better statistics. |
| 18:54.30 | RatOmeter | does anyone provide binaries from cvs source? |
| 18:54.51 | RatOmeter | ie, I'd like to download the latest build, not build it meself ;) |
| 18:54.56 | JeffM2501 | beta.bzflag.bz/builds/ |
| 18:54.58 | JBdiGriz | It depends on how nice you are to them. |
| 18:55.04 | JeffM2501 | then 2.0.x and 2.1.x |
| 18:55.08 | RatOmeter | tanks! |
| 18:55.43 | RatOmeter | I'll be *very* nice to them... just not while playing bzflag ;) |
| 18:55.59 | spldart | 2.0.9s8? |
| 18:56.06 | spldart | extended observer info? |
| 18:58.02 | JeffM2501 | its in the gui options |
| 18:59.02 | spldart | found it and very cool |
| 19:09.09 | RatOmeter | [offtopic]: I found a weird glitch in microsoft flight sim 9. I upgraded my PC from 1GB RAM to 2GB, then MS FS wouldn't run. Complained that there was not enough memory available |
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| 19:33.37 | spldart | hehe |
| 19:35.03 | spldart | Stupid microsquash is so used to 'jackboot'ing the competition it's funny when it trips over it's own :) |
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| 20:28.06 | donny_baker | jeffm2501: is the oberver mode stuff yours? |
| 20:39.13 | JeffM2501 | yes and no |
| 20:39.34 | JeffM2501 | I did not come up wiht some of the origonal ideas, but I implemented and modified them into the build we had now |
| 20:39.50 | tannerld | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 20:40.08 | JeffM2501 | I wouodn't trust the info THAT much tho |
| 20:40.20 | JeffM2501 | as it is affected not just by there lag, but also your lag. |
| 20:40.36 | donny_baker | ok, but it does help to quantify |
| 20:40.38 | JeffM2501 | so it's not a surefire way to detect a bad client |
| 20:40.39 | tannerld | yeah |
| 20:40.46 | JeffM2501 | no it dosn't even do that, cus the qunaity's are wrong |
| 20:41.11 | JeffM2501 | there are many ways to get "bad" numbers from legit clients. |
| 20:41.18 | donny_baker | ok |
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| 20:41.58 | JeffM2501 | if we could detect bad values even 95% of the time, we'd move that stuff to the server and jsut have it warn and kick |
| 20:42.26 | JeffM2501 | basicly it gives you something to see to help back up a gut instinct |
| 20:42.31 | JeffM2501 | and take the 'eyeball" out of it |
| 20:42.51 | JeffM2501 | sometimes people look like they are going too fast, but that's just the eye. |
| 20:43.13 | donny_baker | right that is what i meant |
| 20:43.16 | JeffM2501 | the hit detection is the least accurate of it all, just based on the nature of how it works. |
| 20:43.30 | donny_baker | right, i didn't even look at that |
| 20:43.57 | JeffM2501 | well just be sure you don't assume the reverse, that if they are going too fast on your secreen they are going to fast on there screen too |
| 20:44.02 | donny_baker | usually the question i am worried about is how fast are they turning and or driving |
| 20:44.36 | JeffM2501 | both of those values are faked by any real cheat client. |
| 20:45.19 | donny_baker | but aren't you calculating those base on the observers perspective? |
| 20:45.39 | JeffM2501 | no, they are from the velocity vector sent by the client |
| 20:45.58 | donny_baker | oh then i understand better |
| 20:46.02 | JeffM2501 | the "apperant speed" is computed based on positional updates, and is heavlay affected by lag. |
| 20:46.12 | donny_baker | that makes sense |
| 20:46.22 | donny_baker | thanks for clarifying |
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| 22:27.51 | RatOmeter | got a question for graphics programmer types: in windows on a dual head computer (1 video card, 2 monitors, one on the VGA port, one on the DVI port), I can run bzflag full screen on one, but if I change "focus" to an app window on the other display, BZFlag minimizes. |
| 22:28.40 | JeffM2501 | that is how bz is coded to work |
| 22:28.53 | JeffM2501 | we minimise on deactivate |
| 22:28.54 | RatOmeter | Just as if I had ALT-Tabbed to another app on a single screen setup. Isn't there some way to change that behavior, even if I means a change in the source? |
| 22:29.05 | JeffM2501 | yes there |
| 22:29.12 | JeffM2501 | it's a config option |
| 22:29.32 | JeffM2501 | let me find it |
| 22:29.40 | JeffM2501 | I added cus the minimise can screw up my debugin |
| 22:30.07 | RatOmeter | I would imagine |
| 22:30.39 | JeffM2501 | I just forgot what I called it :) |
| 22:30.51 | JeffM2501 | that was common |
| 22:32.33 | JeffM2501 | add set Win32NoMin 1 in your config |
| 22:32.44 | RatOmeter | good, thanks! |
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| 22:46.56 | RatOmeter | JeffM2501: that would be ..\My BZFlag Files\2.0\config.cfg or is that a compile-time thing? |
| 22:47.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah there |
| 22:47.09 | JeffM2501 | how old is your client? |
| 22:47.19 | RatOmeter | Hmmmm |
| 22:47.31 | RatOmeter | tyring it with 2.0.9s8 ;) |
| 22:47.40 | JeffM2501 | probably dosn't have it |
| 22:48.02 | JeffM2501 | can you build your own from CVS? |
| 22:48.21 | JeffM2501 | if not I can bust you out a client bin |
| 22:49.07 | RatOmeter | what about 2.1.11.3? |
| 22:49.16 | JeffM2501 | dunno if I did it in 2.1 |
| 22:51.09 | JeffM2501 | I can make you an exe of the client |
| 22:51.17 | JeffM2501 | I can't do a full kit, no curses here. |
| 22:51.24 | RatOmeter | nope. Could I have a new-from-cvs win32 client exe, pretty please? ;) |
| 22:51.31 | JeffM2501 | it's building |
| 22:51.42 | RatOmeter | much thanks |
| 22:55.30 | RatOmeter | JeffM2501, I must leave to pick up my kids in about 5 minutes. I can check back in an hour or 2 if that's OK with you |
| 22:56.16 | JeffM2501 | I'll be gone |
| 22:56.23 | JeffM2501 | I'll put it in the beta builds dir |
| 22:56.26 | JeffM2501 | with todays date |
| 22:56.57 | RatOmeter | thanks again :) |
| 22:58.08 | Erroneous | 2.1 reads its config from the bzflag files\2.2 directory anyway |
| 22:58.10 | JeffM2501 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.x/bzflag2.0.9.02.06.2007_client.zip |
| 22:58.18 | JeffM2501 | that it does. |
| 22:58.43 | RatOmeter | excellent! |
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| 23:42.07 | WAILZ | hello, i need some help |
| 23:42.12 | WAILZ | i am new to bzflag |
| 23:42.16 | WAILZ | can some one help me |
| 23:42.20 | CBG | With? |
| 23:42.53 | WAILZ | ok |
| 23:42.56 | WAILZ | i tried to get on |
| 23:43.01 | WAILZ | it says i need an um |
| 23:43.12 | WAILZ | callsign |
| 23:43.14 | WAILZ | and password |
| 23:43.22 | JBdiGriz | ~ask |
| 23:43.24 | ibot | [ask] Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 23:43.46 | CBG | You can use anything as your callsign and leave the password blank for now. |
| 23:43.53 | WAILZ | ok |
| 23:44.16 | CBG | Though some servers may require you to register at the forums to play and/or talk... my.bzflag.org/bb |
| 23:44.37 | CBG | If you register there, use the username and password as the callsign and password in the game. |
| 23:47.07 | WAILZ | register where? |
| 23:47.24 | Erroneous | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 23:47.28 | WAILZ | ok |
| 23:47.36 | WAILZ | i got a bunch of friends that wanna play too |
| 23:47.40 | WAILZ | so im tryint o figure it out |
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| 23:55.09 | WAILZ | ~ask |
| 23:55.18 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, ask is Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. See also ... |
| 23:55.43 | WAILZ | ~ask how come it says server started when i try to connect but nothing happens |
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| 23:57.24 | JBdiGriz | Did you select "Start Server"? |
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| 23:57.35 | WAILZ | yes |
| 23:57.49 | WAILZ | i hit the start button |
| 23:57.55 | WAILZ | under it it says server started |
| 23:58.00 | WAILZ | but my screen is still dimmed |
| 23:58.11 | CBG | Did you JOIN the server? |
| 23:58.18 | JBdiGriz | so you started a server on your machine. When you search for a server, your localhost should be available to connect. |
| 23:58.44 | randomparticle | loopback interface working? |
| 23:58.53 | WAILZ | i dont know what that is |
| 23:59.06 | WAILZ | and i saw localhost and connected but no one was around |
| 23:59.13 | WAILZ | i thought id change servers |
| 23:59.28 | JBdiGriz | Are you surprised that nobody else has joined the server that you just started? |
| 23:59.42 | WAILZ | no |