| 00:00.43 | treadbaron | their concept is to build a platform that includes everyone but they have done so in a way that excludes almost everyone |
| 00:00.55 | treadbaron | their concept is to build a platform that includes everyone but they have done so in a way that excludes almost everyone |
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| 00:01.24 | treadbaron | their concept is to build a platform that includes everyone but they have done so in a way that excludes almost everyone |
| 00:01.29 | treadbaron | hmm |
| 00:01.31 | mebigfatguy | hmm |
| 00:01.39 | spldart | hmm |
| 00:01.40 | Theme97 | hmm |
| 00:01.46 | PuMpErNiCkEl | hmm |
| 00:01.49 | L4m3r | mhh |
| 00:02.18 | inchworm | hehe |
| 00:02.18 | spldart | Last chair... go home! |
| 00:02.46 | inchworm | spldart: you have been missing the fun |
| 00:02.59 | spldart | meh... wah fun? |
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| 00:03.08 | tread2 | hmmm |
| 00:03.25 | tread2 | I posted this but it didnt show up: |
| 00:03.28 | tread2 | their concept is to build a platform that includes everyone but they have done so in a way that excludes almost everyone |
| 00:03.42 | mebigfatguy | wow, rather big echo |
| 00:03.51 | SpazzyMcGee | you posted it 4 times |
| 00:03.52 | mebigfatguy | this room is biger than i thought |
| 00:03.54 | spldart | Is it just me or is it really hard to find a mouse you like.. and you have to try 'on' like 30 to 50 of them just to be happy |
| 00:03.58 | tread2 | sorry if that showed up 4 o5v x |
| 00:04.37 | tread2 | for some reason it didnt show in firefox |
| 00:11.32 | CBG | ~L4m3r++ |
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| 00:11.45 | L4m3r | say what? |
| 00:11.46 | Scoaz | hi |
| 00:12.00 | Scoaz | that u are a lamer |
| 00:12.04 | Scoaz | :° |
| 00:12.07 | CBG | ~L4m3r++ |
| 00:12.08 | tread2 | just out of curiosity, because yiou have pretty much said that the bz platform is not nearly as good as it could be, where are the weaknesses? what platform would you use now if you were going to recreate bz? |
| 00:12.33 | L4m3r | ~karma |
| 00:12.33 | ibot | l4m3r has karma of 32 |
| 00:13.28 | CBG | ~karma shorty114 |
| 00:13.29 | ibot | shorty114 has karma of -444 |
| 00:13.29 | L4m3r | tread2: if it was me, I'd use some sort of popular (and powerful) engine |
| 00:13.32 | L4m3r | rather than the crude-ish homebrew one bzflag has now |
| 00:13.48 | L4m3r | I believe Jeff has tinkered with this also |
| 00:14.06 | tread2 | ah cool |
| 00:14.32 | Scoaz | someone know how to activate the UDP ? I can't find it on tOption |
| 00:15.00 | CBG | Scoaz: this issue was dealt with in the forum very recently |
| 00:15.02 | tread2 | maybe i am asking what are the most difficult things to make work in the bz world? |
| 00:15.23 | Scoaz | oh ok, thanks CBG |
| 00:15.56 | Flash | spldart: I like my Microsoft Intellimouse |
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| 00:16.10 | Flash | the only thing from Microsoft I'm likely to endorse ;-) |
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| 00:32.19 | spldart | I used to use those microsoft mouses.... |
| 00:32.39 | spldart | but when they start messing up they do more to freak out a pc than any other mouse I've ever used |
| 00:32.42 | spldart | :-0 |
| 00:33.06 | spldart | Got a Micro Inovations mouse today cuz it felt best in my hand... but still kinda suxors |
| 00:36.56 | Flash | oh... your problem is you have a PC ;-) |
| 00:37.30 | inchworm | Flash: not nice man, taunting the poor guy like that :P |
| 00:37.53 | Flash | spldart: how about some silvercat? |
| 00:37.54 | spldart | uh... what else can you use? |
| 00:38.03 | Flash | a Mac of course ;-) |
| 00:38.04 | inchworm | spldart: Sun! |
| 00:38.12 | Flash | oooooh... Sun at home? |
| 00:38.18 | spldart | umm.. PC = machine to load your OS onto |
| 00:38.22 | inchworm | um note yet |
| 00:38.25 | inchworm | *not |
| 00:38.43 | spldart | All 'PC's' |
| 00:38.45 | inchworm | opensolaris isn't too bad, but i can't afford sun |
| 00:38.48 | spldart | here are dual boot |
| 00:38.57 | spldart | well.. except for the linux onlys |
| 00:39.15 | spldart | no silver right now.. was on my server for a bit |
| 00:39.45 | Flash | 2.0.x server? |
| 00:40.04 | inchworm | used a sun enough at work that now i remap all the keyboards to swap capslock and control |
| 00:40.29 | spldart | was playing my wartowers 2.0.x but I'm doin some video editing work right now |
| 00:40.42 | spldart | I'll be on silver later I promise! |
| 00:43.06 | spldart | I love silvercat |
| 00:43.35 | spldart | As much as I used to love spiralzone early last year |
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| 00:50.43 | spldart | Spah! Lit! |
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| 00:55.35 | biggeruniverse | treadbaron is talking about interactive 3D worlds of the 1980s |
| 00:55.39 | biggeruniverse | *was |
| 00:55.54 | biggeruniverse | I could change the way we interact! |
| 00:56.03 | spldart | uh oh |
| 00:56.12 | inchworm | ? |
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| 00:56.33 | inchworm | it was sorta fun for the first 30 minutes |
| 00:56.37 | L4m3r | we chased him off |
| 00:56.39 | inchworm | after that |
| 00:56.42 | inchworm | eh |
| 00:56.51 | L4m3r | "WHERE ARE THE VISIONARIES?!" |
| 00:56.54 | biggeruniverse | look what the future will hold: microwaves! for the kitchen of the future! flying cars! 3D worlds that will change the way we interact! |
| 00:56.56 | L4m3r | douchnugget |
| 00:57.07 | spldart | LOL |
| 00:57.07 | L4m3r | douchenugget* |
| 00:57.27 | biggeruniverse | robots to do all your work for you! the matrix! |
| 00:57.43 | L4m3r | "Don't you want more possibilities!" |
| 00:57.45 | biggeruniverse | cordless phones! |
| 00:57.54 | CBG | What?!? |
| 00:58.08 | biggeruniverse | wireless paging devices! automatic garage doors! |
| 00:58.46 | spldart | "Dogs and Cats... living together... Mass Hysteria!!! |
| 00:58.51 | biggeruniverse | In the future, computers will make our lives easier, so we have more time for our families of happy spouse & 2.5 children! |
| 00:59.16 | spldart | damn... I blew that statistic out of the water |
| 00:59.24 | biggeruniverse | who eat food from the "microwave" and watch televison on "laser disks" |
| 00:59.35 | L4m3r | laserdiscs! |
| 00:59.44 | L4m3r | I watched those in, like, 1997! |
| 01:00.05 | spldart | I have laserdiscs and two players :) |
| 01:00.08 | L4m3r | (yes, underfunded elementary schools use very old technology) |
| 01:00.09 | biggeruniverse | yeah, that's when "3D worlds that will change the way we interact" were popular too |
| 01:00.21 | L4m3r | heh |
| 01:00.26 | spldart | remember those old video disks? took and stylus and playing mechanism was like a turntable |
| 01:00.30 | spldart | stylus pickup |
| 01:00.35 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 01:00.49 | L4m3r | well, "3D words" would have been a lot more interesting than myspace |
| 01:00.51 | biggeruniverse | I remember they made them into a mobile for the library |
| 01:01.13 | biggeruniverse | yeah |
| 01:01.13 | biggeruniverse | esp. if you could make your own avatar |
| 01:01.21 | L4m3r | "ugly webpages with bad emo music will change the way we interact!" |
| 01:01.32 | biggeruniverse | haha |
| 01:01.40 | biggeruniverse | no, everyone will use VRML |
| 01:01.58 | biggeruniverse | we'll all surf the web in three dimensions! |
| 01:02.32 | biggeruniverse | once I realized what threadbarren was talking about, I quit trying |
| 01:02.35 | L4m3r | I think two dimensions has proved to be too many for the average luser |
| 01:02.45 | biggeruniverse | I didn't feel like hurting his feelings tho |
| 01:02.52 | biggeruniverse | hehe |
| 01:03.47 | biggeruniverse | anyway, if computers perfectly emulated the real world, who would use them? The real world is much cheaper to interact in |
| 01:04.08 | biggeruniverse | the would point is simplification of tasks |
| 01:04.52 | biggeruniverse | *the whole |
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| 01:05.43 | [dmp] | Chestal: ping |
| 01:06.25 | [dmp] | ibot: seen menotume |
| 01:06.32 | ibot | menotume <n=George@71.225.151.82> was last seen on IRC in channel #kierra, 71d 8h 41m 30s ago, saying: 'i hope to have my old 400Mhz pc in good shape by tomorrow'. |
| 01:06.48 | spldart | I remember that |
| 01:08.23 | [dmp] | i think its safe to assume that he isnt around :) |
| 01:08.44 | biggeruniverse | nothing is safe |
| 01:08.45 | biggeruniverse | <.< |
| 01:08.47 | biggeruniverse | >.> |
| 01:09.23 | Scoaz | ~karma |
| 01:09.23 | ibot | scoaz has neutral karma |
| 01:09.26 | spldart | wait a minute |
| 01:09.55 | spldart | I remember that line... by memory it seems verbatim.... but it wasn't on that channel and that long ago... I are teh confused |
| 01:17.49 | spldart | Anyone had a problem with a player 'TheSpanishInquisition' ? I had a complaint on my server but the source is questionable. |
| 01:17.59 | spldart | Had a ban too |
| 01:26.29 | a_meteorite | seems like a cool guy whenever I saw him |
| 01:26.30 | L4m3r | never had any major issue... who was complaining? |
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| 01:45.27 | tankzilla | heeeelooooooooooooooooo |
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| 01:51.19 | spldart | I'll not ban then |
| 01:51.25 | spldart | I didn't see it |
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| 02:08.27 | spldart | Zapata loves his TH flag :-) |
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| 02:22.19 | spldart | dude... I knew I wasn't feeling well.... got a pooping fever |
| 02:22.39 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 02:27.18 | SpazzyMcGee | this is just too much to bare: http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dabestwankerma7.jpg |
| 02:36.41 | tannerld | SpazzyMcGee: run! |
| 02:37.15 | SpazzyMcGee | or |
| 02:38.28 | spldart | nope... no runs |
| 02:38.34 | spldart | just a shiver shiver fever |
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| 02:49.25 | AAA_awright | I need some way to shutdown a server without joining it. |
| 02:49.33 | AAA_awright | and without killing the process. |
| 02:50.10 | AAA_awright | I *used* to connect without joining and sending MsgMessage, but that was disabled in CVS. |
| 02:51.44 | AAA_awright | Sugguestions? |
| 03:00.35 | spldart | hrm |
| 03:01.13 | spldart | can a shutdown be affected via custom plugin.. and can a custom plugin respond to external input.. say a script on the local machine |
| 03:01.49 | a_meteorite | spldart: do you mean if a plugin can shutdown a server? |
| 03:02.01 | spldart | yeah... is that a possibility? |
| 03:02.06 | a_meteorite | and, yes, it could respond to external input with something like ipc |
| 03:02.08 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 03:02.20 | a_meteorite | BZ_API void bz_shutdown() |
| 03:02.22 | blast007 | make an rcon plugin |
| 03:02.26 | blast007 | (remote console) |
| 03:02.29 | spldart | then that would seem to be AAA_awrights answer |
| 03:02.49 | blast007 | still, I think he was trying to avoid needing a plugin :) |
| 03:02.54 | spldart | oh |
| 03:02.55 | spldart | my bad |
| 03:02.59 | spldart | why? |
| 03:03.09 | spldart | Is he still jonesing for a bug in the code? |
| 03:03.16 | spldart | Or was that someone else? |
| 03:03.42 | blast007 | he was using the bug before where he could send /password and /shutdownserver without doing a full join |
| 03:03.53 | spldart | ah... thoughtso |
| 03:03.55 | blast007 | we "fixed" that now ;) |
| 03:04.04 | spldart | Time for a PLUGIN AAA :) |
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| 03:05.09 | spldart | I assume this is 2.0 cvs that got "fixed" |
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| 03:15.31 | AAA_awright | The whole goal of my project was to make plugins OPTIONAL |
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| 03:34.16 | spldart | You want an option... |
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| 03:56.33 | AAA_awright | I guess... |
| 03:57.09 | AAA_awright | I can set the script to join as a tank and add a new config option. |
| 03:58.58 | a_temp_dist | CTF is getting players now - bzpm.com:4242 |
| 03:59.09 | spldart | well... point was a script could kill the server without joining |
| 03:59.10 | a_temp_dist | sry wrong channel |
| 04:02.55 | spldart | I wonder if it would be possible to add a feature in the code to prevent an oppossing teammember from spawing on your flag while it's in play.... it's sux's to fight a pitch battle to clear them away from your flag and go to grab it just to have another one spawn there all lucky and make off with it |
| 04:03.24 | spldart | IB.... It's the fortunes of war. |
| 04:04.23 | AAA_awright | I believe the server decides a good place to sprawn |
| 04:04.32 | AAA_awright | so you could... |
| 04:05.17 | spldart | .........write a plugin.... |
| 04:05.43 | AAA_awright | it already won't put you in front of a bullet or tank, or near a SW |
| 04:05.56 | AAA_awright | adding other team flag to the list wouldn't be hard |
| 04:06.04 | L4m3r | not really |
| 04:06.13 | spldart | hrm... not in front of a bullet? I've spawned and died numerous times in less than a second cuz I was in front of a bullet |
| 04:06.25 | AAA_awright | I can find the source... somwehere |
| 04:06.30 | L4m3r | you can alter the spawn pos via the API but you don't have access to that algorithm afaik |
| 04:06.47 | L4m3r | so you have to reinvent the wheel, essentially |
| 04:06.49 | AAA_awright | there is a chance that it will put you whereever it can, even in danger, but that is rare |
| 04:06.53 | spldart | strangely it happens on some servers more than others |
| 04:07.01 | AAA_awright | I could explain why |
| 04:07.03 | AAA_awright | :) |
| 04:07.12 | L4m3r | spldart: it does try to help with shots, but the server state is not complete enough to track rico |
| 04:07.25 | L4m3r | so once a shot ricos the server doesn't know it's there |
| 04:07.42 | spldart | oh... I'm not talking rico.. cuz hep borrego is a big one for getting killed before I can dodge |
| 04:07.57 | spldart | meh thought |
| 04:08.04 | spldart | I'm just whining |
| 04:08.14 | spldart | stupid fever |
| 04:08.23 | spldart | and stupid work tomorrow |
| 04:08.48 | AAA_awright | the server won't put near server edges, you could put flags there o.o |
| 04:09.10 | spldart | hehe.. could line all dangerous spawn zones with SW flags? |
| 04:09.35 | spldart | coat the whole map and not be able to spawn |
| 04:09.35 | spldart | lol |
| 04:09.58 | AAA_awright | If the server can't find a place to put you in 10ms, it, and I quote |
| 04:10.06 | AAA_awright | "Warning: DefaultSpawnPolicy ran out of time, just dropping the sucker in" |
| 04:10.12 | spldart | LMAO |
| 04:12.08 | L4m3r | yup |
| 04:12.35 | spldart | Moral to the story... I'mma sucker to often |
| 04:12.40 | AAA_awright | :) |
| 04:12.41 | spldart | :-( |
| 04:13.46 | AAA_awright | that is why sprawn camping with L usually dosn't work out, tanks don't sprawn in the line of sight |
| 04:14.44 | spldart | Ah... except for the sucker drop policy... In that case I've added the suck to sucker a few times with L |
| 04:18.04 | AAA_awright | aah, this still may not work out... |
| 04:18.24 | AAA_awright | I need to be able to see what plugins a server has loaded without joining... |
| 04:18.39 | AAA_awright | that is another feature the BZFlag Admin interface uses |
| 04:18.59 | AAA_awright | without joining it runs /password and /listplugins |
| 04:19.08 | AAA_awright | now that is gone too :( |
| 04:19.59 | Flash | what is so bad about joining? |
| 04:20.33 | Flash | do you want random scripts trying to hack /password? |
| 04:21.45 | AAA_awright | Flash: no, and remember /password has a retry limit |
| 04:22.02 | blast007 | AAA_awright: yeah, but you can't ban them |
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| 04:22.29 | AAA_awright | at the connection level, no |
| 04:22.31 | blast007 | nor can you get their IP, unless you have log access |
| 04:22.37 | blast007 | no, I mean, in game |
| 04:22.46 | blast007 | bans aren't processed at that point |
| 04:22.55 | AAA_awright | (what I said) |
| 04:22.58 | blast007 | AAA_awright: you must have missed the spam attack |
| 04:23.15 | AAA_awright | I saw the thread about that |
| 04:23.54 | AAA_awright | And I was probably the first one to discover the hack as well... I used it on a constant basis to run /password |
| 04:24.12 | AAA_awright | (first, probably not) |
| 04:24.33 | blast007 | it was a bug, we fixed it, now you have to work around it :) |
| 04:24.53 | blast007 | or make it into a legitimate feature |
| 04:24.53 | AAA_awright | I know a half-dozen bugs. |
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| 04:25.13 | AAA_awright | For example, sending messages as administrators :) |
| 04:25.22 | blast007 | ? |
| 04:25.26 | AAA_awright | (did I just say that... in #bzflag... eek) |
| 04:25.50 | AAA_awright | I an trying to fix all that stuff (in the 4 days I have free) |
| 04:26.09 | AAA_awright | just to make sure that you can still easily collect stats |
| 04:30.05 | AAA_awright | sending messages to other teams, that is self-explanatory... |
| 04:30.16 | AAA_awright | um... and four top-secret bugs |
| 04:30.29 | AAA_awright | or so. |
| 04:30.32 | blast007 | .. |
| 04:32.43 | short_circuit | quick everybody! turn on your logs |
| 04:32.45 | AAA_awright | Since I need some way to peform administritive functions quickly without joining... |
| 04:33.02 | AAA_awright | You can catch it log-level, but not client-level |
| 04:34.06 | Flash | the point (that I hope you see) is that while you may have legitimate(?) uses of these holes |
| 04:34.16 | Flash | they are easy for nefarious types to exploit as well |
| 04:34.28 | AAA_awright | ...they should be made a bit smaller to prevent bad use |
| 04:34.32 | AAA_awright | if you know what I mean |
| 04:35.24 | Flash | in a world with no thieves, doors need no locks... |
| 04:35.35 | AAA_awright | Insead of banning MsgMessage packets before MsgJoin, for example |
| 04:35.39 | short_circuit | Trust in Allah.. but tie up your camels |
| 04:36.01 | AAA_awright | I would have prevented the printing of messages by unjoined users. |
| 04:36.25 | AAA_awright | that is, the user is silenced until he joins, because silenced users can still run commands. get it? |
| 04:36.31 | DTRemenak | in a world with no locks, thieves need no lockpicks ;) |
| 04:36.39 | AAA_awright | :) |
| 04:37.24 | short_circuit | tis funny |
| 04:38.43 | AAA_awright | Say, when did everyone else figure out the UNKNOWN user message bug? |
| 04:38.55 | L4m3r | months ago |
| 04:39.02 | AAA_awright | I figured |
| 04:39.23 | L4m3r | perhaps it'd be best to just make unjoined users not included in "EVERYONE" for perms |
| 04:40.09 | DTRemenak | unjoined users are not users. the server expects things in a certain order. |
| 04:40.47 | AAA_awright | I did 44 days ago, and have the SVN respo to prove it :) |
| 04:41.09 | AAA_awright | L4m3r: that was what I porposed |
| 04:41.21 | mebigfatguy | leave the dolphins alone |
| 04:41.28 | AAA_awright | add the user to the everyone group AFTER you join |
| 04:41.38 | AAA_awright | hey, there is an idea |
| 04:41.39 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 04:41.47 | AAA_awright | I will do that |
| 04:42.14 | AAA_awright | take out the packet-type lock in the process, if we can aggree to that (which means no) |
| 04:42.42 | brlcad | thanks for all the fish |
| 04:44.09 | AAA_awright | too much code to go through today, tommrow |
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| 09:25.25 | LePoulpe303 | happy new bzyear all ! |
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| 11:02.06 | biggeruniverse | that's so yesterday |
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| 14:13.52 | spldart | off to work |
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| 17:01.39 | CBG | WTF Does /lagstats count towards spam ?! |
| 17:01.59 | CBG | As an admin, one may need to look at lagstats a lot, why should they be kicked for that!? |
| 17:09.42 | L4m3r | you don't need to be obsessive about lag tracking ;) |
| 17:09.42 | CBG | I do. |
| 17:10.45 | Birdie | so you get kicked:) |
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| 18:09.19 | ts | Happy new year JeffM2501 |
| 18:12.01 | CBG | Uhoh, he's back! |
| 18:16.02 | JeffM2501 | I am? |
| 18:16.34 | CBG | Seems so to me. :| |
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| 18:28.30 | mebigfatguy | i wonder how BZ ontop of opencroquet is going |
| 18:29.34 | L4m3r | or a rewrite in... what language was he going on about? |
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| 18:45.03 | JeffM2501 | man that is a lot of unread posts. |
| 18:45.40 | Birdie | lucky you have some great moderators who work for you) |
| 18:45.57 | JeffM2501 | how was it all week? |
| 18:46.35 | Birdie | nothing special, some one that posted 30 times a day |
| 18:46.44 | Birdie | as far as i know, no spam |
| 18:46.54 | JeffM2501 | who this time? |
| 18:47.12 | JeffM2501 | the italian guy? |
| 18:47.26 | JeffM2501 | oh and happy new year :) |
| 18:47.42 | Birdie | same for you:) |
| 18:47.47 | Birdie | "da best" if i remember well |
| 18:47.52 | JeffM2501 | great |
| 18:48.04 | JeffM2501 | did somone talk to him about it? |
| 18:48.12 | Birdie | no diea |
| 18:48.15 | Birdie | idea* |
| 18:48.29 | Birdie | i hate to say this, but i think cbg is much much better informed about all this |
| 18:48.37 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:49.13 | CBG | I solved most of the spam issues, JeffM2501. |
| 18:49.19 | SpazzyMcGee | jeffM: http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dabestwankerma7.jpg |
| 18:49.19 | JeffM2501 | solved? |
| 18:49.38 | CBG | *ahem* |
| 18:49.55 | mebigfatguy | smalltalk |
| 18:50.00 | JeffM2501 | what did you do? |
| 18:53.09 | JeffM2501 | SpazzyMcGee, what is that screen shot? |
| 18:53.39 | SpazzyMcGee | it's an example of what Da Best has been leaving in hi wake |
| 18:53.41 | SpazzyMcGee | *his |
| 18:53.58 | Birdie | he wanted to give you a happy newyear:) |
| 18:54.08 | SpazzyMcGee | heh |
| 19:07.48 | ts | hehe, like janis wants ;) |
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| 20:03.43 | Skeeve | Hi! Does anyone know where badgerking is? |
| 20:03.53 | Skeeve | Some people on his server are going nuts |
| 20:04.01 | Skeeve | We need some kicks |
| 20:04.19 | Birdie | i'll come, i have rights there |
| 20:04.26 | Skeeve | THX! |
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| 22:07.54 | jaku | hi, do you know if there is a problem to do the login for the linux user? |
| 22:08.30 | JeffM2501 | what login? |
| 22:08.41 | jaku | the login in the game.. |
| 22:08.49 | JeffM2501 | what error do you get? |
| 22:09.18 | jaku | the program crash |
| 22:09.36 | JeffM2501 | ahh probably libcurl |
| 22:09.47 | jaku | if i try to paly without a registered name.. i can play |
| 22:09.49 | JeffM2501 | see if there is a newer version of libcurl for your distro |
| 22:10.29 | JeffM2501 | does it crash if you list the list of servers first? |
| 22:10.54 | jaku | no.. just if i tra to register me |
| 22:11.47 | jaku | and from the sehll i don' t have any error.. just close the program |
| 22:11.51 | JeffM2501 | check for an upgrade, sounds a lot like the libcurl bug |
| 22:12.23 | jaku | I have a 7.15.4 |
| 22:12.36 | JeffM2501 | that would be about the right version for the bug IIRC |
| 22:13.59 | Erroneous | yup, 'tis |
| 22:15.47 | jaku | I have thatone in all my repo.. also the unstable... |
| 22:16.09 | JeffM2501 | you can ether upgrade past it, or downgrade |
| 22:16.13 | JeffM2501 | those were the 2 fixes |
| 22:17.08 | jaku | tks JeffM2501 now I know the problem :) and I can do something |
| 22:17.45 | JeffM2501 | sure |
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| 22:31.28 | AAA_awright | JeffM2501: One of the reasons people were able to post messages before they joined was because you put in the everyone group when you connect.... |
| 22:32.52 | AAA_awright | Instead of closing the connection when it recieves a MsgMessage packet, wouldn't it make more sense to revoke the permissions to people who are not joined? |
| 22:34.05 | AAA_awright | add a new group, connected, and everyone, even connected people, have the permissions assigned to that group, and assign the everyone group to people once they join |
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| 22:34.34 | AAA_awright | then you could controll who can get statistics on your server by setting a group permission and not a command-line switch |
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| 22:34.45 | JeffM2501 | have to add a new perm for the stat thing |
| 22:35.03 | JeffM2501 | but yes more groups and perms make sense for 2.2 |
| 22:35.03 | AAA_awright | that wouldn't be hard, though |
| 22:35.12 | JeffM2501 | no no, not hard at al |
| 22:35.34 | AAA_awright | And that way, if an admin wants to peform commands without joinging, you could assign the message provlage to CONNECTED |
| 22:36.00 | Erroneous | why are you so opposed to logging in? |
| 22:36.13 | AAA_awright | I am not opposed to it... |
| 22:36.15 | AAA_awright | er... |
| 22:36.24 | JeffM2501 | a normal client can't realy do anything with out joining |
| 22:36.27 | JeffM2501 | so it's somewhat moot |
| 22:36.39 | AAA_awright | But I was using that... feature... to synimacly load and unload plugins with a script |
| 22:36.41 | JeffM2501 | a real client just busts out the messages one after another |
| 22:36.57 | JeffM2501 | so just send the rest of the join and you'll be fine |
| 22:37.01 | AAA_awright | *dynamicly |
| 22:37.11 | AAA_awright | yah |
| 22:37.32 | AAA_awright | Would the idea be somthing to add to the source tree, though? |
| 22:37.47 | Erroneous | I don't see why. It's not hard to send a join. |
| 22:38.16 | Erroneous | and it means servers don't have to expect messages when they shouldn't come |
| 22:38.21 | AAA_awright | I am talking about for fetching statistics from the server by, say, stats.bzflag.org |
| 22:38.28 | Erroneous | stricter protocols are better than looser ones |
| 22:39.16 | AAA_awright | Unless you want staticics robots joining all the time, 1/10 os a second every 5 minutes :p |
| 22:39.29 | Erroneous | stats are sent via the standard ping |
| 22:40.34 | Erroneous | which is sent blindly on all connections |
| 22:40.34 | Erroneous | s.b.o doesn't try to send anything to the server |
| 22:41.12 | AAA_awright | The unknown user message bug heppened because someone who was connected had the permissions to do that. I think you need to join before you get more permissions... |
| 22:41.53 | Erroneous | the unkown user message bug happened because the server processed messages which were sent in an invalid order |
| 22:42.02 | AAA_awright | yah, that too |
| 22:42.27 | Erroneous | unless you would like to verify that NO message which can be sent could possibly cause problems |
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| 22:44.18 | AAA_awright | I am recommending that we determine what order the packets can be sent in using the permission/group system... and then you can, for example, revoke the STATS permission from the CONNECTED group to prevent stats bots from getting info on what is happening |
| 22:44.29 | AAA_awright | instead of asserting the order at the packet-handler level |
| 22:46.41 | AAA_awright | Who was the first person to recommend you don't get added to the everyone group until you join? |
| 22:46.43 | Erroneous | ok, I like that idea |
| 22:47.18 | AAA_awright | I then recommended the connected group so you can set permissions before you join. |
| 22:47.37 | AAA_awright | Do you know where in the source tree this is handled? |
| 22:47.46 | Erroneous | it should be implemented strictly, such that everything is ignored unless the appropriate permissions are present |
| 22:47.53 | AAA_awright | yes |
| 22:48.05 | Erroneous | likely there should also be a method of identifying without actually joining the game |
| 22:48.17 | Erroneous | so that you could obtain addtional non-default permissions |
| 22:48.25 | Erroneous | would that solve your problem? :) |
| 22:48.27 | AAA_awright | I like that |
| 22:48.46 | AAA_awright | it would move a few configuration switches to the group permission file as well |
| 22:49.14 | Erroneous | config stuff has to be redone anyway |
| 22:49.18 | Erroneous | it's a total mess |
| 22:49.25 | Erroneous | and most of it can be done with vars anyway |
| 22:50.01 | AAA_awright | :) |
| 22:50.19 | JeffM2501 | or I just make an API call to have a plugin load a plugin |
| 22:50.31 | JeffM2501 | that'd be the simplest |
| 22:50.43 | Erroneous | simplest is not necessarily cleanest |
| 22:51.02 | Erroneous | I like the idea of extending the permissions system |
| 22:51.04 | JeffM2501 | or you take all your plugins and merge them into a super plugin that dynamicly reges and unreged what it needs |
| 22:51.09 | JeffM2501 | sure more premisions are never bad |
| 22:54.47 | Erroneous | dunno about never, but in this case, they'd probably be useful ;) |
| 22:55.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
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| 22:58.48 | L4m3r | oops |
| 23:20.51 | JeffM2501 | I seriously think I forgot how to program |
| 23:21.19 | Erroneous | had that good of a time, huh? :) |
| 23:21.37 | JeffM2501 | ether that or the hair dye went too deep |
| 23:21.54 | Erroneous | hair dye! |
| 23:21.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:22.04 | JeffM2501 | it was died last night |
| 23:23.07 | Erroneous | odd color, or normal? |
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