| 00:20.01 | spldart | The belts would follow the most generic martial arts system and appear on your tank as viewed by other tankers :-) |
| 00:25.16 | randomparticle | i'd already suggested tanks have tongues. that must be implemented first. |
| 00:25.25 | randomparticle | your belts will have to wait |
| 00:35.32 | spldart | LMAO |
| 00:35.49 | spldart | what purpose were the tongues to server? |
| 00:36.03 | randomparticle | tanks can lick each other to death. it's a new weapon |
| 00:36.58 | blast007 | "take that, you dirty tank licker!" |
| 00:37.18 | spldart | eeeeeeeeyyyuuuuuuuuuuwwwaaahhhh!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:38.07 | randomparticle | then you can have aniseed flags, that give the flagholders a horrible tasting coating |
| 00:39.30 | randomparticle | the list of vile-tasting things is endless. you could have goat's cheese flags too, for example |
| 00:39.33 | spldart | IB sticks and stems flag... yes... a bad flag |
| 00:40.07 | spldart | Oh.. a Meth flag... Your tank drives all gittery |
| 00:40.56 | randomparticle | toki must have licked a tank with that flag |
| 00:41.13 | spldart | hehehe |
| 00:41.50 | randomparticle | which proves he's cheating, really, because tongues aren't in the official build yet |
| 00:42.58 | spldart | dude.. tanks with tongues is grossing me out |
| 00:43.09 | [NP]Tangent | tanks with tongues for the win! |
| 00:43.11 | [NP]Tangent | let's put it in! |
| 00:43.49 | randomparticle | it's not that far-fetched. i mean, who ever heard of a jumping tank? |
| 00:45.24 | spldart | Here he goes! Here goes speed tank driver! |
| 00:45.44 | spldart | with a monkey in the trunk even |
| 00:50.14 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:51.55 | Erroneous | tanks speaking in tounges would be much more fun |
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| 01:02.18 | spldart | Don't make me whip out the silvercat babylon map on joo!~!! |
| 01:02.25 | Erroneous | eh? |
| 01:03.04 | spldart | What do you mean 3h?! I made 3 situation pun in once sentence o-0 |
| 01:03.52 | spldart | It twas... funny |
| 01:03.53 | L4m3r | another day in #bzflag... |
| 01:04.02 | blast007 | L4m3r: yup :) |
| 01:04.11 | uso | brlcad or who else works on the forum: the "Chat Room" button in bzbb is a dead link |
| 01:04.23 | L4m3r | been dead a long time |
| 01:04.37 | L4m3r | CGI:IRC is no longer useable to to security issues |
| 01:04.43 | uso | ok, if it's known :) |
| 01:04.49 | spldart | s/to/do |
| 01:05.00 | L4m3r | Someone (tm) will replace it with a static page |
| 01:05.08 | L4m3r | spldart: s/to/due |
| 01:05.14 | L4m3r | :) |
| 01:05.28 | L4m3r | ...but a bad typist :( |
| 01:05.28 | spldart | s/myspelling/everyone elses spelling |
| 01:06.06 | spldart | NOT |
| 01:38.28 | brlcad | it's not actually supposed to be a dead link |
| 01:38.39 | brlcad | it's supposed to take you to a page that says it's down due to security issues |
| 01:39.10 | spldart | Is there a possible scenario that a BU can shoot a tank that is mid air? |
| 01:39.11 | brlcad | but someone apparently moved the irc directory |
| 01:39.19 | spldart | Severe lag the only way/. |
| 01:39.21 | spldart | ? |
| 01:40.29 | spldart | meh.. had to be lag... I brought 3 missles on his head and then.. after the apex of my jump... I blow up and he doesn't |
| 01:42.09 | spldart | When gamestate goes server side a analog meter of sorts should be included on every client... indicating lagstate for your client sampled once every 30 sec to a minute.. see through and optional indicator of course |
| 01:42.29 | spldart | Not that I was laggin... 55 ms |
| 01:44.09 | brlcad | lag, modified server vars, fluke timing |
| 01:45.11 | spldart | hrm.... |
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| 01:46.53 | spldart | Methinks a 270 degree rotation indicator in circular meter in which teh needle swings ahead of the bar which turns from green for under 100, yellow 100 to 200 and red above that ;) |
| 01:47.09 | spldart | Like a tach of sorts |
| 01:47.40 | spldart | IB code that bad boy up 8-0 |
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| 01:53.44 | spldart | POOP! |
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| 01:54.28 | spldart | Just got a call from the wife's mom :(... Her brother rolled his car 8 times... apparently his condition 24 hours later is so bad they wont tell her what to expect from his condition :-( |
| 01:54.51 | spldart | Apparently severe head injuries are involved |
| 02:22.41 | blast007 | spldart: :( |
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| 02:25.37 | tofu | woot |
| 02:25.47 | tofu | well seems like we're back on-line |
| 02:25.50 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:31.10 | tofu | hmm |
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| 02:32.48 | nickv111 | Hey. How do you turn up the velocity of shots in bzfs? |
| 02:33.01 | nickv111 | Some games have faster shots (not Rapid Fire) |
| 02:34.37 | blast007 | with /set |
| 02:34.49 | blast007 | there are a number of variables that can be changed |
| 02:34.55 | blast007 | I think the one you want it _shotSpeed |
| 02:34.58 | blast007 | is* |
| 02:35.21 | Theme97 | the default is _shotSpeed |
| 02:35.23 | Theme97 | err |
| 02:35.25 | Theme97 | * 100 |
| 02:35.47 | brlcad | purple_cow: aww |
| 02:35.52 | brlcad | touchy |
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| 02:37.59 | learner | wow |
| 02:38.10 | learner | that was unexpected |
| 02:39.18 | brlcad | auto-logged me in and all that jazz bypassing my carefully crafted "go get a damn real client" message on http://my.bzflag.org/irc/ |
| 02:39.44 | brlcad | anyhoo, back on-line now so let the insanity commence |
| 02:40.58 | blast007 | wow...#ileague, heh, that's ancient ;) |
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| 03:14.06 | nickv111 | Is there a comprehensive list of commands and their usage? |
| 03:14.07 | Dark | ? |
| 03:14.08 | nickv111 | Server commands |
| 03:14.18 | nickv111 | Like, I want to know how to give and take flags, but I can't figure it out |
| 03:14.37 | Dark | you cant give a flag |
| 03:14.43 | Dark | you can take one and its called theif |
| 03:14.52 | nickv111 | No, if you're admin |
| 03:15.09 | nickv111 | I know there's a way to give flags. I've seen admins do it |
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| 03:15.23 | nickv111 | How does one give a flag if he or she is an admin? |
| 03:17.59 | Theme97 | Type /flag and the server will give you a list of possible commands. |
| 03:18.44 | Theme97 | If you type any command without any arguments (such as /flag give), it will tell you how to use it. |
| 03:19.32 | Theme97 | I believe it's: /flag give <player> <flag> [<force> (optional!)] |
| 03:19.37 | Theme97 | and: /flag take <player> |
| 03:19.50 | Theme97 | If you want a list of commands, just type /? |
| 03:20.02 | Theme97 | nickv111: And there is/are your answer(s). |
| 03:22.25 | nickv111 | Theme97: Thank you |
| 03:22.38 | nickv111 | Theme97: Is there a way to give a flag to someone without it existing on the map? |
| 03:22.50 | Theme97 | No. |
| 03:22.59 | nickv111 | Theme97: BTW, nice playing on bzfx |
| 03:23.11 | Theme97 | But I do believe there will be support for adding flags to a server in 2.1 or something like that... |
| 03:23.16 | Theme97 | (And thanks.) |
| 03:23.17 | nickv111 | Theme97: Oh, okay. |
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| 04:39.39 | blast007 | nickv111: you can also do /? for a list of commands |
| 04:39.59 | blast007 | or /ban? to show you specific help for how to use /ban and /banlist |
| 04:40.28 | nickv111 | Thanks |
| 04:40.39 | nickv111 | I was doing /help <command> |
| 04:40.43 | nickv111 | Not /command? |
| 04:40.59 | blast007 | you can probably do /command too |
| 04:41.04 | blast007 | oh |
| 04:41.10 | blast007 | i see what you mean |
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| 05:03.29 | [NP]Tangent | well I did it |
| 05:03.40 | [NP]Tangent | I set up a windows box so I could VNC into it and use Fruity Loops |
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| 06:14.48 | [NP]Tangent | uh oh |
| 06:14.49 | [NP]Tangent | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=95668#95668 |
| 06:17.15 | cosmos | heh |
| 06:19.12 | L4m3r | argh! |
| 06:20.40 | L4m3r | yeesh, another one |
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| 08:07.54 | L4m3r | :) |
| 08:08.05 | brlcad | what? that's not the game? |
| 08:08.09 | brlcad | oh oops |
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| 09:58.15 | brlcad | *yawn* |
| 10:01.29 | L4m3r | whoa, is it really 2 am? |
| 10:01.46 | Chestal_ | nope, it's 11 |
| 10:01.55 | L4m3r | :) |
| 10:02.11 | L4m3r | am or pm? |
| 10:02.34 | Chestal_ | I use 24 hour format :-) |
| 10:02.40 | L4m3r | heh |
| 10:02.58 | L4m3r | hm... so, western Europe I take it? |
| 10:03.33 | Chestal_ | Germany, central European time |
| 10:03.44 | L4m3r | ah |
| 10:03.51 | Chestal_ | you 9 hours off guys are probably in California? |
| 10:04.33 | L4m3r | I am |
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| 10:07.21 | L4m3r | my God this laptop has a lot of crap preloaded... |
| 10:07.43 | L4m3r | I did not realize the full scope of it until I started downloading drivers for a clean install, and saw how long the list was >_> |
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| 10:13.52 | zee212 | d |
| 10:26.45 | L4m3r | Driveby! I'm hit! |
| 10:37.45 | Bluer | so finally decided on a clean format L4m3r ? |
| 10:38.10 | L4m3r | I decided a long time ago... I'm just now getting to the windows end |
| 10:38.22 | L4m3r | been spending most of my time messing with Linux :) |
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| 10:41.23 | Bluer2 | oh |
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| 18:27.44 | tonyb2006 | when i run bzflag |
| 18:27.51 | tonyb2006 | all the textures are fucked |
| 18:28.21 | tonyb2006 | im on windoze (untill i can figure out a good way to get linux on here) |
| 18:28.49 | tonyb2006 | with an intel 82830M |
| 18:29.45 | JeffM2501 | 1) please dont' curse here |
| 18:29.53 | tonyb2006 | sorry :S |
| 18:29.53 | JeffM2501 | 2) you probalby just need newer drivers for your 830 |
| 18:30.00 | JeffM2501 | the ones MS ships tend to suck |
| 18:30.04 | tonyb2006 | came from ebay yesterday |
| 18:30.10 | tonyb2006 | intels drivers |
| 18:30.18 | JeffM2501 | from intel? |
| 18:30.20 | tonyb2006 | it says Intel Extreme Graphics |
| 18:30.23 | JeffM2501 | or from windows update? |
| 18:30.31 | JeffM2501 | there are more then one version of the intel drivers |
| 18:30.35 | tonyb2006 | this came from ebay yesterday |
| 18:30.41 | JeffM2501 | so you don't know |
| 18:30.49 | tonyb2006 | precicely |
| 18:30.53 | JeffM2501 | then go to intel's site, and get the current drivers they have and install those |
| 18:30.57 | tonyb2006 | kk |
| 18:31.13 | JeffM2501 | but even if you use linux you'll want to get a better video card |
| 18:31.17 | tonyb2006 | its on a laptop |
| 18:31.18 | JeffM2501 | the 8X0 series is just a poor chipset under any OS |
| 18:31.19 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 18:31.31 | tonyb2006 | can it play bzflag? |
| 18:31.36 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 18:31.41 | tonyb2006 | then i'm happy |
| 18:31.43 | JeffM2501 | it just wont' be fast and some features may not work well |
| 18:31.57 | JeffM2501 | check intel's site they should have the current drivers |
| 18:32.19 | JeffM2501 | what version of windows did it have on it? |
| 18:32.26 | tonyb2006 | xP |
| 18:32.33 | JeffM2501 | well that's at least good |
| 18:32.48 | tonyb2006 | no cd drive |
| 18:33.01 | tonyb2006 | but i'll get debian on it..you'll see! (evil laughter) |
| 18:33.01 | JeffM2501 | hope it was realy cheap |
| 18:33.07 | tonyb2006 | like 300 |
| 18:33.13 | JeffM2501 | how fast? |
| 18:33.18 | tonyb2006 | p3 1.2ghz |
| 18:33.25 | tonyb2006 | 1.3 |
| 18:33.35 | JeffM2501 | for about 100$ more you could have got a better refurb dell |
| 18:33.41 | JeffM2501 | if you worked it |
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| 18:33.49 | tonyb2006 | i dont want a dell |
| 18:33.55 | JeffM2501 | whatever floats your boat :) |
| 18:33.59 | tonyb2006 | i wanted this because it weighs 3 pounds |
| 18:34.05 | JeffM2501 | vio? |
| 18:34.12 | tonyb2006 | thinkpad |
| 18:34.15 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:34.19 | JeffM2501 | well good luck |
| 18:34.29 | tonyb2006 | :D |
| 18:35.01 | tonyb2006 | i think the newer drivers don't do the 830m |
| 18:35.46 | tonyb2006 | weee im typing w/ one gand and holding lappy w/ other....fun |
| 18:35.52 | tonyb2006 | with my old laptop that'd break my arm off |
| 18:36.22 | JeffM2501 | intel should have current drivers for all there chipsets |
| 18:36.26 | tonyb2006 | =\ |
| 18:36.57 | JeffM2501 | they may not be as new as the drivers for the current chipsets, but they should be better then the ones that come on the XP CD ( that's probalby what you have ). |
| 18:37.23 | tonyb2006 | they have a big ol' intel logo |
| 18:37.30 | JeffM2501 | so? |
| 18:37.40 | tonyb2006 | its the intel drivers |
| 18:37.49 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mean they are the current versio |
| 18:37.55 | JeffM2501 | but hey, it's your lappy |
| 18:37.57 | tonyb2006 | right |
| 18:38.33 | JeffM2501 | and the drivers on the XP cd, did come from intel, so it will have the same logo, it's just REALY old |
| 18:38.46 | JeffM2501 | but you may have the ones lenvo packed with it, |
| 18:39.00 | JeffM2501 | may be somewhere inbetween |
| 18:39.00 | tonyb2006 | the guy on ebay packed a few drivers |
| 18:39.06 | tonyb2006 | like the wifi card |
| 18:39.20 | JeffM2501 | I always wipe machines from e-bay |
| 18:39.22 | JeffM2501 | just in case |
| 18:39.31 | tonyb2006 | heh |
| 18:39.44 | JeffM2501 | also best way to know what is and isn't installed |
| 18:40.34 | tonyb2006 | yay linux |
| 18:45.39 | tonyb2006 | k new driverys work :) |
| 18:45.43 | tonyb2006 | thanks |
| 18:46.24 | tonyb2006 | i think the ebayer took the ones off the original ibm cd |
| 18:50.58 | JeffM2501 | they probably just did a wipe and restore before they sold it |
| 18:51.03 | JeffM2501 | common practice |
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| 20:25.59 | tonyb2006 | carp! |
| 20:29.02 | JeffM2501 | Salmon! |
| 20:31.59 | tonyb2006 | goldfish! |
| 20:32.48 | JeffM2501 | that's just a carp |
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| 21:52.21 | Baritus | hi, why do you have to die so often in bzflag |
| 21:52.22 | Baritus | ? |
| 21:52.48 | randomparticle | i don't :) |
| 21:52.50 | Baritus | sometimes you just enter the game and dead, or genocide kills all |
| 21:52.59 | CBG | Baritus: keep playing, keep practising. Soon you'll hardly die at all. :) |
| 21:53.02 | Baritus | that is very frustrating |
| 21:53.06 | randomparticle | geno can be a problem |
| 21:53.13 | randomparticle | there are servers without it. you may prefer those |
| 21:54.43 | Baritus | it would be much cooler if a tank had some energy, and only is destroyed after serious damage |
| 21:54.55 | JeffM2501 | that won't happen, as you know |
| 21:55.39 | Baritus | why not? Is that a game design issue? |
| 21:55.40 | randomparticle | it would make skilled players almost impossible to kill |
| 21:55.48 | JeffM2501 | it is a game design choice |
| 21:56.19 | randomparticle | some players can already get scores like 100-8 etc. imagine what it would be like if you had to shoot them more than once to kill them :) |
| 21:56.28 | Baritus | but making it configurable would not kill the game |
| 21:56.37 | JeffM2501 | it is a game design choice |
| 21:56.54 | Baritus | the better players need some handicap |
| 21:56.56 | JeffM2501 | you are more then welcome to fork the code and modify it in |
| 21:57.02 | JeffM2501 | and use it as your own game |
| 21:57.06 | JeffM2501 | on your own servers |
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| 21:58.02 | randomparticle | it would be nice though if players didn't spawn into shots |
| 21:58.10 | Baritus | are there also some dangerous bots takinng part in the game ? |
| 21:58.23 | randomparticle | bots are never dangerous |
| 21:58.38 | JeffM2501 | once the server has a better state, it can compute better spawns |
| 21:58.55 | blast007 | randomparticle: unless you jump, then the -solo bots are deadly accurate ;) |
| 21:58.59 | Baritus | is the input data for bots the image or the variables from the program? |
| 21:59.08 | JeffM2501 | nether Baritus |
| 21:59.16 | JeffM2501 | you know all about them already so don't play ;) |
| 22:00.05 | Baritus | i forgot very easy |
| 22:00.11 | JeffM2501 | doubtfull |
| 22:00.50 | randomparticle | a large part of this game is anticipation of future positions/behaviour. that is a difficult AI problem |
| 22:01.06 | Baritus | based on what data? |
| 22:01.19 | JeffM2501 | the bot as you know is just a client |
| 22:01.28 | JeffM2501 | so it uses client data |
| 22:01.31 | Baritus | what is the sensory input for the bot? |
| 22:01.37 | Baritus | JeffM2501: ok |
| 22:01.41 | JeffM2501 | it's very simple logic |
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| 22:02.42 | Baritus | bots can react much faster than humans, anyway, is there a bot already that can beat the best players without cheating ? |
| 22:02.48 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:02.53 | Baritus | ok |
| 22:02.58 | JeffM2501 | the bot code has change little since your day |
| 22:03.02 | JeffM2501 | little has |
| 22:03.09 | Baritus | i see :) |
| 22:03.17 | Baritus | but the game improved a lot |
| 22:03.23 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 22:03.25 | JeffM2501 | as you know |
| 22:03.48 | Baritus | better graphics, and new flags |
| 22:03.58 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 22:04.04 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.8 has no new flags |
| 22:04.28 | CBG | Depends when Baritus last played. |
| 22:04.47 | CBG | 2.x has new flags over 1.x - Wings, Agility.. |
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| 22:04.57 | JeffM2501 | he's done 2.0 |
| 22:05.13 | JeffM2501 | just under other names |
| 22:05.23 | CBG | k :) |
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| 22:10.57 | Baritus | anything you can do without a 3d card to speed the game up? |
| 22:11.03 | JeffM2501 | use one |
| 22:11.11 | JeffM2501 | what card you up to now? |
| 22:11.17 | Baritus | i look |
| 22:11.54 | Baritus | nvidia gforce 2 mx 400 |
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| 22:11.58 | JeffM2501 | same card then |
| 22:12.13 | Baritus | as you? |
| 22:12.15 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:12.23 | Baritus | :) |
| 22:12.23 | JeffM2501 | you've had that card for a while haven't you? |
| 22:12.31 | Baritus | yep |
| 22:12.33 | JeffM2501 | get a faster one |
| 22:12.40 | JeffM2501 | that is a very low end card |
| 22:13.14 | Baritus | but i rember that i could run the game with a good frame rate with that card |
| 22:13.20 | JeffM2501 | you still can |
| 22:13.23 | JeffM2501 | on simple maps |
| 22:13.29 | JeffM2501 | maps are more complex now |
| 22:13.30 | Baritus | and now, even though i have a better cpu |
| 22:13.38 | Baritus | JeffM2501: ok |
| 22:14.45 | blast007 | when I first started, I got a good FPS on the old Intel 810 chipset ;) |
| 22:15.10 | Baritus | that sounds like 10 years |
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| 22:15.16 | JeffM2501 | I started with a permedia 2 |
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