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| 00:44.47 | A-Delusion | robur, look at private chat window |
| 00:45.32 | brlcad | robur: don't do it! |
| 00:45.36 | brlcad | it's a trick |
| 00:45.40 | Robur | i did... |
| 00:45.53 | Robur | the last message has me asking you if youre there... |
| 00:46.00 | Robur | did my client miss one? |
| 00:46.33 | Robur | i see :-) |
| 00:46.36 | Robur | will do :-) |
| 00:46.39 | Robur | thanks! |
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| 00:47.06 | A-Delusion | i told him how to register |
| 00:47.28 | Robur | did it... |
| 00:47.32 | Robur | now what? |
| 00:48.15 | Robur | ill try a restart... |
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| 00:49.25 | brlcad | now you identify |
| 00:50.21 | Robur | i did... |
| 00:50.41 | Robur | NOOOOOOOPOO! |
| 00:50.58 | Robur | im a web application developer running os x..... |
| 00:51.04 | A-Delusion | I heard something about a sattelite internet connection... |
| 00:51.08 | Robur | iv just never used an irc client before :-) |
| 00:51.21 | blast007 | Robur: hehe, I think that was a joke about "ill try a restart..." |
| 00:51.31 | Robur | and yes... im on satellite internet :-( |
| 00:51.32 | A-Delusion | everybody has problems with IRC at first |
| 00:51.41 | blast007 | us windows users have to restart more often ;) |
| 00:51.46 | [dmp] | :) |
| 00:51.50 | A-Delusion | until everything's setup properly |
| 00:52.05 | blast007 | Robur: you are currently not identified |
| 00:52.06 | Robur | :-) |
| 00:53.17 | Robur | i just typed it 5 times |
| 00:53.53 | A-Delusion | hmm, the register must not have taken |
| 00:54.07 | Robur | ---/msg Robur identify mypass |
| 00:54.09 | Robur | right? |
| 00:54.14 | Robur | without the --- |
| 00:55.01 | A-Delusion | no |
| 00:55.22 | Robur | i joined mofo fine... |
| 00:56.19 | [dmp] | Robur: /msg nickserv identify yourpass |
| 00:56.27 | [dmp] | Robur: or /msg nickserv help :) |
| 00:56.32 | Robur | I SEE |
| 00:56.44 | Robur | mypass is wildcard, nickserv is not :-) |
| 00:57.02 | Robur | you should have said {mypass} :-) |
| 00:57.08 | [dmp] | the other line is like talking to yourself :) |
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| 01:09.25 | A-Delusion | he got it working, |
| 01:10.10 | A-Delusion | I said, "your lag is 1500 and latency is 400" , he said "i'm on a sattelite internet connection" that got me intrigued |
| 01:10.35 | A-Delusion | he SAYS hes a web app developer |
| 01:10.38 | blast007 | lag == latency |
| 01:10.52 | blast007 | you mean jitter is 400? |
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| 01:17.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah sat has high latency |
| 01:17.30 | JeffM2501 | speed of light and all :) |
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| 02:21.37 | A-Delusion | ~logs |
| 02:21.39 | ibot | well, logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
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| 02:52.05 | {33}Chris | wow |
| 02:52.12 | {33}Chris | =) |
| 02:53.36 | {33}Chris | Hey guys, I had some questions about use of your software, I created this site www.fire-fight.org -- with it you can create servers for games for two hours, the code on the back end handles everything, and I am adding BZTank as we speak. So, the first question is, can I do this with your software, and B, can I offer downloads off my site? Thanks! |
| 03:04.06 | brlcad | hello {33}Chris |
| 03:04.19 | brlcad | first off, the name of the game is BZFlag, not BZTank :) |
| 03:04.36 | tannerld | hmm |
| 03:04.42 | tannerld | BZTank = Battle Ze Tank! :D |
| 03:04.53 | brlcad | A: yes, B: yes |
| 03:19.43 | {33}Chris | sorry =p |
| 03:20.19 | {33}Chris | and thanks for the answers =) |
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| 04:13.24 | Flash | no one is playing on 2.1 :-( |
| 04:13.33 | Flash | there are 3 servers and no players |
| 04:14.44 | JeffM2501 | we don't make binarys so no, noone plays it |
| 04:14.56 | JeffM2501 | the servers are realy only for testing |
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| 18:47.02 | JeffM2501 | yay for domain name changeover day :) |
| 18:47.15 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you still using any bakadigital.com addresses? |
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| 19:08.35 | JeffM2501 | blast007, you around? |
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| 19:24.01 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: I think flagStay works... there is a problem with the zone definitions in the map |
| 19:24.11 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 19:24.14 | Thumper_ | I build a test map and it works fine |
| 19:24.17 | Thumper_ | build* |
| 19:24.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah so did I |
| 19:24.21 | Thumper_ | built* ick |
| 19:24.27 | JeffM2501 | well at least progress is geting made |
| 19:24.59 | JeffM2501 | for the Z depths I found it good to make the min Z be a little below the floor of where you want the zone to be |
| 19:25.04 | JeffM2501 | as tanks jitter a smidge |
| 19:25.27 | JeffM2501 | like I did -1 for all my Zs on the ground |
| 19:25.35 | Thumper_ | the Roundabout map acts as if you never get in the second zone at all |
| 19:25.35 | JeffM2501 | 0 would be iffy sometimes |
| 19:25.37 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 19:25.41 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 19:25.56 | Thumper_ | not sure why we jitter in the z-axis though |
| 19:26.14 | JeffM2501 | floating point inacuracy stuff |
| 19:26.25 | Thumper_ | Is tank pos the center of the tank or the bottom of the treads? |
| 19:26.31 | JeffM2501 | bottom |
| 19:26.32 | JeffM2501 | ish |
| 19:26.41 | JeffM2501 | part of the treads is below a bit IIRC |
| 19:26.45 | JeffM2501 | just like a sliver |
| 19:26.49 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 19:27.00 | JeffM2501 | it's just usualy good to give a little pad |
| 19:27.31 | JeffM2501 | as the math that computes where things go could project down in Z just a little, like put you at -0.00000000001 when your at 0 |
| 19:27.44 | JeffM2501 | not enough to draw odd, but enough to make X < 0 fail |
| 19:31.43 | Thumper_ | true |
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| 20:09.54 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, tell louman that he's free to ask for any changes to that pluing, or any others if he needs them |
| 20:17.08 | uso | JeffM2501: something went wrong with the tank labels on hud in 2.0.9 |
| 20:17.26 | JeffM2501 | how so? |
| 20:18.05 | uso | if a tank is far away the label is near the senter of the tank (obscures it), the nearer the tank is, the higher above the tank is the label |
| 20:18.18 | uso | in 2.0.8 they were always below the tank |
| 20:18.32 | uso | *center* |
| 20:18.32 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 20:18.45 | JeffM2501 | I did move them, but that was to put them always above |
| 20:18.47 | JeffM2501 | let me check |
| 20:19.00 | JeffM2501 | bellow seemed stupid to me |
| 20:19.06 | JeffM2501 | but maybe cus I play too many MMOs |
| 20:20.14 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: no, I'm not |
| 20:20.29 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, okeys |
| 20:20.36 | JeffM2501 | they expire wednesday |
| 20:20.47 | JeffM2501 | I rmember you said you had your own |
| 20:20.54 | JeffM2501 | didn't know if you converted em all tho |
| 20:20.54 | uso | and i'm not sure if there's a need to put the speeds on hud (if observer info is on), they are better to read in the score list anyways |
| 20:21.08 | JeffM2501 | uso, I thought they looked cool |
| 20:21.13 | JeffM2501 | and I don't think they hurt |
| 20:21.15 | uso | hehe :) |
| 20:22.07 | JeffM2501 | it's adding muzzle height *3 to it |
| 20:22.18 | JeffM2501 | let me take that out and see if you like that better |
| 20:22.20 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: orchid still uses one, I think |
| 20:22.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah I converted all hers |
| 20:22.31 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 20:22.51 | JeffM2501 | uso, can you build? |
| 20:22.54 | JeffM2501 | or do you need a binary? |
| 20:22.57 | uso | and if i'm there ... is there a special meaning of the red "P" as a second pause indicator? |
| 20:23.01 | uso | i can build |
| 20:23.14 | JeffM2501 | it just shows who's paused in the score |
| 20:23.14 | uso | if it's in anan cvs |
| 20:23.16 | JeffM2501 | so you can see em all |
| 20:23.18 | uso | *anon* |
| 20:23.38 | JeffM2501 | k, I'll commit in just a sec and you can try it |
| 20:23.50 | uso | there is already an indicator for this ([p]) |
| 20:23.57 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 20:24.01 | ts | true |
| 20:24.01 | JeffM2501 | hehe, didn't know that :) |
| 20:24.07 | uso | though not best to seen |
| 20:24.08 | JeffM2501 | then I'll pull it |
| 20:24.25 | ts | What I wonder about is why the pause message was ignored before the change.. |
| 20:24.43 | JeffM2501 | cus usualy a client woudln't care |
| 20:24.53 | uso | the player state was checked and visualized |
| 20:24.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:25.13 | JeffM2501 | the only reaosn to check the actual message was for bastard reasons |
| 20:25.17 | uso | for the hud and score list this is ok |
| 20:25.26 | uso | exactly :) |
| 20:25.54 | ts | hmm, does the state gets changed with a screenshot or not? |
| 20:26.05 | uso | no |
| 20:26.12 | JeffM2501 | cus it happens so fast |
| 20:26.20 | JeffM2501 | but the pause message does go thru |
| 20:26.23 | uso | or at least the change is to short to be visible ;) |
| 20:26.37 | ts | heh, that explains why you can still do a screenshot in 2.1 without getting kicked |
| 20:26.56 | JeffM2501 | I've moved none of this code into 2.1 |
| 20:27.12 | JeffM2501 | as I think in 2.1 we should make the server just check for it, and take action |
| 20:27.19 | JeffM2501 | not use an observer client |
| 20:27.20 | ts | no pause during screenshot in 2.1? |
| 20:27.29 | JeffM2501 | probably not |
| 20:27.42 | ts | hrm..anyway the screenshot thingy is a joke |
| 20:27.42 | JeffM2501 | as the sim code should just be changed there |
| 20:27.51 | ts | That problem shouldn't even exist :/ |
| 20:28.23 | ts | It should send some special message over the net before and after then the server should reset their position |
| 20:29.10 | JeffM2501 | or just not fraek on a lag spike |
| 20:29.18 | JeffM2501 | screenshot is just one way to make a lag spike |
| 20:29.33 | JeffM2501 | if the sim was made to deal with the spike and not push you thru stuff, then all would be good |
| 20:29.37 | ts | some players constantly have lag spikes |
| 20:29.41 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 20:29.47 | JeffM2501 | so it needs to be able to handle them |
| 20:29.51 | JeffM2501 | regardless |
| 20:29.53 | uso | the physics should handle it, not make a gap, the tank should move as ther where no screenshot |
| 20:29.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:30.00 | ts | you can see it in the GU league..they play on WLAN and messages get lost |
| 20:30.01 | JeffM2501 | that's what I maen |
| 20:30.04 | JeffM2501 | that's sim |
| 20:30.06 | ts | so it looks odd... |
| 20:30.18 | JeffM2501 | sim should be seamless regardless of the time delta |
| 20:30.23 | JeffM2501 | and the server should have a sim as well |
| 20:30.30 | JeffM2501 | that can be used to verify |
| 20:30.39 | JeffM2501 | so if the client gets jacked up the server can fix them |
| 20:30.51 | ts | What do you mean exactly with sim? |
| 20:31.05 | JeffM2501 | the code that does physics and movement |
| 20:31.08 | ts | something like with the jumps in 2.1 or more precise? |
| 20:31.29 | JeffM2501 | the code that moves you from one point in the world to another using the time delta from the last loop |
| 20:31.41 | JeffM2501 | that is the code that breaks when it gets a large time delta |
| 20:32.06 | ts | ah, so you mean a more precise check |
| 20:32.16 | JeffM2501 | kinda |
| 20:32.20 | JeffM2501 | a smarter check |
| 20:32.34 | JeffM2501 | one that checks all the space inbetween the start and stop |
| 20:32.40 | JeffM2501 | not just the endpoints |
| 20:32.52 | DTRemenak | hm; if dt is too large, we could break it up and run the sim without drawing anything for a bit |
| 20:33.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:33.04 | JeffM2501 | thats one way |
| 20:33.08 | JeffM2501 | a simple way |
| 20:33.12 | DTRemenak | should go really fast |
| 20:33.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:33.30 | JeffM2501 | somone may have done that in 2.1 |
| 20:33.36 | JeffM2501 | as I recall it being said |
| 20:33.37 | DTRemenak | I don't think so |
| 20:33.39 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:33.45 | JeffM2501 | then someone should :) |
| 20:33.51 | DTRemenak | I think I would have noticed :) but maybe not |
| 20:34.09 | ts | JeffM2501: Well, when you loose a packet at top then the server can't verify.. |
| 20:34.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah so it'll have to interpolate |
| 20:34.26 | JeffM2501 | just like the other clients |
| 20:34.29 | ts | so we end up at an approximation at best |
| 20:34.35 | JeffM2501 | that's all we have now |
| 20:34.42 | JeffM2501 | we just have a lot of difrent approximations |
| 20:34.47 | JeffM2501 | I want to get it down to 1 ;) |
| 20:35.02 | JeffM2501 | it'll never be perfect |
| 20:35.08 | JeffM2501 | but you can get it be better in more cases |
| 20:35.50 | ts | That would be too much work for 2.2 if we want to release it in a foreseeable time |
| 20:36.09 | JeffM2501 | depends how much work people want to put into it |
| 20:36.11 | JeffM2501 | it's not that hard |
| 20:36.17 | JeffM2501 | every other game on the net does it |
| 20:36.24 | JeffM2501 | so it's not to hard to see what to do |
| 20:36.32 | ts | we can check the state changes for being reasoned at best |
| 20:36.34 | JeffM2501 | but your right, cus noone wants to work on it realy |
| 20:36.45 | JeffM2501 | that's probably all we'll get |
| 20:36.52 | JeffM2501 | but we can fix sim to be less screwy on lag |
| 20:37.14 | JeffM2501 | even the simple fix that DTRemenak said, would fix 95% of the induced lag problems with sim |
| 20:37.21 | ts | heh, show me a piece of simulation that you think is ok as example in bzfs |
| 20:37.44 | DTRemenak | it's all ok as dt approaches minfloat |
| 20:37.52 | JeffM2501 | heh :) |
| 20:37.54 | DTRemenak | well, mostly |
| 20:38.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah with 0 lag, our code is fine |
| 20:38.07 | DTRemenak | we have a few actual problems |
| 20:38.18 | DTRemenak | but those pale in significance :) |
| 20:38.35 | JeffM2501 | slap that loop in DTRemenak :) |
| 20:38.48 | JeffM2501 | then we don't need fancy threads for screenshots |
| 20:39.44 | DTRemenak | actually it'd still help, if compression is sucking the time...just because disabling rendering while the sim is catching up reduces apparent responsiveness |
| 20:39.48 | DTRemenak | but yeah |
| 20:40.26 | JeffM2501 | I don't think compression is the killer |
| 20:40.34 | DTRemenak | I don't think so either |
| 20:40.38 | JeffM2501 | and it's somewhat expected that a screeny will take "some" time |
| 20:40.46 | JeffM2501 | it's not like it's taking 25-30 secs |
| 20:40.51 | ts | I want threads :p |
| 20:40.56 | JeffM2501 | the put them in |
| 20:41.05 | ts | ewww |
| 20:41.12 | ts | --enable-threads ;) |
| 20:41.14 | DTRemenak | threads are hard |
| 20:41.35 | ts | too bad it doesn't compile with this option :( |
| 20:41.39 | DTRemenak | bzflag is not designed to be threaded, lots of stuff would need to be rewritten |
| 20:41.45 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 20:42.06 | JeffM2501 | moreso then what would have to be done for a server state |
| 20:42.41 | DTRemenak | sounds are, on sdl or directsound |
| 20:42.50 | inchworm | ahh, ok |
| 20:43.10 | JeffM2501 | directx dosn't use that thread we make |
| 20:43.13 | JeffM2501 | it does it's own threading |
| 20:43.19 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 20:43.25 | DTRemenak | yeah, but it's still a thread...just not ours :) |
| 20:43.26 | uso | for the start it would be enough to decouple the sim from the drawing (and frame rate) ;) |
| 20:43.33 | JeffM2501 | SDL use that thread? or make it's own? |
| 20:43.39 | DTRemenak | don't remember |
| 20:43.42 | JeffM2501 | I thought that thread was for X11 sound only |
| 20:43.45 | ts | uso: heh, start.. |
| 20:43.51 | DTRemenak | I didn't think it worked for x11 sound |
| 20:43.54 | ts | it's a lot of work |
| 20:43.55 | DTRemenak | but hey :) |
| 20:44.18 | uso | ts: i know, that's why the ;) was there |
| 20:44.19 | DTRemenak | I haven't actually looked at the code, and you prolly have |
| 20:44.37 | JeffM2501 | it was a while ago |
| 20:44.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: put the labels back |
| 20:44.50 | JeffM2501 | when I was puting it into a sound manager |
| 20:44.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.cxx: no, double P |
| 20:44.56 | JeffM2501 | uso, give that a whirl |
| 20:45.34 | DTRemenak | you're sure checking a lot into v2_0branch :) |
| 20:45.34 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 20:45.45 | ts | too much :p |
| 20:45.50 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 20:45.51 | uso | cvs update is running, not sure if it already gets it |
| 20:45.55 | DTRemenak | I'm just teasing :) |
| 20:46.00 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 20:46.00 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 20:46.00 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501 knows a lot of things ;) |
| 20:46.00 | JeffM2501 | dude, who's the first person you'd think that would want it all to die ;) |
| 20:46.12 | DTRemenak | that's why you're a good target for teasing when you do it :) |
| 20:46.19 | ts | seriously I think a simulation in bzfs would be the easiest thing as of now |
| 20:46.38 | JeffM2501 | I do, I am the god of biscuts, therfor I am granted a portfolo of certan knowledges and abilities |
| 20:47.11 | DTRemenak | mm, biscuits |
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| 20:47.44 | ts | JeffM2501: I was told there was a pretty good simulation of tank speed in 1.10.x..too bad it wasn't "fixed" :/ |
| 20:48.04 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 20:48.11 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 is based on 1.10 |
| 20:48.11 | trepan | JeffM2501: "want it all to die" -- not trying hard enough? ;) |
| 20:48.14 | JeffM2501 | so it shoudl have it all |
| 20:48.19 | JeffM2501 | trepan, yeah I'm lazy |
| 20:48.42 | ts | no, it was not in cvs..only viper server, I think |
| 20:48.59 | JeffM2501 | then that person should have commited it |
| 20:49.36 | ts | it kicked some players that probably didn't cheat, only Macs, though |
| 20:49.48 | JeffM2501 | yay, I like code that kicks macs |
| 20:49.51 | DTRemenak | iirc that particular code had a problem synchronizing, so it just kicked people |
| 20:49.55 | JeffM2501 | can we make some that kicks amigas too? |
| 20:50.00 | JeffM2501 | they were always so smug |
| 20:50.08 | DTRemenak | kicking people for lagspikes is not terribly cool |
| 20:50.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's the only rason I've done it in 2.0 |
| 20:50.42 | JeffM2501 | is for those |
| 20:50.55 | JeffM2501 | cus it dosn't look like 2.2 will be soon |
| 20:51.17 | JeffM2501 | none of the 2.0 stuff is long term features, just stuff to help somone right now |
| 20:51.26 | JeffM2501 | like louman |
| 20:51.27 | ts | first of all we need features to make people switch to 2.2 |
| 20:51.55 | JeffM2501 | few will swap till we say it's done |
| 20:52.03 | JeffM2501 | but yes, we need big features |
| 20:52.07 | JeffM2501 | I don't have time for big features |
| 20:52.23 | DTRemenak | some big feature would be good enough, actually...then the beta builds could start at least |
| 20:52.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:52.41 | JeffM2501 | any fix for lag spikes would be good |
| 20:52.50 | JeffM2501 | I could do my CTF mod that could help |
| 20:52.57 | uso | ts: i disagree, a noticably better cheat protection would be a big argument to switch people to 2.2 |
| 20:53.00 | JeffM2501 | as well as tutorials |
| 20:53.11 | JeffM2501 | uso, but he said that'd be hard ;) |
| 20:53.11 | DTRemenak | uso: that there is a feature |
| 20:53.50 | uso | yeah, ok, i thought feature was meant in new grafics, flags and such stuff |
| 20:53.55 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 20:54.09 | JeffM2501 | that's just what has been done mostly in the past |
| 20:54.10 | ts | uso: Only for 50% of the league players >:) |
| 20:54.12 | DTRemenak | feature is anything new and noticable |
| 20:54.14 | JeffM2501 | cus we've had to be compatabile |
| 20:54.28 | uso | lol. i hope for more than 50% ;) |
| 20:54.30 | JeffM2501 | with 2.2 we don't have to be compatable so we can add biger features to the back end |
| 20:55.32 | ts | some GUI work could be done |
| 20:55.40 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 20:55.40 | DTRemenak | some has been done, ts |
| 20:55.48 | DTRemenak | have some more to do |
| 20:55.53 | ts | However....it's OpenGL which I don't know |
| 20:56.11 | JeffM2501 | sounds like what your advicating is some sort of "plan" |
| 20:57.24 | DTRemenak | ts: no better time to learn! |
| 20:58.01 | ts | DTRemenak: other studies have more priority for me.. |
| 20:58.32 | DTRemenak | ts: that's really the problem for most of the devs: insufficient time |
| 20:59.29 | DTRemenak | nobody has time to bust out big features like we've done in the past, and nobody has time to herd cats^W^W organize a team to implement them |
| 20:59.52 | uso | :) |
| 21:00.01 | JeffM2501 | nobody needs to get his ass in gear if he's got all that time! |
| 21:00.17 | JeffM2501 | oh I could heard the cats, that's easy |
| 21:00.36 | JeffM2501 | it's just the cat's won't listen :) |
| 21:00.43 | DTRemenak | that's part of herding them :) |
| 21:00.44 | ts | well, we need reasonable features to make the people update their clients..so we need at least a "roadmap" |
| 21:00.47 | JeffM2501 | they are all sleeping on the old hearder |
| 21:00.52 | JeffM2501 | ts that's a plan |
| 21:01.10 | DTRemenak | ts: draw one up and convince people to do chunks of it (hah) |
| 21:01.49 | JeffM2501 | and fearless to say it's good :) |
| 21:01.53 | JeffM2501 | that's the fun part |
| 21:02.06 | ts | hrm :/ |
| 21:02.08 | DTRemenak | that's not too bad...just takes a few hours and a lot of typing |
| 21:02.09 | uso | gah, someone added a new plugin to 2.0 ... rebuild from scratch :( |
| 21:02.14 | JeffM2501 | hours? |
| 21:02.15 | JeffM2501 | days |
| 21:02.23 | JeffM2501 | each issue will take hourst to just get read |
| 21:02.25 | uso | just an idea for 2.2, separete the plugin code |
| 21:02.27 | DTRemenak | sorry, hours per point on the roadmap |
| 21:02.54 | JeffM2501 | uso, on windows they are ;) |
| 21:03.07 | ts | During the semester I have little to no time, between them I can do all day whatever I want |
| 21:03.12 | uso | would need more arguments to make me swap ;) |
| 21:03.22 | DTRemenak | ts: so we can expect lots of code over winter break? :D |
| 21:03.33 | JeffM2501 | IIRC nix could have been done the same way, but it wasn't |
| 21:03.55 | DTRemenak | they were done the other way, then tied back in |
| 21:04.05 | ts | DTRemenak: You can expect I try to :p |
| 21:04.12 | DTRemenak | yay :) |
| 21:04.29 | ts | but I won't guarantee it will work ;) |
| 21:05.35 | ts | I'll try sim code.. |
| 21:11.20 | ts | Regard a plan: Certainly I'm not the one who could convince people, often I'm not even confinced regarding my own stuff |
| 21:14.39 | uso | JeffM2501: tank labels are looking good, thanks |
| 21:42.58 | JeffM2501 | cool |
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| 22:27.40 | Legoguy | in anon cvs, atm, there's a build error on include/MXpr.h line 46, removing the MXpr:: from the line resolves it (not sure if this has been fixed in non-anon cvs already or what, just fyi.) |
| 22:27.53 | DTRemenak | anoncvs is current |
| 22:29.01 | Legoguy | im not even sure if thats the correct fix for it, but hey, it builds fine with no errors now :P |
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| 22:29.41 | DTRemenak | that's correct |
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| 22:33.20 | DTRemenak | hm |
| 22:33.23 | DTRemenak | oh well |
| 22:34.29 | AAA_awright | A-Delusion: Did you want to see a demo of BZFS Admin? |
| 22:34.38 | A-Delusion | sure |
| 22:34.45 | AAA_awright | Right, I will set that up |
| 22:34.54 | A-Delusion | this is in php? |
| 22:35.09 | AAA_awright | All PHP |
| 22:35.28 | A-Delusion | can RPG_ look at it too? |
| 22:35.36 | AAA_awright | https://labs.redjacket.ws/bzfsadmin/ |
| 22:35.39 | AAA_awright | sure |
| 22:35.47 | AAA_awright | What is the BZFlag callsign you are using? |
| 22:35.53 | AAA_awright | callsign(s) |
| 22:36.03 | A-Delusion | optic delusion |
| 22:36.52 | A-Delusion | Your callsign and password were correct, but you were denied access to the control panel, because you do not have the login permission. |
| 22:37.01 | AAA_awright | I need to give your callsign permissions |
| 22:37.05 | AAA_awright | hold on |
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| 22:45.49 | AAA_awright | A-Delusion: Try now |
| 22:46.00 | A-Delusion | ok |
| 22:46.23 | A-Delusion | I'm in |
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| 22:48.16 | A-Delusion | there's a bzadmin on each of those servers? |
| 22:49.05 | AAA_awright | Yes |
| 22:49.15 | AAA_awright | You mean the web bzadmin? |
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| 22:59.18 | Legoguy | mmmmk so the huge gmwar map autokicks when i go through one of the gallery drop tubes, "player location too high", or something |
| 23:00.32 | findlay | heh, got to love those |
| 23:06.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/include/MXpr.h: at least build. there are other problems here too (for one, what's all this code doing in a header file?) |
| 23:06.36 | DTRemenak | wow, CIA-3 is fast today |
| 23:06.52 | DTRemenak | only 40 minutes delay |
| 23:06.55 | blast007 | heh |
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