| 00:00.03 | philb | Let me look at DNS entry. |
| 00:00.35 | *** join/#bzflag A-Delusion (n=A-Delusi@pool-151-201-218-200.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:00.40 | blast007 | I get to bzfs from the hostname at that port |
| 00:00.52 | Erroneous | from m.b.o? |
| 00:00.59 | blast007 | both local and m.b.o |
| 00:01.11 | philb | Yeah, it's set up to 150, not 155, so that is correct. |
| 00:01.33 | philb | It has an A record for 0.bladica.com |
| 00:02.03 | blast007 | a "telnet 0.bladica.com 5156" on the list server responds with "BZFS0026" |
| 00:02.17 | philb | What does that mean? |
| 00:02.29 | Erroneous | means that the list server can hit your server just fine |
| 00:02.48 | Erroneous | but it's not, so something else is wrong |
| 00:03.01 | philb | I haven't seen my server in the list for days. |
| 00:03.46 | philb | Does that mean I'm runnning 2.6? |
| 00:04.00 | philb | I guess I could upgrade, but I doubt that/'s the problem. |
| 00:04.01 | Erroneous | Thu Nov 30 19:02:16 EST 2006 208.111.3.146 POST ARGS: action=ADD, nameport=0.bladica.com:5156, version=BZFS0026, gameinfo=007a00050000001e0000000000001e000200070007000700070005, build=2.0.8.20061021-MAINT-linux-gnu, checktokens=, groups=EVERYONE<\r><\n>VERIFIED<\r><\n>, advertgroups=EVERYONE, title=Bladlander: Eria Ziel map by w00t! Fast Server. |
| 00:04.03 | Erroneous | Requesting address is 208.111.3.146 while server is at 208.111.3.150. |
| 00:04.24 | philb | Those are both at my machine. |
| 00:04.30 | Erroneous | yeah, but they aren't the same |
| 00:04.32 | blast007 | philb: 0026 means bzflag 2.0.x |
| 00:04.37 | philb | ok |
| 00:04.42 | Erroneous | your dns entry has to match the outbound address used by bzfs |
| 00:04.53 | blast007 | you can force it with -i |
| 00:04.58 | Erroneous | yup |
| 00:05.10 | blast007 | the pm server had that issue too I think |
| 00:05.24 | philb | That sounds like a stale dns entry in the list server |
| 00:05.24 | Erroneous | yeah, several have |
| 00:05.28 | Erroneous | no, dns resolves to 208.111.3.150 |
| 00:05.38 | blast007 | philb: no, you probably have multiple interfaces, right? |
| 00:05.38 | Erroneous | the request is coming from the wrong interface though |
| 00:05.51 | blast007 | so you have to tell bzfs which interface to use |
| 00:05.55 | philb | I have 13 addresses. 1 interface alive. |
| 00:06.08 | blast007 | virtual interfaces |
| 00:06.19 | Erroneous | philb: basically the list server is recieving a message from .146, telling it to add .150, so it refuses |
| 00:06.19 | philb | ok. do I set that in the .conf file? |
| 00:06.23 | blast007 | -i |
| 00:06.33 | blast007 | then an IP address after that |
| 00:06.40 | blast007 | -i 208.111.3.150 |
| 00:07.03 | philb | Originally, the name was on the 146 address, but that's my vhost address so I gave bladica.com it's own address. |
| 00:07.38 | philb | I wonder what is remembering the old address? |
| 00:07.51 | Erroneous | it's your default outbound address, probably |
| 00:08.01 | philb | Probably |
| 00:08.43 | Erroneous | does bzfs read back from the connection after sending the ADD? |
| 00:08.59 | Erroneous | we could have the list server dump the error back to bzfs so it would show up in server logs |
| 00:09.15 | philb | I just fixed that. Let's see if it's ok now. |
| 00:09.38 | blast007 | I know it reads back for the token stuff, so it has the ability to do so, if it doesn't already |
| 00:09.45 | Erroneous | list server says its fine this time, philb |
| 00:10.00 | philb | Yup, it's there. Thanks for the help. |
| 00:10.33 | Erroneous | no problem |
| 00:10.37 | philb | And, yes, the main eth0 address is the 146 address. The others are aliases. |
| 00:11.41 | philb | You guys rock. Million thanks. |
| 00:11.43 | JeffM2501 | ahh so the public wasn't the right ady |
| 00:11.44 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:12.33 | philb | These darn machines are so literal. but I can see why you would want those to addresses to match to keep spoofed addresses out of the system. |
| 00:13.07 | Erroneous | hm, actually we DO dump the error back to bzfs |
| 00:13.22 | philb | I'm not seeing one in my logs set to -d -d -d -d |
| 00:13.33 | Erroneous | bzfs may just throw it away :) |
| 00:13.45 | philb | Unless it's so cryptic I don't recognize it. |
| 00:14.10 | Erroneous | not very cryptic; says ERROR: Requesting address is ... |
| 00:14.11 | philb | that could be. it's not there. |
| 00:14.20 | philb | No, that's definately not there. |
| 00:14.41 | philb | That would have made it so easy |
| 00:14.59 | Erroneous | yeah, it throws it out |
| 00:15.07 | philb | I guess I can go back to a lower logging level now. What do you all log at? |
| 00:15.50 | Erroneous | -d -d -d |
| 00:15.58 | Erroneous | the fourth d is rather, uh, verbose |
| 00:16.05 | philb | No kidding. |
| 00:16.26 | Erroneous | three logs basically everything that goes on, just not at such a low level |
| 00:17.21 | philb | I hope this map catches on. It's a great server and a great connection. quad xeon, lots of ram, 25mbps colo. |
| 00:18.40 | philb | They had one funky router there so I put FC6 on bittorrent and repeatedly killed it until they replaced it. |
| 00:18.53 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:19.02 | philb | Simple and effective. |
| 00:19.04 | Erroneous | I'm sure they hate people like you :) |
| 00:19.21 | philb | Probably |
| 00:19.47 | philb | They did admit that it had been soft for a while. I simply forced the issue. |
| 00:20.02 | philb | Lazy admins |
| 00:21.34 | Erroneous | philb: hm, at debuglevel 4 you should have gotten the error line from the list server |
| 00:21.47 | *** part/#bzflag Goee (i=cough@gateway/tor/x-60169ea062926b53) |
| 00:21.48 | Erroneous | "Got line: ERROR: Requested address..." |
| 00:21.58 | philb | I just erased the old log, but I never saw any lines with ERROR: on them. |
| 00:22.09 | philb | It's easy to duplicate, though. |
| 00:22.24 | Erroneous | true enough :) |
| 00:22.55 | philb | Are you a dev? |
| 00:23.24 | Erroneous | yes |
| 00:23.44 | philb | I'm a dev by trade. At Walt Disney World. |
| 00:24.34 | philb | I keep having to erase an n at the beginning of each line here. Old habits die hard. |
| 00:25.36 | philb | Ok, see ya and thanks for everything. This is a great game. Thanks to people like you all. Bravo. |
| 00:27.27 | Erroneous | hm, I'm just getting timeouts from the list server, no errors |
| 00:27.40 | Erroneous | I bet curl times out before bzfls does |
| 00:27.48 | Erroneous | so the error never gets sent |
| 00:39.50 | blast007 | probably |
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| 01:27.26 | philb | Erroneous: You stil here? |
| 01:28.08 | philb | Any admins here? |
| 01:28.18 | tannerld | define |
| 01:28.33 | philb | I had a user on my machine that I could not kick or ban |
| 01:28.51 | philb | When I would try to, I got an error message about a malformed IP address. |
| 01:29.01 | philb | Is this a known issue? |
| 01:30.24 | Erroneous | nope, sounds interesting |
| 01:30.38 | Erroneous | got logs? |
| 01:30.57 | philb | That was before I had logging on, so I have nothing. Sorry. But he was an ass and I'm guessing he'll be back. |
| 01:31.39 | philb | I'll get logs next time. Should I be on 4 -d's or is 3 ok? |
| 01:32.05 | Erroneous | 3 |
| 01:32.22 | Erroneous | 4 is too much unless you're actively debugging networking stuff |
| 01:32.30 | philb | ok, that's where I'm at. |
| 01:32.56 | philb | this happened Monday night. |
| 01:33.10 | Erroneous | ah |
| 01:33.54 | philb | I would not give him the pleasure of continuing to be destructive, so I took the server down for the night. Later that night, I decided to put it in the chroot jail before continuing and we worked that bug out earlier. |
| 01:35.12 | philb | Are there other things I should be logging? Do I need to set up a file for swearing words, or is there already a global configuration that I get automatically. |
| 01:36.23 | philb | I could use any tips from the experienced. |
| 01:38.21 | Erroneous | the source distribution ships with a swear list (two actually) |
| 01:38.30 | Erroneous | you may want to edit it depending on how strict you wish to be |
| 01:38.48 | Deadalot | Is it in use by default or do I have to specify something? |
| 01:39.03 | Erroneous | you need to copy it to an appropriate location and then tell the server to use it |
| 01:39.12 | Deadalot | Ok, I'll figure it out. |
| 01:39.22 | Erroneous | misc/multilingualSwearList.txt and misc/simpleSwearList.txt are the files |
| 01:39.30 | Deadalot | tnx |
| 01:39.37 | Erroneous | I don't remember the server option |
| 01:39.44 | Erroneous | but it should be relatively obvious from the manpage |
| 01:39.59 | Deadalot | I need two monitors... |
| 01:44.38 | a_meteorite | A-Delusion: OK, about your lies... |
| 01:44.47 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, not here man |
| 01:44.52 | JeffM2501 | only warning |
| 01:44.57 | a_meteorite | That's fine. |
| 01:45.05 | a_meteorite | I want him to respond. |
| 01:45.05 | JeffM2501 | you just need to calm down |
| 01:45.16 | a_meteorite | I'm never calm when people lie big things to me... |
| 01:45.25 | a_meteorite | Oh well |
| 01:45.28 | JeffM2501 | take it up in PM then |
| 01:45.29 | JeffM2501 | not here |
| 01:45.34 | a_meteorite | he don't listen to me |
| 01:45.38 | JeffM2501 | then deal with it |
| 01:45.51 | a_meteorite | ~make me deal |
| 01:45.53 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `me deal'. Stop. |
| 01:45.58 | JeffM2501 | don't make your self look like a biger jerk then you allready have |
| 01:46.07 | a_meteorite | Nah, I don't look like a jerk. |
| 01:46.17 | a_meteorite | In fact, I feel pretty good of doing the right thing. |
| 01:50.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bthansen 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (configure.ac plugins/Makefile.am): Add flagStay to the list of default plugins to build |
| 01:58.49 | a_meteorite | Thumper_: Files. Now. |
| 01:59.53 | a_meteorite | A-Delusion: Tell Thumper_. Files. Now. |
| 02:00.16 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, use PMs please |
| 02:00.21 | JeffM2501 | last warning |
| 02:00.25 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: I already did |
| 02:00.32 | JeffM2501 | then it dosn't belong here |
| 02:01.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/flagStay/flagStay.cpp: support multiple zones correctly |
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| 02:34.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: fix the shadow |
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| 02:51.05 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak|RDP] by ChanServ |
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| 03:16.53 | *** part/#bzflag delusional_ (n=A-Delusi@pool-151-201-218-200.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 03:17.21 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: minor problem... |
| 03:17.31 | *** join/#bzflag A-Delusion (n=A-Delusi@pool-151-201-218-200.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 03:17.43 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 03:18.00 | Thumper_ | beside that it doesn't compile.... if you're not in a zone which zone message do you send? |
| 03:18.08 | A-Delusion | n/join ##pm-private |
| 03:18.14 | A-Delusion | ngah!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:18.36 | JeffM2501 | bahh |
| 03:18.42 | JeffM2501 | once sec :) |
| 03:19.23 | brlcad | hehe |
| 03:19.28 | Thumper_ | and you need default: case in your select |
| 03:20.50 | JeffM2501 | I need to build the server so I can link :) |
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| 03:23.39 | JeffM2501 | what dosn't compile? |
| 03:24.08 | JeffM2501 | ahh I see |
| 03:25.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah how do we know what one you just left |
| 03:25.31 | JeffM2501 | last one in the list? |
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| 03:25.34 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 03:25.37 | JeffM2501 | track the last one you were in? |
| 03:31.25 | JeffM2501 | that's right, your dualie now |
| 03:31.29 | DTRemenak | yup :) |
| 03:31.43 | brlcad | just two? heh |
| 03:31.56 | a_meteorite | trillie! um.. |
| 03:32.03 | DTRemenak | two is much better than one. three is somewhat better yet :) |
| 03:32.04 | a_meteorite | triply? :) |
| 03:32.11 | DTRemenak | I don't have sufficient desk space though |
| 03:32.14 | blast007 | quadzie! |
| 03:32.25 | blast007 | oh wait, that's my server's hostname ;) |
| 03:32.28 | a_meteorite | octobery? |
| 03:32.28 | brlcad | the space would be found ;) |
| 03:32.39 | JeffM2501 | how many did chirs' give you? |
| 03:32.42 | JeffM2501 | he had a couple |
| 03:32.43 | DTRemenak | I'd have to switch to lcd |
| 03:32.49 | Deadalot | This is the year of the cheap LCD monitor |
| 03:32.50 | DTRemenak | just one |
| 03:33.07 | DTRemenak | I didn't particularly feel the need for another |
| 03:33.09 | Deadalot | I just picked up this 19" LCD for 129 after rebate. |
| 03:34.40 | JeffM2501 | I think I got a solution Thumper_ |
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| 03:39.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/flagStay/flagStay.cpp: use the last zone the player was in with the flag for the messages |
| 03:43.42 | fezzik23 | Im having a problem registering at my.bzflag.org/bb. Im getting the message "Specifying a website at the time of registration is not available." Any suggestions |
| 03:44.12 | blast007 | heh |
| 03:45.27 | blast007 | mainly cuz I'm a clutz ;) |
| 03:46.34 | orchid | can someone with some b/w and time download http://bzgirl.org/movie/lj.avi (14mb) and tell me if it has audio? |
| 03:46.44 | blast007 | fezzik23: should work now |
| 03:46.52 | blast007 | silly copy and paste gets me every time |
| 03:47.14 | fezzik23 | much better thanks/ |
| 03:47.19 | blast007 | ;) |
| 03:48.47 | fezzik23 | orchid, yes there is audio |
| 03:50.02 | orchid | fezzik23: good, a mac user is insisting there is no audio, blaming me |
| 03:50.33 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, give that a whirl |
| 03:50.38 | Thumper_ | broken |
| 03:50.39 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 03:50.48 | Thumper_ | flagStay.cpp:219: error: name lookup of `i' changed for new ISO `for' scoping |
| 03:50.48 | Thumper_ | flagStay.cpp:202: error: using obsolete binding at `i' |
| 03:51.42 | Thumper_ | you're using zoneList[i] inside the if (!insideOne) |
| 03:51.42 | a_meteorite | oh, I was thinking it was for spam bots |
| 03:51.45 | Thumper_ | but i is out of scope |
| 03:51.47 | a_meteorite | so they couldn't register with a web site |
| 03:51.52 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 04:00.15 | DTRemenak | isn't instant anoncvs great? |
| 04:00.34 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 04:00.36 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 04:00.53 | Thumper_ | what's weird? |
| 04:01.14 | DTRemenak | ISO scoping rules |
| 04:01.17 | JeffM2501 | I thougt I saved that change |
| 04:02.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/flagStay/flagStay.cpp: lastZone ! i |
| 04:02.37 | Thumper_ | yay! it compiles. :D |
| 04:02.40 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 04:05.43 | Thumper_ | and it doesn't drop the flag :( |
| 04:05.50 | JeffM2501 | bahh |
| 04:05.56 | JeffM2501 | I'll have to test it when I get home in a bit |
| 04:05.59 | Thumper_ | using the test map I sent you |
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| 04:15.52 | JeffM2501 | hmm it should drop the flag |
| 04:16.20 | JeffM2501 | it's all done by that insideOne bool |
| 04:16.54 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, can you check my logic real quick? |
| 04:17.14 | JeffM2501 | I know the flag check and point test is good, cus they work with one zone |
| 04:23.34 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: ok I take it back... works on my machine. |
| 04:23.41 | Thumper_ | I must be doing something dumb on the other server |
| 04:23.43 | JeffM2501 | bah!!!! |
| 04:23.51 | JeffM2501 | make me freet over code ;) |
| 04:23.55 | Thumper_ | sorry :/ |
| 04:23.58 | Thumper_ | :-P |
| 04:24.00 | JeffM2501 | it's ok |
| 04:24.03 | JeffM2501 | glad it works |
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| 04:38.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/MSVC/VC8/bzfs.vcproj: build, says I |
| 04:42.52 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ...and so it was built. |
| 04:44.03 | Thumper_ | ... and they came from far and wide to gaze upon its magnificence... |
| 04:44.13 | Thumper_ | ... and they looked at the comments and were confused. |
| 04:53.20 | Thumper_ | heh |
| 04:53.41 | Thumper_ | closer Jeff... now I can't pick up any flag except the one in the zone :) |
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| 05:06.54 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 05:11.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bthansen 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/flagStay/flagStay.cpp: |
| 05:11.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Only drop flags in flagstayzones |
| 05:11.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Fix comments |
| 05:11.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: ws. |
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| 05:14.11 | JeffM2501 | thanks for the fixes |
| 05:14.54 | Thumper_ | LouMan has cylinders for the flagstayzones |
| 05:15.07 | Thumper_ | and either one is in the wrong place or it still has a problem |
| 05:15.22 | Thumper_ | is there a cylinder mapping object |
| 05:15.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:15.32 | JeffM2501 | arcs |
| 05:15.33 | Thumper_ | so I can throw a solid cylinder in there to see where it is? |
| 05:15.35 | Thumper_ | ah thx |
| 05:15.45 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 05:16.04 | Thumper_ | and the mesh-only maps aren't much help with that |
| 05:16.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
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| 05:43.29 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: do you want to beat on this anymore tonight? |
| 05:47.05 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 05:47.14 | JeffM2501 | did a cylinder work? |
| 05:47.26 | Thumper_ | on LouMan's map one tower works and one doesn't |
| 05:47.35 | Thumper_ | acts as if the broken zone isn't in the right place |
| 05:47.40 | Thumper_ | but the coords look right to me |
| 05:47.49 | Thumper_ | I dont' have a test map with cylinders |
| 05:48.00 | JeffM2501 | k. I'll look at it |
| 05:48.00 | Thumper_ | and I'm too tired to make one tonight... |
| 05:48.06 | Thumper_ | want Lou's map? |
| 05:48.14 | JeffM2501 | let me review the code first |
| 05:48.20 | JeffM2501 | then I can make a sample |
| 05:48.33 | Thumper_ | ok - I'm off to sleep - cya in 8 hrs |
| 05:48.57 | Thumper_ | the towers are on X=0 at -276 and +276 Y |
| 05:49.17 | JeffM2501 | what are the Zs? |
| 05:49.20 | Thumper_ | the +276 works and the -276 drops all the time |
| 05:49.27 | Thumper_ | 1sec |
| 05:49.41 | Thumper_ | flagstayzone cylinder 0 276 43 64 20 flag GM message "GM flag removed - stays in tower" |
| 05:49.45 | Thumper_ | end |
| 05:49.47 | Thumper_ | flagstayzone cylinder 0 -276 43 64 20 flag GM message "GM flag removed - stays in tower" |
| 05:49.50 | Thumper_ | end |
| 05:50.08 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 05:50.12 | JeffM2501 | I'll check it out |
| 05:50.14 | Thumper_ | icky paste. sorry |
| 05:50.38 | Thumper_ | thx Jeff. night |
| 05:50.53 | JeffM2501 | see ya |
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| 06:50.44 | L4m3r | JeffM2501: awake/busy/pm? |
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| 07:04.29 | Robur | hi all! this is a test, just to learn how this works... |
| 07:04.46 | Robur | seems simple enough! |
| 07:05.42 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r sup? |
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| 07:11.56 | Thonolan | server list is down on bz ? |
| 07:18.06 | Robur | i dont think so... |
| 07:18.47 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ~bzflist |
| 07:19.31 | Thonolan | thx for info |
| 07:19.40 | Thonolan | so it must be something wrong here |
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| 07:58.45 | a_meteorite | Zur Zeit nicht da? |
| 07:59.35 | a_meteorite | RK present emergency there? |
| 08:26.23 | LePoulpe303 | Yaaaawwwwn |
| 08:28.38 | LePoulpe303 | All in all i'm just an other brick in the wall |
| 08:29.04 | L4m3r | You've misinterpreted the song. try again. :) |
| 08:30.21 | LePoulpe303 | L4m3r: i'm not surprised |
| 08:30.23 | LePoulpe303 | :) |
| 08:30.31 | LePoulpe303 | but like this it matches my mood |
| 08:31.46 | LePoulpe303 | but i really thought song said that |
| 08:35.13 | LePoulpe303 | so L4m3r enlighten me about the secrets that hides behind this song |
| 08:40.51 | LePoulpe303 | Manu: hola ? |
| 08:42.19 | Manu | salut LePoulpe303 :) |
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| 08:47.28 | LePoulpe303 | :) |
| 08:47.47 | LePoulpe303 | had you time to try tkban ? |
| 08:48.01 | L4m3r | LePoulpe303: The Wall is a concept album about a rockstar named Pink Floyd who goes insane. |
| 08:48.04 | LePoulpe303 | i saw bot suicide at 22:00 (Paris time) :) |
| 08:48.19 | Manu | I have no access to balin (the server where viper is hosted) now :( |
| 08:48.21 | Manu | a net problem |
| 08:49.07 | L4m3r | the "Wall" is Pink's invention, a psycological barrier he creates around himself |
| 08:49.26 | Manu | LePoulpe303: yesterday I executed tkban Manu and no other player were banned |
| 08:49.41 | L4m3r | when he talks about someone or something being "another brick in the wall", he's saying it's another contributor to his isolation |
| 08:49.53 | L4m3r | not just calling them a nobody as the common interpretation goes :) |
| 08:50.03 | Manu | Hi L4m3r |
| 08:50.20 | L4m3r | Hi Manu :) |
| 08:52.01 | L4m3r | the main "bricks in the wall" are the absence of Pink's father (lost in war), his overbearing mother, psychotic teacher, and later his distant wife |
| 08:56.35 | LePoulpe303 | L4m3r: the film looks rather like a paranoid delirium |
| 09:01.27 | LePoulpe303 | Manu: that means that you successfuly banned yourself, or taht it didn't banned you but luckily banned nobody else? |
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| 09:08.16 | Manu | LePoulpe303: no, I'm ban protected |
| 09:08.38 | Manu | the bot did the ban but the server rejected it |
| 09:12.32 | brlcad | *yawn* |
| 09:13.28 | LePoulpe303 | Manu: so i f you want i can give you the bot code , so that you can host it and add whatever alias you want |
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| 09:14.08 | Manu | good morning brlcad :) |
| 09:15.09 | Manu | LePoulpe303: I'm a bit busy at now :/ |
| 09:15.13 | brlcad | morning manu |
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| 12:35.10 | LePoulpe303 | 1vs1 anyone ? |
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| 16:04.33 | SportChick | brlcad: pingy |
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| 17:04.22 | ts | brlcad: ping |
| 17:05.04 | Manu | wasn't v2_0branch version only open for bugfix? |
| 17:05.18 | Manu | probably some devs forgot it |
| 17:05.51 | Manu | or the topic must be changed |
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| 17:14.10 | JeffM2501 | Manu, or it was more of a guideline :) |
| 17:14.14 | JeffM2501 | but your right |
| 17:14.33 | JeffM2501 | it's just that there dosn't look like there's gonna be a 2.2 for a while |
| 17:14.45 | JeffM2501 | but we still got no plans for a 2.0.10 |
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| 17:14.50 | JeffM2501 | so it's all little stuff |
| 17:17.23 | Erroneous | there's no particular reason NOT to have a .10 if we're not planning on releasing 2.2 for a while |
| 17:18.01 | Erroneous | oops, I just used that p word again |
| 17:18.18 | JeffM2501 | dunno |
| 17:18.25 | JeffM2501 | not raly any big features |
| 17:18.32 | JeffM2501 | are there any killer bugs? |
| 17:18.42 | Erroneous | not really |
| 17:18.55 | JeffM2501 | if there was somethign big I'd be more inclinded |
| 17:19.00 | Erroneous | most of the stuff that's been checked in is server-side too |
| 17:19.04 | JeffM2501 | but the stuff that's been added isn't stuff everyone needs |
| 17:19.19 | JeffM2501 | and I'd not want to push some new features into branch JUST to make a .10 |
| 17:19.26 | JeffM2501 | rather that work go into head |
| 17:19.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:19.41 | JeffM2501 | or observer info to help out some specific people |
| 17:20.37 | Erroneous | nevertheless, "release early, release often" :) |
| 17:20.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:21.00 | JeffM2501 | but if it dosn't do anything for our users, it will burn them on updating |
| 17:21.11 | JeffM2501 | if we had a better fix for screenshots, that may be worth it |
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| 17:21.38 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather push out .2 sans server side state, first tho |
| 17:21.47 | Erroneous | I've considered spawning a thread for screenshots, but I'd not want to check that into branch |
| 17:22.23 | Erroneous | and I haven't tested whether the slowdown is the actual compression or the glGetPixels, or both |
| 17:22.41 | JeffM2501 | glGetPixels will be slow on most hardware |
| 17:22.49 | Erroneous | yeah, but how slow |
| 17:22.54 | JeffM2501 | it is techincaly one of the gl commands that is "evil" |
| 17:22.56 | JeffM2501 | hella slow |
| 17:23.04 | Erroneous | I'm talking in ms here :) |
| 17:23.10 | JeffM2501 | it's like cardinal sin class |
| 17:23.11 | Erroneous | not vague generalities |
| 17:23.22 | JeffM2501 | depends on the size of the context |
| 17:23.43 | Erroneous | if we find that only 10% of our screenshot time is glGetPixels, and compression is chewing the rest, then spinning compression into its own thread could help significantly |
| 17:23.45 | JeffM2501 | but fonttool uses it, and used to not compress, it'd sometimes take 1000-2000ms to do a midrange window |
| 17:23.54 | Erroneous | wow |
| 17:23.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:24.04 | JeffM2501 | cus it has to get it BACK from the framebuffer |
| 17:24.15 | JeffM2501 | and most cards are not set up to copy that memory back over the bus |
| 17:24.25 | JeffM2501 | it's actualy better on software |
| 17:24.38 | JeffM2501 | heck on a SLI system you CAN't even call that |
| 17:24.46 | JeffM2501 | cus the framebuffer may not be on the current card |
| 17:24.51 | Erroneous | any faster way to get the screenshot? can we render a frame to a texture and dump it to disk from there? |
| 17:25.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah we can |
| 17:25.12 | JeffM2501 | but that ain't easy |
| 17:25.22 | JeffM2501 | would take some restructuring |
| 17:25.43 | JeffM2501 | you can run into problems if the frame buffer is larger then the max GL texture |
| 17:25.46 | Erroneous | yeah, I know we're not set up for it...just thinking :) |
| 17:25.52 | JeffM2501 | some limit the texture to 1024x1024 |
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| 17:26.02 | JeffM2501 | so you have to do some tricky patchwork |
| 17:26.06 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 17:26.24 | JeffM2501 | best would be to have sim not freak on the spike |
| 17:26.30 | JeffM2501 | cus there are other ways to get a spike |
| 17:26.31 | JeffM2501 | save the map |
| 17:26.38 | JeffM2501 | alt-tab |
| 17:26.40 | JeffM2501 | etc.. |
| 17:26.59 | Erroneous | yeah, but that would require major restructuring too |
| 17:27.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:27.11 | JeffM2501 | but it fixes more situations for the work |
| 17:27.13 | JeffM2501 | rather then just one |
| 17:27.30 | JeffM2501 | time beter spent, etc.. |
| 17:27.48 | JeffM2501 | and if we did that in a 2.2 it'd be forced upgrade, so no worry about old clients |
| 17:28.07 | JeffM2501 | cleaner from a comunity level |
| 17:28.26 | JeffM2501 | WHOHOO, got the home commands to finaly work :) |
| 17:30.03 | JeffM2501 | but we'd also have a lot of testing and cleanup on the head side as well |
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| 17:31.16 | Erroneous | yup |
| 17:32.07 | JeffM2501 | and I'd actualy have to fix the API |
| 17:32.08 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 17:34.47 | JeffM2501 | the big thing for a 2.2 would be, we'd probably have to be ok with there only being a 2.2.0, and not a line of them like 2.0, cus we'd probably want to keep changing the proto, to add more server stuff |
| 17:35.02 | JeffM2501 | so we'd end up with a 2.4 rather quick |
| 17:35.08 | JeffM2501 | not that, that is a bad thing |
| 17:35.12 | JeffM2501 | just difrent from our old MO |
| 17:36.03 | JeffM2501 | but maybe it's not a bad thing to force upgrades for each release |
| 17:36.12 | L4m3r | unless 2.2.0 is released with any major bugs ;) |
| 17:36.21 | JeffM2501 | specialy if we have a beter way of new version notification |
| 17:36.33 | JeffM2501 | yes, I'm SURE we'd end up with at 2.2.2 rather fast :) |
| 17:36.41 | JeffM2501 | but we'd not take it out too .8 or .10 |
| 17:36.49 | Robur | I see no problem with forced upgrades... you could even have integrated forced updates! |
| 17:36.58 | ts | if no one tests we need a 2.2.2 and then a 2.2.4 |
| 17:37.00 | JeffM2501 | Robur, 2.2 has the start of that |
| 17:37.08 | JeffM2501 | ts, yes we'd have to test |
| 17:37.09 | Robur | cool |
| 17:37.15 | L4m3r | that'd get tough for compiled clients (updating inline, that is) |
| 17:37.26 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, it's more of a notification |
| 17:37.33 | JeffM2501 | for windows we ask if they want to download |
| 17:37.40 | L4m3r | yeah, notification is good :) |
| 17:37.40 | JeffM2501 | for linux we tell em to get newer code |
| 17:38.00 | ts | alone the added things against cheating yet have to be tested on a busy server.. |
| 17:38.03 | JeffM2501 | it's not as cool as like a wow patch, but it's better then we got now |
| 17:38.12 | JeffM2501 | ts, yes yes, I'm not saying we just drop it now |
| 17:38.17 | JeffM2501 | we'd need a month or 2 of testing |
| 17:38.29 | ts | Remember 2.0.0 :/ |
| 17:38.32 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 17:38.37 | Erroneous | and 1.10.0 :) |
| 17:38.46 | JeffM2501 | and 1.8 |
| 17:38.49 | ts | I was new at 1.10.0 |
| 17:39.02 | JeffM2501 | I don't want to see 2.1 go down the 1.8 path |
| 17:39.05 | ts | never saw the stuff before that |
| 17:39.28 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: we aren't doing the same scale of rewrite |
| 17:39.33 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 17:39.43 | JeffM2501 | the reasons may be difrent |
| 17:39.53 | JeffM2501 | but with the slowdowns, it's still a posibility |
| 17:40.13 | JeffM2501 | and talk of "well lets just release a new 2.0.x" seems very famialar to the talk we had about 1.8 :) |
| 17:40.26 | Erroneous | well sure |
| 17:40.32 | JeffM2501 | just needs to be watched |
| 17:41.04 | Erroneous | if we are at release X.Y.A and release X.Z won't be ready for a long time, you do an X.Y.B. |
| 17:41.21 | JeffM2501 | if B has anything |
| 17:41.26 | JeffM2501 | there are qualifiers I feel |
| 17:41.35 | JeffM2501 | right now B has nothing a player would use or want |
| 17:41.50 | Erroneous | neither does 2.2 |
| 17:41.56 | JeffM2501 | it has slightly more |
| 17:42.01 | Erroneous | like? |
| 17:42.02 | JeffM2501 | the flag stuff woudl help some cheating |
| 17:42.18 | JeffM2501 | as well as the new bot stuff |
| 17:42.21 | JeffM2501 | if it's ready to be used |
| 17:42.28 | JeffM2501 | also the new shots, etc.. |
| 17:42.32 | JeffM2501 | it's not big |
| 17:42.36 | JeffM2501 | but it's at least something |
| 17:42.36 | Erroneous | bot stuff won't appeal to the typical player |
| 17:42.40 | JeffM2501 | probalby not |
| 17:42.44 | Erroneous | yeah, I guess there are a few graphics things |
| 17:42.57 | JeffM2501 | the flag stuff and the few cheat checks that have made it in, would as well |
| 17:43.06 | JeffM2501 | it'd not be everything they want, but it's at least a step |
| 17:43.07 | Erroneous | the thing the bot stuff could do is form a nice foundation for a tutorial mode thing |
| 17:43.12 | Erroneous | ooh, it has frames :) |
| 17:43.15 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:43.51 | ts | JeffM2501: One note to the new mountains..they look good but the clouds go through them |
| 17:43.54 | JeffM2501 | I think we are ether gonna have to do a push, or just be content with the fact that this is going to be a longer cycle |
| 17:43.55 | Erroneous | and I have several trees worth of stuff not quite ready to check in :) |
| 17:44.07 | JeffM2501 | ts, yeah I have to fix them, they arn't in the right space |
| 17:44.17 | ts | it's like it draws the clouds which are behind the mountains, too |
| 17:44.23 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, it's posible after xmass break we'll have more features |
| 17:44.31 | ts | and it makes it obvious the clouds are 2D |
| 17:44.32 | JeffM2501 | ts, yeah the order is odd |
| 17:44.33 | Erroneous | that is quite possible indeed |
| 17:44.42 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to redo the clouds too |
| 17:44.45 | JeffM2501 | but that takes time |
| 17:44.48 | Robur | I know something to add that wouldn't be hard and would make everyone line up for an upgrade: an integrated friends or favorite servers list :-) |
| 17:45.05 | JeffM2501 | Robur, yeah tha'ts been talked about |
| 17:45.10 | JeffM2501 | a better way for listing servers |
| 17:45.22 | JeffM2501 | friends would need a central system to track players |
| 17:45.28 | JeffM2501 | and right now the list server dosn't do that |
| 17:45.34 | JeffM2501 | Robur, willing to write it? |
| 17:45.35 | Robur | that wouldn't be hard.. |
| 17:45.40 | Erroneous | we really need some kind of design for the new server list display |
| 17:45.42 | Robur | mabye :-) |
| 17:45.43 | L4m3r | fix the list before adding features? :) |
| 17:45.47 | JeffM2501 | hook it up |
| 17:45.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah the list needs work |
| 17:46.01 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, fix it :) |
| 17:46.13 | Erroneous | I mean, a design stage...just implementing it, like we usually do, probably won't cut it for that particular feature |
| 17:46.24 | L4m3r | Idruther not break anything on a live list server :) |
| 17:46.31 | Erroneous | L4m3r: run a second |
| 17:46.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's doing to need that P word |
| 17:46.41 | Robur | I could do the server side if someone wants to add the "check in - check out - filter" part to the client... |
| 17:46.46 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, so make a copy and have 2.2 use a new URL |
| 17:46.58 | JeffM2501 | there is nothing that says 2.2 has to use the same list php |
| 17:47.16 | Erroneous | it really ought to |
| 17:47.20 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 17:47.27 | JeffM2501 | if the current one is such crap? |
| 17:47.39 | JeffM2501 | it's be nice from a maint side |
| 17:47.42 | JeffM2501 | but it dosn't HAVE to |
| 17:47.43 | Erroneous | well, if the current one is crap, then it should be replaced |
| 17:47.45 | L4m3r | you're the one who said it was a resource pig :P |
| 17:47.57 | Robur | have to go...bye! hopefully be back soon... |
| 17:48.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah but if we can't do it with out breaking the old... |
| 17:48.06 | Erroneous | ideally the replacement should handle the 2.0 servers as well |
| 17:48.09 | JeffM2501 | split it off, for dev |
| 17:48.20 | L4m3r | JeffM2501: *I* can't do it without breaking it |
| 17:48.23 | L4m3r | hehehe |
| 17:48.28 | JeffM2501 | then if the new one is compatable with the old one, change the URL back before we release |
| 17:48.33 | JeffM2501 | and swap the live at release time |
| 17:48.41 | Erroneous | ohhh yeah, definitely don't test on live :) |
| 17:49.08 | JeffM2501 | I kinda like the idea of the incompatable head using it's own list, for development |
| 17:49.09 | L4m3r | it's written in PHP, right? |
| 17:49.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:49.16 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: why? |
| 17:49.24 | L4m3r | ick. that's probably half the problem. :P |
| 17:49.28 | JeffM2501 | so we can update that dev one with out fear |
| 17:49.35 | JeffM2501 | yet still stress test it |
| 17:49.39 | Erroneous | L4m3r: feel free to rewrite it in whatever you want |
| 17:49.46 | JeffM2501 | so every build just uses that one by default |
| 17:49.49 | Erroneous | just needs to handle the http requests |
| 17:50.06 | Erroneous | even if you want to do it in c and integrate tinyhttpd or something, that's cool too |
| 17:50.11 | L4m3r | yeah... it's not easy to optimize PHP I would think |
| 17:50.31 | JeffM2501 | just kinda for forced testing, Erroneous |
| 17:50.35 | ts | I think the client should sent a little ping to every server it currently displays in the list. Not all, just the ones on the page it shows..and show that latency |
| 17:50.50 | JeffM2501 | or at least the curently selected server |
| 17:51.00 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: if the list server is going to be changed, then sure, we can change head to use the dev version |
| 17:51.20 | Erroneous | but there's no reason to run it on a different list server just for the sake of being different |
| 17:51.31 | JeffM2501 | oh no, I mean if we make a new one |
| 17:51.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah if it's good, it's good |
| 17:51.53 | JeffM2501 | I Just mean make it default when it's got something to work to force testing |
| 17:52.16 | JeffM2501 | unless there is posibilitys that a dev client can kill the list as it's being worked on |
| 17:52.21 | Erroneous | besides, it's not really a very good test on head...the real test would be moving 2.0 over to it (another good reason for it to be backwards compatible) |
| 17:52.51 | JeffM2501 | well for that test, we could manualy change 2.0 clients to use the dev URL |
| 17:52.59 | Erroneous | no, I mean, load testing |
| 17:53.07 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:53.09 | Erroneous | hundreds of players sort of thing |
| 17:53.19 | JeffM2501 | I'd do load testing on head, if that works out, then move it live |
| 17:53.21 | Erroneous | our current solution works just fine and dandy for three servers and nine players |
| 17:53.23 | JeffM2501 | and pray :) |
| 17:53.36 | JeffM2501 | we need a better beta program :) |
| 17:53.49 | Erroneous | we had a pretty good beta setup with 2.1 |
| 17:53.52 | Erroneous | err 1.11 |
| 17:54.03 | Erroneous | we should totally do the same thing on 2.1 |
| 17:54.13 | Erroneous | just need some new features to get people interested |
| 17:54.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:54.31 | JeffM2501 | fish missles! |
| 17:54.41 | Erroneous | but the weekly/biweekly public builds were a great source of test feedback |
| 17:55.14 | JeffM2501 | I could add my new CTF mode, that may generate interst |
| 17:56.38 | Erroneous | hm, we should finish the tutorial stuff |
| 17:57.06 | JeffM2501 | the server side players just needed a bit more work |
| 17:57.09 | JeffM2501 | and the channels |
| 17:57.16 | Erroneous | I think there was something I was going to commit that you had asked for |
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| 17:57.30 | Erroneous | one of my miscellaneous trees at home |
| 17:57.31 | JeffM2501 | the popup dialog |
| 17:57.35 | Erroneous | yeah |
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| 18:01.48 | Erroneous | bzflag builds much faster on an a64 3000+ than a k6-2 200 |
| 18:02.23 | ts | How many seconds? |
| 18:02.58 | Manu | JeffM2501: :) |
| 18:03.06 | Erroneous | dunno |
| 18:08.13 | Pogovina | good afternoon, JeffM2501 and Erroneous |
| 18:08.20 | Erroneous | g'day, Pogovina |
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| 18:32.59 | JeffM2501 | allo |
| 18:33.09 | Robur | allo to you! |
| 18:33.42 | Pogovina | hi robur |
| 18:33.48 | Robur | hi... |
| 18:34.15 | Robur | me too! |
| 18:34.30 | Pogovina | yay! we can do the stranger dance |
| 18:34.37 | Robur | no thanks... |
| 18:34.59 | Pogovina | lol, I'll hush myself before JeffM2501 comes after me for being OT |
| 18:35.07 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 18:35.41 | Pogovina | I'm trying to behave in here, since it's Spldarts favorite place, JeffM2501 |
| 18:35.52 | JeffM2501 | oh it's no bigie |
| 18:36.05 | Pogovina | don't need to get myself ip banned or something :p |
| 18:36.14 | Pogovina | thank you, sir |
| 18:36.15 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, I tested more then one cylinder zone last night and it worked fine |
| 18:36.21 | JeffM2501 | oh it takes a lot to get IP banned |
| 18:36.28 | Pogovina | good to know |
| 18:37.15 | Robur | at least I dont get lagkicked here... :-) i'm on sattellite internet, so not many servers let me play :-) |
| 18:37.32 | JeffM2501 | gotta hate that speed of light |
| 18:37.39 | Robur | i know :-( |
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| 18:45.02 | Robur | welcome! |
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| 18:58.34 | Pogovina | short_circuit, having problems? |
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| 19:08.55 | Pogovina | yep, i guess short_circuit was having problems |
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| 19:18.18 | biggeruniverse | LG is wacky. can't wait to use that on some open servers |
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| 19:26.27 | biggeruniverse | You all need to be quiet. I can't hear myself think. |
| 19:26.39 | Pogovina | shh |
| 19:27.01 | blast007 | biggeruniverse: what is LG? |
| 19:27.10 | blast007 | low gravity? |
| 19:28.08 | biggeruniverse | yes |
| 19:29.02 | biggeruniverse | I happened to pick it up once when I was testing some changes. Felt like walking on the moon. |
| 19:31.15 | biggeruniverse | I think it would be neater if gravity would return to normal as soon as you drop the flag(like mid-jump), but it doesn't seem to |
| 19:31.59 | blast007 | hmm, one would think it should |
| 19:32.19 | blast007 | is it a good or a bad flag? |
| 19:32.20 | biggeruniverse | It's hard to tell on this little 400mhz |
| 19:32.20 | Robur | wings works like that... |
| 19:32.24 | biggeruniverse | good |
| 19:32.35 | Robur | sounds bad to me :-) |
| 19:32.37 | blast007 | Robur: no, wings does not work like that |
| 19:33.03 | biggeruniverse | how then? |
| 19:33.13 | blast007 | hmm, though maybe the gravity part does |
| 19:33.17 | blast007 | I haven't checked on that |
| 19:33.18 | biggeruniverse | I don't recall ever trying to drop wings when flying |
| 19:33.22 | Robur | it does! you can be flying, accidentally drop the flag, and then you loose your steering power before you even hit he ground. |
| 19:33.29 | Robur | at least it does for me :-( |
| 19:33.29 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 19:33.37 | blast007 | but the main effect goes away (being able to control motion in-air) |
| 19:33.51 | biggeruniverse | wings has the same gravity as normal |
| 19:33.56 | Robur | thats what i meant |
| 19:33.58 | blast007 | not always |
| 19:34.05 | blast007 | you can adjust that via BZDB settings |
| 19:34.18 | biggeruniverse | well yes, but by default it's the same |
| 19:34.20 | blast007 | my server had a different gravity and jump velocity for wings |
| 19:35.09 | biggeruniverse | by default LG is -12.7 |
| 19:35.11 | blast007 | Robur: but what biggeruniverse is saying is that after dropping the LG flag, it seems like it's effect was still present until he landed |
| 19:35.17 | biggeruniverse | which seems weird, but whatever |
| 19:35.29 | Robur | i agree - it is weird |
| 19:35.42 | Robur | especially since wings doesnt seem to do that :-) |
| 19:35.47 | Robur | which was my piunt |
| 19:35.50 | Robur | *point |
| 19:36.47 | biggeruniverse | where's Felix! |
| 19:36.49 | blast007 | k, guess I misinterpretated your statement about "wings works like that..." |
| 19:36.50 | biggeruniverse | *? |
| 19:37.59 | Robur | oh: i was replying to 007s post, and not universes :-) |
| 19:38.17 | Robur | so it sounded like tho opposite of what I meant... sorry |
| 19:39.12 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:39.51 | blast007 | LG is one of those flags that are both good and bad |
| 19:40.02 | blast007 | it's good because you can get to higher places |
| 19:40.16 | L4m3r | -12.7? isn't that higher than normal gravity? |
| 19:40.23 | biggeruniverse | or more people will be waiting for you to hit the ground |
| 19:40.26 | blast007 | it's bad because you fall slower, and people can aim under you easier |
| 19:40.28 | blast007 | L4m3r: yeah, it is |
| 19:40.49 | L4m3r | is it combined with a larger jump velocity? |
| 19:40.58 | biggeruniverse | right |
| 19:41.09 | biggeruniverse | I think that is why the effect doesn't go away mid jump |
| 19:41.17 | L4m3r | probably |
| 19:41.24 | blast007 | still, it should |
| 19:41.31 | biggeruniverse | You can't change the gravity constat per tank |
| 19:41.34 | L4m3r | it'd be hard to notice though |
| 19:41.43 | biggeruniverse | I noticed :P |
| 19:41.46 | blast007 | if you set the gravity to a positive value, and people start floating away, you can reset it to a negative, and they call back down |
| 19:41.56 | blast007 | s/call/come/ |
| 19:42.08 | biggeruniverse | g |
| 19:42.14 | L4m3r | the acceleration due to gravity probably does change |
| 19:42.22 | L4m3r | it's just hard to notice it |
| 19:42.31 | L4m3r | because nothing happens immediately |
| 19:42.37 | blast007 | make it a bigger difference :) |
| 19:42.43 | Robur | makes sense... |
| 19:43.03 | L4m3r | that doesn't work either |
| 19:43.11 | biggeruniverse | perhaps, but I still think really all LG does is increase jump velocity |
| 19:43.27 | biggeruniverse | I haven't looked into it yet |
| 19:43.41 | L4m3r | if grav accel is actually lower at a normal setting, then a big change would make you go higher |
| 19:43.58 | L4m3r | in fact, you could get an even bigger jump by dropping the flag rght after takeoff |
| 19:44.13 | biggeruniverse | if it was a per tank setting |
| 19:44.19 | biggeruniverse | I don't believe it is |
| 19:44.42 | L4m3r | it should be... for wings |
| 19:45.02 | blast007 | it's a global setting, which all tanks that hold the flag will use |
| 19:45.18 | biggeruniverse | not what I meant |
| 19:45.27 | biggeruniverse | I meant the gravity constant is not per-tank |
| 19:45.33 | biggeruniverse | I checked. |
| 19:45.52 | biggeruniverse | LocalPlayer.cxx 1349 |
| 19:45.53 | L4m3r | No, but it is indeed variable for individual tanks, based on what flag they're holding |
| 19:45.58 | biggeruniverse | it just increases jump vel |
| 19:46.06 | biggeruniverse | not so |
| 19:46.09 | blast007 | yes so |
| 19:46.18 | blast007 | remember wings has a gravity change |
| 19:46.19 | L4m3r | wings has its own gravity too :) |
| 19:46.46 | L4m3r | Anyway, it's probably better that it does jumpvel instead of actual low grav |
| 19:46.56 | biggeruniverse | but all they do is change the calculation of jump vel |
| 19:47.05 | L4m3r | because real-low grav jumping is agonizing. it takes forever :) |
| 19:47.10 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 19:47.20 | L4m3r | try it on a server |
| 19:47.23 | blast007 | eww, it does |
| 19:47.23 | biggeruniverse | but when you drop the flag, you'd fall like a stone. ;) |
| 19:47.26 | biggeruniverse | that'd be cool |
| 19:47.28 | blast007 | that's hackish at best |
| 19:48.07 | blast007 | it's not like it would be TOO hard to make it right |
| 19:48.20 | L4m3r | you'd have to adjust it very carefully though |
| 19:48.34 | biggeruniverse | per-tank gravity? no, just modify the physics engine a little, and add the member |
| 19:48.47 | blast007 | "engine" hehe |
| 19:49.05 | L4m3r | it's already there, you just have to add it alongside wings grav |
| 19:49.10 | biggeruniverse | the physics hack? |
| 19:49.19 | biggeruniverse | respectfully known as "engine"? |
| 19:49.41 | L4m3r | the issue is gameplay. long jumps suck. :P |
| 19:49.53 | biggeruniverse | thus LG |
| 19:50.14 | biggeruniverse | it is useful tho |
| 19:50.30 | blast007 | so it's not really LG right now, it's HJ (High Jump) ;) |
| 19:50.37 | L4m3r | yes, but a faster jump vel does the same thing in less time |
| 19:50.38 | biggeruniverse | yes |
| 19:50.44 | biggeruniverse | right |
| 19:50.44 | L4m3r | ideally you could get the desired effect in less time with a combination of gravity and improved jump vel |
| 19:50.58 | biggeruniverse | but gravity is a global |
| 19:51.04 | biggeruniverse | (at least to the physics engine) |
| 19:51.19 | L4m3r | not quite- look at _wingsGravity |
| 19:51.21 | blast007 | one would expect that if they drive off a building with LG that they will fall slower |
| 19:51.22 | biggeruniverse | that is why the LG gravity is more than normal, to generate the correct jump vel |
| 19:51.24 | blast007 | they won't right now |
| 19:51.28 | L4m3r | ...late for class, bye! |
| 19:51.37 | Pogovina | gl l4m3r |
| 19:51.40 | biggeruniverse | I did, look at LocalPlayer.cxx:1349 |
| 19:51.41 | biggeruniverse | bye |
| 19:51.42 | Pogovina | d'oh |
| 19:51.53 | blast007 | I did look |
| 19:52.03 | biggeruniverse | yes, and you see too |
| 19:52.08 | blast007 | it's done wrong right now |
| 19:52.35 | biggeruniverse | I agree, but I don't know what the change would take. I haven't messed with the physics yet |
| 19:53.05 | blast007 | another special case like Wings has |
| 19:53.10 | biggeruniverse | yeah |
| 19:53.47 | biggeruniverse | you could easily make a bad flag called "high gravity" by setting _lgGravity to say -4 |
| 19:53.47 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 19:54.02 | biggeruniverse | but if you *fell* off of something, gravity would act the same |
| 19:54.17 | biggeruniverse | so it's not a true LG flag |
| 19:57.51 | biggeruniverse | you're going to make me put off my in-line change map capability to fix the gravity ;P |
| 19:58.36 | biggeruniverse | <- shakes fist |
| 20:09.16 | biggeruniverse | shouldn't be too hard |
| 20:09.33 | biggeruniverse | a little more complex tho |
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| 20:36.40 | biggeruniverse | ok, real per-tank gravity. now to test it |
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| 21:23.11 | Robur | what does it mean to be "Granted Voice"? Is speech disabled by default? |
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| 21:38.59 | blast007 | Robur: voice only has an effect in moderated channels |
| 21:39.14 | blast007 | this channel is very rarely set to a moderated state |
| 21:39.25 | Robur | oh... |
| 21:40.24 | Robur | So important users are added to a list to ensure they can talk when this channel goes moderated? |
| 21:40.30 | Robur | makes sense... |
| 21:41.41 | blast007 | yup |
| 21:45.37 | ts_ | <-- unimportant ;) |
| 21:48.31 | Robur | ;-) |
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| 23:49.37 | Robur | lol |