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`00:05.50`	`*** join/#bzflag master_tux (n=will@70.233.95.94)`
`00:14.36`	`a_meteorite`	`Does not compute: verb attempting.`
`00:21.18`	`*** join/#bzflag spldart (n=spldart@cpe-70-116-149-121.houston.res.rr.com)`
`00:25.57`	`[NP]Tangent`	`Does not compute: a_meteorite's face.`
`00:26.12`	`a_meteorite`	`EEK`
`00:26.58`	`spldart`	`Who you gonna call... Dr. Nick Riviera`
`00:27.41`	`Bz_Win`	`Hi dr. Nick...`
`00:27.53`	`a_meteorite`	`Dr. Nick Reviera?`
`00:28.13`	`spldart`	`hehe yep`
`00:28.39`	`a_meteorite`	`who's he?`
`00:29.31`	`spldart`	`OMG`
`00:29.33`	`spldart`	`Plebe!`
`00:29.37`	`a_meteorite`	`Plebe?!`
`00:29.42`	`spldart`	`It was a simpsons joke`
`00:29.48`	`a_meteorite`	`I don't want the simpsons`
`00:30.09`	`a_meteorite`	`*watch`
`00:30.18`	`*** join/#bzflag Kud0s (n=james@cpc2-leed6-0-0-cust835.leed.cable.ntl.com)`
`00:31.08`	`spldart`	`!!!!???!!!!`
`00:32.28`	`a_meteorite`	`Am I supposed to?`
`00:32.30`	`Bz_Win`	`YES`
`00:32.34`	`Bz_Win`	`GO WATCH RIGHT NOW`
`00:32.42`	`Bz_Win`	`be de-sensored`
`00:32.50`	`a_meteorite`	`We don't have cable anyways.`
`00:32.58`	`Bz_Win`	`!!`
`00:33.11`	`Bz_Win`	`I will never understand the human species`
`00:33.13`	`spldart`	`OMG`
`00:33.25`	`JeffM2501`	`I do not think your god has anything to do with it`
`00:33.26`	`spldart`	`No Cable?!?!..`
`00:33.34`	`spldart`	`OMG OMG OMG`
`00:33.36`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't have cable`
`00:33.39`	`[NP]Tangent`	`DUDE`
`00:33.40`	`spldart`	`IB /spam`
`00:33.43`	`Bz_Win`	`your two should meet :p`
`00:33.47`	`[NP]Tangent`	`SIMPSONS IS ON A LOCAL CHANNEL HERE`
`00:33.51`	`Bz_Win`	`you*`
`00:33.52`	`[NP]Tangent`	`we don't need no steeenkin cable`
`00:33.54`	`JeffM2501`	`I have a satalite dish`
`00:34.03`	`JeffM2501`	`cable is for chumps`
`00:34.13`	`a_meteorite`	`I don't have satellite either...`
`00:34.15`	`Bz_Win`	`400 channels and nothing on :p`
`00:34.17`	`a_meteorite`	`just rabbit ears`
`00:34.17`	`spldart`	`satellite is for people who love storms ;~)`
`00:34.25`	`JeffM2501`	`silly analog signals`
`00:34.28`	`spldart`	`Only 400 !?!?!`
`00:34.28`	`JeffM2501`	`what is a storm?`
`00:34.34`	`spldart`	`ooo`
`00:34.37`	`a_meteorite`	`[NP]Tangent: we don't have it`
`00:34.40`	`[NP]Tangent`	`a_meteorite, with rabbit ears, we can get the simpsons`
`00:34.43`	`spldart`	`I got digi cable... IC your misunderstanding`
`00:34.47`	`a_meteorite`	`only 3 channels: abc, nbc, and cvs`
`00:34.48`	`a_meteorite`	`*cbs`
`00:34.52`	`[NP]Tangent`	`dude meteorite`
`00:34.55`	`[NP]Tangent`	`catch up with the times`
`00:34.55`	`JeffM2501`	`spldart, only above channel 72 ;)`
`00:34.57`	`[NP]Tangent`	`:P`
`00:34.58`	`spldart`	`M2 (NP]`
`00:35.01`	`a_meteorite`	`tell my mom that`
`00:35.09`	`a_meteorite`	`the cable company has screwed us over so many times anyways`
`00:35.19`	`spldart`	`You don't know that... Your in cough cough californication`
`00:35.23`	`a_meteorite`	`they want us to pay for a bill that we don't owe... FROM 1988`
`00:35.24`	`spldart`	`:)`
`00:35.47`	`a_meteorite`	`and we had cable in the '90s. they don't let you have cable if you don't pay them.`
`00:35.56`	`a_meteorite`	`turned us into credit collection agency`
`00:36.07`	`spldart`	`hehe`
`00:36.12`	`a_meteorite`	`so much for the statute of limitations`
`00:36.21`	`spldart`	`and they have held an outstanding bill for 18 years?`
`00:36.23`	`a_meteorite`	`plus the fact we don't owe it and if we did we would of never been able to have cable`
`00:36.31`	`a_meteorite`	`yeah...`
`00:36.33`	`JeffM2501`	`spldart, yes I do ;)`
`00:36.47`	`JeffM2501`	`can you plug a TV in sans box to the cable?`
`00:37.00`	`JeffM2501`	`and get up to some channel?`
`00:37.07`	`spldart`	`hrm.... I need to trry that sometimes`
`00:37.11`	`spldart`	`;~)`
`00:37.11`	`JeffM2501`	`bet you can`
`00:37.16`	`spldart`	`hehe of course`
`00:37.23`	`spldart`	`doesn't mean I watch teh analog stuff`
`00:37.23`	`JeffM2501`	`those will be the analog channels that`
`00:37.40`	`JeffM2501`	`and how many tuners does your tivo have?`
`00:37.45`	`spldart`	`But digi and hd digi there are plenty of`
`00:37.47`	`JeffM2501`	`cable people always seem to have one`
`00:38.34`	`spldart`	`meh.. all my 'TV's' are compies on boxes.... one extra tv for the kids is ananlog`
`00:38.41`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh`
`00:38.44`	`JeffM2501`	`so one tuner`
`00:38.53`	`spldart`	`not mine ;-p`
`00:38.56`	`spldart`	`Kids`
`00:39.02`	`spldart`	`I watch digital signals`
`00:39.04`	`spldart`	`:)`
`00:39.12`	`[NP]Tangent`	`i watch my irc terminal`
`00:39.12`	`a_meteorite`	`we were thinking of getting satellite, but just setting a dish on a pole (not mounting to anything) is a $500 deposit at these apartments`
`00:39.38`	`JeffM2501`	`but how many can it record at a time?`
`00:39.38`	`spldart`	`LOL`
`00:39.38`	`spldart`	`It records none... I always record on compy`
`00:39.42`	`JeffM2501`	`so how many at a time can the computer record?`
`00:39.44`	`a_meteorite`	`it's not the first apartments that are anti-satellite and pro-cable... our last gave discounts through the cable company`
`00:40.07`	`spldart`	`I've only set up the multimedia rigs to record one at a time.. how many can one person watch?`
`00:40.15`	`spldart`	`I Icontrol the rest if there is a rest`
`00:40.29`	`JeffM2501`	`what if more then one show is on at the same time :)`
`00:40.41`	`JeffM2501`	`but it's cool that you can shuck the shows from one to another`
`00:40.44`	`spldart`	`Generally one is rerun I control so I'm cool`
`00:40.48`	`JeffM2501`	`that's one thing I wish I could do`
`00:41.25`	`spldart`	`I've had to set up over a terabyte in shares in order to allow all the shows/movies/mp3 to be availabe to everybody else`
`00:42.05`	`JeffM2501`	`wow`
`00:42.12`	`a_meteorite`	`terabyte on a nas?`
`00:42.22`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd die if my tivo could not do 2 shows at a time`
`00:42.30`	`spldart`	`stupid monopoly money wont by much`
`00:43.07`	`spldart`	`Once in a long while I've had to computers recording in 2 diff rooms @ same time but it's rare... but one box each though`
`00:43.55`	`JeffM2501`	`you have to tell it to specificly record stuff?`
`00:44.11`	`JeffM2501`	`like start and stop times?`
`00:44.23`	`spldart`	`Most of the time...yeah.. cuz I'm sitting there.. but I can set start and stop and walk away 2`
`00:44.24`	`a_meteorite`	`wow, that's gotta suck..`
`00:44.30`	`JeffM2501`	`OYG!!!!!`
`00:44.40`	`JeffM2501`	`dude that is so 20th centruy`
`00:44.43`	`spldart`	`found a really cool way to interface my serial to the cable box though`
`00:45.03`	`JeffM2501`	`why can't it just read the program info from the digital stream?`
`00:45.04`	`spldart`	`so compy and sit and record shows while I'm away`
`00:45.25`	`spldart`	`Do they have an interface yet?`
`00:45.33`	`JeffM2501`	`my tivo does`
`00:45.40`	`spldart`	`tivo PC?`
`00:45.41`	`JeffM2501`	`just pulls it right out a the sat stream`
`00:45.55`	`JeffM2501`	`it always knows what's on`
`00:45.58`	`JeffM2501`	`for like weeks and months`
`00:46.17`	`spldart`	`yeah but are you talking raw sat sig goes in a PC?`
`00:46.22`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`00:46.26`	`JeffM2501`	`why would I use a PC?`
`00:46.29`	`JeffM2501`	`I have a tivo`
`00:46.37`	`JeffM2501`	`my tv is larger then my display`
`00:46.42`	`spldart`	`cuz a tivo is an extra thing to have`
`00:46.48`	`a_meteorite`	`wait, I thought a tivo plugs into your phone?`
`00:46.50`	`JeffM2501`	`not realy`
`00:46.55`	`a_meteorite`	`or did they used to?`
`00:46.57`	`JeffM2501`	`for pay perview`
`00:47.00`	`a_meteorite`	`ahh`
`00:47.05`	`JeffM2501`	`cable tivos get there info from phone`
`00:47.08`	`JeffM2501`	`sat ones don't`
`00:47.12`	`JeffM2501`	`spldart, it's not extra`
`00:47.15`	`spldart`	`My biggest screens in the house are on my main pc`
`00:47.16`	`JeffM2501`	`would have to have a sat tuner`
`00:47.21`	`JeffM2501`	`so it's just a difrent box`
`00:47.32`	`a_meteorite`	`our TV is from 1985 and has these weird lines on the top`
`00:47.35`	`a_meteorite`	`20" IIRC`
`00:47.38`	`JeffM2501`	`eww`
`00:47.51`	`spldart`	`so your tivo isn't on a lan and other boxen can watch all the stuff that's been recorded live stream?`
`00:48.01`	`JeffM2501`	`I could put it on the lan if I wanted to`
`00:48.04`	`spldart`	`wierd lines?`
`00:48.06`	`JeffM2501`	`it has USB on the back`
`00:48.08`	`a_meteorite`	`the installers damaged it when they installed it, been like it ever since. mom didn't even call sears while it was under warranty`
`00:48.16`	`JeffM2501`	`installers?`
`00:48.22`	`JeffM2501`	`who pays somone to install a TV?`
`00:48.25`	`JeffM2501`	`you plug it in`
`00:48.27`	`spldart`	`direct view tv I assume consdiering the age`
`00:48.39`	`a_meteorite`	`my mom isn't tech savvy, probably was even worse in '85`
`00:48.42`	`spldart`	`lines horizontal or vertical?`
`00:48.45`	`a_meteorite`	`I would of done it, but I wasn't born yet :)`
`00:48.50`	`spldart`	`lol`
`00:48.51`	`a_meteorite`	`spldart: horizontal, very top`
`00:48.51`	`JeffM2501`	`it's 2 wires!`
`00:48.55`	`spldart`	`do they squiggle?`
`00:49.01`	`spldart`	`are they colored?`
`00:49.06`	`a_meteorite`	`they're white`
`00:49.09`	`spldart`	`ah`
`00:49.16`	`spldart`	`any black dots?`
`00:49.18`	`a_meteorite`	`but depending on the background they're on they can get lighter or darker`
`00:49.21`	`a_meteorite`	`no`
`00:49.25`	`spldart`	`hrm`
`00:49.39`	`spldart`	`might be screen height or vert center adjust`
`00:49.50`	`spldart`	`sounds like blanking sig is getting in the pic`
`00:49.52`	`a_meteorite`	`there are no adjustments for that...`
`00:49.58`	`spldart`	`inside`
`00:50.02`	`a_meteorite`	`eek`
`00:50.11`	`JeffM2501`	`they'd be little pots you turn with a screwdriver`
`00:50.16`	`spldart`	`later sets have it in a service menu but at that age.....`
`00:50.27`	`a_meteorite`	`yeah, our portable tv has adjustments for that`
`00:51.15`	`spldart`	`sorry for the aside... I work at a factory authorized Sony, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Philips, Magnavox, Akai, etc etc etc warranty center`
`00:51.39`	`spldart`	`Apparently been pro since before you were born ;-p`
`00:51.46`	`a_meteorite`	`hehehe`
`00:51.59`	`a_meteorite`	`I'd be afraid to open it up though, if I touched the wrong thing I'd be dead`
`00:52.05`	`a_meteorite`	`ZZAAAAPP!!`
`00:52.22`	`spldart`	`well... assuming you follow one simple rule the worst you could do is scare yourself real bad`
`00:52.31`	`spldart`	`do NOT place both hands in a set at the same time`
`00:52.57`	`JeffM2501`	`then you don't get power thru your heart :)`
`00:52.57`	`spldart`	`Bingo`
`00:53.00`	`a_meteorite`	`so like ductape your other hand in your pocket?`
`00:53.05`	`spldart`	`LOL`
`00:53.06`	`a_meteorite`	`;)`
`00:53.21`	`spldart`	`or just loosen your belt and stick your arm thorugh :)`
`00:53.25`	`a_meteorite`	`hah`
`00:53.34`	`spldart`	`Or grab your junk and play gangsta`
`00:53.38`	`spldart`	`lmao`
`00:53.42`	`[NP]Tangent`	`haha`
`00:53.52`	`[NP]Tangent`	`or be real hardcore about it and amputate one hand`
`00:53.58`	`[NP]Tangent`	`though that's a more permanent solution`
`00:53.58`	`a_meteorite`	`your junk?`
`00:54.00`	`spldart`	`:-x`
`00:54.09`	`JeffM2501`	`spldart, keep it clean`
`00:54.16`	`spldart`	`Not being mean but are you really sheltered a_meteorite?`
`00:54.24`	`a_meteorite`	`spldart: yes`
`00:54.31`	`spldart`	`Sorry Jeff... though 'junk' was clean enough :)`
`00:54.41`	`spldart`	`I'll tone it down`
`00:55.54`	`spldart`	`Sorry a_meteorite.... I have no ill intentions :)`
`00:56.50`	`a_meteorite`	`Yeah, I'm sheltered..`
`00:57.20`	`a_meteorite`	`Eek, bbl.`
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`01:09.43`	`master_tux`	`Jeff, what was wrong with Your Dead?`
`01:10.07`	`JeffM2501`	`?`
`01:10.08`	`master_tux`	`He was on another name and ip, and I wound up banning him from gnurdux's servers`
`01:10.22`	`JeffM2501`	`why would you do that?`
`01:10.26`	`JeffM2501`	`ohh yeah him`
`01:10.30`	`spldart`	`hehe`
`01:10.35`	`master_tux`	`Should I have banned him?`
`01:10.39`	`JeffM2501`	`up to you`
`01:11.01`	`JeffM2501`	`we did it because he's abbused the public services`
`01:11.24`	`JeffM2501`	`did he do anything ban worthy?`
`01:13.30`	`spldart`	`btw.. returner dvd came in from netflix.... BROKEN :(`
`01:13.38`	`spldart`	`I was teh bummed...`
`01:14.07`	`spldart`	`I've enjoyed some of your other recommends thought :)`
`01:14.16`	`spldart`	`s/though/thought`
`01:14.42`	`JeffM2501`	`coo`
`01:15.36`	`Bz_Win`	`byebye`
`01:17.44`	`master_tux`	`Jeff, he was running his mouth`
`01:17.52`	`master_tux`	`shouting at the admins`
`01:18.07`	`JeffM2501`	`then if that's against the rules at that server, then do what ya gotta do`
`01:18.15`	`JeffM2501`	`personaly I think he's a moron`
`01:18.32`	`JeffM2501`	`what name did he use?`
`01:20.20`	`L4m3r`	`YD is known for admin-asking and other assorted asshattery. I don't think even he understands why he does it.`
`01:20.30`	`L4m3r`	`I think he may be bipolar.`
`01:20.34`	`JeffM2501`	`he does`
`01:20.39`	`JeffM2501`	`he's playing people`
`01:20.42`	`JeffM2501`	`and he knows it`
`01:20.57`	`L4m3r`	`what does he get from it?`
`01:21.03`	`JeffM2501`	`amusement`
`01:21.06`	`L4m3r`	`heh`
`01:21.08`	`JeffM2501`	`it's funny to a 12 year old`
`01:21.20`	`L4m3r`	`games are not an effective way to get a rise out of people`
`01:21.29`	`JeffM2501`	`for you`
`01:21.34`	`L4m3r`	`it's too easy to drop the ban-axe`
`01:21.46`	`L4m3r`	`you'd think he'd have discovered forum trolling or something by now`
`01:21.56`	`JeffM2501`	`not if your on a dynamic IP and think that "they can't stop me"`
`01:22.02`	`L4m3r`	`heh`
`01:22.57`	`JeffM2501`	`noone ever said he was the brightest bulb`
`01:23.11`	`a_meteorite`	`I'm all up for banning YD when possible.`
`01:23.20`	`a_meteorite`	`The biggest asshat since... forever...`
`01:23.35`	`L4m3r`	`no, I'd say DVN and HaRmLesS top him`
`01:23.38`	`a_meteorite`	`hehe`
`01:23.42`	`L4m3r`	`though, admittedly, not by much`
`01:23.45`	`a_meteorite`	`except DVN stays legal with his age`
`01:23.52`	`a_meteorite`	`maybe`
`01:23.57`	`a_meteorite`	`depends if he's lying or not`
`01:24.10`	`JeffM2501`	`it's gone way past the COPPA now with YD`
`01:24.12`	`L4m3r`	`a good liar is still better than a bad one`
`01:24.14`	`JeffM2501`	`he may actualy be 13 now`
`01:24.20`	`a_meteorite`	`heh`
`01:24.24`	`a_meteorite`	`still an abuser`
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`01:24.41`	`L4m3r`	`...a good liar exempts the site owner from most of the liability in many cases`
`01:24.49`	`L4m3r`	`"He lied about his age, nothing I can do"`
`01:25.14`	`a_meteorite`	`yeah, we need online lie detectors ;) ;)`
`01:25.27`	`a_meteorite`	`heh, also we need to be able to stab people in the face over the internet :_`
`01:25.29`	`a_meteorite`	`* :)`
`01:25.32`	`JeffM2501`	`then the internet would be a very silent place`
`01:25.39`	`a_meteorite`	`lol`
`01:26.11`	`a_meteorite`	`I got a lot of truth that's surprising :)`
`01:28.26`	`L4m3r`	`if we could stab people in the face over the internet, we would have already killed most of the bzflag players :)`
`01:28.59`	`a_meteorite`	`lol`
`01:29.08`	`tannerld`	`lol`
`01:29.11`	`L4m3r`	`And, between all the online multiplayer games, there would probably not be many videogamers still alive by now`
`01:32.11`	`Flash`	`ow!`
`01:32.45`	`a_meteorite`	`~action stabs L4m3r in the face`
`01:32.46`	`ibot`	`ACTION stabs L4m3r in the face`
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`01:38.17`	`spldart`	`ouch`
`01:38.26`	`spldart`	`Somebody else is feeling stabby`
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`02:16.39`	`Flash`	`I'm in a hotel and can't successfully authenticate. Is there something special about the authentication server that would be sensitive to location?`
`02:19.46`	`blast007`	`Flash: they might have a proxy`
`02:20.15`	`Flash`	`yes; how can I tell? No other services appear blocked (including IRC :-)`
`02:20.45`	`blast007`	`you can edit the bzflag configuration for the "set list" line`
`02:20.53`	`blast007`	`we run the list server on port 81 as well`
`02:21.18`	`blast007`	`so I think:`
`02:21.19`	`blast007`	`set list http://my.bzflag.org:81/db/`
`02:21.41`	`Flash`	`my set list line is commented out`
`02:23.03`	`DTRemenak`	`uncomment it ;)`
`02:23.50`	`Flash`	`I see two config files: config.cfg and config.cfg.<host>.local`
`02:26.10`	`Flash`	`I uncommented the set list line in both config files; no effect`
`02:27.50`	`Flash`	`I'm a little rusty at manually generating HTTP protocol, but I get very different responses if I simulate a browser on port 80 and port 81`
`02:29.37`	`spldart`	`You do?`
`02:30.39`	`blast007`	`probably proxified then (is that a word?) ;)`
`02:30.48`	`spldart`	`tis now`
`02:30.54`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`02:31.06`	`blast007`	`port 81 bypasses most proxies`
`02:32.29`	`Flash`	`on port 80: http://pastebin.ca/261297`
`02:36.09`	`Flash`	`on port 81: http://pastebin.ca/261301`
`02:37.28`	`Flash`	`Note that from my browser (default port 80) the visual display is similar or identical to the results from port 81`
`02:37.41`	`Flash`	`I guess that lends credence to the proxy theory, huh?`
`02:39.35`	`Flash`	`bzadmin still doesn't authenticate, but bzflag does.`
`02:39.46`	`Flash`	`does bzadmin use a different config file?`
`02:41.37`	`spldart`	`?confused .. not that I'm aware of...`
`02:41.59`	`spldart`	`But never asked that question before`
`02:45.22`	`blast007`	`bzadmin doesn't use the config file`
`02:46.09`	`blast007`	`you have to specify the list via -list http://my.bzflag.org:81/db/`
`02:46.43`	`spldart`	`those darn switches and arguments and stuff`
`02:46.58`	`blast007`	`-makeItWork`
`02:48.04`	`Flash`	`I see (said the blind man)`
`02:48.23`	`a_meteorite`	`bzflag --enableCheats`
`02:48.39`	`Flash`	`don't toy with me...`
`02:48.47`	`a_meteorite`	`:)`
`02:48.51`	`spldart`	`trifle trifle`
`02:48.55`	`spldart`	`rattle rattle`
`02:49.00`	`a_meteorite`	`rofl`
`02:49.10`	`spldart`	`;-)`
`02:55.29`	`spldart`	`Perv`
`02:55.31`	`spldart`	`heh`
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`03:18.29`	`A-Delusion`	`e country, gonna eat alot of peaches`
`03:18.48`	`a_meteorite`	`e country?`
`03:19.11`	`A-Delusion`	`the country`
`03:22.08`	`spldart`	`LOL peaches LMAO`
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`04:18.43`	`[NP]Tangent`	`hey, do any of you know Robur - Master of Worlds?`
`04:18.49`	`[NP]Tangent`	`he plays bz`
`04:19.05`	`[NP]Tangent`	`him and another guy got in a fight on my server last night, then later him and I disagreed on something`
`04:19.14`	`[NP]Tangent`	`today my server was DDoS'ed`
`04:20.11`	`[NP]Tangent`	`now my servers have been shut down`
`04:20.22`	`[NP]Tangent`	`so I'd just like to say that whoever is responsible for this`
`04:20.24`	`[NP]Tangent`	`thanks a million`
`04:20.28`	`[NP]Tangent`	`and if I ever see you`
`04:20.36`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I will be more than happy to punch you in the face`
`04:47.22`	`a_meteorite`	`[NP]Tangent: you keep network logs of packets?`
`04:48.25`	`blast007`	`if nothing else, maybe a log of attacks? :)`
`04:48.44`	`a_meteorite`	`hehe, what I meant :)`
`04:49.06`	`[NP]Tangent`	`a_meteorite, it's not my machine`
`04:49.06`	`a_meteorite`	`do you even know who got in the fight? IPs? names?`
`04:49.09`	`a_meteorite`	`logs of fight?`
`04:49.10`	`[NP]Tangent`	`it's also in a datacenter`
`04:49.11`	`a_meteorite`	`k`
`04:49.20`	`[NP]Tangent`	`my webhost will have logs by tomorrow`
`04:49.25`	`a_meteorite`	`good`
`04:49.34`	`[NP]Tangent`	`but it was Harmless, me, and Robur`
`04:49.47`	`[NP]Tangent`	`Robur WAS using the global auth`
`04:49.49`	`a_meteorite`	`harmless? harmless got into a fight with robur?`
`04:49.53`	`[NP]Tangent`	`yeah`
`04:49.56`	`[NP]Tangent`	`well`
`04:50.01`	`[NP]Tangent`	`harmless didn't actually fight with him`
`04:50.01`	`a_meteorite`	`robur your admin? or a player?`
`04:50.09`	`[NP]Tangent`	`robur was a new player there`
`04:50.12`	`a_meteorite`	`k`
`04:50.16`	`[NP]Tangent`	`harmless had been by a couple times`
`04:50.29`	`[NP]Tangent`	`harmless told me that Robur should be banned, he caused a lot of problems on badgerking`
`04:50.34`	`a_meteorite`	`can I get some IPs? I can compare it to my pretty extensive ban list`
`04:50.42`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I don't have any on me`
`04:50.46`	`a_meteorite`	`k`
`04:50.50`	`[NP]Tangent`	`maybe someone in charge of the forums would`
`04:50.56`	`[NP]Tangent`	`Robur authed with global last night`
`04:51.03`	`a_meteorite`	`they don't know`
`04:51.08`	`a_meteorite`	`cause the system wasn't designed for it`
`04:51.32`	`blast007`	`a_meteorite: actually, they would`
`04:51.37`	`blast007`	`list server keeps logs`
`04:51.46`	`a_meteorite`	`blast007: well, jeff couldn't give me any`
`04:52.05`	`a_meteorite`	`blast007: told me they're not logged`
`04:52.05`	`spldart`	`heh... me and some twit go into it today... Harmless witnessed that one 2 :)`
`04:52.14`	`blast007`	`he may not have access to them`
`04:52.15`	`blast007`	`I don't`
`04:52.17`	`a_meteorite`	`hehe`
`04:52.47`	`blast007`	`actually I can't recall if IPs are logged....I know auth attempts are`
`04:53.03`	`blast007`	`I haven't look at that code in a while to recall what detail it provides`
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`04:54.36`	`blast007`	`the only attack I've had is SSH hack attempts`
`04:54.59`	`blast007`	`'twas useless anyway, cuz my box only accepts SSH keys :)`
`04:55.02`	`blast007`	`still annoying`
`04:55.08`	`A-Delusion`	`n`
`04:55.43`	`a_meteorite`	`I've never been (D)DoS'd luckily`
`04:56.17`	`spldart`	`Diddiliy diddily diddily D!`
`04:57.28`	`a_meteorite`	`If I did, I'd get an iron knife and swing it everywhere hoping I hit something.`
`05:00.15`	`spldart`	`OH NO! THEY GOT JOHNNY.... err... uh... BLAST007`
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`09:19.18`	`LePoulpe303`	`Yaaaaawwwwnnnnnnn`
`09:22.23`	`Pommes`	`Morning bzPoulpe`
`09:27.52`	`LePoulpe303`	`salut Pommes`
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`09:48.26`	`LePoulpe303`	`pommes : are u there ?`
`09:49.18`	`LePoulpe303`	`anyone awake please ?`
`09:54.11`	`[dmp]`	`i am`
`09:59.29`	`Pommes`	`LePoulpe303: there`
`10:03.50`	`LePoulpe303`	`Pommes, [dmp] : sry ,i find another way to test, but thanks a lot`
`10:04.25`	`LePoulpe303`	`btw you can go on viper2 to see my bot in action ;)`
`10:04.56`	`[dmp]`	`my bzflag is in a wonderful place, where you spiritual people can reach it.. :)`
`10:08.24`	`LePoulpe303`	`a kind of sect ?`
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`10:18.23`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03t-s * 10bzflag/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: Make the font manager changes compile`
`10:27.36`	`[dmp]`	`LePoulpe303: a sect of stuff-that-isnt-working :)`
`10:27.36`	`LePoulpe303`	`lol`
`10:27.36`	`LePoulpe303`	`may i join :D`
`10:27.53`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
`10:28.05`	`[dmp]`	`Im still working, so dont ask me :)`
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`10:34.10`	`ts`	`Hi Legoguy_`
`10:34.44`	`ts`	`You have a 2.1 server, correct?`
`10:46.30`	`ts`	`:(`
`10:47.11`	`LePoulpe303`	`ts : he flees !`
`10:49.33`	`ts`	`yupp ;)`
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`12:42.55`	`Manu`	`LePoulpe303: your ranking is totally corrupted... nobody understand it, how a player with -4 and no kills can be the first? :/`
`13:03.35`	`LePoulpe303`	`lol`
`13:04.14`	`LePoulpe303`	`theorically it should work like team league ranking`
`13:04.26`	`LePoulpe303`	`but prhaps i put a bug in formula`
`13:04.37`	`Manu`	`then theorically.. poors league players ;)`
`13:04.54`	`Manu`	`a bug? an elephant probably ;)`
`13:04.58`	`LePoulpe303`	`who is at -4 and first ?`
`13:05.05`	`LePoulpe303`	`a buggyphant`
`13:05.06`	`Manu`	`I don't recall`
`13:05.21`	`Manu`	`it was this morning`
`13:05.40`	`LePoulpe303`	`perhaps league elo system is not applyable to individual players`
`13:06.14`	`Manu`	`dunno.. but I'm winning a player and he is the first.. :/`
`13:06.28`	`Manu`	`I win him in personal and global score`
`13:06.46`	`LePoulpe303`	`hmmmmm`
`13:06.47`	`Manu`	`how do you understand it' ;)`
`13:07.00`	`LePoulpe303`	`depends of his initial strength`
`13:07.10`	`Manu`	`ts was also there and saw it`
`13:07.23`	`ts`	`yeah, and then another one in my team outperformed me`
`13:07.31`	`Manu`	`hehe`
`13:07.32`	`ts`	`but I had the better score in scoreboard`
`13:07.53`	`ts`	`it is wiered..`
`13:08.18`	`LePoulpe303`	`lemme check current ranking`
`13:09.06`	`Manu`	`and why do you have connected if you aren't there?`
`13:09.16`	`Manu`	`are you connected I mean.. :/`
`13:09.37`	`Manu`	`there is only 5 observers slots and you takes 2 :(`
`13:10.05`	`LePoulpe303`	`oh k sry`
`13:12.08`	`LePoulpe303`	`ok bot and i disconnected`
`13:12.51`	`LePoulpe303`	`back to the factory`
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`13:16.03`	`LePoulpe303`	`manu : ok i see`
`13:16.07`	`LePoulpe303`	`:S`
`13:16.22`	`Manu`	`:)`
`14:17.28`	`LePoulpe303`	`Manu: i made a digest of your fights`
`14:17.46`	`LePoulpe303`	`apparently , i think that the ELO calculation method must be tuned maybe`
`14:18.16`	`LePoulpe303`	`or perhaps it can't apply to a server with mass destruction weapons like shockwave`
`14:20.04`	`LePoulpe303`	`http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/6KRaxQ28.html`
`14:28.45`	`Manu`	`may be ELO only is good for teams, is not the same a kill than a match win`
`14:28.54`	`Manu`	`LePoulpe303: ---^`
`14:29.36`	`LePoulpe303`	`it's used in chess !`
`14:29.49`	`LePoulpe303`	`in chess, people are alone in front of the board`
`14:30.18`	`Manu`	`yes, but in chess you don't compute every time a player capture a piece, right?`
`14:34.20`	`LePoulpe303`	`no, but everytime ya win`
`14:34.32`	`LePoulpe303`	`imagine a chess contest`
`14:34.42`	`LePoulpe303`	`is it so different than an arena with tanks inside ?`
`14:34.48`	`LePoulpe303`	`(except shocwave)`
`14:35.20`	`Manu`	`and how do you explain the winer is in the lowest position?`
`14:35.43`	`Manu`	`someting must be wrong`
`14:35.55`	`LePoulpe303`	`hmm stalemate ?`
`14:36.39`	`Manu`	`well I don't care about the scores, but simply I didin't understand it.. the same for other players`
`14:38.11`	`LePoulpe303`	`joke appart, the progression of score is logical ; now i must see how to make that more realistic perhaps`
`14:38.27`	`LePoulpe303`	`or perhaps i should abandon this project and do what my boss pay me for ;)`
`14:38.37`	`Manu`	`hehe`
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`15:09.03`	`rukus`	`greeting from .za`
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`15:31.47`	`blast007`	`hello rukus`
`15:44.22`	`rukus`	`just set up a bzfs server, lag is to much in .za , keep getting chucked off all over the place.`
`15:45.11`	`Chestal`	`earth is too big`
`15:45.38`	`rukus`	`the max best possible from here to the uk is 156ms, and thats still to little.`
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`16:06.13`	`brlcad`	`Chestal: heh`
`16:11.17`	`Chestal`	`apropos`
`16:11.52`	`Thumper_`	`The Observer team is broken in v2_0branch - it worked on Nov 15th`
`16:12.07`	`Chestal`	`when I want to make the same change to both HEAD and the 2.0 branch in CVS, what is the preferred way? I can do two independent commits of course...`
`16:12.59`	`Chestal`	`broken = crash?`
`16:13.10`	`Thumper_`	`observer connects in bzflag crashes the client`
`16:13.21`	`Thumper_`	`bzadmin connects in 2.0.8 get joined as invalid team`
`16:13.42`	`Thumper_`	`Trying to isolate the date this broke`
`16:13.49`	`ts`	`Is it the player "Dont Kill Me"? ;)`
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`16:16.41`	`DTRemenak`	`Chestal: two commits is fine, or just commit to 2.0, and it will get merged up at some point`
`16:16.42`	`Thumper_`	`works on Nov 22, broken on Nov 24...`
`16:17.26`	`Chestal`	`DTRemenak: the magic merge :-)`
`16:17.38`	`DTRemenak`	`:)`
`16:23.49`	`spldart`	`Ala peanut butter and jelly sandwiches! Poof!`
`16:25.37`	`A-Delusion`	`dip it in maple syrup.`
`16:40.21`	`ts`	`Hrm, where's Jeff? :(`
`16:41.22`	`Chestal`	`die URL widerspricht sich selbst :-)`
`16:41.24`	`Chestal`	`oopsa`
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`16:52.11`	`spldart`	`lol`
`16:52.26`	`spldart`	`Is this a test of the EBS A-Delusion......`
`16:52.54`	`spldart`	`"If this had been an actual attack this alert would be followed with instructions......"`
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`17:11.44`	`LePoulpe303`	`manu : ping ?`
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`17:16.17`	`ts`	`JeffM2501: ping`
`17:16.26`	`JeffM2501`	`sup?`
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`17:16.47`	`ts`	`You said that fontmanager change would give much more performance..`
`17:16.47`	`JeffM2501`	`or just ask your question ;)`
`17:17.06`	`ts`	`I noticed an increase of 1 frame per second - is that as much as you meant?`
`17:17.08`	`JeffM2501`	`it should give a little, how much I don't know`
`17:17.15`	`JeffM2501`	`hey that's somethign :)`
`17:17.24`	`JeffM2501`	`it's probably difrent on difrent cards`
`17:17.36`	`JeffM2501`	`it was just a commit message`
`17:17.37`	`spldart`	`A grain of sand on a beach is 'something'`
`17:17.42`	`JeffM2501`	`your results may varry`
`17:17.44`	`ts`	`and the new mountains cost me about 15 frames per second`
`17:17.50`	`JeffM2501`	`see dealer for new stock`
`17:18.01`	`JeffM2501`	`realy?`
`17:18.01`	`ts`	`so I have less now ://`
`17:18.04`	`ts`	`yeah`
`17:18.04`	`JeffM2501`	`wow`
`17:18.08`	`JeffM2501`	`what card do you have?`
`17:18.22`	`ts`	`Radeon 9600..128MB DDR VRAM`
`17:18.33`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm should have plenty of vram`
`17:18.49`	`Erroneous`	`shouldn't have any particular problem with large textures`
`17:18.57`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`17:18.59`	`ts`	`1680*1050`
`17:19.06`	`JeffM2501`	`ts, dosn't mater`
`17:19.14`	`Erroneous`	`much`
`17:19.17`	`JeffM2501`	`128 megs is more then enough vram`
`17:19.23`	`JeffM2501`	`dosn't mater for the comparison`
`17:19.39`	`ts`	`and I noticed in comparison to v2_0branch the framerate is about 50 FPS lower when I look at the start screen without the menu`
`17:19.42`	`JeffM2501`	`ts, throw away images 3 -> 6`
`17:19.45`	`JeffM2501`	`see if that helps`
`17:20.07`	`ts`	`regardless of what mountain textures`
`17:20.17`	`JeffM2501`	`we changed a bit with how GL is setup`
`17:20.31`	`JeffM2501`	`also the quality settings aren't the same in 2.2`
`17:20.37`	`JeffM2501`	`old experimental is now high`
`17:21.03`	`ts`	`yeah but no map :p`
`17:21.09`	`JeffM2501`	`dosn't matter`
`17:21.16`	`JeffM2501`	`changes how we draw the ground`
`17:21.22`	`ts`	`ok`
`17:21.52`	`JeffM2501`	`and how the textures are applied to some things`
`17:22.11`	`JeffM2501`	`but it does sound like something we should profile more`
`17:22.28`	`JeffM2501`	`take out the last 3 mountans and see if that helps`
`17:22.41`	`JeffM2501`	`if it does maybe we should have a quality setting that uses the old mountans`
`17:22.51`	`JeffM2501`	`for vram limited cards`
`17:23.21`	`ts`	`wait..`
`17:24.35`	`Erroneous`	`no! I won't! :)`
`17:24.51`	`JeffM2501`	`such an odd thing to say on IRC`
`17:25.51`	`Erroneous`	`probably bad`
`17:25.59`	`Erroneous`	`I considered it`
`17:26.06`	`JeffM2501`	`oh and I'm fairly shure who "masafaka" is, just have to wait for him to mess up`
`17:26.12`	`Erroneous`	`heh`
`17:26.58`	`ts`	`2 FPS more without mountain 4, 5 and 6`
`17:27.25`	`ts`	`JeffM2501: "masafaka" is a swear word :p`
`17:27.43`	`JeffM2501`	`I guessed as much`
`17:28.07`	`inchworm`	`raincoat`
`17:28.08`	`ts`	`web.de is a email provider in germany`
`17:28.12`	`inchworm`	`err wrong window`
`17:28.24`	`ts`	`they're quite popular, as far as I know`
`17:28.37`	`ts`	`my own personal mails are in fact handled by web.de`
`17:28.55`	`ts`	`so..they're kind of serious ;)`
`17:28.58`	`JeffM2501`	`they are used by spamers a lot`
`17:29.08`	`Erroneous`	`they are used by legit players a lot too`
`17:29.29`	`Erroneous`	`db query for emails with web.de produced enough results I killed it in the middle`
`17:29.47`	`ts`	`JeffM2501: They usually delete accounts after 14 days of not entering the activation code you get via snail mail`
`17:29.49`	`JeffM2501`	`sounds similar to yahoo`
`17:30.03`	`Erroneous`	`ts: that means...14 days of spammage!! woo`
`17:30.35`	`ts`	`not necessarily`
`17:41.11`	`JeffM2501`	`many spam accounts us those addresses`
`17:41.14`	`JeffM2501`	`but no biggie`
`17:41.21`	`JeffM2501`	`mf is now taken care of`
`17:41.55`	`JeffM2501`	`in all likely hood he's cell`
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`17:47.55`	`ts`	`who is mf?`
`17:48.10`	`JeffM2501`	`the name you said was a curse word`
`17:48.18`	`ts`	`ah, that one`
`17:48.41`	`JeffM2501`	`indeed`
`17:49.19`	`JeffM2501`	`something seemed fishy about the name the first time I saw it, as well has how they acted`
`17:49.53`	`Erroneous`	`Pretty strange posting pattern for a newcomer, for one thing.`
`17:50.02`	`JeffM2501`	`indeed`
`17:50.32`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not too hard to tell a noob from somone just trying to annoy`
`17:51.17`	`Erroneous`	`I figured he was probably some troublemaker, but you're more familiar with our resident troublemakers, so I left him alone`
`17:51.34`	`Erroneous`	`I'd hate to be the guy who banned a newbie :)`
`17:51.47`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`17:52.00`	`JeffM2501`	`no bannings till after a number of PMs`
`17:52.11`	`JeffM2501`	`real noobs will usualy just say "ok, I get it"`
`17:52.20`	`Erroneous`	`or sometimes "f* off"...`
`17:52.44`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah that dosn't always go over well`
`17:52.47`	`Erroneous`	`how stupid do you have to be to tell an admin who is gently reminding you to follow the rules to f off? :)`
`17:53.03`	`Manu`	`heh`
`17:55.34`	`JeffM2501`	`the best one I had was 'bring it on!"`
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`18:52.19`	`Birdie`	`JeffM2501 OR DTRemeneak OR Erroneous ping:)`
`18:52.26`	`Erroneous`	`pong`
`18:52.55`	`JeffM2501`	`?`
`18:52.56`	`Birdie`	`ah`
`18:53.10`	`Birdie`	`"cant find prodecure_except_handler4_common"`
`18:53.14`	`Birdie`	`any idea how to fix that error?`
`18:53.22`	`JeffM2501`	`what gives you the error?`
`18:53.23`	`blast007`	`where are you getting that?`
`18:53.37`	`Birdie`	`when i run bzflag`
`18:53.43`	`JeffM2501`	`what OS?`
`18:53.48`	`Birdie`	`windows xp`
`18:53.52`	`JeffM2501`	`what build?`
`18:54.28`	`Birdie`	`2.0.9s5`
`18:54.29`	`JeffM2501`	`your own, or one of the officials?`
`18:54.31`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm`
`18:54.33`	`Birdie`	`(not the default one, something added in)`
`18:54.40`	`JeffM2501`	`where did you get it?`
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`18:54.59`	`Birdie`	`the thing that i added? from a friend who made something to check (nothing illegal)`
`18:55.12`	`JeffM2501`	`so just a build somone made for you`
`18:55.13`	`Birdie`	`he did it before, so i would doubt it is wrong, cause it works for him`
`18:55.19`	`Birdie`	`yea and compiled for me`
`18:55.21`	`blast007`	`they might have built with a wacky library`
`18:55.22`	`JeffM2501`	`your missing a dll`
`18:55.25`	`JeffM2501`	`he has that you don't`
`18:55.27`	`Birdie`	`first it was a dll missing`
`18:55.35`	`Birdie`	`i downloaded those i was missing (2)`
`18:55.37`	`JeffM2501`	`or like he did SSL libCurl, and you have non ssl`
`18:55.37`	`blast007`	`which DLL was missing?`
`18:55.39`	`Birdie`	`putted them in`
`18:55.42`	`blast007`	`zlib1.dll?`
`18:55.43`	`Birdie`	`but now i got that error`
`18:55.43`	`Birdie`	`no`
`18:55.51`	`JeffM2501`	`then the DLL he used was a difrent verison then yours`
`18:56.06`	`Birdie`	`MSVCR80 and MSVCP80`
`18:56.15`	`JeffM2501`	`as it is looking for a difrent function that you don't have`
`18:56.32`	`Birdie`	`only way to fix is to get the same version?`
`18:56.38`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah basicly`
`18:56.41`	`JeffM2501`	`have him send you his DLLs`
`18:56.53`	`JeffM2501`	`or send me the code and I'll do you a VC7.1 build`
`18:56.54`	`Erroneous`	`there's only one version, I think...vs8 sp1 has not come out yet`
`18:57.09`	`JeffM2501`	`we haven't done extensive compatability testing on VC8 builds`
`18:57.13`	`Birdie`	`you mean you will compile it for me when i give you the code?`
`18:57.18`	`JeffM2501`	`Erroneous, it may link to another DLL that has been updated`
`18:57.19`	`Birdie`	`that is added in`
`18:57.26`	`JeffM2501`	`Birdie, sure`
`18:57.34`	`JeffM2501`	`and you know the officials I build work ;)`
`18:57.43`	`Erroneous`	`it may be trying to pass objects across the crt boundary illegally`
`18:57.48`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe`
`18:58.26`	`Erroneous`	`I have not tried e.g. using a vc7 curl with vc8 bzflag`
`18:58.26`	`Erroneous`	`but there is a potential for problems`
`18:59.06`	`blast007`	`the "official" curl packages were giving me problems with vc7.1`
`18:59.10`	`blast007`	`ended up building my own`
`18:59.15`	`JeffM2501`	`they work for me`
`18:59.35`	`blast007`	`one was missing zlib1.dll, and the version I found online wasn't the right one`
`19:00.15`	`blast007`	`another one was missing the main .lib file, or they renamed it for some reason`
`19:18.13`	`Erroneous`	`I build my own anyway`
`19:18.32`	`Erroneous`	`but I'm weird`
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`19:19.26`	`blast007`	`the windows ones are usually outdated, so yeah, I usually build my own too just for that`
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`20:08.45`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03amcnabb * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (5 files):`
`20:08.46`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: RobotPlayer::getPlayerType() now returns ComputerPlayer instead of`
`20:08.46`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: TankPlayer.`
`20:09.45`	`amcnabb`	`That bug took me way longer to track down than it should have.`
`20:17.28`	`Erroneous`	`:)`
`20:18.43`	`CBG`	`I just spent 20 minutes looking for a parse error on line 620 of my PHP IRC bot.`
`20:18.59`	`CBG`	`My editor said line 620 was "} else {"...`
`20:19.26`	`CBG`	`It turns out that it numbers the lines totally wrong and that the REAL line 620 was actually much longer and did have a syntax error. :/`
`20:20.10`	`[dmp]`	`sometimes syntax errors is detected later than they appear`
`20:20.39`	`CBG`	`Nope, it was definitely the stupid editor...`
`20:20.45`	`amcnabb`	`ouch`
`20:21.10`	`amcnabb`	`The more I use vim, the less I can use anything else.`
`20:21.26`	`orange`	`and why should you want to, after all? :-)`
`20:21.36`	`amcnabb`	`:)`
`20:21.40`	`[dmp]`	`CBG: its still sometimes the case :)`
`20:21.47`	`orange`	`all those other weird editors end up with hjkl all over them`
`20:22.15`	`CBG`	`[dmp]: I agree, but not this time. The error was, I did this: substr($result[0]['definition'], 0 465)`
`20:22.23`	`amcnabb`	`I constantly find myself filling out a textarea field on a web page, finishing, and typeing <ESC>:wq`
`20:22.30`	`amcnabb`	`s/typeing/typing/`
`20:22.33`	`orange`	`hehe`
`20:22.37`	`CBG`	`I need a comma after the 0 and before the 465, like: substr($result[0]['definition'], 0, 465)`
`20:22.44`	`orange`	`I use vi mode in zsh, and after editing a command line I often do that as well`
`20:22.50`	`[dmp]`	`heh, i was pretty happy with joe once. Then i was forced to use vim for a month at a customer.. when i got home, joe didnt like my frequently use of escape :)`
`20:23.34`	`[dmp]`	`now i just use vim. easier to use one editor and try to learn it. and there is alot of learning to do with vim :)`
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`20:49.04`	`JeffM2501`	`who keeps puting freaking global.h in the API header?`
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`20:55.08`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: note about headers in the API header`
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`21:04.45`	`amcnabb`	`Wow. That's a counter-intuitive variable name:`
`21:04.48`	`amcnabb`	`float minTime = Infinity;`
`21:05.02`	`tannerld`	`lol`
`21:06.46`	`JeffM2501`	`gotta init it to something :)`
`21:09.59`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 2 dirs): some cleanups and usefull info for observers.`
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`21:20.10`	`admin_`	`hello, How in the BZFLAG GAME, or using the config file, can i change the sensitivity of my mouse (Turning the tank is a bit hard)`
`21:20.38`	`blast007`	`there is no in-game setting`
`21:20.47`	`Erroneous`	`change the size of the mousebox`
`21:20.53`	`admin_`	`Erroneous: how`
`21:21.04`	`Erroneous`	`there's an option for it`
`21:21.17`	`Erroneous`	`don't remember exactly where`
`21:21.23`	`admin_`	`Erroneous: ok, thanks`
`21:21.28`	`blast007`	`is the issue mouse speed?`
`21:21.30`	`admin_`	`would i want it smaller?`
`21:21.42`	`JeffM2501`	`smaller means less mouse movement to full speed`
`21:21.45`	`admin_`	`blast007: well, its not really mouse`
`21:21.59`	`admin_`	`its actually when i move the keyboard right_arrow ,it takes a while to just turn tank`
`21:22.06`	`admin_`	`i would wanna make those arrows more sensitive`
`21:22.09`	`Erroneous`	`can't do anything about keyboard`
`21:22.11`	`blast007`	`mousebox won't help that then`
`21:22.15`	`admin_`	`darn`
`21:22.18`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah, keys just go`
`21:22.29`	`Erroneous`	`make sure you don't have slow keys on`
`21:22.30`	`JeffM2501`	`your server probalby has acceleration limits`
`21:22.36`	`Erroneous`	`(the a key probably)`
`21:22.45`	`JeffM2501`	`or that`
`21:23.12`	`admin_`	`ewww..windows`
`21:23.40`	`blast007`	`:)`
`21:23.54`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah Jer's been pushing those out`
`21:26.15`	`admin_`	`how do i know who is my enemy?`
`21:26.26`	`JeffM2501`	`people that are not your color`
`21:26.31`	`JeffM2501`	`unless your black, then everyone`
`21:27.10`	`admin_`	`hmm...`
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`21:28.15`	`orange`	`yellow, not black :-)`
`21:28.27`	`JeffM2501`	`techicnaly yellow and black`
`21:28.30`	`JeffM2501`	`the tanks are black`
`21:28.36`	`JeffM2501`	`the shots and hud are yellow`
`21:28.42`	`orange`	`yeah, for a very long time I had no clue what people were talking about, black tanks`
`21:28.46`	`orange`	`I really don't use the hud`
`21:29.18`	`orange`	`but I guess blank tanks and shots on the radar gave too much advantage to rogues ;-)`
`21:29.56`	`orange`	`hehe`
`21:30.23`	`ts`	`black shots are fine ;)`
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`21:31.56`	`JeffM2501`	`silly radar users :)`
`21:32.27`	`ts`	`no, I refered to red-blind people. red shots will look black to them`
`21:33.13`	`Erroneous`	`what fun ;)`
`21:33.18`	`ts`	`at least in my understanding`
`21:33.52`	`Erroneous`	`or is it the black shot, that looks red?`
`21:33.59`	`JeffM2501`	`somone needs to test the crap`
`21:34.31`	`ts`	`crap?`
`21:34.33`	`JeffM2501`	`I tried to test it but noone did the logable action`
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`21:35.13`	`ts`	`so you want me to do something to trigger it on a server?`
`21:35.17`	`JeffM2501`	`nope`
`21:35.23`	`JeffM2501`	`can't realy test well at work :)`
`21:35.29`	`Erroneous`	`true dat`
`21:35.39`	`ts`	`ah, that is what you mean`
`21:35.41`	`JeffM2501`	`mostly I wanted to make sure it woudl not crash`
`21:35.59`	`JeffM2501`	`and it dosn't`
`21:35.59`	`Erroneous`	`it might only crash, if someone does the loggable action ;)`
`21:36.06`	`JeffM2501`	`naw should be fine`
`21:36.13`	`JeffM2501`	`I even null checked the pointers`
`21:36.40`	`Erroneous`	`how conscientious`
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`21:48.10`	`amcnabb`	`Hey. I'm a little confused. It looks like Player::spawnEffect() sets dimensionsScale to 0.01f.`
`21:48.26`	`amcnabb`	`What undoes that (and sets dimensionsScale back to 1.0)?`
`21:48.44`	`JeffM2501`	`what file?`
`21:49.41`	`amcnabb`	`Player.cxx`
`21:49.53`	`Erroneous`	`amcnabb: Player::updateDimensions perhaps?`
`21:49.53`	`amcnabb`	`(src/bzflag/Player.cxx)`
`21:49.54`	`JeffM2501`	`setLandingSpeed`
`21:50.11`	`Erroneous`	`amcnabb: the tank grows gradually`
`21:50.15`	`Erroneous`	`until it is full size`
`21:50.23`	`JeffM2501`	`there are a bunch of places it is set`
`21:51.00`	`amcnabb`	`JeffM2501, it looks like setLandingSpeed only changes dimensionsScale[2] but not [0] or [1].`
`21:51.09`	`JeffM2501`	`update dims does it`
`21:51.11`	`JeffM2501`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:51.25`	`JeffM2501`	`just search and see where it's on the left of an = ;)`
`21:51.49`	`Erroneous`	`a landing tank only shrinks in z, amcnabb`
`21:51.58`	`Erroneous`	`a spawning tank starts out as a speck`
`21:52.02`	`JeffM2501`	`it' the "squish"`
`21:52.17`	`Erroneous`	`both of them grow back to normal over time, in updateDimensions`
`21:52.23`	`amcnabb`	`I'll look around a little more to see where updateDimensions is called. For some reason, I've somehow got it where it won't ever grow back.`
`21:52.28`	`Erroneous`	`heh`
`21:52.41`	`JeffM2501`	`it should be called every frame IIRC`
`21:52.56`	`Erroneous`	`it's called from updateTank`
`21:52.59`	`Erroneous`	`so yeah, every frame`
`21:54.44`	`Erroneous`	`ew, why do we pass a bool "local" back to Player, when we have a derived class for LocalPlayer?`
`21:55.13`	`JeffM2501`	`lack of planing and comunication I'd guess`
`21:55.39`	`Erroneous`	`probably a good guess`
`21:56.00`	`JeffM2501`	`that or C style programers that didn't "get" it`
`21:56.52`	`Erroneous`	`looks like it could be cleaned up easily too`
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`22:01.47`	`amcnabb`	`Okay. I'm about to check in a change that is definitely good for the long run, but which will probably introduce some regressions.`
`22:01.56`	`amcnabb`	`What are my chances that people will be patient? :)`
`22:02.22`	`amcnabb`	`Here's what the change is.`
`22:02.45`	`Erroneous`	`chances are good that either a) people will be patient or b) people will be so impatient that they fix the regressions ;)`
`22:02.58`	`JeffM2501`	`regressions?`
`22:03.09`	`amcnabb`	`In the past, each robot had both a RobotPlayer object (in robots[]) and a Player object (in player[]). I combined them, so that it's now just the RobotPlayer in robots[].`
`22:03.12`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not like we have a test that compares them :)`
`22:03.18`	`JeffM2501`	`and it's not like anyone is activly playing 2.1`
`22:03.27`	`JeffM2501`	`so do what ya gotta do`
`22:03.30`	`amcnabb`	`I had an unofficial test.`
`22:03.50`	`Erroneous`	`amcnabb: last time the robots were broken for months, there was only minor complaining ;)`
`22:03.54`	`amcnabb`	`The test is: I shoot a robot tank and it blows up. I have now fixed the bug. :)`
`22:04.10`	`JeffM2501`	`like 1/2 a year`
`22:04.27`	`JeffM2501`	`and it wasn't even found out why till like 4-5 months later`
`22:04.37`	`amcnabb`	`Okay. I'll just do it. If weird robot problems come up, it is possible that my change is what made things break.`
`22:04.39`	`Erroneous`	`yay for fragile code`
`22:04.41`	`TD-Linux`	`...I never noticed... when was that?`
`22:04.47`	`JeffM2501`	`god that was a pain in the ass to track down`
`22:04.48`	`amcnabb`	`It doesn't create any bugs, it just exposes them.`
`22:05.07`	`JeffM2501`	`amcnabb, if it's 2.1, do what ya gotta do`
`22:05.08`	`Erroneous`	`exposing hidden bugs is a good thing`
`22:05.24`	`JeffM2501`	`we have no requirement to keep our "dev" branch as stable`
`22:05.30`	`amcnabb`	`It's not a purely good thing.`
`22:05.35`	`JeffM2501`	`yes it is`
`22:05.39`	`JeffM2501`	`makes em get fixed`
`22:05.42`	`Erroneous`	`amcnabb: sure it is, it means you can then fix them`
`22:05.46`	`JeffM2501`	`it's called refactoring`
`22:05.51`	`amcnabb`	`I agree in a development version.`
`22:05.57`	`Erroneous`	`it's only a bad thing when you're working on a production version`
`22:05.59`	`amcnabb`	`In general, though, sometimes stability is important.`
`22:05.59`	`Erroneous`	`yeah`
`22:06.03`	`amcnabb`	`jinx`
`22:06.04`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a game`
`22:06.10`	`amcnabb`	`:)`
`22:06.11`	`JeffM2501`	`our stable is released`
`22:06.16`	`JeffM2501`	`break dev`
`22:06.17`	`amcnabb`	`I'll go ahead and check it in.`
`22:06.22`	`JeffM2501`	`just be prepared to fix it`
`22:06.49`	`JeffM2501`	`and don't get pissy if somone says it's broken :)`
`22:06.55`	`JeffM2501`	`not that I think you will`
`22:06.58`	`Erroneous`	`heh :)`
`22:07.18`	`amcnabb`	`:)`
`22:07.35`	`JeffM2501`	`and don't try to blame the breakage on somone else's code re-org :)`
`22:07.49`	`JeffM2501`	`I did that onece`
`22:07.51`	`JeffM2501`	`wasn't prety`
`22:08.26`	`JeffM2501`	`and never suckle the juice from a tractor`
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`22:09.04`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03amcnabb * 10bzflag/src/ (bzflag/Roster.cxx bzflag/playing.cxx bzrobots/botplaying.cxx):`
`22:09.04`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: Robots no longer have a second Player object in player[]. Now they're`
`22:09.04`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: just RobotPlayer objects in robots[].`
`22:09.15`	`Erroneous`	`yay`
`22:09.19`	`Thumper_`	`blast007: are you going to commit the 2.0.9 observer bugfix?`
`22:09.35`	`JeffM2501`	`what's wrong with observers?`
`22:09.41`	`Thumper_`	`they crash`
`22:09.43`	`Erroneous`	`heh`
`22:09.46`	`Erroneous`	`they're busted`
`22:09.56`	`Erroneous`	`in the most recent v2_0 code`
`22:10.03`	`JeffM2501`	`I just tested as an observer`
`22:10.07`	`Thumper_`	`well... this morning they did`
`22:10.16`	`JeffM2501`	`try b9`
`22:10.26`	`JeffM2501`	`or s9`
`22:10.40`	`JeffM2501`	`they crash on a specific thing?`
`22:10.42`	`Thumper_`	`built from cvs...`
`22:10.44`	`JeffM2501`	`or just on join?`
`22:10.57`	`Thumper_`	`2.0.8 bzadmin join to a 2.0.9 server gets invalid team`
`22:11.04`	`Thumper_`	`bzflag client (linux) segfaults`
`22:11.14`	`JeffM2501`	`oh, bzadmin`
`22:11.18`	`JeffM2501`	`that I dunno`
`22:11.22`	`Thumper_`	`isolated the change that broke it to 2.199.2.45 (I think)`
`22:11.31`	`JeffM2501`	`in what file?`
`22:11.33`	`Thumper_`	`and blast007 is messing with it`
`22:11.38`	`Thumper_`	`bzfs.cxx`
`22:11.53`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh server side`
`22:12.08`	`Erroneous`	`yeah, your tests would not have gotten it`
`22:12.38`	`Thumper_`	`treats the team as int... and -1 isn't > the observer limit anymore`
`22:12.44`	`JeffM2501`	`the blrcad convert theam thing?`
`22:12.53`	`Thumper_`	`yeah I think so`
`22:13.05`	`Erroneous`	`that does not make sense`
`22:13.08`	`Erroneous`	`it's just casts`
`22:13.25`	`JeffM2501`	`it casts it as a signed`
`22:13.31`	`JeffM2501`	`so it shoudl be fine`
`22:13.48`	`JeffM2501`	`unless he busted convertTeam`
`22:14.49`	`JeffM2501`	`and realy that's only used for the API`
`22:15.29`	`Thumper_`	`if it's not that it's something else in the commits on Nov 24`
`22:15.50`	`Erroneous`	`ah, it's a wrong cast`
`22:15.56`	`JeffM2501`	`Erroneous, where?`
`22:15.59`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll fix it now`
`22:16.04`	`Thumper_`	`removing the (int) in front of autoTeam seems to 'fix' it`
`22:16.08`	`Erroneous`	`yeah`
`22:16.13`	`Erroneous`	`it's not an int`
`22:16.17`	`JeffM2501`	`what line?`
`22:16.24`	`Erroneous`	`it's a bz_eTeamType`
`22:16.53`	`JeffM2501`	`1601?`
`22:16.57`	`Thumper_`	`1560 maybe`
`22:17.06`	`Thumper_`	`+ playerData->player.setTeam((TeamColor)convertTeam((int)autoTeamData.team));`
`22:17.07`	`Guu`	`Dunno!`
`22:17.43`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`22:18.19`	`Thumper_`	`1600`
`22:18.29`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: unbreak bzfs.`
`22:18.35`	`JeffM2501`	`there ya go`
`22:18.38`	`Erroneous`	`btw, those function overloads are fragile`
`22:18.39`	`tannerld`	`Thumper_: lol`
`22:19.20`	`orange`	`yay for unbroken bzfs`
`22:19.24`	`Erroneous`	`you're using a "typedef int function(int)" and an "int function(typedef int)" as overloads for each other`
`22:19.45`	`Thumper_`	`ok... Jeff :) Did you fix the teleporter issue yet? or is that still broken too`
`22:19.53`	`JeffM2501`	`the speed check thing?`
`22:19.58`	`Erroneous`	`mildly surprising it works at all...yay for strict typechecking`
`22:19.58`	`Thumper_`	`distance check - yes`
`22:20.08`	`JeffM2501`	`we have a state for porting?`
`22:20.16`	`Thumper_`	`dunno`
`22:20.22`	`Erroneous`	`yes`
`22:20.28`	`Erroneous`	`client side anyway`
`22:20.41`	`Erroneous`	`it used to be broken. might still be on v2_0branch`
`22:20.41`	`JeffM2501`	`think it's sent to the server?`
`22:20.47`	`Thumper_`	`I have a #if 0 ... #endif patch that makes it stop kicking players`
`22:20.49`	`Erroneous`	`no idea`
`22:21.20`	`Thumper_`	`go thru teleporter, server kicks you off... thanks for playing. :D`
`22:21.28`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah I know Thumper_`
`22:21.36`	`JeffM2501`	`Erroneous, know what the client state is?`
`22:21.42`	`JeffM2501`	`I can see if it sends a mesage`
`22:21.49`	`Erroneous`	`teleporting, I think`
`22:21.52`	`Thumper_`	`can I just block it out? temporarily until there's a better solution?`
`22:22.00`	`JeffM2501`	`just turn off the speed checks`
`22:22.18`	`Thumper_`	`the other speed checks are okay - it's just this one distance check that's bad`
`22:22.20`	`Erroneous`	`btw, JeffM2501, your last commit will break mipspro`
`22:22.31`	`JeffM2501`	`the casting?`
`22:22.37`	`Erroneous`	`should have changed the int cast to a bz_eTeamType cast`
`22:22.42`	`Erroneous`	`removing it makes the cast ambiguous`
`22:22.52`	`JeffM2501`	`how many mipspro servers do we have?`
`22:22.55`	`Erroneous`	`because the functions are fragile`
`22:23.14`	`Erroneous`	`one probably? but it will break compile`
`22:23.22`	`Erroneous`	`that is what brlcad's commit fixed :)`
`22:23.35`	`JeffM2501`	`and broke other stuff :)`
`22:23.38`	`Erroneous`	`yes`
`22:23.50`	`Erroneous`	`so you then rebroke what he fixed, instead of fixing it to work for everybody :)`
`22:24.22`	`JeffM2501`	`do we need to support mips?`
`22:24.30`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: make mips happy and NOT break everyone else`
`22:25.06`	`Erroneous`	`as long as someone is willing to maintain it`
`22:25.16`	`Erroneous`	`we should do our best not to make life harder for him :)`
`22:25.50`	`JeffM2501`	`or send him a P3 1 gig dell with linux`
`22:25.54`	`JeffM2501`	`cus it may be faster`
`22:26.19`	`Erroneous`	`some people just like sgi's stuff`
`22:26.31`	`Erroneous`	`doesn't have to be rational :)`
`22:27.10`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm it's part of the state.status`
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`22:28.29`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm don't think it's sent over the wire tho`
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`22:29.07`	`JeffM2501`	`we have a world flag that tells us if there are teleporters?`
`22:29.17`	`Erroneous`	`no, I don't think`
`22:29.23`	`Erroneous`	`and btw, a quad r16k at 1ghz is almost certainly much faster than a 1ghz p3 :)`
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`22:37.42`	`JeffM2501`	`think that one irix guy has one of those machines?`
`22:37.54`	`JeffM2501`	`or does he have like an old O2 or Indy ;)`
`22:38.32`	`JeffM2501`	`can the spawn code tell us if they are near a porter?`
`22:38.48`	`JeffM2501`	`just trying to think of what I can do, other then just disabling the checks`
`22:38.54`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a good check other then porters`
`22:39.35`	`JeffM2501`	`how do remote clients know to do the IDL for non local tanks?`
`22:40.32`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: GroupDefinitionMgr::getTeles().size() might help`
`22:41.57`	`JeffM2501`	`that it would, thank you`
`22:42.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I could do an in cylinder check on each of them too, could I not?`
`22:42.39`	`JeffM2501`	`that should be decently fast`
`22:43.21`	`trepan`	`using CollisionManager should speed things up for localized spatial checks`
`22:44.00`	`trepan`	`haven't read back, you working on the server or client?`
`22:44.04`	`JeffM2501`	`server`
`22:44.20`	`JeffM2501`	`have a check that tests to see the distance between updates`
`22:44.45`	`JeffM2501`	`and if it's way out of the distance posible between the time stamp between updates`
`22:44.48`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03amcnabb * 10bzflag/src/ (bzflag/playing.cxx bzrobots/botplaying.cxx):`
`22:44.48`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: If a tank holds a team flag and the server disables movement,`
`22:44.48`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: then drop the flag, as would happen if the tank paused.`
`22:44.50`	`JeffM2501`	`but a teleporter jacks it`
`22:45.08`	`JeffM2501`	`so I was gonna not do the test if the starting point is in range of a teleporter`
`22:45.16`	`trepan`	`check in bzfs/WorldInfo.cxx for cylinderInBuilding(), good examples there`
`22:45.22`	`JeffM2501`	`thanks`
`22:45.27`	`trepan`	`do the same, but weed out non-teles`
`22:46.43`	`JeffM2501`	`hah, noone calls that function?`
`22:47.53`	`trepan`	`probably happened when i gave DropGeometry it's own`
`22:49.19`	`trepan`	`hm, and when inCylinderNoOctree() was defined`
`22:52.02`	`trepan`	`side note: yall should add lua for server scripting, it's sweet ;)`
`22:52.14`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`22:53.15`	`trepan`	`i don't like untyped languages in general, but lua is damned simple/flexible, and embeds with no dependencies and little size`
`22:53.39`	`trepan`	`and it's one of the faster scripting langs out there, esp. luaJIT`
`22:54.43`	`JeffM2501`	`TASpring using it?`
`22:55.26`	`trepan`	`ya, i added a lua interface for drawing, and automatic command hooks`
`22:55.45`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
`22:55.47`	`trepan`	`they also had it setup for server game scripts before i got there`
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`23:08.44`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx:`
`23:08.44`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: give everyone notice of pause messages, not just observers.`
`23:08.44`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: treat them like flag grabs.`
`23:09.25`	`SportChick`	`brlcad: pingyping ping ping`
`23:12.45`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: don't do dist checks if there are teleporters`
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`23:25.01`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: use the collison manager to check and see if the tank's last pos was near a teleporter to see if we should do speed checks.`
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`23:25.28`	`JeffM2501`	`Thumper_, try that out`
`23:25.35`	`JeffM2501`	`that hopefully should work better`
`23:30.38`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: (obs->getType() == Teleporter::getClassName()) is a bit better (pointer comparison instead of a string comparison)`
`23:30.49`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh ok`
`23:30.50`	`JeffM2501`	`thanks`
`23:32.11`	`[NP]Tangent`	`hey Jeff... just a though for cheat protection`
`23:32.43`	`[NP]Tangent`	`would it be sensible to, on compile, have a script or something that runs md5 checksum comparisons of the files, and if they have been modified, don't allow a compile?`
`23:32.50`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`23:33.05`	`[NP]Tangent`	`k, it was just a thought`
`23:33.08`	`JeffM2501`	`you'd break every developer`
`23:33.20`	`JeffM2501`	`and they have the source, they could jsut disable that`
`23:33.34`	`[NP]Tangent`	`true`
`23:33.42`	`[NP]Tangent`	`what if you put the protection in as a binary?`
`23:33.54`	`JeffM2501`	`we can't ship closed source`
`23:34.03`	`JeffM2501`	`and they could just fake out any key we send`
`23:34.05`	`[NP]Tangent`	`true`
`23:34.08`	`JeffM2501`	`you can't trust a client`
`23:34.09`	`JeffM2501`	`ever`
`23:34.17`	`[NP]Tangent`	`well, forget I said anything`
`23:34.35`	`JeffM2501`	`they key/checksum idea has been discussed a lot ;)`
`23:34.49`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not realy valid for our distrobution style`
`23:35.02`	`[NP]Tangent`	`yeah, cuz then you'd be defeating the purpose of open source`
`23:35.05`	`[NP]Tangent`	`oh well`
`23:35.11`	`JeffM2501`	`a goodly number of linux clients build there own`
`23:35.26`	`[NP]Tangent`	`yeah, I know I did`
`23:35.49`	`[NP]Tangent`	`and since certain variables affect the binary, it would be hard to check the validity of a binary`
`23:35.51`	`JeffM2501`	`and if your compiler did something even slightly difrent then the person who made the key, you'd not be able to play`
`23:36.06`	`JeffM2501`	`or you linked in a difrent lib`
`23:36.08`	`JeffM2501`	`or anything`
`23:37.59`	`[NP]Tangent`	`yeah`
`23:38.02`	`JeffM2501`	`but the bigest thing would be, that a moded client could just send the server a valid key`
`23:38.14`	`JeffM2501`	`since the server dosn't actualy have access to the actual client binary`
`23:38.15`	`[NP]Tangent`	`so my thought was a good idea, just not very well implementable`
`23:38.21`	`JeffM2501`	`it has to trust the client to check itself`
`23:38.39`	`trepan`	`speaking of server-side state, that other project last release finally has windows/linux compatibility using the streflop floating point library`
`23:38.40`	`JeffM2501`	`well, no, it's not a good idea`
`23:38.52`	`trepan`	`s/project/project's`
`23:39.39`	`JeffM2501`	`what do they need a float lib for?`
`23:39.45`	`JeffM2501`	`just to make sure the math is done the same?`
`23:40.12`	`trepan`	`ya, it's fairly sensitive`
`23:40.17`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh`
`23:40.37`	`trepan`	`but that's how they control thousands of units with less bandwidth then bz ;)`
`23:41.36`	`JeffM2501`	`well I can also see how it's easyer to sim, the commands are "go here and be there by this time", that's a lot easyer to interpolate`
`23:41.51`	`JeffM2501`	`not just "i moved forward"`
`23:42.22`	`JeffM2501`	`as long as your pathing logic is the same for everyone it should be fine`
`23:42.28`	`JeffM2501`	`so makes sense for the lib for math`
`23:42.32`	`JeffM2501`	`so you get the same solutions`
`23:43.04`	`trepan`	`ya, it uses global sim hashes to check the sync state too`
`23:43.38`	`JeffM2501`	`odd, I was just thinking of the same thing today for my old quest project`
`23:43.48`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a lot easier if you know where they will be going`
`23:44.11`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/bzflag.dev: add defaultBZDB.cxx`
`23:44.39`	`JeffM2501`	`good god, that was added ages ago ;)`
`23:44.42`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: it's also good enough that you can FPS control units`
`23:44.49`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
`23:45.02`	`JeffM2501`	`fps the comander?`
`23:45.13`	`JeffM2501`	`and have 1000 peewees as backup :)`
`23:45.13`	`trepan`	`yup, that planes, the ships, the ... :)`
`23:45.24`	`trepan`	`s/that/the`
`23:45.27`	`JeffM2501`	`it's all about the peewees`
`23:45.34`	`JeffM2501`	`and the big bertha`
`23:45.51`	`trepan`	`they're actually releasing GPL versions now, no TA content`
`23:45.57`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
`23:46.05`	`trepan`	`all new mod packs, big ones too`
`23:46.09`	`JeffM2501`	`they just replicate what TA had? or come up with new stuff?`
`23:46.25`	`trepan`	`some of them are completely new (and weird)`
`23:46.45`	`JeffM2501`	`cus if you didn't have the same units, that would change gameplay a lot`
`23:46.46`	`trepan`	`there's also themed packs like StarWars, Gundam, Legos, etc...`
`23:47.16`	`trepan`	`there are even 1 vs. 1 mod packs (you get 1 uber unit to control)`
`23:53.02`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: checkout the mod list at: http://www.unknown-files.net/index.php?page=browse&cat=1&subcat=2&orderby=f_name&orderof=ASC&Sort=Sort`
`23:54.07`	`JeffM2501`	`fun`

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