| 00:09.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: |
| 00:09.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: apply a formatting-modified version of BiggerUniverse's "[ 1579781 ] No suicide geno teamkill" sf patch. |
| 00:09.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: this patch checks to see if no-teamkill mode is turned on before letting genocide kill on a suicide. |
| 00:09.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: still questionable as to whether the no-tk mode is going to work, as well as |
| 00:09.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: what whether it should extend to genocide (as that is the flags intent |
| 00:09.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: regardless of the mode), but it seems to make sense given that the mode is in |
| 00:09.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: there. |
| 00:14.32 | *** join/#bzflag nescius (n=nescius@r5ag119.net.upc.cz) |
| 00:14.55 | nescius | lol, i just kick moto unit after he muted me.. |
| 00:15.04 | nescius | and i am not admin there |
| 00:15.23 | nescius | hes quite upset.. |
| 00:16.02 | nescius | well who is admin in two castles? |
| 00:16.16 | nescius | i will maybe need unban here |
| 00:16.29 | nescius | unmute for surre |
| 00:18.33 | a_meteorite | lol, you kicked him? |
| 00:18.44 | a_meteorite | finally someone put him in his shoes |
| 00:21.18 | nescius | yes but well, i am banned there :D |
| 00:23.18 | nescius | he muted me because i was arguing with him if it is even or not, and because i didnt have that rights to unmute me i kicked him with reason give it some time count to ten and try it again ..or something |
| 00:23.47 | nescius | is there autopackage of bzflag anywhere? |
| 00:32.49 | *** join/#bzflag shorty114 (n=shorty11@unaffiliated/shorty114) |
| 00:34.18 | spldart | twocastles? pimpi? |
| 00:39.36 | spldart | hehe @ blast |
| 00:40.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: lets try this again.. make the formatting more consistent fixing the brace alignment throughout. no logic changes introduced. I wonder if all these e-mails are enough to capture MeBigFatGuy's attention...hmm. |
| 00:41.49 | *** join/#bzflag codergeek42 (n=peter@fedora/codergeek42) |
| 00:46.54 | spldart | hehe... dude was giving me advice on my map..." yep... it's easy to f5 through your structures... you need to do double panels" |
| 00:47.05 | spldart | during gameplay |
| 00:49.12 | benga | f5 is a problem in two castles |
| 00:49.30 | blast007 | we could just say "F5 is a problem" ;) |
| 00:49.48 | benga | ;] |
| 00:50.21 | nescius | spldart, yes pimpi |
| 00:50.58 | nescius | he doesn't ban me after all, maybe its because i was disconected then |
| 00:51.23 | spldart | pimpi is notorious for attitudes and 1 telling another shut up or get off or whateva... don't know why but it's even happen to me a couple of times there :( |
| 00:52.28 | nescius | yes, i know.. i have to kick these scums from time to time |
| 00:52.56 | a_meteorite | spldart: moto unit is the notorious one |
| 00:53.03 | spldart | :-) |
| 00:55.08 | nescius | and so i kicked him.. hell, i dont like @ short of players there |
| 00:57.47 | nescius | bzflag is only a game, am i right? |
| 00:58.16 | nescius | well, maybe not, definitely not for me, as i am addicted |
| 01:01.15 | spldart | I am... somewhere between addict and enthusiast... methinks |
| 01:02.14 | *** join/#bzflag shorty114 (n=shorty11@unaffiliated/shorty114) |
| 01:02.43 | L4m3r | um... spam patrol on BZBB seems to be falling behind :) |
| 01:02.54 | brlcad | L4m3r: you want the job? |
| 01:03.00 | *** join/#bzflag codergeek42 (n=peter@fedora/codergeek42) |
| 01:03.05 | L4m3r | sure, I check it enough |
| 01:03.48 | L4m3r | spam bots seem to be on the rise lately, and not just on BZBB |
| 01:03.56 | brlcad | they have been |
| 01:04.07 | brlcad | spam in general really, seems to be a push by the spammers |
| 01:04.33 | blast007 | it's nearing the end of the year, and they have to make their quotas</kidding> |
| 01:04.43 | brlcad | heh |
| 01:04.49 | CBG | sorry, I didn't check the site for a couple hours... been watching Ali and coding. |
| 01:05.02 | CBG | usually I spot spam pretty quick and /msg someone who can rm it |
| 01:05.48 | L4m3r | I'm wondering if maybe something simple like changing a form name in the registration page would be enough |
| 01:06.32 | *** join/#bzflag big_dog (n=jake@va-76-4-93-157.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 01:06.37 | L4m3r | just a minor tweak to make BZBB not exactly like any other phpBB installation :) |
| 01:06.37 | brlcad | upgrading to the latest phpbb would solve a ton of the spamming and abuse issues |
| 01:06.51 | L4m3r | you'd think, but... |
| 01:07.10 | L4m3r | for some reason the bots have been getting around captchas lately :o |
| 01:07.11 | brlcad | i have a script in place that watches the site constantly now, resetting the server as needed when a botnet attaches |
| 01:07.27 | *** join/#bzflag michieru (n=michieru@xelcon.org) |
| 01:07.38 | L4m3r | Eek. that bad? :| |
| 01:07.52 | brlcad | the server goes through a reset about a half dozen times a day minimum |
| 01:08.19 | brlcad | it is very much that bad |
| 01:08.24 | *** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 01:08.37 | brlcad | if i didn't have other measures in place, the server would be dead and fully rooted |
| 01:08.53 | brlcad | s/and/or/ |
| 01:09.00 | spldart | woah |
| 01:09.36 | L4m3r | you're popular :) |
| 01:11.19 | brlcad | seriously, though.. the phpbb "situation" is nearing critical and needs to be fixed.. I'm sort of holding back the tide to a store swell hoping someone will step up and upgrade the install |
| 01:12.08 | brlcad | don't know how much longer the site and machine will be able to fend off the attacks before it really starts impacting our services |
| 01:12.09 | *** join/#bzflag hardwire` (n=hardwire@12.110.75.141) |
| 01:12.14 | *** join/#bzflag BenUrban (n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban) |
| 01:13.30 | L4m3r | I'm not much of a phpBB dude... how much has the board been modified for the m.b.o services? |
| 01:14.21 | brlcad | it's almost to the point that the mods don't matter |
| 01:15.00 | brlcad | we may have to eventually shut down m.b.o. services just so the upgrade can happen regardless at this rate .. |
| 01:15.13 | brlcad | not something I think we should do, nor do I want to, but it really is that bad |
| 01:15.14 | L4m3r | well, it's a time issue. I think the main barrier to an upgrade is the fact that it'd break global auth, etc. |
| 01:15.32 | blast007 | I don't think it should break that |
| 01:15.43 | blast007 | you could take the forum down, and still have auth |
| 01:15.53 | brlcad | it would, the tables have changed for groups that we hook into |
| 01:16.05 | brlcad | though yeah.. could keep two db's doing |
| 01:16.08 | brlcad | s/going/ |
| 01:16.20 | L4m3r | temporarily, yes, that could work |
| 01:16.32 | blast007 | set up /forum2/ and /db2/ directories, and a second DB |
| 01:16.47 | blast007 | then once it works, just roll it over |
| 01:16.55 | L4m3r | but if we're looking at an approach like that, we may want to look into another (free) forum software... |
| 01:17.07 | [NP]Tangent | L4m3r, I used to be on the graphics team for SMF |
| 01:17.08 | L4m3r | then upgrades would become a bit less pressing |
| 01:17.13 | [NP]Tangent | you want to try that? |
| 01:17.17 | [NP]Tangent | http://www.simplemachines.org |
| 01:17.23 | [NP]Tangent | it's what I run on my forums |
| 01:17.25 | L4m3r | it's not in my hands, Tangent :) |
| 01:17.30 | CBG | SMF rocks. |
| 01:17.34 | CBG | I've said that all along. |
| 01:17.52 | [NP]Tangent | SMF is easy to update, as well |
| 01:18.01 | [NP]Tangent | mods are easy to install |
| 01:18.12 | brlcad | phpbb is still pretty much one of the best forum web apps out there |
| 01:18.23 | blast007 | brlcad: one of the best free ones |
| 01:18.25 | CBG | lol |
| 01:18.28 | [NP]Tangent | yeah |
| 01:18.29 | blast007 | paid, well, that's another matter |
| 01:18.32 | brlcad | blast007: which is all that matters ;) |
| 01:18.35 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:18.38 | brlcad | unless you're making a donation |
| 01:18.39 | [NP]Tangent | I like SMF more than phpBB, but phpBB is a close second for me |
| 01:18.44 | CBG | I'd rather not have a forum than use phpBB. |
| 01:18.45 | [NP]Tangent | I'd use it if I couldn't use SMF |
| 01:19.13 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (i=lan56@adsl-75-43-53-121.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:19.31 | L4m3r | I love vBulletin but I would not want to tie it into a FOSS project :) |
| 01:19.45 | brlcad | [NP]Tangent: does it have a drupal plugin? |
| 01:19.45 | [NP]Tangent | vBulletin pisses me off |
| 01:19.52 | [NP]Tangent | brlcad, I'm not sure |
| 01:19.53 | [NP]Tangent | I could ask |
| 01:20.01 | L4m3r | why, Tangent? |
| 01:20.36 | brlcad | [NP]Tangent: sure, would be good to know for comparison.. phpbb does integrate, and I'd like to set up a drupal site eventually |
| 01:21.03 | [NP]Tangent | oh, it's a portal? |
| 01:21.10 | [NP]Tangent | then there's probably something that would work |
| 01:21.34 | CBG | portal? pff... CMS. |
| 01:22.03 | CBG | Assuming I can find space on my bed... the dog stole it. :/ |
| 01:22.04 | spldart | heh |
| 01:22.41 | blast007 | really, we might end up just doing a custom solution in the future |
| 01:22.48 | [NP]Tangent | portal...cms... they both make me mad |
| 01:22.50 | blast007 | we don't need all the features of these systems |
| 01:22.55 | L4m3r | those get messy :) |
| 01:23.04 | blast007 | L4m3r: custom solutions? :) |
| 01:23.07 | L4m3r | yes |
| 01:23.20 | blast007 | not necessarily |
| 01:23.30 | blast007 | if it's planned (on no, I used the p word!) ;) |
| 01:23.44 | L4m3r | you don't *need* the features, but there are always a lot of nice end-user goodies with the prepackaged forum solutions |
| 01:23.44 | [NP]Tangent | http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=128531.0 |
| 01:23.47 | [NP]Tangent | I found that |
| 01:23.57 | [NP]Tangent | wait |
| 01:23.59 | [NP]Tangent | scratch that |
| 01:24.05 | blast007 | I had the start of a forum for the iLeague stuff |
| 01:24.08 | CBG | gnight all |
| 01:24.18 | CBG | for some reason... the dog moved :D |
| 01:24.23 | L4m3r | you kick my dog! |
| 01:24.42 | L4m3r | and now he need surgery! |
| 01:25.48 | blast007 | guess I already had the start of a 2.0.20 upgraded board |
| 01:26.02 | blast007 | latest is 2.0.21 |
| 01:26.06 | [NP]Tangent | k |
| 01:26.15 | [NP]Tangent | so it looks like work has been attempted on a dripal integration |
| 01:26.15 | L4m3r | what are we at now? |
| 01:26.32 | blast007 | L4m3r: I'm not sure if anyone knows the exact version ;) |
| 01:26.33 | [NP]Tangent | but there are collisions with variable names and function names between the two softwares, so things will be VERY difficult |
| 01:26.42 | blast007 | we've applied security updates, not full updates |
| 01:26.54 | blast007 | so it's a mess right now |
| 01:27.03 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@about/essy/fan/CBG) |
| 01:27.06 | blast007 | the only real way to upgrade is from a fresh copy |
| 01:28.02 | L4m3r | perhaps it would be best to modify the m.b.o services to operate independently of phpBB, only touching the db, without modification |
| 01:28.11 | L4m3r | so phpBB could be upgraded "normally" |
| 01:28.19 | blast007 | yeah, or that :) |
| 01:28.20 | brlcad | yep |
| 01:28.21 | L4m3r | ...if that's even possible |
| 01:28.36 | L4m3r | I'm assuming there's a reason the db was modified to begin with :) |
| 01:28.43 | brlcad | it is, that's what we've discussed to insane ends before.. basically requires reimplementing the auth system |
| 01:28.58 | L4m3r | ick, messy. |
| 01:29.10 | brlcad | not a hard task at all, kinda fun even.. just low on the priority pole given how many people are actively coding |
| 01:29.10 | L4m3r | well, the parallel bit sounds like the best way |
| 01:30.18 | blast007 | maybe that should be part of the upgrade then |
| 01:30.47 | blast007 | I'm just afraid of bzfls.php |
| 01:31.04 | a_meteorite | whatever you guys do, I know we do need something done on the boards+auth |
| 01:31.05 | brlcad | is the auth system more/less important than fixing input acceleration abuse .. than moving to server-side gamestate .. than fixing the networking .. than improving the website .. than enhancing graphics .. :) |
| 01:31.41 | blast007 | brlcad: the auth system could be useful for the website too, so for me, that's part of "fixing the website" ;) |
| 01:31.48 | brlcad | it is |
| 01:31.52 | brlcad | at least it should be |
| 01:31.58 | a_meteorite | can't things have the same priority? ;) |
| 01:32.25 | brlcad | that's why I'm interested in moving the website to a CMS that has a defined module API |
| 01:32.31 | brlcad | with modular auth.. so we can write our own auth |
| 01:32.45 | brlcad | tie the website to it, tie in the game, tie in the bb and any other web services |
| 01:33.07 | brlcad | aside from the other benefits of having the CMS in place from an organizational/management perspective |
| 01:33.13 | blast007 | the hard part is that the website is split across bzflag.bz and sf |
| 01:34.13 | brlcad | a_meteorite: not really, like the old saying goes about people being special.. if everything is high priority, then really nothing has priority .. and nothing gets done |
| 01:34.27 | a_meteorite | brlcad: hmm, never heard it |
| 01:34.33 | blast007 | brlcad: sounds like my projects |
| 01:35.37 | brlcad | the change of perspective has certainly been interesting.. players used to scream that they wanted the networking improved/fixed.. |
| 01:36.00 | blast007 | they don't still do that? :) |
| 01:36.05 | blast007 | "ack, lag" |
| 01:36.55 | brlcad | until a lot of glitzy new features were added and improvements to the map flexibility (the #2 request) .. then cheating went from around #4 and leapfrogged to #1 |
| 01:37.27 | a_meteorite | cheating has been getting worse now since kiddies are seeing how easy it is |
| 01:38.04 | brlcad | it's not really any worse than it's ever been, it's just become a lot more subtle after we cracked down on the blatent cheating |
| 01:38.30 | blast007 | yeah, no more shockwave nukes or making other people shoot |
| 01:38.38 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 01:39.34 | brlcad | so the regulars are annoyed.. the cheats are rarely ever blatent now .. they're a 5% shot faster shot reload, 2% faster turning, rico lines on radars, jitter-dodging, etc |
| 01:40.12 | a_meteorite | basically the only way to combat that is all server-side? :) |
| 01:40.12 | brlcad | which is far less disruptive, but causes a heck of a lot more discussion and accusation |
| 01:40.28 | brlcad | a_meteorite: pretty much, and even then not all of it |
| 01:40.34 | a_meteorite | well, I've seen a LOT of interesting things |
| 01:40.42 | a_meteorite | but I check twice before I throw accusations |
| 01:41.05 | brlcad | you and an army of dozens of others doing the same ;) |
| 01:41.11 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 01:41.27 | brlcad | hmm, hundreds really |
| 01:41.30 | [NP]Tangent | I sat right behind a guy on Badgerking's server the other day, shot right at him (he wasn't moving) three times, and he didn't die |
| 01:41.33 | [NP]Tangent | odd? |
| 01:41.34 | [NP]Tangent | yeah. |
| 01:41.42 | a_meteorite | yes :) |
| 01:42.02 | blast007 | [NP]Tangent: he forgot to hit the "Explode" button |
| 01:42.09 | [NP]Tangent | oh |
| 01:42.09 | [NP]Tangent | my bad |
| 01:42.14 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:42.17 | [NP]Tangent | my client does it for me |
| 01:42.23 | [NP]Tangent | I must be a cheater |
| 01:42.25 | a_meteorite | he downgraded his |
| 01:42.40 | a_meteorite | before they came out with that funky new auto-explode |
| 01:42.46 | blast007 | yeah |
| 01:43.44 | [NP]Tangent | I am pretty sure I've seen people with quick reloads though |
| 01:44.01 | [NP]Tangent | like on silverfox once, a guy and I both shot three shots off at eachother at about the same time |
| 01:44.11 | [NP]Tangent | before mine were half reloaded, he shot again and hit me |
| 01:44.13 | [NP]Tangent | :< |
| 01:44.21 | [NP]Tangent | he didn't have the F or MG flag, either |
| 01:44.38 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (n=dennis@koderen.dk) |
| 01:45.05 | brlcad | so then i ask again.. what's more important.. |
| 01:45.42 | blast007 | forum |
| 01:45.49 | [NP]Tangent | forum |
| 01:45.51 | brlcad | there's only so much time that can be put in, limited resources .. so a choice of at least which of those is most important for the rest of this year has to be made |
| 01:46.08 | blast007 | 2.2 wouldn't be out this year anyway |
| 01:46.08 | [NP]Tangent | forum, because cheating's going to continue happening anyways |
| 01:46.12 | blast007 | yeah |
| 01:46.24 | a_meteorite | ditto |
| 01:46.50 | brlcad | which intrinsicly implies that there then likely won't be much better cheat detection before the next release, maybe no solution to the ME "issue", etc ;) |
| 01:47.02 | [NP]Tangent | brlcad, one thing that helped with spam bots on my forum was requiring activation via email of an account before any posts could be made |
| 01:47.15 | blast007 | [NP]Tangent: we do |
| 01:47.23 | a_meteorite | well, I would like to see some anti-cheat stuff in 2.2 |
| 01:47.26 | [NP]Tangent | they're getting around that? |
| 01:47.41 | a_meteorite | heck, I'd like to see everything in 2.2.. |
| 01:47.42 | blast007 | [NP]Tangent: it's pretty easy to do so |
| 01:47.55 | blast007 | have the email sent to a real address, then have the bot activate |
| 01:48.19 | [NP]Tangent | heh |
| 01:48.37 | [NP]Tangent | brlcad, what is the ME issue? |
| 01:48.38 | a_meteorite | couldn't 2.2 be delayed a bit so we can have bake the cake and eat it too? :) |
| 01:49.19 | brlcad | [NP]Tangent: there were several prevention things implemented around the same time.. e-mail activation, a rule/blacklist filtering (which catches millions of attempts), another separate phpbb rule spambot filter, automatic firewalling of botnets |
| 01:49.45 | a_meteorite | millions? whoa |
| 01:49.48 | brlcad | a_meteorite: sure everyone would.. and I'd like to have a different car for every day of the week |
| 01:50.02 | a_meteorite | brlcad: :P |
| 01:50.22 | a_meteorite | except a new forum to accompany a solid 2.2 release would be sweet |
| 01:50.22 | brlcad | but given there are limited resources, it's like saying you have a dollar and get to pick one piece of candy today |
| 01:50.33 | a_meteorite | otherwise we'd have to wait until 2.4 for anything major to be done protocol wise.. |
| 01:50.34 | brlcad | tomorrow, maybe a new piece of candy, but today, just one ;) |
| 01:51.24 | blast007 | a_meteorite: or 3.0! ;) |
| 01:51.29 | a_meteorite | hah |
| 01:52.09 | [NP]Tangent | ~bzfrag a_meteorite |
| 01:52.16 | ibot | ACTION skewers a_meteorite with a super bullet |
| 01:52.16 | [NP]Tangent | so brlcad, what's the ME issue? |
| 01:53.36 | brlcad | [NP]Tangent: accelerated input device settings currently makes the client do some rather bad things.. which can give players a rather significant advantage over others |
| 01:54.25 | brlcad | it's not a client mod, it's really outside the current purveyance of the game, but it's something the client should account for (and doesn't) |
| 01:54.29 | [NP]Tangent | ah |
| 01:54.54 | brlcad | end result is players that can be rather difficult if not nearly impossible on some maps to shoot |
| 01:55.16 | TD-Linux | I'm a bit late to the party, but I vote: forum |
| 01:56.27 | blast007 | one mod that would be nice is "hide WWW/Signature/etc until XX posts have been made" |
| 01:56.59 | brlcad | heh, http://www.cjcc.com/Images/funny%20picts/When%20Your%20SysAdmin%20Is%20Bored.jpg |
| 01:57.14 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 01:58.47 | Flash | a sysadmin with an engineering degree |
| 01:59.40 | TD-Linux | blast007: I've seen phpBB forums that have that feature |
| 02:00.00 | blast007 | yeah, i was at one in the past that had that |
| 02:00.13 | TD-Linux | blast007: in fact, the admin forgot what mod he used to do that (he didn't want it) and couldn't figure out how to turn it off. |
| 02:00.14 | blast007 | people were abusing the WWW thing to get their search ranking up |
| 02:07.23 | *** part/#bzflag big_dog_ (n=jake@va-76-4-93-157.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 02:08.52 | TD-Linux | ow |
| 02:08.53 | TD-Linux | more spam |
| 02:10.38 | TD-Linux | ooh, a movie of... nevermind. |
| 02:10.47 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 02:11.22 | *** join/#bzflag kyelewis` (n=kyelewis@freematrix/staff/kyelewis) |
| 02:16.59 | spldart | ... in his server |
| 02:20.42 | *** join/#bzflag briantumor (n=echelon@ool-44c7f686.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:20.44 | briantumor | hi |
| 02:20.52 | briantumor | i just built bzflag 2.0.8 |
| 02:20.56 | briantumor | and i get this error... |
| 02:21.26 | briantumor | when i try to run it, i get... "No fonts found (the -directory option may help). Exiting" |
| 02:22.45 | brlcad | briantumor: what platform? |
| 02:22.52 | briantumor | oh |
| 02:23.08 | briantumor | Slackware Linux 11.0 (2.6.18) |
| 02:23.16 | briantumor | never had this problem before either |
| 02:23.27 | brlcad | and did you install -- if you didn't install yet, the fonts are in the "data" directory in the source distribution |
| 02:23.31 | briantumor | every time in the past, it worked fine on almost all builds |
| 02:24.02 | briantumor | yeah, i already ran 'make install' |
| 02:24.03 | brlcad | it might be a previous configuration setting getting in the way |
| 02:24.14 | brlcad | the data directory is stashed into your config file |
| 02:24.17 | briantumor | nope, this is a fresh installation of slackware |
| 02:24.39 | brlcad | locate ricochet.wav on your system |
| 02:24.53 | brlcad | find /usr/local -name ricochet.wav if it was a default configure |
| 02:25.18 | briantumor | i set the --prefix=/usr |
| 02:25.20 | brlcad | that will be in your data directory, and you can specify -directory to point it there |
| 02:25.37 | brlcad | ah, so it'll be in something like /usr/share/bzflag |
| 02:26.07 | briantumor | it's only showed up in /usr/src/bzflag-2.0.8/data/ |
| 02:26.11 | brlcad | once you run bzflag with -directory, it'll (re)save the setting and you shouldn't need to specify it again |
| 02:26.15 | briantumor | ah nvm |
| 02:26.18 | brlcad | that's it |
| 02:26.20 | briantumor | /usr/share/bzflag |
| 02:26.38 | brlcad | so -directory /usr/share/bzflag |
| 02:26.39 | briantumor | anyway, what configure flag should i set? |
| 02:26.45 | briantumor | if i want to rebuild it? |
| 02:26.58 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 02:26.59 | briantumor | so i won't have to indicate the data directory each time |
| 02:28.22 | briantumor | well i know it's stored in the home directory afterwards, but if i were to create new users they wouldn't have the same convenience |
| 02:29.13 | briantumor | are there any arugments i can pass at ./configure so it'll be able to locate the data dir by itself? |
| 02:29.31 | brlcad | a lot of factors come into play when it hunts for the data directory.. it's most likely a side effect of "something" that was done like a copied config file or trying to run in uninstalled before installed or somesuch |
| 02:30.00 | brlcad | BZFLAG_DATA is compiled in as a search path, so something was already stored as an override, BZFLAG_DATA is set based on prefix |
| 02:30.43 | brlcad | which is to say, barring any bugs .. new users shouldn't have to specify -directory |
| 02:30.51 | briantumor | well, that's weird because this a completely reformatted partition, so there's no trace of a prior installation |
| 02:32.55 | briantumor | ah, should --datadir= help? |
| 02:34.25 | briantumor | i should set --datadir=/usr/share/bzflag ? |
| 02:35.07 | briantumor | or --datarootdir=/usr/share/bzflag ? |
| 02:35.45 | brlcad | no no.. that's a different setting |
| 02:35.51 | briantumor | oh :/ |
| 02:36.12 | brlcad | you positive you don't have an old config in your home directory? |
| 02:36.16 | briantumor | newp |
| 02:36.48 | briantumor | i also used --enable-optimized, but i doubt that had anything to do with it |
| 02:37.09 | brlcad | grep BZFLAG_DATA include/* |
| 02:37.38 | briantumor | from where? |
| 02:37.49 | brlcad | src dir |
| 02:38.01 | brlcad | where configure is |
| 02:38.23 | briantumor | hrm, 1 sec... i ran make clean at the end |
| 02:45.05 | briantumor | hrm, i get nothing |
| 02:45.20 | briantumor | "grep BZFLAG_DATA include/*" right? |
| 02:46.14 | brlcad | yes |
| 02:46.18 | briantumor | weird... it works now |
| 02:46.57 | brlcad | hmm you're also 2.0.8 .. not sure what the status of BZFLAG_DATA was then |
| 02:47.31 | briantumor | 'was then'? there's a more recent/beta version? |
| 02:47.48 | briantumor | hrm |
| 02:47.52 | briantumor | it doesn't work now |
| 02:47.55 | brlcad | not publicly released |
| 02:48.04 | brlcad | heh, how does it work once and then not work?? |
| 02:48.06 | briantumor | after i did 'make install' |
| 02:48.56 | briantumor | i had rm -rf'ed ~/.bzf/ after i ran it from src directory |
| 02:49.23 | brlcad | this should be irrespective of your ~/.bzf and a make install/clean |
| 02:49.47 | brlcad | if you're in the right place, it'll either return nothing, or return some values |
| 02:49.57 | brlcad | if it says directory not found, you're in the wrong place |
| 02:50.29 | briantumor | no, after i did make install, i ran /usr/bin/bzflag |
| 02:50.46 | briantumor | that's when it tells me data dir wasn't found |
| 02:53.03 | brlcad | again, there's a little bit of searching that goes on when you run the client, so you'll get different results based on where you are and if you use -directory previously and have a stashed result |
| 02:53.33 | brlcad | what I was asking was to grep for BZFLAG_DATA in the include/ dir of the source to see what it compiled for |
| 02:54.24 | brlcad | a "clean" test would probably be to do a make install, cd to you home dir, rm -rf ~/.bzf, and then try just running "bzflag" |
| 02:55.07 | briantumor | that's what i did |
| 02:57.27 | briantumor | and "grep BZFLAG_DATA include/*" hasn't returned anything |
| 02:58.20 | brlcad | k, musta not added it before 2.0.8 |
| 02:58.49 | brlcad | if that's what you did, then it'd likely be some sort of path searching bug.. hard to say |
| 02:59.04 | brlcad | that code is already a bit different for the next release |
| 02:59.49 | briantumor | but i've built 2.0.8 from src many times |
| 03:02.02 | brlcad | I'm not sure what to tell you.. it should work and as you note apparently has, there's some new variable tossed into the mix |
| 03:02.17 | brlcad | maybe it was changing the prefix and therein would be the bug |
| 03:02.25 | brlcad | or at least the bad assumption |
| 03:02.29 | briantumor | yeah, i'll give that a shot |
| 03:04.52 | *** join/#bzflag L4m3r (n=l4m3r@s122-189.resnet.ucla.edu) |
| 03:09.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 4 dirs): |
| 03:09.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: apply a slightly modified version of ngc/skeeve's sf patch "[ 1564571 ] Shot |
| 03:09.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Guide (straight line. No Ricochet)" (thx). the option, when enabled via the GUI |
| 03:09.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: menu, draws a line on the radar from the center right up the top centerline |
| 03:09.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: (i.e. in the direction you're facing, bisecting the two existing angle lines |
| 03:09.39 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: that are drawn). the modification to the patch was to use a lighter color on |
| 03:09.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: the line. |
| 03:10.39 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/AUTHORS: credit skeeve/ngc for his patch contribution (radar centerline, sf patch 1564571) |
| 03:12.50 | briantumor | err... i did it without the prefix same thing :/ |
| 03:14.43 | brlcad | briantumor: hrmph.. then back to being stumped |
| 03:16.51 | [dmp] | brlcad: 39, i belive :) |
| 03:17.01 | brlcad | [dmp]: hehe |
| 03:17.10 | brlcad | aww, that's all? |
| 03:17.34 | brlcad | and howdy.. was just thinking about the [dmp]er a lil bit ago |
| 03:18.16 | [dmp] | oh, 42 actually. didnt count the 3 from sf you generated :) |
| 03:20.26 | brlcad | you're one of the most talented web folk here (on many levels), which would make you a prime guy to lead bz web development.. |
| 03:20.56 | brlcad | not that this hasn't come up in the past of course... |
| 03:20.57 | [dmp] | uhoh |
| 03:21.00 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:21.07 | [dmp] | :) |
| 03:21.11 | brlcad | just a thought |
| 03:21.13 | [dmp] | "lead" ? |
| 03:22.00 | brlcad | why not, especially if it helps motivate investing time into doing it |
| 03:22.27 | [dmp] | im not sure you want me there. I've just learned how mkfs and tunefs differs.. the hard way.. and i've also learned that my backups are good :) |
| 03:22.43 | brlcad | hehe |
| 03:24.15 | brlcad | well, it's a big task and it really doesn't make sense to not put someone who's good at web work on it.. let the guys that can code work on code.. let the users be users, poking proding and providing feedback.. etc |
| 03:25.20 | brlcad | especially to redo the auth system, that's going to require a lot of work on the web side of things as well as custom C code that the client and server will integrate with |
| 03:29.53 | brlcad | was talking with others earlier and I think it would be good to try and focus on just one primary development effort for the next release |
| 03:30.13 | brlcad | the forums and by extension the auth system seemed to be the prevailing consensus |
| 03:31.20 | brlcad | which entails redoing most of how the website is layed out and how the clients interact to get auth information |
| 03:32.04 | brlcad | perhaps even the list server since it's also impacted |
| 03:32.04 | [dmp] | website? whole bzflag.org ? or /bb |
| 03:32.14 | *** join/#bzflag shorty114 (n=shorty11@unaffiliated/shorty114) |
| 03:32.15 | brlcad | the two really should be integrated |
| 03:32.23 | [dmp] | yeah |
| 03:34.14 | brlcad | ideally (at least in my mind) something that isn't entirely homegrown so we don't have a management and familiarity burden, which begs a CMS system that has a clean design for hooking in authentication modularly (something like drupal or mambo, etc) |
| 03:35.34 | L4m3r | brlcad: cleaned up today's garbage, dumped it into the basement. I don't know what you guys do with the offending user accounts, but I don't think I have the appropriate rights anyway :) |
| 03:35.52 | brlcad | still lots of need for programming, but it can be code focused on bz things like player/server/network stats, performance ladders, profiles, live site status messages, etc |
| 03:36.10 | [dmp] | yeah, something that is unique to bzflag |
| 03:38.57 | brlcad | getting a unified website/game/bb login would probably be one of the first priorities.. then perhaps profile management (both in-game and via web-interface, get them fully sync'd) |
| 03:41.13 | L4m3r | there is already a web login for third-party sites |
| 03:41.20 | L4m3r | not to mention the bb itself |
| 03:41.58 | brlcad | all tacked around our phpbb install, which is the crux of many other issues |
| 03:42.36 | brlcad | that's pretty much the benefit that any defined system is going to provide, pretty much any popular CMS provides such an interface |
| 03:43.17 | L4m3r | well, the problem is phpBB's db |
| 03:43.34 | L4m3r | if we run it stock, we have to run everything off of that |
| 03:43.51 | L4m3r | if we modify phpBB, we can't update it efficiently |
| 03:44.20 | brlcad | which is to say we'd have to run everything off of them, because the other is shown to be not maintainable |
| 03:44.50 | L4m3r | CMS would be fine, but user/auth integration is going to be the same chore :) |
| 03:45.07 | blast007 | L4m3r: not if it supports plugins that can override the auth system |
| 03:45.10 | brlcad | and to run everything off of them is just not a robust design .. they're not set up to handle our load well and they are still just a bb .. usually they plug into something bigger |
| 03:45.23 | blast007 | write a plugin for our auth, and bam, only one thing to maintain |
| 03:45.31 | L4m3r | phpBB can do that? |
| 03:45.34 | blast007 | no |
| 03:45.39 | blast007 | but a CMS might be able to |
| 03:45.46 | brlcad | I believe the phpbb plugins to drupal and plone hook into their user db's |
| 03:45.46 | L4m3r | perhaps |
| 03:46.24 | L4m3r | well, if it's clean, I don't see why not. |
| 03:46.48 | L4m3r | it'd be nice to merge the wiki, m.b.o stats, etc into one smooth website |
| 03:46.49 | brlcad | and even if they did't, there's some bb that does that would probably work just as well |
| 03:47.03 | blast007 | L4m3r: yeah |
| 03:47.04 | brlcad | right, and you can't do that by using phpbb as the core |
| 03:47.30 | L4m3r | well, the only "core" part would be the user and group db |
| 03:48.00 | L4m3r | if we were to rewrite all of m.b.o's crap around that, it'd work fine. CMS might be tricky, though :P |
| 03:50.02 | L4m3r | but if the CMS has a plugin, sure... let's just hope it works easily and won't break when the forums are upgraded |
| 03:53.34 | blast007 | we could just turn off registration through phpBB itself |
| 03:53.37 | brlcad | the auth management pretty much needs to be coded by us to integrate well with the client and servers |
| 03:54.09 | blast007 | are we still thinking of keeping the web-based auth stuff? |
| 03:54.31 | brlcad | my thoughts on the matter were to go with a CMS that provides a means to hook into/replace their auth with a different auth module, I"ve run across several like that |
| 03:55.00 | brlcad | there needs to be a web-based interface, but also (and probably more importantly) one in the client too |
| 03:55.13 | brlcad | which further begs for something custom, in my mind |
| 03:57.08 | brlcad | that would be, however, one of the few custom pieces.. we do auth because the game needs auth .. we wouldn't customize the wiki, the bb, news, etc .. which would all likely be just independent modules for the given cms |
| 03:59.41 | L4m3r | given the current organization of the site(s), it'd make sense to divide it into modules |
| 03:59.51 | L4m3r | since they're all different chunks with different purposes |
| 04:00.31 | brlcad | we could then also rework our existing stats to be a cms module, add other modules for getting info for players/servers/etc.. that would allow others in the community to write their own modules that hook into ours for information, similar to how plugins work now |
| 04:01.09 | brlcad | and many of the chunks in the current organization of the site are already available as modules that we'd just turn on |
| 04:07.02 | *** part/#bzflag briantumor (n=echelon@ool-44c7f686.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 04:15.29 | brlcad | the thing in all of that is that "the devs", i.e. the C/C++ coding people really shouldn't be involved more than coordinating the interfaces .. there's plenty of talent among us to keep those that know how to write web application code working on the website side of things to make this happen |
| 04:49.35 | spldart | nighty night |
| 04:57.31 | blast007 | anyone know which Quick Reply mod we are currently using on the forum? |
| 04:59.36 | *** join/#bzflag shorty114 (n=shorty11@unaffiliated/shorty114) |
| 05:11.32 | *** join/#bzflag shorty114 (n=shorty11@unaffiliated/shorty114) |
| 05:12.31 | a_meteorite | you mean they have multiple mods that do the same thing? |
| 05:14.14 | blast007 | a_meteorite: yeah, there's quite a few |
| 05:14.22 | a_meteorite | wow... just wow |
| 05:14.41 | blast007 | "75 results found" |
| 05:14.54 | blast007 | not all are actually quick reply though |
| 05:15.06 | blast007 | and some are mods for other mods |
| 05:16.02 | a_meteorite | mods for mods... |
| 05:16.06 | a_meteorite | scary |
| 05:16.12 | a_meteorite | that's like a death trap of mods |
| 05:52.01 | DTRemenak | hmm, lots of brlcad commits |
| 05:59.40 | brlcad | :) |
| 05:59.59 | brlcad | even threw in windows mods for good meausre |
| 06:03.06 | blast007 | the client was working fine from HEAD at least ;) |
| 06:03.13 | blast007 | and it all built properly |
| 06:03.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/AUTHORS: oop, skeeve was already in the list |
| 06:04.02 | DTRemenak | ooh, impressive |
| 06:04.10 | DTRemenak | Build: 12 succeeded, 0 failed, 8 up-to-date, 0 skipped |
| 06:04.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/NEWS: record skeeve's name appropriately |
| 06:04.18 | DTRemenak | ~brlcad++ |
| 06:04.50 | brlcad | woot! |
| 06:05.09 | brlcad | that has to be a first or something |
| 06:05.26 | brlcad | or maybe it means I'm just not done for the evening yet |
| 06:05.31 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 06:05.32 | *** join/#bzflag Inch (n=Inch@ip-58-28-154-149.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 06:05.52 | Inch | Hello |
| 06:11.41 | *** join/#bzflag Inch (n=Inch@ip-58-28-154-149.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 06:12.31 | Inch | I have a strange problem, for some reason I cannot connect to a bz flag server I have set up. |
| 06:12.49 | Inch | It has worked fine before today, but now when it get's to "right click to join" nothing happens. |
| 06:13.01 | Inch | Sometimes if i wait long enough it joins. Is this common? |
| 06:16.11 | *** join/#bzflag purple_cow (n=david@zero.navi.cx) |
| 06:16.11 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o purple_cow] by ChanServ |
| 06:17.56 | blast007 | Inch: do you have something like +f good{50} in your configuration file? |
| 06:18.56 | Inch | Not anymore :P |
| 06:19.04 | Inch | I notice things like that stuff it up. |
| 06:19.27 | blast007 | +f good{50} won't add 50 flags, but 50 of every "good" flag ;) |
| 06:19.27 | Guu | Dunno. |
| 06:19.33 | Inch | Yeah |
| 06:19.41 | Inch | I've restarted all our computers and started the server up again on another computer and it still wont work. |
| 06:19.48 | blast007 | so was that the cause, or is there still an issue? |
| 06:20.29 | Inch | Setting the map size and building density too high was the cause, and there is still an issue. |
| 06:20.39 | Inch | Even though we are using the default options now. |
| 06:23.16 | *** join/#bzflag Blue-Eyes (n=Blue@host98-214-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 06:34.16 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy (n=Legoguy@adsl-71-143-235-169.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 06:46.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/misc/bzfquery.php: |
| 06:46.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: re-expand the spaces around the . operator string concatenation. apply the |
| 06:46.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: maxTime portion of Geoffrey Sneddon's (gsnedder) sf patch [ 1497099 ] |
| 06:46.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: "bzfquery.php maxTime and player listing fix". defer the rest for a hopeful |
| 06:46.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: update from him that can be applied cleanly (and a better explanation of the |
| 06:46.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: change). |
| 07:23.03 | *** join/#bzflag Pommes (n=Pommes@about/essy/frenchy/Pommes) |
| 07:47.03 | *** join/#bzflag daniel_jackson (n=prolix@cpe-66-74-196-54.san.res.rr.com) |
| 07:47.19 | *** join/#bzflag tarco (n=tarco@CPE-203-51-247-215.qld.bigpond.net.au) |
| 07:47.32 | daniel_jackson | are you there meteorite? |
| 07:47.57 | daniel_jackson | the memory leak wasn't in bzfs |
| 07:48.08 | tarco | hes not there |
| 07:48.16 | daniel_jackson | apparently not |
| 07:48.19 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 07:48.19 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: apply Thomas Matelich's (sf user sosedada) sf patch [ 1346628 ] "mostly functional port to HP-UX" unmodified. |
| 07:48.19 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: this patch provides basic HPUX client platform functionality and additional build instructions to get a compilation of bz going on HPUX. |
| 07:48.19 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: the hpglinterface.c file that was included as part of his patch is not added due to unclear copyright assignment concerns. |
| 07:48.51 | daniel_jackson | is that a bot? |
| 07:49.18 | tarco | not sure think so |
| 07:49.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/Makefile.am: add README.HPUX to dist |
| 07:49.32 | daniel_jackson | he's in a lot of rooms |
| 07:49.44 | tarco | who |
| 07:49.54 | daniel_jackson | CIA-3 |
| 07:49.59 | tarco | ah |
| 07:50.09 | tarco | drool |
| 07:50.12 | daniel_jackson | Nick: CIA-3 |
| 07:50.12 | daniel_jackson | Username: i=cia@cia.navi.cx |
| 07:50.13 | daniel_jackson | Real name: CIA Bot (http://cia.navi.cx) |
| 07:50.13 | daniel_jackson | Server: irc.freenode.net (http://freenode.net/) |
| 07:50.13 | daniel_jackson | Currently on: #adium #netjuke #sguil #Galago #jinzora #irc #bzflag #hurd-commits #ghostscript #phpopentracker #ircopoly #bloat #spca50x |
| 07:50.25 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Ofc it's a bot. |
| 07:50.47 | tarco | shoot the bot |
| 07:51.01 | daniel_jackson | ------> |
| 07:51.15 | tarco | ------> whats that mena |
| 07:51.42 | daniel_jackson | thats my arrow I'm shooting at him |
| 07:51.51 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 07:51.55 | tarco | ok is ur channel up |
| 07:52.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/ (4 files): update copyright to 2006 |
| 07:52.31 | daniel_jackson | oh are you wanting to go to #djackson? |
| 07:52.39 | tarco | yeah |
| 07:52.55 | *** join/#bzflag Theme97 (n=Theme97@about/essy/phpwriter/Theme97) |
| 07:52.57 | *** join/#bzflag Deepa|AFK (i=deepa@abused.armchairs.be) |
| 07:57.37 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 07:59.53 | daniel_jackson | no, no thanks tarco |
| 08:02.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (configure.ac src/platform/Makefile.am): define and use HPUX conditional to optionally compile platform sources |
| 08:02.40 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 08:03.54 | brlcad | tarco: try to control yourself a bit? |
| 08:04.50 | brlcad | that's nice |
| 08:05.23 | tarco | lol |
| 08:05.51 | daniel_jackson | don't worry about tarco, he's just found a girlfriend, so his priorities are not on bzflag |
| 08:05.59 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 08:06.14 | tarco | 8P |
| 08:06.41 | daniel_jackson | right now he probably feels like a million buck |
| 08:06.45 | daniel_jackson | s |
| 08:06.48 | tarco | you don't need to tell the whole world |
| 08:07.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/NEWS: initial HPUX platform support from Thomas Matelich |
| 08:08.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/AUTHORS: give credit to sosedada, i.e. Thomas Matelich, for his HPUX platform support contributions |
| 08:08.49 | *** join/#bzflag Theme97_ (n=Theme97@about/essy/phpwriter/Theme97) |
| 08:22.58 | daniel_jackson | I think the "love bug" bit through tarco's ethernet connection |
| 08:23.05 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 08:23.12 | daniel_jackson | oh well |
| 08:26.15 | *** join/#bzflag Deepa|AFK (i=deepa@abused.armchairs.be) |
| 08:27.53 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Manu] by ChanServ |
| 09:21.05 | *** join/#bzflag ruskie (n=ruskie@sourcemage/mage/ruskie) |
| 09:24.11 | *** join/#bzflag zee571 (i=ca9803e3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-de975f0f80283533) |
| 09:58.18 | *** join/#bzflag zee445 (i=ca9803e3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-ee01cccd8e4341f9) |
| 10:13.27 | *** join/#bzflag ts (n=ts@p54B015FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:14.06 | *** part/#bzflag daniel_jackson (n=prolix@cpe-66-74-196-54.san.res.rr.com) |
| 10:16.44 | *** join/#bzflag LePoulpe303 (n=LePoulpe@LAubervilliers-151-11-28-35.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:17.12 | LePoulpe303 | hi all |
| 10:17.44 | LePoulpe303 | Pimpinella : ping ? |
| 10:20.04 | LePoulpe303 | any active server admin awake ???? |
| 10:21.05 | ts | Manu is |
| 10:21.41 | LePoulpe303 | ts : it's not nice to denounce buddies :)) |
| 10:22.25 | *** part/#bzflag donny_baker (n=donnybak@c-71-229-86-135.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 10:27.03 | Manu | LePoulpe303: can I help you? |
| 10:27.08 | LePoulpe303 | maybe |
| 10:27.22 | LePoulpe303 | i'm developping an IRC like bot for bzflag server |
| 10:27.36 | LePoulpe303 | i would like the authorization to connect it to a server |
| 10:27.57 | LePoulpe303 | theorically it should not spam or things like that |
| 10:28.19 | Manu | what is this bot for? |
| 10:28.34 | LePoulpe303 | http://bzbot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:29.20 | LePoulpe303 | atm i would like to see how long it can stay connected (and get stats) |
| 10:29.26 | Manu | nice idea |
| 10:29.38 | Manu | you can connect Viper if you want |
| 10:29.55 | LePoulpe303 | do i need to give you registered user ? |
| 10:30.05 | LePoulpe303 | lepoulpebot is registered |
| 10:30.13 | Manu | it's fine |
| 10:30.16 | LePoulpe303 | bzbot is generic callsign , not regged |
| 10:30.38 | Manu | you don't need to be registered if you aren't going to play |
| 10:30.44 | LePoulpe303 | if you want to see it in action , send him "ranking" by private message |
| 10:30.51 | Manu | ok |
| 10:31.09 | LePoulpe303 | at the beginning everybody has 1000 as strength |
| 10:31.22 | LePoulpe303 | after 15 mins play, interessant things begin to draw |
| 10:31.36 | Manu | :) |
| 10:31.43 | LePoulpe303 | ok i connect it now |
| 10:32.46 | Manu | I can't see the bot |
| 10:32.52 | Manu | now |
| 10:33.12 | LePoulpe303 | i plan to embedd http server |
| 10:33.49 | LePoulpe303 | for data availability |
| 10:34.18 | Manu | it works fine |
| 10:34.22 | Manu | or it seem so |
| 10:34.32 | LePoulpe303 | only problem : dialogs appears in log |
| 10:34.40 | LePoulpe303 | this cause me ban on wnc server ;) |
| 10:34.55 | Manu | hehe |
| 10:35.00 | LePoulpe303 | my first ban in 2 years of service to the bzflag cause :D |
| 10:35.50 | Manu | I'll say others do not kick/ban your bot ;) |
| 10:35.58 | LePoulpe303 | ty :) |
| 10:36.16 | ts | I haven't heard of anything ;) |
| 10:36.18 | ts | j/k |
| 10:36.29 | LePoulpe303 | till today i was using meteorite server for tests but it seems he has problems for hosting |
| 10:37.21 | Manu | ts: reported ;) |
| 10:40.04 | ts | Heh, I think email from nogroup is hardly read |
| 10:41.07 | Manu | ts: it was the faster way to do it ;) but you can read my reply too |
| 10:41.56 | Manu | LePoulpe303: only 2 commands? ;) |
| 10:43.26 | LePoulpe303 | Manu : more to come :) |
| 10:43.34 | LePoulpe303 | believe me, the hardest work is done |
| 10:43.36 | Manu | I was joking ;) |
| 10:43.48 | LePoulpe303 | if you have any idea, feel free to submit :D |
| 10:43.55 | Manu | yes, to help admins |
| 10:44.09 | Manu | allow a list of registgered users allowed to use some commands |
| 10:44.18 | Manu | for example to kick, ban... |
| 10:44.35 | Manu | so you can define new commands in the bot for example: tkban callsign |
| 10:45.13 | Manu | then the bot can do the ban with the right ban message |
| 10:45.18 | LePoulpe303 | hmm how do you kick someone usually ? |
| 10:45.29 | Manu | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.39 | LePoulpe303 | ok , that's easy then |
| 10:45.41 | *** join/#bzflag ruskie (n=ruskie@sourcemage/mage/ruskie) |
| 10:45.50 | LePoulpe303 | but my bot must have access to all these commands |
| 10:45.51 | ts | Manu: Server seems to be down |
| 10:45.52 | Manu | but it can store a longer message ;) |
| 10:45.55 | ts | all nr for me |
| 10:46.03 | Manu | it's you I guess ;) |
| 10:46.06 | ts | no |
| 10:46.16 | ts | You can read what I write here :p |
| 10:47.17 | Manu | I'll reboot it.. now I can't connect to the server :/ |
| 10:47.25 | ts | Let's hope it wasn't the bot |
| 10:47.29 | Manu | using the shell I guess |
| 10:47.40 | Manu | dunno :) |
| 10:47.58 | LePoulpe303 | hmmm |
| 10:48.06 | LePoulpe303 | never had problem on bzfx |
| 10:48.08 | Manu | don't worry LePoulpe303 :) |
| 10:48.12 | LePoulpe303 | i do ! |
| 10:48.17 | Manu | probably is not youi |
| 10:48.19 | LePoulpe303 | i 'm a professional programmer |
| 10:48.26 | Manu | you* |
| 10:48.38 | Manu | I'm too ;) |
| 10:48.46 | LePoulpe303 | i don't believe in fortune |
| 10:49.15 | LePoulpe303 | all is working ok, you put something new, the thing hangs => no accident in 90% of the case |
| 10:49.16 | Manu | in a few minutes I'll connect to the server |
| 10:49.29 | LePoulpe303 | i kicked da bot |
| 10:49.42 | Manu | is not the bot, it's the server |
| 10:50.02 | LePoulpe303 | who knows :) |
| 10:50.44 | Manu | all is fine now |
| 10:51.00 | *** join/#bzflag brad` (n=brad@brad.bz) |
| 10:51.05 | Manu | the server wasn't down |
| 10:51.15 | ts | What then? |
| 10:51.25 | LePoulpe303 | hum |
| 10:51.46 | LePoulpe303 | this bot project is not so good finally maybe |
| 10:51.47 | Manu | your bot is connected LePoulpe303 |
| 10:51.57 | LePoulpe303 | :S ??? |
| 10:52.09 | LePoulpe303 | kick his arse ! |
| 10:52.42 | Manu | bots hasn't ;) |
| 10:52.54 | Manu | n/lagstats |
| 10:53.03 | Manu | wrong window :/ |
| 10:53.42 | Manu | all were nr :/ |
| 10:54.05 | Manu | LePoulpe303: I can't find nothing wrong with your bot in the logs :/ |
| 10:54.53 | LePoulpe303 | i swear i use no malicious code |
| 10:55.02 | ts | Manu: Do you remember that poor player that caused the server to crash everytime he connected? |
| 10:55.13 | Manu | yes, an australian one |
| 10:55.22 | ts | I think the server has an affinity for being crazy |
| 10:55.29 | Manu | player "don't kill me" IIRC |
| 10:55.34 | Manu | heh |
| 10:55.47 | ts | and stump is also crashing it |
| 10:56.03 | Manu | it's weird :/ |
| 10:56.30 | ts | get off that ol' version :p |
| 10:56.54 | Manu | yes, but it also happened with older versions.. then we updated and nothing |
| 10:57.10 | Manu | may be it's a weird bug |
| 10:57.39 | Manu | or the statically linked libcurl with ares :/ |
| 10:58.08 | ts | could be errors in libcurl |
| 10:58.13 | Manu | yes |
| 10:58.22 | Manu | it uses an older version IIRFC |
| 10:58.25 | Manu | IIRC |
| 10:58.30 | ts | Why do you statically link to ares? |
| 10:59.00 | ts | I mean bz comes with an integrated version that is tested by many server owners |
| 10:59.05 | Manu | because chrooted iirc |
| 10:59.25 | Manu | Pimpinella can say about it |
| 10:59.26 | ts | I do not think it necessary |
| 10:59.51 | Manu | no, but it refused to work I guess |
| 11:00.36 | ts | Well, why? |
| 11:01.08 | Manu | dunno, Pimpi did it |
| 11:02.35 | ts | maybe if I put my bzfs in a CHROOT then I may run into probs, too (you know my affinity for bugs ;) ) but I'm too lazy |
| 11:05.43 | LePoulpe303 | "BZBot : The Cursed Bot" |
| 11:07.45 | Manu | ts: lol |
| 11:08.26 | LePoulpe303 | Manu : tell me wshen i can connect to / hang your server again ;) |
| 11:08.45 | Manu | you can connect now ;) |
| 11:11.02 | LePoulpe303 | hey i have another idea |
| 11:11.13 | LePoulpe303 | i could create games for observers |
| 11:11.24 | Manu | yes |
| 11:11.25 | LePoulpe303 | imagine the bot managing poker game or hangman |
| 11:12.39 | ts | hangman? o.O |
| 11:12.48 | LePoulpe303 | wrong name ? |
| 11:13.40 | LePoulpe303 | the game where you guess words |
| 11:15.04 | LePoulpe303 | update Player Set Strength = Strength * 2 where Callsign = 'Manu' |
| 11:18.19 | Manu | sure.. I was winning 13-2 my score and I was the 6th of 7.. what kind of ranking is it? |
| 11:18.40 | LePoulpe303 | same ELO algorithm than league |
| 11:18.50 | LePoulpe303 | player begins with 1000 |
| 11:19.10 | Manu | yes.. but I was the first in the list 13 kills and 2 deads |
| 11:19.19 | Manu | the second was 3-3 |
| 11:19.31 | Manu | and the second in the list was the first in the ranking |
| 11:19.36 | Manu | and I was almost the last |
| 11:19.46 | LePoulpe303 | this system will be accurate once it will had performs one week of ranking |
| 11:19.55 | Manu | well 1 of my 2 dead was a tk |
| 11:20.06 | LePoulpe303 | omg |
| 11:20.09 | LePoulpe303 | i forgot the "tk" case |
| 11:20.18 | Manu | hehe |
| 11:20.23 | LePoulpe303 | if ya kill a strong teammate ya get points for it |
| 11:20.36 | LePoulpe303 | but it could be logical |
| 11:20.42 | LePoulpe303 | depends of point of view :D |
| 11:20.48 | ts | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 11:21.09 | ts | hmm, it was stuck in private message for me |
| 11:21.37 | Manu | it worked for me |
| 11:22.00 | LePoulpe303 | ahah bot crash |
| 11:22.08 | Manu | :) |
| 11:23.21 | Manu | LePoulpe303: if you identify.. you can kick your bot ;) |
| 11:23.28 | LePoulpe303 | i think it's 'killed by the server in viper's damned lava' that is not managed |
| 11:23.55 | LePoulpe303 | danke schoen mein herr |
| 11:24.06 | Manu | bot kicked |
| 11:24.27 | LePoulpe303 | hmmmm when the bot crashes a ghost stays connected |
| 11:24.29 | LePoulpe303 | not good |
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| 15:59.17 | LePoulpe303 | Manu : ping ? |
| 16:00.42 | Manu | LePoulpe303: pong |
| 16:01.08 | LePoulpe303 | top10 function available |
| 16:01.25 | LePoulpe303 | returns current top 10 players (connected or not) |
| 16:01.35 | Manu | cool |
| 16:01.40 | LePoulpe303 | funny thing |
| 16:02.04 | LePoulpe303 | i have problems of locale keyboard handling in bzadmin |
| 16:02.10 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpinella (n=frank@gondolin.pimpi.org) |
| 16:02.25 | LePoulpe303 | when bzbot talk to me, funny things are displayed |
| 16:02.28 | LePoulpe303 | example : [lepoulpebot->] (!$) (#%^) ^%&# the goafers: Strength:1018[10] |
| 16:02.38 | Manu | yes I saw it |
| 16:02.51 | LePoulpe303 | it replaces numbers with equivalent character on us keyboard |
| 16:03.06 | Manu | you can convert it |
| 16:04.47 | LePoulpe303 | nope ; i think the problems comes from bzadmi |
| 16:04.48 | LePoulpe303 | n |
| 16:04.57 | LePoulpe303 | when i type / it says ? |
| 16:05.00 | LePoulpe303 | etc |
| 16:05.46 | LePoulpe303 | but |
| 16:05.59 | LePoulpe303 | why does it display 1018 and [10] correctly :S |
| 16:06.14 | LePoulpe303 | hmmmm |
| 16:06.15 | blast007 | yay for random features |
| 16:11.40 | LePoulpe303 | wow that's really a strange thing |
| 16:15.21 | LePoulpe303 | smells unicode crap |
| 16:17.55 | *** join/#bzflag ts (n=ts@p54B015FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:18.26 | ts | argl..wrong app..I hate my fat fingers |
| 16:19.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (NEWS AUTHORS): mike_s_ is Michael Sheppard |
| 16:19.56 | gsnedders | brlcad: I've updated the patch |
| 16:20.02 | *** join/#bzflag rufitos (n=rufitos@bl8-163-33.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 16:23.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/NEWS: linuxx0r real name |
| 16:24.38 | blast007 | gsnedders: do you have a list of the needed forum mods? |
| 16:25.04 | gsnedders | blast007: still don't have time for that - a small several line patch I have time for, but nothing that major |
| 16:25.12 | gsnedders | blast007: but yes, I'm pretty sure I do. |
| 16:25.29 | blast007 | I have attachment, quick reply, and the "username in template" thingy |
| 16:27.02 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/AUTHORS: credit Linuxx0r/Felix for his plugins patch and the low gravity flag work |
| 16:30.05 | *** join/#bzflag Erroneous (n=dtremena@users.gibbscam.com) |
| 16:30.19 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Erroneous] by ChanServ |
| 16:32.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/misc/bzfquery.php: |
| 16:32.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: apply the rest/update (thx\!) of gsnedder's sf patch [ 1497099 ] "bzfquery.php |
| 16:32.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: maxTime and player listing fix" which corrects an assumption that the array |
| 16:32.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: index was a value that went up to the number of players when it's actually the |
| 16:32.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: bzfs slot number, so you have to loop over and check the slots. this same |
| 16:32.13 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: assumption is possibly in the perl and python versions, but alas work for |
| 16:32.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: someone else and/or for another day. |
| 16:32.28 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@about/essy/fan/CBG) |
| 16:35.12 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/NEWS: player accounting bug fix to bzfquery |
| 16:35.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/AUTHORS: thank gsnedders for his code contribution (bzfquery bug fixes) |
| 16:49.28 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (Score.h Score.cxx): mark score methods as const when they're const, minor header updates, move some of the simpler const ones over to the header |
| 16:50.03 | Chestal | wee, bzfquery.py is fixed? |
| 16:54.42 | blast007 | no, the .php one |
| 16:54.50 | blast007 | :) |
| 16:55.12 | LePoulpe303 | what is the bug ? |
| 16:55.29 | blast007 | it was just a minor issue with the bzfdump function |
| 16:55.42 | blast007 | which technically was just there for a demo |
| 16:55.53 | LePoulpe303 | oh k .... |
| 16:56.18 | blast007 | oh, with the .py one, you mean? |
| 16:56.18 | LePoulpe303 | yeah |
| 16:57.36 | Chestal | the .py often simply fails with an exception |
| 16:57.52 | Chestal | the failure probability seems to be correlated to the number of players present |
| 16:58.15 | LePoulpe303 | may it be useful to (try to) correct it ? |
| 16:58.25 | Chestal | I think that if it fails and players don't change on server, it can be reproduced |
| 16:58.41 | Chestal | would be, best by someone who is familiar with python :-) |
| 16:58.46 | LePoulpe303 | i am |
| 16:58.54 | LePoulpe303 | i'm far not as talented as cods |
| 16:58.55 | Chestal | (and the bz protoocl, which rules out everyone ;-) |
| 16:59.15 | LePoulpe303 | Chestal : my current hobby http://bzbot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:00.06 | Chestal | sounds more complex than the bzfquery script :-) |
| 17:00.27 | LePoulpe303 | it is ! :) |
| 17:01.59 | LePoulpe303 | Chestal : i have a strange thing happening ... maybe you can help me |
| 17:02.01 | *** join/#bzflag shorty114 (n=shorty11@unaffiliated/shorty114) |
| 17:03.44 | LePoulpe303 | when i ask to display locally player list, it displays this http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/1w7jr095.html |
| 17:03.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: |
| 17:03.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: accept and apply a modified version of jpa-'s /gamestats patch (sf patch [ 1166571 ] Patch for /gamestats command) -- thx! |
| 17:03.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: the patch was updated to the new object-based server commands interface that tupone worked on as well as fixing a few minor issues like return types and format. |
| 17:03.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: the command is incomplete in the sense that it's not documented yet.. and it's not been run-time tested yet either. |
| 17:06.05 | LePoulpe303 | when the same strings are sent , bzadmin (and bzflag too) replace some numbers by !& ^ (their equivalent in US keyboard) |
| 17:07.29 | Chestal | uhm |
| 17:09.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (commands.h commands.cxx): cleanup after folks getting lazy with headers and formatting |
| 17:11.26 | LePoulpe303 | Chestal : i'm not clear, i think ... am i ? |
| 17:12.39 | Chestal | I think I understood you, it just seems improbable |
| 17:12.53 | LePoulpe303 | Chestal : never saw such a thing |
| 17:13.24 | Chestal | the clients should just display the text as is - unless you are using a language locale, then there are possible string replacements |
| 17:13.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: win32 pragma is in common, which is now correctly getting included first (via first in commands.h interface header); also move the WIN32 compatibility defines into the win32.h header. |
| 17:13.42 | LePoulpe303 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.42 | LePoulpe303 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.49 | LePoulpe303 | omfg |
| 17:13.53 | ts | Wow, busy brlcad :o |
| 17:14.08 | LePoulpe303 | when i paste here, it's correct !!!! |
| 17:14.11 | LePoulpe303 | :S |
| 17:14.33 | Chestal | from bzadmin? |
| 17:14.36 | LePoulpe303 | [lepoulpebot->] (*) (&%!) galadriel: Strength:1039[1] |
| 17:14.43 | LePoulpe303 | oh no , sry , was wrong line |
| 17:14.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/win32.h: add popen and pclose, used by bzfs commands, moved here from commands.cxx |
| 17:15.12 | LePoulpe303 | line displayed in my bot term : (1) (107) galadriel: Strength:1039[1] |
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| 17:15.51 | Chestal | could it be a swear filter? never used that |
| 17:15.52 | CBG | ~seen JeffM2501 |
| 17:16.19 | ibot | jeffm2501 <n=JeffM@74-37-170-201.br1.sho.az.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel ##essy, 1d 20h 53m 37s ago, saying: 'gotta go fix a truck now'. |
| 17:16.22 | LePoulpe303 | Chestal : do swear limit private msg too ? |
| 17:16.26 | Chestal | I'm not even sure it replaces 'bad' words by such characters |
| 17:16.47 | LePoulpe303 | isn't * the character below 1 in US keyboard ? |
| 17:16.47 | Chestal | LePoulpe303: I would assume so, I am not familiar with it, just guessing what it could be |
| 17:17.10 | LePoulpe303 | i mean the shifted character |
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| 17:17.49 | CBG | * is Shift-8 |
| 17:18.10 | LePoulpe303 | :S |
| 17:18.40 | LePoulpe303 | tht's really strange , because, sometimes it will display "1" and sometimes it will replace it by "*" |
| 17:19.05 | brlcad | the badwords filter also handles private messages, and the replacements should be limited to a subset of punctuation (i.e. no numbers) |
| 17:19.28 | LePoulpe303 | and it ALWAYS replace things between parenthesis !! |
| 17:19.34 | LePoulpe303 | (i thnik) |
| 17:19.43 | LePoulpe303 | not sure |
| 17:20.07 | Erroneous | 1 is ! |
| 17:20.26 | LePoulpe303 | i'll have to study quantic hypothesis soon |
| 17:20.32 | Chestal | you could try and type that exact line as a manual message and see if it gets distorted, too |
| 17:21.17 | LePoulpe303 | Chestal when i paste it in bzadmin, it's transformed !!!! |
| 17:21.24 | LePoulpe303 | even no need to hit enter |
| 17:21.39 | LePoulpe303 | wow |
| 17:22.18 | LePoulpe303 | when i type 1 on the nupas , it displays ok |
| 17:22.21 | LePoulpe303 | numpad sry |
| 17:22.55 | LePoulpe303 | when i use numbers on top of keyboard it displays !@#$ (=1234) |
| 17:23.02 | LePoulpe303 | x-files |
| 17:23.08 | LePoulpe303 | mulder where are u |
| 17:23.22 | LePoulpe303 | i wanto to believe |
| 17:24.19 | LePoulpe303 | ok too much for a single day |
| 17:24.27 | LePoulpe303 | i'll see all that tomorrow |
| 17:24.32 | LePoulpe303 | c u later mate |
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| 17:33.38 | silverfox | LePoulpe303_: how is the bzbot project going? |
| 17:34.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (ServerCommand.cxx commands.cxx): minor |
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| 18:00.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/man/bzfs.6.in: document the /gamestats command, provide some examples of what it should look like |
| 18:03.12 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: update the description string to be less cryptic, add a few extra identifier categories |
| 18:06.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/NEWS: added a new /gamestats command (need jpa's real name) |
| 18:13.52 | gsnedders | brlcad: oh, and I see you've credited me by my IRC name, not my callsign on BZflag |
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| 18:15.18 | ts | gsnedders: In my case it is neighter my callsign in BZFlag nor IRC..so what :) |
| 18:15.27 | gsnedders | ts: :) |
| 18:15.42 | gsnedders | just wondering if it was intended :P |
| 18:15.55 | ts | This way no one will message me for features :) |
| 18:16.10 | gsnedders | ts: :) |
| 18:16.24 | gsnedders | ts: problem for me is googling for Geoffrey Sneddon gives pages of nothing but me. |
| 18:16.49 | Erroneous | brlcad: /whois jpa-: jpa- <i=jpa@kapsi.fi> “Petteri Aimonen” |
| 18:24.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: missing brace |
| 18:24.54 | Erroneous | gsnedders: actually he probably credited you by your sf.net username ;) |
| 18:25.28 | gsnedders | Erroneous: and my IRC name as well, probably :) |
| 18:25.39 | Erroneous | ;) |
| 18:31.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (NEWS AUTHORS): he has a name, but it's not robert paulson |
| 18:33.33 | gsnedders | :D |
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| 20:04.46 | Erroneous | ~tannerld++ |
| 20:04.54 | tannerld | :o |
| 20:05.40 | tannerld | whatever for? |
| 20:05.58 | Erroneous | for being kind to ts :) |
| 20:06.36 | ts | oh, you're here :o |
| 20:06.39 | tannerld | lol |
| 20:07.01 | ts | tannerld: I've written you a bzmail |
| 20:07.04 | ts | thank you! |
| 20:07.15 | tannerld | ts: no problemo :) |
| 20:07.19 | ts | ~tannerld++ |
| 20:07.42 | tannerld | :) |
| 20:08.08 | tannerld | might take a while, depending on how fast the admins are at reading it :P |
| 20:08.52 | Erroneous | we're faster than you might think ;) |
| 20:09.21 | tannerld | :P |
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| 20:23.37 | tannerld | !karma tanner |
| 20:23.39 | tannerld | !karma tannerld |
| 20:23.46 | tannerld | ~karma tannerld |
| 20:23.46 | ibot | tannerld has karma of 2 |
| 20:23.59 | Erroneous | that's entirely too little |
| 20:24.00 | Theme97 | ~karma |
| 20:24.00 | ibot | theme97 has karma of 4 |
| 20:24.02 | Erroneous | ~tannerld++ |
| 20:24.13 | tannerld | Erroneous: lol |
| 20:24.35 | Theme97 | ~tannerld++ |
| 20:25.00 | ts | heh, it doesn't work when you're trying to increase or decrease your own karma |
| 20:25.12 | ts | ~karma |
| 20:25.12 | ibot | ts has karma of 1 |
| 20:25.27 | ts | tim didn't move yet :/ |
| 20:25.45 | tannerld | ~karma ibot_ |
| 20:25.45 | ibot | ibot_ has neutral karma |
| 20:25.48 | tannerld | :o |
| 20:25.49 | ts | (someone else had this callsign on IRC previously) |
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| 21:19.51 | silverfox_ | lePoulpe303, you around? |
| 21:22.09 | orange | hiya silverfox_ |
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| 21:23.58 | silverfox_ | hey orange, how have you been? |
| 21:24.58 | orange | good.. you? |
| 21:25.10 | SilverFox | good good. |
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| 21:26.35 | ts | hi silverfox |
| 21:27.38 | SilverFox | well, the whole crew is here... |
| 21:27.42 | orange | heh |
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| 21:28.48 | SilverFox | hello Gnurdux. |
| 21:28.55 | Gnurdux | oh, hi |
| 21:29.15 | Gnurdux | you want UltraGeno? |
| 21:29.31 | Gnurdux | Theme97, SilverFox can have UltraGeno, right? |
| 21:29.38 | Theme97 | umm |
| 21:29.46 | tannerld | UltraGeno? :o |
| 21:29.52 | Theme97 | well since you stole it from me ( >:( ) it's your choice |
| 21:29.55 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 21:30.02 | Gnurdux | Theme97, do you care if he uses it? |
| 21:30.15 | Theme97 | tannerld: geno-ing one tank... killed EVERYONE. (except you. and teammates. unless you shot a teammate with it. then it announces that.) |
| 21:30.23 | Theme97 | Gnurdux: sure? |
| 21:30.29 | Gnurdux | ok ;) |
| 21:30.30 | tannerld | Theme97: cool |
| 21:30.36 | tannerld | Theme97: should upload to AAA's site. |
| 21:30.48 | Theme97 | tannerld: Was my project when I was still learning some C++... then Gnurdux offered to "help". |
| 21:30.57 | Theme97 | :-/ |
| 21:31.07 | Theme97 | tannerld: s/help/steal/ Ssshhh... |
| 21:31.38 | Gnurdux | hehe sry ... |
| 21:32.41 | Gnurdux | SilverFox, accept |
| 21:37.21 | SilverFox | ack... ok |
| 21:37.32 | Gnurdux | wait |
| 21:37.41 | Gnurdux | good |
| 21:38.00 | SilverFox | never done DCC on this box/network (never tried before) |
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| 21:43.49 | Gnurdux | SilverFox, basically, what it does is is if anyone is hit by geno everyone blows up |
| 21:44.08 | Gnurdux | unless you hit yourself or a teammate in which case your team blows u[ |
| 21:44.27 | Gnurdux | unless your a rogue where you have no team and you shoot yourself, then nothing happens |
| 21:46.07 | SilverFox | dcc may be blocked by the firewall I'm behind. |
| 21:46.25 | Erroneous | silly firewalls |
| 21:46.44 | Gnurdux | SilverFox, it sent |
| 21:46.48 | Gnurdux | * DCC SEND UltraGeno.cpp to SilverFox complete [4668 cps]. |
| 21:47.01 | SilverFox | oh... |
| 21:47.17 | Gnurdux | its probably in ~/.xchat2 |
| 21:47.47 | SilverFox | yup |
| 21:47.51 | SilverFox | thanks much. |
| 21:48.00 | [dmp] | "cps" :) |
| 21:48.13 | [dmp] | rare you see that anymore |
| 21:48.14 | SilverFox | takes me back to bbs days... |
| 21:48.20 | [dmp] | exactly |
| 21:48.28 | SilverFox | I kinda miss that. |
| 21:48.32 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:48.45 | Chestal | those crappy transfer protocols |
| 21:48.53 | SilverFox | x/y/zmodem |
| 21:48.54 | [dmp] | zmodem :) |
| 21:48.56 | SilverFox | kermit |
| 21:48.59 | Erroneous | cps doesn't mean much now, with unicode. bps is a more reliable number. |
| 21:49.01 | Chestal | zmodem was almost decent |
| 21:49.12 | Chestal | uuh, kermit |
| 21:49.25 | [dmp] | what was the one with bi-directional transfers? |
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| 21:52.05 | z[h]ero | hi, i heared that it is allowed to take all maps created from other players on own server, right? (cause its all gnu pl license) |
| 21:52.27 | Theme97 | "take all maps created from other players on own server"? |
| 21:52.32 | Erroneous | the map author determines the distribution terms |
| 21:52.49 | Erroneous | bzflag itself is lgpl, but we only distribute one map (hix.bzw) |
| 21:53.01 | z[h]ero | so is it allowed to take the map of other people and put it on own server? |
| 21:53.05 | Theme97 | Erroneous: fountains.bzw |
| 21:53.11 | JeffM2501 | z[h]ero, depends on the server |
| 21:53.13 | z[h]ero | ok, only hix allowed? |
| 21:53.15 | Erroneous | most authors are fine with it, but you should ask first |
| 21:53.18 | JeffM2501 | it's not up to us or the project |
| 21:53.21 | JeffM2501 | yes, asking is best |
| 21:53.29 | z[h]ero | ok, asking them |
| 21:53.34 | Erroneous | Theme97: really? |
| 21:53.37 | z[h]ero | tks. (i was misinformed then...) |
| 21:54.01 | JeffM2501 | z[h]ero, not realy, it's a confusing situation |
| 21:54.05 | Erroneous | aw, sure enough :) |
| 21:54.15 | z[h]ero | hmmm? not really? |
| 21:54.29 | JeffM2501 | on the misinformation |
| 21:54.40 | JeffM2501 | it's confusing so it's hard to say if you were misinformed, |
| 21:54.42 | JeffM2501 | some maps are GPL |
| 21:54.44 | JeffM2501 | some arn't |
| 21:54.50 | JeffM2501 | the project itself is |
| 21:54.54 | JeffM2501 | so people get confused |
| 21:55.02 | z[h]ero | how it can be seen if they are GPL? ask the map creator, or? |
| 21:55.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's about it |
| 21:55.18 | Erroneous | if you have the map file it may have the license at the top |
| 21:55.18 | z[h]ero | ok, tks :) |
| 21:55.21 | JeffM2501 | or see if they have a license when you sign on to the server |
| 21:55.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:55.25 | Erroneous | if you're looking at a server, ask the server owner |
| 21:55.32 | JeffM2501 | no license dosn't mean it's automatilcy open |
| 21:55.45 | z[h]ero | k, tks |
| 21:55.59 | Erroneous | np :) |
| 21:56.17 | [NP]Tangent | hey, quick zone question here |
| 21:56.33 | [NP]Tangent | I'm making some flag zones... how do I guarantee that there's at least one of a particular flag in a zone? |
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| 21:57.23 | z[h]ero | bye |
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| 21:58.29 | [NP]Tangent | going once... |
| 21:58.31 | [NP]Tangent | going twice... |
| 21:58.34 | trepan | [NP]Tangent: prolly 'zoneflag' |
| 21:58.35 | [NP]Tangent | experimentation time! |
| 21:58.36 | [NP]Tangent | :D |
| 21:58.52 | [NP]Tangent | trepan, I know you use flag blahblahblah in the zone block |
| 21:59.00 | Theme97 | [NP]Tangent: Nope, not the same thing. |
| 21:59.02 | Theme97 | zone |
| 21:59.05 | Theme97 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.10 | Theme97 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.11 | Theme97 | end |
| 21:59.20 | Theme97 | ... oof, forgot size. |
| 21:59.25 | Theme97 | something like that |
| 21:59.26 | [NP]Tangent | can you put multiple zoneflags in? |
| 21:59.33 | Theme97 | yeah, i think |
| 21:59.36 | Theme97 | but don't use +f |
| 21:59.38 | Erroneous | try it ;) |
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| 21:59.46 | Theme97 | cause zoneflag adds rather than using +f |
| 21:59.47 | [NP]Tangent | like I said |
| 21:59.52 | [NP]Tangent | experimentation time |
| 22:00.14 | [NP]Tangent | and if there are other flags that I haven't used -f for, will they still show up in un-zoned areas? |
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| 22:00.40 | [NP]Tangent | eh |
| 22:00.42 | [NP]Tangent | don't worry about that |
| 22:00.44 | [NP]Tangent | I'll figure it out |
| 22:03.25 | [NP]Tangent | so I use zoneflag |
| 22:03.26 | [NP]Tangent | not flag |
| 22:03.27 | [NP]Tangent | right? |
| 22:04.07 | Theme97 | [NP]Tangent: right |
| 22:04.43 | [NP]Tangent | k |
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| 22:36.42 | TD-Linux | ooh |
| 22:36.45 | TD-Linux | that sounds neat. |
| 22:36.56 | TD-Linux | I think I'm needing that in BoxyWar... |
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| 22:53.12 | amcnabb | brlcad, I just did a cvs update, and I'm getting some segfaults now. |
| 22:53.38 | amcnabb | 0x00000000004a69c2 in SpawnPolicyFactory::Policy (this=0x6b3f80, policy=@0x7fffff3f5060) at TextUtils.h:44 |
| 22:54.32 | amcnabb | The backtrace has a couple of thousand of entries for SpawnPolicyFactory::Policy. |
| 22:54.44 | Erroneous | yay recursion |
| 22:54.47 | amcnabb | :) |
| 22:55.04 | amcnabb | This is on AMD64; I haven't tried anything else. |
| 22:58.16 | brlcad | cool |
| 22:58.27 | brlcad | i knew it couldn't all be sweet roses |
| 22:58.30 | amcnabb | :) |
| 22:59.23 | brlcad | ah, heh, oops |
| 23:00.39 | amcnabb | Did you find something? |
| 23:00.58 | brlcad | oh yeah, blatent mistake |
| 23:01.34 | Erroneous | those are the best kind |
| 23:01.46 | brlcad | i'd removed one of the overloaded Policy() functions, but didn't adust the code it impacted correctly |
| 23:04.30 | Erroneous | grr...obstacle should NOT depend on 3D, it's used by the server... |
| 23:05.47 | brlcad | yeah, that one bugged me |
| 23:06.30 | brlcad | wasn't an immediate fix obvious, it doesn't really have to use 3D aside from a couple calls iirc |
| 23:07.52 | Erroneous | it's not actually used in a non-client build |
| 23:08.31 | Erroneous | 3D, that is |
| 23:10.39 | brlcad | the problem came up compiling under irix or solaris, where there were unresolved lib3D symbols showing up during link of bzfs |
| 23:11.08 | Erroneous | yeah, blind linkers |
| 23:11.09 | brlcad | forget which exactly, and only vaguely remember now -- it was several moons ago, couple months |
| 23:11.49 | brlcad | it actually did trace to a symbol when I followed it through, some header that included a header that included a header that used lib3D or somesuch |
| 23:11.58 | JeffM2501 | the blind linking the blind? |
| 23:12.20 | Erroneous | brlcad: oh, no doubt it's a valid symbol...but not one that's used by any compiled code |
| 23:12.23 | SilverFox | *har* *har* |
| 23:12.52 | JeffM2501 | I'm here all week, try the veal |
| 23:13.19 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:15.14 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/SpawnPolicyFactory.cxx: oops, avoid the infinite recursion now that Policy() is no longer overloaded. make it so that Policy() shouldn't ever return NULL for that matter too. |
| 23:16.52 | Erroneous | probably... SpawnPolicyFactory.cxx:42: error: cannot call member function `virtual const char* DefaultSpawnPolicy::Name() const' without object |
| 23:17.06 | brlcad | heh, figures |
| 23:17.14 | brlcad | stupid non-static |
| 23:17.32 | brlcad | it was static, what idgit changed it |
| 23:17.44 | Erroneous | brlcad: the problem with lib3D as a dependency is that it then breaks non-client builds on all the other platforms (with intelligent linkers) too :) |
| 23:18.19 | amcnabb | brlcad: |
| 23:18.20 | amcnabb | SpawnPolicyFactory.cxx: In member function ‘SpawnPolicy* SpawnPolicyFactory::Policy(std::string)’: |
| 23:18.23 | amcnabb | SpawnPolicyFactory.cxx:42: error: cannot call member function ‘virtual const char* DefaultSpawnPolicy::Name() const’ without object |
| 23:18.45 | amcnabb | I swear I'm not trying to make your life miserable. :) |
| 23:18.56 | amcnabb | :) |
| 23:18.57 | amcnabb | oops |
| 23:19.54 | amcnabb | I guess I saw the commit message and got all excited. |
| 23:20.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/SpawnPolicyFactory.cxx: there, now it should actually compile. which means it probably doesn't work, but good enough. |
| 23:22.17 | brlcad | oh, Hero tonight |
| 23:22.29 | brlcad | or heros or whatever it's called |
| 23:23.36 | Theme97 | Heroes? |
| 23:24.35 | amcnabb | gyros? |
| 23:26.29 | brlcad | allllmost have the patches back under 50 |
| 23:27.55 | amcnabb | Hey. I still can't figure out why there are two Player objects for each robot (one in robots[] and one in player[]) |
| 23:28.03 | amcnabb | Does anyone know why that is? |
| 23:28.17 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/obstacle/Makefile.am: |
| 23:28.17 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: remove the lib3D dependency for now, leaving a note. libObstacle and/or it's |
| 23:28.17 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: headers and calls really should be properly decoupled at some point. the line |
| 23:28.17 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: might have to be uncommented or manually tweaked to get a build under irix in |
| 23:28.17 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: the meantime. |
| 23:28.26 | brlcad | you ask presuming that was intentional? :) |
| 23:28.27 | Erroneous | ack |
| 23:28.40 | Erroneous | commit conflict...nice timing brlcad :) |
| 23:28.44 | brlcad | woo hoo :) |
| 23:28.55 | brlcad | then my job is complete |
| 23:29.04 | Erroneous | been a while since we had one of those :) |
| 23:29.12 | brlcad | commits you mean? :) |
| 23:29.19 | amcnabb | brlcad, were you referring to my question? It looks intentional that there are two arrays. |
| 23:29.33 | brlcad | amcnabb: yes, half jesting |
| 23:29.35 | JeffM2501 | CBG, oh yeah, let met get to that now |
| 23:29.39 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 23:29.42 | JeffM2501 | got lost in work and stuff |
| 23:29.44 | CBG | no problem |
| 23:29.56 | CBG | work > bz stuff |
| 23:30.05 | CBG | I'm not the guy paying your bills. |
| 23:30.24 | Erroneous | brlcad: well, that too :) |
| 23:30.36 | Erroneous | commit conflict was what I meant though :) |
| 23:30.41 | amcnabb | brlcad, that's how I feel when I look at it--some stuff isn't getting updated in both objects. It seems like I'm missing something important, because otherwise it doesn't make sense to have both arrays. |
| 23:32.08 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/Makefile.am: finish unbreaking the disable-client build. 3d and geometry are not actually requirements for bzfs. |
| 23:32.14 | brlcad | amcnabb: half joking in the sense that I'm sure each was intentionally added for some purpose.. but more likely than not added as feature creep and with little/no consideration for the other |
| 23:32.48 | brlcad | as more changes were made, they slowly diverged where at some point they were probably more in sync |
| 23:33.02 | brlcad | i.e. it's probably never been refactored, unified |
| 23:33.06 | Erroneous | or it could be that whoever added the second, was not aware of the first :) |
| 23:33.57 | brlcad | i'd bet it was actually refactoring *towards* player objects that might have even caused it.. since the robots were originally custom separate code |
| 23:34.15 | brlcad | that was eventually made to use Player objects instead |
| 23:35.37 | brlcad | either way.. feel free to fix double/tripleness like that when you find it is what I'd say.. having the same "lines" of code replicated for separate arrays seems to be for either just one array or a manager of some sort that can update them in tandem if two are really needed |
| 23:38.04 | amcnabb | I'll look into it a bit more and give some thoughts about what might make sense. |
| 23:38.18 | amcnabb | I'm just nervous about breaking things. :) |
| 23:39.54 | Erroneous | don't be :) |
| 23:40.00 | brlcad | it's like buying a new car.. best to just scratch it yourself and get it over with ;) |
| 23:40.10 | Erroneous | brlcad breaks things all the time, and we still love him ;) |
| 23:40.17 | amcnabb | I'm recalling some stuff I looked at earlier. |
| 23:40.23 | brlcad | aww *sniff*, touching |
| 23:40.57 | amcnabb | myTank is NOT in the player[] array. For consistency, it might be best to also leave robots out of player[]. |
| 23:41.22 | amcnabb | The functions in Roster.cxx would have to be updated, as well as any code that this ends up breaking. |
| 23:41.50 | amcnabb | If people were careful, the breakage should be minimal. So there could be a lot of weird bugs. :) |
| 23:42.07 | Erroneous | weird bugs are the ones that are fun to debug ;) |
| 23:42.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzrobots/Makefile.am: there is no spoon, and apparently no bzrobots.h either |
| 23:42.57 | *** part/#bzflag Tropican8 (i=user@c-69-137-19-228.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 23:42.58 | amcnabb | Does this seem like a good idea; i.e., are people willing to be patient and help track down some of them? |
| 23:43.21 | JeffM2501 | "people" == like 3 devs man |
| 23:43.27 | brlcad | if by "people", you mean you .. sure? :) |
| 23:43.28 | JeffM2501 | if it cleans it up, do it |
| 23:43.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah just be willing to fix stuff that gets found |
| 23:44.06 | brlcad | just try to periodically test, so that if something has to get unrolled, it's not a mountain of work |
| 23:44.34 | brlcad | so you can at least sort of say "well, i think it worked last week" .. so there's only a week to review/undo |
| 23:44.39 | amcnabb | I'll do a quick test right now and see how much obvious stuff breaks. |
| 23:50.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/Makefile.am: api_notes is no more apparently, make distcheck fix |
| 23:51.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzrobots/Makefile.am: those auth files are over in ../bzflag dir too |
