| 00:00.06 | CBG | .... |
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| 00:24.16 | master_tux | Jeff, can I pm you? |
| 00:31.43 | CBG | I'd guess so, if your client is even remotely competent. :) |
| 00:43.54 | CBG | Thanks, needed that. |
| 00:45.01 | [NP]Tangent | what's up? |
| 00:45.27 | CBG | My organs were all staying inside my body... dunno why. |
| 00:45.41 | CBG | Now they are flowing out nicely. :) |
| 00:48.30 | PuMpErNiCkLe | CBG is shrooming. ^^ |
| 00:48.53 | CBG | I'm being beaten up, good. |
| 00:48.59 | CBG | By stats homework. :( |
| 00:50.21 | DTRemenak | pft, stats |
| 00:51.14 | CBG | That helps. |
| 00:51.43 | CBG | I'm fairly sure "You should have taken mechanics." won't be an answer on my exam. ;) |
| 00:54.26 | [NP]Tangent | heh |
| 00:54.30 | [NP]Tangent | I'm in calculus I |
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| 01:38.33 | Flash | is there an equivalent to LD_LIBRARY_PATH for MacOS applications? |
| 01:38.44 | Flash | JeffM2501: let me know when you get back |
| 01:39.53 | brlcad | Flash: yes, it's DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 01:40.04 | brlcad | though if they're gui, it shouldn't be necessary to set that |
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| 01:40.48 | Flash | brlcad: JeffM2501 pointed me to the 2.0.9s7 build, but it is looking for /usr/lib/libcurl3 |
| 01:41.03 | brlcad | ah yes.. he made a dynamic link dependency |
| 01:41.05 | Flash | I've now located it in /sw/lib/libcurl3 |
| 01:41.16 | Flash | how do I fix my new bzflag app? |
| 01:42.02 | Flash | I suppose I could just change the link in /usr/lib |
| 01:42.20 | brlcad | you "could".. but you really shouldn't mess with anything in /usr/lib |
| 01:42.30 | Flash | yes, not my first choice |
| 01:42.42 | brlcad | he apparently installed or had a libcurl.3.dylib sitting in there and it linked against that |
| 01:42.56 | Flash | I can set DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH in my shell and be forced to launch it that way |
| 01:43.22 | brlcad | it should have been built to forcibly link against the framework instead or to even link static |
| 01:43.34 | brlcad | Flash: yeah, that should work for the interum |
| 01:43.40 | brlcad | ~spell interim |
| 01:44.26 | Flash | it looks like DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH is not currently set in my shell... are there "normal" dirs that should be in it? |
| 01:46.27 | Flash | oooh. that doesn't work :-( |
| 01:46.42 | Flash | wait... wetware malfunction |
| 01:47.39 | brlcad | no, there's no normal dirs -- the default system dirs are searched automatically regardless |
| 01:48.32 | Flash | well, I set it to /sw/lib:/usr/lib ... it came up, and segfaulted trying to connect |
| 01:48.41 | Flash | I guess it doesn't work against 10.3 |
| 01:49.10 | brlcad | ooh, he built on 10.4? |
| 01:49.11 | Flash | JeffM2501 said it was built against 10.4 |
| 01:49.16 | brlcad | heh, k |
| 01:49.25 | Flash | he said he needed you to help him configure xcode |
| 01:49.50 | brlcad | yeah, he would have had to set some compatibility flags and been careful about libs linked in |
| 01:49.55 | Flash | but if you are in the helping mood, maybe you can help me unmunge my environment ;-) |
| 01:50.10 | brlcad | you can't compile it yourself? that really should be the easiest |
| 01:50.13 | Flash | I'm running 10.3, but was unable to link when building from CVS |
| 01:50.26 | brlcad | unable to link? |
| 01:50.38 | Flash | I'm a solaris developer by trade; I'm unfamiliar with CVS |
| 01:52.08 | Flash | ld: warning multiple definitions of symbol _tanhf |
| 01:52.18 | Flash | and just about every other symbol in libm |
| 01:52.31 | Flash | /usr/lib/libstdc++.a(stubs.o) private external definition of _tanhf in section (__TEXT,__text) |
| 01:52.54 | Flash | I do know I have gcc3.3 installed; I tried to get fink to upgrade to gcc4 and haven't had any luck |
| 01:54.43 | brlcad | well for starters, fink is quite problematic (and broken in several configurations) |
| 01:55.08 | Flash | I've heard that, but I don't remember what fink added and what it didn't so I'm not sure how to remove it |
| 01:55.09 | brlcad | unless you use *only* all fink stuff, otherwise you get into a medley of issues |
| 01:55.32 | brlcad | fink is entirely isolated into /sw so you can "temporarily" disable it just by moving/renaming that directory |
| 01:55.36 | [NP]Tangent | uh |
| 01:55.39 | brlcad | sudo mv /sw /sw.backup |
| 01:55.43 | [NP]Tangent | brlcad, could someone remove this? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9294 |
| 01:55.56 | brlcad | [NP]Tangent: probably |
| 01:56.06 | Flash | so the WHOLE /sw tree is fink? |
| 01:56.10 | brlcad | yep |
| 01:56.16 | Flash | ok |
| 01:56.40 | brlcad | the multiple defs lines are just warnings and should be benign |
| 01:56.56 | Flash | although I noticed in all my attempts to get libcurl3 I was always pointed to fink |
| 01:56.59 | brlcad | the tanhf one, however, sounds problematic |
| 01:57.33 | Flash | as I said, just one of several |
| 01:58.11 | Flash | tanhf, sinf, sinhf, sqrtf, tanf, powf, cosf, log10f, coshf, hypotf, atan2f, expf, logf |
| 01:58.26 | brlcad | it's all irrelevant until you're just using apple's dev tools and then install the proper necessary frameworks/libraries |
| 01:58.42 | Flash | ok... stand by |
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| 02:05.55 | Amazigh | hi |
| 02:06.10 | Amazigh | aaaaaaaa |
| 02:06.17 | Amazigh | allo |
| 02:06.20 | brlcad | shush |
| 02:06.27 | Amazigh | why u r quiet |
| 02:06.51 | brlcad | heh |
| 02:22.34 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ...nooblet. |
| 03:02.45 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, yes I built on the mini |
| 03:02.46 | JeffM2501 | so 10.4 |
| 03:03.02 | JeffM2501 | had to do command line, not xcode, cus xcode was NFG |
| 03:19.54 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: who's the girl? |
| 03:25.08 | JeffM2501 | in the image? |
| 03:46.38 | Flash | brlcad: ok, fink is gone, still doesn't link |
| 03:46.51 | Flash | (sorry it took so long; daughter had to play bzflag) |
| 03:47.07 | Flash | ld: ActionBinding.o illegal reference to symbol: std::_Rb_tree_rotate_left(std::_Rb_tree_node_base*, std::_Rb_tree_node_base*&) defined in indirectly referenced dynamic library /usr/lib/libstdc++.6.dylib |
| 03:47.12 | [NP]Tangent | kids love bzflag |
| 03:47.37 | Flash | mostly, I think kids love whatever daddy loves |
| 03:47.39 | [NP]Tangent | my sister (mentally challenged), has discovered it and now it is her favorite game to play. she always wants to play with me on it (she likes rabbit chase) |
| 03:47.44 | [NP]Tangent | daddy hates games :P |
| 03:48.20 | Flash | JeffM2501: I think my xcode is ok; how do I build from xcode? |
| 03:48.31 | Flash | 'cause my command-line is NFG |
| 03:48.35 | Flash | ;-) |
| 03:49.09 | JeffM2501 | open xcode and hit the button' |
| 03:49.22 | JeffM2501 | if your command line is jacked xcode will be jacked |
| 03:49.26 | JeffM2501 | xcode just calls the command line |
| 03:49.31 | JeffM2501 | and some other stuff |
| 03:55.38 | Flash | ok, so now I have a cool gui way to get to the same place ;-) |
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| 04:46.29 | KyleH | anyone here who understands how bzflag uses sound? My sound is very "tinny" and I dont know why. All other apps work just fine |
| 05:07.01 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 05:09.00 | KyleH | hi JeffM2501 |
| 05:09.08 | KyleH | Linux, kde under debian |
| 05:09.19 | JeffM2501 | then your bzflag is using SDL for sound |
| 05:09.21 | KyleH | 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 05:09.32 | JeffM2501 | are you set to use ALSA or ESD? |
| 05:09.46 | KyleH | Qt: 3.3.7 |
| 05:09.46 | KyleH | KDE: 3.5.5 |
| 05:09.46 | KyleH | kde-config: 1.0 |
| 05:09.52 | KyleH | actually I'm trying both |
| 05:10.04 | JeffM2501 | your sound card will usualy have drivers for one or the other |
| 05:10.11 | KyleH | I discovered the env variable SDL_DSP_NOSELECT=1 |
| 05:10.22 | KyleH | bzflag runs alsa then - but sound is still "tinny" |
| 05:10.36 | KyleH | I'm compiling bzflag with the --nosdl option now |
| 05:10.40 | JeffM2501 | you may want to look at a beter driver then |
| 05:10.41 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 05:10.46 | JeffM2501 | then it won't use alsa at all |
| 05:10.49 | JeffM2501 | just OSS |
| 05:10.52 | KyleH | ./configure --without-SDL |
| 05:10.55 | KyleH | just to see if that helps |
| 05:11.04 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to rebuild bzflag |
| 05:11.08 | JeffM2501 | just use the ESD sdl |
| 05:11.15 | KyleH | how do I do that? |
| 05:11.28 | JeffM2501 | there are more then one sdl packages |
| 05:11.31 | JeffM2501 | one for each sound system |
| 05:11.40 | JeffM2501 | remove the sdl1.2-alsa and replace it with another |
| 05:11.45 | JeffM2501 | they are listed in synamptic |
| 05:11.53 | JeffM2501 | or what ever package manager you use |
| 05:11.53 | KyleH | ok |
| 05:12.01 | KyleH | yes, I use synaptic |
| 05:12.04 | KyleH | also aptitude |
| 05:12.40 | KyleH | libsdl1.2debian-all |
| 05:12.53 | KyleH | is reported to fix a "sound double speed" problem |
| 05:12.54 | JeffM2501 | that is one choice |
| 05:13.00 | JeffM2501 | can't hurt to try |
| 05:13.03 | JeffM2501 | IIRC there are 3 |
| 05:13.09 | JeffM2501 | all, alsa, and esd |
| 05:13.52 | KyleH | hmm |
| 05:14.01 | JeffM2501 | or it may be OSS |
| 05:14.03 | KyleH | kk - I'll try them |
| 05:14.21 | KyleH | JeffM2501: I switched to pure OSS under Fedora and had great sound |
| 05:14.31 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 05:14.37 | KyleH | JeffM2501: now I'm using Debian and having trouble |
| 05:14.49 | JeffM2501 | it's all dependent on what drivers you have for your card |
| 05:14.58 | JeffM2501 | the sound systems themseves are just interfaces to the drivers |
| 05:15.04 | JeffM2501 | thaey don't change the sounds |
| 05:15.05 | KyleH | is there a switch or something to make bzflag choose to NOT use alsa? |
| 05:15.22 | JeffM2501 | it'll ask SDL to pick |
| 05:15.40 | JeffM2501 | but you can put environ vars in the DRIVER and DEVICE fields in bzflag |
| 05:15.43 | JeffM2501 | it'll pass those to SDL |
| 05:15.55 | KyleH | in the client there is a place to input the soudn driver - but it has never helped me |
| 05:16.19 | JeffM2501 | if your SDL was only built to suport ALSA then the fields won't make SDL do anything difrent |
| 05:16.26 | JeffM2501 | that is where the ALL one may help |
| 05:16.39 | KyleH | I just built this one: |
| 05:16.42 | KyleH | BZFlag client 2.0.8.20061105-MAINT-linux-gnu (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 05:16.42 | KyleH | Copyright (c) 1993 - 2006 Tim Riker |
| 05:16.45 | KyleH | "no sdl" |
| 05:16.49 | KyleH | let me try it out |
| 05:16.52 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 05:17.03 | JeffM2501 | that won't suport a lot of the other features |
| 05:17.12 | KyleH | oh? like what? |
| 05:17.14 | JeffM2501 | like joysticks, or the res swap stuff as well |
| 05:17.19 | JeffM2501 | SDL does more then sound ;) |
| 05:17.26 | JeffM2501 | SDL does most of the interface to the OS |
| 05:18.23 | KyleH | that fixed my sound |
| 05:18.30 | KyleH | bzflag seems to work ok |
| 05:18.34 | KyleH | I dont have a joystick |
| 05:18.42 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 05:18.43 | KyleH | what else will I lose? |
| 05:18.57 | KyleH | oddly enough, when started the client does NOT report any sound device |
| 05:18.58 | JeffM2501 | I think we can't minimise with out SDL |
| 05:19.43 | KyleH | JeffM2501: I've noticed that packaged versions of bzflag already know where the "data" directory is. How do I compile bzflag to know this also? |
| 05:19.45 | codergeek42 | SDL ftw! |
| 05:19.59 | KyleH | I mean, my compiles always require the -directory flag |
| 05:20.22 | KyleH | how can I compile bzflag to know where the -directory .../data is?? |
| 05:20.40 | KyleH | codergeek42: ftw? |
| 05:20.50 | codergeek42 | "for the win" |
| 05:21.05 | randomparticle | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.09 | JeffM2501 | KyleH, you don't |
| 05:21.15 | JeffM2501 | it's not a compile option |
| 05:21.19 | JeffM2501 | make -instal |
| 05:21.31 | JeffM2501 | that will copy the files to the right place |
| 05:21.45 | JeffM2501 | it's not the build you make, it's where you run them from ;) |
| 05:22.21 | KyleH | mine are at /usr/share/bzflag/ - is this correct? |
| 05:22.33 | JeffM2501 | is that the same place that the packages put it? |
| 05:23.14 | KyleH | yes |
| 05:23.14 | KyleH | make install puts them at /usr/local/share |
| 05:23.21 | KyleH | I'm not sure why the difference |
| 05:23.48 | JeffM2501 | cus the debian system is "difrent" |
| 05:23.54 | KyleH | lol! |
| 05:23.57 | KyleH | thats for sure |
| 05:24.04 | JeffM2501 | just put the files in the same place as your package ones, IIRC that is all it does |
| 05:25.14 | KyleH | where are the list of "config" options? |
| 05:25.23 | JeffM2501 | in the source |
| 05:25.25 | KyleH | I want to set the -window 1280x1024 there |
| 05:25.40 | KyleH | I mean in config.cfg |
| 05:25.54 | KyleH | I want to set the -window -geometry 1280x1024 there |
| 05:26.12 | JeffM2501 | set window 1 |
| 05:26.24 | JeffM2501 | then the geometry line |
| 05:26.30 | JeffM2501 | they are seperate in the config |
| 05:26.53 | JeffM2501 | for non SDL you have to give it the refresh and bitdepth too |
| 05:27.07 | KyleH | really? |
| 05:27.11 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 05:27.15 | KyleH | I just ran it without those |
| 05:27.18 | JeffM2501 | that's one of the things sdl does for us :) |
| 05:27.23 | JeffM2501 | did it accept those setings? |
| 05:28.15 | KyleH | this ran fine: ./bzflag -window -geometry 1280x1024 -directory ~/src/bzflag-2.0.8/data/ |
| 05:28.35 | KyleH | no refresh or bitdepth unless they are buried in my config.cfg |
| 05:28.43 | JeffM2501 | oh yeah, that's not the config |
| 05:28.46 | JeffM2501 | that's command line :) |
| 05:29.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah command line will take that with -window |
| 05:29.16 | JeffM2501 | cus it uses your OS bithdepth/refresh |
| 05:29.33 | KyleH | ok - how do I place bitdepth and refresh in my config.cfg? |
| 05:29.44 | JeffM2501 | if your window I don't think you need it |
| 05:29.51 | JeffM2501 | just open your config, it should have some values in there |
| 05:29.54 | JeffM2501 | just edit them |
| 05:30.17 | KyleH | it will not run without them on command line: |
| 05:30.23 | KyleH | (small flood warning) |
| 05:30.26 | KyleH | khamar@debian:~$ bzflag |
| 05:30.30 | JeffM2501 | pastebin |
| 05:30.30 | KyleH | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 05:30.30 | KyleH | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.30 | KyleH | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.30 | KyleH | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.30 | KyleH | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.31 | KyleH | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.34 | JeffM2501 | guu |
| 05:30.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah you got a refresh out of range |
| 05:30.56 | JeffM2501 | whats in your config? |
| 05:31.03 | KyleH | let me look |
| 05:31.26 | KyleH | refresh not found |
| 05:31.34 | JeffM2501 | whats on the geo line? |
| 05:31.41 | KyleH | its simply not in config.cfg - niether is bitdepth |
| 05:31.57 | KyleH | set geometry 1280x1024 |
| 05:32.07 | JeffM2501 | it may have not ever saved your config with a non SDL verison |
| 05:32.14 | JeffM2501 | I'd blow out your config and let it make a new one |
| 05:32.22 | KyleH | just delete it then? |
| 05:32.24 | KyleH | ok |
| 05:32.25 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 05:32.28 | JeffM2501 | it'll make a new one |
| 05:32.31 | JeffM2501 | using the current app |
| 05:32.37 | JeffM2501 | that config is probably from your SDL version |
| 05:33.42 | KyleH | hmmm |
| 05:33.45 | KyleH | will not run without one |
| 05:33.55 | JeffM2501 | can happen with the non SDL stuff |
| 05:34.02 | KyleH | I can try again with ./bzflag -window -geometry 1280x1024 -directory ~/src/bzflag-2.0.8/data/ |
| 05:34.06 | JeffM2501 | one reason why we use SDL by default ;) |
| 05:34.25 | JeffM2501 | what video card do you have? |
| 05:34.31 | KyleH | nvidia |
| 05:34.34 | JeffM2501 | why won't it run fullscreen |
| 05:34.35 | JeffM2501 | what drivers? |
| 05:34.46 | KyleH | the closed source one from nvidia |
| 05:34.54 | JeffM2501 | current? |
| 05:34.57 | KyleH | the most recent version |
| 05:35.02 | JeffM2501 | wierdness then |
| 05:36.08 | JeffM2501 | your basicly at the limit of what I know |
| 05:36.20 | JeffM2501 | about linux that is |
| 05:37.08 | KyleH | ack! |
| 05:37.20 | KyleH | bzflag chose the alsa driver again |
| 05:37.41 | KyleH | my make install did not overwrite the existing SDL binary |
| 05:37.56 | JeffM2501 | I'd manualy copy them then |
| 05:38.26 | KyleH | lol |
| 05:38.37 | KyleH | it must have stuck it in /usr/share/bin or some such place |
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| 05:40.55 | KyleH | JeffM2501: you still there? look at this wierdness |
| 05:41.11 | KyleH | khamar@debian:/usr/local/bin$ bzflag -v |
| 05:41.15 | KyleH | BZFlag client 2.0.8.20061016-MAINT-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 05:41.19 | KyleH | Copyright (c) 1993 - 2006 Tim Riker |
| 05:41.23 | KyleH | khamar@debian:/usr/local/bin$ ./bzflag -v |
| 05:41.27 | KyleH | BZFlag client 2.0.8.20061105-MAINT-linux-gnu (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 05:41.31 | KyleH | Copyright (c) 1993 - 2006 Tim Riker |
| 05:41.31 | KyleH | khamar@debian:/usr/local/bin$ which bzflag |
| 05:41.31 | KyleH | /usr/local/bin/bzflag |
| 05:41.36 | KyleH | I have a bzflag with -SDL in my path somewhere |
| 05:41.42 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 05:41.44 | DTRemenak | ~pastebin |
| 05:41.51 | ibot | well, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 05:41.54 | JeffM2501 | and yes, pastebin PLEASE!!! |
| 05:41.57 | KyleH | sorry DTRemenak |
| 05:42.20 | JeffM2501 | or a simple "I still have an SDL build in my path" woulda worked ;) |
| 05:44.19 | KyleH | sorry to be obnoxious! Its in my nature ;-) |
| 05:44.56 | KyleH | I once had a txt -> voice plugin running for irc. large channel pastes would keep it running like mad for 5 mintues |
| 05:45.27 | JeffM2501 | mmm fried rice :) |
| 05:45.54 | JeffM2501 | mmm robot magazine :) |
| 05:47.00 | KyleH | JeffM2501: all is working now. Thanks so much for the help |
| 05:47.20 | KyleH | the no-SDL version works without the -window and -geometry stuff too |
| 05:47.22 | JeffM2501 | cooleo |
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| 05:48.06 | KyleH | bzflag put this in the geometry line of config.cfg: set resolution "1280x1024 @85" |
| 05:48.34 | JeffM2501 | whatever works |
| 05:48.50 | L4m3r | KyleH: having the same issues with Debian? :P |
| 05:49.04 | KyleH | L4m3r: I fixed my sound with JeffM2501 help |
| 05:49.13 | L4m3r | oooh. what'd you do? |
| 05:49.16 | KyleH | and my window wierdness |
| 05:49.25 | JeffM2501 | he went to the non SDL build |
| 05:49.27 | KyleH | L4m3r: recompiled without sdl |
| 05:49.34 | L4m3r | Oh. okay. |
| 05:49.39 | KyleH | then deleted the config.cfg |
| 05:49.44 | KyleH | and let bzflag build a new one |
| 05:49.52 | KyleH | debian puts bzflag in odd places though |
| 05:50.04 | KyleH | you have to delete the copy in /usr/games |
| 05:50.55 | L4m3r | I'm going to go through and compile stuff, It'll have to wait until another day :) |
| 05:51.05 | KyleH | just use ./configure --without-SDL |
| 05:51.27 | KyleH | bzflag picks ALSA unless you do that |
| 05:51.52 | JeffM2501 | there are ways to make SDL use other sound systems |
| 05:51.57 | JeffM2501 | you just didn't go down that road |
| 05:52.00 | KyleH | ALSA does not work with my installed libsdl1.2debian-all |
| 05:52.04 | JeffM2501 | bzflag does not pick ANY sound system |
| 05:52.05 | JeffM2501 | SDL does |
| 05:52.23 | KyleH | oh! |
| 05:52.31 | KyleH | so my SDL was picking ALSA |
| 05:52.42 | JeffM2501 | yes, that's what I was telling you like 5 times |
| 05:52.47 | KyleH | how can I tell what bzflag is using now that it does not have SDL? |
| 05:52.55 | JeffM2501 | OSS |
| 05:53.01 | JeffM2501 | or ESD |
| 05:53.05 | JeffM2501 | I don't recall |
| 05:53.15 | JeffM2501 | X11 dosn't report it like SDL does |
| 05:53.24 | L4m3r | so bzflag and ALSA don't get along? or is that SDL's fault? |
| 05:53.26 | JeffM2501 | we don't do much dev on the old X11 stuff anymore |
| 05:53.30 | JeffM2501 | SDL |
| 05:53.30 | KyleH | and you said the way to make SDL pick OSS was to pass an environment variable? was that right? |
| 05:53.45 | JeffM2501 | with the SDL build, bzflag has no sound driver code |
| 05:53.49 | JeffM2501 | we just ask SDL to play stuff |
| 05:53.58 | KyleH | ahh |
| 05:54.02 | JeffM2501 | KyleH, IF your SDL allows them |
| 05:54.12 | JeffM2501 | SDL can ignore the variables |
| 05:54.20 | JeffM2501 | there are non alsa builds of SDL |
| 05:54.44 | L4m3r | ~bz20cvs |
| 05:54.46 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 05:54.52 | L4m3r | thank you, ibot. |
| 05:55.46 | KyleH | It is a sad fact; every Debian user out there right now with a fully updated system (etch) will likely have the same problem as I with the package available from "apt-get install bzflag" |
| 05:56.46 | JeffM2501 | only if there sound system dosn't have good alsa drivers |
| 05:56.55 | JeffM2501 | MANY users experince better sound using alsa |
| 05:57.01 | JeffM2501 | what sound card do you have? |
| 05:57.06 | L4m3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.07 | KyleH | JeffM2501: a crappy Intel one |
| 05:57.14 | JeffM2501 | with crap drivers it seems |
| 05:57.17 | KyleH | JeffM2501: some onboard AC97 junk or some such |
| 05:57.36 | JeffM2501 | not everyone has that hardware |
| 05:57.42 | KyleH | JeffM2501: point well taken |
| 05:58.21 | JeffM2501 | Alsa usualy works better with other sound apps as well, so that bzflag dosn't take over the entire sound system |
| 05:59.49 | KyleH | with enemy territory I have to use artsdsp wrapper or it takes over sound |
| 06:00.16 | JeffM2501 | I'd spend 25$ and get a sound card with beter drivers |
| 06:00.20 | JeffM2501 | like a little audigy |
| 06:00.44 | L4m3r | how can there not be a good AC97 driver? like half the computers on the planet have those |
| 06:01.30 | JeffM2501 | it's how the linux chipset driver is writen |
| 06:01.43 | JeffM2501 | IIRC AC97 is only a spec on the capabilitys |
| 06:01.48 | L4m3r | oh |
| 06:01.49 | JeffM2501 | NOT a specific hardware interface |
| 06:02.19 | L4m3r | crap, I don't understand that error. Some sort of carriage return issue? :| |
| 06:03.34 | blast007 | L4m3r: seems like it |
| 06:04.23 | JeffM2501 | did you get the code from like the zip file? |
| 06:05.17 | L4m3r | CVS checkout |
| 06:05.34 | L4m3r | uncommenting the first line seems to have helped, but not it's complaining about something else |
| 06:08.52 | L4m3r | This would be SO much easier if I knew bash :| |
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| 07:26.27 | Flash | L4m3r: are you still having a problem? |
| 07:26.46 | L4m3r | eh, I'll deal with it later |
| 07:26.54 | Flash | ok; I'm fluent in shell |
| 07:28.01 | findlay | and I pretend I am |
| 07:28.26 | Flash | quick shot... what OS are you one? |
| 07:28.53 | Flash | s/one/on/ |
| 07:33.42 | L4m3r | Debian |
| 07:38.26 | L4m3r | Dur. it was b0rked from a tarball |
| 07:38.32 | L4m3r | CVS checkout wasn't overwriting it |
| 07:39.22 | KyleH | g'night all - thx for the help |
| 07:47.08 | L4m3r | Gah. Dependency hell. |
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| 08:34.12 | LePoulpe303 | hi bzworld |
| 08:41.53 | L4m3r | b0rk |
| 08:41.55 | L4m3r | "/home/l4m3r/bz/builds/bzflag/src/platform/LinuxDisplay.cxx:186: undefined reference to `XF86VidModeSwitchToMode'" |
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| 08:43.34 | LePoulpe303 | L4m3r: is it painful ? |
| 08:43.56 | L4m3r | it seems to be in the code... I don't think I can fix it myself :( |
| 08:45.02 | LePoulpe303 | i can't help you either :( |
| 08:46.24 | LePoulpe303 | the fact is it isn't defined in the sources i have (2.0.8) |
| 08:50.40 | L4m3r | I'm compiling without SDL... |
| 08:51.42 | trepan | L4m3r: make sure you've got the right lib linking |
| 08:52.08 | L4m3r | how would I be able to tell? |
| 08:52.29 | trepan | it would work :) |
| 08:52.33 | L4m3r | it complained about some missing header files, so I installed the dev files for the display system |
| 08:53.44 | trepan | oops, that's prolly in source, pre-link, my bad |
| 08:55.01 | L4m3r | well, it *should* be some sort of configuration issue |
| 08:55.13 | L4m3r | seeing as how KyleH was able to do the same thing, on Etch also |
| 08:56.01 | L4m3r | or perhaps is is something in CVS... hm... |
| 08:56.38 | L4m3r | is there a commit log I can look at? |
| 09:01.16 | trepan | the problem is most likely on your end |
| 09:01.58 | trepan | http://www.xfree86.org/current/XF86VidMode.3.html |
| 09:03.16 | trepan | (if 'undefined ref' is a compilation and not linkage error...) |
| 09:17.11 | L4m3r | adding --with-x made it work :) |
| 09:22.32 | LePoulpe303 | trepan : can i find somewhere how player identification (password verification) is done ? |
| 09:23.20 | LePoulpe303 | i can't find it in bzadminclient.cxx |
| 09:26.10 | LePoulpe303 | i guess it's done through my.bzflag.org but dunno how |
| 09:26.55 | L4m3r | I would think it's some PHP script that checks it against the BZBB database |
| 09:27.06 | L4m3r | and yay, I have decent sound now! :D |
| 09:28.30 | LePoulpe303 | L4m3r: great :) |
| 09:31.16 | LePoulpe303 | L4m3r: would yo ube interested by a server bot ? |
| 09:31.27 | L4m3r | not really |
| 09:31.39 | L4m3r | iirc it's ready to go for 2.1 already |
| 09:32.06 | LePoulpe303 | :S mybe i reinvented the wheel then |
| 09:32.39 | L4m3r | I'd be more interested in a headless bot client :) |
| 09:32.50 | L4m3r | like a bzadmin bot |
| 09:32.54 | LePoulpe303 | exactly what i do |
| 09:32.59 | L4m3r | then I could log and run a bot at the same time |
| 09:33.16 | L4m3r | Teppic had something like that, almost. |
| 09:33.22 | L4m3r | rendering in a 10x10 window, lol |
| 09:33.51 | LePoulpe303 | you mean rendering 3d in a console window ? |
| 09:35.10 | L4m3r | no, he just tweaked the display so that it ran in an X window |
| 09:35.19 | L4m3r | but consumed almost zero resources... |
| 09:35.28 | L4m3r | which at least would allow for a dedicated bot computer |
| 09:38.44 | LePoulpe303 | i'm not sure to understand |
| 09:39.27 | LePoulpe303 | but perhaps i should discuss with Teppic |
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| 13:19.07 | LePoulpe303 | bambada bidu wah |
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| 14:23.36 | LePoulpe303 | msg Teppic Rhhhhaaaaaaah f.cking wifi connection |
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| 14:32.22 | SportChick | hi lucky_luke :) |
| 14:32.26 | lucky_luke | hey :) |
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| 14:50.04 | lucky_luke | question: does anyone know how to start bzflag -window in gdb mode? |
| 14:53.53 | SportChick | lucky_luke: tokimi says he knows |
| 14:53.56 | SportChick | he's in ##essy |
| 14:54.10 | Chestal | gdb bzflag ; then 'run -window' in gdb |
| 14:54.23 | Chestal | I think, I rarely use gdb |
| 14:54.43 | SportChick | gj Chestal |
| 14:56.05 | lucky_luke | ty! |
| 14:56.08 | Chestal | hi SC |
| 14:58.15 | LePoulpe303 | Chestal: may i find somewhere how player identification (password transmisssion) is done in bzflag ? |
| 15:00.10 | Chestal | LePoulpe303: it's in the code somewhere :-) from what pespective? client, server or list server? |
| 15:01.10 | LePoulpe303 | Chestal: client ; i have a bot whose nick is registered , and would like to log it using its password |
| 15:01.30 | LePoulpe303 | as theere is no field called "password" in MsgEnter, i bet this is done elsewhere |
| 15:07.17 | Chestal | client talks to list server (http) with callsign/password, list server answers with token. client connects to one bzfs, shows token to bzfs (I guess as part of MsgEnter), bzfs contacts list server to verify token |
| 15:07.30 | Chestal | that's about the level of detail I know |
| 15:07.38 | LePoulpe303 | omfg |
| 15:08.34 | LePoulpe303 | thank you .... ok ..... maybe not registered is not so bad after all :) |
| 15:08.47 | Chestal | well, it's not that hard |
| 15:09.17 | Chestal | you only have to do one http get to acquire the token, then use that in msgentre |
| 15:09.28 | LePoulpe303 | i need registering so that my bot could access to /IDLIST command |
| 15:10.32 | LePoulpe303 | token isn't in msgEnter |
| 15:10.48 | LePoulpe303 | in fact the word "token" doesn't appear in protocol.h |
| 15:11.42 | Chestal | sur eit's in there, ServerLink::sendEnter has it |
| 15:11.55 | LePoulpe303 | ok deep diving again in BZadminclient |
| 15:11.56 | Chestal | callsign, email, token, version |
| 15:13.12 | Chestal | this might actually be documented somehere :-) |
| 15:13.32 | Chestal | look at src/game/ServerList.cxx for the http, search for 'password', looks pretty simple |
| 15:13.35 | LePoulpe303 | i think i never used so much wingrep in my life |
| 15:13.51 | Chestal | I'm away for now |
| 15:14.20 | LePoulpe303 | Chestal: ok thanks a lot for ur help |
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| 15:59.21 | lacop | hello |
| 15:59.48 | lacop | is there any good map editor for linux? I've found only some for Win32 |
| 16:00.10 | lacop | i want to make a small map for personal use |
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| 16:04.07 | ruskie | lacop, open up a new file in you favorite plaintext editor and man bzw and start writting :) |
| 16:04.18 | ruskie | lacop, the map that is :) |
| 16:04.44 | LePoulpe303 | i thought someone would answer "vi" |
| 16:04.54 | lacop | ruskie, i know, but i wanted som GUI :) |
| 16:04.55 | LePoulpe303 | thanks for avoiding this stinking joke ruskie |
| 16:05.11 | ruskie | lacop, I know ppl prefer different editors... |
| 16:05.14 | ruskie | erm LePoulpe303 |
| 16:05.18 | ruskie | so I say editor :) |
| 16:05.26 | LePoulpe303 | lol |
| 16:05.38 | lacop | so, ... |
| 16:05.41 | lacop | thanks :) |
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| 17:47.11 | blast007 | if lacop comes back, suggest the blender plugin |
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| 22:17.00 | SportChick | aribeth?! |
| 22:17.07 | Aribeth | its me |
| 22:17.07 | SportChick | w00t!! |
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| 22:17.24 | Aribeth | haha |
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| 22:19.50 | Aribeth | ok |
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| 23:56.47 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, did you break the interweb again? |
| 23:56.47 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 23:56.47 | findlay | teh INTARWEBS felt the effects of my ultimate BZWeapon |
| 23:57.17 | JeffM2501 | the TUBES, somone bent the TUBES!!!! |
| 23:57.54 | findlay | the tubes are actually filled with aerodynamic, efficient squirrls, each with a packet on their back and the run back and forth ferrying packets |