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| 10:57.53 | ruskie | http://michael.bacarella.com/papers/netoftrust.html <-- nice why software anti-cheating is a loosing battle :) |
| 11:03.33 | ruskie | and a recommended alternative :) |
| 11:04.08 | ts | well, "anti-cheat clients" can be run from admins as tool to look for it. |
| 11:04.29 | ruskie | I like his idea though... |
| 11:04.33 | Manu | anti-cheat clients? lol |
| 11:04.43 | ts | just it shouldn't have any impact on the server alone via automated actions |
| 11:04.44 | ruskie | network of trust :) |
| 11:04.58 | ruskie | it would work I think... |
| 11:05.27 | Manu | ruskie: if cheaters hack the game, also can hacl the anti-cheat client ;) |
| 11:05.41 | ruskie | I didn't mean anti-cheat clients/soft :) |
| 11:05.53 | ruskie | I meant his network of trust for online gaming... |
| 11:06.51 | ruskie | expand the bzdb to include a trusted by field that players can then /trust playerfoo /donttrust playerfoo and that way associate with a person or not... |
| 11:07.30 | Manu | ruskie: this doesn't mean trusted can't cheat |
| 11:07.47 | Manu | simply you don't know they cheat |
| 11:08.09 | ruskie | if someone get's caught his trust level drops to -1 |
| 11:08.11 | Bluer | if an untrusted playerfoo has no one to associate with, then he would change identity, and since most have dynamic ips... |
| 11:08.42 | ruskie | and this is just an extra... |
| 11:09.03 | ruskie | basicaly he's right, software can't do it alone... |
| 11:09.08 | ruskie | nor can hardware... |
| 11:09.18 | ruskie | and yeah te community can't do it as well alone |
| 11:09.29 | ruskie | but merge two of these togheter and it get's more reliable... |
| 11:09.29 | Manu | ruskie: always have been cheaters als always there will be |
| 11:09.33 | ruskie | yup |
| 11:09.37 | Manu | and* |
| 11:09.45 | Manu | no only in computer games |
| 11:09.51 | Manu | not* |
| 11:10.07 | ts | The difference is to what degree they can cheat without having the admins noticing it |
| 11:10.53 | Manu | ruskie: if you read in your link 'A matter Of Trust' you'll see the main problem |
| 11:10.55 | ts | A "network of trust" isn't going to solve it, as you can hardly trust people |
| 11:11.23 | ts | most will just say one cheats because he seems to be too good |
| 11:11.31 | ts | where it doesn't have to be true.. |
| 11:11.35 | Bluer | ts, can't agree more |
| 11:11.39 | Manu | yes, it happens actually |
| 11:12.02 | ts | All that accusations without proof are just stupid.. |
| 11:12.29 | ts | so I don't try to fight a battle in areas where I can't win |
| 11:12.50 | Chestal | for those who don't know: there were plans for some kind of 'karma# system for bz. In bz source tree, there is doc/guide/Karma.xml which has the idead from back then (was before globa login was implemented I think) |
| 11:12.53 | ts | no one is ever going to know whether a radar is still original for example |
| 11:13.15 | ruskie | well karma would be nice imho... |
| 11:13.16 | ts | The karma system has the same drawbacks as stated above |
| 11:13.22 | ruskie | but still it would be nice |
| 11:13.23 | Manu | Chestal: yes, but I guess this is not going to fix nothing about cheating |
| 11:13.34 | ts | Basically only the admins could vote without having it compromised |
| 11:14.01 | ts | Where at some servers you better don't trust the admins :x |
| 11:14.07 | Manu | ts, right. I can imagine a team of cheaters voting ;) |
| 11:14.32 | Manu | it was long discussed in the past |
| 11:14.53 | Chestal | Manu: cheating is only one aspect, it's more that I say that "it's fun to play with this player" |
| 11:15.08 | Manu | Chestal: I agree |
| 11:15.20 | Manu | but we were talking about cheaters |
| 11:15.33 | ts | Of course you can give points for sportsmanship but it's a different topic |
| 11:15.41 | Chestal | hmm, not really to me |
| 11:15.55 | Chestal | I coudl give trust to a couple peopel I have bene playing with for ages |
| 11:16.04 | Chestal | of course I cannot be 100% sure they dont cheat |
| 11:16.06 | Manu | yes, right |
| 11:16.08 | Chestal | but if they do, I don't care :-) |
| 11:16.14 | Manu | hehe |
| 11:16.25 | Bluer | I'm beginning to have the impression that cheating is very simple |
| 11:16.38 | Manu | Bluer: yes, it is :( |
| 11:16.55 | Manu | well, only for some guys |
| 11:17.01 | ts | Bluer: Actually it's always easy to cheat unless you have a closed-source game |
| 11:17.34 | Bluer | is it not possible to try to modify the original game to make it harder to cheat, instead of trying to come up with systems to expell cheaters? |
| 11:17.42 | Bluer | ts, I see |
| 11:18.24 | ts | In the ideal world the server would notice all "strange" things |
| 11:18.43 | ts | However many devs and people prefer new features instead |
| 11:19.16 | ts | That's what makes people updating to newer version when the new protocol is incompatible to the older protocol |
| 11:19.22 | Manu | Bluer: the client always has to know some datas about the game, like players positions and so on.. so a cheater can use this info easy to cheat |
| 11:19.37 | Manu | Tupone: welcome ;) |
| 11:19.45 | ts | ciao ;) |
| 11:19.52 | Bluer | I was always under the impression that open source efforts had some sort of respect, and appreciation from programmers everywhere, especially with a community oriented game like bzflag. But I guess not |
| 11:19.53 | Tupone | hi |
| 11:20.03 | Manu | only a better protocol can make the things a bit harder to a cheater but not for every thing |
| 11:20.07 | Bluer | I see |
| 11:20.34 | Manu | still the client has to draw the game :) |
| 11:21.04 | Eagle246_ | no matter what the game is there will always be cheaters |
| 11:21.35 | Manu | Eagle246_: yes, ppl also can cheat in tic tac toe ;) |
| 11:21.50 | Manu | cheating is an human condition ;) |
| 11:21.54 | Eagle246_ | lmao |
| 11:21.56 | Manu | a |
| 11:21.56 | CBG | They can if you look away :P |
| 11:22.12 | Manu | what I mean is they can cheat |
| 11:22.18 | CBG | But no subtle tictactoe cheats, like, a skinny tic, or a slightly faster tac. :) |
| 11:22.20 | Bluer | hey CBG! nice to have you wherever I go |
| 11:22.25 | Bluer | ;) |
| 11:22.30 | CBG | Bluer: I'm *everywhere*! |
| 11:22.42 | CBG | Wait, no, that makes me sound like God. Yuck. :| |
| 11:22.42 | Manu | CBG: yes, I can say.. look CBG a dunkey flying.. and you look ;) |
| 11:22.56 | CBG | and then you move my piece and win :P |
| 11:23.05 | Manu | it's a very subtle cheat. lol |
| 11:23.12 | CBG | heh |
| 11:23.37 | Bluer | hehe |
| 11:24.01 | Manu | a subtle cheat can be an invisible ink ballpen ;) |
| 11:27.28 | ts | In my efforts to forbid a bit cheating I found horrible ways of manipulating the game...you can be sure there will be always a lot of cheats being used |
| 11:28.09 | Manu | ts: welcome ;) |
| 11:28.25 | ts | All you can do as player is goingt to server with better admins and hope they'll keep care of all |
| 11:28.44 | Manu | yes, but some cheats you know are really difficult to detect |
| 11:28.46 | CBG | The server is far to trusting of the client... |
| 11:29.26 | CBG | For example, I can change the bad-flag-shake-time in my client, the server does not check that I held bad flags for the right amount of time. |
| 11:29.48 | ts | flags are for loosers ;) |
| 11:29.53 | Manu | hehe |
| 11:29.59 | CBG | Well, was just an example. :P |
| 11:30.00 | Bluer | !! |
| 11:30.06 | Eagle246_ | but doesnt the server set the time? |
| 11:30.21 | Manu | CBG: it's funny to kill tanks when you have WA, why do you want to drop it? :p |
| 11:30.29 | ts | it tells the server what time it should use |
| 11:30.45 | CBG | Eagle246_: yes, but in the client, you can multiply this time by any factor you like, '0', for example. |
| 11:30.51 | ts | Err, what is WA again? |
| 11:30.52 | CBG | Manu: hehe :P |
| 11:30.54 | CBG | Wide Angl |
| 11:30.56 | CBG | ee |
| 11:30.58 | Manu | Wide Angle |
| 11:30.58 | ts | Aaaah |
| 11:31.13 | Eagle246_ | CBG: ah i see |
| 11:31.26 | Manu | CBG: or with colour blind.. it¡s just a memory game ;) |
| 11:31.45 | CBG | That's just one example of so many, I have barely scratched the surface looking at the code... |
| 11:31.54 | CBG | Hmm, who was that Eagle guy? |
| 11:32.05 | CBG | I hope he wasn't just looking for cheat ideas. :/ |
| 11:32.12 | ts | from the scientific point the colour blind flag doesn't work correct |
| 11:32.20 | Manu | yes, he wanted to dcc chat me :/ |
| 11:32.30 | ruskie | well CB still has a weakness... spawns are still team coloured... |
| 11:32.37 | ts | as the still have the ability to see the brightness difference |
| 11:32.51 | Manu | ruskie: nah.. you can see if he shoots you ;) |
| 11:33.01 | ruskie | lol |
| 11:33.14 | ruskie | I don't shot at ppl shooting at me unless I know they are the enemy... |
| 11:33.33 | Manu | ruskie: if they shoot you, they are the enemy |
| 11:33.46 | ruskie | Manu, sadly not always true :( |
| 11:33.49 | ts | heh, I remember yugi |
| 11:33.58 | Manu | ruskie: yes always ;) |
| 11:34.00 | ts | always the enemy ;) |
| 11:34.26 | ruskie | not when it comes to stupid newbs who have no clue... |
| 11:34.36 | Manu | so they are the enemy |
| 11:34.43 | Manu | hehe |
| 11:35.05 | ruskie | or your own teammates who think that becaule you show up on radar red(due to the red guy below you while you have a st flag...) |
| 11:35.06 | Manu | rule #1 keep far from noobs |
| 11:35.46 | ts | I try that but then I forget dodging the bullets |
| 11:35.55 | Manu | ruskie: worse is when you have CL ;) |
| 11:36.00 | CBG | If they shoot at you, they probably expect that you will kill them because they are a n00b. |
| 11:36.06 | CBG | Why disappoint? |
| 11:36.11 | ts | when a newbie is near I try to drive away as they could always shoot..when a bullet comes then I forget to dodge |
| 11:36.33 | Manu | noobs are there to kill skilled players, lol |
| 11:36.43 | ts | They always do |
| 11:36.44 | ruskie | that's why I like elevated positions... |
| 11:36.52 | ruskie | newbs don't always know how to jump... |
| 11:37.20 | ts | I'm the perfect target for newbies and people with a bad connection because I expect a certain reaction scheme |
| 11:37.27 | Manu | but they are luck and will kill you in the high too |
| 11:37.31 | ts | if they don't fit it then I die ;) |
| 11:37.36 | ruskie | lol |
| 11:37.45 | ruskie | I observe players a lot :) |
| 11:37.53 | ruskie | atleast the regulars... |
| 11:38.02 | ruskie | that way I start expecting what they will do :) |
| 11:38.10 | ts | Heh, then tell me how do I play? |
| 11:38.24 | ruskie | I don't have notes on a paper :) |
| 11:38.29 | ruskie | and I didn't observe you that much... |
| 11:38.34 | ruskie | hardly ever saw you online |
| 11:38.39 | ts | :( |
| 11:38.48 | Manu | ts, for invible mode press F12 k |
| 11:38.54 | Manu | invincible |
| 11:38.54 | ruskie | this is like a trance... |
| 11:39.01 | ruskie | I simply watch and see what happens... |
| 11:39.12 | ruskie | and slowly I get a feel on how a certain player plays... |
| 11:39.12 | ts | Manu: I have set god mode to F1 lol ;) |
| 11:39.33 | Manu | then press F1 ;) |
| 11:39.40 | ruskie | not really aware of it until I play against the player... |
| 11:40.41 | ts | I find it funny to watch the players, I found several mods with that |
| 11:40.41 | Manu | I still remember when an observer said: F12 to get extra lives and then a bunch of players signed off |
| 11:40.51 | ts | but I don't learn about playing by that |
| 11:41.04 | ts | learning by doing is my attempt |
| 11:41.49 | Admirarch | Learning by dying :) |
| 11:41.53 | ruskie | ohh I learn to play by attempting... |
| 11:42.09 | ruskie | but observing ppl gives me a slight edge :) |
| 11:42.32 | ts | Admirarch: Is that your way of playing? *g* |
| 11:43.00 | Manu | heh |
| 11:43.43 | ruskie | hmm will play some today afyter lunch... |
| 11:43.47 | ruskie | haven't played in a while.. |
| 11:44.14 | Manu | the lag stops me to play now :( |
| 11:44.37 | ruskie | :( |
| 11:44.58 | Manu | I only can play a few minutes early in the morning :( |
| 11:45.19 | ts | You should complain to your provider |
| 11:45.32 | Manu | is not my provider.. :/ |
| 11:45.49 | ts | Doesn't your provider control the routing? |
| 11:46.01 | ruskie | it's a secondary provider here that's more than likely causing my 1% loss probs... |
| 11:46.02 | Manu | yes, probably.. but no way to tell them |
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| 11:46.24 | MICH | Hi |
| 11:46.32 | ruskie | it routes my conn from ljubljana to maribor from maribor into austria from austria into nethrelnads and only then germany.. |
| 11:46.36 | Manu | ts: this is -> 13: fragw2.gatewayrouter.net (217.20.117.9) asymm 14 376.194ms |
| 11:48.06 | MICH | I have short question: It is possible to change game type (free -> ctf, ctf -> free) with bzadmin? |
| 11:48.42 | Manu | MICH: the game type is defined by the server, not by the client |
| 11:48.59 | Manu | you can join another server with a different style |
| 11:49.28 | MICH | Yes, but i have server, my own. |
| 11:50.11 | Manu | MICH: no way afaik |
| 11:50.14 | MICH | And now, to change game type i have to change it by killing server in shell and changing config. |
| 11:50.40 | Manu | well you can use scripts for it |
| 11:51.12 | MICH | Scripts executable from shell oraz from game comand line? |
| 11:51.27 | Tupone | you can even kill from bzadmin IIRC |
| 11:51.48 | Chestal | there s /shutdown command I think |
| 11:51.52 | Chestal | hi Tupone |
| 11:52.00 | Tupone | hi Chestal |
| 11:52.42 | ts | Manu: ewww, with gatewayrouter.net you have a big problem |
| 11:52.51 | Chestal | MICH: bzadmin cannot do anything more than the full client can, it's just often more convenient to use bzadmin if you just want to submit a few /commands |
| 11:53.03 | Manu | ts: I know, snif :_( |
| 11:53.23 | Manu | every year is the same :( |
| 11:54.01 | MICH | Chestal: [SERVER->] Unknown command [shutdown] :( |
| 11:54.42 | Chestal | seems to be /shutdownserver |
| 11:54.54 | MICH | Better |
| 11:55.35 | Manu | MICH: just enter /? for a list of commands ;) |
| 11:57.00 | MICH | Manu: Thanks, i downt know about it, i have tried help, commandlist, but i dont that that it is only ? |
| 11:57.24 | Manu | :) |
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| 12:50.03 | MICH | Bye, bye |
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| 14:26.48 | Manu | brlcad, DTRemenak http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9274 |
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| 15:51.30 | brlcad | Manu: thx |
| 15:51.39 | brlcad | and buenos dias |
| 15:53.18 | SportChick | brlcad: when you have some time I/mozul have/has some questions for you |
| 16:04.39 | Manu | buenos días brlcad :) |
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| 18:14.36 | JeffM2501 | why does the bzflag wiki suck so much? |
| 18:14.59 | Erroneous | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.26 | Gnurdux | nobody edits it |
| 18:16.13 | JeffM2501 | well I want to edit it |
| 18:16.21 | JeffM2501 | that flag list is just wrong |
| 18:16.34 | brlcad | because tim set it up |
| 18:16.51 | JeffM2501 | it won't let me login, or mail me info |
| 18:16.59 | Gnurdux | agh |
| 18:17.05 | Gnurdux | it probably should be killed and remade |
| 18:17.06 | brlcad | and he's a fan of his own wiki |
| 18:17.26 | Gnurdux | since when has it been maintained? |
| 18:17.53 | JeffM2501 | some people do |
| 18:18.05 | JeffM2501 | ahh got it, by using my new ISP mail :) |
| 18:18.59 | JeffM2501 | somone took some "liberties" with the aproval status of some of the flag ideas |
| 18:19.17 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:19.31 | brlcad | it should be logged who it was |
| 18:19.35 | brlcad | at least by username |
| 18:19.43 | JeffM2501 | oh I'm sure I know who it was |
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| 18:20.13 | brlcad | ooh, we could tie mediawiki's auth to the phpbb db and make things even more intertwined |
| 18:20.32 | findlay | ~shoot TimRiker |
| 18:20.33 | ibot | ACTION shoots TimRiker in the foot with a glue gun! |
| 18:20.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah but at least it would make sense to an end user |
| 18:21.01 | brlcad | that's true |
| 18:21.24 | brlcad | and not so different even if it weren't phpbb's db and some other centralized system |
| 18:21.34 | brlcad | it's more just dealing with phpbb |
| 18:21.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
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| 18:26.08 | findlay | ~shoot me |
| 18:26.09 | ibot | ACTION shoots findlay in the head with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 18:26.15 | findlay | heh |
| 18:27.03 | JeffM2501 | hmmm wonder if excell will read an HTML table for editing |
| 18:28.05 | Erroneous | yeah, it should |
| 18:45.09 | blast007 | (we could also write our own wiki system) |
| 18:45.28 | blast007 | I already have the start of one using PEAR's wiki stuff |
| 18:45.42 | JeffM2501 | what is wrong with media wiki? |
| 18:46.28 | blast007 | it's big ;) |
| 18:46.59 | blast007 | though I suppose nothing is really wrong with it |
| 18:47.12 | blast007 | I just like writing things from scratch |
| 18:51.36 | Gnurdux | mediawiki is cool |
| 18:51.46 | Gnurdux | and it looks nice |
| 18:51.51 | blast007 | I do like the history feature of mediawiki |
| 18:51.59 | Gnurdux | is it possible to theme it/ |
| 18:52.12 | Gnurdux | don't all decent wiki softwares have history? |
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| 18:54.14 | blast007 | Gnurdux: well, media wiki allows you to do diffs between versions |
| 18:54.46 | Gnurdux | ohh |
| 18:54.55 | blast007 | our current wiki, at least from a regular user's point of view, only shows the last revision |
| 18:55.01 | Gnurdux | once i set up a wiki for one, the one i used stored revisions as diffs |
| 18:55.19 | Gnurdux | and it displayed the diff of each revision in the history |
| 18:55.35 | Gnurdux | it didn't have a functionality between 2 versions thta arent next to each other tho |
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| 19:13.05 | JeffM2501 | so.... many.... stupid... flag...ideas |
| 19:13.32 | SpazzyMcGee | heh. so many stupid suggestions in general |
| 19:14.40 | the_enemy | I want the InvinciCloakStealthSuperGuidedRapidFireWave flag. As long as no-one else can have it. |
| 19:15.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's the second most sugested flag |
| 19:15.40 | Birdie | and the most suggested is stealth, cloacking and steamroller in one?:) |
| 19:15.53 | findlay | ~shoot flags |
| 19:15.55 | ibot | ACTION shoots flags in the foot with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 19:17.45 | JeffM2501 | many of them are just people trying to fit a flag effect to a clever name |
| 19:20.01 | the_enemy | so what's the first most suggested? i see a few candidates |
| 19:20.22 | JeffM2501 | GM killers |
| 19:21.34 | the_enemy | The Missile Jammer flag presumably. Isn't that called ST? :) |
| 19:22.05 | SpazzyMcGee | shots that fire a mini-shockwave when they hit something? |
| 19:22.10 | SpazzyMcGee | i hear that often |
| 19:22.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:22.38 | JeffM2501 | I made some mods to some flag descriptions |
| 19:22.47 | JeffM2501 | like I could see a flag that prevents a lock on you |
| 19:22.55 | JeffM2501 | but you can still be killed if the aim the GM shot |
| 19:22.57 | the_enemy | unlike most of the flag ideas, that concept has a decent basis in reality at least |
| 19:23.29 | the_enemy | so it's ST that can be seen on radar :) |
| 19:25.20 | SpazzyMcGee | though, i do think mines could work out quite well, if they were done well. |
| 19:25.22 | JeffM2501 | they don't |
| 19:25.29 | SpazzyMcGee | really? |
| 19:25.32 | JeffM2501 | ether you can see them and they are easy to avoid |
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| 19:25.38 | JeffM2501 | or you can't see them and people randomly blow up |
| 19:25.59 | JeffM2501 | we don't do "splash damage" so it realy limits what they can do |
| 19:26.09 | SpazzyMcGee | fair enough. |
| 19:26.30 | CBG | If radars are visible on radar, not out the screen, a lot of noobs'd be blown up but no pros. |
| 19:26.39 | Gnurdux | mines could sort of be done as a plugin |
| 19:27.03 | blast007 | in Descent 2, there was a Guided Missile that you actually controlled :) |
| 19:27.10 | Gnurdux | something that makes an SW when someone steps on it |
| 19:27.25 | blast007 | though bz is too fast paced for that sort of thing |
| 19:27.31 | CBG | Theme97 already did, kind of. |
| 19:27.33 | CBG | He wrote a plugin that fired off a SW anytime a specific flag was grabbed. |
| 19:27.42 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 19:27.52 | Gnurdux | a plugin CAN check the player position |
| 19:28.10 | Gnurdux | so something that, on tick events randomly decides whether or not to kill people who are near a mine |
| 19:30.19 | the_enemy | I disagree that mines wouldn't be good if you could see them and avoid them. I don't think they'd be that easy to avoid on plenty of maps. Just an opinion though. |
| 19:30.34 | Gnurdux | true |
| 19:31.21 | Gnurdux | what i think would be awesome is if shot end events were given to a plugin; then ALL shots could explode on contact if you coded it |
| 19:32.05 | blast007 | Gnurdux: does the server even know where the shots end? |
| 19:32.38 | Gnurdux | oh good point |
| 19:32.38 | JeffM2501 | the lag on that would suck |
| 19:32.47 | Gnurdux | true also |
| 19:32.50 | JeffM2501 | be better to have it be part of the shot descriptor |
| 19:47.23 | JeffM2501 | there, updated :) |
| 19:47.28 | JeffM2501 | and resorted |
| 19:48.48 | JeffM2501 | it probably need some HTML lovin tho |
| 19:50.22 | JeffM2501 | 138 rejected flags too |
| 19:54.36 | Gnurdux | 138?!? |
| 19:54.40 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 19:58.01 | findlay | nice |
| 19:58.10 | findlay | everybody's got their favorite flag idea |
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| 20:44.45 | CBG | Two penny sweets, perhaps. |
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| 21:02.03 | SpazzyMcGee | list server? |
| 21:02.09 | CBG | ~bzflist |
| 21:02.21 | CBG | yep. down. |
| 21:05.44 | CBG | Seems to be back now, SpazzyMcGee. |
| 21:05.47 | findlay | ~shoot down |
| 21:05.55 | ibot | ACTION shoots down in the eye with a phase pistol! |
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| 21:19.05 | CBG | ~karma SpazzyMcGee |
| 21:19.05 | ibot | spazzymcgee has karma of 7 |
| 21:19.10 | CBG | ~SpazzyMcGee++ |
| 21:19.13 | CBG | ~karma SpazzyMcGee |
| 21:19.13 | ibot | spazzymcgee has karma of 8 |
| 21:20.16 | CBG | ~karma SportChick |
| 21:20.16 | ibot | sportchick has karma of 420 |
| 21:20.19 | CBG | ~karma CBG |
| 21:20.19 | ibot | cbg has karma of -397 |
| 21:20.24 | PuMpErNiCkLe | bahaha |
| 21:20.40 | blast007 | ~CBG++ |
| 21:20.45 | CBG | Oi! |
| 21:21.06 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ~CBG=CBG+3 |
| 21:21.12 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ~karma CBG |
| 21:21.12 | ibot | cbg has karma of -398 |
| 21:21.27 | blast007 | ~CBG+=398 |
| 21:21.30 | CBG | PuMpErNiCkLe: can't do fancy stuff like that, just + or - 1. |
| 21:21.54 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Yeh |
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| 21:36.39 | JeffM2501 | neverwinter nights 2, if any store would have it |
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| 21:49.34 | Pimpi | ~bzflist |
| 21:51.05 | Pimpi | brlcad, JeffM2501, TimRiker, purple_cow , whoever |
| 21:51.18 | CBG | It's just very slow... |
| 21:51.25 | Pimpi | ic |
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| 21:57.57 | JeffM2501 | it happens |
| 21:58.01 | JeffM2501 | not much we can do |
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| 22:25.02 | Pimpi | JeffM2501: sure, just tought you should knoe |
| 22:25.06 | Pimpi | know |
| 22:26.21 | [NP]Tangent | funny. now that I'm not using Ubuntu anymore, and I'm using SuSE instead. bzflag compiles right. |
| 22:28.25 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Were you on Edgy, or Dapper? |
| 22:34.14 | hardwire | I have been searching on and off for two days |
| 22:34.20 | hardwire | where is the blender bzflag plugin? |
| 22:40.11 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I have a copy. If you have someplace I could host it, I could give it to you. |
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| 22:41.43 | TimRiker | PuMpErNiCkLe: is that something that should go in cvs? |
| 22:42.26 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 22:42.59 | PuMpErNiCkLe | That would make sense. |
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| 22:50.35 | PuMpErNiCkLe | http://www.filefactory.com/file/4b41c4/ |
| 22:50.40 | PuMpErNiCkLe | That should be it. |
| 22:51.08 | PuMpErNiCkLe | md5sum 342e6b3d13b5ab138eff53adcf6039a7 |
| 22:52.11 | JeffM2501 | is that THE bender plugin? the one from tepic? |
| 22:53.16 | JeffM2501 | he set up an entire website for it IIRC |
| 22:53.18 | hardwire | thats whats I am looking fer.. tepic's |
| 22:53.23 | JeffM2501 | http://wiki.teppic.homelinux.net/index.php/Main_Page |
| 22:53.27 | hardwire | well its cloaked to google |
| 22:53.45 | JeffM2501 | there is a full sticky thread on it in bzbb as well |
| 22:53.46 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Hm, an official site would be better. :> |
| 22:54.03 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5862&sid=9b25b151b2f5ed890c2da934eba7b4f2 |
| 22:54.03 | hardwire | JeffM2501: it should be in the wiki |
| 22:54.18 | JeffM2501 | hardwire, it's a wiki, put it in ;) |
| 22:54.27 | hardwire | but when I search blender.. its not in the wiki |
| 22:54.33 | hardwire | its a blender plugin.. right? |
| 22:54.43 | JeffM2501 | the bflag wiki is not updated often or used much |
| 22:54.46 | JeffM2501 | yes it's a blender plugin |
| 22:54.47 | hardwire | weird |
| 22:54.51 | hardwire | well |
| 22:54.56 | hardwire | enough of me.. I will install it and play |
| 22:55.04 | JeffM2501 | the wiki software the bz one uses, is just too much of a pain to use |
| 22:55.40 | JeffM2501 | everyone is used to media wiki now |
| 22:57.13 | hardwire | yeh |
| 22:57.18 | hardwire | with its search on the side of the page |
| 22:57.19 | hardwire | hehe |
| 22:57.20 | hardwire | bbl |
| 22:57.50 | JeffM2501 | I think the wikipedia page on BZ has more info about the game then the bzflag wiki page :) |
| 22:58.08 | Erroneous | the wikipedia page is too big |
| 22:58.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah for an overview |
| 22:58.24 | JeffM2501 | it should be broken up |
| 22:58.47 | JeffM2501 | tho personaly I don't mind long articles if they do provide lots of info |
| 22:58.50 | JeffM2501 | go read the one on superman :) |
| 22:59.00 | Erroneous | also overdone, imho |
| 22:59.08 | Erroneous | wikipedia is way too heavy on pop culture |
| 22:59.10 | Erroneous | again imho :) |
| 22:59.25 | JeffM2501 | that's where I go to learn about pop culture |
| 22:59.36 | JeffM2501 | I'd never be able to keep up on the comics wiht out it |
| 22:59.42 | Erroneous | it is useful sometimes for that reason |
| 23:01.01 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:01.39 | JeffM2501 | it is true it may contain too much info, but for me they make it so easy to navigate that it's not an overload for me |
| 23:01.42 | JeffM2501 | so I like it |
| 23:04.45 | hardwire | wow |
| 23:04.54 | hardwire | JeffM2501: did you do the comments for the flaglist ideas on the wiki? |
| 23:04.55 | PuMpErNiCkLe | It's good at that. When the most annoying thing I notice is that the URLs have a non-intuitive capitalization pattern, it's cool. |
| 23:04.57 | hardwire | I love it |
| 23:04.57 | hardwire | NO |
| 23:04.58 | hardwire | NO |
| 23:04.58 | hardwire | NO |
| 23:05.00 | hardwire | NEVER |
| 23:05.00 | hardwire | NO |
| 23:05.02 | hardwire | NSFW! |
| 23:05.12 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ...what? |
| 23:05.18 | CBG | Uhh... pardon? |
| 23:05.27 | hardwire | http://bzflag.com/wiki/FlagList |
| 23:05.29 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:05.41 | hardwire | just a huge list of busted ideas |
| 23:05.45 | hardwire | its really a very very sad page |
| 23:05.51 | hardwire | like watching an angel cry.. |
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| 23:07.26 | Linuxx0r | Hi |
| 23:07.32 | hardwire | zup |
| 23:07.39 | hardwire | this coffee is making me all hot |
| 23:08.11 | JeffM2501 | yes I went and updated it |
| 23:08.19 | JeffM2501 | a lot of them were allready rejected |
| 23:08.34 | JeffM2501 | but yeah, 138 rejected ideas |
| 23:08.51 | JeffM2501 | I approved a couple |
| 23:09.10 | JeffM2501 | Don't Stop, that's a good one |
| 23:09.17 | JeffM2501 | Extra Shot |
| 23:09.21 | JeffM2501 | that's a realy good one I think |
| 23:09.28 | hardwire | you like suttle |
| 23:09.34 | hardwire | I like.. fantastic |
| 23:09.34 | CBG | subtle* |
| 23:09.39 | hardwire | subtitled |
| 23:09.40 | Linuxx0r | whats the Link to the page with ideas? |
| 23:09.44 | Erroneous | problem with extra shot is that it's hard ;) |
| 23:10.10 | hardwire | http://bzflag.com/wiki/FlagList |
| 23:10.10 | JeffM2501 | erronius, not in the playground version where I yoinked shot slots |
| 23:10.17 | Linuxx0r | thx |
| 23:10.22 | JeffM2501 | we realy have to get rid of slots for a number of reasons |
| 23:10.26 | Erroneous | yeah, but were you ever actually able to *play*? :) |
| 23:10.29 | Erroneous | yeah we do |
| 23:10.34 | Erroneous | I wasn't saying we don't |
| 23:10.37 | hardwire | its hard? |
| 23:10.38 | Erroneous | but it's hard :) |
| 23:10.39 | JeffM2501 | for certan values of play.. sure |
| 23:10.39 | Linuxx0r | I've got an Idea too |
| 23:10.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah it wans't easy |
| 23:10.45 | hardwire | Linuxx0r: shoot1 |
| 23:10.46 | hardwire | ! |
| 23:11.04 | JeffM2501 | I didn't approve them on there implementation, just on how they would fit into "the vission" |
| 23:11.12 | Erroneous | and rightly so |
| 23:11.17 | JeffM2501 | I figured that was the most fair way |
| 23:11.20 | Linuxx0r | maybe a flag to watch through buildings |
| 23:11.40 | hardwire | JeffM2501: fly swatter? |
| 23:11.42 | JeffM2501 | I liked low gravity |
| 23:11.45 | hardwire | that got approved? |
| 23:11.52 | JeffM2501 | tim approved that one |
| 23:11.57 | hardwire | tim must have bug issues |
| 23:12.01 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:12.07 | hardwire | temporary shield sounds better |
| 23:12.15 | JeffM2501 | it would be one of the only flags to block shots, so thats kinda cool |
| 23:12.26 | JeffM2501 | but yeah, it's kinda lame |
| 23:12.27 | hardwire | but its a neat idea.. you run in with that flag.. swat swat swat.. drop flag and kill |
| 23:12.31 | Linuxx0r | low gravity as a good or a bad flag? |
| 23:12.46 | hardwire | good |
| 23:12.57 | hardwire | I wanted to make a fizzy lifter bubble drink flag |
| 23:12.58 | Birdie | blocking shots? so when people shoot bullets at you the bullets bounce back? |
| 23:13.01 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to see extra shot, low gravity, slow mo, and the sensor echo ones done for 2.2 |
| 23:13.03 | hardwire | which was bad |
| 23:13.30 | JeffM2501 | longshot is a nice one too |
| 23:13.42 | JeffM2501 | cow launcher.. not so much |
| 23:13.58 | JeffM2501 | same for the harry potter one |
| 23:14.29 | hardwire | speaking of long shot |
| 23:14.35 | hardwire | everybody wants sniper to be laser only |
| 23:14.48 | hardwire | I was hoping to make a sniper flag that initially guided like GM |
| 23:14.50 | Linuxx0r | yeah sensor echo seems to be a good idea |
| 23:14.53 | JeffM2501 | it is the shot type that makes snese |
| 23:15.08 | hardwire | but just went a bit faster than normal |
| 23:15.24 | hardwire | that way you lock on to a target and fire and a faster bullet approaches that person |
| 23:15.24 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, you want one that is hard to do.. the one that moves buildings.... |
| 23:15.34 | hardwire | but its one shot only |
| 23:15.37 | Erroneous | we need movable buildings too |
| 23:15.41 | Erroneous | escalators and stuff :) |
| 23:15.42 | JeffM2501 | that's hard ;) |
| 23:15.43 | hardwire | Erroneous: that would be neat |
| 23:15.54 | Erroneous | I didn't say it wasn't hard :) |
| 23:15.57 | hardwire | Erroneous: I sorta wanna set up a map with some las vegas like world weapons |
| 23:16.00 | Erroneous | lost of stuff we need is hard :) |
| 23:16.08 | hardwire | lasers firing up into the air from a large waterfall area :) |
| 23:16.12 | Erroneous | s/st/ts/ |
| 23:16.19 | JeffM2501 | aww look Erroneous is on the phone list now :) |
| 23:16.23 | Erroneous | yay |
| 23:16.36 | hardwire | must work |
| 23:16.54 | hardwire | JeffM2501: so a sniper bullet that does an initial lock on identified tanks .. probably not going to fly eh |
| 23:17.04 | JeffM2501 | be a bit complex |
| 23:17.09 | hardwire | its just like GM! |
| 23:17.15 | JeffM2501 | also we don't have any flags that have built in shot limits |
| 23:17.17 | hardwire | only it doesnt G.. or M.. |
| 23:17.24 | JeffM2501 | well it is guided |
| 23:17.27 | hardwire | once |
| 23:17.28 | JeffM2501 | so it's GB |
| 23:17.30 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:17.35 | JeffM2501 | thats where it gets complex :) |
| 23:17.41 | hardwire | ah |
| 23:17.49 | hardwire | yes |
| 23:17.50 | JeffM2501 | it's not the worst flag idea I've heard tho |
| 23:18.00 | JeffM2501 | maybe give it a long reload |
| 23:18.06 | hardwire | I can see how it would be in the GM strategy.. but require the other strategy as well |
| 23:18.13 | hardwire | is that what you mean? |
| 23:18.25 | JeffM2501 | I just mean in explaining it to players |
| 23:18.27 | hardwire | JeffM2501: making it a bit quicker with a long reload would be pimp |
| 23:18.44 | Erroneous | draw rico liines on radar and leading/tracking boxes on player tanks |
| 23:18.59 | hardwire | JeffM2501: "Sniper: be a squatter" |
| 23:19.03 | hardwire | not that hard to explain |
| 23:19.05 | hardwire | :) |
| 23:19.31 | hardwire | heh.. I would love the bullet slow down flag.. but you would kill yourself instantly |
| 23:19.32 | Birdie | i kinda liked the autoreport one |
| 23:19.39 | Birdie | but it would suck in a ctf game |
| 23:19.42 | hardwire | it would be so fun to have a super slow shockwave |
| 23:19.48 | JeffM2501 | we do a poor job explaining the flags now :) |
| 23:19.50 | hardwire | but thats another flag in itself |
| 23:19.57 | hardwire | JeffM2501: do you need internationalization :) |
| 23:20.01 | JeffM2501 | you can change the SW speed as a parmater |
| 23:20.05 | JeffM2501 | hardwire, we have them. |
| 23:20.22 | hardwire | meh |
| 23:20.24 | hardwire | I should be working |
| 23:20.33 | Erroneous | as long as you don't exceed the latin aphabet anyway |
| 23:20.42 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 23:20.58 | hardwire | one of my users turned on the narrator function in windows and is freaking out |
| 23:21.02 | JeffM2501 | PZ isn't one of the well explained flags |
| 23:21.13 | JeffM2501 | as well as one of the complex ones, and it is not very popular |
| 23:21.20 | Erroneous | pz is pretty ovbious when you start playing with it |
| 23:21.21 | JeffM2501 | if we had some better lockon graphics |
| 23:21.23 | hardwire | some things are better explained as they happen |
| 23:21.25 | Erroneous | people are too afraid to experiment |
| 23:21.28 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, yeah after you play with it |
| 23:21.37 | JeffM2501 | I just mean when you pick it up :) |
| 23:21.37 | hardwire | JeffM2501: I was thinking about that a bit |
| 23:21.55 | hardwire | JeffM2501: making a three blink outline of the tank would be cool |
| 23:21.57 | JeffM2501 | the more visual cues we give at pickup the better it is |
| 23:22.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:22.04 | Erroneous | I'd love to see a bigass section of your tutorial thing explain strategies with and against each flag |
| 23:22.06 | JeffM2501 | as well as draw the lockon ring |
| 23:22.08 | hardwire | just render a larger tank behind the locked on one |
| 23:22.20 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, indeed |
| 23:22.20 | hardwire | all nice and big and red |
| 23:22.24 | Erroneous | so people don't have to be ignorant :) |
| 23:22.25 | JeffM2501 | hardwire, I had a version that did a hud like overlay |
| 23:22.33 | hardwire | JeffM2501: you mean you cheated? |
| 23:22.35 | JeffM2501 | for your nemisis and your flag |
| 23:22.42 | JeffM2501 | hardwire, no it was incompatable |
| 23:22.44 | hardwire | :) |
| 23:22.51 | JeffM2501 | dev work for new version |
| 23:22.55 | JeffM2501 | so everyone had it :) |
| 23:23.01 | blast007 | hardwire: Jeff doesn't play except for testing, so how can he cheat? ;) |
| 23:23.08 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:23.09 | Erroneous | ~blast007++ |
| 23:23.21 | JeffM2501 | it was prety slick for the flag markers |
| 23:23.21 | hardwire | JeffM2501: was it a real outline or where you rendering a full model behind the existing one like lots of games do |
| 23:23.32 | JeffM2501 | hardwire, it wasn't an outline |
| 23:23.34 | Erroneous | I sure got some heat for using reload timers before .4 was released though :) |
| 23:23.36 | JeffM2501 | it was an overlay |
| 23:23.41 | hardwire | explain |
| 23:23.42 | JeffM2501 | like the lockon marker on a fighter hud |
| 23:23.45 | hardwire | oooh |
| 23:23.46 | hardwire | haha |
| 23:23.47 | JeffM2501 | colored triangle |
| 23:23.54 | hardwire | vwerp vwerp vwerp.. capn we have a lock |
| 23:23.58 | JeffM2501 | eactly |
| 23:24.11 | JeffM2501 | if it was off the screen it'd show you what edge to turn to |
| 23:24.12 | hardwire | follow bubbles on the hud would be cool |
| 23:24.26 | hardwire | so when you turn they adjust to give you a good idea of where bullets are going |
| 23:24.43 | JeffM2501 | that was the version wiht out the mousebox too |
| 23:24.55 | hardwire | like I said.. i should be working |
| 23:25.03 | hardwire | i had coffee and now I want to play video games |
| 23:25.24 | hardwire | say if you make GB.. an you put "(C) Shane Spencer" in the description? |
| 23:25.28 | Erroneous | mm, these are nice benchmarks...radeon 9800 gets its butt kicked by a geforce2... |
| 23:25.28 | hardwire | :) |
| 23:25.50 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, the ATI 9x000 drivers suck for lists |
| 23:26.01 | JeffM2501 | and suck hard |
| 23:26.10 | Erroneous | display lists is off |
| 23:26.21 | JeffM2501 | exactly ;) |
| 23:26.35 | JeffM2501 | they suck a lots of geo |
| 23:26.42 | JeffM2501 | they suck a vertex buffers |
| 23:26.48 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 23:27.02 | JeffM2501 | many hoops were gone thru just to get them to work |
| 23:27.17 | JeffM2501 | they are realy optimised for textures |
| 23:27.19 | JeffM2501 | not geo |
| 23:27.21 | Erroneous | they don't work real well either :) |
| 23:27.45 | Linuxx0r | if I want to implement a new flag, shall I do that on the newest cvs version or on the current stable? |
| 23:27.54 | JeffM2501 | HA, found an app that was linked against the old SGI software openGL implemnation |
| 23:28.02 | JeffM2501 | Linuxx0r, cvs |
| 23:28.10 | Linuxx0r | okay thx |
| 23:28.11 | JeffM2501 | then bump proto when your done |
| 23:28.16 | Erroneous | stable is, um, stable...no proto changes |
| 23:28.19 | JeffM2501 | stable is compatable |
| 23:28.31 | hardwire | Linuxx0r: what are you going for/ |
| 23:28.36 | hardwire | ? |
| 23:28.43 | Linuxx0r | dunno |
| 23:28.46 | hardwire | :) |
| 23:28.51 | Linuxx0r | but maybe in the future |
| 23:28.52 | hardwire | the dunno flag |
| 23:28.53 | hardwire | interesting |
| 23:28.56 | Linuxx0r | :P |
| 23:29.00 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:29.16 | Erroneous | that'd be fun...acts like a random flag which changes every 30 seconds |
| 23:29.19 | hardwire | the concept of the Neo flag is fading now that I have looked over the code more and more |
| 23:29.56 | hardwire | I had thought a bit more on how to manage it. but its quite painfull |
| 23:30.31 | hardwire | its doable.. but only as a POO that updates its position every few hundres ms |
| 23:30.40 | hardwire | and synced via BZDB |
| 23:30.59 | hardwire | Erroneous: hah |
| 23:31.06 | hardwire | Erroneous: implementing that flag would be hell |
| 23:31.11 | Erroneous | not really |
| 23:31.25 | hardwire | blast007: mind your own beeswax |
| 23:31.27 | hardwire | :) |
| 23:31.28 | Erroneous | bzdb is expensive |
| 23:31.39 | blast007 | ;) |
| 23:31.40 | hardwire | its about the only way I could think of implementing it |
| 23:31.46 | hardwire | which sucked |
| 23:31.54 | Erroneous | then you did not think hard enough |
| 23:32.02 | Erroneous | you can always create new net messages |
| 23:32.07 | hardwire | meh! |
| 23:32.19 | hardwire | how is time synced inbetween clients |
| 23:32.26 | hardwire | that would help a bunch to know.. |
| 23:32.37 | Erroneous | it's not |
| 23:32.42 | hardwire | then I could implement "in the future.. trigger at this time" |
| 23:32.50 | hardwire | hmm |
| 23:32.57 | hardwire | maybe it needs a pseudo NTP sync :) |
| 23:33.09 | hardwire | for completely useless reasons |
| 23:34.07 | hardwire | network gaming protocols are so.. optimistic |
| 23:34.15 | hardwire | I have no idea how you guys even got things working as they are now |
| 23:34.31 | Erroneous | working? now THAT'S optimistic ;) |
| 23:34.56 | blast007 | :D |
| 23:34.58 | hardwire | I keep thinking its a little like marvin the robot.. "I don't know.. figure it out yourself" kinda attitude |
| 23:35.14 | Erroneous | and the LAST thing you should think is that bzflag has a "typical" network gaming protocol :) |
| 23:35.23 | hardwire | or even a "why do you even bother playing this stupid game" feeling |
| 23:36.59 | JeffM2501 | our proto is in a textbook under "don't do this" |
| 23:37.13 | Erroneous | totally |
| 23:37.24 | JeffM2501 | "common problems when porting lan games" |
| 23:37.41 | Erroneous | "why not to evolve a lan protocol into an internet protocol over the course of 15 years" |
| 23:37.58 | JeffM2501 | "internet playes, why they are bastards" |
| 23:38.40 | Erroneous | "why the 'just beat them up' method of social cheat enforcement does not work on the internet" |
| 23:38.49 | brlcad | eww.. bzdb for state management? |
| 23:39.06 | JeffM2501 | the first person to invent a way to stab somone ver the net.. will be rich |
| 23:39.11 | Erroneous | oh yeah |
| 23:39.19 | brlcad | that's worse than stashing pointers into it |
| 23:39.34 | JeffM2501 | bzbb should not be used for time senstive data |
| 23:39.40 | Erroneous | brlcad: I know someone who is guilty of that... ;) |
| 23:39.43 | JeffM2501 | it's the only cool thing in the network proto :) |
| 23:39.50 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:40.40 | JeffM2501 | tho if we changed to raknet we could implement it with there network synced classes, and make it realy slick :) |
| 23:40.58 | Gnurdux | brlcad: you wrote the poll thing? |
| 23:41.00 | Erroneous | that also would be hard :) |
| 23:41.01 | Gnurdux | ewwwwww YUCK |
| 23:41.12 | Gnurdux | that thing is icky |
| 23:41.14 | brlcad | i finally found a machine that'd install Zeta.. have to give bzflag a compile-whirl sometime now.. viva la beos! |
| 23:41.24 | JeffM2501 | raknet is cool |
| 23:41.26 | Erroneous | woot! beos! |
| 23:43.53 | Linuxx0r | I think I've found something I could do |
| 23:44.35 | Linuxx0r | as i am german, i could refine the german locale-setting from the GUI-settings menu |
| 23:45.23 | Erroneous | german is actually one of our better-maintained locales. I think ts was working on it recently, you may want to speak to him, to avoid duplicating effort. |
| 23:46.28 | Linuxx0r | who is ts? |
| 23:46.37 | Erroneous | toughshooter |
| 23:46.50 | Linuxx0r | okay |
| 23:46.53 | Erroneous | I do not think he is here right now |
| 23:47.34 | Linuxx0r | when I see him, i will talk to him |
| 23:48.53 | Linuxx0r | which one is the file with the locales? |
| 23:54.24 | [NP]Tangent | is the list server slow today? |