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| 01:46.27 | JeffM2501 | and the laser mouse gets put back in the package to be returned |
| 01:46.32 | JeffM2501 | worst mouse EVER |
| 01:46.35 | tannerld | heh |
| 01:46.43 | CBG | what mouse is this? |
| 01:46.55 | JeffM2501 | MS laser mouse 6000 |
| 01:47.03 | CBG | MS... waht'd you expect? |
| 01:47.15 | JeffM2501 | it work as well as the 5 year old MS mouse that it replaces |
| 01:47.27 | JeffM2501 | all my other mice are MS mice and they work well |
| 01:47.29 | tannerld | lol |
| 01:47.33 | JeffM2501 | MS actualy makes good hardware |
| 01:47.45 | purple_cow | MX1k ftw |
| 01:49.08 | JeffM2501 | it have 2 side buttons |
| 01:49.25 | JeffM2501 | one on each side? |
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| 02:13.33 | JeffM2501 | I was fine with my intelimouse optical |
| 02:13.45 | JeffM2501 | but the main button has gone all not so clicky |
| 02:13.56 | JeffM2501 | it's just done worn out |
| 02:14.01 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:14.15 | JeffM2501 | it's like one of the first opticals made |
| 02:14.42 | JeffM2501 | the laser one was also one of the few I coudl find that didn't have a "tilt" wheel |
| 02:14.42 | blast007 | the main thing I hate about a lot of the new mice is the lack of tactile feedback in the mouse wheels |
| 02:14.46 | JeffM2501 | or some other whackass button |
| 02:14.58 | JeffM2501 | what do i need an "application switcher" button for? |
| 02:15.03 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:15.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah they are all gummy |
| 02:15.33 | JeffM2501 | my requirements are, 5 buttons and opticalness |
| 02:15.51 | JeffM2501 | and the 2 bonus buttons have to be on each side |
| 02:16.05 | blast007 | when I switch weapons, I want to know that I picked the one that is two slots away |
| 02:16.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:16.45 | blast007 | and also a lot of them I tried, both optical and laser, didn't handle well on some surfaces |
| 02:16.50 | blast007 | they jumped |
| 02:16.59 | blast007 | one of which was a $80 mouse |
| 02:17.27 | blast007 | and yet, my $30 Microsoft wireless optical travel mouse handled them fine |
| 02:19.35 | JeffM2501 | I'm taking this one back cus it just stops repponding |
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| 14:42.02 | catay | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9242 <--- SPAM i think |
| 14:42.40 | Birdie | just the wrong place on the forum:) |
| 14:42.58 | Birdie | although hmm maybe spam to |
| 14:43.13 | catay | hard to tell :p |
| 14:43.57 | Birdie | he putted it so nicely:) |
| 14:44.02 | catay | but I think it is spam in disguisse :p |
| 15:06.03 | CBG | It's spam, but it's now spam that everyone here will see... |
| 15:07.06 | catay | that's entirely up to yourself ;) |
| 15:08.32 | CBG | ...? No need to spam the spam link, is what I'm saying. |
| 15:10.04 | A-Delusion | Purple Panzer's Ionian Pathways server started, with shotsKeepVerticalVelocity. Port 4605 |
| 15:11.05 | catay | CBG: I cleary mentioned it was spam, if you click on it .. it's your choice |
| 15:12.26 | A-Delusion | Is it "legal" to switch on autopilot, when going against a player using OO? |
| 15:12.28 | Birdie | and cbg is the one that gives here links the most telling there is spam |
| 15:13.26 | CBG | I don't give links here. |
| 15:13.33 | CBG | Don't lie, Birdie. |
| 15:13.45 | Birdie | i dont |
| 15:16.17 | CBG | Tell me the last time I paste a spam link here... |
| 15:16.23 | CBG | Today? No. |
| 15:16.26 | CBG | Yesterday? No. |
| 15:16.30 | CBG | In the last week? No. |
| 15:17.06 | CBG | There are only a few here who can do anything about it, seems stupid to tell everyone instead of just one or two. |
| 15:17.11 | CBG | /msg was invented for a reason. |
| 15:18.09 | catay | accussing others from what you do all the time thats what you are best in |
| 15:18.18 | Birdie | and i agree with catay there |
| 15:18.28 | Birdie | if you want to act like a jerk cbg, go somewhere else |
| 15:18.37 | catay | I just tried to help |
| 15:19.18 | CBG | ... |
| 15:19.36 | CBG | I just said that I thought spamming the spam link was a bad idea. |
| 15:19.59 | CBG | I see catay has to bring other things into it, because he knows I am right? |
| 15:20.57 | A-Delusion | stop arguing |
| 15:21.36 | Birdie | ~A-Delusion++ |
| 15:21.48 | a_meteorite | ~CBG-- |
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| 15:26.46 | A-Delusion | Purple Panzer's Ionian Pathways server started, with shotsKeepVerticalVelocity. Port 4605 |
| 15:27.00 | a_meteorite | ... spam? |
| 15:27.12 | A-Delusion | just trying to change the subject |
| 15:27.15 | a_meteorite | :\ |
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| 15:46.47 | A-Delusion | Is it "legal" to switch on autopilot, when going against a player using OO? |
| 15:47.03 | a_meteorite | Why would it not be "legal", it's a server owner's decision. |
| 15:47.18 | a_meteorite | Ethical? Probably not. |
| 15:47.23 | A-Delusion | I guess you just use every weapon at your disposal |
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| 15:47.59 | spldart | Is head currently broken in a way that bzadmin will not connect to bzfs? |
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| 18:04.04 | ocmongoose | hello? |
| 18:04.27 | ocmongoose | anyone here? |
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| 18:04.29 | blast007 | yes |
| 18:04.44 | ocmongoose | how do u compile bzflag? |
| 18:05.02 | ocmongoose | like i have the source code but i need to compile it on my mac |
| 18:05.36 | ocmongoose | ? |
| 18:05.43 | blast007 | do you have the dev tools? |
| 18:05.55 | ocmongoose | lol what are those? |
| 18:06.01 | blast007 | there should be a readme file in the source code for OSX |
| 18:07.06 | ocmongoose | k hld on lemme check |
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| 18:08.03 | ocmongoose | ok |
| 18:08.06 | ocmongoose | ummm |
| 18:08.30 | ocmongoose | BZFlag may be built either using the same instructions as those for |
| 18:08.32 | ocmongoose | Unix following ./autogen.sh && ./configure && make, or using the XCode |
| 18:08.34 | ocmongoose | project |
| 18:08.38 | ocmongoose | README for Mac OS X platforms |
| 18:08.40 | ocmongoose | ----------------------------- |
| 18:08.42 | ocmongoose | BZFlag should run rather nicely on Mac OS X. As of BZFlag 2.0, the |
| 18:08.43 | ocmongoose | Mac OS X port of BZFlag is feature-wise complete and equivalent to the |
| 18:08.45 | ocmongoose | other fully-supported platforms. |
| 18:08.46 | ocmongoose | BZFlag may be built either using the same instructions as those for |
| 18:08.47 | blast007 | uh... |
| 18:08.48 | ocmongoose | Unix following ./autogen.sh && ./configure && make, or using the XCode |
| 18:08.50 | ocmongoose | project in the top-level directory to end up with a double-clickable |
| 18:08.51 | ocmongoose | BZFlag.app build. |
| 18:08.52 | blast007 | we don't need to see it |
| 18:08.53 | ocmongoose | See the generic install instructions in README for more details. |
| 18:08.53 | ruskie | why are you flooding that here???!!!??? |
| 18:09.04 | blast007 | it's a readme |
| 18:09.05 | blast007 | read it |
| 18:09.07 | blast007 | don't paste it |
| 18:09.10 | ocmongoose | oh |
| 18:09.12 | blast007 | ;) |
| 18:09.13 | ocmongoose | sorry |
| 18:09.19 | ruskie | :) |
| 18:09.38 | blast007 | You're going to need to find your original disks and find the Developer disk |
| 18:09.42 | blast007 | you have OSX, right? |
| 18:09.46 | ocmongoose | yea |
| 18:09.47 | blast007 | k |
| 18:10.05 | blast007 | the developer disk will install most of the things you need to get the game compiled |
| 18:10.12 | blast007 | is there a reason you need to compile? |
| 18:10.19 | CBG | If you can't find that disk, it is possible to download xcode. |
| 18:10.22 | ocmongoose | i'm trying to learn :P |
| 18:10.29 | ocmongoose | ok |
| 18:10.30 | CBG | But it would be easier to just find the disk... |
| 18:10.40 | blast007 | CBG: is that a rather big download? |
| 18:10.41 | ocmongoose | where would i find that ? |
| 18:11.00 | blast007 | ocmongoose: probably where you put your install disks that came with the computer |
| 18:11.08 | ocmongoose | ok |
| 18:11.10 | ocmongoose | ty |
| 18:11.12 | ocmongoose | :) |
| 18:11.18 | CBG | How the heck do we know where you keep your disks? |
| 18:11.30 | CBG | blast007: not huge... |
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| 18:12.57 | CBG | The version of xcode I downloaded (an older version, for 10.3.9) was 370MB or thereabouts. |
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| 19:35.46 | CSMan | hello =) |
| 19:35.55 | CSMan | how do I set sound to esd? |
| 19:37.42 | blast007 | let me see if my logs will tell me that ;) |
| 19:37.55 | blast007 | CSMan: SDL build? |
| 19:40.31 | CSMan | nope |
| 19:40.38 | CSMan | I'll play through another host |
| 19:40.48 | CSMan | i have ESPEAKER already set |
| 19:41.46 | CSMan | no device option in audio settings o_O |
| 19:43.10 | JeffM2501 | SDL handles the sound |
| 19:43.16 | CSMan | oh ok |
| 19:43.19 | JeffM2501 | make sure your SDL build on the host is set to use esd |
| 19:43.25 | CSMan | I'll have to recompile I guess |
| 19:43.30 | JeffM2501 | probalby not |
| 19:43.40 | JeffM2501 | since SDL handles the sound, it's SDL's deal, not ours |
| 19:43.47 | JeffM2501 | what OS does the "host" run? |
| 19:43.55 | JeffM2501 | and why don't you just play localy? |
| 19:44.00 | JeffM2501 | has to be a lot faster |
| 19:46.15 | CSMan | yeah, the problem is direct rendering |
| 19:46.29 | CSMan | my laptop won't enable sound if I have acpi=on |
| 19:46.51 | CSMan | so I have to turn it off if I want sound, however, this brings a problem with the nvidia card |
| 19:47.04 | JeffM2501 | what drivers do you run? |
| 19:47.14 | CSMan | alsa |
| 19:47.23 | JeffM2501 | no for video |
| 19:47.24 | CSMan | and nv-framebuffer I think |
| 19:47.27 | JeffM2501 | oh god |
| 19:47.34 | JeffM2501 | use the real nvidia ones |
| 19:47.45 | CSMan | did you just read what I typed? |
| 19:47.52 | JeffM2501 | nv != real nvidia |
| 19:48.01 | JeffM2501 | nv == the default ones |
| 19:48.12 | JeffM2501 | you want the one that is named "nvidia" not "nv" |
| 19:48.21 | CSMan | the problem is if I enable sound by setting acpi=off the nvidia module (the real one) won't get its interrupt |
| 19:48.22 | JeffM2501 | it comes from nvidias website |
| 19:48.43 | JeffM2501 | what kinda crap sound driver does that? |
| 19:49.22 | CSMan | one from a vendor that tweaked the standard snd-hda-intel to fit their codec |
| 19:49.46 | JeffM2501 | who made the laptop? |
| 19:49.51 | CSMan | toshiba |
| 19:49.58 | JeffM2501 | that would be why :) |
| 19:50.01 | JeffM2501 | well good luck with it |
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| 19:50.18 | JeffM2501 | are you on a debian system or a debian variant? |
| 19:50.27 | CSMan | no, the problem is with the codec vendor Conexant |
| 19:50.29 | JeffM2501 | cus they have packages for SDLs with difrent sound systems |
| 19:50.37 | CSMan | they won't release any specs for the alsa guys |
| 19:52.40 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 19:53.00 | JeffM2501 | well best of luck |
| 19:53.21 | CSMan | yeah, I'll playback using esd |
| 19:55.18 | spldart | LMG... Fry's |
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| 19:59.46 | CSMan | ok , done. |
| 20:03.35 | spldart | What is this.. 'Real World' of which you speak? |
| 20:03.39 | spldart | heh |
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| 20:14.40 | cosmos | hrm |
| 20:15.10 | spldart | Yes... I am the naughty player on your server... |
| 20:15.31 | cosmos | huh |
| 20:20.08 | ts | ~bzflist |
| 20:24.06 | spldart | ~bzcvs20 |
| 20:25.57 | CBG | ~bz20cvs |
| 20:25.59 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 20:26.07 | spldart | Thank you ibot |
| 20:26.39 | CBG | :/ |
| 20:26.56 | spldart | ;~) |
| 20:27.24 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 20:39.58 | AAA_awright | "http://BZFlag.org is DOWN for 'maintenance', sf.net VHOST problem" I was wondering, is the topic still relavent? |
| 20:41.29 | blast007 | AAA_awright: no ;) |
| 20:41.38 | AAA_awright | Thought so. |
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