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| 04:47.02 | dgrant | anyone want to play ducati-style ctf? |
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| 09:57.16 | LePoulpe303 | hi BZWorld ! |
| 09:57.26 | Eagle246 | hey |
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| 09:58.15 | ibunny | manu manu |
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| 09:58.39 | ibunny | manu manu |
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| 14:51.38 | LePoulpe303 | [dmp]: my program now connects to bzserver :) |
| 15:03.25 | CBG | yay |
| 15:03.34 | CBG | But!! what is it called?! |
| 15:03.37 | CBG | Did you decide on a name? |
| 15:06.19 | ruskie | what does it do? |
| 15:08.00 | CBG | It's a lite-python-bzadmin. |
| 15:12.29 | LePoulpe303 | CBG : lol it will be far easier |
| 15:12.35 | LePoulpe303 | i need 2 things |
| 15:12.39 | LePoulpe303 | - connection |
| 15:12.55 | LePoulpe303 | - retrieve players killed |
| 15:13.00 | LePoulpe303 | step 1 is ok now :) |
| 15:13.05 | CBG | :) |
| 15:14.11 | LePoulpe303 | i make this program 'cause the other day , i was observing gu server and i noticed that a player was hunting noobs and avoiding facing better players |
| 15:14.55 | LePoulpe303 | so i decided to (try to) create something to have a player ranking close from reality |
| 15:16.05 | LePoulpe303 | concerning the name , for the moment it's logged as "TheEye" |
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| 15:55.31 | LePoulpe303 | does anyone knows if declared program name and version is important in bzflag protocol ? |
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| 16:51.13 | Cobra_Fast | hello |
| 16:52.09 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 16:52.14 | Cobra_Fast | i made my own map, and if i want to connect to my (with BZFlag 2.0.2) started server, there is an error |
| 16:52.18 | Cobra_Fast | can you help me? |
| 16:52.30 | JeffM2501 | what is the error? |
| 16:52.34 | JeffM2501 | oh and 2.0.2 |
| 16:52.34 | Cobra_Fast | but if i choose a random-map it works :-S |
| 16:52.36 | JeffM2501 | wow that's old |
| 16:52.47 | Cobra_Fast | 2.08 doenst run on windows 98 se |
| 16:52.52 | JeffM2501 | it should |
| 16:52.58 | Cobra_Fast | but it doesnt |
| 16:53.03 | JeffM2501 | tho we don't realy say we suport it |
| 16:53.07 | JeffM2501 | what is the error? |
| 16:53.10 | Erroneous | what does it do? |
| 16:53.23 | Cobra_Fast | "Error connecting to server" |
| 16:53.24 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: actually we do...95 too |
| 16:53.32 | Erroneous | just a case of outdated docs probably though |
| 16:53.43 | Erroneous | no, what is the error when trying to run 2.0.8 on 98? |
| 16:53.45 | JeffM2501 | well I pulled some of the GL 1.0 code, so maybe 9x dosn't have 1.1 |
| 16:53.50 | Erroneous | it does |
| 16:53.53 | Cobra_Fast | it crashes after 5 minutes |
| 16:53.54 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 16:54.17 | JeffM2501 | when you run the server does it give you any errors? |
| 16:54.24 | JeffM2501 | and do you run with -d -d -d ? |
| 16:54.43 | Cobra_Fast | no, i can try that, but where can i type that??? |
| 16:54.45 | Erroneous | sound like he's launching from ingame |
| 16:54.49 | JeffM2501 | oh in game |
| 16:54.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:54.53 | Erroneous | which, iirc, was broken until 2.0.4... |
| 16:54.54 | Cobra_Fast | yes ingame |
| 16:55.10 | JeffM2501 | you have to run from the msdos prompt to see errors |
| 16:55.12 | JeffM2501 | not in game |
| 16:55.21 | Cobra_Fast | aww |
| 16:55.29 | a_meteorite | just curious, does any version after 2.0.2 work? (2.0.4, 2.0.6) |
| 16:55.31 | JeffM2501 | have you thought about upgrading to some newer OS, like XP? |
| 16:55.37 | Cobra_Fast | i cant handle this prompt |
| 16:56.03 | JeffM2501 | if you are going to be a map maker then you have to be aware of how servers are run in the real world. |
| 16:56.09 | Cobra_Fast | yes i had, its to expensive, most things also run on 98se |
| 16:56.34 | JeffM2501 | we will have less and less support for the 9x stuff |
| 16:56.37 | JeffM2501 | as time goes on |
| 16:56.40 | JeffM2501 | just so you know |
| 16:56.43 | Cobra_Fast | mhh |
| 16:57.05 | Cobra_Fast | just tell me the Prompt |
| 16:57.06 | JeffM2501 | I do know that some versions of libcurl didn't run well on 9x Erroneous some winsock bug |
| 16:57.35 | JeffM2501 | the commandline would be bzfs.exe -world the/path/to/your/map.bzw -d -d -d |
| 16:57.48 | JeffM2501 | and then any other options you want |
| 17:00.20 | Cobra_Fast | if my map is in the "worlds" file in the BZFlag file in "Own Files", have i to give the path? |
| 17:01.04 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:01.06 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 17:01.17 | JeffM2501 | the command line uses the current workind directory |
| 17:01.25 | JeffM2501 | the worlds dir is only for the in game startup |
| 17:01.38 | a_meteorite | I know in Win Xp you can drag the file to the prompt and it'll complete it for you |
| 17:01.49 | JeffM2501 | 9x will not do that |
| 17:01.50 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 17:01.53 | a_meteorite | k |
| 17:02.01 | Cobra_Fast | have i to put it in " (those things, dont know how they are called) ?? |
| 17:02.07 | Cobra_Fast | the world path |
| 17:02.09 | a_meteorite | o |
| 17:02.16 | a_meteorite | *no, you only need -world |
| 17:02.35 | JeffM2501 | if there are spaces in the path name, yes you use quotes |
| 17:02.51 | a_meteorite | oh, I see what he means |
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| 17:05.16 | Cobra_Fast | ok, works, thx |
| 17:06.15 | a_meteorite | lol |
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| 17:08.17 | Erroneous | we shouldn't have any DX9 code, JeffM2501 |
| 17:08.27 | Cobra_Fast | hello again |
| 17:08.39 | a_meteorite | hey |
| 17:08.39 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, I can find reasons :) |
| 17:08.47 | Erroneous | the FF stuff should be newest, and that's dx7 |
| 17:08.52 | JeffM2501 | sound |
| 17:08.53 | Cobra_Fast | how can i allow jumping and ricochet in the command line? |
| 17:08.58 | Erroneous | sound is all dx3 man :) |
| 17:09.02 | a_meteorite | -j +r |
| 17:09.05 | Cobra_Fast | or are this options somewhere listet? |
| 17:09.12 | JeffM2501 | that's the base API, they added more |
| 17:09.31 | JeffM2501 | directMusic! |
| 17:09.31 | Erroneous | we don't use it though |
| 17:09.34 | JeffM2501 | not yet ;) |
| 17:09.36 | a_meteorite | yeah, they're listed online (probably somewhere in the docs too): http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man6/bzfs.6.html |
| 17:09.45 | Erroneous | hm, there would be an advantage to dx8 if you wanted to go for music |
| 17:09.52 | a_meteorite | there are other places, but that's a quick google search :) |
| 17:09.55 | JeffM2501 | the installer should have given you a docs folder with the bzfs manual |
| 17:09.57 | Erroneous | then I could switch to the (nicer) dx8 interface for ff too :) |
| 17:10.10 | Cobra_Fast | thank you |
| 17:14.21 | JeffM2501 | wonder what it takes to get the rumble feature of my gamepad to work |
| 17:15.16 | Erroneous | should just work (tm) |
| 17:15.35 | Erroneous | assuming you have the right drivers installed, and it works like mine ;) |
| 17:15.36 | JeffM2501 | no It dosn't show up as a full FF device |
| 17:15.44 | JeffM2501 | it's like a 1/2 ass rumble thing |
| 17:15.47 | Erroneous | doesn't have to |
| 17:15.59 | Erroneous | mine doesn't either |
| 17:15.59 | JeffM2501 | well none of the DX9 samples could find it |
| 17:16.05 | Erroneous | eww |
| 17:16.08 | JeffM2501 | and I have the drivers from MS |
| 17:16.20 | JeffM2501 | it's one of those Xbox 360 pads for windows |
| 17:16.23 | Erroneous | it's an ms product? |
| 17:16.24 | Erroneous | ah |
| 17:16.27 | Erroneous | hmm |
| 17:16.39 | Erroneous | wierd, wonder if they have a different sdk for it or something |
| 17:17.21 | Erroneous | mine worked with the constant force setting in the sample that lets you set everything |
| 17:18.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:20.38 | JeffM2501 | I have to play with it some more |
| 17:20.44 | JeffM2501 | it's a cool pad |
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| 17:37.57 | CBG | Hmm, it _seem_ my server has vanished from the list, for no reason. |
| 17:38.00 | CBG | ~bzflist |
| 17:38.50 | CBG | Hmm, yes, cbg.bzflag.org:4400 was on the list fine earlier when I joined. I am still there now but its not on the list... |
| 17:38.51 | JeffM2501 | can you get to the page from that machine? |
| 17:39.21 | CBG | the list loads, yes. I'm playing on the server atm |
| 17:39.33 | JeffM2501 | the server is at your house or some other ISP? |
| 17:39.36 | CBG | I've not tampered with any settings either. |
| 17:39.43 | CBG | A dedicated in USA.. |
| 17:39.58 | JeffM2501 | I want to know if from the server, it can get to the list |
| 17:40.16 | JeffM2501 | like log in via terminal, and do a wget of the list URL, see if it responds |
| 17:40.24 | CBG | Ok.. |
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| 17:40.45 | JeffM2501 | cus you seeing the list is a difrent net conection/IP then the server seeing it |
| 17:40.59 | a_meteorite | I'm listing and I'm on the same server (different IP though) |
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| 17:41.09 | a_meteorite | CBG: did you set -i correctly? |
| 17:41.18 | CBG | a_meteorite: it's the old server.. |
| 17:41.23 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 17:41.37 | CBG | Hmm, ahh, I requested earlier that TimRiker change the IP address for cbg.bzflag.org and it seems he has done so.. I guess that's the problem. |
| 17:42.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah if you don't resolve the same it'll poop |
| 17:42.13 | CBG | Figures.. |
| 17:42.28 | JeffM2501 | at least it wasn't too hard to figure out |
| 17:43.53 | CBG | Yeah. my bad... |
| 17:44.19 | JeffM2501 | well it's hard to know when dns updates go thru |
| 17:46.11 | CBG | Or, in fact, when someone will fulfil your email-request. |
| 17:46.28 | JeffM2501 | he's prety good at doing those |
| 17:46.39 | JeffM2501 | I find he checks his email the most relyably |
| 17:46.48 | JeffM2501 | cus he can do that when he has time |
| 17:47.25 | CBG | I believe I sent the email this morning, which has to be night time for you folks. So I wasn't sure when he would do it. |
| 17:48.06 | JeffM2501 | just means he got it when he woke up :0 |
| 17:48.08 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 17:48.23 | CBG | yeah |
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| 17:53.52 | JeffM2501 | CBG, or a_meteorite what is the ISP name of your new host, and how much are you payin for what if I may ask |
| 17:54.05 | JeffM2501 | we are looking at changing our servers |
| 17:54.24 | CBG | xlhost.com iirc, they're cheaper than Aplus.net |
| 17:54.33 | JeffM2501 | and anyone know the ISP that the list server is at? |
| 17:55.03 | CBG | (and aplus are just shockingly bad in every way imaginable anyway) |
| 17:55.19 | a_meteorite | xlhost *is* an ISP |
| 17:55.26 | a_meteorite | but I don't know their backend ISP |
| 17:56.11 | a_meteorite | "Our network is connected via 3 separate SONNET (redundant physical fiber-optics) rings to multiple carriers including MCI, Global Crossing, and Time Warner Cable." |
| 17:57.31 | a_meteorite | They're in Columbus, OH |
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| 17:58.06 | Cobra_Fast | hello again |
| 17:58.15 | a_meteorite | hey |
| 17:58.20 | Cobra_Fast | ingame BZFkag doesnt recognize team-Bases |
| 17:58.26 | Cobra_Fast | -k+l |
| 17:58.40 | Cobra_Fast | (of course its CTF) |
| 17:58.52 | Cobra_Fast | i made the map with BZEdit |
| 17:59.07 | Cobra_Fast | must i set coordinates or what? |
| 17:59.26 | CBG | You're running a server? |
| 17:59.33 | Cobra_Fast | yes |
| 17:59.43 | Cobra_Fast | locale |
| 17:59.52 | CBG | No errors, warnings...? |
| 17:59.55 | Cobra_Fast | no |
| 18:00.03 | Cobra_Fast | cant see |
| 18:00.13 | Cobra_Fast | well i'll have a look ;) |
| 18:01.17 | Cobra_Fast | and its shit that i only can run bzfs in MSDOS-prompt, with that i cant give all options, grml |
| 18:01.23 | CBG | You need to have -mp set correctly, iirc, for ctf to worl. |
| 18:01.34 | Cobra_Fast | -mp? |
| 18:01.36 | JeffM2501 | Cobra_Fast, please watch your language |
| 18:01.37 | CBG | What options can't you give...? |
| 18:01.56 | CBG | Cobra_Fast: it's a server option "max players". See the man page. |
| 18:02.42 | Cobra_Fast | not much options, aww |
| 18:03.00 | Cobra_Fast | ill try that thx |
| 18:04.57 | Erroneous | 'twas rather convenient in the day I could just tell people like him to go use bzfsgui... |
| 18:05.48 | CBG | If he can start a server, he's intelligent enough to read the man page and add -mp... to his command/conf. :) |
| 18:16.10 | JeffM2501 | why can't we still do that? |
| 18:17.19 | Erroneous | hmm? |
| 18:17.33 | JeffM2501 | tell him to use the gui thingy |
| 18:17.40 | Erroneous | I doubt bzfsgui would still launch the server |
| 18:17.51 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:17.57 | Erroneous | although I could probably fix it, that would require installing vb6 :) |
| 18:18.05 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:18.20 | JeffM2501 | not like you can't get it easy ;) |
| 18:18.36 | Erroneous | I have a copy, I have just, eh, refrained from installing it :) |
| 18:18.44 | JeffM2501 | smart man |
| 18:19.02 | JeffM2501 | perhaps somone should write one as a java based web page? |
| 18:19.11 | Erroneous | MAC did that once upon a time |
| 18:19.20 | Erroneous | it had permissions problems |
| 18:19.21 | JeffM2501 | isn't it still in etc? |
| 18:19.23 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 18:19.26 | Erroneous | java is supposed to run in a sandbox |
| 18:19.36 | JeffM2501 | understandable |
| 18:19.37 | Erroneous | no, he never moved it off his webpage, iirc |
| 18:21.36 | JeffM2501 | ok how bout C# :) |
| 18:22.03 | JeffM2501 | or just C, using wx |
| 18:22.24 | JeffM2501 | then instead of having an in game menu, we just have the game sublaunch that app :) |
| 18:22.35 | JeffM2501 | so it has to be maintained |
| 18:23.16 | Erroneous | I have thought about writing one in wx or something |
| 18:23.43 | ruskie | well rebuilt libx11 without xcb support and bzflag now works again |
| 18:24.02 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, cool, congratulations :) |
| 18:24.02 | Erroneous | but I always think "well, it would be easier to just fix the vb one, and most nixies can start a server from the commandline..." |
| 18:24.12 | Erroneous | and then I think "I really don't wanna touch that code" |
| 18:24.45 | JeffM2501 | I think it'd be realy nice to externalise the start server interface from the game. |
| 18:24.52 | Erroneous | bzfsgui3 is based on a nice oo model, much cleaner. I never finished it though. |
| 18:25.00 | a_meteorite | lol, I was thinking the same thing at a time |
| 18:25.40 | a_meteorite | a java app for controlling servers (so it'll be cross-platform)( |
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| 19:39.01 | JeffM2501 | you around? |
| 19:39.14 | JeffM2501 | oops, ww :) |
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| 20:36.32 | orchid | ciao Tupone |
| 20:36.43 | Tupone | ciao orchid |
| 20:37.14 | brlcad | ciao Tupone |
| 20:37.29 | Tupone | hola brlcad |
| 20:37.39 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 20:37.48 | A_Heart_Attack | doubt hes here |
| 20:38.17 | ts | Tupone! |
| 20:38.28 | JeffM2501 | tupone lives! |
| 20:38.32 | ts | Nice to see you |
| 20:38.38 | a_meteorite | ~nickometer a_meteorite |
| 20:38.48 | Tupone | :) |
| 20:38.51 | a_meteorite | ~nickometer Tupone |
| 20:38.56 | a_meteorite | aw :( |
| 20:39.01 | Gina | lol |
| 20:39.03 | tannerld | ~nickometer tannerld |
| 20:39.09 | a_meteorite | hello Tupone |
| 20:39.41 | Birdie | howdy tupone, nice to see you |
| 20:40.14 | Tupone | been in your city :) |
| 20:42.24 | blast7 | heh |
| 20:42.26 | ts | lol |
| 20:43.01 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 20:43.29 | A_Heart_Attack | not including the _'s |
| 20:43.32 | A_Heart_Attack | :p |
| 20:43.52 | Tupone | brlcad: I'm pm'ing you :( |
| 20:44.12 | brlcad | ack |
| 20:44.17 | Birdie | tupone: oh?:) |
| 20:44.41 | Tupone | how do I remove that? |
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| 20:45.36 | Tupone | Birdie: well, only at the station from Brugge to Brussels, but is something :) |
| 20:45.56 | Birdie | tupone: that was pretty very close:) |
| 20:46.23 | ts | Tupone: Where is Brugge? |
| 20:46.27 | Gina | LOL |
| 20:46.33 | Gina | in Belgio |
| 20:46.36 | Gina | Belgium |
| 20:46.41 | Tupone | near the sea, |
| 20:46.43 | ts | Ah... |
| 20:46.53 | Tupone | maybe 40 km |
| 20:47.04 | orchid | hi Gina |
| 20:47.05 | ts | I asked because their website is in netherlands, french, german and english |
| 20:47.09 | Gina | hey orchid |
| 20:47.23 | Birdie | howdy orchid |
| 20:47.38 | ts | heh, 4 languages I understand ;) |
| 20:47.44 | brlcad | Tupone: I forget how to disable it |
| 20:48.06 | orchid | hi Birdie |
| 20:48.08 | Tupone | /msg nickserv set unfiltered o |
| 20:48.14 | Tupone | s/o// |
| 20:48.15 | A_Heart_Attack | ? |
| 20:48.30 | ts | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#fromunreg |
| 20:49.34 | brlcad | ahh, yes |
| 20:49.39 | brlcad | it's just not in their help list |
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| 20:52.02 | SportChick | brlcad: I pinged you yesterday :D |
| 21:08.06 | hardwire | sexay |
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| 22:05.02 | a_meteorite | hardwire: are you feeling okay..? |
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| 22:28.41 | hardwire | no |
| 22:28.53 | a_meteorite | k, just making sure |
| 22:30.52 | hardwire | what clued you off? |
| 22:31.01 | hardwire | 1) odd thing i said many moons ago |
| 22:31.04 | a_meteorite | "sexay" |
| 22:31.07 | hardwire | 2) not said anything recently.. |
| 22:31.23 | JeffM2501 | maybe he was just telling you how he feels |
| 22:31.31 | a_meteorite | ahh |
| 22:32.06 | hardwire | naw |
| 22:32.09 | hardwire | somebody got pinged |
| 22:32.17 | hardwire | sometimes my toosh gets pinged |
| 22:32.23 | hardwire | in a sexay way |
| 22:32.26 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 22:32.34 | a_meteorite | *swoosh over head* |
| 22:32.38 | hardwire | it replies with a loud PONG |
| 22:38.07 | hardwire | I played with some japanese guy the other night |
| 22:38.15 | hardwire | just the two of us in a cool little map |
| 22:38.37 | hardwire | I didn't know he was japanese until I yelled Kamikaze! and fell of a huge building to attack him |
| 22:38.44 | hardwire | he killed me |
| 22:39.00 | hardwire | then wondered if I was in Japan :) |
| 22:39.47 | hardwire | we have such a screwy internet pipe from Alaska.. I'm amazed I can play seattle people, much less Japanese |
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| 22:48.25 | hardwire | reading about cryonics |
| 22:48.41 | hardwire | anybody here feel worthy of freezing their brain/body/etc in order to see the future? |
| 22:49.10 | a_meteorite | me |
| 22:49.18 | hardwire | no kidding |
| 22:49.21 | a_meteorite | unless we have a nuclear war. |
| 22:49.23 | a_meteorite | that'd suck. |
| 22:49.25 | hardwire | its relatively cheap |
| 22:49.32 | hardwire | a_meteorite: then you would be dead anyways |
| 22:49.43 | a_meteorite | yeah, but at least I'd be living now |
| 22:49.54 | hardwire | you do it on your death bed |
| 22:50.15 | hardwire | specifically because cronics assumes that the generations that can revive you can also repair tissue and regenerate your entire body |
| 22:51.02 | a_meteorite | so, um, how does it work? |
| 22:51.16 | hardwire | cryonics on wikipedia has a lot of info |
| 22:51.23 | hardwire | including a company that has done it.. |
| 22:51.36 | hardwire | they assume full preservation because they have no way of telling 100% otherwise :) |
| 22:52.03 | hardwire | they can't revive you |
| 22:52.07 | AAA_awright | hardwire: you are in Alaska, you say? |
| 22:52.15 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 22:53.26 | hardwire | AAA_awright: indeed |
| 22:53.27 | hardwire | you? |
| 22:53.29 | AAA_awright | I don't know of any backbones that go there... though with the speeds you are talking about, it seems like there should be one going to Seattle, and than to Japan... |
| 22:53.46 | hardwire | AAA_awright: there was to japan at one point |
| 22:53.58 | hardwire | a junction in the middle of the sea on a wee little island |
| 22:54.17 | hardwire | we have 3 fibers going down to seattle |
| 22:54.20 | hardwire | all through AT&T |
| 22:54.27 | a_meteorite | then where is the hard line of when a person really is dead? :\ |
| 22:54.36 | hardwire | however the ILEC/CLECs here can't afford enough to support their customers |
| 22:54.52 | hardwire | a_meteorite: I didn't say it wasn't controversal |
| 22:55.14 | hardwire | a_meteorite: primarily the people that have been frozen are already dead according to modern medicine |
| 22:55.17 | a_meteorite | hasn't it ever been tested if a person can recover from it? |
| 22:55.27 | a_meteorite | one who isn't dead...? |
| 22:55.38 | hardwire | a_meteorite: if an animal can't we can't |
| 22:55.42 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 22:55.59 | hardwire | yeh |
| 22:56.19 | hardwire | the wikipedia article says they have partially frozen and recovered some frogs |
| 22:56.24 | a_meteorite | let's just hope they can keep you frozen continuously for a thousand years and they know how to undo it :) |
| 22:56.30 | hardwire | but they can't really ask the frog "So.. feel hoppy?" |
| 22:56.35 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 22:56.56 | hardwire | a_meteorite: they refill you with a reserve of liquid nitrogen for whenever it starts to evaporate :) |
| 22:57.06 | hardwire | like topping a liquid battery off |
| 22:57.08 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 22:57.25 | hardwire | thats the most stable energy effecient form of freezing somebody |
| 22:57.39 | hardwire | inside what looks like a giant pressure cooker |
| 22:57.51 | hardwire | or turkey frier |
| 22:57.54 | hardwire | :) |
| 22:58.22 | hardwire | talk about fresh |
| 22:58.23 | a_meteorite | got to go... that's interesting though |
| 22:58.53 | hardwire | AAA_awright: I have a map at home that AT&T gave me of their current major backbones |
| 22:59.24 | hardwire | but they can't sell the same services that other companies can due to government restrictions |
| 22:59.50 | hardwire | so that goes through little companies like alaska communication systems to purchase anuplink via at&t and distribute to companies |
| 22:59.52 | AAA_awright | ... a government-enforced monopoly? |
| 22:59.58 | hardwire | yup |
| 23:00.10 | hardwire | thats why we pay 14 cents per minute intrastate and to the lower 48/hawaii |
| 23:00.25 | AAA_awright | oh, a government-enforced anti-monopoly... what? |
| 23:00.34 | hardwire | nyeh |
| 23:00.38 | hardwire | its difficult to undrestand |
| 23:01.15 | hardwire | basically we are paying a buttload to subsidize extreme conditions repair/installation of telephone equipment |
| 23:01.22 | hardwire | sorry.. pooload |
| 23:02.04 | hardwire | but some people reappropriated most of it to go to eRate services like emergency/education/health related telecommunications |
| 23:02.14 | hardwire | its super expensive to communicate in Alaska |
| 23:02.25 | hardwire | I used to run an ISP on st. paul island, ak |
| 23:02.53 | hardwire | our cruddy uplink to utah bypassing alaska fees was still $4500/mo for a sta uplink running shared 2mbps down by shared 512kbps up |
| 23:03.09 | hardwire | sta/sat |
| 23:03.29 | hardwire | by shared I mean its on the same tdma circuit as other communities in alaska and rural lower 48 |
| 23:03.50 | AAA_awright | That makes burying your own optical cable look cheap... |
| 23:04.07 | hardwire | not when its the arctic circle |
| 23:04.18 | hardwire | just to support 1100 people |
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| 23:25.17 | hardwire | it would be nice to have laser be a sniper only weapon.. vs lucky snooker player |
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