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| 08:05.31 | LePoulpe303 | hi BZWorld ! |
| 08:05.56 | jh` | hi LePoulpe303 |
| 08:06.20 | LePoulpe303 | hi jh^ :) |
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| 09:24.52 | NTH | ~bzflist |
| 09:26.19 | NTH | looks like the listsever is unhappy :-( |
| 10:03.32 | A-Delusion | very unhappy |
| 10:16.45 | CBG | ~pamper listserver |
| 10:16.48 | ibot | ACTION pulls out all the stops, and arranges a 2-hour massage, manicure, pedicure, facial and a full day at the spa for listserver. In addition, food is catered from the local 5-star restaurants, prepared especially for listserver. An army of people are available to do anything listserver might wish for! |
| 10:18.34 | Manu | list server is up again |
| 10:19.12 | CBG | see? it worked! :P |
| 10:20.59 | Manu | yes but not because you :p |
| 10:22.50 | CBG | pffff |
| 10:23.58 | ruskie | lol |
| 10:24.10 | Manu | :) |
| 10:24.43 | ts | CBG: Your massage takes 2 hours, that means we would have to wait 2 more hours |
| 10:25.07 | CBG | shush! :P |
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| 10:29.59 | ts | ~Mac CBG |
| 10:30.00 | ibot | ACTION saves CBG's soul from utter catastrophe by installing Mac OS X! |
| 10:30.47 | CBG | ..? already have it... |
| 10:31.42 | ts | You need a new installation :p |
| 10:31.56 | CBG | ~wet ts |
| 10:31.57 | ibot | ACTION tips a bucket of crushed ice over ts's head! |
| 10:32.43 | CBG | ~wet ts |
| 10:32.44 | ibot | ACTION tips a bucket of freezing cold water over ts's head! |
| 10:32.48 | CBG | thats better |
| 10:38.51 | ts | new installation didn't help :( |
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| 10:49.24 | ibunny | manu manu |
| 10:49.48 | CBG | ibunny: ibunny: <3<3 |
| 10:49.57 | ibunny | cbg cbg |
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| 10:56.52 | Teppic | hmm... |
| 11:08.07 | A-Delusion | nanu nanu |
| 11:08.16 | CBG | nano nano |
| 11:08.23 | A-Delusion | back in a bleem |
| 11:09.29 | Manu | :) |
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| 15:25.44 | ts | ~bzflist |
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| 15:31.09 | ts | I love those guest posts in the forums :( |
| 15:31.25 | blast007 | ts: where are they at? |
| 15:31.50 | L4m3r | shouldn't guest posting be disabled everywhere but the registration issues forum? |
| 15:31.59 | blast007 | L4m3r: it's probably an exploit |
| 15:32.12 | ts | There is no more registration issues forum, AFAIK |
| 15:32.14 | Manu | ~bzflist |
| 15:32.15 | blast007 | and "registration issues" doesn't exist |
| 15:32.28 | L4m3r | blast007: some guest typed "LOL" in a thread in the server admin help forum |
| 15:32.32 | Manu | ts: up again |
| 15:32.55 | ts | Manu: Yes, maybe I take it down with browsing the forums..I must stop :) |
| 15:33.01 | blast007 | L4m3r: is that a hidden forum? |
| 15:33.20 | ts | there is not only "LOL" but also a lot of links |
| 15:33.31 | L4m3r | oh really? missed that part |
| 15:33.37 | L4m3r | and it's gone already |
| 15:34.00 | ts | Hmm, not for me |
| 15:34.17 | L4m3r | blast007: no, "Help: Server Setup and Administration" |
| 15:34.27 | ts | Whatever..work is waiting for me :( |
| 15:34.42 | L4m3r | oh, ha |
| 15:34.48 | L4m3r | it's a different post |
| 15:34.56 | L4m3r | it was in a different thread before |
| 15:35.07 | blast007 | guest posting is allowed there.... |
| 15:35.16 | blast007 | You can post new topics in this forum |
| 15:35.16 | blast007 | You can reply to topics in this forum |
| 15:35.29 | blast007 | I'm logged out :) |
| 15:35.32 | L4m3r | oops? |
| 15:36.36 | CBG | there are like, 5 of those LOL posts everyday |
| 15:36.47 | CBG | just msg jeff/brlcad/dtr the link |
| 15:37.11 | L4m3r | are they always in that same forum? |
| 15:37.19 | CBG | think so |
| 15:37.25 | L4m3r | ...or is someone cracking it and changing the perms? :x |
| 15:37.59 | blast007 | the Tournaments forum allows guest posting too |
| 15:38.15 | L4m3r | I wonder why |
| 15:38.26 | L4m3r | allowing guests posts is suicide, especially for phpBB |
| 15:40.01 | blast007 | same with the Ducati League Discussion |
| 15:41.05 | L4m3r | it probably defaults that way |
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| 15:42.00 | blast007 | still, as you said, guest posting on phpBB is bad, since there is nothing that prevents spam then |
| 15:42.23 | CBG | wtf prevents spam anyway? |
| 15:42.30 | L4m3r | yeah, but it's difficult to get all the options every time |
| 15:42.31 | CBG | its phpgoddamnbb |
| 15:42.31 | blast007 | I had the start of a mod that made them type a verification code for when guest posting was used |
| 15:43.02 | L4m3r | it'd be nice to have that for registration too |
| 15:43.14 | blast007 | L4m3r: the new phpBB does |
| 15:43.31 | L4m3r | :) |
| 15:43.31 | blast007 | has had for some time |
| 15:43.45 | L4m3r | but we're helplessly dependent on the current install :\ |
| 15:44.33 | blast007 | I should just grab a copy of the DB, and run a test upgrade here |
| 15:49.19 | L4m3r | you can have shell/FTP/whatever on my box if you like, it's getting wiped tomorrow probably |
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| 16:01.17 | Erroneous | fwiw, we should not get any more of those guest spams. someone (tm) still ought to fix it right |
| 16:02.17 | L4m3r | just disable guest posting in those forums... |
| 16:02.23 | Erroneous | it is disabled |
| 16:02.28 | L4m3r | o_O |
| 16:02.33 | Erroneous | exactly |
| 16:02.33 | blast007 | no, it's not :) |
| 16:02.40 | Erroneous | that is why someone should fix it right |
| 16:02.50 | Erroneous | heh |
| 16:02.54 | brlcad | er, someone (tm) ;) |
| 16:03.03 | blast007 | oh wait, yes, it is |
| 16:03.06 | Erroneous | yup, that someone |
| 16:03.14 | ts | Ah the beloved (tm) sign |
| 16:03.29 | brlcad | (c) Erroneous |
| 16:03.43 | L4m3r | the problem is that someone (tm) never works for free :P |
| 16:04.03 | Erroneous | fair warning: if you make a post that starts with LOL, do not have any links in it :) |
| 16:04.29 | L4m3r | LOL http://google.com |
| 16:04.47 | CBG | LOL http://goggle.com |
| 16:05.12 | Steve14 | ^^ |
| 16:05.15 | blast007 | heh |
| 16:05.20 | Erroneous | there were no legit entries matching the pattern I used in the database, so I figure we're probably alright...but if your subnet gets autobanned, it's Not My Fault (tm) |
| 16:05.24 | ts | LOL - use the reserved example.com domain for that jokes |
| 16:06.18 | brlcad | LOL http://www.flickr.com/photos/captainjansson/216013371/ |
| 16:06.25 | Manu | hola brlcad :) |
| 16:06.35 | brlcad | hola Manu :) |
| 16:07.04 | ts | brlcad: Do you like the ® as well? |
| 16:07.04 | Manu | brlcad: today I had to restart apache and mysql 2 times :( (tm) |
| 16:07.23 | brlcad | ts: the (tm) in the link |
| 16:07.31 | brlcad | not tm's in general |
| 16:09.03 | Manu | brlcad: I guess it was some kind of attack..the system usage was over 50% |
| 16:09.43 | ts | Manu: I was browsing, the forums, it must be me all the time who causes it ;) |
| 16:10.27 | Manu | we can ban you to test it :p |
| 16:10.49 | ts | eek |
| 16:10.54 | L4m3r | heh |
| 16:12.19 | Manu | brlcad: I'm talking about your server of course ;) |
| 16:27.49 | brlcad | Manu: system usage is almost always over 50% |
| 16:28.29 | brlcad | it can sustain 100% usage quite responsively, it's when the load is > 2 that things can be a problem |
| 16:29.19 | brlcad | at least greater than that for an extended period of time |
| 16:30.25 | brlcad | more important is that there are attacks that establish active connections that don't disconnect/timeout, causing apache to run out of client slots, resulting in a list server that can't be connected to http-wise |
| 16:32.22 | brlcad | I could increase the number of allowed http connections, but I don't think that will solve the problem in the least -- from what I can tell, they're connections that result from a phpbb vulnerability where I think it's someone establishing a connection to .bz's apache as relay/proxy for other communication chatter |
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| 16:34.42 | brlcad | most of the connections all seem to point to various random .ru addresses, highly likely botnet or irc relay related |
| 16:36.19 | Erroneous | brlcad: most of the guest spams have been .ru and .br |
| 16:36.21 | brlcad | hmm.. now I could set up some autofirewalling, since in almost every instance a netstat shows dozens of connections to the same IP.. yet another bandaid over phpbb |
| 16:40.00 | L4m3r | brlcad: band-aids are fine for something that's practically made of paperclips and bubble gum already anyway :P |
| 16:40.36 | brlcad | L4m3r: true |
| 16:45.29 | Manu | brlcad: true, this server is always 4-50% of system usage |
| 16:45.50 | Manu | brlcad: isn't it too much? |
| 16:46.09 | Manu | 40* |
| 16:51.07 | brlcad | not in the least |
| 16:52.13 | L4m3r | poor server, though :P |
| 16:52.28 | brlcad | bsd servers remain responsive (and compute usage slightly different) through 100% |
| 16:53.31 | Erroneous | yay |
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| 17:38.39 | brlcad | welp, the script is now written.. have to see how well it works come the next 6am hit |
| 17:39.23 | Manu | cross your fingers ;) |
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| 17:44.40 | brlcad | every attack i've seen thusfar has involved outbound http connections, so the script uses that as a basis for blocking |
| 17:45.51 | brlcad | with a rather low limit for starters.. can't think of any false positives that will get caught.. but we'll see I reckon |
| 17:46.22 | CBG | [6:10pm] » brlcad wonders how many is too many |
| 17:46.28 | CBG | 42. duh. |
| 17:46.54 | brlcad | that's not too many |
| 17:47.08 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, the guest spam keeps hiting thruout the day too |
| 17:47.08 | brlcad | that's just the answer |
| 17:47.43 | brlcad | the spam is a separate issue I'm afraid |
| 17:47.48 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 17:47.51 | JeffM2501 | I'm just leting you know |
| 17:47.56 | brlcad | that's just yet another weakness of that phpbb |
| 17:48.35 | JeffM2501 | who all has access to the web stuff? I want to see if I can convince somone to upgrade us |
| 17:48.37 | JeffM2501 | fully |
| 17:48.48 | brlcad | lots of folks |
| 17:48.56 | brlcad | and if they don't.. |
| 17:49.25 | brlcad | i've got no problems adding someone if they're interested in actually doing the work |
| 17:49.34 | CBG | blast007: was talking about it earlier |
| 17:49.43 | brlcad | and both those two already have access |
| 17:49.44 | JeffM2501 | CBG, cool |
| 17:49.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah I know they do, and they do good work |
| 17:50.13 | JeffM2501 | I'm even ok if we loose quick repply and the other mods for a short while |
| 17:50.33 | CBG | [4:44pm] <blast007> I should just grab a copy of the DB, and run a test upgrade here |
| 17:50.57 | JeffM2501 | tho I hate having to reaply QR every time, I wish they'd put it a base option |
| 17:51.04 | JeffM2501 | it's a rather involved mod |
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| 17:51.36 | brlcad | a fix for a problem that causes a problem too though :) |
| 17:51.41 | L4m3r | Jeff, if you do, please put the "preview" and "submit" buttons in the same order for QR and normal posting :P |
| 17:51.52 | brlcad | you make it easier for you to address stupid postings, yet it makes it easier for them to keep making them too |
| 17:51.56 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, thankfully phpbb does mention working tward a modular authentication system for 3.0 |
| 17:52.12 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, that's part of the intelegence test |
| 17:52.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah we could re-evaluate if we need QR |
| 17:52.54 | JeffM2501 | it's nice when used properly |
| 17:53.32 | JeffM2501 | now a mod that checks and sees if you post twice in a row, and say "you sure you just don't want to edit that last post?" would be cool :) |
| 17:54.10 | L4m3r | I once had one for vBulletin that would automatically merge a double-post |
| 17:54.27 | L4m3r | and update the date stamp, so you'd still be able to "bump" |
| 17:54.55 | L4m3r | depending on the db structure that probably wouldn't be too difficult |
| 17:56.57 | L4m3r | that security mod that Romfis posted a while ago looked nice, too, but probably very labor-intensive to install |
| 17:59.07 | JeffM2501 | vbulletin costs money dosn't it? |
| 17:59.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03amcnabb * 10bzflag/include/Team.h: Added declaration of getShortName to Team.h |
| 18:01.17 | CBG | yes JeffM2501 |
| 18:01.22 | CBG | IPB too, iirc |
| 18:01.32 | CBG | SMF is free and ownz phpBB imho. |
| 18:02.30 | JeffM2501 | how much? |
| 18:03.23 | CBG | IPB? not sure.... |
| 18:04.12 | L4m3r | vBulletin is $85 per year (ouch) with support, or $180 or so for a permanent license, sans support after a year iirc |
| 18:04.34 | CBG | vB is $85 for 1 year or $160 for ever |
| 18:04.44 | CBG | ~wet L4m3r for being too fast |
| 18:04.52 | ibot | ACTION tips a bucket of crushed ice over L4m3r for being too fast's head! |
| 18:04.52 | L4m3r | oh, $160, that's right |
| 18:05.10 | L4m3r | after you've done 3 or 4 vB forums you remember |
| 18:05.24 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: we haven't gotten any guest spams in the last couple hours, have we? |
| 18:05.40 | CBG | i didnt see any |
| 18:05.56 | CBG | wee hack? eewwwwwww TMI |
| 18:06.05 | JeffM2501 | I deleted 2 this morning at 9AM |
| 18:06.14 | Erroneous | yeah, after that |
| 18:06.20 | JeffM2501 | haven't checked |
| 18:06.33 | Erroneous | file time is around 9:10 |
| 18:08.36 | Erroneous | we should not get any more that follow that particular pattern. the underlying problem is not fixed though |
| 18:08.45 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:20.41 | JeffM2501 | if they are gonna hook up a game system to a kids brain, shoun't they at least spring for an Xbox, not an Atari 2600 |
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| 18:43.53 | L4m3r | I'm guessing they used an atari because the controls are simpler |
| 18:44.07 | L4m3r | but the tech isn't that new |
| 18:44.28 | L4m3r | the military has been playing with it for a couple years iirc |
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| 19:00.31 | L4m3r | I think we found one somewhere, but it didn't work |
| 19:00.46 | brlcad | i mean connected to my brain |
| 19:00.52 | L4m3r | heh |
| 19:01.28 | L4m3r | I'll wait until they get a typing interface |
| 19:01.56 | L4m3r | then computer usage will be completely sedentary :) |
| 19:02.06 | brlcad | actually, between my dad and me we have like 5 or 6 and a couple lynx, loads of games, specs, .. :) |
| 19:02.51 | L4m3r | heh |
| 19:04.00 | L4m3r | I've only used emulators |
| 19:04.36 | L4m3r | I actually had a neat clip-on device that put a directional stick over the top of the arrow keys and controlled them |
| 19:05.17 | L4m3r | closest I could get, anyway :P |
| 19:11.09 | orange | yar's revenge was way ahead of its time |
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| 20:10.39 | Birdie | is the spawning calculated for tanks only or also for bullets? |
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| 20:16.16 | Birdie | jeff: is the spawning calculated for tanks only or also for bullets? |
| 20:16.22 | ts | Birdie: I do not think the spawning algorithm takes care of the bullets but I haven't looked at that part of the code |
| 20:16.42 | Birdie | on borrego i spawn like once of 5 in bullets |
| 20:19.29 | ts | You should see my spawns at viper :p |
| 20:20.50 | JeffM2501 | it uses where the server thinks the bullets are |
| 20:21.04 | JeffM2501 | tho those postions are often not accurate |
| 20:21.21 | JeffM2501 | and it depends on what policy you have set |
| 20:21.45 | JeffM2501 | remember that the server dosn't have the same instant gamestate as the client |
| 20:21.50 | blast007 | the server probably doesn't track rico's |
| 20:21.55 | JeffM2501 | so it only knows where at shot was when it was fired, etcc |
| 20:21.57 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 20:22.09 | JeffM2501 | it can't extrapolate where the shot is now, based on the full shot strat. |
| 20:23.24 | L4m3r | there are some todo's in there too iirc |
| 20:23.38 | L4m3r | i.e. no spawn near SW or within sight of a L |
| 20:23.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:24.05 | JeffM2501 | most of it needs a more accurate state on the server |
| 20:24.09 | JeffM2501 | so it can do that |
| 20:24.11 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 20:24.24 | L4m3r | along with a way to prevent lucky spawns |
| 20:24.25 | ts | Heh, when someone has laser I spawn usually 5 or 6 times in a row in his range at viper |
| 20:24.35 | L4m3r | like when someone spawns behind you or under you when you land |
| 20:24.56 | ts | When he looses the flag I hunt him back and before the kill count evens he signs off |
| 20:25.18 | L4m3r | I'm a nasty asshat-hunter |
| 20:25.20 | ts | I've spawned on burrowed tanks in the past |
| 20:25.26 | L4m3r | I chase people away :) |
| 20:26.03 | L4m3r | I hate it when you and a teammate both spawn right on top of one another, on a steamroller or burrow flag |
| 20:26.29 | ts | hehe |
| 20:27.40 | Birdie | blast007: borrego has no rico |
| 20:28.17 | ts | someone™ will correct the bullet path when he/she/it moves kill detection server side |
| 20:30.21 | L4m3r | I don't think one person is going to do all that, it's a big job |
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| 20:31.28 | ts | if it is not done all at once there will be an intermediate state everybody will complain about |
| 20:32.15 | L4m3r | that's why no one uses 2.1 ;) |
| 20:33.11 | ts | 2.1 is not thought for using, it's an unfinished buggy version |
| 20:33.51 | L4m3r | precisely. |
| 20:34.01 | L4m3r | so it can be done gradually in the 2.1 branch |
| 20:35.27 | ts | hehe, the protocol is nowhere really documented.. |
| 20:35.56 | catay | global down ? |
| 20:37.04 | blast007 | I think it's fun with someone spawns on you when you have SR ;) |
| 20:38.13 | L4m3r | yes, when they're not a teammate :( |
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| 21:18.59 | Gnurdux | whats up with my.bzflag.org |
| 21:19.36 | Birdie | if it doesnt work, its down |
| 21:40.33 | amcnabb | I'm planning on applying the "headless" patch in a little bit. |
| 21:40.57 | amcnabb | It's pretty small, and we've had a few dozen people using it for over a month. |
| 21:41.11 | JeffM2501 | is it a build target? |
| 21:41.17 | amcnabb | It's the one that puts "if (!headless)" around some stuff. |
| 21:41.29 | JeffM2501 | so it's a runtime thing? |
| 21:41.33 | amcnabb | Yep. |
| 21:41.35 | JeffM2501 | bzflag -headless? |
| 21:42.12 | amcnabb | The idea is that in normal situations headless=false. We only need it to protect some areas that assume that they can access GL or sound when they really shouldn't. |
| 21:42.21 | amcnabb | It doesn't actually change any behavior. |
| 21:42.27 | amcnabb | Does that make sense? |
| 21:42.38 | Erroneous | if they shouldn't assume something, maybe they should be changed not to assume that :) |
| 21:42.38 | amcnabb | I think there are about 3 or 4 places where it has to do this. |
| 21:42.42 | JeffM2501 | well if you wanted JUST a headless client, you may not want to even build or link in GL |
| 21:43.01 | JeffM2501 | the question is, what is the primary use |
| 21:43.09 | amcnabb | Erroneous, yes, but I'm not the one who wants to break that. :) |
| 21:43.15 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 21:43.16 | JeffM2501 | for people to use the same exe for both, or to build headless solo bots |
| 21:43.29 | amcnabb | JeffM2501, the problem is that you can't build without GL because there's GL stuff EVERYWHERE. |
| 21:43.36 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 21:43.43 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: you're probably overthinking it...iirc it's like a 10-line patch |
| 21:43.50 | JeffM2501 | well its' just 2.1, put it in, if stuff breaks it'll get fixed |
| 21:43.53 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:43.54 | Erroneous | yup |
| 21:44.16 | amcnabb | I'll go ahead and do it then. |
| 21:44.20 | JeffM2501 | so replace the engine with iirlicht :) |
| 21:44.25 | Erroneous | while we may want to have separate executables (I think that'd be best), this is virtually free |
| 21:44.26 | amcnabb | :) |
| 21:44.34 | JeffM2501 | then we can just use the null renderer |
| 21:44.46 | amcnabb | In the long term, we'll want to move the GL stuff out of the way so stuff like the null renderer is possible. |
| 21:44.51 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 21:45.07 | JeffM2501 | or wrap it all up in a real engine |
| 21:45.09 | amcnabb | If nothing else, it makes it clear where the biggest problem areas are. |
| 21:45.14 | amcnabb | JeffM2501, yeah. |
| 21:45.21 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: that gets it out of the way, does it not :D |
| 21:45.25 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 21:45.29 | JeffM2501 | and makes it suck less |
| 21:45.44 | Erroneous | sucking less is a good thing |
| 21:46.02 | amcnabb | :) |
| 21:46.17 | JeffM2501 | iirlicht could actualy be droped in prety easy, tho a lot of code would be removed |
| 21:46.31 | Erroneous | and removing code is a bad thing? |
| 21:46.31 | amcnabb | This is unrelated, but I'm getting the following error in a freshly checked-out bzflag CVS: |
| 21:46.32 | JeffM2501 | as it does it's own menus, and UI and stuff |
| 21:46.34 | amcnabb | configure: error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for plugins |
| 21:46.37 | amcnabb | error: cannot find input file: vc71/Makefile.in |
| 21:46.43 | JeffM2501 | so it'd be a lot of little things to convert over |
| 21:46.48 | amcnabb | autogen.sh didn't make it for some reason. |
| 21:47.04 | JeffM2501 | amcnabb, yup, check the commit message for the last update to the makefile :) |
| 21:47.12 | amcnabb | :) |
| 21:47.30 | JeffM2501 | Someone(TM) hasn't fixed it yet |
| 21:47.50 | amcnabb | :) |
| 21:48.12 | JeffM2501 | basicly we don't do VC71 dirs in the root of plugins anymore, it's all MSVC/VC71 |
| 21:48.19 | JeffM2501 | I didn't know what to fix in the makefile |
| 21:48.36 | Erroneous | feel free to fix it and check it in |
| 21:48.54 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: so you mean you broke the makefile quite some time ago, and nobody has complained? |
| 21:48.59 | Erroneous | goodness |
| 21:50.21 | JeffM2501 | well like 3 days ago maybe |
| 21:50.41 | amcnabb | I'm testing a fix right now. |
| 21:50.45 | amcnabb | We'll see if it works. :) |
| 21:51.06 | JeffM2501 | but I put in my commit message that I broke it. and somone(TM) said they read every single commit message ;) |
| 21:51.16 | JeffM2501 | but maybe they have less time now that they are working |
| 21:51.30 | Erroneous | someone(tm) reads every diff even |
| 21:51.36 | Erroneous | 'cept I stopped reading yours |
| 21:51.41 | Erroneous | and trepan's |
| 21:51.59 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 21:52.07 | JeffM2501 | tabs get to ya? |
| 21:52.07 | Erroneous | 'cause they're usually hella long |
| 21:52.16 | Erroneous | and that :) |
| 21:52.54 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure I haven't done a long commit in a while |
| 21:53.03 | JeffM2501 | to this project |
| 21:53.13 | Erroneous | you were moving files or something for a bit |
| 21:53.17 | Erroneous | was a while ago |
| 21:53.27 | JeffM2501 | oh, the grand cockup |
| 21:53.33 | Erroneous | and I never got back into it |
| 21:53.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah.. never doing THAT again |
| 21:53.41 | Erroneous | oh, and there was the whole cheeze whiz thing |
| 21:54.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:54.34 | JeffM2501 | no more whiz |
| 21:55.03 | Erroneous | 'cause it's hard to put back in the bottle |
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| 21:58.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03amcnabb * 10bzflag/plugins/configure.ac: Stop blowing vc71 chunks. :) |
| 21:58.50 | amcnabb | It works for me, anyway. :) |
| 21:59.07 | JeffM2501 | it's 2.1, it's no bigie |
| 21:59.23 | JeffM2501 | as you've seen it was busted for a while, and you were the only one to see it :) |
| 21:59.45 | JeffM2501 | and for me, you can change that makefile all day long, and I'll still compile :) |
| 22:00.35 | amcnabb | :) |
| 22:00.50 | amcnabb | That makes me feel more comfortable. |
| 22:01.03 | amcnabb | I'm one of those people that's always paranoid about breaking things. |
| 22:01.19 | amcnabb | So, here goes headless. |
| 22:01.33 | JeffM2501 | it's CVS, it can always be reverted |
| 22:01.45 | JeffM2501 | heck, I screwed up every file in the project once :) |
| 22:02.01 | amcnabb | Wow. |
| 22:02.04 | amcnabb | That must have been fun. |
| 22:02.14 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 22:02.32 | JeffM2501 | I don't wish to do it again, but it's not like it was hard to revert |
| 22:04.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03amcnabb * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (5 files): |
| 22:04.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Add a global variable named headless in playing.cxx, which wraps around |
| 22:04.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: a few spots where it is unsafely assumed that we have access to graphics |
| 22:04.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: and sound. |
| 22:04.05 | JeffM2501 | there is also the fact that development is realy slow on 2.1, so your probably going to be the only one commiting |
| 22:04.35 | amcnabb | That means if I break something people will know it's my fault! :( |
| 22:05.03 | JeffM2501 | well that means if you break something, your probably the only one who will find it :) |
| 22:05.09 | amcnabb | :) |
| 22:07.09 | amcnabb | :) |
| 22:07.28 | JeffM2501 | tho I guess Dave does the reports... |
| 22:07.46 | amcnabb | Speaking of breaking things... |
| 22:07.57 | amcnabb | I'm not sure exactly what to do about the freezetag patch. |
| 22:08.30 | amcnabb | The issue is that once the patch is applied, updated clients don't work with non-updated servers. |
| 22:08.37 | JeffM2501 | bump the proto |
| 22:08.42 | JeffM2501 | that is what it is there for |
| 22:08.47 | amcnabb | So that's safe? |
| 22:08.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:08.58 | JeffM2501 | that is the reason it's there |
| 22:09.02 | amcnabb | Cool. |
| 22:09.07 | JeffM2501 | so that incombatable versions never connect |
| 22:09.15 | JeffM2501 | it's why it's like 15 above 2.0.x |
| 22:09.17 | amcnabb | Did you want to look over that before I put it in. |
| 22:09.21 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 22:09.28 | JeffM2501 | you'll be fine :) |
| 22:09.31 | amcnabb | I haven't gotten too much feedback, other than the conversations we had before it was done. |
| 22:09.33 | JeffM2501 | just add one to the proto number |
| 22:09.39 | JeffM2501 | and add one to the revision |
| 22:09.42 | JeffM2501 | in the version.h |
| 22:09.50 | amcnabb | Let me look at that. |
| 22:10.01 | JeffM2501 | we've bumped the proto a number of times since 2.0.x |
| 22:10.10 | JeffM2501 | now once we hit 2.2, then no proto breaks till 2.3 |
| 22:10.25 | amcnabb | ok |
| 22:10.39 | JeffM2501 | if it's an odd minor, bump like there is no tomorow, if it's even, then it's a release, and we maintain compatability |
| 22:10.55 | amcnabb | That makes sense. |
| 22:11.17 | JeffM2501 | the entire reason we are doing 2.1.x not 2.0.9, is so that we CAN break protocoll and force upgrades |
| 22:11.22 | amcnabb | What's BZ_CONFIG_DIR_VERSION? |
| 22:11.39 | JeffM2501 | that is the folder we get the config from |
| 22:11.46 | JeffM2501 | don't change that |
| 22:11.49 | JeffM2501 | that's 2.2 right now |
| 22:12.31 | JeffM2501 | IIRC you want src/date/builddate.cxx |
| 22:12.35 | JeffM2501 | BZ_PROTO_VERSION |
| 22:12.43 | JeffM2501 | it's 0042 right now, make it 0043 |
| 22:12.52 | JeffM2501 | and change the BZ_REV from 8 to 9 |
| 22:13.11 | JeffM2501 | then when you commit only 0043 version clients will connect to your new server |
| 22:13.11 | amcnabb | But 42 is such a great number. :) |
| 22:13.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah, it had it's time :) |
| 22:13.40 | JeffM2501 | also your new clients won't list servers other then 0043, so they won't even try to connect |
| 22:16.25 | Erroneous | yeah, dave will be looking at that |
| 22:16.34 | JeffM2501 | he's so lucky |
| 22:16.45 | Erroneous | right now I'm testing on vista, joy of joys |
| 22:16.47 | JeffM2501 | this fix only affects stuff that does angles :) |
| 22:17.28 | Erroneous | oh is that all? |
| 22:18.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:21.42 | amcnabb | :) |
| 22:23.48 | JeffM2501 | ok snikers bar + lung != good combo |
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