| 00:00.12 | JeffM2501 | auth system I mean |
| 00:00.17 | CBG | I don't know an awful lot about RoR, but I do think it's great. I want to learn, but that'll have to be in some years time, after PHP, C++, college... |
| 00:00.20 | Erroneous | only irc bot I've written is in C# |
| 00:00.29 | CBG | Heh, mine was PHP. :P |
| 00:00.41 | JeffM2501 | wonder what one used more CPU? :) |
| 00:01.09 | Erroneous | mine was rather tightly coded, it had to do a lot of work in between saying stuff |
| 00:01.17 | CBG | Pff, never took any notice, was just doing it to practice my leet php skillz (hah!). |
| 00:01.27 | CBG | ~bonk purple_cow |
| 00:01.29 | ibot | ACTION bonks purple_cow over the head |
| 00:01.29 | JeffM2501 | ahh, and my anger level would have to inturupt my current writing as well. |
| 00:01.39 | JeffM2501 | what is django? |
| 00:01.48 | CBG | Another language.. |
| 00:02.02 | Erroneous | python web framework |
| 00:02.02 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow is prety smart |
| 00:02.06 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:02.12 | Erroneous | thus the purple_cow love it gets :) |
| 00:02.15 | CBG | ah, right... |
| 00:02.21 | JeffM2501 | he liked C# as well |
| 00:02.27 | JeffM2501 | but that may have been the brain mites |
| 00:02.50 | purple_cow | I still like it |
| 00:02.56 | Erroneous | django is pretty cool, but very young |
| 00:03.04 | JeffM2501 | what they got you using there at VM ware? |
| 00:03.22 | purple_cow | mostly C++ |
| 00:03.36 | JeffM2501 | oh that's gotta piss you off :) |
| 00:03.46 | purple_cow | it's not too bad |
| 00:03.57 | JeffM2501 | you used to harbor a deep burning rage for C++ |
| 00:03.59 | Erroneous | and iirc there was some pretty sweet stuff in the django contrib section...it's super modular |
| 00:04.25 | purple_cow | well, I still think that C++'s object model is flexible in all the wrong ways |
| 00:04.26 | JeffM2501 | well I'm not sure writing our own fourms is the proper solution, regardless of language :) |
| 00:04.48 | purple_cow | but it's surprising how expressive C++ can be when combined with libsigc++ |
| 00:04.59 | JeffM2501 | I remember you shouting "TROWBRIDGE SMASH!!!" at it |
| 00:05.09 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 00:05.25 | JeffM2501 | or what that the bot with the same name? :) |
| 00:06.15 | purple_cow | it's also possible I was just grumpy at the bzflag codebase ;-) |
| 00:06.24 | JeffM2501 | ya think :) |
| 00:06.37 | JeffM2501 | who hasn't goten grumpy at it |
| 00:06.43 | Erroneous | what, you don't consider bzflag to be a shining pillar of philosophically pure c++? :) |
| 00:06.59 | purple_cow | Erroneous: surprising as it may sound... |
| 00:07.10 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, the old font system |
| 00:07.24 | Erroneous | yeehaw |
| 00:07.47 | purple_cow | also, you have to consider that they're paying me a ridiculous amount of money to work with C++ |
| 00:07.56 | Erroneous | yay for writing font metrics in black and white pixels in the unused part of the image :) |
| 00:07.57 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:08.10 | JeffM2501 | making the image a format NOONE can ever edit |
| 00:08.31 | Erroneous | I could edit them. just couldn't set the metrics without too much headache to bother |
| 00:08.41 | JeffM2501 | ooh I know, I'll write my own apache module and then write auth in compost! |
| 00:08.49 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:08.57 | Erroneous | is compost even turing-complete? |
| 00:08.57 | JeffM2501 | it is the language I know best |
| 00:09.11 | JeffM2501 | what's that mean? |
| 00:09.18 | JeffM2501 | it's got IF's |
| 00:09.21 | JeffM2501 | and elses |
| 00:09.30 | JeffM2501 | and .. and ... and math! |
| 00:09.37 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:09.52 | JeffM2501 | prefix math, sadly |
| 00:09.56 | Erroneous | turing-completeness essentially implies that given the time, you could simulate any other language |
| 00:10.08 | JeffM2501 | well we don't realy have input |
| 00:10.19 | JeffM2501 | or string maniputlation |
| 00:10.24 | JeffM2501 | but we can make textfiles |
| 00:10.27 | JeffM2501 | like the WIND! |
| 00:10.29 | Erroneous | e.g. you can write a basic interpreter in C, or a c compiler in basic. |
| 00:10.41 | JeffM2501 | naw can't read files, or get user input |
| 00:10.44 | JeffM2501 | it's all about paths :) |
| 00:10.58 | JeffM2501 | and fourm threads are like paths right? |
| 00:11.06 | JeffM2501 | just make each post a feature atribute |
| 00:11.19 | Erroneous | my head is spinning...forum threads are like toolpaths? |
| 00:11.21 | JeffM2501 | then I can make a thread iterator |
| 00:12.06 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 00:13.06 | JeffM2501 | see ya |
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| 01:03.40 | tuxd00d | is lilo really gone? |
| 01:03.45 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:04.05 | tuxd00d | I though he was rather young |
| 01:04.10 | JeffM2501 | hit by car |
| 01:04.21 | tuxd00d | that's not cool |
| 01:04.32 | tuxd00d | in fact, that's really messed up |
| 01:04.41 | JeffM2501 | can and will happen |
| 01:04.50 | tuxd00d | that it does |
| 01:04.55 | A_Heart_Attack | how old was he? |
| 01:05.18 | JeffM2501 | mid 20's late 30's IIRC |
| 01:05.36 | tuxd00d | I thought it was mid 20's |
| 01:05.45 | A_Heart_Attack | wow |
| 01:06.32 | tuxd00d | found it, http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/23066362/article.pl |
| 01:07.00 | blast007 | JeffM2501: hehe, I found a forum system that says it has a modular authentication system |
| 01:07.07 | blast007 | but it's Java based ;) |
| 01:07.09 | JeffM2501 | blast007, what one? |
| 01:07.12 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 01:07.23 | JeffM2501 | and we thought php was CPU intensive :) |
| 01:07.58 | blast007 | PHP doesn't have to be |
| 01:08.04 | blast007 | phpBB just doesn't do any caching |
| 01:08.14 | blast007 | some boards write out .html files that are used |
| 01:08.49 | JeffM2501 | I mean that java could be more CPU intesive then php |
| 01:08.59 | JeffM2501 | but yeah |
| 01:09.21 | blast007 | eBay runs Java |
| 01:09.37 | blast007 | but they have big beefy servers :) |
| 01:09.49 | JeffM2501 | and like programers to optimise the crap outa it |
| 01:09.58 | blast007 | yup |
| 01:12.12 | blast007 | phpBB might add modular authentication: http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=316489 |
| 01:13.31 | blast007 | 4th bullet |
| 01:13.31 | JeffM2501 | in 3.0? |
| 01:13.32 | JeffM2501 | I love there description of karma |
| 01:13.38 | JeffM2501 | kinda like ours with users/tim :) |
| 01:19.28 | blast007 | :) |
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| 03:53.45 | tehSarge | you turn your headlights off this time DTRemenak ? |
| 03:54.05 | tehSarge | damn, wrong name :) |
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| 04:51.15 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, yeah, I did :) |
| 04:56.53 | JeffM2501 | heh, cool |
| 04:57.33 | JeffM2501 | ATI card in the AMD with an nVidia mobo, nvidia card, in the intel with a sis chipset |
| 04:58.04 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:58.55 | JeffM2501 | figured if I can't sell em, may as well make the fastest one have the best video card, in the cooler case |
| 04:59.08 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 04:59.22 | DTRemenak | I'm assembling that sempron now |
| 04:59.33 | JeffM2501 | cool |
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| 07:45.02 | LePoulpe303 | hi BZWorld |
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| 07:56.27 | LePoulpe303 | i'm looking for a quick way to create a forum or proivate blog for my team |
| 07:56.39 | LePoulpe303 | anyone has an idea ? |
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| 08:04.09 | L4m3r | LePoulpe303: get hosting and install phpBB. quick 'n easy. |
| 08:04.38 | L4m3r | or you could use a free hosted forum such a proboards... but those suck ;) |
| 08:05.26 | LePoulpe303 | L4m3r: HMMM TOO COMPLEX, NO ? |
| 08:05.31 | LePoulpe303 | noops sry for caps |
| 08:05.40 | LePoulpe303 | oh god |
| 08:05.56 | LePoulpe303 | do you notice i even press "n" key to talk in IM software now ???? |
| 08:06.16 | LePoulpe303 | :S |
| 08:07.08 | L4m3r | ~n |
| 08:07.16 | ibot | i guess n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure. |
| 08:07.45 | LePoulpe303 | omfg i got it |
| 08:07.46 | L4m3r | most decent web hosting will come with a simple install script for phpBB |
| 08:08.05 | LePoulpe303 | free ones ? |
| 08:08.16 | L4m3r | phpBB is free; hosting is not |
| 08:08.48 | LePoulpe303 | hmm i can't host on my pc, i must play bzflag under(hurrgl) windows |
| 08:09.00 | LePoulpe303 | so i must reboot |
| 08:09.09 | L4m3r | cya |
| 08:09.20 | LePoulpe303 | nope not now ;) |
| 08:09.23 | L4m3r | oh |
| 08:09.39 | LePoulpe303 | i must reboot my linux to play bzflag |
| 08:09.46 | L4m3r | well that wouldn't work, because your website would go down every time you played BZ :P |
| 08:09.56 | LePoulpe303 | (damned ato card not working under linux) |
| 08:10.01 | LePoulpe303 | ato->ati |
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| 08:10.42 | LePoulpe303 | isn't there any decent free web hosting ? |
| 08:11.00 | L4m3r | Decent and free: pick either |
| 08:11.08 | LePoulpe303 | lol |
| 08:11.09 | L4m3r | but not both :P |
| 08:11.42 | L4m3r | proboards has a free ready-to-go forum hosting setup, but they're god-awful |
| 08:13.04 | LePoulpe303 | bah it's just to say : "i played like noob last match", "don't play against brad he will kick your .ss" , or things like that |
| 08:13.33 | L4m3r | oh, or you could try invision free: http://invisionfree.com |
| 08:13.50 | L4m3r | at least then you get Invision Power Board, a real forum software |
| 08:15.03 | LePoulpe303 | it looks awesome ! |
| 08:15.32 | L4m3r | I'm sure there's a catch, but I don't know what it is |
| 08:16.00 | LePoulpe303 | ads are displaye |
| 08:16.03 | LePoulpe303 | displayed |
| 08:16.21 | L4m3r | well, that's a given :P |
| 08:17.18 | LePoulpe303 | our geek brains are now well trained to mentally inore ads |
| 08:17.24 | LePoulpe303 | iGnore :S |
| 08:18.42 | LePoulpe303 | i'll have a try of that invisionfree stuff |
| 08:18.48 | LePoulpe303 | thanks a lot ;) |
| 08:18.53 | L4m3r | np |
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| 09:32.28 | NTH | ~bzflist |
| 09:33.22 | NTH | Looks like the list server doesn't want to play :-9 |
| 09:45.42 | Pimpi | can?t acces the league site either |
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| 10:26.02 | ts | brlcad, DTRemenak: global login down |
| 10:41.11 | Manu | ts I have restarted mysql but it isn't it.. may be apache |
| 10:43.09 | ts | Manu: It's always apache ;) |
| 10:43.17 | ts | j/k |
| 10:43.24 | Manu | ts, yes it was, now it'¡s oki |
| 10:43.28 | Manu | it's ok * |
| 10:43.39 | Manu | ts no, some times it's mysql |
| 10:43.56 | Manu | I have restarted apache |
| 10:55.37 | Manu | Pimpi: on again |
| 10:59.10 | Pimpi | excellent |
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| 11:43.43 | ibunny | manu manu |
| 11:46.35 | Manu | ibunny ibunny |
| 11:47.01 | ibunny | donde esta mi hombre? no deberia de dormir... |
| 11:48.16 | ibunny | no |
| 11:48.19 | ibunny | no me gusta |
| 11:48.49 | ibunny | mejor |
| 11:48.56 | Manu | :) |
| 11:49.48 | ibunny | u have shoes... |
| 11:50.22 | Manu | yep |
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| 15:24.18 | tokimi | any one here play with the recient vs of blootbot? |
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| 15:33.29 | orange | tokimi: your question was 6 minutes early |
| 15:40.44 | TimRiker | ~tell tokimi about ask |
| 15:41.35 | tokimi | lol |
| 15:41.36 | tokimi | k |
| 15:42.42 | tokimi | trying to impliment the sourceforge snapshot of blootbot, its up and running, sorta... a few compaints on load but its up. What I cant figure out is why my vs of blootbot doesnt use the syntax of ibot... nor where I should go for more extensive documentation |
| 15:43.12 | TimRiker | "syntax of ibot" ? |
| 15:43.20 | tokimi | well |
| 15:43.23 | tokimi | i try using some thing say |
| 15:43.52 | tokimi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.57 | tokimi | for $1 is a variable |
| 15:44.04 | tokimi | s/for// |
| 15:44.42 | TimRiker | ~literal cmd: whaleslap (.*?) |
| 15:44.43 | ibot | "cmd: whaleslap (.*?)" is "($foo): <action> beats $foo upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh" |
| 15:44.47 | TimRiker | like that? |
| 15:45.14 | TimRiker | ~literal cmd: fooslap (.*?) |
| 15:45.21 | tokimi | yes |
| 15:45.39 | TimRiker | ~fooslap $1 is <action> beats $1 over the head with a foo |
| 15:45.41 | ibot | okay, TimRiker |
| 15:45.46 | TimRiker | ~fooslap tokimi |
| 15:45.47 | ibot | ACTION beats tokimi over the head with a foo |
| 15:46.02 | TimRiker | ~forget cmd: fooslap (.*?) |
| 15:46.02 | ibot | i forgot cmd: fooslap (.*?), TimRiker |
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| 15:46.59 | tokimi | ^fooslap $1 is <action> beats $1 |
| 15:47.07 | TimRiker | you need Factoids set on and.... |
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| 15:47.44 | tokimi | sry |
| 15:47.46 | tokimi | wrong config file |
| 15:47.51 | tokimi | ^fooslap $1 is <action> beats $1 |
| 15:47.52 | tokibot | okay, tokimi |
| 15:47.55 | TimRiker | factoidArguments as well. |
| 15:48.00 | tokimi | ^fooslap tokimi |
| 15:48.00 | tokibot | tokimi: are you smoking crack? |
| 15:48.23 | TimRiker | ^literal cmd: fooslap (.*?) |
| 15:48.23 | tokibot | TimRiker: are you smoking crack? |
| 15:48.42 | TimRiker | lets move to #botpark? |
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| 17:46.40 | JeffM2501 | wow, no more 8.0 bugs.. what ever will I do |
| 17:46.42 | SportChick | JeffM2501: got a second? |
| 17:46.53 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, sure, if you fix your auto responder :) |
| 17:47.27 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: you could always work on 9.0 bugs... :) |
| 17:47.40 | JeffM2501 | enhancements |
| 17:48.06 | Erroneous | yeah, or those |
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| 17:50.53 | nvz | howdy folks |
| 17:51.18 | nvz | I got bzflag 2.0.6 in debian etch noticed quite a few problems I didnt know if they've been fixed upstream or not |
| 17:51.36 | nvz | burrow flag burrows way too far and machine gun never stops firing until you drop the flag |
| 17:52.05 | nvz | make that 2.0.8.20060605+b1 |
| 17:52.13 | JeffM2501 | who built it? |
| 17:52.17 | JeffM2501 | the package or you? |
| 17:52.18 | nvz | hmm |
| 17:52.24 | nvz | tim did I guess let me check |
| 17:52.27 | Erroneous | burrow depth is specified by the server |
| 17:52.28 | JeffM2501 | so the package |
| 17:52.30 | JeffM2501 | that's fine |
| 17:52.41 | nvz | yeah tim is still the maintainer for debian |
| 17:52.42 | JeffM2501 | I'd build it yourself |
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| 17:52.56 | nvz | Erroneous: really? then the server is the problem |
| 17:53.13 | Erroneous | I've heard of the mg bug happening sometimes. someone(tm) should look into it. |
| 17:53.15 | JeffM2501 | it's not a problem, it's a feature |
| 17:53.16 | nvz | well the machine gun flag I shot and it just kept going that didnt seem right either |
| 17:53.21 | nvz | I gotta run though right now |
| 17:53.37 | nvz | bbl to talk bzflag |
| 17:54.46 | amcnabb | TimRiker, I'm looking forward to the presentation tonight. |
| 17:58.31 | JeffM2501 | what is being presented? |
| 18:01.08 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: LOL at the feature comment :) |
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| 18:05.08 | JeffM2501 | damn, wrong X |
| 18:12.02 | compiler_success | hello |
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| 18:18.08 | ts | MG is always auto firing for me.. |
| 18:25.04 | tannerld | oops |
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| 18:45.14 | compiler_success | hello, bzadmin wont build. anyone willing to help, error message is: |
| 18:45.42 | compiler_success | 1 error detected in the compilation of "CursesUI.cxx". |
| 18:45.57 | compiler_success | make: *** [CursesUI.o] Error 2 |
| 18:47.30 | blast007 | hmm, that's not the error though :) |
| 18:48.04 | compiler_success | before it there's nothing that looks like an error |
| 18:48.16 | compiler_success | latest ncurses is installed |
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| 18:49.09 | the_enemy | paste last bunch of compile output lines to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca ? |
| 18:49.33 | compiler_success | ok |
| 18:56.30 | compiler_success | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/192165 |
| 19:01.03 | compiler_success | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.19 | compiler_success | perhaps the compiler uses the system curses instead of GNU's ncurses? |
| 19:02.38 | the_enemy | I suspect that the -LANG:std should be something else |
| 19:02.41 | the_enemy | for mips cc |
| 19:02.54 | the_enemy | I'm just googling to find some mips compiler docs |
| 19:03.37 | compiler_success | http://docs.sgi.com |
| 19:03.41 | compiler_success | many thanks |
| 19:04.39 | compiler_success | those values were set by the configure script |
| 19:04.47 | compiler_success | many are not correct |
| 19:05.00 | compiler_success | the processor is actually an R12k, not an R5k |
| 19:05.33 | compiler_success | the abi is o32, should be n32 (although o32 should work) |
| 19:05.47 | compiler_success | I don't know.. new to this myself |
| 19:06.44 | the_enemy | From looking at http://docs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?coll=0650&db=man&fname=/usr/share/catman/u_man/cat1/cc.z&srch=CC |
| 19:07.22 | the_enemy | I woudl guess that CursesUI.cxx is including a C99 header in a C++ file, and MIPS CC will refuse to allow C99 headers in C++ |
| 19:07.30 | the_enemy | which is a bit anal |
| 19:07.35 | the_enemy | That's my suspicion |
| 19:08.00 | compiler_success | oh well |
| 19:08.30 | compiler_success | is there something I could do? a flag or configure option perhaps? |
| 19:08.35 | Erroneous | mipspro is anal, so it's consistent :) |
| 19:08.38 | the_enemy | I can't see one. |
| 19:08.47 | the_enemy | --dontbesoanal |
| 19:08.48 | Erroneous | compiler_success: talk to brlcad |
| 19:09.25 | Erroneous | when he's here, of course |
| 19:09.33 | the_enemy | I fear you may have to wean cursesUI.cxx off stuff from <stdint.h> |
| 19:10.44 | compiler_success | lol the_enemy |
| 19:11.07 | compiler_success | Erroneous, yes, he has been very helpful previously. too bad he's not around |
| 19:11.51 | compiler_success | the_enemy, what if I specify C99 as the compiler |
| 19:12.17 | Erroneous | then the rest of bzflag will not compile :) |
| 19:13.03 | compiler_success | I want to compile bzadmin only |
| 19:13.28 | the_enemy | cursesui.cxx is a c++ file |
| 19:13.30 | Erroneous | bzadmin also is c++ |
| 19:13.33 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 19:15.47 | compiler_success | oh |
| 19:23.31 | the_enemy | you could cheat and find out where stdint.h is included, comment it out, and replace it with a bunch of typedefs |
| 19:23.36 | the_enemy | that's all stdint.h is really |
| 19:24.14 | compiler_success | I'm willing to try anything, tell me how to do that please |
| 19:24.17 | Erroneous | or you could cheat and define __c99 before including stdint.h, and undefine it again afterwards. I think it's just trying to protect the namespaces |
| 19:24.53 | the_enemy | Heh, yes, even better |
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| 19:27.09 | compiler_success | MIPSpro gives a warning about the C99 header files, but uses them nonetheless |
| 19:31.18 | compiler_success | non-std |
| 19:31.32 | compiler_success | Disables use of the standard C++ library and |
| 19:31.32 | compiler_success | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.40 | compiler_success | should I try that? |
| 19:32.25 | the_enemy | I doubt that would do what you need |
| 19:32.36 | compiler_success | ok |
| 20:09.05 | nvz | I guess I got to talk to the server admin about that burrow issue then |
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| 20:09.29 | tannerld | what burrow issue? |
| 20:10.14 | nvz | I just started playing again and I noticed it burrows way too far |
| 20:10.49 | nvz | bzflag2.noring.ca |
| 20:10.57 | nvz | is the only server I played on so far |
| 20:11.04 | nvz | I generally like to play the rabbit hunt |
| 20:12.53 | nvz | there is one new feature I seen that I cant try I guess because my video card sucks. the Anisotropic mode |
| 20:14.39 | nvz | I am surprised I can even play with this 32mb Riva TNT2 64 |
| 20:14.42 | tannerld | fox burrow? |
| 20:15.12 | nvz | on that server when you get a burrow flag you sink like 10 times too far and you cant see what you are doing |
| 20:15.32 | tannerld | probably, fox burrow - its supposed to be like that |
| 20:15.37 | nvz | I havent tried to see if it does it anywhere else.. they said the burrow depth is set server side |
| 20:15.52 | nvz | if its supposed to be like that its really lame |
| 20:15.52 | tannerld | it is |
| 20:16.01 | nvz | you cant see anything but glitches |
| 20:16.14 | nvz | the whole level falls apart once you burrow that low |
| 20:16.31 | tannerld | for the most part, yeah but there is that black space |
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| 20:20.46 | nvz | what happens on this server is the ground shakes, then the black part comes half way up the screen and above that I see the scenery that is around the level, then about 1/4 of the screen is the level at the top and I can no longer see the grass at all, its like the ground became transparent and I see the bottom of all the structures and the tanks floating way over head like they all have wings and are floating in mid air |
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| 20:22.19 | blast007 | nvz: you can also hit 'n' in game, and type /diff |
| 20:22.23 | nvz | the normal burrow depth puts your tank about half way under you can see the turret.. on there my turret is at least 4 tank heights _below_ the surface |
| 20:22.29 | blast007 | that will show what variables have been changed |
| 20:22.36 | nvz | blast007: ok, cool |
| 20:22.37 | blast007 | such as _burrowDepth |
| 20:22.59 | blast007 | default is -1.32 |
| 20:23.11 | nvz | the people on there say its been like that for a long time.. I dont know how they can stand to play like that |
| 20:23.28 | JeffM2501 | some people like wierd settings |
| 20:23.35 | nvz | I knew something was wrong because I used 2.0 not too long ago and I know it wasnt like that |
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| 20:23.44 | nvz | I just didnt know the server set the depth |
| 20:24.03 | JeffM2501 | server sets a lot of stuff :) |
| 20:24.13 | nvz | it makes the burrow flag more like a disability |
| 20:24.26 | nvz | sure nobody can see you down there, but you cant see them either |
| 20:24.35 | JeffM2501 | yay for 311.25$ in free data :) |
| 20:24.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah that may be the server owners intent |
| 20:24.45 | JeffM2501 | to make burrow into a bad flag |
| 20:24.51 | JeffM2501 | or more of a stealthy flag |
| 20:25.11 | nvz | JeffM2501: it cant be stealthy if it makes it nearly impossible to aim or hit anyone |
| 20:25.47 | nvz | how hard is it to make a level for bzflag? |
| 20:26.08 | JeffM2501 | maybe it not for stealty atack, but stealty defense :) |
| 20:26.15 | JeffM2501 | there are a number of map making tools |
| 20:26.25 | JeffM2501 | the dificulty depends on what you want to do |
| 20:26.40 | nvz | I'd like to give it a try I've not seen a decent level for rabbit chase in a while |
| 20:26.59 | JeffM2501 | what OS you on? |
| 20:27.04 | nvz | I used to like that one that was like 3x3 rooms |
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| 20:27.14 | nvz | I am using debian Sarge or Etch |
| 20:27.18 | nvz | this box is Etch |
| 20:27.33 | JeffM2501 | then you get blender, bzfed, or a text editor |
| 20:27.46 | nvz | man I cant understand blender for shit |
| 20:27.54 | JeffM2501 | language please |
| 20:27.55 | L4m3r | TEXT! :D |
| 20:28.06 | nvz | that thing makes me feel like I am in the cockpit of an alien spaceship |
| 20:28.09 | JeffM2501 | then there is a basic bz map editor called bzfed |
| 20:28.17 | tannerld | I could never get bzfed to work |
| 20:28.18 | JeffM2501 | we didn't make it or support it |
| 20:28.26 | JeffM2501 | or just edit the files by hand |
| 20:28.48 | Deepa | i make maps with notepad |
| 20:28.56 | nvz | yeah.. |
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| 20:29.11 | nvz | seems like it could be complicated making levels in an editor |
| 20:29.20 | Deepa | ow not at all |
| 20:29.20 | JeffM2501 | it's not |
| 20:29.25 | Deepa | its just a matter of making random stuff here and there |
| 20:29.27 | zee066 | hi |
| 20:29.32 | tannerld | lol |
| 20:29.48 | JeffM2501 | last I heard , windows bzedit dosn't run on wine, IIRC |
| 20:30.09 | Deepa | what about cedega then? |
| 20:30.16 | nvz | I'd rather do them by hand if I knew what I was doing I am not much for graphical design anyhow |
| 20:30.19 | JeffM2501 | cedega? |
| 20:30.27 | nvz | cedega is what they call winex now |
| 20:30.28 | zee066 | hi |
| 20:30.32 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 20:30.35 | razer | dude |
| 20:30.40 | JeffM2501 | somone would have to try it |
| 20:30.40 | razer | do what i said |
| 20:30.42 | nvz | its wine+directx support basically |
| 20:30.47 | zee066 | ok. |
| 20:30.51 | Erroneous | cedega forked before the wine bug in question was introduced, so it's possible it would work |
| 20:30.52 | Deepa | nvz: yep |
| 20:30.52 | JeffM2501 | bzedit dosnt' use direct X |
| 20:30.58 | ruskie | it's wine+copyprotection drm crud |
| 20:31.02 | razer | newnick |
| 20:31.05 | nvz | heh |
| 20:31.05 | Deepa | yet it sometimes working better |
| 20:31.15 | ruskie | normal wine runs a LOT of stuff without a prob |
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| 20:31.19 | zee066 | ok |
| 20:31.31 | nvz | I cant think of anything I would want to run |
| 20:31.34 | JeffM2501 | my last editor worked under wine, wonder if just upgrading bzedit to MFC 7.1 would help |
| 20:31.36 | Erroneous | it works differently. wine is better for most things these days. |
| 20:31.39 | nvz | I used it to run Rodents Revenge |
| 20:31.46 | nvz | but I am pretty much over that game |
| 20:31.49 | L4m3r | lol |
| 20:31.53 | L4m3r | that's an oldie |
| 20:31.54 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, powerpainter ran under wine right? |
| 20:31.58 | nvz | most games I still play run in dosbox |
| 20:32.00 | Erroneous | beats me |
| 20:32.04 | razer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.05 | nvz | like supaplex, stratego..etc |
| 20:32.06 | JeffM2501 | I thought you had tested it |
| 20:32.16 | JeffM2501 | I can't remember anymore |
| 20:32.16 | Erroneous | I never tried powerpainter |
| 20:32.24 | Erroneous | on any platform :) |
| 20:32.26 | JeffM2501 | I must be getin old |
| 20:32.33 | zee066 | r |
| 20:32.34 | razer | ?? |
| 20:32.36 | zee066 | r |
| 20:33.04 | Erroneous | old is when you can't remember things that did happen...making stuff up that didn't happen is just crazy, not old ;) |
| 20:33.09 | nvz | JeffM2501: we're all getting old.. happens every minute. |
| 20:33.22 | JeffM2501 | oh well I've been crazy for a while then |
| 20:33.39 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, a couple of people did test it, I thought somone did it under wine |
| 20:33.43 | JeffM2501 | it may just not have been you. |
| 20:33.47 | Erroneous | it's possible |
| 20:34.09 | Erroneous | but just about nothing that uses opengl with a viewport smaller than the top-level window containing it will work |
| 20:34.12 | nvz | I'd like to have a joystick to play with right now.. but I dont have any tools or money to buy an adapter for this playstation controller |
| 20:34.24 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:34.25 | nvz | if I had a parallel cable I might be able to rig it up |
| 20:34.30 | L4m3r | JeffM2501: being old and crazy beats just being crazy without an excuse... |
| 20:34.35 | JeffM2501 | well I did it a difrent way for power painter |
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| 20:34.46 | JeffM2501 | thats why I was wondering |
| 20:34.47 | Erroneous | weren't you rendering your own widgets? |
| 20:34.52 | JeffM2501 | just for that list |
| 20:34.54 | Erroneous | ah |
| 20:35.06 | JeffM2501 | but bzedit does a double nested window thing |
| 20:35.10 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 20:35.11 | JeffM2501 | I did n't do that for PP |
| 20:35.17 | JeffM2501 | the main view is a contect |
| 20:35.20 | JeffM2501 | made it simpler |
| 20:35.56 | JeffM2501 | so realy the viewport IS the same as the top level window |
| 20:36.01 | Erroneous | cool |
| 20:36.03 | Erroneous | might work then |
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| 20:37.23 | JeffM2501 | PP does a lot of less wacky stuff too :) |
| 20:37.50 | JeffM2501 | must be thrusday |
| 20:38.24 | Erroneous | why is that? |
| 20:38.37 | JeffM2501 | mike makes many bugs :) |
| 20:38.47 | Erroneous | he's gotta be hatin' me about now, I've filed 16 bugs for him in the last two days |
| 20:38.49 | JeffM2501 | it was a joke :) |
| 20:38.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:38.55 | Erroneous | ahh |
| 20:39.08 | JeffM2501 | he's a smart man, just slopy sometimes |
| 20:39.11 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 20:39.23 | Erroneous | he's pretty responsive too |
| 20:39.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:39.34 | Erroneous | just doesn't think much about related issues |
| 20:40.13 | Erroneous | so you have to be realllly detailed about what's broken. he just ignores stuff like "please verify that no other plugins have similar behavior" |
| 20:41.13 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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