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00:52.18Gnurduxwhoa
00:52.21Gnurduxlilo died?
00:52.55Gnurduxhes still on freenode
00:53.06Gnurduxat least his client is
00:54.02Theme97* [lilo] is away (Whoops, I've stepped away. [...]
00:54.30Gnurduxhttp://freenode.net/news.shtml
01:00.44shorty114Gnurdux: apparently it's just idling
01:00.52shorty114his lasting memory
01:01.01Gnurduxah
01:09.29SportChickGnurdux: http://pastebin.ca/173572
01:10.23Gnurduxcyall later
01:10.30Gnurduxim sorry to hear about lilo
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03:56.34SportChickJeffM2501: do you have a moment for a windows question?
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04:34.20JeffM2501sure
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17:47.52JeffM2501ok so windows media center == not so bad
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17:51.47CBGhow was your bithday in the end, JeffM2501 ?
17:51.58CBGsince it was morning fo you when I asked before :/
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17:58.14JeffM2501it was a day
17:58.51JeffM2501bunch of people here at work took me out to lunch
17:58.52JeffM2501it was fun
17:59.05JeffM2501then went to a friends house and played lego star wars 2
17:59.15[dmp]:)
17:59.21CBGgood good :)
17:59.23CBGheh
18:08.27blast007JeffM2501: yeah, media center is pretty cool
18:08.42JeffM2501this new laptop even came with a little remote for it
18:08.50blast007would be cooler if I had tried it with a TV card though  ;)
18:08.52JeffM2501that fits in one of the PC express slots
18:09.15blast007does that lappy have a tuner too?
18:10.00JeffM2501no
18:10.03JeffM2501just TV out
18:10.18JeffM2501tho I'm sure there are many USB tuners
18:10.35blast007yeah
18:11.22JeffM2501and I can't complain about a 500$ laptop
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20:00.36JeffM2501good lord does HP install a mess of crap on there machines
20:03.18CBG'mess of crap' heh
20:03.37JeffM2501I've uninstalled like 45 things so far
20:03.56CBGwow
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20:07.39JeffM2501mostly crap like AOL, and offers for ISPs
20:08.40CBG"Microsoft Auto Update" Auto-Installed itself on my mac. That didn't last long.
20:09.41JeffM2501my mini came with a bunch of crap I had to uninstall as well
20:09.56CBGoh? such as?
20:10.03JeffM2501I do wish OS installers would say "I notice your like on the internet already... never mind"
20:10.08JeffM2501same AOL offers :)
20:10.24CBGheh
20:10.44JeffM2501realy wanting me to sign up for apple care, and .mac stuff
20:11.10CBGApplecare is just one thing you either go for or you don't.
20:11.26CBGI would guess switchers would choose not to and fix any problems themselves.
20:11.45CBGSince if you do that and have applecare, it can make the applecare void.
20:12.11JeffM2501didn't seem worth it on a mini
20:12.24JeffM2501and I'm not a swicher
20:12.33CBGprobably about a quater the cost of the machine?
20:12.51JeffM2501and I voided that waranty as soon as I got it
20:12.55CBGWell, I meant "people who care fairly competent at fixing computers..." ")
20:13.07JeffM2501ain't payin apple 250$ to install a 100$ dimm
20:13.41JeffM2501I probably should replace the drive soon too
20:13.48CBGIf I wanted to upgrade my internal HD (only 30 GB) I would have to pay over the odds for a new HD through the apple shop, then get their engineer to fit it too, for another £50. :/
20:13.50JeffM250140 is geting a bit full
20:14.11CBGSo if I got a 100GB drive, I would end up paying twice as much.
20:14.20JeffM2501so put it in yourself
20:14.22CBG(compared to buying one elsewhere and fitting myself)
20:14.32CBGbut that would void my applecare, iirc
20:14.43CBGso I'm just getting an external, saves the hassle
20:14.47JeffM2501hence why it wasn't worth it
20:14.53CBGyeah
20:14.53JeffM2501yeah but you loose a lot of speed
20:14.58JeffM2501it USB or firewire?
20:15.14CBGthe one I want: both
20:15.28CBG7200rpm too.
20:15.48JeffM2501firewire will loose you the least speed
20:16.01CBGI dunno much about hard drives, but I read an indepedent review that said it was pretty fast.
20:16.11JeffM25017200 is prety fast
20:16.28JeffM2501but since you go thru an IDE -> firewire/USB bridge, it looses some speed
20:16.33JeffM2501firewire is faster then usb
20:16.34CBGThe only con they listed was that it was designed to go under a mac mini (you know, one of those stackable types) and that it wouldn't do that with any other machine. :|
20:16.41JeffM2501but they are not as fast as installing it inside
20:16.49CBGWell, USB2 > Firewire 400
20:16.59JeffM2501sure in thery ;)
20:17.05CBGhehe :)
20:17.07purple_cowdepends on the application :P
20:17.27CBGUSB2 is supposed to be 480 in whatever units, right?
20:17.32JeffM2501firewire usualy dosn't chain, and external drives usualy get closer to there max using firewire
20:17.33CBGand firewire 400 is .... 400.
20:17.57JeffM2501firewire was first designed for streaming large amounts of data
20:17.59CBGTheres a firewire 800 right? Don't think I saw any drives with that, and I looked at quite a few.
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20:18.06JeffM2501your lapy should be FW2
20:18.31CBGIt's 18 months old, remember, and the cheapest one available at the time.
20:18.44JeffM2501yeah FW2 has been out for years and years
20:18.52CBGAhha, ok.
20:18.58JeffM2501we used to use an external USB2 drive to backup one of our larger databases
20:19.08JeffM2501we put that drive in a firewire 1 case, with a firewire 1 card
20:19.18JeffM2501it now copys in 1/20th the time.
20:19.21CBGBut I would need a drive that can work with FW2 too?
20:19.29JeffM2501no it's not the drive, it's the case
20:19.37CBGMy System Profile only has one thing under FireWire: 400 Mb/s
20:19.39JeffM2501the drive is still IDE
20:19.50gsneddersCBG: FW 400 has a higher sustained speed. USB 2.0 has a higher burst speed.
20:19.53JeffM2501the case takes IDE and bumps it to firewire or USB
20:20.00CBGwell, same thing to me since I am buying a prebuilt one
20:20.01JeffM2501your going to get a mini buddy?
20:20.10CBGI looked at building my own but decided to play it safer.
20:20.11JeffM2501it's got a built in hub
20:20.15JeffM2501that will suck bandwith
20:20.22JeffM2501ohh cases are cheap and easy
20:20.25CBGgsnedders: ah, right
20:20.40JeffM2501spend 40$ on a 3.5 inch external thermaltake enclosure
20:20.48JeffM2501and then 100$ on a 300 gig drive
20:20.56gsneddersCBG: 400 Mb/s is sustained for FW400, 480 Mb/s is burst for USB 2.0
20:20.56JeffM2501you don't need a laptop drive
20:20.56CBGJeffM2501: I couldn't see any huge difference in price, and I would have had to find cases and drives compatible, etc.
20:21.07CBGI've never done anything like that before, a prebuilt one is fine for me.
20:21.28CBGgsnedders: what can be sustained by USB2?
20:21.44JeffM2501CBG, its' simple, I can tell you waht to get
20:21.49gsneddersCBG: I'm not completely sure. I know it's under 400 Mb/s though
20:22.02CBGJeffM2501: this one is on ebay, ends in 5 mins :)
20:22.05CBGgsnedders: ah, ok
20:22.27CBGJeffM2501: I had ATD explain to me too, but, really, I'm happy to get a prebuilt one like all the other suckers :)
20:22.39JeffM2501CBG, just buy new. I can help you if you want
20:22.46gsneddersCBG: heh. I have a 500GB FW800 HD for backup :P
20:22.52CBGwow, nice :)
20:22.56CBGhttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&item=330027708464&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
20:23.07CBG£77 (about $160) with 5 mins left
20:23.34CBGlots of FW and USB(2) ports, 250GB, 7200rpm, seems like a good seller...
20:24.30gsneddersCBG: I have 500GB storage internally to back up :P
20:24.56CBGheh
20:28.33CBG90 secs - no new bids...
20:28.43JeffM2501dosnt' mean your the only sniper :)
20:28.46CBGshould be mine unless someone else snipes higher
20:28.58JeffM2501or your snipe bid won't be under somone's max bid
20:29.41CBGcould be
20:29.50CBGah, new bid, £10 less than my snipe
20:29.57CBGahhh, outbid
20:30.00CBGwith 3 secs left
20:30.11CBGby £6. a fellow sniper
20:30.30CBGWell, that's fine, I was sniping at my max.
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