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| 01:54.39 | AAA_awright | ~bzfquery bzflag.redjacket.ws:5154 |
| 01:55.32 | AAA_awright | ~bzfquery bzflag.redjacket.ws:5154 |
| 01:55.32 | AAA_awright | *knocks* ibot? |
| 01:55.32 | AAA_awright | anyone home? |
| 01:55.32 | Mr_Molez | ibot: ping |
| 01:55.38 | ibot | pong |
| 01:55.38 | AAA_awright | ~joke |
| 01:55.41 | ibot | A bhuddist monk goes to a hot dog vendor and says "Make me one with everything!" |
| 01:55.50 | AAA_awright | hm. |
| 01:56.06 | Mr_Molez | ~bzfquery bzflag.redjacket.ws:5154 |
| 01:56.32 | AAA_awright | ~bzfquery bzflag.redjacket.ws:5154 |
| 01:56.45 | AAA_awright | Oh... thanks ibot |
| 01:57.58 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 01:59.20 | AAA_awright | ~joke |
| 01:59.21 | ibot | What's a chicken coupe with 4 doors - a Chicken Sedan! |
| 01:59.36 | AAA_awright | Can't you get any new jokes? come on... |
| 02:01.38 | spldart | Haha /Nelson |
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| 07:37.37 | storyteller | Hello all |
| 07:37.57 | Skeeve | Moin |
| 07:37.59 | delusional | tell me a bedtime story |
| 07:38.23 | sicshooter | sorry bout that lol |
| 07:38.32 | Skeeve | bedtime stories are available at www.benjamin-bluemchen.de |
| 07:39.04 | sicshooter | I'm having a bit of trouble getting a working client onm a brand new Enpower laptop |
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| 07:39.56 | sicshooter | The right half of my screen shows background tiles instead of buildings/tanks/etc |
| 07:40.33 | Skeeve | We already had that in the forum some time ago. |
| 07:40.41 | sicshooter | I treid the archlinux binary and cvs clients, both behave the same |
| 07:40.45 | Skeeve | I don't remember whether or not it was fixed |
| 07:41.06 | Skeeve | try the forum, sicshooter |
| 07:41.13 | sicshooter | Hmmm...thank you :) |
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| 08:04.41 | sicshooter | This is rather bizarre...the left 2/3 of my screen displays normally, except for playing surfaces higher then the one my tank is on show only the background tiles. The right 1/3 of my screen displays the ground and levels above my tank normally, but the same level as my tank is only background tiles. |
| 08:10.05 | delusional | nasty attempt to create realistic looking fire, 151.201.119.31:5157 I got some good things going, but it still needs lots of work |
| 08:10.24 | delusional | one of those things i could work on forever |
| 08:10.52 | delusional | fire |
| 08:15.59 | sicshooter | Aha! Fixed my issue by adding: set geometry 1024x768 to my .config file :) |
| 08:16.34 | delusional | there's been alot of that going around |
| 08:18.24 | sicshooter | config.cfg file rather |
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| 09:45.04 | Skeeve | ~wake spldart |
| 09:45.17 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on spldart and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 09:49.28 | Skeeve | ~wake everybody |
| 09:49.35 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on everybody and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
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| 11:03.14 | compiler_success | hello |
| 11:03.30 | compiler_success | ~greet |
| 11:03.31 | ibot | ACTION says Hi with a smile |
| 11:40.19 | spldart | And Skeeve quits before I wake :( |
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| 11:54.29 | Skeeve | ~wake everyone |
| 11:54.36 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on everyone and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 11:55.12 | Skeeve | You read my /msg? |
| 11:55.24 | spldart | yep |
| 11:55.40 | spldart | I was collecting notes myself but don't have anything for proof yet |
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| 12:11.30 | spldart | time to go to work cyah's :) |
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| 12:35.27 | ToughShooter | ~logs |
| 12:35.47 | ibot | i guess logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
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| 14:27.10 | Mr_Molez | ~dns us.openleague.org |
| 14:27.20 | Mr_Molez | ~dns cbg.bzflag.org |
| 14:27.34 | Mr_Molez | ~dns cbg.openleague.org |
| 14:28.24 | CBG | ~Mr_Molez++ |
| 14:33.06 | spldart | ?:-| |
| 14:37.53 | compiler_success | Mr_Molez, lots of lookups |
| 14:38.56 | compiler_success | CBG, is that the address of your server? |
| 14:39.10 | CBG | compiler_success: not strictly MY server, but, yeah :) |
| 14:39.25 | compiler_success | okaty righty |
| 14:39.36 | CBG | My OpenLeague BZFS Server is at cbg.bzflag.org:7890 |
| 14:39.45 | compiler_success | 7890, noted |
| 14:39.48 | CBG | but cbg.openleague.org == cbg.bzflag.org so, yeah. :P |
| 14:42.08 | compiler_success | all teams are full? |
| 14:42.20 | CBG | o.O uhh |
| 14:42.30 | compiler_success | can join nothing |
| 14:42.40 | CBG | ~bzfquery cbg.bzflag.org:7890 |
| 14:42.58 | CBG | I can join. |
| 14:43.09 | compiler_success | oh, I need to register my callsign |
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| 15:12.15 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: ping |
| 15:12.46 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: pong |
| 15:13.39 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: Why seems -a with high values to be hardcoded in 2.1 |
| 15:14.14 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: high values are low limits. it's coded as a default as an anti-me measure iirc |
| 15:14.29 | DTRemenak | it can be turned off with -a 0 0 |
| 15:14.33 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: Umm, no |
| 15:14.48 | ToughShooter | it errors on -a 0 0 |
| 15:15.31 | ToughShooter | I can understand that is a good idea for non-jumping servers but for jumping ones? :o |
| 15:16.48 | DTRemenak | -a 0 0 should not error |
| 15:16.54 | DTRemenak | what does it say? |
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| 15:17.20 | ToughShooter | Wait..I need to compile :/ |
| 15:18.52 | ToughShooter | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/161539 |
| 15:19.25 | ToughShooter | Why hardcode it for jumping servers? |
| 15:19.59 | CBG | -a totally screws up jumping. |
| 15:20.05 | ToughShooter | There are leagues that only use -a 0 0 because it would otherwhise break jumping to a certain degree |
| 15:20.56 | orange | I've never had trouble jumping on accel limited servers that allow jumping |
| 15:21.02 | orange | I hit tab, and boom, my tank jumps ;-) |
| 15:21.50 | CBG | orange: try a second jump, when you land. |
| 15:21.54 | orange | still jumps |
| 15:21.55 | ToughShooter | When you jump and hold down tab key until the next jump you will notice it most |
| 15:22.03 | ToughShooter | The tank only has contact to the ground for very few frames |
| 15:22.04 | orange | you may not like *how* it jumps |
| 15:22.18 | CBG | orange: in what direction? |
| 15:22.19 | orange | but it changes the game, just like any other physics change would |
| 15:22.20 | CBG | orange: exactly. |
| 15:22.21 | ToughShooter | So it is highly FPS-dependend |
| 15:22.23 | orange | CBG: up |
| 15:22.51 | ToughShooter | All tanks move different in this situation when you change the cursor position |
| 15:23.05 | CBG | If accel limits are hard coded to jump servers, the only players ever on a jumping server will be noobs. :| |
| 15:23.16 | CBG | It's horrendous. |
| 15:23.17 | orange | nonsense... it is just something else to work around |
| 15:23.20 | orange | people adjust |
| 15:23.25 | CBG | sure... :| |
| 15:23.35 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: Did you see the pastebinned result? |
| 15:23.52 | CBG | having almost zero control over jumping? How do you adjust to that? lol |
| 15:24.03 | orange | CBG: by driving before you jump again, of course |
| 15:24.04 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: use bzdb on HEAD |
| 15:24.10 | ToughShooter | You need to stay at ground |
| 15:24.21 | CBG | orange: you're crazy |
| 15:24.41 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: Oh, this is a bzdb variable then? |
| 15:24.56 | DTRemenak | it got moved there, yes |
| 15:25.06 | DTRemenak | and it seems someone removed the old switches that are now in bzdb |
| 15:25.24 | Mr_Molez | mouse accel limits should be removed all together |
| 15:26.24 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: Hmm, that should be documented |
| 15:26.29 | compiler_success | Mr_Molez, I noticed, its faster when moving with the mouse |
| 15:26.36 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: yup, it should |
| 15:26.42 | Mr_Molez | compiler_success: no its exactly the same |
| 15:26.42 | DTRemenak | pw |
| 15:26.44 | menotume | mouse accel USERS should be removed all together |
| 15:26.47 | menotume | :P |
| 15:26.53 | ToughShooter | Or at least it should print a huge warning every time one starts a jumping server without changing the variable |
| 15:27.07 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: it used to print a huge warning |
| 15:27.14 | compiler_success | then what is the meaning of: <Mr_Molez> mouse accel limits should be removed all together |
| 15:27.15 | ToughShooter | menotume: Aww |
| 15:27.16 | DTRemenak | telling you to use -a 0 0 |
| 15:27.28 | ToughShooter | How do I move my mouse then? |
| 15:27.37 | DTRemenak | whoever removed it, didn't set everything back up again the same |
| 15:27.48 | Mr_Molez | compiler_success: accel limits slows down how fast your tank moves from speed 0 to full speed |
| 15:28.02 | compiler_success | I see |
| 15:28.23 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: It recommends using -a with values other than 0 0 in v2_0branch on jumpy servers which is just wrong |
| 15:28.42 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: some people like -a on jumping servers |
| 15:29.03 | DTRemenak | prevents bunny-hopping |
| 15:29.20 | menotume | compiler_success: some would like no accel limit, allowing tank to instantly acheive full speed, unlike a real tank, and unhealthy for a netwrok game :) |
| 15:29.21 | orange | right |
| 15:29.21 | Mr_Molez | doesn't prevent anything if you have low fps :p |
| 15:29.49 | ToughShooter | My main concern is that is not identical for all players |
| 15:29.53 | Mr_Molez | menotume: with -a limits if you have low fps, it cancels out -a |
| 15:30.10 | Mr_Molez | so its useless and just causes more of a problem :P |
| 15:30.12 | menotume | yes, i know how some like to 'tweak' :) |
| 15:30.33 | Mr_Molez | where as before people knew they have to get their mouse really fast now they know they need their mouse really fast and to have low fps (energy saver) |
| 15:31.17 | orange | I use energy saver because it keeps my frame rate constant, rather than fluctuating due to other load on my machine |
| 15:31.23 | menotume | good. make them suffer, i say :) |
| 15:31.45 | Mr_Molez | menotume: hardly suffering if you cancel our -a :P |
| 15:31.49 | Mr_Molez | *out |
| 15:36.13 | compiler_success | menotume, thanks |
| 15:37.03 | Mr_Molez | compiler_success: btw with using keyboard you instaly acchieve full speed |
| 15:37.11 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: Personally I have a problem with my tank behaving different with the same standard setting, only when the map is different |
| 15:37.29 | compiler_success | I specified the -q option in the bzfs configuration, but still the server is listed in the public list and people join (not that I'm complaining) |
| 15:38.37 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: What's the name of the BZDB var? |
| 15:38.52 | ToughShooter | The variable 'a' does not seem to exist |
| 15:39.24 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: accsomething probably |
| 15:39.26 | DTRemenak | use /set to list them |
| 15:39.46 | DTRemenak | compiler_success: -q tells your server not to respond to LAN pings |
| 15:39.54 | DTRemenak | has no effect on public servers |
| 15:40.03 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: I browsed bzdbcache and found nothing appropriate |
| 15:40.16 | DTRemenak | bzdbcache is only a tiny fraction of bzdb variables |
| 15:40.21 | DTRemenak | it's likely uncached |
| 15:41.04 | menotume | with using k/b you do NOT instantly acheive full speed |
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| 15:43.36 | compiler_success | thanks DTRemenak |
| 15:44.04 | DTRemenak | compiler_success: np |
| 15:44.39 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: they were moved recently, and I'm not sure whereto :) |
| 15:44.47 | ToughShooter | heh |
| 15:45.12 | compiler_success | one last thing please, I specified the -st 40 , but the bad flags stick forever (I also specified -sw 1) so players can only loose the bad flags after they shoot someone else |
| 15:47.02 | DTRemenak | compiler_success: sounds like a bug maybe |
| 15:47.22 | compiler_success | running latest bzfs, on irix 6.5 |
| 15:48.03 | ToughShooter | Still nothing appropriate found |
| 15:48.18 | compiler_success | does the order in the config file matter? would make any difference to specify one option before another? |
| 15:48.22 | ToughShooter | I guess turned off acc limits have gone to /dev/null :x |
| 15:48.58 | compiler_success | would + it |
| 15:50.07 | DTRemenak | compiler_success: shouldn't matter, no |
| 15:50.21 | compiler_success | ok, thanks again |
| 15:53.50 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: _inertiaLinear and _inertiaAngular |
| 15:54.41 | ToughShooter | hmm |
| 15:54.53 | ToughShooter | Wasn't intertia old stuff? |
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| 15:55.19 | DTRemenak | inertia is just a physics term |
| 15:55.40 | DTRemenak | inertia creates limits on acceleration, based on mass in the real world, abitrarily in bz |
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| 16:01.30 | ToughShooter | Ah, right, it's the moved thingy. Now my config isn't backward compatible to 2.0.x ;) |
| 16:01.57 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 16:02.01 | DTRemenak | and it's likely to get worse ;) |
| 16:02.41 | trepan | plans within plans? |
| 16:02.56 | DTRemenak | sub-plans |
| 16:03.55 | JeffM2501 | we copythe config for 2.2 right? |
| 16:04.15 | DTRemenak | client |
| 16:04.20 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter is speaking of server |
| 16:04.23 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
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| 16:11.22 | compiler_success | I think I found another bug (probably specific to the mips port) |
| 16:12.46 | compiler_success | I specified "-sl WG 5" , now this should make tanks with the wings flag able to flap 5 times in a row.. |
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| 16:13.35 | compiler_success | what happens, instead, is that the number of shots (in this case, flaps) is not affected, I can only flap once at a time. What is affected, is the number of the actual shots, after I shoot five times, the wings flag auto drops |
| 16:13.47 | DTRemenak | that is the correct behavior |
| 16:13.51 | DTRemenak | sl is shot limit |
| 16:13.55 | DTRemenak | you have five shots |
| 16:14.00 | DTRemenak | and then your flag drops |
| 16:14.07 | compiler_success | -sl WG 5 |
| 16:14.12 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 16:14.23 | DTRemenak | that says you may only shoot 5 times while holding wings |
| 16:14.31 | compiler_success | what is a "shot" for the wing flag? I thought its the "flap" |
| 16:14.37 | DTRemenak | it's a shot |
| 16:14.39 | compiler_success | I see |
| 16:14.42 | DTRemenak | shots are shots the world over :) |
| 16:14.55 | DTRemenak | if you want more than one jump, use /set _wingsJumpCount |
| 16:14.57 | JeffM2501 | click the button == a shot |
| 16:14.58 | compiler_success | then how can I make the flaps for the wings more than only one? |
| 16:15.05 | compiler_success | I see |
| 16:15.20 | DTRemenak | or -set _wingsJumpCount 5 from your config |
| 16:15.56 | compiler_success | thanks DTRemenak, you're big help |
| 16:16.15 | DTRemenak | no problem |
| 16:17.35 | compiler_success | it won't work, syntax problem. very sorry |
| 16:17.54 | compiler_success | is it (-set_wingsJumpCount 15) ? |
| 16:18.04 | ToughShooter | no |
| 16:18.14 | ToughShooter | -set _wingsJumpCount 15 |
| 16:18.20 | ToughShooter | Don't forget the space ;) |
| 16:18.52 | compiler_success | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.27 | compiler_success | 219.95.187.146:5154 |
| 16:25.52 | fiveofoh | Hee hee, I've seen those before. Crazy. |
| 16:25.58 | fiveofoh | *nm* |
| 16:26.06 | fiveofoh | wrong channel |
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| 17:20.23 | TheBarron | so why do some of the game settings get saved in a bzw, but not all of them? |
| 17:20.48 | trepan | because |
| 17:21.42 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:22.28 | trepan | TheBarron: they aren't available over the wire |
| 17:23.01 | trepan | some things only the server needs to know |
| 17:23.12 | TheBarron | I guess that kinda makes sense.. |
| 17:23.20 | orange | password ;-) |
| 17:24.00 | trepan | you're lucky to even get zones and weapons saved, someone had to add that |
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| 17:43.49 | Mr_Molez | |zongo|: hey :) |
| 17:44.40 | Mr_Molez | |zongo|: im not sure if you noticed or not so ill tell you :P.. the homepage (showing top 10) shows different scores than the contest page |
| 17:45.04 | Mr_Molez | it aint really a biggy i suppose :P |
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| 17:49.41 | snsn | hey |
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| 18:28.52 | |zongo| | Mr_Molez, homepage shows contest and official games together, so it's normal |
| 18:44.37 | Mr_Molez | oh they are different rankings arnt they, lol ignore me :P |
| 18:56.59 | Skeeve | Hammertime? SLEDGE Hammer? |
| 18:58.37 | purple_cow | you don't know what hammertime is? |
| 19:00.26 | Skeeve | Seems so |
| 19:00.36 | Skeeve | You didn't know Milka, did you? ;-) |
| 19:01.59 | Skeeve | so what *is* hammertime? |
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| 19:04.12 | spldart | I thought you were a moldy oldy like me :) |
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| 19:04.27 | Skeeve | But I'm German |
| 19:04.33 | spldart | M.C. Hammer.... Pop rap and talentless icon |
| 19:05.02 | Skeeve | talentles? Then I sure don't know him |
| 19:05.03 | spldart | popular in the 80's |
| 19:05.09 | Skeeve | Rap I don't like |
| 19:05.27 | spldart | well... the thing is he was huge and on tv all over the world doing interview and guest spots hehe |
| 19:05.59 | Bz_Win | 'ello |
| 19:06.02 | Skeeve | In the 80s I just started listening to Pop music |
| 19:06.31 | Skeeve | Abba, Kraftwerk and "Neue deutsche Welle" (Nena 99 red baloons) |
| 19:06.51 | Skeeve | Ah An of course Jean Michel Jarre with Oxygene and Equinoxe |
| 19:07.24 | spldart | Nena! I liked them |
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| 19:09.48 | Skeeve | Oh! While talking of the 80s... Isn't "Blue Eyes" by Elton John also from the 80s? |
| 19:14.34 | Skeeve | Shell I let you die a second time? |
| 19:19.52 | Skeeve | *Shall |
| 19:19.59 | Skeeve | Too much Unix today |
| 19:20.24 | spldart | heh |
| 19:20.33 | spldart | to much Sansui here today |
| 19:20.54 | Skeeve | Whatever that may be |
| 19:21.09 | Skeeve | Now here comes your next toxic contamination |
| 19:21.21 | Skeeve | David Hasselhoff "I've been looking for freedom" |
| 19:27.11 | spldart | BAN HIM! |
| 19:27.13 | spldart | heh |
| 19:27.40 | Skeeve | ;-) |
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| 19:36.18 | TheBarron | where is CBG ? |
| 19:36.35 | CBG | He's away at the moment, can I take a message? |
| 19:36.56 | TheBarron | no |
| 19:37.02 | TheBarron | tk'er on hepcat |
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| 19:37.24 | CBG | Ok, I'll be sure to pass the message on to the little prick. |
| 19:37.37 | TheBarron | tell him to piss off, while you're at it ;) |
| 19:37.38 | CBG | Maybe the prick can spare you a few moments later, if he's not too much of a prick. |
| 19:37.48 | CBG | Oi, Language. |
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| 19:39.15 | TheBarron | thank you, anyway |
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| 19:44.42 | spldart | Locate sanity | grep #bzflag |
| 19:44.58 | spldart | $ |
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| 20:08.21 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o GvzEvxre] by ChanServ |
| 20:14.10 | CBG | Heh, I just found a "sanity check" in bzflag. :) |
| 20:15.12 | brlcad | there are lots of them |
| 20:15.49 | CBG | i just found it amusing. :) |
| 20:22.32 | DTRemenak | never know when a machine might be insane |
| 20:25.22 | brlcad | and you can generally be guaranteed that your fellow developers are all insane from time to time |
| 20:30.05 | DTRemenak | indeed |
| 20:30.18 | DTRemenak | some more often than others |
| 20:31.02 | CBG | hehe |
| 20:31.48 | spldart | heh |
| 20:35.11 | brlcad | and that emenak fellow.. he's always data terminal ready? what's up with that? crazyness. |
| 20:36.30 | DTRemenak | always DTR, indeed |
| 20:38.37 | JeffM2501 | oh, so NOW you tell me |
| 20:38.43 | JeffM2501 | no modem for the mad dtremenak |
| 20:38.52 | orchid | aww |
| 20:39.25 | JeffM2501 | ok, a modem, but one of those wierd radio shack power supplies |
| 20:39.53 | JeffM2501 | asuming I remember it tomorow |
| 20:40.12 | JeffM2501 | and he shodn't be mad, it's like slow slow day today |
| 20:40.59 | JeffM2501 | and his boss isn't even gonna be here tomorow |
| 20:42.43 | orange | JeffM2501: I have verified that the 'extra' permission for the timelimit plugin (TIMELIMIT) doesn't work in the DISCONNECTED group |
| 20:42.46 | orange | everything else seems to work great |
| 20:42.51 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 20:42.52 | orange | I know those are handled differently |
| 20:42.56 | JeffM2501 | they are |
| 20:43.06 | orange | in this particular instance... |
| 20:43.08 | orange | it isn't a huge deal |
| 20:43.16 | orange | because giving /timelimit to EVERYONE is actually OK |
| 20:43.17 | JeffM2501 | so it's only reading the standards... let me see |
| 20:43.19 | orange | no real harm in it |
| 20:43.28 | orange | yeah, but it may hurt other people's plugin perms |
| 20:43.36 | JeffM2501 | let me look real quick |
| 20:43.41 | JeffM2501 | not like I'm doing real work today |
| 20:43.46 | orange | hehe |
| 20:43.53 | JeffM2501 | most everyone is at IMTS |
| 20:44.04 | orange | I have a test server where I can easily check it out, but only anon cvs access |
| 20:45.09 | orange | there's a commented out debug |
| 20:45.20 | orange | where it used to say 'invalid' |
| 20:45.39 | Skeeve | Qhy does /silence not work? |
| 20:45.48 | orange | groupdb: Cannot set unknown permission |
| 20:45.53 | orange | in Permissions.cxx |
| 20:46.06 | orange | info.customPerms.push_back(word); |
| 20:46.08 | orange | then that |
| 20:46.34 | JeffM2501 | ahah |
| 20:46.44 | JeffM2501 | naw I found it |
| 20:47.03 | JeffM2501 | I only modified hasperm, not hasCustomPerm |
| 20:47.24 | orange | ahh |
| 20:47.48 | DTRemenak | it is a slow day today, a slow day indeed |
| 20:47.56 | DTRemenak | perhaps that is what is driving me mad ;) |
| 20:47.58 | JeffM2501 | ok it's a simple fix it looks like |
| 20:48.57 | orange | Pimpi: ping |
| 20:48.59 | JeffM2501 | go find boolPlayerAccessInfo::hasCustomPerm(const char* right) const |
| 20:49.05 | DTRemenak | wow, nobody tested custom perms? |
| 20:49.06 | JeffM2501 | in Permisions.cxx |
| 20:49.06 | orange | I'm there |
| 20:49.18 | JeffM2501 | dtremenaknot with the disabled group |
| 20:49.21 | orange | DTRemenak: this is the special 'disconnected' group |
| 20:49.23 | DTRemenak | ahh |
| 20:49.41 | JeffM2501 | pastebin is being a bastard |
| 20:49.43 | JeffM2501 | one sec |
| 20:50.39 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/Permissions.cxx: check disco group when checking for custom perms. |
| 20:51.26 | JeffM2501 | then add this |
| 20:51.26 | JeffM2501 | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/161811 |
| 20:51.30 | JeffM2501 | to the end of the function |
| 20:51.36 | JeffM2501 | before the last } |
| 20:51.48 | JeffM2501 | that should do what ya need |
| 20:52.03 | orange | before the return? |
| 20:52.04 | JeffM2501 | I forgot they were seperate tests |
| 20:52.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:54.32 | orange | works like a charm.. thanks JeffM2501 |
| 20:54.40 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 20:54.58 | JeffM2501 | back to drawing scroll bars in openGL |
| 20:58.55 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda a pain |
| 20:59.29 | JeffM2501 | but it looks sorta cool |
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| 21:01.53 | JeffM2501 | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/pp.PNG |
| 21:02.25 | DTRemenak | does look cool |
| 21:02.37 | JeffM2501 | cept that it's suposed to be drawing a top one too :) |
| 21:03.16 | JeffM2501 | and the fact that the view rotation code is totaly jacked |
| 21:04.32 | trepan | JeffM2501: i just recently did some gui widget code that draws everything as 3d, used a transform to map everything to pixel space so that the objects sit on the screen |
| 21:05.02 | JeffM2501 | cool, so not using the ortho matrix? |
| 21:05.11 | trepan | use 2 lights ... but would be as cool unless you had a world light that also effects the gui |
| 21:05.37 | brlcad | you drawing your own slider there? |
| 21:05.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:05.46 | JeffM2501 | just to see if I can |
| 21:06.02 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/spring/keygrid_test2.jpg , the keygrid in the bottom left corner |
| 21:07.57 | trepan | you spec the screen width and screen-eye distance (p.s. that's a day-2 kinda pic) |
| 21:08.19 | JeffM2501 | that does make it nice for sterio displays |
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| 21:09.25 | trepan | looks cool when the world light affects the gui too (have to have at least 2 lights, the second for when the world light is in front) |
| 21:10.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah that would be nice |
| 21:10.07 | JeffM2501 | nice sunset interface |
| 21:10.19 | JeffM2501 | at night you'd need dash lights :) |
| 21:10.52 | trepan | heh, in that pic the icons are rendered without lighting, same effect |
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| 21:25.46 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: do the catalyst drivers have a vsync option? |
| 21:26.12 | JeffM2501 | the ATI ones, yeah they should |
| 21:26.16 | JeffM2501 | Jer will know where it is |
| 21:26.30 | DTRemenak | ahh, no I found it |
| 21:26.43 | DTRemenak | It's under "all settings" |
| 21:27.06 | CBG | Ok, I'm trying to make a small enhancement to playing.cxx so that when it says "You were killed by Someone" it tags the flag they used onto the end, like: "You were killed by Someone (with Useless)" but I'm having trouble. |
| 21:27.45 | DTRemenak | if you're getting killed by people carrying useless, I'd say you were having trouble :P |
| 21:27.57 | CBG | DTRemenak: just an example. ;) |
| 21:28.13 | CBG | "flagType" is used in the same block of code like this: else if (flagType == Flags::SuperBullet) but it won't let me use it in the message, like this: message += "killed by " + playerStr + "(with " + flagType + ")"; :/ |
| 21:28.25 | JeffM2501 | becaus it's not a string |
| 21:28.33 | JeffM2501 | and wow, you can't even do that |
| 21:28.37 | JeffM2501 | it isn't php |
| 21:28.40 | JeffM2501 | learn basic C |
| 21:28.59 | JeffM2501 | ypiu |
| 21:29.11 | CBG | I don't see what is different with my line compared to something like: message += "was fried by " + playerStr + "'s laser"; |
| 21:29.17 | DTRemenak | CBG: flagType is an enum not a string |
| 21:29.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:29.32 | JeffM2501 | payerStr is a string |
| 21:29.38 | JeffM2501 | and you can add char*'s to them |
| 21:29.44 | JeffM2501 | flagType is a class |
| 21:29.46 | CBG | ok :| thanks... |
| 21:29.59 | DTRemenak | it's a real class? |
| 21:30.06 | JeffM2501 | probably not |
| 21:30.22 | JeffM2501 | there should be a "get flag name" method in Flags:: IIRC |
| 21:30.27 | JeffM2501 | that's what you want |
| 21:30.29 | DTRemenak | yeah, should be |
| 21:30.42 | JeffM2501 | but always make sure your adding a std:: string on ether side of the + |
| 21:30.48 | CBG | something like: shot->getFlag() |
| 21:30.51 | JeffM2501 | you can't + 2 "string"s |
| 21:31.01 | JeffM2501 | no that's just the flag class, not the name |
| 21:31.04 | JeffM2501 | you need the name |
| 21:31.17 | JeffM2501 | don't think like php, in C every variable has a type |
| 21:31.19 | CBG | ok, I should read up on what a class is. |
| 21:31.20 | JeffM2501 | one type |
| 21:31.33 | CBG | sorry to have bothered you with my ignorance |
| 21:31.38 | JeffM2501 | and int can't be used as a string |
| 21:31.40 | JeffM2501 | well your learning |
| 21:31.48 | JeffM2501 | I'd realy recomend doing the tutorials first |
| 21:32.10 | JeffM2501 | what you may want to do is look at the "picked up XXX flag" message |
| 21:32.16 | JeffM2501 | as it will show you how to get the name |
| 21:32.22 | JeffM2501 | cus that's the same name youw ant |
| 21:32.27 | CBG | thanks ;) |
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| 21:33.12 | CBG | uhh, no occurance of "picked"... whah!? |
| 21:33.43 | DTRemenak | grabbed |
| 21:33.47 | JeffM2501 | http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial.html#c++tutorial and http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/language/tutorial/ |
| 21:33.54 | CBG | aahhh, silly me. |
| 21:34.03 | DTRemenak | think a bit about what he said...the message is "grabbed flag" :) |
| 21:34.15 | DTRemenak | the computer cannot find synonymns, you have to use your brain for that :) |
| 21:34.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah search for the message |
| 21:35.25 | CBG | "tank->getFlag()->flagName" o.O |
| 21:36.12 | CBG | that's less than 100 lines after where I am working too.... well, thanks guys |
| 21:47.49 | CBG | Would the problem with my new line be the number 3 in "addMessage(victimPlayer, message, 3, killerPlayer==myTank);" which immediately follows the ifs..? |
| 21:48.34 | CBG | all the messages there have 3 "parts" except for the else one which had 2 originally but now has 5. |
| 21:49.11 | JeffM2501 | what error do you get? |
| 21:49.14 | Pimpi | orange_away: pong |
| 21:49.57 | CBG | playing.cxx:2187: error: `tank' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 21:50.08 | CBG | ^ that was with 'tank->getFlag()->flagName' |
| 21:50.37 | JeffM2501 | is tank a variable that is declared in the function your using? |
| 21:51.10 | Pimpi | anh how is it declared |
| 21:51.13 | Pimpi | if |
| 21:51.17 | JeffM2501 | it isn't |
| 21:51.21 | JeffM2501 | he copied it from elsewhere |
| 21:51.30 | JeffM2501 | just call flagName on the flag you have |
| 21:51.40 | CBG | It's used later in the same function. |
| 21:51.47 | JeffM2501 | where is it defined tho? |
| 21:52.18 | CBG | not in this file.. :/ |
| 21:52.33 | CBG | it's used twice in playing.cxx and both in messages to say flag was grabbed or dropped |
| 21:52.43 | CBG | both of which occur later in the code than where I am editing |
| 21:52.44 | JeffM2501 | what line are you on? in what file? |
| 21:52.55 | CBG | playing.cxx 2187 |
| 21:53.01 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.x? |
| 21:53.05 | CBG | yes |
| 21:53.31 | CBG | src/bzflag/playing.cxx |
| 21:53.39 | JeffM2501 | yes I know where it is ;) |
| 21:53.45 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah your using it before it's defined |
| 21:54.02 | DTRemenak | different block |
| 21:54.27 | JeffM2501 | lets see where your flag came from |
| 21:54.55 | CBG | I copied from 2261 |
| 21:54.56 | JeffM2501 | ahh it's from the unpack |
| 21:55.09 | CBG | that's the grabbed part, dropped is at 3220 |
| 21:55.11 | JeffM2501 | CBG, yeah you copied a variable up to before it was defined |
| 21:55.24 | JeffM2501 | you don't need to do it that way tho |
| 21:55.30 | CBG | ah, ok |
| 21:56.18 | CBG | any more hints, since I hit a dead end? |
| 21:56.26 | JeffM2501 | just chill, I'm lookin |
| 21:56.31 | CBG | ok, thanks |
| 21:57.11 | JeffM2501 | you already have the flag |
| 21:57.18 | JeffM2501 | so you don't need the getflag and the tank |
| 21:57.57 | JeffM2501 | so you can just use the flagName member of the flag |
| 21:57.57 | JeffM2501 | but you can't just add char*'s |
| 21:58.03 | JeffM2501 | so you'll ahve to make some of the standard strings, or use format |
| 21:58.36 | DTRemenak | playerStr is not a std::string? |
| 21:58.40 | CBG | ah, errm.. ok |
| 21:58.46 | JeffM2501 | like playerStr + TextUtils::format(" with ( |
| 21:58.47 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:58.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah then do it all with format |
| 21:59.14 | CBG | ok cheers |
| 21:59.36 | JeffM2501 | message += TextUtils::format("killed by %s (with %s)",playerStr,flagType->flagName); |
| 21:59.42 | JeffM2501 | or something |
| 21:59.54 | CBG | i see, i see |
| 22:00.08 | JeffM2501 | basic C dosn't realy know what a string is |
| 22:00.14 | JeffM2501 | unlike php and other high level langauges |
| 22:00.27 | JeffM2501 | so you can't add them together the way you can in others |
| 22:00.43 | JeffM2501 | only the newer string classes have the math operators |
| 22:01.16 | JeffM2501 | so if you ever see char *, or something just in "stuff" then math is limited |
| 22:01.23 | JeffM2501 | one side usualy has to be a std::string |
| 22:01.35 | CBG | I'm working through a tut as we speak too. I'm pretty sure I have a book the size of a mac mini on C++ somewhere too, I should just read that. |
| 22:01.40 | DTRemenak | adding pointers is fun ;) |
| 22:01.45 | JeffM2501 | oh playerStr is a std::string |
| 22:02.09 | JeffM2501 | so it's be playerStr.c_str() in that example I gave you |
| 22:02.20 | CBG | aha, ok |
| 22:03.15 | CBG | It seemed to make with the original example you gave, testing now. |
| 22:03.47 | JeffM2501 | oh it'll make |
| 22:03.49 | JeffM2501 | then it'll crash |
| 22:03.55 | JeffM2501 | format isn't type safe :) |
| 22:04.06 | DTRemenak | woot |
| 22:04.17 | CBG | yeah, it crashed. probably for that reason |
| 22:05.07 | CBG | as soon as someone is shot, poof. |
| 22:05.36 | CBG | I should market that as a cheat client and teach those kids not to dabble in such things. :) |
| 22:05.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah it is trying to read a std::string as a char* |
| 22:05.56 | JeffM2501 | just add the .c_str() and it'll work |
| 22:06.10 | JeffM2501 | 45 seconds |
| 22:06.17 | JeffM2501 | and it wasn't that nice |
| 22:06.25 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:06.31 | JeffM2501 | many refrences to animal husbandry |
| 22:06.34 | DTRemenak | maybe my memory censored it |
| 22:06.53 | CBG | ok, i'm not sure whether to laugh or not. |
| 22:07.59 | DTRemenak | just remember, whatever you think of, someone has probably thought of it before ;) |
| 22:08.02 | CBG | ok, it basically works but says "tank a killed by killed by tank b (with flag)" so I'll see if I can fix that |
| 22:08.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah format it how ever you want |
| 22:08.54 | CBG | uh, yeah, I'm stupid... |
| 22:09.05 | CBG | message += "killed by " + TextUtils::format("killed by %s (with %s)",playerStr.c_str(),flagType->flagName); |
| 22:09.27 | JeffM2501 | you don't need the first part :) |
| 22:09.54 | fiveofoh | Aka the "killed by " + part |
| 22:10.04 | DTRemenak | or you could remove it from the second part |
| 22:10.08 | JeffM2501 | ether or |
| 22:10.10 | fiveofoh | should be message += TextUtils::blahblah |
| 22:10.20 | JeffM2501 | I'm of the camp that if your gonna use format, use it for all of it |
| 22:10.27 | fiveofoh | (or format("%s (with blah blah |
| 22:10.31 | DTRemenak | that does save one memory copy |
| 22:10.42 | CBG | yep, I already fixed it :) |
| 22:10.44 | JeffM2501 | and it's just easyer to read |
| 22:11.02 | DTRemenak | although if you're down to worrying about cpu cycles in your killed messages.... |
| 22:11.14 | CBG | oh? |
| 22:11.29 | JeffM2501 | then something wrong with you |
| 22:11.35 | DTRemenak | that's right |
| 22:11.36 | CBG | which is less likely to kill helpless animals? |
| 22:12.40 | CBG | I'm not _Totally_ helpless! I know HTML and CSS!! |
| 22:12.53 | fiveofoh | If you figure a few cycles here and there eliminated save power which saves emissions from the powerplant...the one you did should save about half a termite's antenna |
| 22:13.12 | CBG | fiveofoh: which one will save that? |
| 22:13.19 | fiveofoh | *antennae |
| 22:14.08 | JeffM2501 | mine |
| 22:14.16 | JeffM2501 | one less copy |
| 22:14.19 | CBG | ah, good. :) |
| 22:14.21 | JeffM2501 | but it's not important |
| 22:14.30 | CBG | I'm just kidding ;) |
| 22:14.43 | CBG | thanks for all the help |
| 22:15.03 | DTRemenak | CBG: the real trick there was that I called you an animal by implication ;) |
| 22:15.33 | CBG | DTRemenak: humans are animals ;) |
| 22:15.53 | CBG | Oh, darn, I now need to add an if incase the shooter has no flag... :| |
| 22:16.00 | DTRemenak | truth does not reduce the insult power of such a statement |
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| 22:25.13 | spldart | ~bzflist |
| 22:25.18 | spldart | or is it ~bzlist |
| 22:25.52 | spldart | Woohoo I'm hopping |
| 22:32.25 | spldart | One would think it was rabbit chase 8-0 |
| 22:32.33 | spldart | boing boing boing |
| 22:32.37 | DTRemenak | ~bzfrag spldart |
| 22:32.39 | ibot | ACTION fries spldart with a laser |
| 22:32.45 | spldart | :( |
| 22:32.47 | DTRemenak | maybe there are too many Bouncy's around |
| 22:33.55 | spldart | Hrm. out of top server at that moment I'm the only one on default port :-| |
| 22:34.27 | DTRemenak | so? |
| 22:34.47 | spldart | Just a curiosity |
| 22:36.20 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
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| 22:37.32 | CBG | What's more curious is that your server is one of the top ! :P |
| 22:38.31 | spldart | Hrm.... You know what THEY say about CBG... :-p |
| 22:38.32 | JeffM2501 | so gnardylox is making cheat clients now? |
| 22:38.45 | CBG | JeffM2501: oh? wow... |
| 22:38.55 | JeffM2501 | ignoring the server side spawn pos |
| 22:39.07 | CBG | spldart: hehe, just kidding, I get an average of -5 players per hour, on my servers. :P |
| 22:39.17 | DTRemenak | if you ignore it it will kick you for moving too fast |
| 22:39.33 | JeffM2501 | if the server has that check enabled |
| 22:39.38 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 22:39.58 | DTRemenak | suppose we could explicitly check that you spawned the right place |
| 22:40.09 | JeffM2501 | woudl be a good idea |
| 22:41.01 | DTRemenak | never thought people would turn off speed checking though |
| 22:41.08 | DTRemenak | seems kinda silly |
| 22:41.29 | JeffM2501 | well it's iffy somteimes |
| 22:41.31 | spldart | Used to have to use it for some physics on a couple maps |
| 22:41.37 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 22:41.48 | spldart | One Louman made and one I did |
| 22:41.59 | JeffM2501 | it's computed from the vector, so it's not perfect |
| 22:42.18 | JeffM2501 | I also don't think it uses the timestamps |
| 22:42.31 | JeffM2501 | so if you just change pos, and not the vector, the speed kick won't get ya |
| 22:42.49 | JeffM2501 | it'll jack DR on the other clients tho |
| 22:44.51 | DTRemenak | no, it compares to your last known state |
| 22:45.57 | JeffM2501 | how does it know how long has passed? |
| 22:46.24 | DTRemenak | time since your last move iirc |
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| 22:50.50 | CBG | Would "Flags::NULL" be right for someone with no flag? |
| 22:52.18 | CBG | uh, case sensitive? Flags::Null ? |
| 22:52.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah should be |
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| 23:10.48 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak it uses the vel |
| 23:11.03 | DTRemenak | that's weak |
| 23:11.14 | JeffM2501 | it's cus it dosnt' check timestamps |
| 23:11.35 | DTRemenak | so you can just like teleport around and we don't care? |
| 23:11.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah people do that now |
| 23:11.50 | DTRemenak | fun |
| 23:12.18 | CBG | oh, nifty idea |
| 23:12.26 | JeffM2501 | that's why there is the appearnt speed in the observer client |
| 23:13.03 | spldart | lo |
| 23:13.04 | spldart | l |
| 23:18.09 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak dosn't even look like we send out a pos till the next update |
| 23:18.26 | JeffM2501 | after a spawn |
| 23:18.34 | JeffM2501 | gotta love a suck protocoll |
| 23:22.58 | JeffM2501 | hmm could put a server side timestamp on each update, and then see if they are further then that time, even with a lag spike it'll only make the max distance biger, so not give you a false positive |
| 23:23.08 | JeffM2501 | but you could check and see if they are WAY outa line |
| 23:23.30 | DTRemenak | that's what I thought it did |
| 23:24.59 | JeffM2501 | nope, it does the square of the sides of the vel vec |
| 23:28.35 | DTRemenak | I thought it built a new vel line out of the position to check against |
| 23:28.38 | DTRemenak | oh well |
| 23:28.52 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 23:29.07 | JeffM2501 | in branch the timestamp is just used for jitter calcs |
| 23:29.12 | JeffM2501 | there isnt' even a server side timestamp |
| 23:29.13 | JeffM2501 | yet |
| 23:29.20 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:29.33 | DTRemenak | thought the tuponster added that a long while back |
| 23:29.50 | JeffM2501 | maybe in head |
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| 23:43.43 | JeffM2501 | well I have a check that could test for it, have to make a client that jumps tho |
| 23:44.06 | DTRemenak | shouldn't be hard |
| 23:44.08 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 23:44.40 | JeffM2501 | gotta make sure it compiles tho :) |
| 23:44.51 | DTRemenak | pft, compiles... |
| 23:44.54 | JeffM2501 | as the new bugs for me just roll right in |
| 23:45.37 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:46.46 | DTRemenak | you have a long list |
| 23:47.11 | JeffM2501 | longer now |
| 23:47.16 | JeffM2501 | 59 isn't too bad |
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| 23:47.31 | JeffM2501 | short even, comared to how it was during 8.0 |
| 23:47.34 | DTRemenak | I think I have 2 now |
| 23:47.49 | JeffM2501 | I had 120-150 8.0 criticals at one point |
| 23:47.55 | DTRemenak | yuck |
| 23:48.07 | JeffM2501 | bunch of mine now are enhacements |
| 23:49.08 | DTRemenak | heh, that was special...windows just demanded my current credentials |
| 23:50.27 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (GameKeeper.cxx GameKeeper.h bzfs.cxx): check for large jumps in update positions. |
| 23:51.11 | JeffM2501 | that may get some of the speed cheaters too |
| 23:51.57 | JeffM2501 | anyone willing to run a test server with it later this evening? |
| 23:52.13 | JeffM2501 | or I guess I can at home, non public |
| 23:55.47 | JeffM2501 | 5PM going home bastard ;) |
| 23:58.58 | brlcad | heh |
