| 00:00.01 | CBG | ircleuser: of course not! |
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| 00:00.06 | blast007 | CBG... |
| 00:00.09 | CBG | ~bonk blast007 |
| 00:00.10 | ibot | ACTION bonks blast007 over the head |
| 00:00.13 | ircleuser | lol |
| 00:00.22 | blast007 | ~zap CBG |
| 00:00.23 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives CBG a good jolt. |
| 00:00.24 | Mr_Molez | disinformation :( |
| 00:00.28 | CBG | Ouch! |
| 00:00.43 | ircleuser | I just meant something I can do that will change a word in the UI of BZFlag. I still want to be able to play with other people :-P |
| 00:02.03 | CBG | Ok, ircleuser look at /src/bzflag/MainMenu.cxx |
| 00:02.25 | ircleuser | Okay. I'm there. |
| 00:02.44 | Mr_Molez | ircleuser: how about changing the way servers are presented (sever list).. put them into groups or something |
| 00:02.45 | CBG | ircleuser: change one of the "createLabel" things |
| 00:02.55 | CBG | like, maybe change this: label = createLabel("Up/Down arrows to move, Enter to select, Esc to dismiss"); |
| 00:03.05 | CBG | to this: label = createLabel("I rock! Up/Down arrows to move, Enter to select, Esc to dismiss"); |
| 00:03.11 | JeffM2501 | cbg.. how about this? /msg |
| 00:03.40 | ircleuser | CBG: Cool. Thanks! :-) |
| 00:03.59 | CBG | ircleuser: sure, np. |
| 00:04.36 | blast007 | CBG: I made a change like that with a binary file editor ;) |
| 00:04.52 | blast007 | just had to make sure I kept the strings the same length |
| 00:07.12 | ircleuser | So, now I'm in the bzflag-2.0.8 folder and I've ./autogen.sh(ed) and ./configure(d). How do I make? |
| 00:07.37 | blast007 | make |
| 00:07.40 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:07.45 | CBG | ircleuser: "make" |
| 00:07.56 | Mr_Molez | guess there is no chance of you making voice support :P |
| 00:07.56 | ircleuser | Okay. That's what I did last time, but I couldn't find the file. |
| 00:08.03 | CBG | yeah, that one gets me everytime, I mean, who came up with that? :/ |
| 00:08.08 | ircleuser | Mr_Molez: Not in the near future :-D |
| 00:09.38 | ircleuser | I made it, but now I can't find the BZFlag file :-(. I'm learning, I promise. Lol. |
| 00:09.56 | Mr_Molez | src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 00:10.34 | ircleuser | There's no "bzflag" in src/bzflag |
| 00:10.48 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you on? |
| 00:10.53 | ircleuser | OS X |
| 00:10.59 | JeffM2501 | you have xcode? |
| 00:11.03 | ircleuser | Yeah. |
| 00:11.09 | JeffM2501 | just run the xcode project |
| 00:11.10 | ircleuser | I'm using the Terminal. |
| 00:11.16 | JeffM2501 | and it'll build it all |
| 00:11.26 | ircleuser | Oh, okay. I'll try that. |
| 00:11.40 | JeffM2501 | the mac binary wants to be put into a .app, the xcode project does that for you |
| 00:11.54 | JeffM2501 | the terminal will do a linux styte, build, it does not make a .app |
| 00:12.01 | ircleuser | Wow. 6 errors, 19 warnings. |
| 00:12.15 | JeffM2501 | you have the sdl and lib curl frameworks? |
| 00:12.37 | ircleuser | If I never intentionally downloaded them, do I not have them? |
| 00:12.44 | JeffM2501 | they are not standard |
| 00:12.47 | JeffM2501 | you need them |
| 00:12.51 | ircleuser | Okay. That must be it. |
| 00:12.56 | JeffM2501 | did you read the OSX readme file? |
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| 00:13.00 | JeffM2501 | that came with the source? |
| 00:13.35 | ircleuser | Where would it be? |
| 00:13.53 | JeffM2501 | root level of the source package |
| 00:14.35 | ircleuser | It didn't come with the source, no. |
| 00:14.40 | JeffM2501 | yes it did |
| 00:15.18 | JeffM2501 | readme.maxOSX |
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| 00:15.38 | ircleuser | Aack. Ircle kicked me out. |
| 00:16.03 | JeffM2501 | Readme.MacOSX is part of the source |
| 00:16.12 | JeffM2501 | how did you get the sources? |
| 00:16.37 | ircleuser | From BZFlag.org |
| 00:16.45 | JeffM2501 | what file did you download? |
| 00:17.04 | ircleuser | The only source file. I found readme.macosx |
| 00:17.16 | JeffM2501 | it would benifit you to read it |
| 00:17.21 | JeffM2501 | as it has the compile instructions |
| 00:17.35 | ircleuser | Oh, great. |
| 00:17.48 | ircleuser | Thanks for being so patient with me. I'm a n00b :-( |
| 00:18.02 | JeffM2501 | for what reasons are you wanting to build your own? |
| 00:18.21 | ircleuser | I really just wanted to learn a little bit about C++ and compiling, and I figured this would be a good way to do that. |
| 00:18.35 | JeffM2501 | it isn't |
| 00:18.43 | JeffM2501 | it is better to learn C++ first |
| 00:18.48 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not a good learning example |
| 00:18.52 | JeffM2501 | there are much better tutorials |
| 00:19.14 | purple_cow | bzflag is a lot of icky code ;) |
| 00:19.52 | ircleuser | Yes, but I'd much rather just dive into it and learn by myself rather than reading a manual. Once I get a better grasp of compiling, I'll actually learn the code. |
| 00:19.57 | Mr_Molez | why do all developers say that about their code :P i aint met a person yet that is happy with what they make |
| 00:20.09 | purple_cow | there are things i'm happy with |
| 00:20.16 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not one of them |
| 00:20.25 | ircleuser | lol |
| 00:20.28 | purple_cow | it's just that as software grows new features and bug fixes, it gets ugly |
| 00:20.46 | JeffM2501 | ircleuser, honestly, every kid who wants to "learn programing" says the same thing as you.. they fail. |
| 00:21.35 | ircleuser | JeffM: I'm 36 years young :-) |
| 00:21.50 | JeffM2501 | then you realy should know the benifit of learning something proper ;) |
| 00:21.57 | JeffM2501 | our build system is wierd |
| 00:21.59 | JeffM2501 | our code is wiered |
| 00:22.14 | JeffM2501 | there are some great simple online C++ tutorials out there as well |
| 00:22.53 | ircleuser | Which I will read once I've gotten a grasp on compiling. It's more fun for me to experiment like this in the beginning. |
| 00:22.55 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is very old, and not well writen |
| 00:26.40 | purple_cow | eh, it's not even so much that |
| 00:26.58 | purple_cow | adjusting to any large codebase, no matter how good, is something that takes skill and practice |
| 00:28.59 | ircleuser | I found the frameworks you were talking about. |
| 00:30.11 | ircleuser | But the errors seem to occur despite the fact that I have the frameworks. |
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| 00:30.45 | JeffM2501 | what is one of the errors? |
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| 00:31.40 | ircleuser | One of the errors makes it seem as if I don't have SDL: Error SDL/SDL.h No such file or directory |
| 00:31.53 | JeffM2501 | then the frameworks are not installed properly |
| 00:31.57 | JeffM2501 | where did you get them from? |
| 00:32.15 | ircleuser | They came with the source code, as you said. |
| 00:32.31 | JeffM2501 | SDL frameworks do not come with our source |
| 00:32.35 | JeffM2501 | nor does libcurl |
| 00:34.15 | JeffM2501 | you have to download and install the development librarys for sdl and libcurl |
| 00:34.22 | ircleuser | I'm on the SDL website right now. |
| 01:27.49 | AAA_awright | What part of the bzfs protocol identifies players as @ admins and + identified users? |
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| 02:53.40 | Theme97 | List server is down? |
| 02:55.07 | Theme97 | Nevermind. |
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| 04:36.10 | SportChick | JeffM2501: you here? |
| 04:36.17 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 04:36.38 | SportChick | is there anything that can be done about a consistent, persistent cheater who is on dynamic? |
| 04:36.49 | JeffM2501 | ID ban |
| 04:36.55 | SportChick | not registered |
| 04:37.02 | JeffM2501 | go reg only |
| 04:37.04 | SportChick | can you do global id bans? |
| 04:37.10 | SportChick | he just changes servers |
| 04:37.11 | JeffM2501 | sorta ish |
| 04:37.19 | JeffM2501 | basilcy, no, not raely |
| 04:37.25 | SportChick | it's that guy "Christopher Reeves Wheelchair" |
| 04:37.31 | SportChick | but of course, he will modify the name too |
| 04:37.32 | JeffM2501 | there is no masterban for dynamics |
| 04:37.39 | SportChick | yeah I figured |
| 04:37.48 | SportChick | just trying to figure out a good way to get rid of him |
| 04:37.51 | JeffM2501 | if you go reg only then there is one place to handle him |
| 04:37.55 | SportChick | he's a pain in the butt |
| 04:38.02 | JeffM2501 | reg only is sorta the only way |
| 04:38.06 | SportChick | I hear you |
| 04:38.18 | SportChick | reg only does create problems with the list server problems though |
| 04:38.25 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 04:38.34 | JeffM2501 | it sadly ain't a perfect system |
| 04:38.48 | SportChick | I think orange was testing a patch of some sort on proxs that was supposed to allow people to spawn even if the list server was down (even though it's reg only) |
| 04:38.54 | SportChick | but so far, we've never gotten it to work right |
| 04:39.06 | SportChick | the server never seems to realize the list server is unreachable |
| 04:39.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah I implemented a feature for him to do that, but I don't know if he finished testing |
| 04:40.07 | SportChick | you might want to ask when you see him next |
| 04:40.32 | SportChick | last I heard it wasn't working, but I know last time the list server was down, he stayed behind to test while we went and played at a public server |
| 04:40.47 | SportChick | it would be very cool to get it working though |
| 04:40.49 | JeffM2501 | I told him how to test it with out the list going down |
| 04:40.54 | SportChick | ahhh ok |
| 04:40.58 | SportChick | dunno if he has |
| 04:41.04 | SportChick | I'll ask him if I see him |
| 04:41.04 | JeffM2501 | nor I |
| 04:41.07 | SportChick | (if I remember) |
| 04:41.10 | SportChick | orange: wake up! |
| 04:41.47 | SportChick | heh, he's not here, but he's on essy - I pinged him |
| 04:42.15 | SportChick | I'm sure he's sleeping by now though |
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| 04:57.27 | JCesaro | hi, can someone help me, im having a serious gfx error on fedora core 5 when joining a bzflag server |
| 04:57.46 | JCesaro | all gfx drivers are installed |
| 04:57.53 | JCesaro | but i get an error |
| 04:59.04 | JeffM2501 | what is the error? |
| 04:59.31 | JCesaro | ok |
| 05:00.03 | JCesaro | i get this error sooner or later when i join a server : bzflag: indirect_vertex_array.c:659: emit_DrawArrays_old: Assertion `elements_per_request >= count' failed. |
| 05:00.18 | JeffM2501 | what card do you have? |
| 05:00.39 | JCesaro | i have nvidia ge force 5200 fx |
| 05:00.45 | JeffM2501 | what drivers do you have? |
| 05:01.02 | JCesaro | its very comon and i didnt have that error on 1.x versions |
| 05:01.08 | JeffM2501 | I'm betting the "NV"ones |
| 05:01.15 | JeffM2501 | 1.x didn't use vertex arrays ;) |
| 05:01.27 | JCesaro | driver, the one fedora repositories bring, latest one |
| 05:01.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah, the suck ones |
| 05:01.44 | JeffM2501 | you want the ones from nvidia |
| 05:01.46 | JeffM2501 | not the default ones |
| 05:01.50 | JeffM2501 | your not using your card |
| 05:01.57 | JeffM2501 | your using indirect ( software rendering ) |
| 05:02.12 | JCesaro | do u say that the nvidia ones wont give me that kind of errors |
| 05:02.24 | JeffM2501 | in your X config file under driver, does it say "NV" or "nvidia"? |
| 05:02.52 | JCesaro | yes. i have total acceleration, even other games are running fine |
| 05:03.01 | JeffM2501 | well the real nvidia ones are realy good, the nv default isn't made to support rendering, it's kinda a holdover till you get the closed source ones ( they are not 100% openGL compliant ) |
| 05:03.17 | JCesaro | .. |
| 05:03.20 | JeffM2501 | if your doing acceleration you shoudl not be going into the indirect files |
| 05:03.34 | JeffM2501 | nor even have source to get a lookup |
| 05:03.43 | JeffM2501 | what does your driver line say in your X config? |
| 05:04.03 | JCesaro | hmm |
| 05:04.07 | JeffM2501 | cus it's crashing IN the driver |
| 05:04.17 | JCesaro | i installed the driver from livna mirror thats all what i know |
| 05:04.25 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't mean anything |
| 05:04.28 | JCesaro | [livna] |
| 05:04.28 | JCesaro | name=Livna for Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Base |
| 05:04.28 | JCesaro | baseurl= |
| 05:04.28 | JCesaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.28 | JCesaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.29 | JCesaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.31 | JCesaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.32 | JeffM2501 | many package system won't include the real drivers |
| 05:04.42 | JeffM2501 | just open your X config and read the line |
| 05:04.43 | JCesaro | right |
| 05:04.51 | JCesaro | how |
| 05:04.52 | JeffM2501 | or when bzflag starts what does it say for your GL renderer? |
| 05:05.03 | JCesaro | let me c |
| 05:06.00 | JCesaro | hmm it tells nothing about drivers |
| 05:06.14 | JeffM2501 | does it say anything about "mesa indirect"? |
| 05:06.17 | JeffM2501 | in the chat box |
| 05:06.21 | JeffM2501 | when you start? |
| 05:06.23 | JCesaro | what can you recommend me to do |
| 05:06.41 | JCesaro | i have a traditional fc5 set up |
| 05:06.44 | JeffM2501 | tell me the info I'm asking for, then I can make a recomendation :) |
| 05:07.14 | JeffM2501 | it'll be a purple line, in the chat box, says "openGL Driver:" then more text |
| 05:07.31 | JeffM2501 | right after the audio driver line |
| 05:07.33 | JCesaro | it says |
| 05:07.51 | JCesaro | Opengl Driver Ge force 5200 SSE2 |
| 05:08.00 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 05:08.06 | JeffM2501 | does sound like real nvidias then |
| 05:08.13 | JCesaro | yes |
| 05:08.16 | JeffM2501 | well most package system don't have the current ones from nvidia |
| 05:08.26 | JeffM2501 | I'd go to www.nvidia.com and get the latest ones |
| 05:08.30 | JeffM2501 | they have there own installer |
| 05:08.56 | JeffM2501 | cus ether your kicking to mesa in game, or you have some older drivers with a bug |
| 05:08.56 | JCesaro | i just looked to one of thos starter manual and did installation step by step |
| 05:09.20 | JCesaro | can i tweak the game so i can play well |
| 05:09.24 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mean that fedora keeps up to the moment drivers |
| 05:09.31 | JeffM2501 | no, it's gonna use vertex arays |
| 05:09.33 | JeffM2501 | you have a bug in your driver |
| 05:09.40 | JeffM2501 | you kinda have to get one that dosn't have the bug |
| 05:09.57 | JeffM2501 | your the first person I've heard having this problem |
| 05:10.01 | JeffM2501 | and many people use nvidia |
| 05:10.03 | JCesaro | where and how can i uninstall that old driver |
| 05:10.08 | JeffM2501 | you don't |
| 05:10.14 | JeffM2501 | the nvidia installer will take care of it for you |
| 05:10.23 | JeffM2501 | it'll basicly replace what you have |
| 05:10.49 | JCesaro | then i just have to go to nvidias place and run it restart and probe the game |
| 05:11.09 | JeffM2501 | the nvidia site has install instructions |
| 05:11.14 | JeffM2501 | there installer is rather decent |
| 05:11.41 | JeffM2501 | it is linux, it's all about pain in the butt driver installs ;) |
| 05:12.26 | JCesaro | xD |
| 05:13.13 | JCesaro | im here http://www.nvidia.com/page/partner_certified_drivers.html |
| 05:13.25 | JCesaro | but thats only quadro drivers |
| 05:13.40 | JeffM2501 | dude |
| 05:13.43 | JeffM2501 | drivers link |
| 05:13.44 | JeffM2501 | mainpage |
| 05:14.13 | JCesaro | yes after the wizard it guide me to that site |
| 05:14.14 | JeffM2501 | then pick geforce and TnT2 |
| 05:14.22 | JeffM2501 | you must have picked the wrong card |
| 05:14.37 | JeffM2501 | hmm or there stuff is busted |
| 05:14.44 | JCesaro | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_1.0-8774.html |
| 05:14.52 | JeffM2501 | you amd64? |
| 05:14.57 | JCesaro | is that the right 1 |
| 05:15.04 | JeffM2501 | what cpu do you have? |
| 05:15.50 | JCesaro | ge force fx 5200 |
| 05:15.56 | JeffM2501 | no, CPU |
| 05:15.57 | JeffM2501 | not card |
| 05:16.05 | JeffM2501 | the processor in your computer |
| 05:16.13 | JeffM2501 | is it an AMD or an intel |
| 05:17.05 | JCesaro | amd |
| 05:17.16 | JeffM2501 | what type of AMD? |
| 05:17.38 | trepan | uname -a |
| 05:17.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah was just gonna say that :) |
| 05:18.50 | JCesaro | amd athlon 64 fx-60 |
| 05:19.31 | JeffM2501 | do a uname -a in a terminal, you need to know if you installed 32 bit or 64 bit linux |
| 05:19.45 | JCesaro | here's uname -a |
| 05:20.22 | JCesaro | ue Aug 8 15:30:44 EDT 2006 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 05:20.36 | JCesaro | im not that newb xD |
| 05:20.48 | JCesaro | well |
| 05:20.55 | JCesaro | im gonna start the install |
| 05:20.56 | JeffM2501 | then yes that is the right one |
| 05:23.35 | JCesaro | ERROR: An NVIDIA kernel module 'nvidia' appears to already be loaded in your kernel. This |
| 05:23.36 | JCesaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.36 | JCesaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.36 | JCesaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.36 | JCesaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.36 | JCesaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.38 | JCesaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.15 | JeffM2501 | you should probalby kill X then install |
| 05:24.19 | JCesaro | yes |
| 05:24.23 | JeffM2501 | it can't replace running stuff |
| 05:24.44 | JCesaro | yes seems this nvidia module is sh*t |
| 05:45.06 | *** join/#bzflag JCesaro (n=JCesaro@201.248.12.96) |
| 05:45.11 | JCesaro | Failed |
| 05:45.21 | JCesaro | i shutted down x |
| 05:45.37 | JCesaro | went into shell and the same |
| 05:47.14 | blast007 | lsmod will show loaded kernel modules |
| 05:47.54 | JCesaro | bash: lsmod: command not found |
| 05:48.11 | blast007 | okay then ;) |
| 05:49.05 | JCesaro | let me c i think i can make it by grub start |
| 05:53.06 | SportChick | reading stuff like that makes me glad I'm not on linux (yet) |
| 05:53.50 | blast007 | I blame his distro |
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| 05:54.05 | trepan | i blame him |
| 05:54.14 | SportChick | :x |
| 05:54.19 | lanTro | no succes i did ctrl alt f3 when i started the system |
| 05:54.33 | lanTro | but, same thing |
| 05:54.38 | blast007 | which does...? |
| 05:55.16 | blast007 | and when did you do that? while in X? |
| 05:55.22 | lanTro | same, "Another nvidia module seems to be running |
| 05:55.50 | blast007 | how are you shutting X down? |
| 05:56.01 | lanTro | are you telling me that i have to do that when core is starting |
| 05:56.08 | lanTro | how can i shut x |
| 05:58.19 | JeffM2501 | I usualy go to single user mode |
| 05:58.26 | JeffM2501 | runlevel 3 IIRC |
| 05:58.37 | blast007 | runlevel 3 is multi-user text-only |
| 05:58.47 | JeffM2501 | tha'll work :) |
| 05:58.52 | blast007 | yup |
| 05:59.10 | blast007 | lanTro: type this at a virtual terminal: init 3 |
| 05:59.12 | lanTro | how can i go to level 3 instead of level 5 |
| 05:59.14 | blast007 | then do the installer |
| 05:59.25 | blast007 | then pray |
| 05:59.28 | blast007 | ;) |
| 05:59.31 | lanTro | bash: init: command not found |
| 05:59.47 | blast007 | as root |
| 05:59.53 | lanTro | bash: init: command not found |
| 05:59.57 | lanTro | :S |
| 06:00.02 | blast007 | :/ |
| 06:01.02 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Fedora lacks mojo. |
| 06:01.11 | blast007 | Fedora just sucks :) |
| 06:01.31 | lanTro | i n3ver had those problems on sid |
| 06:01.44 | blast007 | lanTro: you sure you're logged into a terminal as root? |
| 06:01.58 | lanTro | yes |
| 06:02.30 | lanTro | [root@dc9f80c60 JCesaro]# init 3 - > doesnt exist |
| 06:02.49 | blast007 | hmm |
| 06:03.19 | blast007 | cuz fedorafaq.org says it does ;) |
| 06:03.36 | PuMpErNiCkLe | It should be in /sbin. |
| 06:03.54 | lanTro | hmm |
| 06:04.03 | PuMpErNiCkLe | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.47 | blast007 | musta worked |
| 06:04.52 | blast007 | :) |
| 06:05.18 | blast007 | oh yeah, probably should have told him how to make it go back to X, but oh well, he can reboot |
| 06:05.33 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Only if he gets it right. |
| 06:05.40 | blast007 | heh |
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| 06:11.11 | lanTro | it just let me play for about 2 secs |
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| 07:13.13 | compiler_faliure | hello Skeeve and all the good guys, bzflag irix up and running! |
| 07:13.44 | compiler_faliure | thanks to brlcad, of course :) |
| 07:13.59 | compiler_faliure | I must say that I was a bit disappointed with the performance |
| 07:14.17 | compiler_faliure | I shouldn't have expected much though.. its an old SSE |
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| 07:15.09 | compiler_faliure | older versions (and I mean pre 2.0) run faster.. but of course incompatible .. so useless |
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| 07:15.32 | JeffM2501 | pre 2.0 didn't support meshes |
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| 07:19.18 | compiler_success | JeffM2501: oh |
| 07:19.54 | JeffM2501 | so 2.0 has a difrent openGL requirement, since it has to draw a lot more |
| 07:20.09 | JeffM2501 | we also took out some cruft that was just to support old hardware |
| 07:20.24 | JeffM2501 | so it may run worse on old hardware, but better on newer |
| 07:21.07 | compiler_success | well.. I'm not much into fancy features. I wouldn't mind sacrificing some eye candy for performance. But I can't, as I'm forced to stay on upper versions so long I want to play on public servers or so |
| 07:21.11 | compiler_success | I see |
| 07:21.22 | JeffM2501 | you can turn a lot of the new stuff off |
| 07:21.33 | JeffM2501 | the new defaults are probably not best for your system |
| 07:22.01 | compiler_success | I did, everything to lowest and all features (blending, smoothing..etc) off. still unplayable |
| 07:22.18 | compiler_success | it goes around almost interactively, but not smooth enough |
| 07:22.18 | JeffM2501 | depth buffer on or off? |
| 07:22.50 | compiler_success | everything changable from within bzflag is off (Options > display) |
| 07:23.11 | JeffM2501 | turn on depth buffer |
| 07:23.22 | JeffM2501 | with it off, it's slower then hell on any system with hardware |
| 07:23.49 | JeffM2501 | even with no hardware, software depth buffer is better then the bsp crap |
| 07:24.29 | compiler_success | what you said about better support for older hardware on older systems, were you referring to SGIs specifically? |
| 07:24.38 | JeffM2501 | no, in general |
| 07:24.48 | compiler_success | oh, ok |
| 07:25.00 | JeffM2501 | SGI's are such a small small small % of our userbase, we don't realy think about them much anymore |
| 07:25.21 | compiler_success | yes, fully justified |
| 07:25.40 | JeffM2501 | try with depth on |
| 07:25.46 | JeffM2501 | it usualy helps the slowbies |
| 07:25.51 | JeffM2501 | on any OS |
| 07:25.58 | compiler_success | just a second, the octane just booted |
| 07:26.11 | JeffM2501 | but yeah in many ways 2.0.x wants more hardware then 1.10 did |
| 07:26.40 | JeffM2501 | the maps are also more polygon intesive this time around, since people add meshes, and stuff. |
| 07:29.21 | compiler_success | I can't see depth buffer |
| 07:29.30 | compiler_success | do I need to change a text file somewhere? |
| 07:29.38 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 07:29.46 | JeffM2501 | shoudl be in display properties |
| 07:30.00 | JeffM2501 | or wait? did you build 2.0.x or 2.1? |
| 07:30.15 | compiler_success | 2.0.8, brlcad built it actually |
| 07:30.41 | JeffM2501 | I'm trying to remember what verison I removed it form |
| 07:30.59 | JeffM2501 | looks like I did it for 2.0.8 |
| 07:31.33 | JeffM2501 | it'll be in your config under #set zbuffer |
| 07:31.40 | compiler_success | I see: Dithering, Blending, Smoothing, Lighting, Texturing, Anisotropic, Quality, Shadows, Brightness, Engery Saver, and Change Video Format only |
| 07:31.42 | JeffM2501 | take out the # and try it on and off |
| 07:31.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah I took out the menu |
| 07:31.52 | compiler_success | ok |
| 07:33.49 | compiler_success | due to some linker problems, brlcad didn't build it normally with the build scripts, he did it manually. So I'm unable to "make install", I run the binary from ~../src/bzflag/bzflag where would I find the config script? or is there an argument I can put when starting the game? |
| 07:34.01 | JeffM2501 | home dir |
| 07:34.05 | JeffM2501 | ./bzf |
| 07:34.10 | compiler_success | ok |
| 07:34.55 | compiler_success | found it |
| 07:35.57 | compiler_success | set zbuffer 1 ? |
| 07:36.25 | JeffM2501 | what was it set to before? |
| 07:36.50 | compiler_success | I commented that out, just wanted to make sure it is the setting to change |
| 07:37.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 07:37.15 | JeffM2501 | what was it in the file tho? |
| 07:37.19 | JeffM2501 | cus # isn't a comment |
| 07:37.23 | JeffM2501 | it means it's the default value |
| 07:37.29 | compiler_success | it was 1 |
| 07:37.38 | JeffM2501 | take out the # and set it to 0 |
| 07:37.44 | compiler_success | ok |
| 07:38.22 | Skeeve | *LOL* compiler_failure now known as compiler_success!?!? |
| 07:38.31 | compiler_success | yes! |
| 07:38.34 | compiler_success | hehehe |
| 07:38.45 | Skeeve | Congratulations! |
| 07:38.57 | Skeeve | And thanks to brlcad, right? |
| 07:39.35 | compiler_success | yes, he logged in and did it himself after tens of instructions! |
| 07:39.57 | Skeeve | ;-) As he did for me |
| 07:40.11 | compiler_success | JeffM2501, I don't notice any change.. |
| 07:40.11 | Skeeve | He's a wizard |
| 07:40.17 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 07:40.24 | JeffM2501 | then that's what it's gonna run at |
| 07:40.54 | compiler_success | I guess I'll have to keep the sgi for text stuff only! thank you anyway |
| 07:41.19 | JeffM2501 | PCs are cheap these days ;) |
| 07:41.25 | Skeeve | SGI and text only.... How horrible ;-) |
| 07:41.52 | compiler_success | indeed, sgis are cheaper! (seriously, see ebay). performance/cost sgi might be cheaper! |
| 07:42.20 | JeffM2501 | last I looked into geting an SGI, PCs are a lot cheaper |
| 07:42.27 | JeffM2501 | you can build a very nice PC for 300$ |
| 07:42.31 | compiler_success | when was that? |
| 07:42.33 | JeffM2501 | bzflag wise |
| 07:42.38 | JeffM2501 | about 6 months ago |
| 07:42.52 | JeffM2501 | was looking at O2s and inidys |
| 07:43.07 | Skeeve | PCs could be build to be a lot less noisy then any SGI is |
| 07:43.14 | JeffM2501 | geting the OS for them was the expensive part |
| 07:43.22 | JeffM2501 | everyone wanted a couple hundred for the OS install disks |
| 07:43.57 | compiler_success | well, yes.. now after sgi have officially abandoned mips/irix. you see loaded fuels on ebay going for around 1K, and I mean loaded, 2GB ram, V10 or V12 gfx and big disks, MIPS 700Mhz and all |
| 07:44.24 | compiler_success | all the cds (including overlays 6.5.29) and mips compilers are available on P2P |
| 07:44.48 | JeffM2501 | for a grand I could get a much faster PC then that |
| 07:44.50 | JeffM2501 | MUCH |
| 07:45.08 | JeffM2501 | dual core 4600 with a nice nvidia card |
| 07:45.29 | JeffM2501 | couple SATA 250s and 2 gigs of ram |
| 07:47.45 | JeffM2501 | tho if I had an extra grand I'd be buying another display with it :) |
| 07:47.49 | compiler_success | well you know, nvidia only lately started supporting their cards on non-windows OSs |
| 07:48.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah a couple years ago |
| 07:48.21 | compiler_success | before that, if you wanted unix with respected graphics, your only choice was vendors like sgi |
| 07:48.31 | Skeeve | compiler_success: However much I like SGI's machines: I wouldn't buy one nowadays |
| 07:48.40 | compiler_success | me neither |
| 07:49.01 | compiler_success | mine is an old octane, which I paid very little for |
| 07:49.24 | Skeeve | After being used to Java workstations for 5 years and Mac Laptops for 3 years now, I know how good it is to have a *silent* computer |
| 07:49.47 | compiler_success | oh, you naild it there! |
| 07:49.50 | compiler_success | a silent computer |
| 07:50.05 | compiler_success | my god those old systems are noisey |
| 07:50.13 | JeffM2501 | it's not hard to build a decently silent low/midrange desktop |
| 07:50.54 | compiler_success | JeffM2501, what are the specs for your main machine? |
| 07:51.18 | JeffM2501 | 4600 dual core, 3 gigs of ram, and a 7800 GTX |
| 07:51.28 | compiler_success | WHAT ?! |
| 07:51.32 | Skeeve | Is it silent, Jeff? |
| 07:51.39 | JeffM2501 | it's not that loud |
| 07:51.43 | JeffM2501 | it's in a huge case |
| 07:51.46 | JeffM2501 | but totaly silent, no |
| 07:52.05 | JeffM2501 | it's in a stacker 830 |
| 07:52.11 | JeffM2501 | so it's all 120mm mans |
| 07:52.13 | JeffM2501 | fans |
| 07:52.17 | JeffM2501 | nice and slow :) |
| 07:52.47 | compiler_success | that is a serious machine |
| 07:52.53 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 07:52.58 | compiler_success | no wonder you find the sgis useless |
| 07:53.03 | JeffM2501 | it's just 939 |
| 07:53.10 | JeffM2501 | not an AM2 or anything |
| 07:53.20 | JeffM2501 | no ddr2 |
| 07:53.33 | JeffM2501 | and only 256megs of video |
| 07:53.42 | compiler_success | only 256 of video! |
| 07:53.47 | JeffM2501 | have to upgrade that to a nice 512er soon |
| 07:53.57 | JeffM2501 | 7950s are comin down in price a bit |
| 07:54.25 | compiler_success | or the nicer 1GBer. probably that amound of gfx ram will not be utilised by any game any time soon |
| 07:54.40 | JeffM2501 | naw, I don't want to go the SLI route again |
| 07:55.04 | compiler_success | why not? not worth the buck? |
| 07:55.08 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 07:55.10 | compiler_success | perf/cost I mean |
| 07:55.13 | compiler_success | I see |
| 07:55.21 | JeffM2501 | it's not a 2x speedup |
| 07:55.31 | JeffM2501 | and not all apps suport it |
| 07:55.35 | JeffM2501 | so it's more of a pain |
| 07:55.39 | compiler_success | I see |
| 07:55.43 | JeffM2501 | for the apps that do suport it, it's great |
| 07:55.49 | JeffM2501 | but it still dosnt' give you 1 gig of ram |
| 07:55.58 | JeffM2501 | each card has a copy of everything, so it's still 512 |
| 07:56.04 | JeffM2501 | just 2 times |
| 07:56.24 | compiler_success | I see |
| 07:56.32 | JeffM2501 | tho given the stability of this X1300 in my other machine, I may think about doing a X1900 or something |
| 07:56.34 | Skeeve | ;-) really less denim http://www.opencombat.net/ |
| 07:56.41 | JeffM2501 | told you |
| 07:56.56 | Skeeve | But if she's going for a battle she should change her haircolor ;-) |
| 07:57.15 | JeffM2501 | she'll put on a hat |
| 07:57.58 | JeffM2501 | the big question on the next upgrade will be to go core 2 or not |
| 07:57.58 | compiler_success | ah, why do I suddenly feel that my systems are very slow? |
| 07:57.58 | JeffM2501 | cus if I have to get new ram anyway |
| 07:57.58 | JeffM2501 | cus they are |
| 07:58.45 | JeffM2501 | your current day midrange PC is 2.somethingish gigs, a gig of ram, and a 256 meg card |
| 07:59.00 | JeffM2501 | that you can usualy get for around 500$ |
| 07:59.05 | JeffM2501 | hardware is just cheap |
| 07:59.35 | compiler_success | no they are fine. but after you filled me up with all that. Just like a nice guy in his nice little farm.. all is great, life couldn't get sweeter, until he goes to the city! Ignorence is a bless indeed :) |
| 07:59.42 | JeffM2501 | I mean I got the mobo and CPU for this machine for 99$ ( AMD 64 3000+ ) |
| 07:59.53 | compiler_success | that was a joke. :) |
| 08:00.07 | compiler_success | it is very cheap, yes. |
| 08:00.57 | compiler_success | but I'm the average joe, I don't need that much computing power. unlike you, the hardcore gamer/programmer :) |
| 08:01.15 | JeffM2501 | I don't consider myself hardcore |
| 08:01.23 | JeffM2501 | if I did, I'd have a crossfire setup |
| 08:01.35 | JeffM2501 | and a core 2 or a FX |
| 08:01.42 | compiler_success | I don't know what it means, I just read it on gfx cards review sites, and it sounded good |
| 08:01.42 | JeffM2501 | overclocked all to hell |
| 08:01.56 | JeffM2501 | crossfire is ATI's multi card system |
| 08:02.10 | JeffM2501 | it's more robust then SLI |
| 08:02.22 | compiler_success | yes, so I've heard. all tracing roots to the good old 3dfx |
| 08:02.33 | JeffM2501 | no, not the same thing |
| 08:02.37 | JeffM2501 | it's not a scanline thing |
| 08:02.48 | compiler_success | I wouldn't know |
| 08:02.54 | JeffM2501 | "scaleable link interface" |
| 08:03.02 | JeffM2501 | not "scan line interleave" |
| 08:03.16 | compiler_success | I see |
| 08:03.32 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm sure nvidia did start with what old SLI had done |
| 08:03.39 | JeffM2501 | at least as a starting point |
| 08:03.49 | JeffM2501 | since they own the tech |
| 08:03.56 | compiler_success | yes |
| 08:04.14 | JeffM2501 | crossfire is more of your classic render farm aproach |
| 08:05.58 | compiler_success | ati is chosen by the higher end vendors (IBM and the dying sgi) as well as Xbox360(?) and Wii (?) I wonder if its for technical reasons or purely business related |
| 08:06.13 | JeffM2501 | biz |
| 08:06.54 | compiler_success | JeffM2501, you mobo is nvidia chipset? |
| 08:07.00 | compiler_success | your* |
| 08:07.20 | JeffM2501 | 2 of the 4 are yes |
| 08:07.37 | JeffM2501 | main is a 430 with a 6150 onboard |
| 08:07.37 | compiler_success | you have 4 machines? |
| 08:07.47 | JeffM2501 | this is an NForce 3 IIRC |
| 08:07.52 | compiler_success | sweet |
| 08:07.56 | JeffM2501 | 5 techincaly, if you count the mac |
| 08:08.25 | compiler_success | ah! |
| 08:08.32 | JeffM2501 | other is a via with a celleron, and the server is some SIS thing with an AMD geode |
| 08:08.37 | JeffM2501 | that's the silent machine |
| 08:08.41 | JeffM2501 | not a single fan on it |
| 08:08.51 | compiler_success | sweet |
| 08:09.04 | JeffM2501 | it gets by |
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| 10:13.15 | CBG | ~wake brlcad |
| 10:13.17 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on brlcad and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 10:15.16 | Skeeve | tztz |
| 10:21.05 | Manu | good morning brlcad :) |
| 10:22.06 | Skeeve | You see, CBG: manually saying good morning is much nicer ;-) |
| 10:23.20 | CBG | ~bonk Skeeve |
| 10:23.22 | ibot | ACTION bonks Skeeve over the head |
| 10:24.21 | Manu | ~shoot CBG |
| 10:24.22 | ibot | ACTION shoots CBG in the head with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 10:24.25 | Skeeve | ~translate bonk |
| 10:24.39 | CBG | ~hide me |
| 10:24.40 | ibot | ACTION gets a huge black sheet and covers cbg with it so that nobody can see what cbg is doing! |
| 10:25.34 | ToughShooter | ¡hola Manu! |
| 10:25.36 | Skeeve | leo says: "to get a bonk on the nose" is "einen auf die Gurke kriegen [sl.]" |
| 10:26.29 | Skeeve | Since I was bonked over the head "Omme" would be better than "Gurke" ;-> |
| 10:27.08 | Skeeve | Don't you agree, ToughShooter? |
| 10:27.19 | ToughShooter | Skeeve: I don't |
| 10:27.31 | ToughShooter | I never heard someone saying "Omme" |
| 10:27.52 | Skeeve | ;-) I heard it several times when someone hits his head |
| 10:28.36 | Skeeve | http://www.ruhrgebietssprache.de/lexikon/omme.html |
| 10:28.49 | Skeeve | So maybe it's because you're a Hesse |
| 10:29.30 | ToughShooter | Yupp, different language :p |
| 10:36.07 | Manu | hallo mein freund ToughShooter :) |
| 10:37.20 | Manu | automatic.. not manually :/ |
| 10:38.45 | Skeeve | btw, manu... What does the highlight for you. Is it just a string matchin or is it some regular expression mechanism? If regular expression you should chang it to \bmanu\b |
| 10:39.25 | Manu | yes but I'm too lazy ;) |
| 10:40.19 | Skeeve | So you're a programmer!? |
| 10:40.37 | Manu | yes I am :) |
| 10:40.59 | Skeeve | I'm not astonished |
| 10:41.00 | Skeeve | ;-) |
| 10:42.37 | Manu | my main job is taxes and laws |
| 10:42.52 | Manu | I also write financial programs |
| 10:43.18 | Manu | is about... |
| 10:44.12 | Manu | taxes consultor.. or what ever it's spelles :/ |
| 10:44.17 | Manu | spelled* |
| 10:44.39 | Skeeve | Each time I read law texts, tax instructions or patents, I get a certain emptiness (more than usual) in my brain and feel an urge to fall asleep |
| 10:44.58 | compiler_success | I'll second Skeeve |
| 10:45.04 | Manu | heh, I usually save money to my clients ;) |
| 10:47.18 | Skeeve | It can be manly in insurance / We'll up your premium semi-annually / It's all tax-deductible / We're fairly incorruptible / We're sailing on the wide accountancy / |
| 10:47.31 | Skeeve | ;-) Accountancy Shanty by Monty Python |
| 10:47.37 | Manu | :) |
| 10:56.51 | Skeeve | http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/clipserve/B000000WIA001007/1/ref=mu_sam_ra001_007/104-7509292-1160754 Accountancy shanty short excerpt from amazon |
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| 11:12.24 | compiler_success | what is a good simple map for beginners? just starting a server |
| 11:12.35 | compiler_success | anything that doesnt look generic |
| 11:13.05 | Manu | compiler_success: the random map, it's by default |
| 11:13.37 | compiler_success | I meant the random by generic, I want something else please |
| 11:14.06 | Manu | you can choose the map you like it.. |
| 11:14.21 | compiler_success | do you have any favorite maps? something that requires a tactical player |
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| 11:14.48 | Manu | I play usually Thw two towers (viper.pimpi.org:5158) |
| 11:15.14 | Manu | The* |
| 11:15.33 | ToughShooter | Spirals 3.0 was also a very popular map |
| 11:15.52 | compiler_success | these are available for download? |
| 11:16.10 | ToughShooter | You can download Spirals 3.0 somewhere on SF |
| 11:16.19 | Manu | just connect to a server and use the option to download the map |
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| 11:16.34 | ToughShooter | The two towers can be downloaded from inside the client when you joined the viper server |
| 11:16.58 | Manu | ToughShooter: you still remember spirals :-p |
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| 11:17.50 | ToughShooter | Manu: It's the map that fits exactly my playing style :p |
| 11:18.17 | compiler_success | the two tower is for large number of players |
| 11:18.20 | ToughShooter | That's the map where I learned to play bz |
| 11:18.23 | Manu | I knew it |
| 11:18.32 | compiler_success | something fit for 4-6 players.. pls |
| 11:18.35 | Manu | compiler_success: no really |
| 11:19.00 | ToughShooter | HIX2 is good for 4-6 players, but's a not so nice map |
| 11:19.02 | Manu | you can set the max numb er of players for ev ery team |
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| 11:19.16 | Manu | 3vs3 at viper is really fun, better than 10vs10 |
| 11:19.42 | Manu | 20 players is too much |
| 11:19.48 | ToughShooter | manu: Really? I thought part of the game is getting shot |
| 11:20.02 | Manu | heh |
| 11:20.14 | compiler_success | where can I get the viper map? |
| 11:20.30 | ToughShooter | viper2.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 11:20.47 | Manu | ToughShooter: arg... I'm slow :/ |
| 11:20.51 | compiler_success | no, the map itself, for people who want to start a server |
| 11:21.06 | ToughShooter | Connect with a playing client to the server |
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| 11:21.24 | ToughShooter | Somewhere in options there is a "Save World" thingy |
| 11:23.04 | compiler_success | thank you ToughShooter |
| 11:23.24 | ToughShooter | np |
| 11:24.19 | Manu | compiler_success: I told it you earlier ;) |
| 11:24.45 | compiler_success | you did? I didn't notice. Thank you |
| 11:25.38 | Manu | compiler_success: viper map is The Two Towers :) |
| 11:25.51 | compiler_success | oh! |
| 11:26.39 | compiler_success | I'm in the BZFS config builder.. I have specified the viper as the world file, and now I need to specify the world size.. |
| 11:26.51 | compiler_success | should I leave it to default 400? |
| 11:26.58 | Manu | yes |
| 11:27.12 | Manu | you only need to add the flags you want |
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| 11:27.33 | Manu | viper flagset is not into the map |
| 11:27.40 | compiler_success | ok |
| 11:30.12 | compiler_success | what do you think is a good number of shots? |
| 11:30.27 | Pommes | Is there still a server with the fairground-map? |
| 11:31.09 | Pommes | It used to be on a server that had "smolkowski" in its name (in 1.10-times) |
| 11:33.04 | ToughShooter | Pommes: That server did not upgrade to 2.0.x for a loooong time |
| 11:33.16 | Manu | compiler_success: no more than 5 |
| 11:33.25 | Manu | more than 5 is fun for noobs |
| 11:33.28 | ToughShooter | after it was updated, the server had no people to play on |
| 11:33.38 | ToughShooter | because it lost all its popularity |
| 11:33.38 | Pommes | ToughShooter: yes :-( said |
| 11:33.42 | Pommes | sad* |
| 11:33.50 | ToughShooter | and the owner has put other maps on it |
| 11:34.06 | ToughShooter | however the map was not the reason for being empty |
| 11:34.08 | Pommes | compiler_success: if you run fairground I'll be on your server |
| 11:34.18 | ToughShooter | I think the server has gone to /dev/null |
| 11:34.35 | compiler_success | Pommes, I will run it for you if I had it |
| 11:34.53 | Pommes | compiler_success: let me search :-) |
| 11:35.02 | compiler_success | go ahead |
| 11:35.42 | Pommes | compiler_success: here it is: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=16083&sid=73d96215c6fc942de628110aa6825a61 |
| 11:37.10 | compiler_success | working on it, just a sec. |
| 11:37.43 | compiler_success | Manu, this is a .map file, same as .bzw? |
| 11:38.55 | *** join/#bzflag ToughShooter (n=ts@p54B00E71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:39.11 | ToughShooter | gah, fat fingers :/ |
| 11:39.16 | Manu | compiler_success: I guess yes |
| 11:39.47 | Manu | ToughShooter: touch a Tiny flag :-p |
| 11:40.02 | Manu | and change that Zzzzzz... string :) |
| 11:40.21 | ToughShooter | Heh, a quick sleep at noon ;) |
| 11:42.50 | Pommes | compiler_success: imho you should keep the server-settings from the old smolkowski-server for that map |
| 11:43.12 | compiler_success | the .map file includes all the settings? |
| 11:43.13 | Pommes | there was only 1 flag of each type (1 ST, 1 GM, 1 SW ...) |
| 11:43.20 | Pommes | don't know |
| 11:43.55 | Manu | 1 st for more than one team is not fun at all |
| 11:44.10 | Pommes | but that was the interesting thing on that map |
| 11:44.20 | Pommes | there were not dozens of ST running around |
| 11:44.22 | Pommes | just one |
| 11:44.33 | Pommes | it was a very nice server |
| 11:44.34 | Manu | yes if you have the ST :) |
| 11:44.46 | Pommes | you could also try to hunt the one ST :) |
| 11:44.53 | Pommes | there was also only 1 Seer :) |
| 11:45.03 | ToughShooter | I remember they called me ts/ST |
| 11:45.35 | Pommes | It was an exciting map ... aaaah ... |
| 11:45.45 | ToughShooter | It had a weak point |
| 11:45.49 | Pommes | nno |
| 11:46.19 | ToughShooter | In that edge where I have been hiding with laser was a GM camper problem |
| 11:46.33 | ToughShooter | I tried it out one time, I stood there for hours with GM |
| 11:46.35 | Pommes | hm? |
| 11:46.45 | Pommes | yes - it's a camper-map |
| 11:46.45 | ToughShooter | on the gangway |
| 11:47.04 | Pommes | but the nice thing is there are always ways in this map to kill the camper |
| 11:47.11 | Pommes | you just got to learn the map |
| 11:47.26 | ToughShooter | after I did that the next day that edge in the map was changed |
| 11:47.30 | Pommes | there are many places for camping on that map |
| 11:47.47 | Pommes | hm - then you mean something different |
| 11:47.49 | compiler_success | up |
| 11:47.57 | ToughShooter | You don't understand me, there was no way to kill me |
| 11:48.02 | ToughShooter | it was impossible |
| 11:48.09 | Pommes | ok - got it |
| 11:48.18 | compiler_success | will give you the address in a sec |
| 11:48.19 | Pommes | not even with SW? |
| 11:48.24 | compiler_success | there seems to be a problem |
| 11:48.31 | ToughShooter | If you have ST, then I shoot unguided shots into that direction |
| 11:48.42 | ToughShooter | laser: hiding in the small pyramid |
| 11:48.42 | compiler_success | it has countless flags |
| 11:48.48 | ToughShooter | SW: too high |
| 11:48.56 | Pommes | yes - but that was a feature - not a bug |
| 11:48.58 | Pommes | it was not changed |
| 11:49.02 | compiler_success | 219.95.187.146 |
| 11:49.04 | compiler_success | default port |
| 11:49.06 | ToughShooter | it was changed |
| 11:49.12 | Pommes | it was just one of several campsites on that map |
| 11:49.27 | Pommes | and you can kill somebody there if you're careful and sneaky |
| 11:49.50 | Pommes | compiler_success: I'm at work now - I'll try in a few hours |
| 11:51.15 | compiler_success | it looks so crowded, I think I need to modify the world size |
| 11:53.37 | compiler_success | Pommes, I will check out the viper for now, tell me when you get home so I'll put your map |
| 11:53.52 | compiler_success | we don't have players anyways, and you're likely to have lag problems :( |
| 11:56.47 | compiler_success | how can I specify the maximum number of flags? |
| 12:00.21 | Mr_Molez | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.53 | compiler_success | up again |
| 12:01.09 | compiler_success | mr. molez, join and tell me what to do. there are no players there |
| 12:01.41 | Mr_Molez | tell u what to do ? |
| 12:02.22 | compiler_success | I did +f good{10} +f bad{6} but I find hundreds of flags! |
| 12:02.34 | compiler_success | I mean advise for better settings |
| 12:02.49 | compiler_success | or, say, balanced settings |
| 12:04.23 | Mr_Molez | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.51 | Mr_Molez | compiler_success: http://strayer.de/index.php?lang=eng&css=0&site=bzflag&site1=bz_clolist |
| 12:05.36 | *** join/#bzflag georgj (i=459f8878@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-ab6a0d02e29665b6) |
| 12:08.01 | compiler_success | another thing pls, I recall once i was on a map where wings can fly without stop.. you keep pressing tab and it would stay up |
| 12:08.50 | compiler_success | I can specify the shot limit for wings to be 4 and I can fly 4 times in a row, but after I fly 4 times, 4 times (I mean 4 seperate times in the air) the flag would auto drop |
| 12:10.52 | compiler_success | I put the +s 20 |
| 12:10.59 | compiler_success | but the flags are still in hundreds |
| 12:11.02 | compiler_success | wierd |
| 12:13.15 | Manu | compiler_success: -sl WG 4 |
| 12:13.37 | Manu | this only allow 4 flaps |
| 12:13.43 | compiler_success | what about the number of flags? |
| 12:13.50 | compiler_success | they are in hundreds |
| 12:14.13 | Manu | for example: +f OO{1} adds 1 OO flag |
| 12:14.44 | compiler_success | is there an option for an overall number of flags? |
| 12:15.08 | Manu | there are many options to manage the flags, reading the man page can help you ;) |
| 12:15.32 | compiler_success | I did, and I put the settings as described, but still I have hundreds of flags |
| 12:15.38 | compiler_success | could it be the map itself? |
| 12:15.48 | Manu | what map¿ |
| 12:15.50 | Manu | ? |
| 12:15.56 | compiler_success | viper |
| 12:16.00 | compiler_success | two towers |
| 12:16.10 | compiler_success | 219.95.187.146:5154 |
| 12:16.12 | Manu | no, viper hasn't flags inside, it's your +s 20 option |
| 12:16.36 | Manu | you can put by had the flags you what as I described you a few lines up |
| 12:16.59 | Manu | for example: +f IB{1} +f ST{2} +f T{2} +f N{1} |
| 12:17.36 | compiler_success | I thought there was an option like, I want 6 bad flags, and 10 good ones. randomley. so the total is no more than 16. thats what I specified |
| 12:17.41 | compiler_success | I think I will do that |
| 12:17.43 | compiler_success | thanks |
| 12:19.11 | Manu | you can do it.. setting ramdon flags and then using -f flag to disable the flags you don't want |
| 12:20.02 | compiler_success | oh sorry about the server, it wasn't working, now it is |
| 12:20.04 | compiler_success | 219.95.187.146:5154 |
| 12:21.01 | compiler_success | -f flag disables the flags I don't want? |
| 12:22.48 | Manu | yes -f GM disable GM |
| 12:22.57 | Manu | only for random flags |
| 12:23.44 | Manu | I use it at viper to set a random Genocide.. sometimes is genocide and others ST or QT |
| 12:36.30 | compiler_success | you're the owner of viper? |
| 12:36.41 | compiler_success | can you just share the config file pls? :) |
| 12:36.49 | Manu | I'm admin, Pimpinella is the owner |
| 12:37.25 | Manu | I did it and I don't want to share.. ;) |
| 12:37.42 | Manu | in this way Viper is different from other servers running the same map :) |
| 12:38.04 | Manu | I just told you how to set the flags. .now you must do the work |
| 12:48.10 | compiler_success | mine is not even public |
| 12:48.13 | compiler_success | its for lan players! |
| 12:48.20 | compiler_success | but okay.. I respect that |
| 12:49.06 | Manu | I wish you good luck with your server |
| 13:11.20 | compiler_success | :) thank. but server is a big word for it |
| 13:11.50 | compiler_success | you make it sound like a central station or something, but thanks. for all your good help |
| 13:12.00 | compiler_success | some people joined, but all left because of lag |
| 13:12.12 | Mr_Molez | EWWW LAG |
| 13:13.24 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (n=dennis@koderen.dk) |
| 13:16.13 | compiler_success | Manu, still there? |
| 13:17.11 | Skeeve | ~wake [dmp] |
| 13:17.24 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on [dmp] and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 13:18.01 | compiler_success | ~wake [Manu] |
| 13:18.02 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on [Manu] and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 13:18.16 | compiler_success | ~wake * |
| 13:18.19 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on * and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 13:18.40 | compiler_success | ~kill me |
| 13:18.41 | ibot | ACTION shoots a super-inverse fluxproton gun at compiler_success |
| 13:18.49 | Skeeve | ~shoot compiler_success |
| 13:18.52 | ibot | ACTION shoots compiler_success in the eye with a spitwad! |
| 13:19.05 | compiler_success | ~slice Skeeve |
| 13:19.24 | compiler_success | ~fry Skeeve |
| 13:19.26 | ibot | ACTION grabs Skeeve and fries him on his BFCooker9000 |
| 13:19.35 | compiler_success | good god |
| 13:20.25 | Skeeve | ~karma compiler_success |
| 13:20.25 | ibot | compiler_success has neutral karma |
| 13:20.49 | compiler_success | hmm |
| 13:21.15 | Skeeve | ~karma brlcad |
| 13:21.15 | ibot | brlcad has karma of 108 |
| 13:22.23 | Skeeve | ~karma ibot |
| 13:22.24 | ibot | ibot has karma of 16 |
| 13:22.44 | Skeeve | ~karma chamaeleon |
| 13:22.44 | ibot | chamaeleon has neutral karma |
| 13:23.08 | compiler_success | oh |
| 13:23.52 | compiler_success | I just remembered a map |
| 13:24.09 | compiler_success | it had something like a highway |
| 13:24.19 | compiler_success | when you jump into it, it would make you go fast |
| 13:24.26 | compiler_success | it was big |
| 13:24.44 | compiler_success | anyone can help me with the name of that bzw? |
| 13:30.39 | *** join/#bzflag ircleuser1 (n=OcutKoch@12-215-95-126.client.mchsi.com) |
| 13:33.14 | ircleuser1 | When I try to compile BZFlag, I get two errors: "fatal error: opening dependency file .deps/BzfWindow.T Location: BzfWindow.cxx:103" and "BzfWindow.cxx:103: fatal error: opening dependency file Location: Tool: 0". I'm using XCode on OS X to compile. |
| 13:41.00 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpi (n=frank@gondolin.pimpi.org) |
| 13:41.59 | compiler_success | ircleuser1, do you mind a binary? or you want to compile yourself? |
| 13:42.13 | ircleuser1 | Compiler: I want to try and compile it myself. |
| 13:42.23 | ircleuser1 | I think it's because I don't have libcurl, but I can't find out how to download it. |
| 13:42.33 | compiler_success | oh |
| 13:42.46 | compiler_success | I actually managed to download and build it on another platform |
| 13:42.54 | compiler_success | hold on I'll give you the link |
| 13:42.58 | ircleuser1 | Okay, thanks. |
| 13:43.56 | compiler_success | http://curl.haxx.se/download.html |
| 13:44.07 | compiler_success | get the first file on top of the page |
| 13:44.13 | compiler_success | http://curl.haxx.se/download/curl-7.15.5.tar.gz |
| 13:44.24 | ircleuser1 | Okay |
| 13:45.32 | ircleuser1 | Is there a difference between this and libcurl? |
| 13:45.58 | compiler_success | no |
| 13:46.33 | compiler_success | I mean libcurl is in included with that source |
| 13:46.53 | compiler_success | I built from that same source and I have libcurl in my system |
| 13:47.09 | compiler_success | wether it includes other binaries/libraries is something I don't know |
| 13:47.19 | compiler_success | I think there's a curl binary |
| 13:47.47 | ircleuser1 | I'll try to compile again, I just have to restart XCode. |
| 13:48.44 | ircleuser1 | Hmm... I still get those two errors. |
| 13:50.28 | ircleuser1 | And it says, Build failed for target "BZFlag" using build style "Development" (2 errors) |
| 13:50.57 | compiler_success | you have built and installed libcurl? |
| 13:51.05 | compiler_success | I'm no programmer |
| 13:51.33 | compiler_success | but first install libcurl/sdl/ and the rest of the libs then see if it doesnt build |
| 13:51.36 | ircleuser1 | I only dropped the folder into the library/frameworks folder |
| 13:51.51 | compiler_success | no |
| 13:52.06 | compiler_success | you have to unpack it then build it, install it |
| 13:52.13 | compiler_success | then it will be a usable library |
| 13:52.50 | ircleuser1 | I'm new to this. Do you know how I could do it through XCode? |
| 13:53.25 | compiler_success | I don't use a mac, but I could try giving you some commands until one of the good programmers in here wakes up and takes over |
| 13:53.30 | compiler_success | go to the command line |
| 13:53.41 | ircleuser1 | Okay. |
| 13:53.42 | compiler_success | ~wake brlcad |
| 13:53.51 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on brlcad and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 13:53.59 | ircleuser1 | lol :-D |
| 13:54.02 | compiler_success | now go to the folder where you have the file I just gave you the link for |
| 13:54.33 | ircleuser1 | k |
| 13:54.37 | compiler_success | go to the folder using the shell of course |
| 13:54.39 | compiler_success | now do this |
| 13:55.36 | compiler_success | gzip -d curl-7.15.5.tar.gz |
| 13:55.49 | compiler_success | tar -xf curl-7.15.5.tar |
| 13:56.13 | ircleuser1 | Oh. I already unzipped the file. |
| 13:56.29 | compiler_success | great go to the folder then with your shell |
| 13:56.31 | compiler_success | and.. |
| 13:56.34 | compiler_success | ./configure |
| 13:58.33 | compiler_success | ok so far? |
| 13:58.41 | ircleuser1 | Yeah. Thanks for helping me with this! |
| 13:58.51 | ircleuser1 | It's still configuring. |
| 13:59.44 | compiler_success | I'm a newbie myself :) |
| 14:00.01 | ircleuser1 | Not as much as I am :-D |
| 14:00.49 | ircleuser1 | It's done now. |
| 14:00.49 | compiler_success | believe me, as much |
| 14:00.49 | compiler_success | now try |
| 14:00.50 | Skeeve | He is, ircleuser1... Yesterday his nick was still compiler_failure ;-) |
| 14:00.50 | compiler_success | make |
| 14:00.50 | ircleuser1 | lol! |
| 14:00.50 | compiler_success | hehehe |
| 14:00.50 | compiler_success | yup |
| 14:00.50 | Skeeve | No. Honest! |
| 14:00.50 | compiler_success | ~kill Skeeve |
| 14:00.56 | ibot | ACTION shoots a ionized pseudophoton gun at Skeeve |
| 14:00.58 | Skeeve | ~hide Skeeve |
| 14:00.59 | ibot | ACTION gets a huge black sheet and covers Skeeve with it so that nobody can see what Skeeve is doing! |
| 14:01.02 | *** join/#bzflag ircleuse1 (n=OcutKoch@12-215-95-126.client.mchsi.com) |
| 14:01.10 | ircleuse1 | Aack. Ircle kicked me out. |
| 14:01.33 | *** join/#bzflag Bz_Win (n=Kyle@CPE0016b6de59f3-CM000f9fac8236.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 14:02.07 | ircleuser1 | I got kicked out after my last comment, so I haven't seen anything since then. |
| 14:02.39 | Skeeve | I just confirmed that it wasn't a joke but true. |
| 14:03.01 | compiler_success | now try |
| 14:03.02 | compiler_success | make |
| 14:03.18 | compiler_success | you missed nothing, or actually one thing.. this: |
| 14:03.24 | compiler_success | ~fry Skeeve |
| 14:03.25 | ibot | ACTION grabs Skeeve and fries him on his BFCooker9000 |
| 14:03.26 | ircleuser1 | :-) |
| 14:03.51 | compiler_success | Fairground map finally working nicely |
| 14:04.04 | Skeeve | Do you like eating fried Skeeve? Your first name is Hannibal I guess |
| 14:04.25 | compiler_success | not at all, just playing :) |
| 14:04.51 | compiler_success | free souls, feedback is welcome (and no I'm not trying to make a public server, this is purely for testing) |
| 14:05.08 | compiler_success | 219.95.187.146:5154 |
| 14:05.28 | compiler_success | ircleuser1, is make working (making) ? |
| 14:05.42 | compiler_success | you might need to install GNU's make.. not sure what comes with macs |
| 14:05.53 | ircleuser1 | It's working, yes. |
| 14:05.58 | compiler_success | great |
| 14:06.18 | ircleuser1 | It finished |
| 14:08.40 | compiler_success | make install |
| 14:09.18 | ircleuser1 | Okay. That just finished too. |
| 14:09.54 | compiler_success | now go back and try building bzflag |
| 14:11.04 | ircleuser1 | I still get the same errors, but it might be because I haven't installed SDL. |
| 14:11.10 | ircleuser1 | I'll try the same thing with SDL and see what happens. |
| 14:11.24 | compiler_success | ok |
| 14:11.41 | ircleuser1 | I've got to go for now, but thanks again for helping. |
| 14:12.00 | compiler_success | you're welcome |
| 14:12.06 | ircleuser1 | See you later |
| 14:20.45 | *** join/#bzflag gsnedders (n=gsnedder@host217-42-133-100.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 14:22.35 | compiler_success | thanks Skeeve ! |
| 14:23.23 | Skeeve | Was fun |
| 14:23.57 | compiler_success | your lag was 1800 somthing! |
| 14:25.08 | spldart | Ok.. is this a joke... When did 'Christopher Reeves Wheelchair' start playing the HEAD client??!!?? |
| 14:25.24 | Mr_Molez | yay chris |
| 14:25.24 | compiler_success | hey spldart, how is it going? |
| 14:25.57 | Skeeve | *wow* But no wonder. You'r in india, right? |
| 14:26.18 | spldart | It goes.. A well hung over go.. but it goes |
| 14:28.15 | Skeeve | /msg ibot help |
| 14:29.27 | Mr_Molez | ~exhcange 70 usd to gbp |
| 14:29.39 | Mr_Molez | ~exchange 70 usd to gbp |
| 14:30.07 | Mr_Molez | ~36.73/2 |
| 14:30.09 | ibot | 18.365 |
| 14:30.32 | compiler_success | no, malaysia |
| 14:32.29 | Skeeve | illway ompiler_successcay allfay ackbay otay ompiler_failurecay |
| 14:32.46 | compiler_success | what?! |
| 14:32.52 | Skeeve | it's piglatin |
| 14:32.57 | Skeeve | Ask ibot about it ;-) |
| 14:36.05 | spldart | compiler_success... is the .bzw you were asking about TimeTrials by Louman? Hosted that one myself a while last year |
| 14:38.00 | compiler_success | no, I was asking Manu to give his twin towers config file |
| 14:38.07 | compiler_success | but thanks :) |
| 14:38.14 | Skeeve | ~dance compiler_failure |
| 14:38.18 | ibot | compiler_failure, dance with me! Ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' Elive, stayin' Elive |
| 14:39.39 | compiler_success | the good ol' sgi is serving 6 |
| 14:39.40 | compiler_success | ops 5 |
| 14:39.49 | compiler_success | most of which with 1000+ lag! |
| 14:40.58 | *** join/#bzflag ep (n=mdr@ip68-228-173-218.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 14:41.49 | spldart | .bzw with racetrack and you jump on it you go real fast? |
| 14:42.30 | Skeeve | ~nickometer compiler_success |
| 14:42.44 | ToughShooter | spldart: Wow, he really played with 2.1? |
| 14:42.49 | spldart | 0_o |
| 14:42.54 | spldart | Yeah... |
| 14:43.02 | Skeeve | ~nickometer JeffM2501 |
| 14:43.14 | Skeeve | ~nickometer spldart |
| 14:43.20 | spldart | I'm really thinking he's been in here and many of us may know him under another name |
| 14:43.26 | spldart | o_0 |
| 14:44.35 | ToughShooter | Most tend to do a mistake with time |
| 14:44.45 | Skeeve | CRW plays with 2.1? Great! So he won't disturb the majority, right? |
| 14:44.54 | ToughShooter | So if he's here we probably find out one day |
| 14:45.14 | spldart | It's my suspicion he's been in here |
| 14:45.21 | Skeeve | Can't we analyze IPs? |
| 14:45.31 | spldart | May even be a regular but that's less likely |
| 14:45.41 | spldart | Ole CRW has plenty of IP's |
| 14:45.49 | ToughShooter | Skeeve: I don't think it's a good sign |
| 14:45.54 | compiler_success | ~nickometer Skeeve |
| 14:46.01 | compiler_success | what is this? |
| 14:46.04 | Skeeve | Of course. But do they come from a certain region in the world? |
| 14:46.30 | ToughShooter | Sounds like he is updating his cheats for 2.1 |
| 14:46.59 | ep | Just built 2.0.8 on ubuntu but I'm unable to create a deb package. checkinstall is bailing out with error: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/160607 Any help? |
| 14:47.03 | Skeeve | I thought there are means to prevent (most of) the cheats |
| 14:47.17 | spldart | Well... To be honest I don't know if he was running a cheat client since he came in there by himself but that would be my strong suspicion.... |
| 14:47.19 | ToughShooter | man I really wish hit detection would be server-side |
| 14:47.42 | spldart | There is a 2.0.8 deb package available for download already methinks |
| 14:48.27 | spldart | Ran across it once when searching for bz deb packages out of curiousity |
| 14:48.33 | spldart | Don't remember where now though |
| 14:48.37 | Skeeve | Man I wish there were a "if ( hit from CRW ) { ignore }" |
| 14:48.45 | spldart | LMAO |
| 14:49.14 | Skeeve | LMAO?? |
| 14:49.31 | spldart | laughing my arse off? |
| 14:49.34 | spldart | You was funny |
| 14:49.37 | Skeeve | Ah! Ok! ;-) |
| 14:49.48 | ToughShooter | lol, we could hardcode that into clients ;) |
| 14:49.54 | Chestal | ep: strange, mkdir -p shouldn't giv that error message |
| 14:50.04 | Skeeve | I always thought about cheating myself by implementing what you laughed about |
| 14:50.10 | ep | yeah it did look strange to me |
| 14:50.25 | Chestal | ep: -p is there so it doesn't complain if the dir is already there |
| 14:51.02 | Skeeve | Are user's permissions okay? |
| 14:51.43 | ep | sudo checkinstall |
| 14:51.52 | Skeeve | OTOH: mkdir -p /usr/bin doesn't complain here. And I'm not root |
| 14:53.33 | Skeeve | mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/local/man': File exists |
| 14:53.36 | Skeeve | FILE exists |
| 14:53.41 | Skeeve | not DIR exists! |
| 14:53.48 | Skeeve | rm /usr/local/man |
| 14:53.50 | Chestal | ah, indeed |
| 14:54.01 | ep | i'll try |
| 14:55.11 | ep | ah broken sym link to share/man |
| 14:57.33 | Skeeve | So now it works? |
| 14:59.12 | ep | yes that fixiee thanks |
| 15:07.41 | *** join/#bzflag L4m3r (n=Chris@c-66-229-1-237.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 15:39.00 | Skeeve | anyone else like this idea? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=89508 |
| 15:39.22 | Skeeve | or this? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8896 |
| 15:40.14 | *** join/#bzflag ircleuser1 (n=OcutKoch@12-215-95-126.client.mchsi.com) |
| 15:40.23 | ToughShooter | the second one would be cheating |
| 15:40.33 | ircleuser1 | I'm having trouble installing SDL on OS X. I get the following error: xcodebuild: Error: the directory /Users/ErikGersovitz/Desktop/SDL-1.2.11/Xcode/SDL does not contain an Xcode project. |
| 15:40.49 | ircleuser1 | And I'm following this guide: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8356&highlight=compiling+osx |
| 15:41.52 | Skeeve | If you apply the patch, TS: Yes. If it's generally available in the client: No |
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| 15:44.51 | ircleuser1 | Any ideas? |
| 15:46.17 | Skeeve | ircleuser1: Do you have a running bzflag client at hand, I mean: one that's already compiled? |
| 15:46.17 | ircleuser1 | Skeeve: Yes, I do. But I just wanted to try compiling it myself. |
| 15:46.25 | Skeeve | I had problems compiling SDL too and so I used one that came with a working client |
| 15:46.30 | Mr_Molez | CBG: ping |
| 15:46.47 | Skeeve | Okay... If it's just for the fun of it, I fear I can't help |
| 15:46.53 | Mr_Molez | CBG: ping u prick ! |
| 15:47.21 | ToughShooter | ircleuser1: I would rather recommend reading the README's comming with the source version of SDL |
| 15:48.59 | ircleuser1 | ToughShoot: The readme seems relatively confusing. |
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| 16:03.11 | brlcad | compiler_success: i've been awake for hours, early morning rowing |
| 16:06.07 | Skeeve | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.28 | Skeeve | I think this should help for at least some hits by CRW ;-) |
| 16:06.47 | Skeeve | s/killerC/killerCS/ |
| 16:07.14 | brlcad | Skeeve: you'd do a lot more to prevent him from joining by using the callsign filter |
| 16:07.33 | Skeeve | I have no server |
| 16:08.04 | Skeeve | And I just made that up because of the (more or less) joke some couple of minutes ago |
| 16:08.30 | Skeeve | Skeeve: Man I wish there were a "if ( hit from CRW ) { ignore }" |
| 16:08.45 | Skeeve | OOPS! |
| 16:08.49 | Skeeve | Should be a != |
| 16:09.18 | Theme97 | if (dieData->killerID == CRW_id) return; |
| 16:10.52 | *** join/#bzflag Theme97 (n=Theme97@adsl-67-121-105-190.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
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| 16:11.25 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v orange_away] by ChanServ |
| 16:11.46 | blast007 | I think it'd be more fun just to send CRW a valid of 0 for _tankSpeed |
| 16:11.52 | blast007 | value* |
| 16:12.13 | Skeeve | Or each time bad flags |
| 16:12.34 | Skeeve | just occasionally a good one so that he won't notice |
| 16:13.40 | Theme97 | A 0 for _tankSpeed and -100 for _shotSpeed? |
| 16:14.49 | Theme97 | Nevermind. :S |
| 16:14.54 | Skeeve | He will notice too soon |
| 16:15.13 | Skeeve | maybe a speed of 0.75 |
| 16:18.10 | Theme97 | Nah, a speed of 1000000000000000. He'll get autokicked for going out of the world. |
| 16:18.34 | Skeeve | As I said: He'll notice too early |
| 16:18.47 | Skeeve | Let's play tricks on him that are more subtle |
| 16:19.10 | Theme97 | ... Well 0.75 isn't "subtle", is it? |
| 16:19.21 | Skeeve | Why not? |
| 16:19.43 | Skeeve | 0.75 is a speed he won't be able to use for hunting you |
| 16:19.58 | Skeeve | then modify the reload time |
| 16:20.10 | Skeeve | 1 shot/0.5 second |
| 16:20.18 | Skeeve | and just bad flags |
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| 16:23.35 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JBdiGriz] by ChanServ |
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| 16:31.34 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
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| 17:14.17 | Mr_Molez | ~dns pillbox.bzleague.com |
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| 17:15.11 | compiler_faliure | ~dns me |
| 18:05.07 | compiler_success | ~dns ath.cx |
| 18:08.53 | Birdie | some one knows how to invite ibot to his channel (channel registered and bot was there before, just not came back:) ) |
| 18:10.37 | orange_away | ibot: ping |
| 18:10.39 | ibot | pong |
| 18:10.55 | Birdie | hmm and with saying this, bot came to there |
| 18:11.03 | ToughShooter | I already figured it out how to do |
| 18:11.22 | Birdie | ah thx |
| 18:11.33 | ToughShooter | /msg bot join #guleague |
| 18:11.53 | ToughShooter | It said it was already in #guleague ;) |
| 18:14.23 | spldart | Was digging through my logfile... ChrisWeevWheel got kicked for jumping to high max 20.26... height 30 |
| 18:17.52 | compiler_success | Steve Irwin have passed away, sadly :( |
| 18:18.37 | Mr_Molez | omg ! |
| 18:18.54 | ToughShooter | spldart: Was that the newest server? |
| 18:19.41 | blast007 | compiler_success: yeah :( |
| 18:21.21 | compiler_success | I, to be perfectly honest, have barely watched his shows (two episodes, and while in gym).. but I do recall that he had a very appealing personality. simple and enthusiastic about what he does |
| 18:21.37 | compiler_success | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Irwin |
| 18:23.33 | compiler_success | the accident was filmed |
| 18:23.40 | Mr_Molez | :O |
| 18:24.01 | spldart | yes HEAD server |
| 18:24.46 | compiler_success | Mr_Molez, refresh my memory, did you tell me yesterday that you're an australian? or was it someone else? |
| 18:24.56 | Mr_Molez | compiler_success: some 1 else |
| 18:25.08 | compiler_success | so that would make you coming from ...? |
| 18:25.17 | Mr_Molez | UK |
| 18:25.20 | compiler_success | right |
| 18:25.35 | compiler_success | of course :) |
| 18:25.39 | compiler_success | I recall now |
| 18:25.40 | Mr_Molez | ;) |
| 18:32.14 | ToughShooter | spldart: Looks like my new height check works, correct? |
| 18:40.20 | spldart | LOL... was that the new tidbit of code you wrote? ... You got 'em |
| 18:40.46 | spldart | That bzfs was compiled and built yesterday |
| 18:40.59 | ToughShooter | spldart: Well, can you jump 30 units high on this server? |
| 18:41.10 | spldart | Jump height is set standard |
| 18:41.21 | ToughShooter | Then it sounds like he did cheat |
| 18:41.43 | spldart | It's legoland with standard settings... lemme check again real quick |
| 18:43.57 | *** join/#bzflag compiler_success (n=compiler@219.95.187.146) |
| 18:44.32 | spldart | only tank characteristics modified are tankspeed=30 endshotdetect -1 noclimb 0 radarlimit 1000 |
| 18:45.10 | ToughShooter | so he did either cheat (more likely with his "reputation") or the check was wrong |
| 18:45.18 | spldart | wings doesn't mess with your jump code does it? |
| 18:45.24 | ToughShooter | It does |
| 18:45.35 | ToughShooter | You can jump higher with wings |
| 18:45.35 | spldart | I have wings with 5 flaps |
| 18:45.38 | blast007 | is this only in HEAD? |
| 18:45.59 | ToughShooter | it's a new 2.1 thing |
| 18:46.01 | spldart | this came up in my HEAD client but with ChrisopherReevesWheelchair |
| 18:46.21 | blast007 | so CRW is cheating in HEAD too...heh |
| 18:46.50 | spldart | Ok... If I have wings with a jumpcount of -5 will that false positive the jump check? |
| 18:46.51 | ToughShooter | Of course I'll keep my eye on the check but I think it does a good job right now |
| 18:47.08 | ToughShooter | no, you can jump higher |
| 18:47.15 | ToughShooter | spldart: test it :p |
| 18:47.36 | ToughShooter | err, -5? |
| 18:47.40 | ToughShooter | not 5? |
| 18:47.42 | spldart | Can I with any client with the same protocol.. |
| 18:49.42 | ToughShooter | not sure, better don't pause on buildings but it should work |
| 18:50.07 | ToughShooter | I mean the height check |
| 18:50.29 | CBG | Mr_Molez: pong babes |
| 18:55.35 | *** join/#bzflag LePoulpe303 (n=olivier@AMontpellier-157-1-97-225.w86-211.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:55.50 | spldart | Does IDENTIFY detect flag ID's in 3d or does it detect them as if on 1 plane? |
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| 18:56.26 | *** part/#bzflag LePoulpe303 (n=olivier@AMontpellier-157-1-97-225.w86-211.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:56.54 | CBG | spldart: I'm fairly sure it works in 3D. |
| 18:57.04 | ToughShooter | It did in 2.0.x |
| 18:57.17 | ToughShooter | It's all changed in 2.1 |
| 18:57.46 | spldart | OK.... |
| 18:57.56 | CBG | ToughShooter: changed to what? :( |
| 18:58.05 | ToughShooter | no idea how it currently checks |
| 18:58.31 | spldart | Tested with the HEAD client and NO... Wings jump is a hair under 20 units and even if I flew up 5 'flaps' I never triggered the jump kick |
| 18:58.46 | spldart | So I assume we can conclude that CRW was indeed cheating |
| 18:59.06 | ToughShooter | Heh, cheating on 2.1 |
| 18:59.31 | ToughShooter | That's funny, one would think he tries it out locally |
| 18:59.49 | spldart | I've wondered about that |
| 18:59.55 | spldart | Not sure what to think |
| 19:00.48 | spldart | He's obviously able to hack a bit of code and build from source though hehe |
| 19:02.38 | spldart | Congrats on a, first?, cheat kicked. ;-) |
| 19:06.09 | *** join/#bzflag cosmos (n=cosmos@tuxproof.bunker.hepcat.org) |
| 19:07.29 | Skeeve | Where is CRW today? |
| 19:08.04 | Skeeve | I just implemented my CRW ignore cheat and would love to see hime around |
| 19:08.46 | spldart | I'm curious if he visited the |
| 19:08.59 | Skeeve | IRC!? |
| 19:09.01 | Skeeve | Maybe |
| 19:09.02 | spldart | sword of kahless server...the only other head server online at least rightnow |
| 19:09.11 | Skeeve | Ah! 2.1 :-( |
| 19:09.16 | Skeeve | I forgot |
| 19:09.34 | Skeeve | Have to port to 2.1 then I guess |
| 19:10.19 | Skeeve | spldart are there many players on your server right now? |
| 19:10.28 | Skeeve | on your 2.0 I mean |
| 19:10.44 | spldart | No... last left a minute ago |
| 19:10.45 | Skeeve | I'd love to test the cheat on a "real" server |
| 19:11.05 | spldart | what cheat? |
| 19:11.06 | Skeeve | I'd change the cheat to ignore your shots then |
| 19:11.13 | Skeeve | My cheat to ignor CRW |
| 19:11.17 | spldart | ah |
| 19:11.17 | spldart | lol |
| 19:11.21 | spldart | Ok... I'm game |
| 19:11.55 | spldart | I'm spldart in bzworld so ignore 'spldart' shots and I'll join you in my 2.0 server... |
| 19:12.45 | Skeeve | have to find bzworld first |
| 19:12.49 | ToughShooter | spldart: I tested it with _wingsJumpCount -5 it does not kick |
| 19:12.50 | spldart | no |
| 19:13.04 | ToughShooter | same with -1 ec |
| 19:13.04 | spldart | I'm spldart.opencombat.net |
| 19:13.05 | ToughShooter | etc |
| 19:13.19 | spldart | when I said bzworld thatmeans I'm always spldart no matter the map |
| 19:13.23 | spldart | Anywho |
| 19:13.37 | spldart | spldart.opencombat.net:5154 |
| 19:13.48 | spldart | Kew ts |
| 19:14.13 | spldart | there you are |
| 19:16.50 | ToughShooter | lol, where are you |
| 19:17.54 | CBG | if (source == "CRW") { |
| 19:17.55 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.56 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.57 | CBG | } |
| 19:19.39 | cosmos | cheaters forum |
| 19:19.52 | Skeeve | Almos CBG |
| 19:20.03 | Mr_Molez | CBG: distributing cheats eh :P ? |
| 19:20.09 | CBG | No, ANTI-cheats! :P |
| 19:20.11 | spldart | anticheaters_cheat forum |
| 19:20.11 | Skeeve | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.24 | Skeeve | It's configurable |
| 19:20.28 | spldart | I love it.. |
| 19:20.35 | Skeeve | set Alt-F10 to /poll ban CHEATERNAME |
| 19:20.43 | Skeeve | and shots from CHEATERNAME are ignored |
| 19:20.44 | blast007 | um... Skeeve, that would be a cheat in itself |
| 19:20.49 | blast007 | so please don't post that here |
| 19:20.57 | Skeeve | Yes, it is |
| 19:21.09 | Skeeve | I didn't say where to put it after all |
| 19:21.15 | blast007 | same for CBG, if that's a client side cheat |
| 19:21.17 | cosmos | skeeve is a cheater! |
| 19:21.20 | blast007 | s/cheat/mod/ |
| 19:21.29 | spldart | I wonder |
| 19:21.56 | Skeeve | I won't put that in the forum or on sourceforge |
| 19:22.00 | CBG | blast007: you know how much C++ I know -> none. I very very very much doubt that my code would do anything besides breaking something. :P |
| 19:22.04 | blast007 | Skeeve: still, even if you didn't say where to put it, this is not the place for it |
| 19:22.21 | spldart | What if the 'cheat' to allow you to not be killed by a 'cheater' also prevented you from killing a cheater... more code I know.. but then you would not have an unfair advantage against that cheater |
| 19:22.26 | Skeeve | Is this logged somewhere or gone by now? |
| 19:22.35 | Skeeve | If logged I'm very very sorry |
| 19:22.38 | Skeeve | Can we delte it |
| 19:22.39 | blast007 | Skeeve: all chat is logged here |
| 19:22.40 | Skeeve | ? |
| 19:22.41 | CBG | ~logs |
| 19:22.42 | ibot | methinks logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 19:22.44 | Skeeve | ARG |
| 19:22.46 | ToughShooter | Of course it is logged |
| 19:22.54 | Skeeve | Didn't know |
| 19:23.00 | Skeeve | Can you remove it? |
| 19:23.08 | blast007 | no |
| 19:23.15 | Skeeve | Darn! |
| 19:23.18 | Skeeve | Sorry again |
| 19:23.29 | spldart | :-( |
| 19:24.04 | Skeeve | can we ask the owner of rikers.org (Tim) to remove it? |
| 19:25.18 | AAA_awright | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.42 | Skeeve | After all: I'm asking for it |
| 19:25.58 | Skeeve | I don't see it wrong if I want it to be removed |
| 19:26.10 | Mr_Molez | AAA_awright: except when the point skeeve just made is taken into account ;) |
| 19:26.10 | AAA_awright | Hey, there is an idea. |
| 19:26.54 | Skeeve | Hmmm |
| 19:26.56 | blast007 | probably isn't too important to have it removed |
| 19:26.58 | Skeeve | Where is the idea? |
| 19:26.58 | AAA_awright | Each BZFlag client monitors 2-3 other tanks for tnormally impossable things. If the tank does these impossable things more than the rest, it sends a special message to the server admin to confirm with logs. |
| 19:27.31 | Skeeve | Thanks blast. BTW: Is /msg logged to? |
| 19:27.39 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.57 | Skeeve | So IF i have something like this to discuss with - say you - it would be good to /msg... okay.. read |
| 19:28.10 | AAA_awright | and/or another few clients. If the other clients think so, than the players can jointly file a complaint with the server. |
| 19:28.15 | Skeeve | good idea AAA |
| 19:28.20 | spldart | we can talk about all kind of naughty things with /msg |
| 19:28.21 | AAA_awright | And no server stress. |
| 19:28.36 | Skeeve | The Server should decide which client should monitor which others. |
| 19:29.15 | Skeeve | Each one should be monitored by 3 (so the majority decides) and each observer's ID should (if possible) come from a different range |
| 19:29.25 | AAA_awright | There should also be the idea of karma, if other players identify someone as a cheater, the cheaters opinions on who is cheating should be disreguarded. |
| 19:30.01 | blast007 | AAA_awright: that won't happen (clients monitoring other clients) |
| 19:30.02 | Skeeve | I already asked for that, AAA. This could just be done serverwise IIRC |
| 19:30.12 | blast007 | you can't trust the clients |
| 19:30.21 | Skeeve | See above, blast |
| 19:30.35 | Skeeve | 3 Clients, to with the same observation? |
| 19:30.45 | Skeeve | Isn't it at least worth a try? |
| 19:30.46 | blast007 | Skeeve: what if all 3 clients are modified to lie? |
| 19:30.55 | Mr_Molez | or they lag :P |
| 19:30.57 | blast007 | and no, it's not worth a try |
| 19:30.58 | blast007 | yeah |
| 19:30.58 | AAA_awright | No you cant, but if many of the clients notice somthing going on, than they appeal to the server to investigate. |
| 19:31.02 | Skeeve | See above: If possible from different IP ranges |
| 19:31.20 | blast007 | AAA_awright: so the server will have to know if a client is cheating anyway |
| 19:31.20 | Skeeve | And: The server should rotate who watches whom |
| 19:31.26 | Mr_Molez | Skeeve: wont it be easier and just the same for the server to check ? |
| 19:31.44 | blast007 | and if the server can check for that, why not make it constantly check for cheating? |
| 19:31.53 | AAA_awright | Only 1 person has to report sospious activity, than the server asks 4-5 more people to check on the player for 10 or so minutes, |
| 19:31.59 | Skeeve | The server to check 30 almost simultanious shots from 50 clients? |
| 19:32.12 | blast007 | AAA_awright: it's a nice idea, it just won't work, nor is is practical |
| 19:32.25 | blast007 | Skeeve: why not? |
| 19:32.27 | AAA_awright | ... what part? |
| 19:32.35 | Skeeve | You can't say so if you didn't try ;-) |
| 19:32.35 | blast007 | right now it takes up absolutely no CPU power |
| 19:32.53 | blast007 | I can run a server on a Pentium 133 with no noticable CPU usage |
| 19:33.28 | AAA_awright | The trusted server only checks players when _many_ untruesed clients "complain" |
| 19:33.39 | AAA_awright | Get it? |
| 19:33.51 | Skeeve | Why should the server investigate, AAA... 2/3 say CHEATER and off goes the kick ;-) |
| 19:34.00 | blast007 | the server should *always* check, that is my point :) |
| 19:34.04 | Skeeve | or let's say 4/5 |
| 19:34.07 | AAA_awright | Just being safe... |
| 19:34.36 | Mr_Molez | the lag between the player and the server is a better way to check that lag between a player server and another player :P |
| 19:34.39 | AAA_awright | for example, if 5 cheaters connected to the server all at once, and they all reported "not a cheater" at the same time, no matter what. |
| 19:34.44 | blast007 | Mr_Molez: exactly |
| 19:34.44 | Mr_Molez | that = than |
| 19:34.53 | Skeeve | If a client says "A is cheating" but the client is not considered watching A it is ignored |
| 19:36.39 | AAA_awright | If 2 of any 5 clients says to the server "playerA is cheating", than the server monitors the client itself. Or it can ask more clients of their oppinion. |
| 19:37.14 | Skeeve | That sounds good - the last part I mean... ask others for their opinion |
| 19:38.04 | AAA_awright | And this has to be an impossable event for some time, I have been kicked off for going over the speed limit when being stuck in a pyramid for 1/100 of a second. |
| 19:38.57 | AAA_awright | Driving right through a wall, or going over a speed limit for 3 seconds, or traveling 1/4 of a field in an impossable timespan |
| 19:39.22 | Skeeve | CRW is just ignoring shots |
| 19:40.15 | AAA_awright | yes. Driving fast is easy, but lag and shots would be hard to monitor... |
| 19:40.27 | blast007 | AAA_awright: but why not have the server constantly monitor ALL clients? |
| 19:40.52 | Skeeve | because you can trash your Pentium 133 then, blast |
| 19:41.04 | AAA_awright | exactly. |
| 19:41.58 | AAA_awright | It would tie up the network, too. Normally the server dosn't do much with the player position packets. |
| 19:41.58 | Skeeve | blast007 Do you know something about stopShot? |
| 19:41.58 | blast007 | you still wouldn't cause much strain on this system |
| 19:42.24 | blast007 | I only run 6 players max, due to bandwidth |
| 19:42.36 | AAA_awright | Anyway, the clients already have the physics drivers installed. That would mean a larger bzfs biniary.\ |
| 19:42.41 | blast007 | most game servers require a lot more power |
| 19:43.28 | blast007 | AAA_awright: your reasons for wanting this are not strong enough ;) |
| 19:43.33 | blast007 | it's been discussed before |
| 19:43.36 | blast007 | the same idea |
| 19:44.12 | blast007 | you simply can't trust other clients, and the server should be authoratitve |
| 19:45.45 | AAA_awright | General idea: clients complains to server, server details suspected cheater. If confirmed, it can msg the admins, email the owner, or just ban. |
| 19:45.55 | AAA_awright | *server owner |
| 19:46.18 | gsnedders | the client can be modified so it complains about everyone. |
| 19:46.55 | AAA_awright | note plurl.at least two clients. And what good would randomly comalaining do? |
| 19:47.10 | AAA_awright | That is why the server checks itself. |
| 19:47.23 | AAA_awright | *sees for itself. |
| 19:47.35 | blast007 | AAA_awright: you still have not explained the need for this ;) |
| 19:47.43 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (n=spldart@cpe-70-116-149-121.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 19:47.58 | blast007 | it doesn't have to tie up the net |
| 19:48.05 | blast007 | there's this thing called threads |
| 19:48.15 | gsnedders | AAA_awright: more than one modified client? |
| 19:48.27 | AAA_awright | need.....? |
| 19:48.54 | AAA_awright | Mabye a simple karma system would do. |
| 19:48.57 | blast007 | there is no logical reason that the clients need to "review" the behavior of another client before the server checks to see if they are cheating |
| 19:49.08 | blast007 | and karma has been an idea for years |
| 19:49.16 | blast007 | probably since 1.7 it was an idea |
| 19:49.24 | gsnedders | flawed, for the same reasons as what you suggested before |
| 19:50.05 | blast007 | make the server smarter, since you HAVE to do that for your "peer-review" idea to work anyway |
| 19:50.22 | blast007 | you're just creating more work with little to no benefit |
| 19:50.27 | AAA_awright | for Minimal server load..? The clients should be the ones with the graphics cards and powerful processors ;) |
| 19:50.31 | AAA_awright | True. |
| 19:50.50 | gsnedders | AAA_awright: the server could end up watching all the players anyway. |
| 19:50.51 | blast007 | we don't need to maintain minimal load, and adding checks won't affect the load much |
| 19:50.58 | cosmos | the Hepcat solution is a plugin that makes cheaters computers explode in their faces. |
| 19:51.05 | blast007 | cosmos: hehe |
| 19:51.12 | gsnedders | cosmos: :) |
| 19:51.43 | AAA_awright | Even an in-game karma system, not listserver wide. Karma gets too low and you are banned for 5 minutes. |
| 19:52.07 | gsnedders | the server owners should set rules, not the players. |
| 19:52.12 | blast007 | AAA_awright: I have never liked the idea of karma |
| 19:52.37 | blast007 | the client should only be sent the info it needs |
| 19:52.48 | AAA_awright | worried that you will shoot a teammate with G... |
| 19:53.19 | gsnedders | AAA_awright: huh? |
| 19:53.51 | blast007 | AAA_awright: if you write up a peer-review system, you are free to do that, but I do not think it would even be put in |
| 19:54.12 | AAA_awright | it sounded good midnight yesterday... |
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| 19:57.34 | AAA_awright | Well, what is wrong with a local, connection-long karma count? two bullets in a row hit a teammate, karma goes down. cap a opponents flag, karma goes up. and so on... |
| 19:58.30 | AAA_awright | and constiantly ajusted so the average karma is zero. |
| 20:00.25 | AAA_awright | ... no one likes the listserver-karma alternitive. |
| 20:00.47 | blast007 | AAA_awright: there is already a tk-kick :) |
| 20:00.52 | AAA_awright | I mean, the alternitive to one implemented on the listserver level |
| 20:01.39 | AAA_awright | We could use that, but it needs improving. All i need to do is have a geno bullet hit a stupid teammember... |
| 20:12.19 | [dmp] | isnt the idea with karma, that people give karma to eachother? |
| 20:13.34 | [dmp] | the listserver cant tell if its was an accident, the teammate that got tk's own fault, or the shooter. People can (or should be able to) |
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| 20:35.28 | AAA_awright | Where in the bzfs protocol does BZFlag identify people as @ administrators, + registered, etc. |
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| 20:53.10 | blast007 | AAA_awright: look in src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.cxx |
| 20:53.25 | blast007 | there isn't really any 'protocol' that controls the character directly |
| 20:54.02 | AAA_awright | k |
| 20:55.12 | AAA_awright | where is the player::isAdmin() definition? |
| 20:57.02 | blast007 | find what 'player' is defined as, then look for that class definition |
| 20:57.49 | blast007 | for me, I just have to right click and "Go to definition" :) |
| 20:59.17 | AAA_awright | Im personally using webCVS and krugle right now, prehaps it is time to download the source and import it into an IDE? |
| 21:00.49 | blast007 | yeah :) |
| 21:06.03 | JeffM2501 | if you are gonna be searching stuff, then yeah you want something that can search for definitions |
| 21:06.12 | AAA_awright | Now i am looking for where BZFlag calls Player::setAdmin... going nowhere very fast |
| 21:06.27 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you on? |
| 21:07.04 | AAA_awright | XP... I *will* see about loading this into some ide soon... |
| 21:07.18 | JeffM2501 | VC 2005 express has very good search tools |
| 21:07.30 | JeffM2501 | it is only going to get harder if you use the web |
| 21:07.35 | CBG | JeffM2501: can you suggest some fancy yet free, C++ editor for Mac OS X 10.3.9? |
| 21:07.37 | JeffM2501 | stuff is called from all over the place |
| 21:07.47 | JeffM2501 | cbg, xcode |
| 21:07.55 | CBG | uh, ok, thanks |
| 21:08.01 | JeffM2501 | it's the only one I've used |
| 21:08.09 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure there are other editors out there |
| 21:08.13 | JeffM2501 | that work on code |
| 21:08.19 | CBG | ok, it has to be grepping and using textedit. :) |
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| 21:08.49 | JeffM2501 | unless you have an IDE that knows what files are part of the project, then yes, it's all basic grep and some form of text editor |
| 21:09.13 | AAA_awright | That isn't helping me.... when does the server say to the client "x is an admin" or "x is registered but unverified" |
| 21:09.19 | orchid_ | does the windows shell have grep? |
| 21:09.24 | orchid_ | hmm a tail |
| 21:09.25 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:09.43 | JeffM2501 | AAA_awright, do you just want us to do the work for you? |
| 21:09.48 | JeffM2501 | cus tha'ts what your asking |
| 21:10.22 | AAA_awright | My linux box is compiling gentoo right now,.. and yes, I know. I can only imagine that *someone* programmed it. |
| 21:10.47 | JeffM2501 | we don't know all the lines of code off the top of our heads |
| 21:10.52 | JeffM2501 | it's found by searching |
| 21:10.58 | JeffM2501 | what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 21:11.50 | AAA_awright | Mostly learn the protocol |
| 21:12.05 | JeffM2501 | then realy you are going to need the full source to browse thru |
| 21:12.07 | AAA_awright | http://bzflag.redjacket.ws and this |
| 21:12.13 | JeffM2501 | it all dosn't happen at one place |
| 21:12.29 | AAA_awright | Ive been browsing through the source... for a while now. |
| 21:12.42 | JeffM2501 | no, you've been looking at specific files online |
| 21:12.51 | JeffM2501 | you have to be able to search across files |
| 21:12.53 | blast007 | orchid: I just install this: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ ;) |
| 21:14.02 | JeffM2501 | if you want to track it from the server side, check the API function plugins use to set the stuff |
| 21:14.03 | orchid | ooh, similar to cgywin? |
| 21:14.08 | blast007 | native though |
| 21:14.52 | orchid | oh cool, theres zsh |
| 21:15.04 | blast007 | yup |
| 21:17.33 | JeffM2501 | AAA_awright, it's set in the player info message, just so you know. |
| 21:21.07 | AAA_awright | spacififly what packet... MsgAddPlayer? |
| 21:21.19 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:21.24 | JeffM2501 | the playerInfo message |
| 21:21.29 | JeffM2501 | it's a seperate message |
| 21:21.51 | AAA_awright | ok... |
| 21:22.28 | Skeeve | Hi JeffM2501, wizard of less denim and messages ;-) Did you read this http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8895 ? I'm eager to get your oppinion |
| 21:22.51 | JeffM2501 | what about it? |
| 21:23.07 | Skeeve | flag stolen message |
| 21:23.27 | JeffM2501 | I know that,I can read :) |
| 21:23.29 | JeffM2501 | what about it? |
| 21:23.33 | Skeeve | I'd love to see it displayed like "Closest Flag" |
| 21:23.41 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 21:23.45 | JeffM2501 | code it up |
| 21:23.50 | Skeeve | What's your oppinion is it a good idea? |
| 21:24.04 | JeffM2501 | mehh |
| 21:24.08 | Skeeve | Okay. This time I'll try it |
| 21:24.11 | JeffM2501 | can't realy hurt tho |
| 21:24.20 | orchid | not a bad idea really |
| 21:24.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah same as a shot message |
| 21:24.54 | wizart | yes. good idea. I sometimes don't notice when a flag gets stolen |
| 21:24.59 | Skeeve | ;-) I thought so |
| 21:25.03 | wizart | ncan be embarassing if it was an ST :) |
| 21:25.12 | JeffM2501 | heck you can probaly do it now in 2.0.x |
| 21:25.18 | JeffM2501 | as the shot client does the hit check |
| 21:25.23 | JeffM2501 | so it knows who hit them with theif |
| 21:25.33 | JeffM2501 | so no real proto change |
| 21:25.46 | wizart | btw. You are aware of the problems with the thief flag? |
| 21:26.09 | wizart | sometimes when a flag get'Ss tolen the last shot isn't thief but a shot |
| 21:26.16 | JeffM2501 | yes I use my psycic powers to probe players all the time |
| 21:26.28 | wizart | so no 2 seconds reload time in this case |
| 21:26.36 | JeffM2501 | yes there are many problems with shots being tied to flags |
| 21:26.45 | JeffM2501 | theif is just one way to get that to happen |
| 21:27.06 | JeffM2501 | we need to store the shot type and info with the shot, not just the player :) |
| 21:27.20 | wizart | hehe. yes that sounds like a good idea |
| 21:27.25 | wizart | btw. in rabbit chase |
| 21:27.33 | wizart | if you are the rabbit and shot |
| 21:27.38 | wizart | then you get killed |
| 21:27.46 | wizart | and are not the rabbit anymore |
| 21:27.50 | JeffM2501 | there are a number of places in the code that makes asumptions about the states of shots based on the current state of the player |
| 21:27.54 | wizart | and your shot hits after taht |
| 21:27.59 | JeffM2501 | similar deal |
| 21:28.08 | wizart | ndo you get a point or do you lose one ? |
| 21:39.49 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
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| 21:45.00 | JeffM2501 | time to go buy food, and see how orange my hair got |
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| 23:46.35 | spldart | So you would recommend 'Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition' as a windows tinker with bz code tool Jeff? |
| 23:47.02 | spldart | Ooop.. he's away |
| 23:47.43 | JeffM2501 | no, I'd recomend the full version :) |
| 23:47.47 | JeffM2501 | but that ain't free |
| 23:48.16 | spldart | Would the free ver. be rather useful anywho? |
| 23:48.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:48.37 | spldart | thanks |
| 23:48.40 | JeffM2501 | you have to go thru a couple hoops to get bz to build |
| 23:48.45 | JeffM2501 | but once you do it's basicly the smae |
| 23:48.47 | JeffM2501 | same |
| 23:49.19 | spldart | Well... I was more intereested in working with the source code then moving it over to the linux box and building and testing |
| 23:49.33 | spldart | But the idea of maybe building on win box is intriquing too |
| 23:49.52 | spldart | I never got around to finishing trying to get mingw to work |
| 23:49.55 | JeffM2501 | once you get it setup, it's nice cus the ide shows you all the files in it |
| 23:50.24 | spldart | kew |
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