| 00:00.21 | Theme97 | You mean http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=89195 ? |
| 00:00.49 | CBG | oh man, a 3rd post... :( |
| 00:01.46 | spldart | What would cause one player have no turret during a match? http://spldart.opencombat.net:92/noturret.png I know it's a bad screenshot but his tank had almost no turret |
| 00:02.14 | CBG | I dunno who's worse, -Q- or PP™ |
| 00:02.18 | JeffM2501 | i'm sure "both" of them will be loosing there posting permisions quite soon |
| 00:02.29 | JeffM2501 | suposedly -Q- is pp's son |
| 00:02.40 | CBG | pp has a son..? riiiiight |
| 00:02.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:02.45 | CBG | as if pp is a say over 13. |
| 00:02.54 | JeffM2501 | as I say, it'll be soon |
| 00:03.01 | CBG | I'm glad to hear it. |
| 00:03.30 | L4m3r | perhaps you should invoke COPPA and not allow people under 13 to post in the forums |
| 00:03.35 | L4m3r | registration for play only |
| 00:03.54 | JeffM2501 | that would mean more mods |
| 00:04.08 | L4m3r | O rly? my mistake |
| 00:04.57 | nick125_lappy | I think phpbb has COPPA support builtin |
| 00:05.45 | nick125_lappy | but, try finding a person that actually tells the truth on those.. |
| 00:06.02 | CBG | I've never told my real age on the internet... |
| 00:06.26 | spldart | I don't either.. but that's more like a hiding my grey kinda thing |
| 00:06.31 | CBG | Well, more to the point, I've always said I am my real age, or older. |
| 00:06.51 | CBG | I was older than 13 when I joined the bzbb, so no need to lie then, for example. |
| 00:07.34 | JeffM2501 | and there is the lovely PM from him |
| 00:07.42 | CBG | uhoh |
| 00:07.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah this is going to end well... |
| 00:07.53 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 00:07.57 | JeffM2501 | little bit of a fowl mouth on that "kid" |
| 00:08.05 | CBG | I see fireworks, and this aint either July 4th or halloween. |
| 00:08.39 | nick125_lappy | maybe they are getting a early start on halloween this year.. |
| 00:09.17 | CBG | VERY early, maybe. |
| 00:10.22 | nick125_lappy | aw, its just two months or so |
| 00:10.39 | spldart | Back to my question. My client renders other tanks textures... and there should be no way a player can effect how his tank is rendered... Yet... after multiple kills and during multiple engagments that same player has no turret.. about 6 or 7 on the server... my server |
| 00:12.40 | CBG | Sawn-Off Turrret ? |
| 00:12.54 | JonathanD | must be it |
| 00:12.59 | JonathanD | cheat:CBG |
| 00:13.13 | JeffM2501 | and there is the PM from the "father" |
| 00:13.19 | CBG | Ssshhhh, JonathanD ! |
| 00:13.33 | CBG | JeffM2501: sure it's not "mother" ? ;) |
| 00:13.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah whatever |
| 00:13.47 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 00:13.55 | JeffM2501 | aperantly both of them are going to "sue me for all I have got" |
| 00:13.56 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:14.00 | nick125_lappy | LOL |
| 00:14.02 | CBG | rofl |
| 00:14.03 | L4m3r | ROFL |
| 00:14.08 | Bz_Win | With thier allowance? |
| 00:14.08 | CBG | for... what...? |
| 00:14.09 | spldart | I'm sure your response to that is "brint it |
| 00:14.10 | spldart | " |
| 00:14.15 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 00:14.21 | JonathanD | heh |
| 00:14.22 | nick125_lappy | good luck with that... |
| 00:14.24 | L4m3r | that post... ahahahaha, way to go out without style |
| 00:14.26 | JonathanD | what did I miss? |
| 00:14.31 | Bz_Win | RPFL, JEFF |
| 00:14.33 | Bz_Win | ROFL* |
| 00:14.34 | Bz_Win | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8850 |
| 00:14.34 | L4m3r | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8850 |
| 00:14.38 | L4m3r | jinx |
| 00:14.39 | Bz_Win | I got it first! |
| 00:14.42 | Bz_Win | ha! |
| 00:14.42 | spldart | lol |
| 00:14.45 | spldart | no tag backs |
| 00:14.47 | JeffM2501 | and there it is |
| 00:15.00 | L4m3r | lol |
| 00:15.07 | nick125_lappy | spldart: I've been threatened to be sued about 10 times, and been threatened to be "thrown in jail" twice |
| 00:15.17 | Bz_Win | I responded :P |
| 00:15.31 | JonathanD | you deleted my posts |
| 00:15.45 | nick125_lappy | LOL HAHAAHA |
| 00:15.49 | nick125_lappy | I read that post |
| 00:16.02 | Bz_Win | yay deleted |
| 00:16.21 | JonathanD | see |
| 00:16.23 | JonathanD | you deleted ALL my posts! |
| 00:16.33 | Bz_Win | Did you change your name? :p |
| 00:16.35 | spldart | I've only been threatened with jail once.. by a cop |
| 00:16.49 | CBG | uh, I tried to reply and "Sorry, but only can reply to posts in this forum."... too slow again :( |
| 00:17.02 | L4m3r | awwww jeff, I was gonna post this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/chriswible/getoffstage.jpg |
| 00:17.12 | Bz_Win | LOL |
| 00:17.15 | nick125_lappy | JeffM2501: do you have a hotkey to delete posts? |
| 00:17.19 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:17.22 | JeffM2501 | F9 |
| 00:17.26 | JeffM2501 | XP is F7 |
| 00:17.33 | L4m3r | lol |
| 00:17.34 | CBG | lol L4m3r |
| 00:17.39 | nick125_lappy | L4m3r: hahahaha |
| 00:17.58 | nick125_lappy | seriously though, good luck suing |
| 00:17.58 | Bz_Win | I figured my key had been un-hotted |
| 00:18.02 | Bz_Win | oh well.. |
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| 00:18.22 | nick125_lappy | technically, its a private website, and, you have the right to delete whatever posts you feel right |
| 00:18.32 | L4m3r | yeah... |
| 00:18.34 | CBG | Exactly. |
| 00:18.38 | L4m3r | as with just about any website |
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| 00:18.52 | JonathanD | especially whitehouse.gov... |
| 00:19.02 | L4m3r | I ran a high school forum, and people got pissed that I could read PMs |
| 00:19.08 | CBG | My reply was along the lines of "How about you pay for your own server, spend your own time setting up and maintaining a forum, then you can allow and delete whatever posts you like." |
| 00:19.13 | CBG | lol |
| 00:19.27 | L4m3r | they got all pissy, "you have to respect our privacy!" |
| 00:19.32 | spldart | I'm embarrassed for this kid... |
| 00:19.40 | Bz_Win | Hes like I was/still am |
| 00:19.41 | JonathanD | L4m3r: I put an "encryption" on my forum PMs to remove the temptation |
| 00:19.45 | L4m3r | "No I don't. It's my server, so deal with it or GTFO |
| 00:19.55 | L4m3r | I never saw the need |
| 00:20.03 | L4m3r | I added a script to simplify the process |
| 00:20.06 | JonathanD | it's simply reversible but you can't just "read" them |
| 00:20.08 | JonathanD | course you did :P |
| 00:20.18 | L4m3r | but I didn't /use/ it that often |
| 00:20.20 | JonathanD | I value my users privacy, guess thats the difference :P |
| 00:20.36 | L4m3r | it's not like I actively monitored PMs... |
| 00:20.49 | CBG | yeah, right ;) |
| 00:20.59 | CBG | your secret's safe with us, L4m3r |
| 00:20.59 | JonathanD | it only auto-flagged the saucy ones aye? :P |
| 00:21.04 | L4m3r | it's just that, I'm responsible for what goes on, so if someone complains that they're being harassed, I have to check on it |
| 00:21.05 | nick125_lappy | but, in technical terms though, when you get on the internet, you drop your privacy at the door, you are at the mercy of the site-owner |
| 00:21.13 | L4m3r | pretty much |
| 00:21.28 | JonathanD | L4m3r: our policy was always you can do whatever you want in PM, keep arguments out of public. |
| 00:21.35 | JonathanD | and if someone annoys you too much put them on ignore. |
| 00:21.47 | nick125_lappy | if you don't like it, go to control panel, add and remove programs, click on AOL, press uninstall, and follow the onscreen instructions |
| 00:21.56 | L4m3r | for instance, on my other forum, I had to dig through and back up and archive some PMs in which a pedo was bugging someone for nude pics... |
| 00:22.16 | JonathanD | L4m3r: oddly enough |
| 00:22.23 | JeffM2501 | and then the nice final PM sent of stating why he can't post anymore, and how he's right next to the ban if he keeps it up |
| 00:22.24 | L4m3r | THAT is why I reserve such rights |
| 00:22.25 | JonathanD | I've had users complain because I CAN'T monitor chat PMs |
| 00:22.34 | L4m3r | heh |
| 00:22.52 | CBG | ProfPinapple says: "i make many comic books that havnt come out yet. like Brain Bros™ and the Evil Simple Man®! or HamsterDanster©." ... yeah, clearly it's a parent. :) |
| 00:23.01 | JonathanD | erm |
| 00:23.07 | JonathanD | ok |
| 00:23.11 | JonathanD | who posted a wierd char? |
| 00:23.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah whatever |
| 00:23.36 | JonathanD | oh, it was cbg |
| 00:24.01 | JonathanD | cheat:CBG |
| 00:24.07 | CBG | Ouch, that smarts. |
| 00:26.15 | JeffM2501 | and now for the ban |
| 00:26.32 | L4m3r | I really wish that chick had gone to the police. I couldn't do anything myself :( |
| 00:26.52 | L4m3r | I really wanted that guy arrested. he was a sicko, and a jackass |
| 00:27.05 | L4m3r | "it's ART" oh please |
| 00:28.22 | L4m3r | he flooded my forums once too... from ASU... I did talk to the sysadmin, but nothing came of it |
| 00:34.02 | spldart | If I had a dollar for every time a IT guy didn't do anything about a serious issue from/on his network I could go to Chili's get two appetizers, the most expensive meal and drunk on Long Island Icetea's!!! |
| 00:34.32 | Bz_Win | Just one meal? |
| 00:34.49 | L4m3r | no, he cared, emailed me back, even blocked access to my forums from ASU |
| 00:35.01 | spldart | The real question would be "8 long island ice teas!?!?!?!" |
| 00:35.13 | L4m3r | said he was gonna see if he could nab the guy, but never heard back after that |
| 00:35.18 | spldart | Don't forget the tip |
| 00:38.04 | JeffM2501 | well hope that shuts him up |
| 00:38.44 | JeffM2501 | wonder how many 30 year old fathers there are who make comic books, describe there gender as "a boy" and have soons who are 13 |
| 00:38.48 | Bz_Win | Ive got duct tape if you need it |
| 00:39.00 | L4m3r | sons who are 13. LOL |
| 00:39.09 | Bz_Win | LOL |
| 00:39.11 | CBG | soons? none. |
| 00:39.18 | Bz_Win | I don;t want to see thier middle school... |
| 00:39.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah is "son" has a rather good vocabulary and well defined morals for the child of a 30 year old |
| 00:39.48 | L4m3r | saw a shirt the other day- a smiley face with duct tape on its mouth |
| 00:39.57 | spldart | heh |
| 00:40.02 | L4m3r | "Silence is golden; duct tape is silver" |
| 00:40.18 | Bz_Win | OH, I have one of those :D |
| 00:40.20 | spldart | And a good pun is Diamonds |
| 00:41.24 | JeffM2501 | and stats dosn't even show ether of them even playing the games under thosenames |
| 00:41.38 | L4m3r | Time to sharpen the ban-axe? |
| 00:41.45 | JeffM2501 | it was done a while ago |
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| 00:42.04 | L4m3r | lol |
| 00:42.37 | Bz_Win | I can do it, if you don't want to wait :p |
| 00:44.05 | CBG | You're much too slow, Bz_Win! :P |
| 00:44.23 | Bz_Win | >msg CBG *5min pause* no I'm not |
| 00:44.36 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/admin/auth/src/gpxauth.cpp: more net stuff |
| 00:48.05 | spldart | Oh no... they sued JeffM's ISP and he's offline! |
| 00:48.08 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 00:48.19 | CBG | :O |
| 00:49.09 | Bz_Win | I think thier minimal allowance may allow them to thorw rocks at his home, nothing more |
| 00:50.12 | blast007 | "we were gonna buy eggs, but...we bought nerf balls instead, cuz they were cheaper" |
| 00:50.22 | Bz_Win | hehe |
| 00:50.44 | Bz_Win | "they aren't even the good nerf balls, there gud for 1/2 a throw" |
| 00:51.15 | spldart | meh.... Just TP them |
| 00:51.49 | blast007 | so then it's "we were gonna buy 2-ply, but...1-ply was cheaper" |
| 00:55.30 | spldart | 2 ply sticks to the branches and chimney better |
| 00:55.55 | spldart | Esp if there has been a good dew developing |
| 00:58.33 | spldart | They sued CBG and L4m3r too!!! OMG!! |
| 00:58.44 | spldart | Ah! JB is collateral damage! |
| 00:58.53 | spldart | You can be juggernaut |
| 00:59.33 | Bz_Win | I wanted to be project leader, all I need ot do is yell at the peons |
| 01:00.43 | Bz_Win | bbl, GU match |
| 01:03.45 | triclops | @find sue |
| 01:04.19 | triclops | ~lart Conversation.app |
| 01:10.10 | spldart | lol |
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| 01:15.43 | blast007 | triclops: it's called irssi ;) |
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| 01:22.07 | spldart | THEY GOT Bz_Win!!!1 |
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| 01:30.01 | orange | yay for irssi lurkers |
| 01:30.20 | JeffM2501 | so if anyone sees our "professor" causing any problems around, let me know, I've wanrned him he'll be banned if there is any more harasment. |
| 01:32.05 | A-Delusion | will do |
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| 01:48.20 | HatsOff | Hello |
| 01:49.15 | HatsOff | Is anyone here? |
| 01:50.08 | Anyone | Yes. |
| 01:50.11 | brlcad | No. |
| 01:50.15 | HatsOff | :-D |
| 01:50.25 | brlcad | ~ask |
| 01:50.27 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a quesiton first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 01:50.59 | HatsOff | This is going to sound like a very strange question, but does anyone know where I might find a cheat client to use on my own private server? I would never use it in public rooms, but I've always wanted to try one for fun. |
| 01:51.15 | brlcad | sorry, can't help you |
| 01:51.25 | JonathanD | EVIL!!!! |
| 01:51.36 | spldart | Make your own |
| 01:51.38 | HatsOff | lol |
| 01:51.46 | HatsOff | Spldart: I would, but I know nothing about C++. |
| 01:51.52 | spldart | I don't eith3er |
| 01:52.23 | spldart | neither did I know how to decode hexadecimal in appleIIc but used to hack it too |
| 01:53.50 | spldart | Honestly... You will NEVAR! Get a hacked client in here so sorry |
| 01:54.26 | HatsOff | Okay. I thought maybe someone would know where I could find one. I know it's a very strange question, and a suspicious one at that. |
| 01:54.58 | spldart | Oh.. their are peeps in here that do know where you could get one or have one.... but they wont give you one... It's just a place they wont go |
| 01:55.09 | spldart | I'm actually about to try the same experiment as you :) |
| 01:55.36 | HatsOff | I could try changing a few numbers in the source code, but I'm not sure it would yield much success :-) |
| 01:55.40 | HatsOff | Cool |
| 01:56.36 | JeffM2501 | HatsOff, we don't approve of chats, so don't ask about them here please |
| 01:57.18 | HatsOff | JeffM2501: Sorry. I only meant a client that I could use in a private room, or on an entirely different list server. I dont' mean to mess up anyone else's game. |
| 01:57.28 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mater |
| 01:57.32 | JeffM2501 | we still don't approve of them |
| 01:58.06 | HatsOff | Are you allowed to do something like BZFlag X? (I don't think it exists anymore, but it used to) |
| 01:58.19 | JeffM2501 | anyone can mod the source however they wish |
| 01:58.31 | JeffM2501 | we ask that mods that change gameplay use a difrent protocoll number |
| 01:58.40 | HatsOff | That's what I meant by a different list server. |
| 01:58.45 | JeffM2501 | so they are totaly incompatable with existing games |
| 01:58.52 | JeffM2501 | but we will not help anyone find cheats |
| 01:59.02 | JeffM2501 | if you want to do mods, then feel free to mod |
| 01:59.10 | JonathanD | why would you want to "try" a cheat anyway? |
| 01:59.55 | HatsOff | Jonathan: I just saw someone else cheating (though they were being disruptive), and it looked kind of cool. I would, as Jeff said, change the protocoll number so it's only a mod. |
| 02:00.36 | HatsOff | "Cool" in the sense that he was flying around. Not that he was being disruptive. |
| 02:01.23 | blast007 | I would call any form of cheating disruptive to normal gameplay :) |
| 02:01.44 | HatsOff | Blast: Yes, unless no one else is there, in which case, no one is being disrupted. |
| 02:01.53 | spldart | Wasn't "Christopher Reeves Wheelchair" was it? |
| 02:02.09 | blast007 | even if no one else is there, if it's not their server, they don't have the right to cheat onit |
| 02:02.15 | blast007 | on it* |
| 02:02.32 | HatsOff | Blast: I know. First of all, it would have been my server, secondly, I would change the protocoll number if necessary. |
| 02:02.39 | HatsOff | Spldart: Yes, I believe so. |
| 02:02.50 | spldart | Gotta do it on your own private server with either people you invite with your client and protocol or bots |
| 02:03.13 | HatsOff | "Disruptive" as in he was using it on a public server that he didn't own with others. |
| 02:03.25 | spldart | Thats the dude that got me thinking of hacking the code again :) but I'll keep it private with bots |
| 02:03.52 | spldart | 'He' was on public servers taking advantage of his 'cheat'client |
| 02:04.17 | spldart | But 'he' doesn't have the right to use it on any public server intended for legit clients |
| 02:04.19 | HatsOff | Spldart: That's exactly what I want to do. Just for fun. People always get mad at me when I ask this question, as if I'm trying to take advantage of them. I can see why, but it really was just an honest question. |
| 02:05.05 | HatsOff | Keep it private with bots that is, not what you said after that :-P |
| 02:05.19 | spldart | Well... we have chosen not to hand out modded clients and the dev's have asked that you never take a mod client public so it's all up front :) |
| 02:05.44 | spldart | I plan on respecting it :) |
| 02:05.57 | HatsOff | As do I. |
| 02:06.01 | spldart | kew |
| 02:06.14 | blast007 | you can take a mod client public |
| 02:06.23 | blast007 | we just ask that you change the protocol |
| 02:06.25 | spldart | Maybe you can find what your looking for elsewhere... I plan on trying to mod the source myself hehe |
| 02:06.35 | spldart | oh well yeah that |
| 02:07.04 | blast007 | the nature of open-source actually encourages making and releasing changes to software |
| 02:07.09 | blast007 | for better or worse |
| 02:07.22 | nick125_lappy | well, someone could change the protocol back......because some people are like that |
| 02:07.34 | spldart | But if he doesn't know C then I figure if he mod's it's kind of a hit miss thing... yet along changing protocol ;) |
| 02:07.37 | HatsOff | Nick: Yes, and those people are banned. |
| 02:07.38 | blast007 | nick125_lappy: right, but it at least cuts down on the ease |
| 02:07.48 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
| 02:07.51 | nick125_lappy | blast007: true |
| 02:07.51 | blast007 | a typical Windows user can't build anyway :) |
| 02:08.00 | spldart | :-( |
| 02:08.03 | HatsOff | I'm using OS X. I can build. |
| 02:08.08 | nick125_lappy | you don't get those 12 year-old script kiddies.. |
| 02:10.23 | HatsOff | Spldart: If you admit to that, you've already proved you're leaps and bounds more mature than a script kiddie. |
| 02:10.48 | spldart | Only in maturity ;) |
| 02:10.55 | HatsOff | :-D |
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| 02:11.59 | JeffM2501 | a script kiddie he isn't |
| 02:12.42 | HatsOff | :-) |
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| 02:14.23 | HatsOff | wb |
| 02:14.46 | spldart | That suxored |
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| 02:21.47 | Admirarch | That guy really has been getting around |
| 02:22.38 | JeffM2501 | how so? |
| 02:24.34 | Admirarch | Well, unless there are multiple people asking for cheat clients who call servers "rooms" he's asked on at least two servers |
| 02:24.45 | Admirarch | And that's just the ones I've happened to see |
| 02:24.52 | JeffM2501 | great |
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| 02:29.21 | spldart | heh |
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| 02:30.59 | redsoxfan90 | who's this admir? |
| 02:35.52 | Admirarch | Just a random guy using multiple unregistered nicks |
| 02:36.56 | redsoxfan90 | get his ip and masterbann him :P |
| 02:38.27 | JeffM2501 | for what? |
| 02:39.59 | spldart | being an @$$hat? |
| 02:40.08 | spldart | :-p |
| 02:40.09 | redsoxfan90 | sure |
| 02:40.14 | Admirarch | He's remarkably civil, actually |
| 02:52.32 | spldart | My 5y/o invented a new superflag... Fanshot... When you shoot you get 2 or 4 shots spraying out at various vectors from center of aim |
| 02:54.13 | JeffM2501 | 3 way :) |
| 02:54.18 | JeffM2501 | been sugested before :) |
| 02:54.52 | JeffM2501 | it's not fun unless it's odd, so you get at least one forward |
| 02:54.56 | spldart | Heh... now he says they should be GM... You lock on an oppossing team member with the center shot and the other take off in various directions and lock on only other teammembers of the same color |
| 02:54.59 | JeffM2501 | so you can aim |
| 02:55.12 | spldart | I was thinking that same thing |
| 02:55.23 | spldart | But he's goin on pure imagination hehe |
| 02:55.26 | Theme97 | Shots seem to be prematurely killed after a certain number of ricochets... why? |
| 02:57.28 | spldart | Jeff... you did mention recently to someone else that it would be difficult to retexture the tanks in the client cuz they were kinda hand coded right? |
| 02:57.40 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 02:57.43 | spldart | ok |
| 02:57.44 | JeffM2501 | theya re all handocded |
| 02:58.14 | spldart | It was another thing I was goin to tamper with in the code but doesn't sound like I'll be successful hehe |
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| 09:40.43 | Mr_Molez | is there a way to declair how often -admsg happens ? |
| 09:41.38 | Chestal | no, it's fixed at 15 minutes IIRC |
| 09:41.58 | Mr_Molez | oh :( ok thanks |
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| 11:38.16 | Mr_Molez | is it possible to give a bzfs a process id ? so instead of doing kill 2343 you can do kill bzfs4 |
| 11:38.41 | Skeeve | killall bzfs |
| 11:39.22 | Mr_Molez | cant do that |
| 11:39.26 | Mr_Molez | i have loads of bzfs's running |
| 11:39.35 | Skeeve | Or better put the process id into a file when starting the server |
| 11:39.47 | Skeeve | So that you can kill `cat file` |
| 11:40.03 | Skeeve | That's the usual way to do this task |
| 11:41.57 | Skeeve | With some shellscripting you can achieve somethink like kill_bzfs4 |
| 11:42.58 | Mr_Molez | how do di give it a process id ? |
| 11:43.36 | Skeeve | The ID (the number) is generated by the os. When you start the server in background (nzfs &) it should spit out the number |
| 11:43.45 | Skeeve | Let me test it here |
| 11:46.58 | Mr_Molez | i either need a static pid number or to make it killable by a name that doesn't change |
| 11:47.37 | Skeeve | No |
| 11:47.46 | Skeeve | You need to remember the dynamic pid |
| 11:48.06 | Mr_Molez | no use me remembering it when a bash script is the thing that will kill it :P |
| 11:48.15 | [dmp] | "echo $!" will give you the last process number. So you can do: ./bzfs ... && echo $! >bzfs4.pid .. and when you want to kill it: kill `cat bzfs4.pid` |
| 11:48.32 | Mr_Molez | [dmp]: u rule thnx ! :) |
| 11:49.11 | Skeeve | That was what I was searching for. THX dmp |
| 11:49.37 | Skeeve | Couldn't remember $! |
| 11:49.37 | Mr_Molez | Skeeve: ty too :P |
| 11:50.51 | Skeeve | If you do it like this: ./bzfs ... && echo "kill $!" > /usr/bin/kill_bzfs4 && chmod +x /usr/bin/kill_bzfs4 you almost have what you wanted |
| 11:51.31 | Mr_Molez | nah what dmp said is what i needed :P |
| 11:51.33 | Skeeve | Of course use another dir than /usr/bin. But one in your path |
| 11:51.50 | [dmp] | oops, it should be ../bzfs & (not &&) |
| 11:52.07 | Mr_Molez | oh heh thnx |
| 11:52.12 | Skeeve | It's what dump said except that it creates a shell script that will kill your process |
| 11:52.35 | Mr_Molez | Skeeve: dont need or really want a script, what dmp said is perfect thnx |
| 11:52.36 | Skeeve | It should be & && not & or && |
| 11:53.01 | Mr_Molez | & && ? |
| 11:53.08 | Skeeve | & for backround |
| 11:53.35 | Skeeve | && to do the echo just when the previose command succeded |
| 11:54.26 | [dmp] | Skeeve: if the bzfs fails, the echo will put nothing in the pidfile, which is good, so we dont end up having an old pid (that might be used by someone else, eventually). So it dosnt hurt that it gets blanked |
| 11:55.00 | [dmp] | but thats just details |
| 11:55.01 | Skeeve | agreed dmp |
| 11:55.14 | Skeeve | But then it must be & ; |
| 11:55.39 | Skeeve | or newline |
| 11:55.52 | Skeeve | I'm just nitpicking |
| 11:56.35 | Mr_Molez | & echo $! >5156.pid |
| 11:56.37 | Mr_Molez | ive put that |
| 11:56.38 | Mr_Molez | is that right ? |
| 11:57.17 | [dmp] | is that a hole line? |
| 11:57.32 | [dmp] | whole* |
| 11:57.32 | Mr_Molez | what i have as a whole line is |
| 11:57.45 | Skeeve | I didn't knew it works without the ; |
| 11:57.51 | Skeeve | But it does indeed |
| 11:57.53 | spldart | ./work ... && echo $! >work.pid |
| 11:58.00 | spldart | I don't wanna go |
| 11:58.02 | Mr_Molez | while /home/Mr_Molez/ROTATION/bzfs -loadplugin someplug & echo $! >5156.pid ; sleep 1 |
| 11:58.41 | [dmp] | Mr_Molez: think so, but easy to test :) |
| 11:58.46 | Mr_Molez | ok thnx :) |
| 11:58.54 | Skeeve | what's the "while" for? |
| 11:59.13 | Mr_Molez | Skeeve: its apart of my mapchange plugin/bashscript |
| 11:59.27 | Skeeve | may I see it? |
| 11:59.30 | Mr_Molez | hmm ok |
| 11:59.35 | Skeeve | mail? |
| 11:59.42 | Mr_Molez | pastebin |
| 11:59.46 | Skeeve | okay |
| 11:59.54 | Skeeve | even better |
| 12:01.04 | Mr_Molez | http://pastebin.ca/154532 |
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| 12:03.31 | Skeeve | Hmmm.... I don't really understand what that should do... |
| 12:04.11 | Mr_Molez | what that script does is loads bzfs with a plugin that reads from a file containing a list of map names and the -conf files of those maps |
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| 12:04.36 | Mr_Molez | then when u issue the plugins command to change the map it outputs the conf location to a file |
| 12:04.40 | Skeeve | Yes... But I don't understand what the while is for... I'll test it |
| 12:04.45 | Mr_Molez | the script then reads that file and starts a new server with the new conf |
| 12:05.05 | Mr_Molez | ok :) |
| 12:05.43 | Skeeve | Ah! |
| 12:06.03 | Skeeve | I THINK I understand. But: Did it ever work? |
| 12:06.11 | Mr_Molez | what do you mean ? |
| 12:06.24 | Mr_Molez | the script ? |
| 12:06.25 | Skeeve | 1. cat output will give you the whole content of output at once |
| 12:06.33 | Mr_Molez | its not a lot |
| 12:06.38 | Mr_Molez | ill give u an example of output file |
| 12:06.46 | Mr_Molez | cat output .. |
| 12:06.46 | Mr_Molez | /home/Mr_Molez/ROTATION/configs/battlezone.5156 |
| 12:06.52 | Mr_Molez | thats all it is |
| 12:07.08 | Mr_Molez | yeh its been working on openleague flawlessly for months now |
| 12:07.27 | Skeeve | But you don't need the loop then |
| 12:07.37 | Mr_Molez | why not ? |
| 12:08.02 | Skeeve | I think i know where my confusion comes from |
| 12:08.33 | Skeeve | If you don't put bzfs into background |
| 12:08.39 | Skeeve | and you kill it |
| 12:08.44 | Skeeve | it will resatert |
| 12:08.46 | Skeeve | right? |
| 12:08.51 | Skeeve | restart |
| 12:08.55 | Mr_Molez | yeh |
| 12:09.09 | Mr_Molez | what do u mean by bzfs in background ? |
| 12:09.14 | Skeeve | But if you put it into background, the while will start a new instance AT ONCE! |
| 12:09.32 | Skeeve | Let me try to work out an example |
| 12:09.37 | Mr_Molez | sleep 1 makes it wait one second |
| 12:09.46 | Mr_Molez | i have it as sleep 5 on openleague match servers |
| 12:10.02 | Skeeve | So it will start a new instance every 5 seconds |
| 12:10.10 | Mr_Molez | yeh |
| 12:10.25 | Skeeve | without waiting for the previouse one to be killed |
| 12:10.39 | Mr_Molez | i believe so :P not sure |
| 12:10.42 | Mr_Molez | it all works fine anyway |
| 12:11.04 | Mr_Molez | obviously it cant start a new one if one is still running |
| 12:11.43 | Mr_Molez | all the plugin does is output the map conf location to output file and then shuts down the server |
| 12:12.20 | Skeeve | try this as an example while read & ; sleep 1 ; do echo "hello" ; done |
| 12:12.34 | Skeeve | the "read" is mimicking your bzfs |
| 12:13.03 | Skeeve | while read waits for input it's like bzfs is running |
| 12:13.17 | Skeeve | if you press enter, bzfs was killed and restarts |
| 12:13.48 | Skeeve | Now switch to the "backgroundish" version: while read & echo "hi" ; sleep 1 ; do echo "hello" ; done |
| 12:13.49 | Mr_Molez | i dont actually directly run that script |
| 12:14.00 | Skeeve | You'll see that many processes start |
| 12:14.22 | Mr_Molez | nah ill leave it as it is :P |
| 12:14.26 | Mr_Molez | dont wanna break it |
| 12:14.35 | Skeeve | Not a good idea |
| 12:14.38 | Mr_Molez | why ? |
| 12:14.55 | Skeeve | Even if it can't start a new instance, you will 1. loose your pid |
| 12:15.07 | Skeeve | 2. need process time for nothing |
| 12:15.42 | Skeeve | [dmp] what do you think? |
| 12:15.50 | Mr_Molez | he went away :P |
| 12:15.55 | Mr_Molez | ok ill try it |
| 12:16.21 | Mr_Molez | why do echo "hello ? |
| 12:16.40 | Skeeve | Just that you see that the while body is executed |
| 12:17.20 | Skeeve | I'll suggest something different |
| 12:18.40 | Skeeve | But let me test that first |
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| 12:21.56 | Skeeve | http://pastebin.ca/154545 |
| 12:22.00 | Skeeve | Didn't test |
| 12:22.06 | Skeeve | too lazy ;-) |
| 12:22.58 | Skeeve | this will check every 20 seconds the "output" file |
| 12:23.10 | Skeeve | if it changed, your server is killed and restarted |
| 12:23.22 | Mr_Molez | the plugin kills the server |
| 12:23.34 | Mr_Molez | and i really dont wanna have to wait 20 second to be able to connect |
| 12:23.44 | Skeeve | so replace 20 by 5 |
| 12:24.46 | Mr_Molez | thanks |
| 12:24.57 | Skeeve | hmmm... if the plugin kills the server... What's the pid for? |
| 12:25.06 | Mr_Molez | Skeeve: thats for something else :) |
| 12:25.07 | Skeeve | Just that you can kill if you want to? |
| 12:25.11 | Mr_Molez | yeh |
| 12:25.19 | Mr_Molez | im setting up some cron jobs |
| 12:25.32 | Mr_Molez | for a map rotation (not a clever way of doing rotations) thats thats how i wanna do it :P |
| 12:26.09 | Skeeve | If it's done by cron, you don't even need a loop |
| 12:26.28 | Mr_Molez | i dont think you understoof the SERVERNAME part |
| 12:26.29 | Skeeve | But I'm too confused (to few input I guess) |
| 12:26.39 | Mr_Molez | *understood |
| 12:26.49 | Mr_Molez | if you look |
| 12:26.53 | Mr_Molez | bzfs -conf $SERVENAME |
| 12:26.59 | Mr_Molez | so that would be |
| 12:27.09 | Mr_Molez | bzfs -conf /home/Mr_Molez/path/to/a/config |
| 12:27.23 | Skeeve | Yes. That one is understtofed ;-) |
| 12:27.23 | Mr_Molez | bzfs -conf /home/Mr_Molez/hix.conf |
| 12:27.27 | Mr_Molez | hahah |
| 12:27.30 | Mr_Molez | so umm |
| 12:27.33 | Mr_Molez | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:27.59 | Mr_Molez | youve made that apart of the pid stuff :P |
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| 12:28.13 | Mr_Molez | so there is now no way to change map :P |
| 12:28.32 | Skeeve | let's forget that script and try it another way |
| 12:28.52 | Mr_Molez | wait maybe that will work |
| 12:28.53 | Mr_Molez | hmm |
| 12:28.59 | Skeeve | okay |
| 12:29.01 | Skeeve | I wait |
| 12:29.46 | Mr_Molez | hmm |
| 12:30.02 | Mr_Molez | if i understand this correctly the server will get killed no matter what servername is |
| 12:30.26 | Skeeve | yes. as soon as SERVERNAME changes |
| 12:30.49 | Skeeve | But that is not what you wanted, right |
| 12:30.52 | Skeeve | ? |
| 12:30.59 | Mr_Molez | wait let my brain catch up :P |
| 12:31.05 | Mr_Molez | hmm yeh |
| 12:31.11 | Mr_Molez | that will work for the thing im doing now :D |
| 12:31.17 | Mr_Molez | tehehhe |
| 12:31.32 | Mr_Molez | just wont work for anything else :P |
| 12:31.56 | Skeeve | So I *think* I have to get more information |
| 12:32.26 | Mr_Molez | grr pastebin |
| 12:32.31 | Skeeve | Let me summarize what I understood |
| 12:32.38 | Mr_Molez | are some parts of this suppose to be all on one line ? |
| 12:32.41 | Skeeve | 1. You have several servers running |
| 12:32.53 | Mr_Molez | yup |
| 12:32.54 | Skeeve | 2. you want to be able to restart any one of those |
| 12:33.00 | Mr_Molez | hmm no |
| 12:33.09 | Mr_Molez | the plugin restarts |
| 12:33.09 | Skeeve | 3. You want to be able to change the config of any one of those |
| 12:33.28 | Mr_Molez | stop stop :P |
| 12:33.48 | Mr_Molez | forget about the other servers thats all working fine and i dont want to change them |
| 12:33.53 | Mr_Molez | what i am doing now |
| 12:33.58 | Mr_Molez | is setting up cron jobs |
| 12:34.15 | Skeeve | cron jobs for ... |
| 12:34.16 | Mr_Molez | to copy a file that contains a conf location to output file |
| 12:34.27 | Mr_Molez | and after that kill the server |
| 12:34.43 | Mr_Molez | then the bash script should start the server when the output file changes |
| 12:34.49 | Mr_Molez | which is what u made so its gr8 :P |
| 12:35.10 | Mr_Molez | are some parts of this suppose to be all on one line ? |
| 12:35.32 | Skeeve | nope |
| 12:35.34 | Skeeve | as is |
| 12:35.45 | Skeeve | BUT |
| 12:36.04 | Skeeve | if your cron job copies the file, it can also kill and start the server |
| 12:36.11 | Skeeve | so no need for my script |
| 12:36.20 | Mr_Molez | but what will start it again :P ? |
| 12:36.29 | Skeeve | the cron job |
| 12:36.53 | Mr_Molez | but the script contains the -conf $SERVERNAME stuff |
| 12:37.14 | Skeeve | pastebin your cronjob |
| 12:37.32 | Skeeve | I'll adapt it |
| 12:38.03 | Mr_Molez | nah this will do |
| 12:38.20 | Skeeve | but it needs processing time |
| 12:38.29 | Mr_Molez | processing time ? |
| 12:38.43 | Skeeve | every 5 seconds the script runs |
| 12:38.50 | Skeeve | even if it isn't necessary |
| 12:39.08 | Mr_Molez | :( |
| 12:39.19 | Skeeve | It's only necessary if the cron job did something |
| 12:39.29 | Skeeve | So let the cron job do the work |
| 12:40.06 | Mr_Molez | http://pastebin.ca/154553 |
| 12:41.04 | Skeeve | every 30 seconds? |
| 12:41.22 | Mr_Molez | every 30 mins of every hour |
| 12:41.58 | Skeeve | Hmmm... My cron knowledge is rusty |
| 12:42.15 | Skeeve | So every 30 minutes your servers are restarted... |
| 12:42.25 | Mr_Molez | nope |
| 12:42.27 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 12:42.30 | Mr_Molez | 1 sec |
| 12:43.01 | Mr_Molez | http://pastebin.ca/154556 |
| 12:44.28 | Skeeve | I think I know what you want but I see it can't be right |
| 12:45.00 | Skeeve | This would mean that every 10 minutes a new config starts |
| 12:45.19 | Skeeve | So there are just 10 Minutes for each game |
| 12:45.38 | Skeeve | Right? |
| 12:45.57 | Mr_Molez | yeh |
| 12:46.03 | Mr_Molez | well no |
| 12:46.07 | Mr_Molez | yeh |
| 12:46.08 | Skeeve | And that is what you want!? |
| 12:46.14 | Mr_Molez | yup |
| 12:46.17 | Mr_Molez | actually 12 mins |
| 12:46.19 | Skeeve | Okay... |
| 12:46.22 | Mr_Molez | i just put it at 10 to test |
| 12:46.25 | Skeeve | Then wait a moment |
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| 12:48.23 | Skeeve | http://pastebin.ca/154559 |
| 12:49.05 | Skeeve | Of course some path info should be added like putting a path to the pid file |
| 12:49.59 | Skeeve | so not 5156.pid but /home/Mr_Molez/ROTATION/5156.pid |
| 12:49.59 | Mr_Molez | :D |
| 12:50.18 | Mr_Molez | ok :P |
| 12:50.51 | Skeeve | and if all conf files are in the same location, you can shorten your cronjobs |
| 12:51.05 | Mr_Molez | they are |
| 12:51.39 | Skeeve | so remove /home/Mr_Molez/ROTATION/conffilezzz/ from the cron jobs and put it in front of $1 so that you have /home/Mr_Molez/ROTATION/conffilezzz/$1 |
| 12:53.00 | Mr_Molez | but how would it know what map to choose ? |
| 12:53.21 | Skeeve | its in $1 |
| 12:53.36 | Skeeve | it's the first parameter to "rotation" |
| 12:54.08 | Mr_Molez | oh he |
| 12:54.15 | Mr_Molez | hehe i see nefvevermind :P |
| 12:54.54 | Skeeve | BTW. I would call the pid file BTFS.pid, not 5156.pid |
| 12:54.59 | Skeeve | BZFS |
| 12:55.01 | Mr_Molez | k |
| 12:56.22 | Skeeve | Is a forum admin around? I think this can be deleted http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=89232&sid=aec853abf6707a5bfbf9b3729efeb372#89232 |
| 12:56.31 | Skeeve | Ups |
| 12:59.13 | Mr_Molez | ./Start-Mapchange-Script.5156: line 4: [: kill: binary operator expected |
| 12:59.53 | Skeeve | ahh! Remove "kill" after -r |
| 13:00.36 | Skeeve | http://pastebin.ca/154568 |
| 13:02.51 | Mr_Molez | hmmm |
| 13:03.03 | Skeeve | hmm what? |
| 13:03.03 | Mr_Molez | so i have to wait for cron to start the server ? |
| 13:03.09 | Skeeve | no |
| 13:03.19 | Skeeve | /path/to/rotation hix |
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| 13:03.34 | Skeeve | just type that in and it'll do |
| 13:04.04 | Mr_Molez | but |
| 13:04.07 | Mr_Molez | $1 |
| 13:04.13 | Mr_Molez | how will it know what config that is |
| 13:04.19 | Skeeve | $1 is "hix" in that example |
| 13:04.36 | Mr_Molez | how ? |
| 13:04.42 | Skeeve | magic |
| 13:04.46 | Skeeve | ;-) |
| 13:04.56 | Skeeve | make a new script |
| 13:05.00 | Skeeve | containing |
| 13:05.05 | Skeeve | #!/bin/sh |
| 13:05.14 | Skeeve | echo "Dollar 1 is $1" |
| 13:05.20 | Skeeve | make it executable |
| 13:05.25 | Skeeve | chmod +x testscript |
| 13:05.28 | Skeeve | and type |
| 13:05.35 | Skeeve | testscript avalue |
| 13:05.39 | Skeeve | and you get |
| 13:05.47 | Skeeve | Dollar 1 is a value |
| 13:06.14 | Skeeve | my son is calling away for a moment... |
| 13:06.33 | a_temp_dist | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8853 - more forum spam |
| 13:06.52 | Mr_Molez | k :) |
| 13:08.08 | Skeeve | back |
| 13:09.03 | Skeeve | Did you understand the $1 concept now, Mr_M? |
| 13:09.11 | Mr_Molez | yes |
| 13:09.12 | Mr_Molez | but |
| 13:09.32 | Skeeve | but? |
| 13:09.33 | Mr_Molez | /path/to/rotation /home/Mr_Molez/ROTATION/conffilezzz/$1 |
| 13:09.39 | Mr_Molez | i don understand how that will work |
| 13:09.45 | Skeeve | AHHH! |
| 13:09.59 | Skeeve | You misunderstood my instruction |
| 13:10.06 | Mr_Molez | oh :( |
| 13:10.06 | Skeeve | I'll change the pastebin |
| 13:10.55 | Skeeve | http://pastebin.ca/154579 |
| 13:15.25 | Mr_Molez | oh im just getting more and more confused |
| 13:15.35 | Skeeve | ;-) |
| 13:15.44 | Mr_Molez | looking at the cronjob |
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| 13:15.54 | Mr_Molez | /path/to/rotation pillbox |
| 13:16.07 | Skeeve | What's the problem? |
| 13:16.16 | Mr_Molez | doesnt it need to be /path/to/rotation -conf pillbox ? |
| 13:16.22 | Skeeve | No |
| 13:16.31 | Skeeve | the -conf is in rotation |
| 13:16.37 | Mr_Molez | ill just try it and see what happens :) |
| 13:17.44 | Mr_Molez | one more think |
| 13:17.57 | Mr_Molez | /path/to/rotation babel |
| 13:18.04 | Mr_Molez | does babel need to be a real config file |
| 13:18.10 | Mr_Molez | or just a link to the real config file ? |
| 13:18.13 | Mr_Molez | *thing |
| 13:18.30 | Skeeve | all those files need to be. Why? |
| 13:18.50 | Mr_Molez | what do you mean ? |
| 13:19.15 | Skeeve | babel, pillbox, hix... All need to be config files |
| 13:19.20 | Mr_Molez | oh :( |
| 13:19.23 | Mr_Molez | ok |
| 13:19.28 | Skeeve | We can change that |
| 13:19.32 | Mr_Molez | nah its fine :P |
| 13:19.38 | Skeeve | Just tell me what you need |
| 13:19.58 | Skeeve | It was a config file in your first version, wasn't it? |
| 13:20.29 | Mr_Molez | to be honest i can't think straight anymore :P |
| 13:20.33 | Mr_Molez | can't remember ;) |
| 13:20.47 | Skeeve | What's your local time? |
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| 13:20.55 | Mr_Molez | 2pm :P |
| 13:21.04 | Skeeve | Not to late ;-) |
| 13:21.13 | Skeeve | It's 3:21 pm here |
| 13:21.47 | Skeeve | So how comes you're tired? ;-) |
| 13:22.03 | Mr_Molez | not tried, just all this bash stuff sent me mindless :P |
| 13:22.26 | Skeeve | So you can be happy I didn't do it in perl! |
| 13:22.32 | Mr_Molez | uhoh |
| 13:25.07 | Mr_Molez | ok thats done, just need to test it :P |
| 13:25.43 | Mr_Molez | ./Start-Mapchange-Script.5156: line 6: kill: (6919) - No such process |
| 13:25.43 | Mr_Molez | Mr_Molez@server:~/ROTATION$ /home/Mr_Molez/ROTATION/conffilezzz/: error: could not find bzflag configuration file |
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| 13:35.52 | Skeeve | Please pastebin your script |
| 13:36.17 | Skeeve | I think it's just a simple spelling issue |
| 13:37.56 | Mr_Molez | http://pastebin.ca/154626 |
| 13:38.36 | Skeeve | That looks okay |
| 13:38.50 | Skeeve | did you supply a $1? |
| 13:39.02 | Skeeve | Let me change it a bit |
| 13:40.21 | Skeeve | http://pastebin.ca/154628 |
| 13:43.29 | Mr_Molez | that works if i do |
| 13:43.33 | Mr_Molez | ./Start-Mapchange-Script.5156 pillbox |
| 13:43.48 | Skeeve | yes |
| 13:44.13 | Skeeve | crontab? |
| 13:44.21 | Mr_Molez | yeh |
| 13:44.23 | Skeeve | Did you forget to put the conffiles there? |
| 13:44.35 | Mr_Molez | i have |
| 13:44.35 | Mr_Molez | /home/Mr_Molez/ROTATION/Start-Mapchange-Script.5156 /home/Mr_Molez/ROTATION/conffilezzz/overlord |
| 13:44.45 | Skeeve | No |
| 13:44.51 | Skeeve | Just "overlord" |
| 13:44.52 | Mr_Molez | im changing it to |
| 13:44.54 | Mr_Molez | yeh |
| 13:44.55 | Mr_Molez | :P |
| 13:45.07 | Skeeve | http://pastebin.ca/154579 |
| 13:45.12 | Skeeve | It was in ther |
| 13:45.14 | Skeeve | +e |
| 13:45.21 | Mr_Molez | :D |
| 13:46.02 | Mr_Molez | anyway to background this ? |
| 13:46.16 | Skeeve | no need to |
| 13:46.30 | blast007 | just an FYI for people wanting to get the PID of a bzfs process |
| 13:46.39 | Skeeve | look at line 13 of http://pastebin.ca/154629 |
| 13:46.41 | blast007 | there is actually a -pidfile paramater you can pass that writes a file |
| 13:47.21 | Skeeve | Okay, blast007. this will dave one line |
| 13:47.26 | Skeeve | -d+s |
| 13:48.44 | Skeeve | I changed it in http://pastebin.ca/154632 |
| 13:49.43 | Skeeve | Mr_M... Still around? |
| 13:49.48 | Mr_Molez | yup :) |
| 13:51.33 | Skeeve | Is the script now woring like you want to? |
| 13:51.40 | Mr_Molez | just going to test now |
| 13:52.55 | Mr_Molez | Skeeve: how will it change map ? |
| 13:53.24 | Skeeve | The map is defined in the config file, isn't it? |
| 13:53.42 | Mr_Molez | yeh |
| 13:53.57 | Skeeve | So if the config file changed, the map changes |
| 13:54.01 | Mr_Molez | but wont the cron job just start a new instance of the bash script ? |
| 13:54.26 | Skeeve | Before I answer... One more change http://pastebin.ca/154633 |
| 13:54.32 | Skeeve | So what happens |
| 13:54.43 | Mr_Molez | just waiting for it :P |
| 13:54.52 | Skeeve | at HH:10 a new instance of "rotation" is started |
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| 13:55.10 | Skeeve | this will kill whatever is in r5156.pid |
| 13:55.26 | Mr_Molez | will it kill the bash script aswell ? |
| 13:55.49 | Mr_Molez | ohh that aint running is it |
| 13:55.49 | blast007 | the bash script will already be ended |
| 13:55.49 | Mr_Molez | nevermind :P |
| 13:55.49 | Skeeve | and then start a new server (in background) that will have a new config |
| 13:55.49 | Skeeve | then the bash ends |
| 13:55.49 | Mr_Molez | i was thinking of the old way i was doing it ;) |
| 13:55.53 | blast007 | :) |
| 13:56.20 | Skeeve | Isn't UNIX a fun way of working |
| 13:57.17 | Mr_Molez | well it changed :D |
| 13:57.42 | Mr_Molez | although its weird that the countdown carried on from the last game |
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| 13:59.02 | Skeeve | again a change... And I moved the pidfile to the config directory http://pastebin.ca/154645 |
| 13:59.06 | kierra | orchid ping |
| 13:59.17 | Skeeve | I have no idea about any countdown |
| 14:00.32 | Mr_Molez | Skeeve: thanks alot ! :) |
| 14:01.11 | Skeeve | You're welcome |
| 14:02.22 | Skeeve | I'll leave now... |
| 14:04.12 | Mr_Molez | Skeeve: cu thanks ! :) |
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| 15:16.39 | Mr_Molez | would it be easy to alter the source so that when a tank goes out of the worldSize they wouldn't get kicked ? |
| 15:28.27 | blast007 | Mr_Molez: yeah |
| 15:36.45 | Mr_Molez | tehehe |
| 15:38.10 | Mr_Molez | ~bz20cvs |
| 15:38.12 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 15:46.09 | spldart | hehe |
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| 15:47.58 | orange | Mr_Molez: just look for the message, and the call that does the kick |
| 15:48.06 | orange | and comment out the kick, and maybe change the message |
| 15:48.13 | orange | perhaps change it to a kill, though that would be harder |
| 15:48.22 | orange | probably only marginally harder |
| 15:50.39 | Mr_Molez | orange: hehe way ahead of u :P |
| 15:50.43 | Mr_Molez | compiling :D |
| 15:51.05 | Mr_Molez | just commented it all out |
| 15:52.30 | orange | you should keep a message, suggesting they self-destruct |
| 15:52.33 | orange | to get back into the field |
| 15:53.05 | L4m3r | or use _noWalls and have a completely open field |
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| 15:57.22 | Mr_Molez | its ok its easily noticable if somebody is out of the playing field :P |
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| 16:15.19 | JeffM2501 | aww... now noone is charging for bzflag anymore :( |
| 16:15.48 | purple_cow | hehe |
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| 16:16.00 | Bz_Win | You could set up a thing, like a lemonade stand :p |
| 16:16.14 | JeffM2501 | there goes me puting a 4th comerical game on my resume |
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| 16:45.04 | spldart | Jeff... the hand coded tanks I asked about last night.. Are they carrying over to 2.2 or has that been decided yet? |
| 16:45.58 | JeffM2501 | depends if somone codes up replacements |
| 16:46.24 | spldart | IC |
| 16:46.32 | JeffM2501 | if I had time I would |
| 16:49.05 | spldart | What did you want to see in a replacement tank? |
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| 17:21.32 | A-Delusion | I'd like to see steamroller sprout a big roller, GM to get a radar dish, fast tanks get new treads, shockwave has a small glowing sphere... |
| 17:22.03 | spldart | Yikes! |
| 17:22.20 | JeffM2501 | spldart, real UV maping |
| 17:22.21 | A-Delusion | I can dream, |
| 17:22.28 | JeffM2501 | and the ability for it to be read from a file |
| 17:22.42 | spldart | So get away from the hard coded tanks |
| 17:22.46 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:22.50 | JeffM2501 | hardcode == bad |
| 17:22.51 | spldart | IC |
| 17:22.54 | JeffM2501 | makes it hard to change em |
| 17:22.59 | spldart | true |
| 17:23.09 | ruskie | A-Delusion, I'd prefer GM to get a rocket pack instead of a turret :) |
| 17:23.16 | JeffM2501 | personaly I'd like to change to something like the MD3 format |
| 17:23.20 | blast007 | with a model file, we could have a map load their own :) |
| 17:23.44 | JeffM2501 | once it's external we can do a lot of stuff |
| 17:23.56 | spldart | Might even be able to call various models from data to do what A-Delusion is talking about :-p |
| 17:24.04 | spldart | In game play |
| 17:24.12 | JeffM2501 | well that's why I'd like to go with something like MD3 |
| 17:24.15 | JeffM2501 | it has atachement CSs |
| 17:24.21 | JeffM2501 | so each model can know where stuff hooks on |
| 17:24.27 | JeffM2501 | so that we can do stuff like that |
| 17:24.54 | JeffM2501 | basicly same way quake knows how to hook the difrent weapons onto the hands of models |
| 17:24.54 | A-Delusion | http://strayer.de/pics/different_types.jpg |
| 17:25.20 | spldart | lol |
| 17:25.29 | ruskie | lol |
| 17:26.47 | ToughShooter | A-Delusion: While costumization is nice that example looks horrible. Hard to guess where the hit zones are.. |
| 17:27.04 | JeffM2501 | chaning the hit area would probably not be a good idea |
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| 17:33.55 | A-Delusion | some of then, like narrow, cloak and obese are already done.? PZ, could be improved upon, some of the others, like invisible bullet, are pretty hard |
| 17:34.09 | A-Delusion | Purple Panzer also had the Idea of "saucers" or drones, I think that's a great Idea. Something that moves, but doesn't fire back. |
| 17:34.40 | A-Delusion | how would you represent IB? |
| 17:35.03 | JeffM2501 | put some crap on the barrel |
| 17:35.11 | blast007 | cloak the muzzle ;) |
| 17:35.33 | A-Delusion | MG? a guy on the back reloading? |
| 17:36.01 | spldart | A big stick magazine out the top |
| 17:36.07 | spldart | Like the old gatlin guns |
| 17:36.09 | blast007 | belt-fed ;) |
| 17:36.12 | spldart | LOL |
| 17:36.20 | A-Delusion | good |
| 17:36.22 | spldart | Ok a ammo can on the side |
| 17:36.28 | spldart | and chain goin in |
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| 18:12.19 | Skeeve | IB: Make a big bullet with something behind it that it looks as if it's moving and make it fade to the tip. Hmmm... dificult to explain for a non-native speaker |
| 18:13.02 | Skeeve | so from the tip of the bullet it's almost invisible like say 10% visible to the end where everything is visible |
| 18:17.18 | JeffM2501 | in 2.1 the IBs are difrent |
| 18:17.25 | JeffM2501 | they are mostly transperant bolts |
| 18:22.34 | DTRemenak | yay, ib is better :) |
| 18:25.23 | ToughShooter | 2.1 shots are all strange |
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| 18:43.05 | A-Delusion | don't forget badflags... those will be real hard to do... how do you graphically represent wide angle, reverse controls, or momentum |
| 18:45.50 | Theme97 | Momentum: Stick a big weight on the tank. |
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| 18:56.48 | Skeeve | Wide Angle: A Tank in Fish Eye Perspective |
| 18:57.37 | Skeeve | Reverse Control: A Car's Gear-Stick(?) set to R |
| 18:57.59 | Skeeve | Left / Right Turn: The Traffic Signs |
| 18:58.21 | Skeeve | Reverse Control: A Tank turned upside down |
| 18:58.43 | Skeeve | Obesity: A really BIG TANK... Maybe just a Part of it |
| 18:59.01 | Skeeve | Blindness: Three black dots on yellow |
| 18:59.13 | Skeeve | Color Blindness A Tank in B&W |
| 18:59.28 | Skeeve | Did I forget something? |
| 18:59.46 | Skeeve | Bouncy: A Bouncing Ball |
| 19:00.10 | Skeeve | Trigger happy: A Tank viewed from top shooting in all directions |
| 19:00.25 | Skeeve | Did anyone read this? |
| 19:06.18 | Theme97 | Obesity: already big. Blindness: I don't get it. Color Blindness: Might mistake him for Rogue. Bouncy: Already jumping randomly, it's easy to spot. Trigger Happy: Also easy to spot. |
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| 19:12.36 | Skeeve | The international sign for blind is three black dots (as triangle) on yellow ground |
| 19:13.38 | Skeeve | See: http://www.kunstradio.at/2002B/PICS/blind.jpg |
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| 19:48.36 | blast007 | nah, blindness should involve a blindfold |
| 19:48.42 | SportyGal | ~sushi brlcad |
| 19:48.43 | ibot | ACTION fishes madly all day long & brings the very best back, filets it carefully and serves brlcad the best, freshest sushi ever |
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| 19:53.23 | SportyGal | capn! |
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| 20:27.13 | brlcad | tease! |
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| 20:36.46 | SportyGal | brlcad: I had an interesting concoction today |
| 20:37.03 | SportyGal | brad: it was jalapeno with cream cheese & spicy tuna |
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| 20:56.30 | orange | did you add an 'lc' or drop one? |
| 20:56.38 | orange | (sporygal) |
| 21:04.55 | DTRemenak | orange: so is SporyGal SportChick's pet fungus? |
| 21:05.11 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:05.51 | SportyGal | orange: I just was too lazy to type brl...I stopped at br and got the wrong one |
| 21:07.06 | brlcad | shame on you for confusing the two of us |
| 21:07.11 | brlcad | brad should feel insulted |
| 21:07.32 | JBdiGriz | Doesn't brad like sushi? |
| 21:07.43 | orange | DTRemena lots of typos happening today |
| 21:09.18 | JeffM2501 | today must be a good day, I haven't been threatend with a lawsuit by a bzflag user :) |
| 21:09.34 | JonathanD | JeffM2501: that you konw of. Guess my lawyer didn't call yet. |
| 21:09.42 | brlcad | if you don't write more code, I'll sue!! |
| 21:09.53 | JeffM2501 | he did, you'll never guess why he won't be calling you back ;) |
| 21:10.48 | L4m3r | uh oh, Jeff knows the geek mafia |
| 21:11.04 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/client/VC71/client.vcproj: prevent lawsuit |
| 21:11.12 | L4m3r | haha |
| 21:11.23 | JeffM2501 | man that was close |
| 21:14.12 | JeffM2501 | riiiiigggghhhhhtttt |
| 21:14.34 | JeffM2501 | tho I've been making code all day at work |
| 21:14.39 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/ (4 files in 4 dirs): if your gonna have a debug with libPNG then do a release with libPNG |
| 21:14.42 | JeffM2501 | nice new things for DTRemenak to test |
| 21:15.01 | JonathanD | cheat: DTRemenak |
| 21:16.12 | JonathanD | arg!!! |
| 21:17.13 | DTRemenak | compiler? |
| 21:17.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:17.24 | JeffM2501 | for the posts |
| 21:17.36 | JeffM2501 | Compost3 |
| 21:17.36 | DTRemenak | ah, that compiler |
| 21:17.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:17.49 | JeffM2501 | have to change the keywords file every time I add a new command |
| 21:17.53 | JeffM2501 | it's it's new command day |
| 21:17.58 | DTRemenak | just don't cause any regressions, or I'll have to beat you up :) |
| 21:18.08 | JeffM2501 | this one may |
| 21:18.39 | JeffM2501 | the problem is everyone assumes our old output is perfect, when it's not |
| 21:19.32 | DTRemenak | if it's better than it was, then it's not a regression |
| 21:19.47 | DTRemenak | regardless of whether it shows up in our silly tests :) |
| 21:19.50 | JeffM2501 | tho a 35min turn around time on a feature request, I don't know if i've beten that |
| 21:19.55 | JeffM2501 | ohh they do |
| 21:19.56 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:19.59 | JeffM2501 | for my stuff |
| 21:20.15 | DTRemenak | any change to output will show up |
| 21:23.01 | DTRemenak | can't copyright a format. that's one of the few actual protections offered by the dmca. |
| 21:23.16 | DTRemenak | you can patent the algorithms used in it though |
| 21:23.28 | JeffM2501 | so if I have a MD3 reader that I wrote just reading the specs, then it's cool to use? |
| 21:23.45 | DTRemenak | as long as there aren't any fancy algorithms, yeah |
| 21:23.59 | DTRemenak | jpeg uses a patented algorithm, for instance |
| 21:24.02 | DTRemenak | so does mp3 |
| 21:24.03 | JeffM2501 | naw, it's just reading in data from a packed format |
| 21:24.09 | JeffM2501 | it's not even compressed |
| 21:24.14 | DTRemenak | then you're fine |
| 21:24.17 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 21:24.28 | JeffM2501 | wonder if vertex anims are the way to go then |
| 21:24.51 | JeffM2501 | it'd let us build tanks out of parts, using the atachment points |
| 21:25.00 | DTRemenak | and if there are specs, you have even more protections. dmca is only necessary if you're reverse-engineering the format. |
| 21:25.01 | JeffM2501 | and each could have there own anims |
| 21:25.15 | JeffM2501 | well I don't know if he specs are "official" |
| 21:25.33 | JeffM2501 | oh, nm, quake 3 went open source |
| 21:25.37 | JeffM2501 | there are specs :) |
| 21:25.42 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:26.12 | JeffM2501 | the tank would basicly become a coleciton of MD3s, one for each part ( tread, body, turret, etc.. ) |
| 21:26.25 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 21:26.35 | JeffM2501 | but the atatchment would be defined in the model |
| 21:26.57 | JeffM2501 | wonder if it's worth it |
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| 21:58.00 | amcnabb | JeffM2501, I had a chance to get back to the allow-shooting and allow-movement stuff today. |
| 21:58.11 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:58.23 | amcnabb | The more I think about it, the less sure I am that I want to put the stuff in with playerStatus |
| 21:58.30 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:58.33 | JeffM2501 | what ever works for you |
| 21:58.43 | amcnabb | I didn't realize all the details about how stuff was communicated. |
| 21:58.49 | amcnabb | cool |
| 22:05.44 | DTRemenak | as long as you *are* thinking about it, whatever you come up with will probably be fine |
| 22:06.02 | DTRemenak | it's when you implement without thinking about it that problems happen :) |
| 22:16.36 | amcnabb | :) |
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| 23:31.08 | JeffM2501 | is it time to go home yet? |
| 23:31.36 | CBG | No, you may not leave. |
| 23:31.52 | JeffM2501 | damn |
| 23:31.53 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: yes it is! |
| 23:32.10 | JeffM2501 | well it almost is for DTRemenak, not for me |
| 23:32.20 | Skeeve | Is there a way to cheat with GM range? I suspect that some players on badgerking do so |
| 23:32.27 | SportyGal | it IS for me! cu |
| 23:32.43 | Skeeve | sorry |
| 23:32.45 | Skeeve | MG range |
| 23:33.03 | JeffM2501 | not send the endshot IIRC |
| 23:33.22 | Skeeve | So there is. |
| 23:33.23 | CBG | ~trap JeffM2501 janitors-closet. |
| 23:33.24 | ibot | ACTION traps JeffM2501 in the janitors-closet.! |
| 23:33.36 | JeffM2501 | we don't have a janitor |
| 23:33.38 | JeffM2501 | we have lilly |
| 23:33.39 | Skeeve | Thanks for the info :-( |
| 23:33.54 | Skeeve | ~trap Skeeve bed |
| 23:33.55 | ibot | ACTION traps Skeeve in the bed! |
| 23:34.16 | Skeeve | Good night... |
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