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| 01:08.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/ (SDLMedia.cxx SDLMedia.h): |
| 01:08.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: apply crazy tuponies patch that works around a recent bug in the SDL library's audio layer (sf patch 1546333). |
| 01:08.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: to paraphrase him, he found a bug inside SDL's audio processing that causes a segfault when resampling audio (typically alsa+dmix). even though the bug is inside SDL, this provides a workaround. |
| 01:08.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: also he notes, as a note to yon devs, that audio files are resampled down to |
| 01:08.45 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 11025 or 22050 so there's no need to have files sampled at 48000. he notes that |
| 01:08.45 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: he doesn't know if the resampling is good on all platforms (needs testing), but |
| 01:08.45 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: there are a few that aren't at 22050 that should probably be resampled down. |
| 01:09.23 | JeffM2501 | any reason we don't output to 48000? |
| 01:13.58 | brlcad | probably some older platform wouldn't do any better |
| 01:14.04 | brlcad | beats me |
| 01:14.11 | JeffM2501 | the atari 2600? |
| 01:14.34 | brlcad | all of the platform code either samples down to 11k or uses 22k now it seems |
| 01:15.09 | JeffM2501 | woudl make sense to have the source sounds be 44000, and output/mix to that, then have a mixdown feature for the few systems that need lower |
| 01:15.15 | JeffM2501 | let them have the resampled sounds |
| 01:15.58 | brlcad | would make sense |
| 01:16.45 | brlcad | might want to play something more interesting that pops and booms and cheers at some point |
| 01:17.12 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 01:17.17 | JeffM2501 | some nice new sounds :) |
| 01:17.30 | JeffM2501 | and a sound system that would let the OS do it's own mixing/3d ;) |
| 01:20.11 | purple_cow | you really want to output at something the card (or driver) will accept |
| 01:20.29 | JeffM2501 | that's the job of the sound system |
| 01:20.38 | JeffM2501 | to presample the sounds and mix in the output rate |
| 01:20.58 | JeffM2501 | if it's gonna do it's own mixing |
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| 04:57.16 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is 2.1 UNSTABLE, use for new commits |
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| 05:44.00 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/3d/ (inc/textures.h src/textures.cpp): util to draw image at a fixed size. |
| 05:46.28 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/client/src/simpleGameHUD.cpp: draw the player avatar image at the right size regardless of it's input size |
| 05:47.14 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/client/src/client.cpp: fixes for the input config stuff. |
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| 15:03.12 | CBG | DTRemenak: spam: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8814 (the periods are links...) |
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| 15:05.14 | CBG | DTRemenak: did you catch that? |
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| 15:07.19 | DTRemenak | catch what? the oatmeal? |
| 15:07.54 | CBG | DTRemenak: spam: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8814 (the periods are links...) |
| 15:09.10 | Mr_Molez | CBG: why do u keep posting about spam ? |
| 15:09.16 | DTRemenak | clever one |
| 15:09.21 | DTRemenak | thanks CBG |
| 15:11.03 | Birdie | but keep the post, just remove the links |
| 15:11.10 | Birdie | its a funny post:) move it to chat |
| 15:11.16 | Mr_Molez | Birdie: too late :P |
| 15:11.20 | Birdie | :( |
| 15:11.30 | CBG | Mr_Molez: ? |
| 15:11.30 | Birdie | grrr those bzbb admins:) |
| 15:11.32 | CBG | sure thing, DTRemenak |
| 15:11.33 | CBG | lol Birdie |
| 15:11.40 | Birdie | it was a funny post, no? |
| 15:11.44 | Mr_Molez | CBG: there is spam every single day :P |
| 15:11.44 | DTRemenak | not to me |
| 15:11.58 | Mr_Molez | what was the post ? |
| 15:12.02 | CBG | Mr_Molez: ? |
| 15:12.08 | DTRemenak | but my sense of humor is warped anyway ;) |
| 15:12.52 | DTRemenak | besides, it would have been too much work to remove the links, delete the user and keep the post, and move it to chat |
| 15:13.22 | CBG | heh |
| 15:13.22 | Birdie | yea its friday, i understand:) |
| 15:13.47 | ToughShooter | Spam is maybe funny at a low frequency |
| 15:14.05 | ToughShooter | With insane numbers it gets annoying |
| 15:14.26 | Mr_Molez | spam gets ppl talking aint all bad :P |
| 15:15.22 | CBG | I hate the munchkins that reply to spam, just as much as the spammers. |
| 15:15.47 | Birdie | you reply yourself to it |
| 15:15.54 | Mr_Molez | i hate the people that point spam out every day :P |
| 15:16.56 | CBG | Birdie: huh? |
| 15:17.06 | CBG | you don't lub me Mr_Molez ? :( |
| 15:17.17 | Mr_Molez | CBG: sure i do :P |
| 15:17.28 | ToughShooter | Well, CBG you announce them ;) |
| 15:17.49 | CBG | ToughShooter: I request that they be removed. |
| 15:18.26 | ToughShooter | Yeah but in public, most people can't delete it. So it gets more hits because people are curious |
| 15:18.34 | Mr_Molez | so true :P |
| 15:19.17 | CBG | Great! |
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| 16:21.32 | brlcad | woo hoo! frydae! |
| 16:22.00 | spldart | :-) |
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| 16:33.39 | DTRemenak | brlcad: next time I'll leave it for ya ;) |
| 16:35.15 | JeffM2501 | we should have a special admin only archive for them :) |
| 16:35.31 | blast007 | heh |
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| 16:37.42 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501: i haven't asked for a while, but can you fix my patch so that it keeps defaulting when it loads the vars file, and also incorporate the API change that i needed for my plugin, to 2.2? |
| 16:38.16 | JeffM2501 | IIIRC I made that change to 2.2 |
| 16:38.23 | Gnurdux | oh ok good |
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| 16:38.48 | Gnurdux | another thing that i was trying to figure out how to do, but couldn't, was to make it default the correct worldsize too |
| 16:38.52 | Gnurdux | i couldn't find it\ |
| 16:39.12 | Gnurdux | maybe another solution would be to lock worldsize, since that isn't too unreasonable |
| 16:40.17 | JeffM2501 | what is "it"? |
| 16:40.28 | Gnurdux | where worldsize is set based on the map |
| 16:40.37 | JeffM2501 | where isn't it based on the map? |
| 16:40.47 | Gnurdux | just where the server initializes it |
| 16:41.11 | JeffM2501 | I don't understand what you are saying |
| 16:41.32 | Gnurdux | depending on the stuff in the map, the server computes _worldSize |
| 16:41.37 | Gnurdux | i cant find where it does rhat |
| 16:41.52 | JeffM2501 | when it reads the map |
| 16:42.09 | JeffM2501 | why do you need to change it? |
| 16:42.21 | Gnurdux | so that that value doesnt get reset on /reset * |
| 16:42.34 | Gnurdux | ah, i was doing the wrong grep |
| 16:43.02 | Gnurdux | grepped for _worldSize rather than WORLDSIZE |
| 16:43.42 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 16:43.55 | JeffM2501 | not even shure why it's a bzdbvar |
| 16:44.02 | JeffM2501 | its part of the mapinfo IIRC |
| 16:45.24 | Gnurdux | but setting it screws stuff up |
| 16:45.41 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 16:45.44 | Gnurdux | ok, what i want is a 2-line fix, can i just say it here? |
| 16:46.19 | JeffM2501 | I'm not a place where I can work on BZ |
| 16:46.30 | Gnurdux | oh ok |
| 16:46.33 | JeffM2501 | mail it to me |
| 16:46.39 | Gnurdux | how? |
| 16:46.43 | JeffM2501 | email |
| 16:46.50 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 16:46.50 | JeffM2501 | it was an invention they had a while ago |
| 16:46.52 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 16:46.53 | JeffM2501 | with that internet thing |
| 16:46.58 | Gnurdux | but i dont know your address |
| 16:47.02 | JeffM2501 | bzbb |
| 16:47.04 | Gnurdux | k |
| 16:47.09 | JeffM2501 | its on EVERY one of my posts |
| 16:47.12 | Gnurdux | thnx |
| 16:47.15 | JeffM2501 | use brain |
| 16:52.51 | blast007 | JeffM2501: one reason you can set world size outside of the map file is for random maps |
| 16:53.11 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 16:53.20 | JeffM2501 | but it should not be set outside world creation time |
| 16:53.25 | blast007 | yeah |
| 16:53.39 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking of just pulling it as long as it's part of the gameinfo |
| 16:53.45 | JeffM2501 | we dont need the bzdbvar |
| 16:54.19 | JeffM2501 | I have to fix a work bug first tho |
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| 16:57.08 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Are you familiar with the localization stuff? |
| 16:57.17 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 16:57.19 | JeffM2501 | thankfully |
| 16:57.36 | ToughShooter | I found several problems but I don't know what code causes them |
| 16:58.20 | JeffM2501 | tim and brlcad are the masters of that IIRC |
| 16:58.20 | ToughShooter | Why did you wrote "thankfully"? |
| 16:58.29 | JeffM2501 | cus it's "wierd" |
| 16:58.59 | ToughShooter | Yeah, I saw it when I tried to create a whole new de localisation |
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| 17:00.19 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, you send the mail? |
| 17:08.51 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, yes |
| 17:12.03 | brlcad | what is this enail you speak of? |
| 17:12.48 | brlcad | ToughShooter: did you have a particular question about the l10n? |
| 17:14.55 | JeffM2501 | I haven't seen anything yet |
| 17:18.23 | JeffM2501 | it poofed |
| 17:18.32 | DTRemenak | so I see |
| 17:18.52 | DTRemenak | hm, no response to pinging the host |
| 17:19.34 | DTRemenak | probably comcast decided to randomly disconnect it again |
| 17:20.50 | JeffM2501 | comcast blows |
| 17:21.43 | DTRemenak | that it does; that it does |
| 17:26.25 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, still no mail |
| 17:26.35 | JeffM2501 | you send it to the mail in my bzbb profile? |
| 17:26.45 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 17:26.52 | Gnurdux | jeffm2501@verizon.net |
| 17:26.59 | Gnurdux | might be comcast having problems |
| 17:27.07 | JeffM2501 | thanks for posting it to the logs |
| 17:27.37 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 17:27.45 | Gnurdux | oh, sry |
| 17:28.03 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 17:28.03 | L4m3r | BAN! |
| 17:28.07 | L4m3r | oh, sorry |
| 17:28.34 | L4m3r | I'm mad a comcast |
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| 17:28.57 | L4m3r | they threw me a curveball when they installed cable here... the modem is also a router o_O |
| 17:29.37 | JeffM2501 | that's very common |
| 17:29.43 | L4m3r | ...it has piss-poor range, and I can't get into it because no one seems to know the password |
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| 17:30.02 | JeffM2501 | check the web, usualy they have the manuals online |
| 17:30.11 | JeffM2501 | then hardreset it, and login using the default password |
| 17:30.16 | JeffM2501 | that's what I did with my verizon router |
| 17:30.24 | JeffM2501 | got in and it's all configed now |
| 17:30.26 | L4m3r | hopefully I will be able to get in and DMZ it to my old router |
| 17:30.30 | JeffM2501 | it's actualy a REALY cool router |
| 17:30.36 | JeffM2501 | you should |
| 17:30.48 | JeffM2501 | tho I just ditched my old router cus the modem was better |
| 17:30.52 | L4m3r | it doesn't seem bad, but I can't find any info on it |
| 17:31.09 | L4m3r | since when does RCA make modems? o_O |
| 17:31.27 | L4m3r | ...I'd like to stay with the old router for the sake of expandability |
| 17:31.54 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: those RCA modems they ship are complete and utter crap |
| 17:31.55 | L4m3r | since it has plenty of accessories and whatnot available |
| 17:32.03 | L4m3r | greeeeeat |
| 17:32.10 | DTRemenak | you're better off buying a cable modem yourself |
| 17:32.23 | L4m3r | -_- |
| 17:32.32 | L4m3r | this is for my dad's house... |
| 17:32.47 | DTRemenak | they decide to just cut out every once in a while (they're pretty sensitive) |
| 17:33.03 | L4m3r | oh, that's just great |
| 17:33.12 | L4m3r | since we're going to mount it inside the ceiling and all... |
| 17:33.13 | DTRemenak | search around, you'll find lots of disparaging comments about them on the internet :) |
| 17:33.47 | L4m3r | we've remodeled more of the house, and put in a lot of communication lines |
| 17:34.06 | L4m3r | so there are going to be ethernet jacks all over the place |
| 17:34.13 | DTRemenak | may as well buy your own cable modem, use your old router, do it all yourself :) |
| 17:34.16 | L4m3r | and comcast isn't making that easy :x |
| 17:34.48 | L4m3r | another battle, fun :\ |
| 17:34.56 | JeffM2501 | I don't know what you'll get thru ATT |
| 17:35.11 | JeffM2501 | tho you will have pppoe |
| 17:35.12 | DTRemenak | heh, will that RCA modem even assign your router an IP? mine wouldn't, I had to emulate a MAC from a PC ethernet card to even get a DHCP reply |
| 17:35.25 | L4m3r | haven't tried yet |
| 17:35.49 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: it can't possibly be worse than comcast, right? :) |
| 17:35.55 | L4m3r | fortunately the modem is 192.168.0.1 and the router defaults to 192.168.1.1 |
| 17:36.02 | JeffM2501 | I had SBC, they were prety good |
| 17:36.07 | JeffM2501 | so I think you should be ok |
| 17:36.25 | JeffM2501 | I had to change to verizon when I moved |
| 17:36.29 | DTRemenak | hopefully |
| 17:36.30 | JeffM2501 | and they have turned out to be fine as well |
| 17:36.40 | L4m3r | weird thing that comcast is still around... you know, since AOL/Time Warner bought them out |
| 17:36.46 | JeffM2501 | and they keep sending the FIOS truck down my street :) |
| 17:36.51 | DTRemenak | ooh, fios |
| 17:37.08 | L4m3r | they're advertising on the radio, but the vans still say comcast |
| 17:37.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah they are doing the name conversions peicemeal |
| 17:37.31 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: heh, I called adelphia since it looked like I couldn't get DSL for a month or so around here...they told me to call TWC, TWC told me to call Adelphia... |
| 17:38.02 | JeffM2501 | you get your phone yet? |
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| 17:38.39 | L4m3r | we had Adelphia at the old place |
| 17:38.40 | JeffM2501 | actualy you are on an SBC dsl right now |
| 17:38.49 | L4m3r | it was pretty goof |
| 17:38.52 | L4m3r | good* |
| 17:38.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah the router Jer used was kinda crap |
| 17:39.09 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 17:39.17 | L4m3r | the internet was fast... TV was decent |
| 17:39.30 | L4m3r | the digital cable system comcast uses is MUCH faster in the menus though |
| 17:39.45 | DTRemenak | comcast was fast downstream, that was cool. never got more than the basic tv package, I don't watch tv. |
| 17:39.56 | Gnurdux | comcast died? |
| 17:40.00 | Gnurdux | but i still have it |
| 17:40.06 | Gnurdux | connected through it right now |
| 17:40.17 | L4m3r | I don't watch TV either |
| 17:40.27 | DTRemenak | Gnurdux: do you ever read? |
| 17:40.28 | L4m3r | but I used it the other day, and I was impressed |
| 17:40.35 | Gnurdux | DTRemenak, sometimes |
| 17:40.39 | L4m3r | who knew, he gets comcast in his cave |
| 17:41.15 | JBdiGriz | I stayed with SBC, and it's now AT&T. It seems fairly stable at this point. |
| 17:41.31 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 17:41.39 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you should know the answer to that by now... no |
| 17:41.58 | DTRemenak | hopefully I'll end up with that. I just wish they would turn on the DSL at the same time as phone service. |
| 17:42.14 | DTRemenak | lord knows I need the DSL more than the phone :) |
| 17:42.44 | JBdiGriz | I bought one of those cheap wireless routers at Fry's. It hooked up to the DSL and has been providing good service. Only occasional odd behavior. |
| 17:42.45 | L4m3r | forget all this slow cable crap, I want my 32/16 mbits! >:D |
| 17:42.49 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: now that was cool...I loved having 100mb fiber both directions :) |
| 17:43.07 | brlcad | i've been down to just a cell phone (no land line) for about 8 years now |
| 17:43.07 | L4m3r | 100mb? |
| 17:43.11 | DTRemenak | even if I did have to share with 170 other people |
| 17:43.17 | brlcad | and i'm considering cancelling that :) |
| 17:43.17 | L4m3r | ha |
| 17:43.24 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 17:43.27 | L4m3r | I tested it at 32/16 mbit |
| 17:43.38 | L4m3r | but that's in a building of some 950 people |
| 17:44.06 | L4m3r | and there are 5 or 6 other dorm buildings and a whole damn campus of computers on that same pipe |
| 17:44.07 | DTRemenak | early in the morning I tested mine to 61/73 or something like that |
| 17:44.11 | Gnurdux | so you alone can get 32/15 |
| 17:44.16 | L4m3r | so it must be obscenely fast |
| 17:44.22 | DTRemenak | which is close to the theoretical maximum for 100mb |
| 17:44.33 | DTRemenak | 78 or so |
| 17:44.44 | Gnurdux | why is that the max? |
| 17:44.47 | L4m3r | our website must be hosted too, since the downpipe is lower |
| 17:44.51 | DTRemenak | Gnurdux: overhead |
| 17:44.57 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 17:44.59 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: or it's an asymmetric connection |
| 17:45.42 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: heh, I downloaded the suse 9.1 dvd in less than 20 minutes when it came out. we had an I2 connection to oregon state, which had a mirror |
| 17:46.07 | L4m3r | DTRemenak: I downloaded the 64-bit Vista beta in half an hour |
| 17:46.10 | DTRemenak | just like local network |
| 17:46.18 | Gnurdux | 10508 / 349 |
| 17:46.34 | Gnurdux | dl is nice, upload is crap |
| 17:47.42 | L4m3r | the entire UC system has a nice backbone running through it. Supposedly there's a lot of DCC "sharing" that goes on amongst students across the campuses |
| 17:47.57 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, check mail now, i just got my test message to myself |
| 17:47.59 | DTRemenak | I'm sure there is |
| 17:48.19 | L4m3r | hell, my roommate used to give and recieve whole albums via aim |
| 17:48.39 | L4m3r | on campus... it'd only take a few minutes |
| 17:48.45 | JeffM2501 | hmm so you want to set anything that is set in the world file as default too |
| 17:48.48 | JeffM2501 | guess that makes sense |
| 17:50.03 | Gnurdux | cuase currently it kicks clients if you do /reset *, and the worldsize is bigger than 800 |
| 17:50.22 | JeffM2501 | that change would change more the worldsize |
| 17:51.46 | Gnurdux | yes, but those variables really shouldnt be reset too |
| 17:52.00 | JeffM2501 | I agree |
| 17:52.02 | Gnurdux | why should sets be default, but world stuff not |
| 17:52.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah they are the same as a vars file |
| 17:52.50 | Gnurdux | but not read the same way |
| 17:52.58 | JeffM2501 | they are read simialr |
| 17:53.01 | JeffM2501 | just in a difrent place |
| 17:53.10 | Gnurdux | the options stuff already is saved |
| 17:53.24 | Gnurdux | what i sent you only fixes the size command and those similar to it |
| 17:53.49 | JeffM2501 | your copy and paste skills need a bit of work |
| 17:53.54 | JeffM2501 | never seen anyone mispell in a copy and paste |
| 17:54.38 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 17:54.53 | Gnurdux | true |
| 17:56.15 | DTRemenak | if you misspelled it the first time, it can be misspelled in a copy/paste :) |
| 17:56.51 | JeffM2501 | no, it was right in the origional ;) |
| 17:56.55 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CustomWorld.cxx: make the bzdb vars we save at world read time be default ( from Michael Cohen mikey-soft@comcast.net ) |
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| 18:11.08 | A-Delusion | how much has playhistorytracker been improved since it's earliest release? I'm trying to figure out if it would be worth applying some old mods to the new source, or just use the old one. |
| 18:12.17 | blast007 | A-Delusion: the changes would be in CVS |
| 18:12.34 | blast007 | you can use the web CVS to see what has been changed |
| 18:12.58 | ToughShooter | brlcad: When a certain string is unset some entries in the menus disappear, others show up in original language. It's terribly inconsistant |
| 18:14.21 | A-Delusion | blast007, thanks, but why didn't you say something on ##planetmofo? |
| 18:14.50 | A-Delusion | when i asked ten minutes ago. |
| 18:15.01 | blast007 | cuz I'm at work, and I have things to do :) |
| 18:15.10 | A-Delusion | ok, i know |
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| 18:27.04 | Bz_Win | How do I apply the "angvel" transform to a mesh? I found it in an old thread but I can't seem to apply it to the mesh.. |
| 18:35.15 | blast007 | Bz_Win: http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5.in |
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| 18:39.35 | Erroneous | grr |
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| 18:50.32 | brlcad | ToughShooter: that'd be a bug in the Bundle code |
| 18:51.37 | brlcad | we don't do "usual" l10n where we'd hook onto something like the _() macro .. we do it all ourselves where there's a Bundle class that handles the l10n mapping from the string being printed to the language file |
| 18:52.16 | brlcad | Bundle does a map lookup, and if it fails.. it probably just returns an empty string or something silly like that instead of the default english |
| 18:54.13 | brlcad | hmm, no it does correctly return the key .. maybe something due to the fact it's passed the key as a reference, and someones passing a ref to a temp or something |
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| 18:58.38 | ToughShooter | Some stuff works, other doesn't |
| 18:58.44 | ToughShooter | It's really wiered |
| 18:59.02 | ToughShooter | and one submenu seems not being localizeable for me :/ |
| 18:59.14 | ToughShooter | but the other translations do |
| 19:01.20 | brlcad | is that submenu using a HUDuiLabel? |
| 19:01.52 | brlcad | "most" of the HUDui elements (e.g. 'options') use Bundle automatically for you |
| 19:02.10 | brlcad | if someone rolled their own stuff and aren't going through Bundle, you're not going to get the translation |
| 19:02.38 | A_Heart_Attack | ~bzflag |
| 19:02.39 | ibot | hmm... bzflag is a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker |
| 19:02.39 | brlcad | you have to call Bundle's getLocalString() |
| 19:02.59 | A_Heart_Attack | ~timriker |
| 19:03.00 | ibot | methinks timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy. |
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| 19:18.00 | Gnurdux | TimRiker, you GPL'd SCO's ABI files? |
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| 19:28.49 | CBG | Anyone here got an intel mac? |
| 19:32.00 | Silver[a] | j/k |
| 19:32.49 | Bz_Win | ;( |
| 19:33.39 | Silver[a] | just kidding! |
| 19:33.43 | Silver[a] | What do they cost? |
| 19:34.51 | Bz_Win | I spent, err, something like 1200$ on my macbook |
| 19:35.15 | SilverFox | thats a little better I guess. |
| 19:35.18 | SilverFox | How's it run? |
| 19:35.34 | Bz_Win | Faster then my pc, but I havent done any benchmarks |
| 19:35.43 | Bz_Win | boots in about 10 seconds too :) |
| 19:35.51 | JBdiGriz | SilverFox: with Windows, Linux, or MacOS? |
| 19:36.01 | SilverFox | MacOS. |
| 19:36.38 | SilverFox | thats nice. |
| 19:36.58 | SilverFox | I've been tempted to get a Mac for a long time, but the price point is always too high for me to "try it out" |
| 19:37.34 | JBdiGriz | Have you actually checked the price points, or are you just reading the popular media stories? |
| 19:38.32 | Bz_Win | You can get a 1.66ghz duo for less then a single core win machine... |
| 19:38.38 | purple_cow | the new mac pro is priced really nicely |
| 19:38.45 | SilverFox | I've checked. |
| 19:38.52 | SilverFox | It always goes something like this... |
| 19:39.08 | SilverFox | I can get a newMac system for $X... |
| 19:39.17 | SilverFox | Then I start thinking about how I could have 3 PC's for $X |
| 19:39.37 | SilverFox | Sounds like its closer to 2 PC's now. |
| 19:40.14 | Bz_Win | :( |
| 19:40.29 | JBdiGriz | That just doesn't sound right for an equivalent system. PC World did a comparison of the MacPro to an equivalent Dell. The mac was about $800 less. |
| 19:40.49 | JBdiGriz | You did get a $250 monitor with the Dell system though. |
| 19:42.27 | SilverFox | My home PC cost about $300 (plus monitor) |
| 19:42.48 | purple_cow | JBdiGriz: well, the mac pro is pretty much the first time that's happened |
| 19:43.04 | SilverFox | what does a mac pro go for? |
| 19:43.07 | purple_cow | and that's probably just because dell puts such huge margins on "server" machines |
| 19:43.44 | JBdiGriz | Recently, the prices have been pretty comparable for machines with similar specs. |
| 19:43.55 | ToughShooter | purple_cow: Not from what I saw |
| 19:44.07 | ToughShooter | The prices are even or lower in general |
| 19:44.22 | JBdiGriz | SilverFox: Retail prices are available at apple.com |
| 19:44.31 | purple_cow | i wouldn't mind a mac pro under my desk here at work |
| 19:44.38 | Bz_Win | Only thing bad about the macbook is it seems ~10% of them have a random shutdown issue |
| 19:44.45 | JBdiGriz | Educational discounts are about 15%, and developer discounts are about 20% |
| 19:45.31 | CBG | How do you even get an edu. discount? |
| 19:45.40 | CBG | Do you have to go through your college/whatever ? |
| 19:45.41 | brlcad | cept you'd probably do something silly like install linux on it :) |
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| 19:46.03 | A-Delusion | http://www.macworld.com/2006/08/features/macproprice/index.php |
| 19:46.04 | JBdiGriz | Have fun, install linux, and windows on it? :D |
| 19:46.06 | ToughShooter | Well, students on universities get edu discount |
| 19:46.11 | ToughShooter | or teachers |
| 19:46.25 | CBG | I'm at a small college, about 200 students. |
| 19:46.38 | JBdiGriz | It looked like K-12 or their parents can also qualify for the edu discount. |
| 19:46.50 | A-Delusion | http://www.apple.com/education/ |
| 19:46.59 | Bz_Win | I used my cousins edu discount :P I'm just that cheap :p |
| 19:47.10 | purple_cow | brlcad: well, i *am* on the linux team ;) |
| 19:47.21 | purple_cow | but it's a nice piece of hardware |
| 19:47.24 | purple_cow | also, OSX kinda sucks |
| 19:48.39 | ToughShooter | The mach kernels seems to be rather old |
| 19:49.33 | CBG | Uh... Apple Store for Further Education -> Please call 0800 039 1010 ... :( |
| 19:50.04 | JBdiGriz | Is there a problem with your phone? It never hurts to ask. |
| 19:50.54 | Hotman | heuu, i have a bz question, i can? |
| 19:51.00 | blast007 | go for it |
| 19:51.02 | Hotman | hi btw :P |
| 19:51.05 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:51.15 | Hotman | i just installed bzflag on my new ubuntu |
| 19:51.27 | Hotman | the problem is that i have too much fps, up to 450 |
| 19:51.40 | Hotman | but when i was on windows, I had "only" 85 |
| 19:51.43 | ToughShooter | Turn energy saver on |
| 19:51.53 | Hotman | is it normal or i should do someting? |
| 19:51.54 | ToughShooter | /localset fpsLimit n |
| 19:52.05 | Hotman | ok ToughShooter |
| 19:52.08 | ToughShooter | where n is the number of frames you would get |
| 19:52.25 | ToughShooter | (frames/second of course) |
| 19:52.45 | Hotman | cause my card is hot after some minute |
| 19:52.58 | Hotman | i will do this, thx ToughShooter |
| 19:53.22 | blast007 | or turn on vsync |
| 19:53.51 | Theme97 | Hmm... I was watching a game and when I used Leave Game, I heard the teleporter sound shortly after. Shouldn't it cut off all sounds that haven't reached me when I leave? |
| 19:53.56 | ToughShooter | vync is a driver feature may not available on his system |
| 19:54.06 | blast007 | ToughShooter: true |
| 19:54.18 | blast007 | worth checking though |
| 19:54.36 | ToughShooter | Theme97: There is a little delay |
| 19:55.11 | Hotman | with energysaver on i got 25 |
| 19:55.19 | ToughShooter | Like when a server disconnects and you are about to e something |
| 19:55.22 | ToughShooter | ooops |
| 19:55.39 | ToughShooter | when you are about to send something written bzflag will crash |
| 19:55.49 | ToughShooter | It's not very savy |
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| 20:02.18 | blast007 | Hotman: did you do that /localset once in a game, after hitting 'n'? |
| 20:02.58 | Hotman | nop, i changed the config file |
| 20:03.05 | blast007 | k |
| 20:03.12 | Hotman | set fpsLimit 100 |
| 20:05.21 | ToughShooter | That's another way ;) |
| 20:05.49 | Hotman | :) |
| 20:05.57 | ToughShooter | That requires knowing where the config file is, that's something most players don't know :) |
| 20:06.16 | Hotman | i cant live without my config file ^^ |
| 20:07.09 | Hotman | i suppose that is the same for you |
| 20:07.23 | ToughShooter | Heh, the 2.2 users may search their config file in desperation :) |
| 20:08.28 | Hotman | lol |
| 20:08.53 | CBG | JBdiGriz: No, the phone works, afaik, but it costs money. Besides, why do you think I live on the internet? :) |
| 20:13.08 | brlcad | purple_cow: so you don't think they'd look to favorably if you installed Parallels so that you could run Linux in there alongside Mac OS X? ;) |
| 20:14.37 | purple_cow | why would I install parallels? |
| 20:15.18 | purple_cow | I could just download an internal build ;) |
| 20:15.21 | CBG | "so that you could run Linux in there alongside Mac OS X" |
| 20:16.51 | JeffM2501 | CBG, I think he means he's just run VMware if he needed too |
| 20:16.59 | JeffM2501 | cus he just kinda has acccess to it |
| 20:17.46 | JeffM2501 | he works for VMware |
| 20:18.07 | CBG | ok, and that's..? |
| 20:18.10 | JeffM2501 | hence why they would not like him installing parales |
| 20:18.18 | JeffM2501 | the other big virtualisation tool |
| 20:18.26 | CBG | ah, ok. |
| 20:18.43 | JeffM2501 | aka there main compettion |
| 20:18.52 | CBG | i see. |
| 20:18.59 | JeffM2501 | I'd be like me installing mastercam :) |
| 20:19.17 | purple_cow | pfft |
| 20:19.23 | purple_cow | vmware doesn't really have competition right now |
| 20:19.26 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 20:19.30 | JeffM2501 | not on the same scale |
| 20:19.32 | CBG | Sure it does |
| 20:19.35 | JeffM2501 | you got way more systems |
| 20:19.45 | JeffM2501 | the MS stuff dosn't realy hurt ya |
| 20:19.49 | CBG | I never heard of it, I wouldda used Parallels if I had an intel mac. |
| 20:20.04 | JeffM2501 | well the VM ware one isn't done yet IIRC |
| 20:20.17 | JeffM2501 | so it's not compettion yet |
| 20:20.28 | JeffM2501 | and I can't see how the mac market for that is gonna be HUGE |
| 20:21.30 | CBG | it doesn't need to be huge to be a competitor.. |
| 20:21.56 | ToughShooter | It needs to be good to make people switching from Parallels to VMWare |
| 20:22.02 | JeffM2501 | it needs to be big enough to compete over |
| 20:23.25 | JeffM2501 | it'll probalby split well |
| 20:23.38 | JeffM2501 | with each being used by people who need what each is good at |
| 20:24.25 | JeffM2501 | asuming that all the macbooks and dells can keep from exploding |
| 20:25.38 | purple_cow | kaboom |
| 20:28.27 | DTRemenak | it's broken? |
| 20:28.27 | JeffM2501 | for gpx |
| 20:28.27 | DTRemenak | ahh |
| 20:28.27 | JeffM2501 | it's calling libpng |
| 20:28.29 | JeffM2501 | but it pukes |
| 20:28.37 | JeffM2501 | cus devil is a pita to setup |
| 20:28.41 | JeffM2501 | hah |
| 20:29.04 | DTRemenak | for some sick reason I like debugging that code |
| 20:29.20 | JeffM2501 | sick sick puppy |
| 20:29.28 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 20:29.36 | JeffM2501 | it offer any advantage over libpng? |
| 20:30.05 | DTRemenak | it's smaller |
| 20:30.39 | DTRemenak | might be faster, but libpng has been worked over enough I'm not sure. probably ought to bench it |
| 20:30.41 | JeffM2501 | well if you dynamic link in libpng, it would make the final app larger since we static |
| 20:31.18 | DTRemenak | and it's not contributing to the monoculture :) |
| 20:31.34 | JeffM2501 | think I should look into using it over libpng? |
| 20:31.54 | JeffM2501 | or just bite the bullet and get devil to work on the mac |
| 20:32.11 | JeffM2501 | devil is so nice to use |
| 20:32.18 | DTRemenak | I've used it for a few things. disadvantages are that it's read-only (although we have our own write code too), and doesn't do interlacing. |
| 20:33.20 | trepan | it's also non-standard, and has been known to fail for odd images |
| 20:34.19 | trepan | (although you've done a fine job of fix-as-you-go :) |
| 20:34.40 | DTRemenak | it does pass the entire png test suite (apart from interlacing) |
| 20:34.40 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure there is just some stupid thing I did in libpng |
| 20:36.39 | trepan | JeffM2501: if you're using SDL, SDLimage would also be easy to try |
| 20:36.47 | JeffM2501 | that is true |
| 20:37.09 | JeffM2501 | probably should try that one |
| 20:37.56 | JeffM2501 | it is prety easy to swap out image readers |
| 20:38.13 | trepan | dead example code in src/mediafile/MediaFile.cxx ;) |
| 20:38.24 | JeffM2501 | cool, thanks |
| 20:39.08 | JeffM2501 | SDL image is a seperate package from SDL? or part of the base thing |
| 20:39.14 | JeffM2501 | cus like SDL net is seperate |
| 20:39.59 | trepan | separate |
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| 20:50.02 | freed | hi, there is no public bot api on bzf ? |
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| 20:52.05 | JeffM2501 | not yet |
| 20:52.14 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 has a partal implemenation |
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| 20:52.54 | freed | ok |
| 20:57.26 | JeffM2501 | tho that api is kinda stalled till the server gets a full up to date server state and can do colisions. |
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| 21:07.31 | Punkus | anyone know of a good bzmap tutorial? the one thumper uses for the olympic server |
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| 21:11.05 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 21:12.54 | A-Delusion | http://bzflag.norang.ca/ |
| 21:13.28 | Punkus | anyone know of a good bzmap TUTORIAL? :} |
| 21:14.06 | spldart | Interesting stuff on http://kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzw/ http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5s |
| 21:14.06 | A-Delusion | but olympics is a one of a kind map, it changes every time the last player leaves. |
| 21:14.06 | Punkus | I know |
| 21:15.10 | A-Delusion | well, that's thumper's site, if you wanted to make an olympic-style map, he's got some stuff there. |
| 21:15.26 | Punkus | A-Delusion: does the olympic server use the old version of bzmap? |
| 21:15.28 | *** part/#bzflag freed (n=freed@mac33-2-82-225-98-209.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:16.24 | A-Delusion | I wouldnt know, I do have copies of the files he uses for olympics, but it's (mostly) beyond my skills. |
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| 21:19.50 | brlcad | purple_cow: for the hilarity :) |
| 21:21.14 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I thought I'd fixed gpx's png thing like a year ago... |
| 21:22.10 | JBdiGriz | purple_cow works for VMWare now? I should start harassing him about installing modules. |
| 21:23.08 | purple_cow | installing modules? |
| 21:23.56 | brlcad | at least it would seem hilarious to me, not sure your new boss or coworkers would find it funny.. |
| 21:24.48 | purple_cow | they probably would |
| 21:24.55 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, did you? |
| 21:25.04 | JeffM2501 | last screenshot I saw from you had it all white |
| 21:25.05 | purple_cow | i find it absolutely hilarious that some customers need to buy parallels in order to administrate their ESX servers right now ;) |
| 21:25.11 | JeffM2501 | you made it compile, that's for sure |
| 21:25.18 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:30.59 | JBdiGriz | Installing driver modules on vmware seems to have some interesting effects. Especially if one is trying to develop a new driver and using vmware as the development environment. |
| 21:31.46 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, feel like checking out the code and seeing if it works? ;) |
| 21:36.46 | brlcad | probably about as much as you feel like doing that :) |
| 21:37.05 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 21:37.57 | JeffM2501 | wonder if the nix makefile works |
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| 21:51.41 | spldart | good grief... had a tanker goin by PORNOLIO on my map the last 2 months... after multiple warnings I banned... he came back 4 times on 4 different IP's... I have 3 #.#.*.* 's in my banlist now to get rid of him :mad: |
| 21:54.47 | brlcad | spldart: ban him at the callsign level |
| 21:55.23 | brlcad | you can enable the callsign filter on the server and ban various combinations of his name that you've seen |
| 21:55.57 | spldart | I doubt that would last as long though... he would just demonstrate to me that he has more time to think of creative names than I have time to chase him off :( |
| 21:56.29 | spldart | He seems to have lots of time on his hands |
| 21:56.34 | brlcad | probably does |
| 21:56.37 | spldart | oh.. and no life |
| 21:57.34 | brlcad | are his hostnames consistent? |
| 21:57.43 | spldart | I wonder if he has chat off since he never talks back to me |
| 21:58.19 | spldart | his names have been consistent... But since he revolves his ip when I ban then i must conclude he will change names just as easy if not easier |
| 21:58.35 | spldart | oh |
| 21:58.36 | spldart | sorry |
| 21:58.38 | spldart | hostnames |
| 21:58.44 | spldart | handn't checked |
| 22:00.14 | brlcad | could also join a bzadmin "bot", have it watch for his abuse and just automatically ban both his IP and callsign pretty easily |
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| 22:01.23 | spldart | He's always 68.64.... and his entire ip will stay static until I ban him then it will change and he will rejoin... but always 68.64.#.# I meant to say 3 bans #.#.#.* and finally I resorted to #.#.*.* |
| 22:01.34 | spldart | hehe |
| 22:01.47 | spldart | I'd have to right some code to do that... I'm still learning |
| 22:01.49 | brlcad | ahh |
| 22:02.04 | brlcad | still -- his hostnames got to be pretty consistent then, that's probably one isp |
| 22:02.08 | spldart | My proggies are still much simpler |
| 22:02.37 | spldart | yeah.. wierd though... he will be static for days if I don't ban him |
| 22:02.42 | spldart | then shift |
| 22:02.53 | spldart | meh |
| 22:02.55 | spldart | no biggie |
| 22:02.56 | brlcad | that's not so wierd |
| 22:02.59 | spldart | I was mostly griping |
| 22:03.07 | brlcad | you ban him, he walks over and resets his cable router |
| 22:03.13 | brlcad | gets a new ip and is good to go |
| 22:03.18 | spldart | Well... wierd in the way that it's alot of trouble just to get around one small servers ban |
| 22:03.31 | spldart | but yeah |
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| 22:34.34 | JeffM2501 | awww, dtr gets his first cubicle |
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| 22:35.57 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, looks like the only thing you did with the image loaders was quell some gl type warnings. |
| 22:36.45 | spldart | heh |
| 22:36.52 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 22:37.32 | JeffM2501 | wonder how hard the linux ATI X1x00 drivers are to install |
| 22:37.56 | JBdiGriz | Can you stand on your head while balancing the manual on your feet? |
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| 22:38.08 | JeffM2501 | sober? |
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| 22:43.46 | JBdiGriz | Are you planning on being sober when you install the ATI drivers? |
| 22:44.03 | spldart | Not advisable |
| 22:44.05 | JeffM2501 | what ever I need to be :) |
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| 23:06.14 | Shaba1 | Hello anyone here? |
| 23:06.25 | spldart | Nope |
| 23:06.27 | a_meteorite | no |
| 23:06.32 | a_meteorite | we all died long ago |
| 23:06.35 | spldart | :--0 |
| 23:06.37 | Theme97 | a_meteorite crushed us all. |
| 23:07.29 | Shaba1 | Hi I tried using bzflag.exe -solo 10 but when bzflag started it just froze. |
| 23:07.52 | Shaba1 | Can the program be run in a single player mode without connecting to a server on the internet? |
| 23:08.27 | spldart | you could connect to a local server or a server on the lan |
| 23:08.45 | spldart | and I didn't freeze my with solo on a network server till I got to 100 bots |
| 23:08.47 | spldart | hehe |
| 23:10.50 | Shaba1 | So what would be the command if I wanted to run it just on my machine |
| 23:11.01 | Shaba1 | bzflag -solo 10 ???????? |
| 23:11.05 | a_meteorite | Shaba1: that's what most would use |
| 23:11.11 | a_meteorite | bzflag -solo 10 |
| 23:11.32 | menotume | a_meteorite: pingy (pm) ? |
| 23:11.41 | Shaba1 | Don't I have to designate localhost or 127.0.0.1 somewhere? |
| 23:12.12 | A-Delusion | you need both a server and a ckient |
| 23:12.36 | A-Delusion | you cant connect to a server that doesnt exist |
| 23:12.53 | Shaba1 | Ok folks that is what I am asking |
| 23:13.06 | Shaba1 | how can I play against the computer on my own machine? |
| 23:13.14 | A-Delusion | learn to start a server, then connect your client to it. |
| 23:13.34 | Shaba1 | Ok never mind. |
| 23:13.43 | Theme97 | When you start your server, connect your client to 127.0.0.1 or localhost. |
| 23:13.57 | Shaba1 | Theme97 |
| 23:14.09 | Shaba1 | How do I START a server on my own machine. |
| 23:14.13 | A-Delusion | local IP numbers will vary by your router model. |
| 23:14.32 | A-Delusion | that's alot harder than running bots. |
| 23:14.38 | Shaba1 | guys thanks for the help but I think you are missing what I am asking |
| 23:15.00 | Shaba1 | How do I play against the computer without it even connect to the internet? |
| 23:15.19 | A-Delusion | start a server. |
| 23:15.32 | Shaba1 | Ok how do you do that?? |
| 23:15.37 | A-Delusion | it doent need internet. thats how mappers test maps. |
| 23:15.57 | A-Delusion | that's a long story, shabal. |
| 23:16.13 | Mr_Molez | go to join server then click start server |
| 23:16.14 | Mr_Molez | very simple |
| 23:22.03 | CBG | Shaba1: http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzfs.6.in |
| 23:23.59 | CBG | Shaba1: you can leave out a lot of commands, in fact, a server will run with none of them. |
| 23:24.06 | *** join/#bzflag amcnabb (n=amcnabb@c-24-10-162-63.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:24.25 | *** join/#bzflag SanDayGoDom (n=noneya@adsl-63-202-227-130.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 23:24.27 | CBG | However, -public and -publicaddr are the 2 that make the server "public", so you're server is private to you, if you leave those out. |
| 23:26.18 | SanDayGoDom | thanks guys I just had to reboot the whole machine |
| 23:26.32 | CBG | You could just run "/path/to/bzfs" in your command line and then join to localhost:5154 |
| 23:26.44 | CBG | SanDayGoDom: did ya catch all I said? |
| 23:27.34 | SanDayGoDom | Nope |
| 23:27.48 | CBG | [12:22am] <CBG> Shaba1: http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzfs.6.in |
| 23:27.49 | CBG | [12:24am] <CBG> Shaba1: you can leave out a lot of commands, in fact, a server will run with none of them. |
| 23:28.36 | CBG | However, -public and -publicaddr are the 2 that make the server "public", so you're server is private to you, if you leave those out. You could just run "/path/to/bzfs" in your command line and then join to localhost:5154 and this would/should give you a random map, no jumping, no ricochet, 1 shot, FFA. |
| 23:29.10 | A-Delusion | do you know where bzfs is? |
| 23:29.13 | *** join/#bzflag SanDayGoDom (n=noneya@adsl-63-202-227-130.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 23:29.33 | CBG | SanDayGoDom: [12:29am] <A-Delusion> do you know where bzfs is? |
| 23:29.49 | CBG | same place as bzflag ;) |
| 23:29.55 | SanDayGoDom | I do not even have any idea WHAT that is |
| 23:29.58 | SanDayGoDom | Ok |
| 23:30.05 | A-Delusion | BZFlagServer |
| 23:30.23 | Mr_Molez | CBG: lol u just said all that for nothing |
| 23:30.26 | A-Delusion | it's a part of every BZFlag distribution |
| 23:30.38 | Mr_Molez | A-Delusion: no true |
| 23:30.43 | Mr_Molez | *not |
| 23:30.44 | A-Delusion | it's inside the application that you have |
| 23:30.47 | SanDayGoDom | looking in there and all I see is the bzflag.exe file and bzadmin |
| 23:30.52 | CBG | Take the command you use to run bzflag with bots, take off the -solo part and change the bzflag at the end to bzfs, run that |
| 23:31.14 | Mr_Molez | some distros prove the server and client seperately |
| 23:31.18 | A-Delusion | mr molez... it's not? |
| 23:31.27 | Mr_Molez | provide* i cant type today :P |
| 23:31.28 | A-Delusion | didnt know that |
| 23:31.30 | CBG | that should start a server on localhost:5154 |
| 23:31.31 | CBG | SanDayGoDom: what OS ? |
| 23:31.53 | SanDayGoDom | windows xp |
| 23:31.58 | A-Delusion | uh oh |
| 23:32.09 | CBG | shouldn't matter |
| 23:32.20 | CBG | and you can use your command line, right? |
| 23:32.51 | Mr_Molez | why are you getting him to use commandline, "start server " will be much better for him |
| 23:33.01 | CBG | That actually WORKS!?!?! |
| 23:33.14 | Mr_Molez | duno about mac but it works for everything else |
| 23:33.30 | CBG | holy shmoly |
| 23:33.34 | SanDayGoDom | Ok I am in that directory with the command line now what |
| 23:33.52 | Mr_Molez | CBG: good luck explaining commandline to him :P |
| 23:34.27 | JeffM2501 | start server should work fine |
| 23:34.28 | CBG | Take the command you use to run bzflag with bots, take off the -solo part and change the bzflag at the end to bzfs, run that... It should start a server on localhost:5154. |
| 23:34.55 | JeffM2501 | if he's on windows, there are even shortcuts that start servers with the various options |
| 23:35.05 | JeffM2501 | that can be modfied quite easaly |
| 23:35.12 | CBG | Fine, I quit. |
| 23:35.17 | JeffM2501 | just saying |
| 23:35.22 | JeffM2501 | knowing command line isn't a bad thing |
| 23:35.26 | CBG | I'm not adequately qualified to support windows. |
| 23:35.33 | JeffM2501 | just it is the most complex |
| 23:35.45 | CBG | If the ingame server thing works, he should have no trouble. |
| 23:35.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:35.50 | CBG | It seems simple enough. |
| 23:35.59 | JeffM2501 | hmm should make a shortcut that reads a config |
| 23:36.12 | JeffM2501 | and provide a sample config, that would make it easy |
| 23:36.41 | Shaba1 | Hey I have been programming before most of you were born |
| 23:36.50 | Shaba1 | I started on an altair 5000 |
| 23:36.51 | JeffM2501 | then commandline should be cake |
| 23:37.00 | Shaba1 | So yes I know what a commandline is. |
| 23:37.06 | CBG | Yeah, there's a bunch of neat stuff in the source that could be in like, a "misc" file in the other downloads... |
| 23:37.10 | JeffM2501 | then just fire off bzfs wit the options youw ant |
| 23:37.11 | Shaba1 | We use to use keypunch cards |
| 23:37.22 | CBG | Shaba1: ok, so read the man page... |
| 23:37.40 | JeffM2501 | you just want a non public server? |
| 23:38.58 | Shaba1 | Thats assuming that people that write programs can actually write CLEAR instructions for using them. |
| 23:39.26 | Shaba1 | In my 30 years in this field I have not found that to be the case. |
| 23:39.36 | JeffM2501 | the command line options for bzfs are fairly well documented |
| 23:39.38 | CBG | The man page was pretty helpful to me. |
| 23:39.48 | JeffM2501 | our docs do assume that you know how to use your OSs terminal functions |
| 23:40.06 | CBG | I didn't know what a command line was before, now... ;) |
| 23:41.00 | A-Delusion | you want me to send you a sample configuration file? just give me an address. |
| 23:43.36 | JeffM2501 | I'm willing to answer any questions you have if you get over the snippy remarks and the "I've been doing this since you were in diapers", cus I'm sure you wern't when I was ;) |
| 23:44.08 | JeffM2501 | A-Delusion, the config file is just command line params in a file, so the man page still describes them |
| 23:44.44 | CBG | I'm sure he's capable of running bzfs in a command line, if he's been using computers for so long. :) |
| 23:44.50 | CBG | And that's all he needs to do for now. |
| 23:44.56 | JeffM2501 | then he'll ask if he has questions :) |
| 23:45.04 | CBG | Once he has it working, he can add options for jumping, rico, flags, and so on... |
| 23:45.25 | JeffM2501 | a couple more shortcuts wouldn't hurt |
| 23:45.31 | JeffM2501 | as well as mention of where they are in the readme |
| 23:45.45 | JeffM2501 | we've been redoing the readmes for 2.2 |
| 23:45.51 | JeffM2501 | as they are somewhat lacking for new users |
| 23:46.04 | CBG | I pointed him to the man page. |
| 23:46.08 | JeffM2501 | brlcad has been wroking doc mojo on them |
| 23:46.12 | JeffM2501 | I know, I saw |
| 23:47.54 | CBG | Wow, that's freaky. You know my topic called "Links on making and testing maps"? |
| 23:48.19 | CBG | The old topic ID was: 3798, now its: 8739 ... |
| 23:48.33 | JeffM2501 | I did some fourm pruning and moving |
| 23:48.37 | JeffM2501 | so they change |
| 23:48.48 | CBG | Oh :/ |
| 23:48.50 | JeffM2501 | added a new sub fourm |
| 23:48.56 | Mr_Molez | CBG: heh nice |
| 23:49.16 | CBG | The topic ID for that thread won't change if you delete some other thread though.. right? |
| 23:49.24 | CBG | I mean, i didn't think phpBB sucked _that_ much. |
| 23:51.47 | JeffM2501 | they change if I move them from fourm to fourm IIRC |
| 23:51.57 | JeffM2501 | IIRC they get pulled and readded |
| 23:52.24 | DTRemenak | that's a strange way to do things |
| 23:52.35 | DTRemenak | I can understand if you split it or something |
| 23:52.38 | DTRemenak | or left a shadow topic |
| 23:52.45 | JeffM2501 | split and move use the same code IIRC |
| 23:52.50 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 23:52.56 | DTRemenak | that seems wasteful |
| 23:52.57 | JeffM2501 | move is split with a delete |
| 23:53.03 | JeffM2501 | hey I didn't write it ;) |
| 23:53.06 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:53.26 | JeffM2501 | mmmmm bbq beefy goodness |
| 23:54.29 | JeffM2501 | you want the Fry's Ad? I have it here |
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| 23:54.48 | DTRemenak | sure |
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| 23:58.02 | L4m3r | Lol, I just realized that that idiotic "ghetto" thread has been deleted |
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| 23:58.59 | Shaba1 | Well folks once again that locked me up |