| 00:03.41 | SportyGal | Happy Birthday, Birdie! |
| 00:19.31 | luke-jr_ | tracepath 192.88.99.1 |
| 00:19.32 | luke-jr_ | please |
| 00:20.44 | *** part/#bzflag Skeeve (n=Skeeve@p50895B57.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:25.31 | orthox | anyone up for a 3x3 pb match? |
| 00:27.08 | PuMpErNiCkLe | pb? |
| 00:27.15 | orthox | pillbox |
| 00:30.09 | luke-jr_ | Can EVERYone please tell me the destination they get for: tracepath 192.88.99.1 |
| 00:32.39 | *** join/#bzflag a_meteorite (i=cfe91b9b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/unlabeled) |
| 00:33.06 | menotume | luke-jr_: 11: swiCE2-10GE-1-4.switch.ch (130.59.36.209) asymm 19 131.352ms reached |
| 00:33.34 | JeffM2501 | C:\Documents and Settings\JeffM>tracepath 192.88.99.1 |
| 00:33.35 | JeffM2501 | 'tracepath' is not recognized as an internal or external command, |
| 00:33.35 | JeffM2501 | operable program or batch file. |
| 00:33.44 | menotume | traceroute :) |
| 00:33.47 | menotume | tracert |
| 00:33.52 | luke-jr_ | menotume: thx |
| 00:33.56 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 00:34.15 | luke-jr_ | JeffM2501: how about you? |
| 00:34.24 | JeffM2501 | I just pasted it |
| 00:36.31 | luke-jr_ | ... |
| 00:37.06 | CBG | the "destination for 192.88.99.1"? Isn't that just 192.88.99.1 ...? |
| 00:37.27 | *** join/#bzflag GMMan (n=Yukai_Li@142-165-188-144.nbfr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) |
| 00:38.05 | luke-jr_ | CBG: 192.88.99.1 is an anycast address |
| 00:38.20 | luke-jr_ | it goes to the nearest server for the service |
| 00:38.46 | CBG | ok.. |
| 00:39.08 | *** join/#bzflag a_meteorite (i=cfe91b9b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/unlabeled) |
| 00:39.16 | CBG | well, my last line for traceroute was: 12 192.88.99.1 (192.88.99.1) 39.239 ms 33.541 ms 32.956 ms |
| 00:39.27 | luke-jr_ | wtf |
| 00:39.33 | luke-jr_ | that's a new one |
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| 00:48.05 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JBdiGriz] by ChanServ |
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| 01:06.18 | Luke-Jr | there |
| 01:06.20 | Luke-Jr | IPv6 working again |
| 01:08.30 | a_meteorite | Luke-Jr: your ISP provides IPv6? |
| 01:09.50 | Luke-Jr | no |
| 01:10.30 | Luke-Jr | but Sprint does, apparently |
| 01:10.44 | Luke-Jr | if you run traceroute/path/whatever on 192.88.99.1 it should show the closest IPv6 router to you |
| 01:10.56 | Luke-Jr | which you can then configure your router to talk to for IPv6 |
| 01:11.09 | Luke-Jr | well, if it runs OpenWrt anyhow |
| 01:11.09 | JeffM2501 | it faster? |
| 01:11.20 | Luke-Jr | eh, maybe? =p |
| 01:11.41 | Luke-Jr | faster isn't the point |
| 01:11.52 | a_meteorite | maybe I'm a n00b at this, but what would you want with IPv6? |
| 01:11.58 | a_meteorite | except have two IPs? :) |
| 01:12.06 | Luke-Jr | two? lol |
| 01:12.11 | Luke-Jr | try a few thousand, at least |
| 01:12.33 | a_meteorite | so how would one go about connecting to that? |
| 01:12.43 | a_meteorite | actually, you should tell me tomorrow ;) |
| 01:12.51 | a_meteorite | sorta busy for the rest of the night |
| 01:12.53 | Luke-Jr | average 40ms added to pings for me for IPv6 |
| 01:12.59 | JeffM2501 | so it's slower? |
| 01:13.03 | Luke-Jr | a_meteorite: well, can you ping 192.88.99.1? |
| 01:13.16 | Luke-Jr | JeffM2501: depends on how close your nearest IPv6 router is |
| 01:13.19 | a_meteorite | Luke-Jr: yeah, hold on |
| 01:13.33 | Luke-Jr | JeffM2501: but you don't need NAT anymore |
| 01:13.40 | Luke-Jr | every device/computer gets a public IP address |
| 01:13.44 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 01:13.47 | Luke-Jr | ... |
| 01:13.50 | JeffM2501 | well then, don't want that |
| 01:13.54 | Luke-Jr | why not? |
| 01:14.00 | Luke-Jr | that's how the internet is supposed to be |
| 01:14.04 | JeffM2501 | nat == good inbound firewall protection |
| 01:14.08 | a_meteorite | Luke-Jr: I probably need IPv6, right? Win 2k Pro times out on that |
| 01:14.13 | Luke-Jr | NAT isn't meant to be a firewall and shouldn't be used as such |
| 01:14.14 | a_meteorite | and I'm at night school |
| 01:14.23 | JeffM2501 | it works as a good protection layer |
| 01:14.28 | JeffM2501 | due to how it works |
| 01:14.30 | Luke-Jr | a_meteorite: I know XP at least supports IPv6 if you run a command |
| 01:14.45 | Luke-Jr | JeffM2501: get a real firewall if you're worried |
| 01:14.52 | JeffM2501 | I have one |
| 01:14.57 | JeffM2501 | I just like having more then one layer |
| 01:14.57 | Luke-Jr | JeffM2501: actually, an OpenWrt router can probably do firewall too |
| 01:15.07 | Luke-Jr | NAT isn't a valid layer |
| 01:15.08 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 01:15.14 | Luke-Jr | it's an ugly hack to work around IPv4 bugs |
| 01:15.15 | JeffM2501 | it's not the same |
| 01:15.19 | JeffM2501 | but it works |
| 01:15.22 | JeffM2501 | and works well |
| 01:15.26 | JeffM2501 | also my modem is my router |
| 01:15.29 | Luke-Jr | firewalls are lame anyhow ;p |
| 01:15.39 | Luke-Jr | just don't run services you don't need |
| 01:16.08 | JeffM2501 | or what about services you do need but want to limit to your own network? |
| 01:17.00 | Luke-Jr | JeffM2501: ok, then use iptables =p |
| 01:17.13 | JeffM2501 | don't use linux |
| 01:17.14 | Luke-Jr | JeffM2501: or better yet, configure the service to only listen on the local network |
| 01:17.24 | JeffM2501 | got no ip tables |
| 01:17.30 | Luke-Jr | you don't have *only* a public address on IPv6 |
| 01:17.33 | Luke-Jr | you get |
| 01:17.37 | Luke-Jr | 1) Local Link address |
| 01:17.41 | Luke-Jr | 2) public address |
| 01:17.44 | Luke-Jr | 3) anonymous address |
| 01:17.55 | JeffM2501 | other then not having a nat what else does it buy you? |
| 01:18.51 | Luke-Jr | nerd factor, faster routing, access to more of the net, etc |
| 01:19.04 | JeffM2501 | yet your ping went up |
| 01:19.12 | JeffM2501 | what parts of the net can't I get to now? |
| 01:19.18 | pyr0 | i agree with JeffM2501, using NAT helps a tad. i run my modem into my router which nat and ddos protection control through. then a firewall to provide further protection. then another router, which is wireless for this system with a few different securities running for protection. then between the line from my 2nd router to my server theres another firewall to keep any wireless hackers out of it, then iptables on the server itself |
| 01:19.44 | Luke-Jr | JeffM2501: my ping went up 40ms |
| 01:19.55 | Luke-Jr | JeffM2501: ping time to the first IPv6 router for me is 65 ms |
| 01:19.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah that'd be prety bad in DDO |
| 01:20.04 | Luke-Jr | so ignoring that first hop, it'd be 15ms savings |
| 01:20.27 | Luke-Jr | the problem is that it has IPv4 to go over before it gets to IPv6 internet |
| 01:20.29 | JeffM2501 | so your total ping to a real world web server went down? |
| 01:20.32 | Luke-Jr | eg, no native IPv6 from ISP |
| 01:20.44 | Luke-Jr | all IPv6 traffic needs to go to the IPv6 router first |
| 01:20.56 | JeffM2501 | so realy it's just eWang stuff |
| 01:21.02 | JeffM2501 | I'm fine with my personal eWang |
| 01:21.39 | Luke-Jr | I like public addresses on everything |
| 01:21.45 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure you do |
| 01:22.06 | JeffM2501 | I have no need to run any public services from home |
| 01:22.31 | Luke-Jr | I have 3 servers |
| 01:22.36 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 01:22.43 | JeffM2501 | I just use colo machines |
| 01:22.48 | JeffM2501 | they work better and faster |
| 01:22.58 | Luke-Jr | I use both |
| 01:23.04 | JeffM2501 | well untill the FIOS hits, then maybe I'll run a webserver at home |
| 01:23.09 | Luke-Jr | heh |
| 01:23.12 | pyr0 | i have one, but its secured nicely and only allows ssh and ftp... but thats all to keep from losing the server to a colo place due to legal reasons |
| 01:23.40 | Luke-Jr | pyr0: huh? |
| 01:24.18 | pyr0 | one server. i would colocate it as JeffM2501 mentioned, but if someone came snooping and wanted me down for legal reasons, id lose the server |
| 01:24.24 | pyr0 | not something id like |
| 01:24.48 | CBG | o.O |
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| 01:51.51 | CBG | nick125_lappy: yeah, a lot have gone down with the mofo server. sorry. |
| 01:52.15 | CBG | we're working on restarting it - all it needs is a flick of a switch, but aplus really don't seem capable of that. :| |
| 01:52.25 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 01:52.40 | nick125_lappy | when I had my VPS server colocated at VR, it took those idiots 6 hours to reboot my server |
| 01:52.46 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 01:52.56 | CBG | yeah, I think we're about 6 hours now. |
| 01:53.03 | nick125_lappy | they pulled our APC access when they moved our server |
| 01:53.08 | nick125_lappy | anything I can do to help out? |
| 01:53.28 | CBG | No, we just need them to restart it... :| |
| 01:53.37 | nick125_lappy | maybe setup a temp server for everyone to play on? |
| 01:53.38 | CBG | We've rung 3 times now, I think. *sigh* |
| 01:54.00 | CBG | nick125_lappy: sure, if you like. :) |
| 01:54.04 | nick125_lappy | great customer service, eh? |
| 01:54.15 | CBG | Yeah. Super... |
| 01:54.16 | nick125_lappy | can someone put the maps on http or such? |
| 01:54.55 | CBG | I can probably get hold of them, give me a few mins. |
| 01:54.57 | a_meteorite | nick125_lappy: as for boxy war, that's pretty hard to get as I'm not at home |
| 01:55.08 | a_meteorite | and the svn repository is at that server |
| 01:55.22 | nick125_lappy | a_meteorite: is it dedicated or colo? |
| 01:55.25 | CBG | yeah, what map are you thinking of, nick125_lappy? |
| 01:55.27 | CBG | dedi. |
| 01:55.28 | a_meteorite | dedicated |
| 01:55.56 | nick125_lappy | CBG: boxy wars would be nice, but, I'll host anything |
| 01:56.20 | CBG | I don't think i can help with boxywar, but the passion map, maybe. |
| 01:56.40 | a_meteorite | ask td-linux for boxy war |
| 01:56.41 | a_meteorite | he has it |
| 01:56.45 | a_meteorite | but I don't think he's on now |
| 01:56.51 | CBG | he's not on IRC> |
| 01:57.24 | a_meteorite | if I could magically turn on my home computer I would :D |
| 01:57.29 | nick125_lappy | http://servers.aplus.net/servers_support.html |
| 01:58.02 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 01:58.12 | nick125_lappy | I guess a reboot is a complicated inquery? |
| 01:58.18 | nick125_lappy | *inquiry |
| 01:58.38 | a_meteorite | I guess so |
| 01:59.02 | orange | CBG: interestingly, cosmos was talking about aplus the other day... apparently they are about at the bottom for customer service |
| 01:59.06 | a_meteorite | they can do scripting, but they can't find the switch |
| 01:59.11 | CBG | orange: yes. they are. |
| 01:59.15 | nick125_lappy | orange: I could see why |
| 01:59.31 | CBG | orange: cosmos asked if anyone can recomend a host, I said we used aplus and they had been ok so far |
| 01:59.42 | a_meteorite | hehe, too late |
| 01:59.45 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 01:59.47 | CBG | he told me they had a bad rep, so I did some research. he's right. they suck by all acounts. |
| 01:59.59 | CBG | so I sugegsted to the group a night or two ago to change |
| 02:00.01 | orange | shame |
| 02:00.11 | a_meteorite | I'd do anything to get away from the FC3 they load up |
| 02:00.13 | a_meteorite | I'd do anything to get away from the FC3 they load up |
| 02:00.14 | a_meteorite | oh, sorry |
| 02:00.18 | CBG | the response was "they have been good to us, no nee for the hassle of changing" |
| 02:00.20 | a_meteorite | this CGI:IRC client is funky |
| 02:00.25 | CBG | and now this. :( |
| 02:00.39 | nick125_lappy | CBG: that always happens to me |
| 02:00.42 | nick125_lappy | "yeah, such and such is good" |
| 02:00.45 | nick125_lappy | 10 minutes later |
| 02:00.54 | CBG | nick125_lappy: the mofo ffa map and a conf file are at: http://cbg.sh.nu:5140/bz/ |
| 02:00.59 | a_meteorite | KABOOM! |
| 02:01.05 | nick125_lappy | "grr, such and such sucks! they aren't doing such and such! those lamea**es!" |
| 02:01.10 | CBG | if you use that conf, you need to change a lot of things. |
| 02:01.19 | nick125_lappy | speaking of lame a**es, I should call speakeasy in a while |
| 02:02.27 | nick125_lappy | banlist, admsg, publicaddy, password, port and public, that about it? |
| 02:02.50 | nick125_lappy | damnit, I can't type tonight |
| 02:03.03 | nick125_lappy | it took me 3 times to get the hostname right to my server :D |
| 02:03.05 | CBG | -public and -publicaddr and vital |
| 02:03.16 | CBG | and port, password, etc. |
| 02:03.20 | nick125_lappy | what would you suggest for public? |
| 02:03.30 | CBG | everything is in that conf, but you also need to take stuff out |
| 02:03.36 | CBG | and change everything to suit you. |
| 02:04.01 | CBG | -public "Temporary Planet-MoFo FFA" ? |
| 02:04.06 | nick125_lappy | okay.. |
| 02:04.08 | a_meteorite | ~ping bzfx.net |
| 02:04.09 | ibot | pong bzfx.net |
| 02:04.13 | a_meteorite | :( |
| 02:04.22 | nick125_lappy | --- bzfx.net ping statistics --- |
| 02:04.22 | nick125_lappy | 2 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 1008ms |
| 02:04.51 | spldart | Man! Ultraviolet kinda SUCKED! :~( |
| 02:04.53 | a_meteorite | *sigh* |
| 02:05.02 | a_meteorite | aplus says it's hanging on boot |
| 02:05.10 | nick125_lappy | whats the vocaliser plugin for? |
| 02:05.14 | nick125_lappy | a_meteorite: oh, thats great |
| 02:05.17 | nick125_lappy | what errors? |
| 02:05.18 | CBG | http://www.webmaster-talk.com/web-hosting-forum/57274-aplus-net-want-me-pay.html is a very recent account of how aplus suck. this guy seems to be in a similar position to us. :/ |
| 02:05.21 | a_meteorite | they don't say |
| 02:05.26 | a_meteorite | at least I haven't heard yet |
| 02:05.40 | a_meteorite | I don't own the server, I'm getting info from someone else ;) |
| 02:05.45 | CBG | nick125_lappy: take out all the plugin stuff, i doubt you have any installed... |
| 02:06.25 | a_meteorite | I just think they're lying :) |
| 02:06.28 | nick125_lappy | alright, that'll work |
| 02:06.30 | nick125_lappy | a_meteorite: probably |
| 02:06.34 | nick125_lappy | i hate shoddy webhosts |
| 02:06.48 | CBG | aplus is the shoddiest of them all. |
| 02:06.58 | nick125_lappy | no, I think I've seen worse.. |
| 02:07.10 | a_meteorite | eek |
| 02:07.16 | nick125_lappy | I heard a story where a guy had a box coloed at FDC, and, when he got it back, half the parts were missing |
| 02:07.22 | a_meteorite | that's gotta be pretty bad |
| 02:07.23 | a_meteorite | !!! |
| 02:07.28 | a_meteorite | yeah, that's bad ;) |
| 02:07.33 | CBG | :o |
| 02:07.38 | CBG | O.O |
| 02:07.54 | a_meteorite | "we.. uh.. had to borrow your parts for another server" |
| 02:08.07 | nick125_lappy | and they aren't responsible for missing parts either |
| 02:08.19 | a_meteorite | how nice of them |
| 02:08.42 | nick125_lappy | then, my old colo provider, they charged $65 for 95% cogent b/w |
| 02:08.47 | nick125_lappy | $65/mbit |
| 02:09.11 | nick125_lappy | I think I might've found 2 sites where I got alternet |
| 02:18.26 | nick125_lappy | wewt |
| 02:18.30 | nick125_lappy | its up |
| 02:19.23 | nick125_lappy | 216.218.209.195:4200 |
| 02:22.22 | a_meteorite | nick125_lappy: you probably made 2 dozen people happy :) |
| 02:22.41 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 02:22.46 | a_meteorite | just as I say that the server comes back |
| 02:22.58 | a_meteorite | or wait |
| 02:23.00 | a_meteorite | hold on |
| 02:23.11 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 02:23.49 | nick125_lappy | it pings |
| 02:23.52 | a_meteorite | lol, I can't ping it |
| 02:24.00 | a_meteorite | hah, probably the school firewall |
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| 02:24.12 | nick125_lappy | --- bzfx.net ping statistics --- |
| 02:24.12 | nick125_lappy | 11 packets transmitted, 11 received, 0% packet loss, time 10002ms |
| 02:24.12 | nick125_lappy | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 105.612/106.597/107.498/0.729 ms |
| 02:24.12 | a_meteorite | anyways, my bot came back in another channel |
| 02:24.16 | a_meteorite | so it must be fine |
| 02:26.09 | nick125_lappy | hopefully |
| 02:26.20 | a_meteorite | yes, one bzfs server is back |
| 02:26.26 | a_meteorite | *wipes brow* |
| 02:26.39 | nick125_lappy | maybe its time to switch hosting providers? |
| 02:26.43 | a_meteorite | hehe, yeah |
| 02:26.45 | CBG | Yeah, it is. |
| 02:26.52 | nick125_lappy | too bad I'm just VPS :( |
| 02:26.54 | a_meteorite | except for the big setup fee |
| 02:26.59 | a_meteorite | that's the worst part |
| 02:27.09 | CBG | We're looking into it already. Since about 30 mins after they didn't restart it the first time... |
| 02:27.17 | CBG | Not everyone has a setup fee.... |
| 02:27.25 | a_meteorite | a lot of the good ones do |
| 02:27.31 | nick125_lappy | though, if you did think a VPS would work, I would be willing to work with you :) |
| 02:28.09 | nick125_lappy | CBG: the first time? |
| 02:28.22 | CBG | we phoned 3 times.... |
| 02:28.33 | nick125_lappy | damn |
| 02:28.47 | CBG | they said each time, "It'll take 20 mins" or whatever... but we had to call back each time... |
| 02:28.49 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 02:29.00 | nick125_lappy | I just hate it when they do that |
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| 02:31.27 | nick125_lappy | CBG: did you tell them the second and third time that they told you 20 minutes the *last* time? |
| 02:31.40 | CBG | wasn't me ringing. |
| 02:31.53 | nick125_lappy | oh, well, whoever called, did they tell them? |
| 02:32.09 | CBG | A-Delusion was doing the phoning... |
| 02:32.15 | CBG | i'm off to bed. gnight |
| 02:32.19 | nick125_lappy | night |
| 02:35.45 | nick125_lappy | this is an interesting thread on WHT talking about the extreme increase in amount of complaints in webhostig |
| 02:35.49 | nick125_lappy | *hosting |
| 02:36.45 | a_meteorite | probably all the companies overselling |
| 02:36.50 | nick125_lappy | bingo |
| 02:37.20 | nick125_lappy | and, the good hosts that don't oversell are being forced to oversell to compete |
| 02:37.49 | nick125_lappy | Joeblow sees "20GB of storage and 1TB of transfer for $10 a month!" and goes over to that, not knowing its oversold to hell and back |
| 02:38.22 | nick125_lappy | kinda sad if you ask me |
| 02:39.00 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 02:39.00 | nick125_lappy | I've gotten people coming and asking why can such and such host offer tons of resources for half the cost, then, I have to explain that we don't oversell, blah blah blah |
| 02:39.30 | bryjen | the "old news" link at the bottom of the page at www.bzflag.org is broken |
| 02:39.49 | bryjen | and i'm not finding any hint that the missing file ever existed :/ |
| 02:41.32 | menotume | hmmm |
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| 02:44.26 | nick125_lappy | ugh, I need to unmerge bzflag one of these days...with it, I don't get any work done :/ |
| 02:45.02 | zee742 | yeah, bzflag is known to hinder productivity! |
| 02:45.48 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
| 02:49.50 | nick125_lappy | recompiled it, still segfaults |
| 02:49.50 | nick125_lappy | ugh |
| 02:59.25 | nick125_lappy | hopefully some of the crappy hosts go out of business...you know, all the kids have to go back to school |
| 03:01.20 | nick125_lappy | hahahahahaha http://servers.aplus.net/standardamd.html < "PCIe video card" |
| 03:01.25 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 03:01.33 | a_meteorite | why would you want that in a server? :o |
| 03:01.38 | nick125_lappy | thats the point |
| 03:02.00 | a_meteorite | I know :P |
| 03:02.12 | a_meteorite | I guess it makes their servers "better and faster" |
| 03:07.01 | nick125_lappy | Should I call and ask what kind of video card? :P |
| 03:07.35 | a_meteorite | LOL! |
| 03:07.47 | nick125_lappy | and if I can get a upgrade |
| 03:08.05 | a_meteorite | "can I play video games with remote desktop" |
| 03:08.10 | a_meteorite | "uhhh... sure!" |
| 03:08.25 | nick125_lappy | "will you guys paint the server blue for me" |
| 03:08.28 | nick125_lappy | "sure! no problem" |
| 03:08.48 | nick125_lappy | anything to make a sale |
| 03:08.49 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 03:08.49 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 03:08.59 | a_meteorite | "and a window with lighted fans" |
| 03:09.45 | nick125_lappy | maybe they play games on the server when you aren't looking |
| 03:10.03 | a_meteorite | that would explain the lag spikes |
| 03:10.11 | nick125_lappy | maybe thats why they didn't reboot the server in a timely manner |
| 03:10.15 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 03:10.24 | a_meteorite | too busy playing unreal with the other techs :D |
| 03:10.44 | nick125_lappy | or bzflag.... |
| 03:10.49 | a_meteorite | O_o |
| 03:11.27 | nick125_lappy | hrm.. |
| 03:13.03 | nick125_lappy | I bet the reason for the lag spikes is that they QoS their games up to full priority while leaving everything else below that |
| 03:13.37 | a_meteorite | that makes perfect sense |
| 03:16.54 | a_meteorite | got to get going |
| 03:16.56 | a_meteorite | cya |
| 03:17.06 | nick125_lappy | cya |
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| 05:13.16 | JeffM2501 | so what ever happend to the mofo/OL tourny? |
| 05:13.45 | Luke-Jr | upgrade didn't help bzflag any, oh well |
| 05:13.55 | Luke-Jr | but I did take the opportunity to try Xgl =p |
| 05:13.58 | nick125_lappy | JeffM2501: hm? |
| 05:14.01 | nick125_lappy | Luke-Jr: lol |
| 05:14.40 | JeffM2501 | I don't think you were involved in it nick125_lappy |
| 05:15.22 | nick125_lappy | bzfx? |
| 05:15.24 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 05:16.44 | Luke-Jr | and X-Chat got some sucky font |
| 05:16.52 | Luke-Jr | so I took that opportunity to give it the Console font |
| 05:16.58 | nick125_lappy | you should be using irssi anyways |
| 05:17.09 | Luke-Jr | irssi doesn't handle 50 channels well |
| 05:17.19 | nick125_lappy | I don't think xchat would either |
| 05:17.31 | Luke-Jr | it lets me tab them on the right |
| 05:17.45 | nick125_lappy | I've done 30 channels *easy* :) |
| 05:19.28 | Luke-Jr | LKML has too much traffic |
| 05:19.36 | Luke-Jr | I really should unsubscribe |
| 05:19.47 | Luke-Jr | wish I could do a "email me replies in this thread" thing |
| 05:19.58 | nick125_lappy | yeah, that would be nice |
| 05:20.37 | Luke-Jr | I have over 35,000 new messages in LKML :x |
| 05:20.42 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 05:20.48 | nick125_lappy | I think I only got 500 from g-d |
| 05:20.51 | nick125_lappy | (gentoo-dev) |
| 05:20.59 | Luke-Jr | o god |
| 05:21.06 | Luke-Jr | I don't want to know how many I have in Gentoo MLs |
| 05:21.09 | Luke-Jr | I haven't checked those in ages |
| 05:21.11 | nick125_lappy | hahaa |
| 05:21.29 | Luke-Jr | at least -core was managable |
| 05:21.33 | Luke-Jr | -dev is just insane tho |
| 05:22.17 | Luke-Jr | BTW, know a good Qt-based RSS aggregator? =p |
| 05:22.35 | Luke-Jr | one that can keep infinite archives and not eat a ton of RAM and CPU like Akregator? |
| 05:23.49 | nick125_lappy | nothing that I know of |
| 05:24.05 | Luke-Jr | RSS is such a sucky idea :x |
| 05:25.14 | purple_cow | what? |
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| 05:25.31 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, can't be more then 15 |
| 05:26.29 | Luke-Jr | pre-2.0 RSS anyway |
| 05:26.38 | Luke-Jr | I hear someone got smart and made 2.0 a push protocol |
| 05:27.52 | purple_cow | yeah, but pub/sub is implemented by about 2 pieces of software |
| 05:27.55 | purple_cow | and CIA is one of them :P |
| 05:28.28 | Luke-Jr | I know |
| 05:28.36 | Luke-Jr | but RSS 2.0 is too late anyway |
| 05:28.47 | purple_cow | but hadling polling for small updates (a la RSS) is something that web servers are really good at |
| 05:28.51 | Luke-Jr | there's already a pub-sub protocol |
| 05:29.27 | Luke-Jr | purple_cow: is that why even the most expecting-high-traffic webservers restrict polls to once an hour? |
| 05:32.03 | purple_cow | the traffic that occurs on a poll for something that hasn't been updated is just a few bytes, dude |
| 05:32.05 | purple_cow | stop freaking out |
| 05:35.26 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (LocalPlayer.cxx LocalPlayer.h Player.cxx Player.h): move reload timer into base player class, so everyone can get to it |
| 05:36.19 | purple_cow | :) |
| 05:36.38 | JeffM2501 | congrats |
| 05:37.09 | JeffM2501 | how close do you work to chipx or scany? |
| 05:37.37 | purple_cow | chip's in the same group (and actually assigned as my mentor) |
| 05:37.43 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 05:38.10 | purple_cow | scanlime's in a different group, but the same building |
| 05:39.49 | JeffM2501 | nice place to work? |
| 05:40.08 | purple_cow | great so far |
| 05:40.26 | JeffM2501 | wait till ya get your first quake :) |
| 05:40.33 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 05:40.57 | purple_cow | i've heard that driving during one is kind of like hitting a patch of ice |
| 05:41.00 | JeffM2501 | tomorow I have to set up DTRs desk |
| 05:41.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's wiered |
| 05:41.14 | JeffM2501 | you think you are stering when your not |
| 05:41.32 | JeffM2501 | I went back to sleep after the last big one |
| 05:41.48 | purple_cow | i'm super happy with my office setup :) |
| 05:41.53 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 05:42.03 | JeffM2501 | what kinda systems/setup they give ya? |
| 05:42.45 | purple_cow | P4/3G desktop workstation, and a nice dual xeon build machine |
| 05:42.53 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 05:43.03 | purple_cow | with two of the new super-bright 20" LCDs :) |
| 05:43.19 | JeffM2501 | only way to go |
| 05:43.44 | JeffM2501 | tho I kinda wish for a 24 at work |
| 05:43.48 | JeffM2501 | you get used to widescreen |
| 05:43.55 | purple_cow | i feel so superior to the people who have one new 20" and one old 20" |
| 05:44.37 | purple_cow | oh, also, there's free food |
| 05:44.48 | JeffM2501 | oooo free food |
| 05:44.54 | JeffM2501 | that is nice |
| 05:44.58 | JeffM2501 | of what quality? |
| 05:45.05 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (LocalPlayer.cxx LocalPlayer.h Player.cxx Player.h): move force reload into base player class so jamtime gets set |
| 05:45.59 | purple_cow | fruit/drinks/snacks every day, bagels and muffins twice a week, and catered lunches every wednesday |
| 05:46.07 | JeffM2501 | cool |
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| 05:46.28 | purple_cow | i'm very happy there so far |
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| 05:47.05 | nick125_lappy | where is this again? |
| 05:47.23 | purple_cow | http://www.vmware.com/ |
| 05:47.38 | nick125_lappy | ooo |
| 05:47.39 | purple_cow | wait, "again" ? |
| 05:47.58 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 05:48.49 | wegstar | so bzflag uses sdl to handle the mouse and the keyboard, and also as a cross platform thingy to hold the opengl surface.. right? |
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| 05:50.07 | JeffM2501 | wegstar, for linux and mac, yes |
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| 05:50.28 | wegstar | ok.. how does it manage to display text..? |
| 05:50.41 | JeffM2501 | sdl dosn't do that |
| 05:50.47 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.51 | wegstar | use SDL to do the font, then blitting it onto the opengl surface? |
| 05:50.53 | JeffM2501 | font manager |
| 05:50.53 | wegstar | oh |
| 05:51.00 | JeffM2501 | there is no blit |
| 05:51.09 | JeffM2501 | the letters are loaded from a texture |
| 05:51.10 | JeffM2501 | scaled |
| 05:51.17 | JeffM2501 | and drawn as textured quads in openGL |
| 05:51.20 | JeffM2501 | in screen space |
| 05:51.25 | wegstar | o |
| 05:51.38 | JeffM2501 | SDL it self does no drawing |
| 05:51.51 | wegstar | hmmm |
| 05:51.53 | JeffM2501 | when doing openGL you can't realy mix SDL drawing on a GL surface |
| 05:52.06 | JeffM2501 | not on all OSs anyway |
| 05:52.25 | wegstar | ok |
| 05:52.29 | JeffM2501 | every pixel you see in bz is made by openGL |
| 05:53.42 | JeffM2501 | tho the font manager bz uses is kinda old |
| 05:53.44 | JeffM2501 | I have a new one |
| 05:53.47 | JeffM2501 | it's way cooler :) |
| 05:54.18 | wegstar | :) |
| 05:55.19 | purple_cow | doing fonts well in opengl is tricky |
| 05:55.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:55.33 | purple_cow | especially if you want unicode |
| 05:55.36 | JeffM2501 | the bz way used now works "ok" on most cards |
| 05:55.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah cept no unicode |
| 05:55.49 | JeffM2501 | new one supports it |
| 05:55.50 | wegstar | hmm |
| 05:56.00 | JeffM2501 | asuming someone makes a unicode interface to it |
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| 05:56.23 | purple_cow | how efficient is it at unicode? ;) |
| 05:56.29 | JeffM2501 | not very |
| 05:56.46 | purple_cow | don't wanna use a whole texture for a single glyph |
| 05:56.53 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't |
| 05:57.02 | JeffM2501 | it has a fixed texture size and builds em up |
| 05:57.10 | JeffM2501 | it's using FTGL for all that |
| 05:57.18 | JeffM2501 | it's decent performance |
| 05:57.23 | JeffM2501 | just as fast as what we have now |
| 05:57.47 | JeffM2501 | on load I have it gen and cache out all the normal ascii glyphs |
| 05:57.59 | JeffM2501 | you could have it cache out the common local ones as well |
| 05:58.15 | JeffM2501 | but the more languages and fonts you use in one session the more texture cache's it's gonna load up |
| 05:58.19 | JeffM2501 | so it'll get slower |
| 05:58.38 | purple_cow | can it do ligatures for scripts like arabic or thai? ;) |
| 05:58.41 | JeffM2501 | and I didn't say it was better, jsut cooler :) |
| 05:58.45 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 05:58.46 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 05:58.49 | JeffM2501 | never tested all that |
| 05:59.00 | JeffM2501 | just know that ftgl and freetype 2 support it |
| 05:59.07 | JeffM2501 | I never exposed it cus I didn't need it |
| 05:59.13 | purple_cow | i've heard that thai is ridiculously hard to do in software |
| 05:59.17 | wegstar | hmm... so bzflag reads the fmt files to find the location of a paticular letter and pulls it from the corresponding png..? |
| 05:59.33 | JeffM2501 | I just didn't want to have to render up font images anymore :) |
| 05:59.35 | purple_cow | since you can't tell on a glyph-by-glyph basis where words begin and end |
| 05:59.41 | JeffM2501 | wegstar, yes |
| 05:59.47 | JeffM2501 | after it figures out what size to use |
| 06:02.08 | wegstar | the units inthe fmt files are in pixels.. right? |
| 06:02.09 | brlcad | sweet.. food |
| 06:02.18 | JeffM2501 | at least it's better then the old font system, we we couldn't even make new fonts :) |
| 06:02.20 | brlcad | where can I send a resume? :) |
| 06:02.23 | JeffM2501 | wegstar, I think so yeah |
| 06:02.43 | JeffM2501 | wegstar, are you trying to make a new font? |
| 06:02.47 | purple_cow | brlcad: to me is fine ;) |
| 06:04.07 | wegstar | JeffM2501: I'm following an SDL+OpenGL sources for the Nehe tutorials... and I want to print the fps on the screen ;) |
| 06:04.15 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 06:04.24 | JeffM2501 | probalby can't with just those 2 |
| 06:04.42 | JeffM2501 | IIRC one of his later tutorials has you use gluText |
| 06:05.04 | purple_cow | gluText is probably the easiest |
| 06:05.04 | wegstar | gluText.. hmm |
| 06:05.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 06:05.30 | purple_cow | and if you don't need speed or memory efficiency, it's fine |
| 06:05.32 | JeffM2501 | it's functional just not fast |
| 06:05.43 | wegstar | ok |
| 06:05.49 | purple_cow | actually, it's probably fine on memory |
| 06:05.55 | JeffM2501 | cus bz's font system is also tied into it's texture system |
| 06:06.01 | JeffM2501 | and it's state system |
| 06:08.59 | wegstar | can't find gluText in any gl header.. |
| 06:09.30 | JeffM2501 | one of the tutorials is "drawing text" |
| 06:09.31 | JeffM2501 | just find it |
| 06:09.35 | wegstar | ok |
| 06:09.38 | JeffM2501 | it'll tell you what to do |
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| 14:25.19 | Mr_Molez | uhh anyone know the sed command to replace a word in loads of files? |
| 14:29.23 | Mr_Molez | i got it :P |
| 14:30.58 | spldart | :) |
| 14:31.12 | spldart | I tried to google it too :) |
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| 14:37.58 | spldart | Is there an official, or at least semi official, latest stable bzflag.deb version that you guys supply for download... Just curious |
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| 14:51.27 | spldart | ah! finally found it... NM |
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| 14:56.50 | ToughShooter | Hello JeffM2501 |
| 14:57.21 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 14:58.16 | ToughShooter | Something is wrong with AutoHunt.cxx |
| 14:58.35 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 14:58.36 | ToughShooter | I think it was you that caused it |
| 14:58.41 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 14:58.57 | JeffM2501 | does not suprise me |
| 14:59.20 | JeffM2501 | what broke" |
| 14:59.21 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 14:59.29 | ToughShooter | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/126487 |
| 15:00.12 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't like to get it from the base class? |
| 15:02.07 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.20 | ToughShooter | The Player:: is not needed I think |
| 15:02.30 | ToughShooter | and the whitespace is wrong |
| 15:03.50 | trepan | while you're there ... Aperant ? |
| 15:04.07 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah I was dumb |
| 15:04.08 | JeffM2501 | trepan, yeah yeah yeah |
| 15:04.38 | JeffM2501 | supid copy and paste |
| 15:05.24 | JeffM2501 | correct is "Apparent" right? |
| 15:05.36 | JeffM2501 | at least that's what word tells me |
| 15:07.01 | ToughShooter | word? huh? |
| 15:07.05 | JeffM2501 | MS word |
| 15:07.07 | JeffM2501 | spell checker |
| 15:07.08 | ToughShooter | Eeek |
| 15:07.10 | trepan | yup, unless you wanted aberrant |
| 15:07.15 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 15:07.19 | JeffM2501 | they both would work :) |
| 15:07.36 | ToughShooter | Should I commit or do you? |
| 15:07.56 | JeffM2501 | I just sent one one |
| 15:07.58 | JeffM2501 | in |
| 15:08.03 | JeffM2501 | I had a bad copy and paste |
| 15:08.05 | JeffM2501 | sorry bout that |
| 15:08.15 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.h: class names don't go on method defs ( I'm dumb ) |
| 15:08.39 | ToughShooter | Did you change the ws, too? |
| 15:08.41 | trepan | gcc used to walk over that one (I should know) |
| 15:08.42 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/GUIOptionsMenu.cxx: silly english language |
| 15:08.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 15:08.57 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/GUIOptionsMenu.cxx: silly enlish language |
| 15:09.15 | ToughShooter | The gcc I use pretty much likes to error |
| 15:09.18 | JeffM2501 | tho if I always fixed my WS, tim woudl have nothing to commit :) |
| 15:09.46 | ToughShooter | If something is not correct initialized for example others have no prob with it but I do |
| 15:09.49 | trepan | does he anyways? |
| 15:10.07 | JeffM2501 | he will have a ws binge a couple times a year |
| 15:10.22 | ToughShooter | I wonder what the correct WS settings for Xcode are :/ |
| 15:10.35 | ToughShooter | Right now I copy the WS from other people and paste it |
| 15:11.06 | JeffM2501 | see it's all part of my subtle plan to get everyone to use my ws conventions :) |
| 15:11.40 | ToughShooter | Heh, then I should put BSD-style if-constructs everywhere |
| 15:12.33 | CBG | JeffM2501: remember my bzbb account got wiped a while back, so now lots of posts are by "Guest" and not me? |
| 15:12.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 15:12.45 | CBG | here is one I would like to "reclaim", so to speak: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3798 |
| 15:13.00 | CBG | Is that possible? |
| 15:13.23 | JeffM2501 | it's one post, not a thread, make a new post in the thread, and I'll just copy the data. |
| 15:13.34 | JeffM2501 | sorry new thread in the fourm and I'll copy it |
| 15:14.07 | CBG | ok, thanks |
| 15:14.24 | JeffM2501 | just call it whatever, I can change the topic and contents |
| 15:14.28 | JeffM2501 | I just can't make a new post as you |
| 15:14.30 | CBG | ok, done |
| 15:14.42 | SportChick | ~delurk deprecated |
| 15:14.43 | ibot | ACTION drags deprecated out of the shadows and into the spotlight and then yells "SPEAK!!" |
| 15:14.54 | SportChick | good morning, JeffM2501 & CBG |
| 15:15.06 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 15:15.16 | CBG | gmorn, SportChick |
| 15:15.29 | JeffM2501 | there ya go CBG |
| 15:16.06 | CBG | Thanks :) |
| 15:19.31 | ToughShooter | ouch |
| 15:19.33 | CBG | ouch. |
| 15:19.53 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Which style? |
| 15:20.03 | ToughShooter | That bz one or BSD? |
| 15:20.33 | brlcad | whatever's not consistent |
| 15:22.53 | ToughShooter | heh |
| 15:39.46 | JeffM2501 | see soon I'll have dtr used to bsd... then get a couple more.... |
| 15:39.51 | JeffM2501 | it's all part of the plan |
| 15:46.40 | spldart | BSD? :-( |
| 15:49.24 | JeffM2501 | yes the plan is to ditch all other OS support and just do BSD |
| 15:49.34 | spldart | NOT! |
| 15:49.37 | JeffM2501 | we'll ship an iso with bsd and the game, as a boot CD |
| 15:49.43 | JeffM2501 | it'll make support a lot easyer |
| 15:49.45 | spldart | heh |
| 15:49.55 | JeffM2501 | and cut down on the kiddy DSL servers |
| 15:51.42 | spldart | This makes baby jesus cry... |
| 15:52.28 | JeffM2501 | all babys cry |
| 15:52.31 | JeffM2501 | it's part of life |
| 15:52.33 | JeffM2501 | he got over it |
| 15:52.44 | JeffM2501 | and look.. went on to do great things |
| 15:52.49 | spldart | BSD is teh devil |
| 15:52.59 | spldart | teh baby devil |
| 15:53.00 | spldart | hehe |
| 15:53.39 | spldart | I figure your kidding.... But I did try bsd a couple months ago... didn't like it very much :-/ |
| 15:54.41 | JeffM2501 | well the us guberment says games are evil |
| 15:54.47 | Luke-Jr | so use GNU/BSD =p |
| 15:54.50 | JeffM2501 | so we need to label it as such |
| 15:55.26 | JeffM2501 | and get our ESRB |
| 15:55.27 | spldart | I can't argue with that logic... us gubers are evil and I hate us gubs |
| 15:55.34 | Luke-Jr | stupid satanist masons |
| 15:56.05 | spldart | that masons part? |
| 15:56.05 | JeffM2501 | spldart, bsd refers to a style of coding |
| 15:56.09 | JeffM2501 | the one I'm used to |
| 15:56.12 | spldart | oh.... |
| 15:56.18 | JeffM2501 | bz ues more of a K&R style |
| 15:56.25 | JeffM2501 | so my commits tend to not mesh |
| 15:56.42 | Luke-Jr | "I have a message for the people of Iraq: go home and die" -Bush |
| 15:56.45 | JeffM2501 | I also can't set my tabs to what bz wants due to work |
| 15:56.51 | JeffM2501 | Luke-Jr, not the place man |
| 15:56.59 | Luke-Jr | =p |
| 15:57.01 | spldart | no daz |
| 15:57.24 | Luke-Jr | JeffM2501: there's no wrong place for Bush bashing |
| 15:57.31 | JeffM2501 | yes there are |
| 15:57.38 | JeffM2501 | this is not a political channel |
| 15:57.41 | JeffM2501 | it is about a game |
| 15:57.43 | spldart | Yeah.. You can do it anywhere you can do Clinton bashing |
| 15:57.48 | JeffM2501 | and we do try to keep it on topic |
| 15:57.58 | Luke-Jr | spldart: Clinton was so bad it's not even funny |
| 15:58.40 | JeffM2501 | spldart, my joke is now that DTR's geting a job here, he'll be using the same style I will, so maybe he'll get used to :) |
| 15:59.00 | spldart | heh... |
| 15:59.16 | spldart | BTW: Most in my shop yesterday had a VERY bad day |
| 15:59.39 | spldart | one guy even got fired.. twas an ugly, cussing, knocking down computers and boxes kinda mess |
| 15:59.47 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 15:59.48 | spldart | 3500$ in damages |
| 16:00.31 | cosmos | they were brawling ? |
| 16:00.33 | JeffM2501 | and oddly enough dtr may even have more time to work on bz after the job, as a goodly part of his time will just be montoring automated tests |
| 16:01.22 | spldart | Ah.. indent style differences? |
| 16:01.30 | spldart | I remember that being discussed before |
| 16:01.31 | JeffM2501 | indent, whitespace, and newline |
| 16:01.34 | JeffM2501 | if () |
| 16:01.35 | JeffM2501 | P |
| 16:01.37 | JeffM2501 | { |
| 16:01.42 | JeffM2501 | instead of if (){ |
| 16:01.53 | spldart | hehe.. i remember that coming up a couple few times actually |
| 16:01.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:02.02 | JeffM2501 | it's allways cus of me :) |
| 16:02.18 | JeffM2501 | for some reason I'm non conformant |
| 16:02.36 | cosmos | heh. last year we had a developer hit a contractor with a baseball bat over code indenting. man i missed that one, he walked right behind him and slugged him in the back of the head |
| 16:02.41 | spldart | cosmos... nobody hit another body... cussing and yelling then one guy took out rage on: plasma set, computer monitors, one cpu, some boxes then slammed the door on the way out |
| 16:02.53 | cosmos | spldart: send him the bill |
| 16:03.54 | spldart | He only broke my keyboard and one of my cables got yanked so hard it went faulty... but others lost ALOT more |
| 16:04.13 | cosmos | thats one pissed off dude |
| 16:04.19 | spldart | yep |
| 16:04.25 | JeffM2501 | that's cop time |
| 16:04.37 | spldart | yep |
| 16:04.39 | cosmos | kind of like me, my cell phone started receiving odd calls last week. all hours of the day from non callable numbers |
| 16:04.56 | cosmos | they are shouting in arabic, allawah akbar and frantically yelling |
| 16:05.14 | cosmos | leaving voicemails etc |
| 16:06.01 | spldart | How did that get fixed? or did it |
| 16:06.23 | cosmos | still going on it woke me up just now |
| 16:06.33 | spldart | geez :( |
| 16:07.18 | Luke-Jr | JeffM2501: { should never be on the same line as if/for/while |
| 16:07.48 | Luke-Jr | because diff is dumb and work with lines |
| 16:07.52 | JeffM2501 | Luke-Jr, it is in L&R style |
| 16:07.58 | JeffM2501 | K&R |
| 16:08.02 | JeffM2501 | they are both valid styles |
| 16:08.07 | JeffM2501 | bz just piked that one |
| 16:08.15 | JeffM2501 | I perfre BSD style with it on it's own lines |
| 16:08.19 | JeffM2501 | and we do difs just fine |
| 16:08.49 | Luke-Jr | when an if (x) y; becomes if(x) { y; z; }, you'll get a poor diff |
| 16:09.16 | JeffM2501 | for us there would be a new line before y; and z; |
| 16:09.23 | JeffM2501 | you don't put the entire thing on one line |
| 16:09.26 | Luke-Jr | of course not |
| 16:09.33 | Luke-Jr | but your "if (x)" line will be changed |
| 16:09.47 | JeffM2501 | and we've been doing difs in it since the 90's |
| 16:10.01 | JeffM2501 | so ether that is a rare case, or it just works |
| 16:10.11 | Luke-Jr | doesn't matter if there's few conflicts in practise =p |
| 16:10.50 | spldart | must.. hold.. pun.. |
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| 16:22.51 | CBG | Uh, I have an email notifying me about a new pm on bzbb, but there is no new pm... :/ |
| 16:23.15 | Mr_Molez | its tricking you :P |
| 16:23.24 | CBG | :( the phantom pm :o |
| 16:27.52 | JeffM2501 | the user could have unsent it before you read it |
| 16:28.05 | JeffM2501 | it woudl hang out in there outbox untill you read it |
| 16:28.29 | JeffM2501 | if you delete it from your outbox, it takes out of the inbox of the user it was sent to |
| 16:30.26 | CBG | o.O |
| 16:30.44 | JeffM2501 | check your outbox |
| 16:30.47 | JeffM2501 | it have anything in it? |
| 16:31.21 | CBG | why would it be in MY outbox? :/ |
| 16:31.23 | CBG | (its not) |
| 16:31.36 | JeffM2501 | no no |
| 16:31.42 | JeffM2501 | i"m just showing an example |
| 16:31.49 | JeffM2501 | does your outbox have anthing in it? |
| 16:31.52 | CBG | no |
| 16:31.56 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 16:32.07 | CBG | but I understand. |
| 16:32.09 | JeffM2501 | well if it did it would have PMs you sent but had not been read |
| 16:32.10 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 16:32.21 | CBG | And sadly the email doesn't say anything about the pm... :( |
| 16:33.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah they don't |
| 16:33.38 | CBG | probably for exactly that reason |
| 16:43.55 | JeffM2501 | well that and the limited feature set of phpbb |
| 16:44.06 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure a better froum would just email you all of your PMs |
| 16:44.31 | brlcad | JeffM2501: somehow I highly doubt dtremenak's opinion on indentation will change ;) |
| 16:44.47 | JeffM2501 | I can dream can't I? |
| 16:44.59 | brlcad | even if he's also just more about being consistent too |
| 16:45.10 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 16:45.19 | JeffM2501 | he is beter suited to swap back and forth then I |
| 16:45.51 | JeffM2501 | and maybe he'll find a way to set per project tabs in VC, then I can do it too |
| 16:46.01 | JeffM2501 | what do you swap to? |
| 16:46.09 | brlcad | between the same two |
| 16:46.13 | brlcad | bsd and k&r style |
| 16:46.28 | JeffM2501 | so realy if we changed to bsd it's be easyer for you as well ;) |
| 16:46.36 | JeffM2501 | ahh the plan comes together |
| 16:46.55 | brlcad | it's just not my preferred for efficiency reasons |
| 16:47.06 | brlcad | fitting more code on the display is important to me :) |
| 16:47.15 | JeffM2501 | your not helping the plan |
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| 16:47.50 | brlcad | you in a bikini? thank god! |
| 16:48.01 | JeffM2501 | naw, they chaif |
| 16:48.06 | JeffM2501 | so I it was to be some proxys |
| 16:48.14 | brlcad | heh |
| 16:48.22 | JeffM2501 | called one of those "escort agencys" |
| 16:48.25 | JeffM2501 | oh well |
| 16:48.44 | brlcad | yeah, but does she code? :) |
| 16:49.05 | JeffM2501 | I was gonna pay extra |
| 16:49.57 | JeffM2501 | was a whole group of em |
| 16:50.10 | JeffM2501 | 'Oh please brlcad.. inspect our code.. inspect it!" |
| 16:50.51 | cosmos | no happy endings for brlcad |
| 16:51.08 | JeffM2501 | well only ones that end in a } or ; |
| 16:51.50 | JeffM2501 | mostly I'm just hoping that since he'll use VC more he'll find a way to do per project settings |
| 16:52.06 | JeffM2501 | there may even be an addin to have it set the tabs from the emacs info at the end of the files |
| 16:52.12 | JeffM2501 | or maybe he can write one. |
| 16:52.25 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it's come up before in the VC world |
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| 17:00.35 | JBdiGriz | VC vs. Xcode, I can't wait to hear the commentary. |
| 17:00.49 | JeffM2501 | Xcode is kinda cool |
| 17:01.10 | JeffM2501 | I just wish I could see all the files listed in it for BZ |
| 17:02.34 | JeffM2501 | hmm so if Tim is cool with swaping to svn, wonder if he's ok with changing to scons too :) |
| 17:05.10 | JBdiGriz | I would wait until it's a bit more proven. Have you used scons for any project yet? |
| 17:07.10 | JeffM2501 | for a couple of mine yes |
| 17:07.10 | JeffM2501 | it's quite nice |
| 17:07.11 | JeffM2501 | the purple_cow got the sceamers using it. |
| 17:07.29 | JeffM2501 | also saw an animation lib that used it |
| 17:07.38 | AlexandrTheGreat | pardon...on irc, does bzbot report starting or ending match times? |
| 17:07.54 | trepan | JeffM2501: seen http://buildbot.sourceforge.net ? |
| 17:07.58 | JeffM2501 | who runs bzbot? |
| 17:08.03 | AlexandrTheGreat | gu league |
| 17:08.11 | AlexandrTheGreat | #guleague |
| 17:08.33 | JeffM2501 | but who runs the actual bot |
| 17:08.38 | JeffM2501 | they would know what its' set up to do |
| 17:08.45 | AlexandrTheGreat | i'm guessing meno |
| 17:08.50 | AlexandrTheGreat | k, ty |
| 17:09.12 | JeffM2501 | probably a good guess :) |
| 17:09.28 | AlexandrTheGreat | why would it do this: |
| 17:09.30 | AlexandrTheGreat | bzbotNew news from gumatches: Aug 11 16:30 => Kick Ass Squad [KAS]:6, Enough Is Enough!:2 |
| 17:09.30 | AlexandrTheGreat | bzbotNew news from gumatches: Aug 11 17:00 => Kick Ass Squad [KAS]:6, Enough Is Enough!:2 |
| 17:09.45 | AlexandrTheGreat | 2 different times |
| 17:11.58 | AlexandrTheGreat | hey, i know! i'll ask meno :) |
| 17:12.11 | JeffM2501 | if it uses RSS like I think it does, I've seen it happen |
| 17:12.19 | JeffM2501 | the feed generator geeks sometimes |
| 17:12.26 | JeffM2501 | does it do it all the time? |
| 17:12.31 | AlexandrTheGreat | i believe it actually ended at 16:30 |
| 17:12.37 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:12.40 | AlexandrTheGreat | i just happend to notice this |
| 17:12.46 | AlexandrTheGreat | i was going to enter the match |
| 17:12.48 | JeffM2501 | id' send him a message so he knows |
| 17:12.50 | [dmp] | i think bzbb is brad's |
| 17:12.53 | JeffM2501 | does it do it allt he time? |
| 17:13.02 | JeffM2501 | or just every so often? |
| 17:13.17 | JeffM2501 | guu used to do that somtimes |
| 17:13.18 | AlexandrTheGreat | brad is laying on some beach in majorca i think |
| 17:13.27 | AlexandrTheGreat | i don't know |
| 17:13.30 | purple_cow | scons still has a ways to go |
| 17:13.33 | JeffM2501 | is bzbot a supybot? |
| 17:15.11 | JeffM2501 | it sounds just like the stuff guu used to report, so I'll bet it was just a geek in the feed |
| 17:15.20 | JeffM2501 | or I've seen it happen when the feed serve restarts |
| 17:15.37 | SportChick | brlcad: check your email pls |
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| 17:50.57 | brlcad | hehe, JeffM2501 sounds like that would have been fun |
| 17:52.07 | brlcad | hmm i'd bet if anything you might be able to set studio settings via a lil per-project vb scripting |
| 18:03.51 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, yeah or one of there C++ addin modules thing |
| 18:03.56 | JeffM2501 | I just don't have the time to look |
| 18:07.23 | brlcad | in my (limited) experience, scons is very nice for small projects and minimal platforms |
| 18:07.56 | brlcad | but very quickly fails or becomes rather just as burdonsome if not more when you get mildly more realistic/complex |
| 18:09.16 | brlcad | just as much of a maintenance burden as autotools just that even fewer people understand it |
| 18:10.14 | brlcad | we're just about approaching a nice timeframe for svn, though I think sf.net's "convert to svn" is still busted (which doesn't inspire confidence) |
| 18:10.45 | brlcad | I'd say we should give the migration a shot after our next major release |
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| 18:31.32 | gsnedders | brlcad: yeah, they will be on 10.5 |
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| 18:38.28 | ruskie | git++ |
| 18:39.50 | JBdiGriz | gsnedders: Steve will get you for that. |
| 18:40.00 | gsnedders | JBdiGriz: why? |
| 18:40.26 | JBdiGriz | releasing information about Xcode 3.0 before Apple does. :) |
| 18:40.34 | gsnedders | JBdiGriz: I'm not under NDA |
| 18:40.36 | gsnedders | JBdiGriz: :) |
| 18:41.00 | gsnedders | JBdiGriz: because the agreement when you sign up to the ADC only applies on what you download there, not what you hear from others |
| 18:41.14 | gsnedders | JBdiGriz: and seeming I've only got a free account there, I don't get anything cool :) |
| 18:41.18 | JBdiGriz | Then how would you know that svn will be available. |
| 18:41.29 | gsnedders | "what you hear from others" |
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| 18:42.02 | gsnedders | rails will also be included, as that's been announced by 37 signals |
| 18:44.48 | gsnedders | oh, and "Mac OS X version 10.5 (Leopard) includes the Subversion command line client in the Developer Tools package." on http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/collaboration/wiki/Repository (which is owned by Apple) |
| 18:50.23 | ruskie | lol |
| 18:53.07 | a_meteorite | it doesn't force you to install 20 updates in two weeks time? |
| 18:53.25 | a_meteorite | *one week |
| 18:53.38 | a_meteorite | that's what I did now, I installed a dozen updates a week ago and I just finished up another 10 |
| 18:53.59 | a_meteorite | worst of all it didn't tell me before I rebooted so I have to reboot again |
| 18:54.06 | a_meteorite | </rant> |
| 18:54.41 | nick125_lappy | ugh |
| 18:54.49 | a_meteorite | there are tons of other reasons, but I won't list them ;) |
| 18:54.50 | ruskie | you mean it's better than windows? |
| 18:54.56 | ruskie | nothing new there |
| 18:55.04 | a_meteorite | yes, I believe mac os x is better than windows |
| 18:55.12 | ruskie | lol |
| 18:55.19 | ruskie | dos is better than windows |
| 18:55.23 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 18:55.27 | nick125_lappy | ruskie: but windows is based on dos! |
| 18:55.33 | ruskie | nope |
| 18:55.48 | a_meteorite | windows 95 was, and it was windows |
| 18:55.53 | a_meteorite | mwahaha |
| 18:55.55 | a_meteorite | :\ |
| 18:57.02 | nick125_lappy | I wonder how much 16-bit code is in XP.. |
| 18:58.22 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 18:58.46 | a_meteorite | I'm trying to find an old guide I had bookmarked to windows xp |
| 18:59.07 | a_meteorite | I know where to disable services, but I don't know which ones are safe too |
| 18:59.15 | a_meteorite | need to free more ram ;) |
| 18:59.41 | ruskie | lol |
| 18:59.44 | ruskie | just disable all prob solved :) |
| 18:59.52 | a_meteorite | K6-2 400mhz / 256MB Ram |
| 18:59.54 | a_meteorite | doesn't cut it |
| 19:00.17 | a_meteorite | with *gasp* 8MB integrated graphics |
| 19:00.46 | nick125_lappy | hahah |
| 19:01.19 | ruskie | hmm I had a similar setup |
| 19:01.23 | ruskie | but an 8mb pci card |
| 19:01.29 | ruskie | and only 192mb ram |
| 19:01.36 | ruskie | k6-2 450 |
| 19:01.36 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 19:01.41 | ruskie | worked with XP nicely |
| 19:01.44 | nick125_lappy | I still have a 16MB pci video card and a k6-2 |
| 19:01.54 | a_meteorite | I'm also running a full theme too :) |
| 19:01.57 | ruskie | but then I didn't use mr bloat aka explorer for my shell |
| 19:02.03 | ruskie | I used bb4win |
| 19:02.12 | nick125_lappy | I use blackbox for windows (or whatever its called) |
| 19:02.21 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 19:02.37 | ruskie | well bb4win is an older one that's been dead for a while but there are 3 forks afaik |
| 19:06.13 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
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| 19:21.21 | CBG | :( |
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| 20:12.02 | ruskie | hmm any plans on supporting http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html ??? |
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| 20:18.32 | spldart | hrm |
| 20:21.06 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you around? |
| 20:21.31 | JeffM2501 | man is his desk heavy |
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| 20:30.13 | ToughShooter | Someone who understands LocalPlayer.cxx: ping |
| 20:32.01 | ToughShooter | Is it indented behaviour to set location = InBuilding whenever someone lands on a building for only one frame? |
| 20:32.29 | plasma_kaz | ts, your gu team is matching in brad 5158 if you wanted to know :-) |
| 20:33.11 | ToughShooter | plasma_kaz: I have decided to have 4 weeks bz holidays so I just take my time for coding instead of playing |
| 20:33.55 | plasma_kaz | ah ok:) just informing you in case you would just like to see them play |
| 20:34.00 | ToughShooter | Probably this is also the reason why getPosition() produces too high values in the moment a player lands |
| 20:34.36 | ToughShooter | plasma_kaz: I can't see anything on the map at that time |
| 20:34.40 | ToughShooter | Too dark ;) |
| 20:35.01 | ToughShooter | bz uses my local time for the light in maps |
| 20:35.31 | ruskie | :) |
| 20:35.32 | plasma_kaz | ah i see |
| 20:38.55 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: ping |
| 20:39.20 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, sup? |
| 20:39.40 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Do you know about the location thing I wrote above? |
| 20:40.33 | ToughShooter | Yes/No/Maybe? |
| 20:42.46 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: It could be the comic effect of landing tanks is also caused by that, is that effect intentional? |
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| 20:44.06 | ToughShooter | So do you know anything about it or do you know someone who could know? |
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| 20:46.36 | JeffM2501 | sorry haven't been reading |
| 20:46.38 | JeffM2501 | building a desk |
| 20:46.40 | JeffM2501 | let me read up |
| 20:47.08 | JeffM2501 | the sqlish that the tanks do is what your talking about? |
| 20:47.32 | JeffM2501 | trepan did all that, and I think it is yes for the effect |
| 20:47.35 | JeffM2501 | he would know more |
| 20:48.34 | ToughShooter | ok, thanks |
| 20:48.37 | ToughShooter | trepan: ping |
| 20:48.51 | trepan | but (if possible), cares even less |
| 20:49.12 | ToughShooter | ow |
| 20:49.39 | ToughShooter | Should we keep that behaviour? |
| 20:50.16 | brlcad | ToughShooter: it shouldn't be intentional to be inside a building on landing imho |
| 20:50.35 | brlcad | the tank compresses, it doesn't/shouldn't submerge |
| 20:50.56 | brlcad | it's probably just how the math worked out, off-by-one situation of sorts |
| 20:51.48 | ToughShooter | If we going to check where the tank would be in next frame the optical effect may go away |
| 20:52.02 | ToughShooter | also the bullet high won't differ then |
| 20:54.56 | ToughShooter | trepan: How is the "tank squish" created? It sounds like you did it so you should know more about it. |
| 20:55.36 | trepan | z size is changed |
| 20:56.02 | ToughShooter | So it should not have something to do with the landing..aha |
| 20:56.32 | ToughShooter | to be more precise with the InBuilding location |
| 20:56.41 | ToughShooter | tnx |
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| 21:05.57 | Mr_Molez | ~bzfquery cbg.bzflag.org:59998 |
| 21:06.50 | Mr_Molez | ~bzfquery 216.55.160.43:59998 |
| 21:09.15 | spldart | I propose a minor rule change for ctf.. perhaps a plugin addition.. When ctf is disabled for unequal teams... camping on oppossing teams flag and constantly picking it up and triggering the event sounds, ping or klaxon depending on team, that the tank who is causing the irritating noise be world killed. :-) |
| 21:09.35 | a_meteorite | Mr_Molez: those ports aren't open |
| 21:09.36 | CBG | No, kick them. |
| 21:09.44 | Mr_Molez | a_meteorite: :( |
| 21:09.46 | CBG | a_meteorite: uhhhhhhh, no wonder. |
| 21:09.53 | CBG | a_meteorite: please open them ;) |
| 21:09.59 | a_meteorite | just use a regular port |
| 21:10.08 | a_meteorite | why do you have to have 5999x? |
| 21:10.09 | CBG | 59998 is regular ;) |
| 21:10.13 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 21:10.18 | a_meteorite | four digits is normal |
| 21:10.23 | CBG | why can't we use 59998? |
| 21:10.26 | a_meteorite | five digits is bothersome |
| 21:10.33 | a_meteorite | because I don't want the whole machine open |
| 21:10.35 | spldart | hear hear |
| 21:10.38 | a_meteorite | 4,000 ports are enough |
| 21:10.46 | CBG | just open 59990-59999 |
| 21:10.50 | CBG | that's only 10 more. :P |
| 21:10.59 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 21:11.32 | a_meteorite | After I install IE7b3 |
| 21:11.46 | CBG | Thanks :) |
| 21:11.48 | a_meteorite | And figure out why Windows decided to remove IE's shortcut in the start menu |
| 21:11.54 | a_meteorite | (not that it's a bad thing) |
| 21:12.04 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 21:12.15 | Mr_Molez | ~bzfquery cbg.bzflag.org:7890 |
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| 21:13.38 | a_meteorite | lol.. it's hanging at "Installing Windows Internet Explorer Core Components" |
| 21:14.19 | a_meteorite | 0% done :) |
| 21:14.25 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 21:14.47 | spldart | Is 7 foot some sort of standard on sma ant cables? everywhere I look they are all 7 foot maz |
| 21:14.53 | spldart | max |
| 21:14.56 | a_meteorite | sma ant? |
| 21:15.49 | nick125_lappy | spldart: you could always make them longer, but, you should try to keep them as short as possible since every foot means signal loss |
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| 21:16.34 | spldart | Oh.. I know RF characteristics.. my waveguide nets me about 11+ db :-p |
| 21:16.42 | nick125_lappy | if you use something like LMA-400, its only 0.5dBi/meter. |
| 21:16.58 | spldart | And if I'm goin to war-drive I'll go with very short but it's not critical in this case |
| 21:18.10 | nick125_lappy | for wardriving and such, I would use a -98dBm receiver if I could, maybe put a little WRAP box in the backseat with one of those Ubiquiti Super Range 2 400mW/-98dBm cards with a 15dBi onmi |
| 21:18.24 | spldart | hrm... was hoping to avoid making my own in this case but I guess I will hehe |
| 21:18.46 | spldart | someone has experience |
| 21:19.05 | a_meteorite | nick125_lappy: any m0n0wall experience? |
| 21:19.12 | a_meteorite | argh, still hung at 0% |
| 21:19.13 | spldart | but that 15dbi is gained actively correct? |
| 21:19.13 | nick125_lappy | WRAP boards plus enclosures are about $180 |
| 21:19.36 | nick125_lappy | a_meteorite: I have some, i used to use it |
| 21:19.51 | nick125_lappy | spldart: I think that's the peak gain on the antenna I was looking at |
| 21:19.56 | spldart | I hope to rebuild/tune my waveguide to get 'er up to 13db passive but not yet |
| 21:20.15 | a_meteorite | Woah, went from 0% to 100% sub-second |
| 21:20.24 | nick125_lappy | a_meteorite: don't you just love the windows isntallers |
| 21:20.31 | a_meteorite | yes, so nice |
| 21:20.36 | nick125_lappy | one second they say "45 minutes", next, it says "20 minutes" |
| 21:21.19 | nick125_lappy | I was thinking of getting the hg2415u-pro antenna from hyperlink w/ that 400mW transmitter, but, that would go over the FCC regulations :/ |
| 21:21.27 | a_meteorite | nick125_lappy: well, I've always wanted to know how to hand out external IPs to inside clients (so no NAT) |
| 21:21.39 | a_meteorite | and how you use IPs that an ISP gives you |
| 21:21.47 | spldart | http://spldart.opencombat.net:92/superwaveguide.jpg it's since gone to 3 cans length for more selectivity |
| 21:21.54 | nick125_lappy | a_meteorite: well, I'm not sure how you would do that, but, you could use 1:1 NAT |
| 21:22.22 | nick125_lappy | spldart: nice |
| 21:23.17 | nick125_lappy | though, for most of my wardriving, my internal wifi card works for me atm.. |
| 21:23.41 | nick125_lappy | I want to get a WRAP board, a external antenna, and one of those Ubiquiti boards, then, SSH into it frmo my lappy |
| 21:23.53 | nick125_lappy | so I can see what it does |
| 21:24.36 | nick125_lappy | I would run kismet in a screen so I can detach and shutoff my lappy, or such |
| 21:25.17 | nick125_lappy | that would be the ultimate setup |
| 21:26.30 | spldart | Good grief that hg2415u-pro is overpriced :( |
| 21:26.41 | spldart | imho |
| 21:26.45 | a_meteorite | hmm.. that's weird |
| 21:26.49 | a_meteorite | still no IE in the start menu |
| 21:26.55 | nick125_lappy | a_meteorite: the main reason I'm saying look into 1:1 NAT is because you would have to give your box a external IP, but, you would have to connect to a local IP to get to the gateway |
| 21:27.20 | a_meteorite | nick125_lappy: ah |
| 21:27.26 | nick125_lappy | spldart: do you know somewhere to get premade antennas cheaper? |
| 21:27.56 | spldart | Nope... I've always built my own per need... but that antanae doesn't worrent that kind of money IMO |
| 21:28.11 | spldart | They could very well be the cheapest on the net for all I know though |
| 21:28.43 | spldart | I guess I'm just used to buying the supplies and building my own, Beam, Yagi, Dipole, Waveguide... whateva |
| 21:29.16 | nick125_lappy | for my wireless mesh project (If I actually get funding for it), I'll use those 400mW/-98dBm wifi cards with a 10.5dBi omni |
| 21:30.33 | spldart | I have one project I still wanna try... getting a sat dish and mounting a waveguide on the support facing the parabola then sweeping the area with that and network stumbler |
| 21:30.59 | nick125_lappy | I just don't have enough money or enough time |
| 21:31.28 | spldart | I can empathise... I've been a bit poor lately myself |
| 21:32.59 | nick125_lappy | I don't make alot of money from my VPS company (we aren't losing moeny, which is great), I'm still a student |
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| 21:41.54 | RatOmeter | any of you guys into flight simulators? There's a fairly mature F/OSS project called FlightGear: http://www.flightgear.org/ |
| 21:42.35 | RatOmeter | *very* extensible, used in some commericial (ie "sit-down inside") flight sim's |
| 21:42.49 | zaphod_42arena | yes i am .... wow...nice link... |
| 21:43.25 | brlcad | RatOmeter: and you're advertising for them here.. why? |
| 21:43.42 | zaphod_42arena | opensource ;) |
| 21:44.07 | brlcad | not good enough reason seriously |
| 21:44.47 | RatOmeter | sorry, didn't think I was spamming. One scenery object there has tried brlcad, don't know if he stuck with it, though |
| 21:45.20 | RatOmeter | arg, should read "scenery/object designer" |
| 21:45.39 | brlcad | just wondering why the topic was brought up in the first place, what it has to do with bzflag .. |
| 21:45.51 | zaphod_42arena | relax... |
| 21:45.59 | RatOmeter | probably just a brain fart, carry on |
| 21:46.27 | brlcad | i mean, it would be neat to integrate their flight model into a tank vs plane mix with bz |
| 21:46.31 | brlcad | but other than that.. ;) |
| 21:46.39 | brlcad | zaphod_42arena: i am relaxed, but thanks for caring |
| 21:46.46 | zaphod_42arena | indeed a good idea |
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| 21:47.01 | RatOmeter | actually, I did see some parallels with bzflag, internetworking and so on, probably not worth bugging folks with |
| 21:50.06 | zaphod_42arena | racing simulators? |
| 21:50.16 | zaphod_42arena | just kidding ....sorry |
| 21:51.38 | RatOmeter | (at the risk of being too far off-topic): actually, I think *realistic* driving simulators would be valuable. Like for tractor-trailor training and similar. Don't know if anything like that exists |
| 21:52.16 | brlcad | i've wanted to add moree and more realism to bzflag myself.. at least the capability to have a very realistic map |
| 21:52.31 | brlcad | and realistic tank behaviors, movements, responses |
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| 21:53.24 | RatOmeter | given some of the talk I've heard about bz being intentionally "arcade-like", that would probably mean a fork ;) |
| 21:53.48 | brlcad | nah, just careful preservation of defaults |
| 21:54.03 | brlcad | and more advanced optional tank controls |
| 21:54.26 | RatOmeter | the scenery management and the (various) flight models of FGFS could make a lot of that happen |
| 21:56.19 | RatOmeter | I think they can all be used independently of FG: http://jsbsim.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:57.08 | RatOmeter | oops, sorry to start a topic and then run, but gotta go pick up the kids, adios all |
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| 22:00.40 | spldart | And logitech making a special new control with two sticks and gearshift for tank control realism :) |
| 22:08.36 | JeffM2501 | ohy me back |
| 22:15.58 | amcnabb | I was just looking at ServerVariables. I didn't see it in there, but is there an option where you can't grab your own team's flag in capture the flag mode? |
| 22:25.56 | JeffM2501 | I don't think there is one |
| 22:26.23 | JeffM2501 | the code dosn't have anything that looks to prevent it ( at least in the bzfs function ) |
| 22:27.06 | nick125_lappy | amcnabb: the only problem I can see with that is that, what if the opposing team grabs the flag, and takes it half way to the opposing base, how would they get it back? |
| 22:27.53 | JeffM2501 | UT style flag zaps :) |
| 22:28.02 | amcnabb | If the style of game play doesn't allow you to pick up your own flag, then you have to be more defensive. |
| 22:28.21 | amcnabb | It's just a slightly different game. |
| 22:28.32 | JeffM2501 | I pondered puting in a mode where you could not pick up your own flag |
| 22:28.44 | nick125_lappy | that might actually be cool |
| 22:28.45 | JeffM2501 | if you hit your own flag, it zaps back to your base |
| 22:28.56 | JeffM2501 | and you can only cap when your flag is also at yoru base |
| 22:29.21 | amcnabb | cap? |
| 22:29.26 | JeffM2501 | capture |
| 22:29.26 | nick125_lappy | capture |
| 22:29.28 | amcnabb | ok |
| 22:29.36 | amcnabb | That would be cool, too. |
| 22:29.45 | JeffM2501 | to get a flag capture point you basicly have to touch the flags |
| 22:29.58 | JeffM2501 | another incentive to be defenseive |
| 22:30.12 | amcnabb | Yep. |
| 22:30.36 | JeffM2501 | then let everyone kill each other for 15 seconds with no score change then respawn em :) |
| 22:30.40 | JeffM2501 | for the next cap |
| 22:38.25 | amcnabb | In team games (like capture the flag), it's amazing to me how much the dynamics of the game change as rules vary. |
| 22:39.50 | amcnabb | For example, if you have instant respawning and good coordination (i.e. a team of bots), you don't have to have any defense. |
| 22:40.17 | amcnabb | As soon as the enemy grabs your flag, turn and shoot each other, and you spawn towards your base |
| 22:40.26 | amcnabb | (assuming also, that you respawn near your base) |
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