| 00:00.40 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: add a little space between the target info and the team score |
| 00:00.52 | uso | JeffM2501: are this speeds calculated by the position changes of the tank or the speed values the tank sends? |
| 00:00.56 | uso | wow :) |
| 00:01.08 | JeffM2501 | the tank does not send speed values |
| 00:01.15 | JeffM2501 | it's computed based on the DR vector the tank sends |
| 00:02.35 | JeffM2501 | we don't accurately track time on pos updates, so using them to compute speed is iffy at best |
| 00:03.07 | JeffM2501 | you'd get a lot more false positives then you do now if we did |
| 00:05.00 | uso | that's what i meant, this ones can be faked and the tank actually can move faster |
| 00:05.23 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 00:05.30 | JeffM2501 | we don't have a good way of tracking the other |
| 00:05.34 | JeffM2501 | since lag can do it |
| 00:06.08 | JeffM2501 | if there was a shure fire way to track cheaters in a client with the current protocoll, we'd have done on the server by now |
| 00:06.29 | JeffM2501 | any packetloss or change in lag would screw over a positional check |
| 00:06.33 | JeffM2501 | we used to have one in the server |
| 00:06.37 | JeffM2501 | it booted people left and right |
| 00:06.54 | uso | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:07.16 | JeffM2501 | the client dosn't track update history, didn't feel like adding it |
| 00:07.21 | JeffM2501 | I can look at it later tho |
| 00:07.29 | JeffM2501 | maybe show it in parens or something |
| 00:07.38 | uso | was only a question :) |
| 00:07.44 | JeffM2501 | a valid one |
| 00:07.50 | JeffM2501 | that does bear looking into |
| 00:09.01 | uso | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.13 | JeffM2501 | ohh they already are |
| 00:09.33 | uso | sure, but even more ;) |
| 00:11.29 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx ScoreboardRenderer.cxx ScoreboardRenderer.h): scoreboard extended observer info |
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| 00:24.20 | JeffM2501 | uso I just wrote it up, I'm gonna test it |
| 00:24.26 | JeffM2501 | put it as a 3rd menu option |
| 00:29.36 | uso | hehe :) |
| 00:31.54 | florolf | n8 |
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| 00:41.50 | A-Delusion | could someone pleas have a look at this makefile, and possibly help me set the flags for macintosh |
| 00:41.52 | A-Delusion | http://localhost:5159/Outgoing/progFlag-3%20copy/ |
| 00:42.31 | A-Delusion | gah http://a-delusion.no-ip.org:5159/Outgoing/progFlag-3%20copy/ |
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| 00:56.10 | JeffM2501 | ibot spell apearant |
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| 00:57.53 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): add an option to compute speeds based on positional updates and display them. |
| 00:58.17 | JeffM2501 | now to do yet another build |
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| 01:14.52 | JeffM2501 | what was the server that was leinent on cheaters? |
| 01:19.41 | JeffM2501 | hah.. acording to the display.. sportchic is cheating :) |
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| 01:32.35 | trepan | JeffM2501: you planning a 2.0.10? ;) |
| 01:32.54 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 01:33.04 | JeffM2501 | just a special 2.0.9 |
| 01:33.10 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.9s4 |
| 01:33.26 | JeffM2501 | everyone else can get it from cvs if they want |
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| 01:54.01 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: |
| 01:54.01 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: move the tank labels closer to the top of the tanks, and show the speed on them if |
| 01:54.02 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: we are observing and want vels. |
| 02:13.31 | uso | cosmos: there you go http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1535237&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 02:14.14 | uso | ... and in case anyone else want to put the jitterkick stuff into v2_0branch ;) |
| 02:15.58 | JeffM2501 | why? there are no plans to release a 2.0.10 |
| 02:16.07 | JeffM2501 | and most servers are linux and can apply a patch |
| 02:16.48 | uso | i wrote "in case" :) |
| 02:17.01 | JeffM2501 | well you've mentioned it more then once |
| 02:17.07 | uso | and it's easier if you can make a cvs co and you have it :) |
| 02:17.09 | JeffM2501 | so I'm curious why you think we should |
| 02:17.16 | JeffM2501 | you still have to compile |
| 02:17.26 | JeffM2501 | adding in a patch isn't much more work |
| 02:17.50 | JeffM2501 | you think that many servers would update? |
| 02:18.38 | uso | i don't know, at least the banlist fix seems to be worth it for me |
| 02:18.51 | JeffM2501 | that was a bug fix |
| 02:18.57 | JeffM2501 | and yeah it went back down |
| 02:19.04 | JeffM2501 | jitterkick is a new feature |
| 02:20.06 | JeffM2501 | eww bz2 |
| 02:20.11 | JeffM2501 | oh well |
| 02:20.29 | uso | but not the only one went into 2.0 after 2.0.8 ;) |
| 02:20.48 | JeffM2501 | if it's not big I'd do it, but I can't read bz2 |
| 02:20.51 | uso | windows cannot handle this? sorry |
| 02:20.52 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx HUDRenderer.h): refactor the three basic render updates steps that were used by renderPlaying(), renderNotPlaying(), and renderRoaming() into one renderUpdate() function. |
| 02:21.06 | JeffM2501 | windows only comes with a zip unzipper |
| 02:21.20 | JeffM2501 | yay, somone finaly did it |
| 02:21.25 | JeffM2501 | cus they were REALY similar ;) |
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| 02:21.37 | brlcad | they were annoyingly similar :) |
| 02:21.45 | JeffM2501 | very |
| 02:21.53 | JeffM2501 | tho you may have pooched my update now ya bastage ;) |
| 02:22.08 | brlcad | probably a few more steps could go into the new function, but i played it a little conservative |
| 02:22.11 | brlcad | heh, cool |
| 02:22.39 | JeffM2501 | oh I already did the changes to that func |
| 02:22.41 | JeffM2501 | I'm good :) |
| 02:22.48 | JeffM2501 | just have to change the label function |
| 02:24.12 | JeffM2501 | uso how invasive is the patch? |
| 02:26.39 | uso | it's unzipped now |
| 02:26.55 | uso | not a lot, but all is relative |
| 02:27.12 | JeffM2501 | off that's decent size |
| 02:27.15 | JeffM2501 | I have to do them by hand |
| 02:27.18 | JeffM2501 | that's why I ask |
| 02:27.48 | uso | oh, by hand, why that? |
| 02:27.58 | JeffM2501 | cus I don't run linux |
| 02:28.05 | JeffM2501 | or have command line patch |
| 02:28.44 | uso | tortoise does not support patching, oh |
| 02:28.50 | JeffM2501 | it will make a patch |
| 02:29.00 | uso | that i know |
| 02:29.10 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: helps to compile |
| 02:29.22 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't realy merge them back in tho |
| 02:29.29 | brlcad | need a patch applied? |
| 02:29.29 | JeffM2501 | basicly does what cvs does |
| 02:29.35 | JeffM2501 | and cvs just makes them |
| 02:29.41 | JeffM2501 | he has a backport of jitterkick |
| 02:29.43 | JeffM2501 | for 2.0.x |
| 02:29.45 | brlcad | i noticed |
| 02:29.49 | JeffM2501 | may as well do it |
| 02:29.50 | brlcad | want it? |
| 02:29.57 | JeffM2501 | it'll shut some people up ;) |
| 02:30.42 | JeffM2501 | and you did ask nicely |
| 02:30.53 | JeffM2501 | that is always a pluss in my book |
| 02:31.12 | uso | good to know ;) |
| 02:34.49 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: rogue semicolon |
| 02:35.34 | brlcad | uso: i think your patch is missing something in include/ |
| 02:35.51 | uso | oh |
| 02:36.49 | uso | LagInfo.h is the only one changed here |
| 02:37.07 | brlcad | CmdLineOptions.h:59: error: 'PlainGameStyle' was not declared in this scope |
| 02:37.24 | brlcad | er.. maybe my bad.. hold on |
| 02:37.53 | brlcad | yep, my bad |
| 02:39.31 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.cxx: doubles.. are sadly not floats |
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| 02:41.29 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): more fun with extended observer info ( appearnt speed, and tank label speed ) |
| 02:41.32 | spldart | Wow.. so much 2_0 work |
| 02:42.06 | JeffM2501 | too much |
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| 02:44.38 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (6 files): apply sf patch [ 1535237 ] jitterkick for bzflag 2.0.8 from uso, a backport of Thomas Stauer's (patch 1397967) work on a jitterdrop command (adding respective cmdline options too) |
| 02:45.19 | uso | brlcad: thanks again :) |
| 02:45.30 | uso | and JeffM2501 of course too |
| 02:45.45 | JeffM2501 | all I did was con him into it ;) |
| 02:45.46 | brlcad | np |
| 02:45.51 | JeffM2501 | he did the hard part |
| 02:45.58 | JeffM2501 | thanks for backporting it |
| 02:45.59 | uso | the initial step :) |
| 02:46.14 | brlcad | yeah, issuing two commands |
| 02:46.18 | brlcad | my fingers are tired now |
| 02:46.47 | JeffM2501 | I need to find some cheaters |
| 02:46.55 | bryjen | hmm, i though we already had those. maybe just in HEAD |
| 02:47.02 | uso | hehe, not htere when you need it |
| 02:47.22 | blast007 | JeffM2501: TortoiceSVN comes with a merging tool, that supports applying unified diffs |
| 02:47.29 | uso | bryjen: yes, jitterkick is in head |
| 02:47.42 | blast007 | I personally haven't used it though |
| 02:47.43 | JeffM2501 | ahh svn |
| 02:47.48 | JeffM2501 | well when we swap that will be good |
| 02:47.54 | blast007 | TortoiseMerge |
| 02:48.00 | bryjen | uso: jitterwarn and jitterdrop (like lagwarn and lagdrop) are both there |
| 02:48.11 | blast007 | seperate tool from the actual SVN app, but last I checked it was only included with the SVN package |
| 02:48.34 | Matt123 | im @ mofo |
| 02:48.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: |
| 02:48.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: ok so actualy USE the player's position in Z for tank labels, not just his muzzle |
| 02:48.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: height, cus it sucks when they jump |
| 02:48.39 | Matt123 | oops wrong place |
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| 02:49.55 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: |
| 02:49.55 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: ok so actualy USE the player's position in Z for tank labels, not just his muzzle |
| 02:49.55 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: height, cus it sucks when they jump |
| 02:50.17 | JeffM2501 | I'd still not have been able to bzip |
| 02:50.22 | JeffM2501 | well unless I installed a thing |
| 02:51.12 | uso | JeffM2501: try bzflag.wnc.or.at, it has handicap on, at least you see a lot of different max speeds there |
| 02:51.38 | JeffM2501 | I want honest cheaters :) |
| 02:51.42 | spldart | lol |
| 02:51.46 | JeffM2501 | but I'll try that at least |
| 02:52.46 | JeffM2501 | after special 4 finishes uploading |
| 02:53.12 | purple_cow | wow, lots of jeff commits |
| 02:53.15 | uso | i was freaked first time i was there with a speed display about the lot of cheaters ;) |
| 02:53.42 | JeffM2501 | wonder if the client knows the handicap speeds for the other clients |
| 02:53.48 | JeffM2501 | since mine does comps to max speed |
| 02:54.01 | uso | you will see |
| 02:54.46 | JeffM2501 | the server is empty |
| 03:01.17 | uso | european server, normal europeans sleep at this time |
| 03:02.03 | JeffM2501 | so I need abnormal europeans |
| 03:02.21 | JeffM2501 | comeon SOMONE has to have a cheat client somewhere |
| 03:02.38 | uso | hehe |
| 03:08.38 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (include/LagInfo.h src/bzfs/commands.cxx src/game/LagInfo.cxx): oop, forgot to commit a few files. apply sf patch [ 1535237 ] jitterkick for bzflag 2.0.8 from uso, a backport of Thomas Stauer's (patch 1397967) work on a jitterdrop command (adding respective cmdline options too) |
| 03:09.24 | bryjen | i should've asked before i started fixing that up :/ |
| 03:11.17 | brlcad | heh, sry |
| 03:11.47 | bryjen | np, faster for you to do it anyway. |
| 03:12.29 | bryjen | grr, as long as it compiles. maybe it didn't clear my edits... |
| 03:16.14 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/autogen.sh: update from HEAD, slew of changes |
| 03:23.22 | uso | brlcad: which version is your src/bzfs/commands.cxx now? i have the methods twice in -r2.139.2.35 :) |
| 03:25.08 | brlcad | ahh, i'm on a roll |
| 03:25.14 | brlcad | it's not the patch |
| 03:25.23 | bryjen | patched it twice, just to be sure? ;) |
| 03:25.32 | brlcad | it was applied twice as I'd already blown away LagInfo* |
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| 03:28.10 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: revert the double-patch |
| 03:36.55 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/game/LagInfo.cxx: correct copied comment |
| 03:49.18 | bryjen | having the speeds displayed on the observer HUD lets you see the floating-point inaccuracy |
| 03:49.32 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah |
| 03:49.38 | JeffM2501 | specialy with the computed ones |
| 03:50.28 | JeffM2501 | even the speed that is sent is computed by 2 mults an add and a sqrt |
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| 04:37.36 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (8 files): |
| 04:37.36 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: show displays for the time between a players last shots and the angular deviation |
| 04:37.36 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: of the last shot from the tank's facing dir. |
| 04:41.19 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am: merge from head so it will compile sans SDL |
| 04:41.34 | uso | JeffM2501: so this can detect fast reload cheats? |
| 04:42.16 | JeffM2501 | it can help with that maybe |
| 04:42.30 | JeffM2501 | if it's REALY fast it goes by so quick you can't see it |
| 04:42.58 | uso | but that you probably would see visually ;) |
| 04:43.09 | JeffM2501 | depends on the server settings |
| 04:43.16 | JeffM2501 | MG is hard to see |
| 04:43.27 | JeffM2501 | it also dosn't have a display of what it "should" be |
| 04:43.40 | JeffM2501 | since the shot reload timer is not part of the remote player class |
| 04:43.41 | uso | who cares about more than 5 shots ;) |
| 04:43.51 | uso | and non-default reload times anyway |
| 04:44.05 | JeffM2501 | you can watch and see if they change a lot |
| 04:44.15 | JeffM2501 | the angular deviation one is the big help I think |
| 04:44.43 | uso | but i thought one wish a day should be enough ;) |
| 04:45.27 | uso | for the shot timer i meant |
| 04:46.01 | uso | never thought about the angular deviation so far, but as you say it |
| 04:46.16 | JeffM2501 | there are cheats that aim to a target |
| 04:46.22 | JeffM2501 | or fire out the ass |
| 04:46.22 | uso | shots are not bound to a tank position update in 2.0? |
| 04:46.28 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 04:46.42 | JeffM2501 | well they are for the position |
| 04:46.46 | JeffM2501 | but NOT the direction |
| 04:46.55 | JeffM2501 | since your current angle may not be the same as it was when you shot |
| 04:48.58 | uso | be prepared to a lot of questions and discussions if people start to use the new measurement features ;) |
| 04:49.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:00.51 | uso | JeffM2501: what's the unit of the angular deviation? degrees? |
| 05:03.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:03.56 | JeffM2501 | does a dot product on the 2 vectors |
| 05:03.59 | JeffM2501 | then acos |
| 05:08.51 | uso | goes up to more than 10 sometimes, quite a lot |
| 05:09.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah lagy can get it up there |
| 05:10.10 | JeffM2501 | over 30 is when you start to worry |
| 05:10.24 | uso | hehe |
| 05:12.08 | uso | may not need to have a precision of 3 digits after the point ;) |
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| 05:13.19 | uso | and ... if i may request another space :) ... a space between the speed value and the player name in the scoreboard would be nice |
| 05:15.51 | uso | another issue, if you switch to roaming the display still updates values, maybe because you still get a valid player info |
| 05:16.12 | uso | iirc DTRemenak has fixed this in HEAD |
| 05:16.37 | uso | *already fixed |
| 05:17.18 | JeffM2501 | how do you swap to roaming from a player? |
| 05:17.25 | uso | F8 |
| 05:17.43 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah you can roam and still have a target |
| 05:17.48 | uso | F7: player, F8: modus |
| 05:18.10 | JeffM2501 | I thought that was by desing |
| 05:18.34 | JeffM2501 | it should probalby clear your target when you go roaming then |
| 05:18.37 | JeffM2501 | but that would suck |
| 05:20.25 | uso | why not switch off the complete target info block then? |
| 05:21.03 | JeffM2501 | the hud renderer generaly dosn't check the roam mode |
| 05:21.12 | JeffM2501 | let me see if I can add it |
| 05:22.40 | uso | iirc DTRemenak already changed the getTargetTank method in HEAD to give back NULL in the case of roaming |
| 05:22.59 | uso | maybe you just need to put back that change into v2_0 |
| 05:23.27 | JeffM2501 | then why didn't he rolld it down" |
| 05:23.30 | JeffM2501 | the slacker |
| 05:26.06 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Roaming.h: don't send back an observer target if we are freeballin it |
| 05:26.29 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): a space |
| 05:26.46 | DTRemenak | I thought we weren't working on v2_0branch any more...silly me... |
| 05:26.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah yeah |
| 05:26.56 | JeffM2501 | we arn't |
| 05:26.59 | JeffM2501 | we are just taunting them |
| 05:27.05 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:27.10 | JeffM2501 | remember... I'm a jerk |
| 05:27.16 | DTRemenak | oh yeah |
| 05:27.21 | DTRemenak | forgot about that |
| 05:27.37 | DTRemenak | gotta live up to your reputation |
| 05:29.19 | uso | :) |
| 05:34.17 | purple_cow | yay for that quit message |
| 05:34.40 | JeffM2501 | otherwise how will they feel speccial? |
| 05:48.55 | deanna | bzflag works on OpenBSD now. Thanks for your help. :) |
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| 08:14.43 | cosmos | the planet mofo server dnsnames are interesting to say the least |
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| 10:01.37 | CBG | cosmos: hmm? how so? :) |
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| 16:16.01 | cosmol | Is it possible to speed up bzadmin's reading of stdin? |
| 16:16.22 | cosmol | I can't get it to send more than about 1 full line per second |
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| 17:10.21 | Theme97 | 2006-08-06 10:04:55: File transfer terminated with error from libcurl 28 : Operation too slow. Less than 1024 bytes/sec transfered the last 10 seconds |
| 17:10.29 | cosmol | ok i ended up adding a for loop around the select and read parts of checkCommand() and that speeds command reading |
| 17:10.30 | Theme97 | Can this error happen if the port that the server is listening on is blocked? |
| 17:10.51 | JeffM2501 | that can happen any time we can resolve but can't get to the list |
| 17:10.57 | JeffM2501 | basicly it timed out |
| 17:11.00 | Theme97 | hm |
| 17:11.06 | Theme97 | Any ways I can fix it? |
| 17:11.24 | JeffM2501 | make it so the game can get to the list server with reasonable speed |
| 17:11.54 | JeffM2501 | try port 81 for the list, that may help |
| 17:12.21 | Theme97 | ... it worked. nvm. :P |
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| 18:13.41 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: ws |
| 18:20.42 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (4 files): shot time and deviation in the observer display |
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| 18:34.32 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ideas.txt: remove ideas that got done |
| 18:38.28 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/TODO: maps can do skyboxes, so not realy a todo anymore |
| 18:38.36 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/recordmatch/recordmatch.cpp: change the default filename format to pad the numbers for easier location of recorded matches. patch provided by uso, sf patch [ 1535474 ] More readable filenames for recorded matches |
| 18:39.50 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/recordmatch/recordmatch.cpp: merge from v2_0branch: change the default filename format to pad the numbers for easier location of recorded matches. patch provided by uso, sf patch [ 1535474 ] More readable filenames for recorded matches |
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| 18:40.24 | uso | fast :) |
| 18:40.45 | ToughShooter | brlcad: ping |
| 18:41.09 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/NEWS: changed format of recorded match filenames |
| 18:41.19 | ToughShooter | Did you test the Makefile.am in v2_0branch? |
| 18:41.23 | uso | brlcad: if you are on it, there's a fix for the recordmatch plugin missing in the v2_0branch, r1.4 -> r1.5 |
| 18:41.48 | JeffM2501 | it is missing? |
| 18:42.24 | uso | seems so :) |
| 18:42.50 | JeffM2501 | if it was missing how did he just commit to it's cpp file for the branch? |
| 18:43.04 | uso | it sets not back the started flag |
| 18:43.12 | brlcad | huh? |
| 18:43.17 | JeffM2501 | double huh? |
| 18:43.36 | JeffM2501 | ohh |
| 18:43.44 | JeffM2501 | I was sure I commited that |
| 18:43.47 | JeffM2501 | let me check |
| 18:44.15 | ToughShooter | brlcad: compare http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=35805021 and http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/119193 |
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| 18:44.47 | uso | not sure if it's really needed, but at least it's inconsistent between head and v2_0 |
| 18:45.29 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/recordmatch/recordmatch.cpp: when we stop a recording it's not started |
| 18:45.31 | brlcad | minor, running autogen.sh should have taken care of it, but it's certainly not needed |
| 18:46.27 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am: the flags are not necessary |
| 18:47.15 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am: merge from HEAD, the flags are not necessary |
| 18:49.13 | brlcad | btw, JeffM2501 finally got around to checking out the new shots and the exit dialog |
| 18:49.17 | brlcad | pretty nifty |
| 18:49.52 | JeffM2501 | I didn't do the exit dialog |
| 18:49.55 | brlcad | GM looked way too similar to regular shots, but overall a cool update |
| 18:49.56 | JeffM2501 | that's the dtr |
| 18:50.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'm not happy with GM |
| 18:50.14 | brlcad | yeah, i figured that was the dtr |
| 18:50.33 | JeffM2501 | GM needs more diferentation between the front and back |
| 18:51.19 | brlcad | and more smoke! |
| 18:51.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:56.41 | ToughShooter | brlcad: The Makefile.am in head worked for me, just the one in v2_0branch created problems |
| 18:57.07 | brlcad | ToughShooter: i know.. the whole CONF_* thing needs to go away regardless |
| 18:57.15 | brlcad | it's not the way to propagate configure options |
| 18:57.26 | ToughShooter | ok |
| 18:57.29 | brlcad | configure.ac needs to be reworked some to manage the flags better |
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| 19:58.44 | Skeeve | Hi there! I'm a bit puzzled! I've made a small change to bzflag 2.0.8 client in RadarRenderer::render. I've put a comment around the lines which I thought draw you view in the radar, but nothing happend. It's still there |
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| 20:08.53 | JeffM2501 | you mean the orange lines? |
| 20:15.33 | brlcad | some "it" |
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| 20:25.02 | a_meteorite | ...eW |
| 20:25.20 | jolie | jelous. |
| 20:26.25 | Theme97 | ... |
| 20:26.26 | Theme97 | EW. |
| 20:27.41 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/README.Linux: add a note that if you're using ALSA for sound and having problems that they should try using the hw:0 audio device instead of default, which is probably plughw (tupone identified the problem and work-around) |
| 20:29.00 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/README.Linux: merge audio comment from HEAD to v2_0branch |
| 20:30.40 | romfis | Ping: Chestal the Linux Guru! :D |
| 20:31.29 | Chestal | ehm? |
| 20:31.35 | romfis | hi |
| 20:32.17 | romfis | bisst doch einer oder hab ich gehört, brauch dich kurz, bei einen IRC problem das ich noch immer noch net weitergekommen bin :( |
| 20:32.41 | romfis | lol denk dir "oder" weg |
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| 20:47.20 | Skeeve | Yes, Jeff. The orange lines |
| 20:47.31 | JeffM2501 | what line did you comment out? |
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| 20:47.50 | Skeeve | 515: glBegin |
| 20:47.56 | Skeeve | down to glEnd |
| 20:48.30 | Skeeve | Comment above is // draw the view angle below stuff |
| 20:49.06 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 20:49.09 | JeffM2501 | let me look |
| 20:55.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's the code that does it |
| 20:55.13 | JeffM2501 | and if you comment it all out, it dosnt' draw em |
| 20:55.28 | Skeeve | Strange... Suddenly errors appear. Jeff. Thanks for looking, but I think I have to try again in another directory |
| 20:55.39 | Skeeve | I have 3 versions of 2.0.8 here |
| 20:55.41 | JeffM2501 | I don't think you actualy compiled the code you changed |
| 20:55.48 | Skeeve | I do think so too |
| 20:56.12 | Skeeve | I just started a new build in the directory I've cleaned for my last patch |
| 20:56.29 | Skeeve | I'll ask again if that fails. Thanks Jeff |
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| 21:02.20 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/RadarRenderer.cxx: config option to turn off the orange view lines on radar |
| 21:02.53 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/RadarRenderer.cxx: config option to turn off the orange view lines on radar |
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| 21:05.17 | Theme97 | Will bz_ShotFiredEventData return the player who fired sometime soon? |
| 21:05.53 | JeffM2501 | it's not going to change for 2.0 |
| 21:05.58 | Theme97 | Okie. |
| 21:08.34 | JeffM2501 | why do kids try to cheat MMOs |
| 21:08.40 | JeffM2501 | it makes no sense :( |
| 21:14.17 | Skeeve | "why do kids try to cheat" Because they *can*. It makes no sense, yes, but that doesn't count. I know a kid who played "The Sims" and even did spend much money for new packs but nevertheless cheated. |
| 21:14.53 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: um, maybe because they feel 1337 by doing something that normal playing doesn't give you? |
| 21:14.54 | JeffM2501 | the sims isnt a mmo |
| 21:15.07 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, in a MMO it dosn't give you much |
| 21:15.07 | a_meteorite | or they just like annoying others |
| 21:15.31 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: is an MMO like Age of Empires? |
| 21:15.33 | Theme97 | yes |
| 21:15.39 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:15.41 | Theme97 | wait |
| 21:15.41 | JeffM2501 | god no |
| 21:15.48 | JeffM2501 | runscape, wow |
| 21:15.53 | JeffM2501 | eq |
| 21:15.53 | JeffM2501 | etc.. |
| 21:16.03 | Skeeve | What's an MMO... Nevertheless: Cheating is "fun" to them |
| 21:16.24 | Theme97 | Massive Multiplayer Online? |
| 21:16.24 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: quell unused var warning |
| 21:16.35 | Skeeve | Ok |
| 21:18.02 | CBG | With bzflag, or any other open source game, I would guess cheating is just a way to show off their coding skills, how leet they are as a_meteorite said, etc. |
| 21:18.45 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.cxx: quell initialization ordering warnings |
| 21:18.48 | Skeeve | I think most of those cheaters really don't understand the code. They simply use patched versions they found onlen |
| 21:18.51 | a_meteorite | wow, a lot of commits |
| 21:18.58 | Theme97 | omg |
| 21:19.03 | a_meteorite | Skeeve: yeah, and then they claim to be 1337 |
| 21:19.06 | Theme97 | my email inbox is gonna be full! |
| 21:19.06 | a_meteorite | :) |
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| 21:19.31 | a_meteorite | most of them are rebellers that just want to make everyone mad |
| 21:19.31 | Skeeve | what does 1337 mean? |
| 21:19.33 | brlcad | not nearly as heavy commits as it has been in the past.. :) |
| 21:19.35 | a_meteorite | Skeeve: leet |
| 21:19.46 | brlcad | but there will be some good damage done today at least ;) |
| 21:19.46 | a_meteorite | it's a slang term |
| 21:19.52 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx): add shooter to shot fired event. |
| 21:20.03 | a_meteorite | comes from "elite" |
| 21:20.37 | Skeeve | Ah! Okay! |
| 21:21.13 | Skeeve | The "Oxford" explanation of "leet" didn't make sense here |
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| 21:21.29 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 21:21.32 | Mathiaz | hello |
| 21:21.37 | a_meteorite | I would imagine so ;) |
| 21:21.39 | a_meteorite | hi |
| 21:21.43 | Mathiaz | i have sound problem |
| 21:21.50 | Mathiaz | with bzflag and debian |
| 21:21.59 | Skeeve | Fortunately there is a way to get rid of discovered cheaters in bz - most of the times at least |
| 21:22.00 | a_meteorite | heh... |
| 21:22.25 | a_meteorite | Mathiaz: you're going to have to let someone else answer that, but I know you're about the third person this week :) |
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| 21:22.36 | a_meteorite | it seems like a common problem |
| 21:22.43 | Mathiaz | somebody use debian there, or somebody has meet this problem |
| 21:23.00 | Skeeve | But I think a poll should be displayed more prominently in BZ |
| 21:23.02 | Mathiaz | i have this problem since 1 mounth |
| 21:23.03 | JeffM2501 | does your sound not work or does it sound funny? |
| 21:23.18 | Mathiaz | it sound funny |
| 21:23.40 | JeffM2501 | is your system using alsa? |
| 21:23.41 | Mathiaz | it scratch my ears |
| 21:23.47 | Mathiaz | yes alsa |
| 21:23.53 | Mathiaz | last update |
| 21:23.59 | JeffM2501 | you have the alsa version of SDL? |
| 21:24.24 | Mathiaz | i don t know about "alsa version of SDL" |
| 21:24.33 | Mathiaz | what is SDL |
| 21:24.49 | JeffM2501 | SDL is a lib we use to process the sound |
| 21:24.55 | brlcad | google is your friend too |
| 21:24.57 | JeffM2501 | debian has 2 versions of the sdl package |
| 21:25.03 | JeffM2501 | an alsa and an oss one |
| 21:25.04 | Mathiaz | ho ho |
| 21:25.09 | JeffM2501 | make sure you have the alsa one |
| 21:25.12 | Mathiaz | wait |
| 21:26.16 | brlcad | incredibly how many times kids ask others to "wait" these days .. i don't remember ever saying that much.. |
| 21:26.21 | Mathiaz | yes i got it |
| 21:26.25 | blast007 | also in regards to audio w/ alsa, there was an addition to the Linux README today |
| 21:26.29 | blast007 | http://bzflag.cvs.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag/README.Linux?r1=2.1&r2=2.2 |
| 21:26.37 | CBG | Does anyone here remember the plugin and/or bzfs mod where an admin could add and remove flags in-game..? A server was up for testing purposes, where everyone had permission to add and remove flags. |
| 21:27.13 | JeffM2501 | Mathiaz, yeah I'd try that hw thing |
| 21:27.21 | JeffM2501 | I have also heard people geting better sound out of OSS |
| 21:28.01 | JeffM2501 | CBG, there is a flag give command |
| 21:28.17 | CBG | That adds flags to the server? :/ |
| 21:28.22 | JeffM2501 | but I think if you mean to add them to the field, then that needs a bzfs mod |
| 21:28.32 | CBG | It's been done. I helped test it. |
| 21:28.47 | CBG | bzfs mod. ok thanks, JeffM2501. |
| 21:28.49 | JeffM2501 | I've personaly never heard of it |
| 21:28.56 | JeffM2501 | but I know what the API can do |
| 21:29.10 | CBG | I forget who did it, trepan, maybe? |
| 21:29.36 | JeffM2501 | or l4mr |
| 21:29.48 | brlcad | that would have likely been something he'd do.. and it probably would have required a bzfs mod |
| 21:29.49 | CBG | No, not L4m3r. |
| 21:29.58 | brlcad | bzfs allocates flags static on initialization |
| 21:30.07 | Mathiaz | thanks blast, it s better with hw:0 |
| 21:30.34 | brlcad | good timing |
| 21:30.57 | Mathiaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.15 | Mathiaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.16 | blast007 | brlcad: even with -s and +s set up? |
| 21:31.16 | brlcad | Mathiaz: feel free to report the bug to the SDL folks .. it seems to be some bug in their plughw also device implementation |
| 21:31.17 | JeffM2501 | me |
| 21:31.27 | JeffM2501 | oh no, I use an OS with one sound system that just seems to work |
| 21:31.36 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:32.05 | brlcad | blast007: possibly but it'd still require at least some minor mods on the server (unless that code has changed quite a bit since the last time I looked at it) |
| 21:32.08 | DTRemenak | actually windows has three sound systems, but they're transparently interlinked at the driver level... |
| 21:32.14 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:32.17 | orthox | hi |
| 21:32.27 | JeffM2501 | most drives just route it thru dsound now |
| 21:32.31 | JeffM2501 | even the winmm stuff |
| 21:32.31 | Mathiaz | i will wait the next debian package |
| 21:32.36 | Mathiaz | thanks |
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| 21:32.53 | DTRemenak | yeah, new drivers run everything through ds8...but that's a relatively recent development |
| 21:32.57 | JeffM2501 | so you get the mixing |
| 21:33.10 | JeffM2501 | well I just know it tends to work a lot more then alsa ;) |
| 21:33.22 | DTRemenak | well that's true enough :) |
| 21:34.07 | JeffM2501 | realy need to get bz to start using the hardware mixers |
| 21:35.37 | DTRemenak | openal :) |
| 21:35.57 | JeffM2501 | that is one possible lib |
| 21:36.37 | DTRemenak | it's mature, open, cross-platform, and broadly supported |
| 21:36.47 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 21:36.53 | DTRemenak | I'm not aware of any others which match that :) |
| 21:37.08 | JeffM2501 | as a lib probably not |
| 21:37.20 | JeffM2501 | I just don't know if openAL supports all the stuff direct sound does |
| 21:37.25 | JeffM2501 | like the eax environs |
| 21:37.28 | JeffM2501 | but I haven't looked |
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| 21:37.34 | DTRemenak | it does support eax |
| 21:37.38 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 21:37.40 | DTRemenak | creative was rather solidly behind it |
| 21:38.18 | ToughShooter | creative is uncreative in some products ;) |
| 21:38.20 | JeffM2501 | well if creative is behind it, most others will at elast support it |
| 21:38.31 | blast007 | creative killed A3D, then bought them out :( |
| 21:38.32 | JeffM2501 | you mean like there last 5 years of sound cards? ;) |
| 21:38.46 | blast007 | s/A3D/Aureal/ |
| 21:39.16 | JeffM2501 | I had an aureal card, man did it suck |
| 21:39.21 | ToughShooter | I meant the MP3/WMA players |
| 21:39.31 | blast007 | my Aureal card rocked |
| 21:39.42 | DTRemenak | I had an aureal card, liked it a great deal |
| 21:39.46 | blast007 | yeah |
| 21:39.48 | DTRemenak | their drivers were way better than creative's |
| 21:39.55 | blast007 | the A3D effects rocked |
| 21:40.15 | JeffM2501 | I was only able to get it to work in a few games |
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| 21:40.38 | JeffM2501 | I got one of those XFi cards, it went in prety easy, and sounds nice |
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| 21:41.19 | DTRemenak | EAX2 is basically A3D anyway |
| 21:41.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:41.34 | JeffM2501 | buying out companys is the way of the world |
| 21:41.49 | blast007 | well, they sued A3D first |
| 21:41.58 | blast007 | for "infringing patents" |
| 21:42.08 | DTRemenak | creative as a company is a bit anticompetitive/"evil" |
| 21:42.14 | DTRemenak | they make good stuff though |
| 21:42.24 | JeffM2501 | I'm not so sure on the "good" stuff |
| 21:42.29 | blast007 | I just won't buy any of their products |
| 21:42.43 | JeffM2501 | all the audigy 4 cards are just audigy 2 cards with new drivers |
| 21:42.56 | DTRemenak | yeah, but they still do processing on the card at least |
| 21:43.06 | DTRemenak | unlike every other sound card manufacturer out there |
| 21:43.10 | JeffM2501 | they do work tho |
| 21:43.14 | blast007 | DTRemenak: so does my Hercules card :) |
| 21:43.17 | ToughShooter | Hmm, I have absolutly no clue what my Macs use for sound |
| 21:43.21 | blast007 | even does MP3 decoding in hardware |
| 21:43.49 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, usualy it's chipset sound stuff, same as onboard on PC |
| 21:43.51 | DTRemenak | blast007: unless things have changed, hercules does hardware on the first two channels, and software on everything else |
| 21:44.06 | JeffM2501 | the intel macs are leting the intel chipset do it IIRC |
| 21:44.07 | DTRemenak | actually switches the whole card to software mode when you have more than two channels |
| 21:44.12 | blast007 | DTRemenak: hmm...I only use two anyway, but I'm not sure about that |
| 21:44.16 | blast007 | it's a 6.1 card |
| 21:44.30 | DTRemenak | things might have changed, too |
| 21:44.35 | blast007 | it's not a new card |
| 21:44.41 | blast007 | they don't make it anymore |
| 21:44.46 | DTRemenak | I know they did that when we were looking into them for our drama department |
| 21:44.56 | ToughShooter | Are there differences between "real" dedicated audio cards and chipset ones? |
| 21:45.00 | JeffM2501 | wow turtle beach still makes cards |
| 21:45.20 | blast007 | I mean, if someone wants a card for playing games, they're pretty much stuck with Creative |
| 21:45.20 | DTRemenak | turtle beach makes some good stuff, especially at the upper end. costs a fortune though... |
| 21:45.32 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, yeah usualy dedicated ones have dedicated hardware to process the sound, rather then using system board resoruces ( like the CPU ) |
| 21:45.49 | DTRemenak | any more, having a card does not guarantee hardware processing |
| 21:46.03 | DTRemenak | you really have to read carefully |
| 21:46.12 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, there "Riviera" card MSRPs for 30$ |
| 21:46.16 | DTRemenak | and nvidia put hardware processing on the chipset |
| 21:46.25 | DTRemenak | for soundstorm |
| 21:46.27 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 21:46.55 | DTRemenak | turtle beach's cheap stuff is just like everyone else's, last I checked...the expensive stuff is where it gets good |
| 21:47.18 | DTRemenak | course this is all information from two or three years ago |
| 21:47.26 | DTRemenak | haven't had cause to do market research since them |
| 21:47.30 | DTRemenak | then |
| 21:47.58 | JeffM2501 | I just wish that this mobo had the spdif out on the mobo not an external riser |
| 21:48.07 | JeffM2501 | was the only good thing about the gigabyte board |
| 21:53.49 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, your little UI frame class, would that work if used inside the actual in game hud? |
| 21:53.56 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 21:53.57 | JeffM2501 | or is it only for inside a menu pannel? |
| 21:54.01 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 21:54.13 | JeffM2501 | I may want to put all the extended info for observers in one |
| 21:54.16 | JeffM2501 | to make it purdy |
| 21:54.20 | DTRemenak | we use other HUDui controls directly in the game |
| 21:55.13 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:55.24 | JeffM2501 | I've also been trying to layout a new server list |
| 21:55.32 | JeffM2501 | but man is that a lot of info |
| 21:56.22 | DTRemenak | yeah it is |
| 21:56.24 | DTRemenak | I tried too |
| 21:56.37 | DTRemenak | couldn't find a succinct way to get everything displayed |
| 21:57.09 | JeffM2501 | I have an idea, but it'll be somewhat of a change from what we do now |
| 21:57.43 | JeffM2501 | and the addition of a scrollable list |
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| 21:58.39 | JeffM2501 | but I have to find the crash in this obj tool first :) |
| 21:59.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (CrackedGlass.h CrackedGlass.cxx): initial new files. separate out the cracked glass code into its own class. reduce the HUDRenderer beast a little bit and make it easier to work on the cracked glass algorithm. |
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| 22:00.12 | Guest465 | test |
| 22:00.40 | blast007 | test failed |
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| 22:01.34 | PuMpErNiCkLe | test crashed and burnt up in a gigantic fireball |
| 22:01.37 | Guest612 | test is OK ;P |
| 22:01.40 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.h HUDRenderer.cxx): refactor the cracked glass code into it's own CrackedGlass class, getting rid of the time-based stuff (it can be put internal if still useful) |
| 22:01.59 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Makefile.am: add the new CrackedGlass files to the build |
| 22:03.49 | orchid | CrackedGlass.cxx:92: error: ‘cerr’ is not a member of ‘std’ |
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| 22:05.17 | JeffM2501 | it's inside the bzflag's own GL stuff |
| 22:05.19 | JeffM2501 | the glbegin |
| 22:05.24 | JeffM2501 | it's a macro |
| 22:05.26 | JeffM2501 | looking now |
| 22:05.37 | brlcad | ahh |
| 22:05.47 | JeffM2501 | I'm guessing just order of headers, etcc |
| 22:05.57 | Theme97 | CGI:IRC!? |
| 22:05.59 | brlcad | bzfgl should include it on the condition |
| 22:06.02 | brlcad | it doesn't |
| 22:07.18 | JeffM2501 | other includes to it work |
| 22:07.19 | JeffM2501 | wiered |
| 22:08.01 | brlcad | most every file uses iostream.. i actually have no iostream usage |
| 22:08.09 | brlcad | (in that file) |
| 22:08.13 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/bzfgl.h: if we're compiling in DEBUG mode, we need iostream for std::cerr in the macro |
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| 22:09.04 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/MSVC/VC71/bzflag.vcproj: cracked glass for the masses |
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| 22:09.36 | Guest612 | HI CBG! |
| 22:09.42 | brlcad | could make all callers of glBegin have to include iostream, but seems easier to just have bzfgl do it for you |
| 22:09.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:10.21 | DTRemenak | I thought about fixing that, and then I looked at some related issues, and decided not to :) |
| 22:10.29 | DTRemenak | bzfgl is not included where it should be |
| 22:10.35 | DTRemenak | and is included many places it should not be |
| 22:11.17 | DTRemenak | essentially by adding iostream to bzfgl, we'll probably end up with compile failures in non-debug mode because people will add things that require iostream, without adding iostream includes |
| 22:12.01 | brlcad | DTRemenak: and they'll get sorted out as the non-debug compiles are performed, no? :) |
| 22:12.05 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:12.07 | DTRemenak | I suppose |
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| 22:13.06 | CBG | Hi Guest612. |
| 22:13.16 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/CrackedGlass.h: make the constructor/destructor protected.. don't need to actually create a CrackedGlass object, pretty much just a functionality wrapper right now. |
| 22:13.16 | DTRemenak | nice timing CBG |
| 22:13.21 | romfis | lol |
| 22:13.54 | romfis | CBG is low :P |
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| 22:14.07 | CBG | DTRemenak: hmm? |
| 22:14.11 | CBG | romfis: ? :( |
| 22:14.22 | DTRemenak | CBG: you said Hi to him after he had already left |
| 22:14.25 | romfis | Guest612 is going |
| 22:14.32 | CBG | Yeah, I lagged out. |
| 22:14.35 | brlcad | DTRemenak: another way to look at it.. the macro also calls assert() .. it would be really odd to have assert.h included everywhere there's a glBegin() |
| 22:14.53 | Theme97 | Does this mean that the cracked glass shall be randomized now? |
| 22:15.04 | CBG | I actually sent "Hi Guest612" right after he said hi to me. But I lost my internet connection for a few minutes and the message must have arrived late. |
| 22:15.06 | JeffM2501 | it just means it's in it's own file |
| 22:15.12 | JeffM2501 | so it can be made better later |
| 22:15.14 | JeffM2501 | easyer |
| 22:15.14 | Theme97 | Ah. |
| 22:15.16 | DTRemenak | brlcad: that is true |
| 22:16.24 | romfis | oh CBG |
| 22:16.25 | DTRemenak | I just figured if I fixed that, I'd have to fix all the places it was (or ought to have been) included, and was not (or ought not have been) too, so I left it :) |
| 22:16.49 | brlcad | :) |
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| 22:21.36 | Guest411eu | . |
| 22:21.54 | DTRemenak | .. |
| 22:21.55 | CBG | ... |
| 22:21.59 | romfis | .... |
| 22:22.02 | CBG | ..... |
| 22:22.07 | DTRemenak | ! |
| 22:22.10 | Guest411eu | ...... |
| 22:22.12 | CBG | !! |
| 22:22.20 | romfis | !!! |
| 22:22.23 | CBG | !!!! |
| 22:22.25 | Guest411eu | !!!!! |
| 22:22.27 | CBG | !!!!!! |
| 22:22.34 | purple_cow | *ahem* |
| 22:22.49 | a_meteorite | uh |
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| 22:30.34 | Skeeve | What could this mean? ar: models/tank/: Is a directory |
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| 22:32.16 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/MSVC/VC8/bzflag.vcproj: cracked glass for the REST of the masses |
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| 22:38.31 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 22:45.12 | orchid | hrmf, so that's where my router was plugged in |
| 22:50.08 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (33 files in 6 dirs): header cleanup, files missing iostream that use std::cout |
| 22:56.31 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/ (7 files in 4 dirs): header cleanup, files missing iostream that use std::cerr |
| 23:03.16 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 4 dirs): header cleanup, a bunch of files include iostream that don't actually use std::cout/std::cerr so remove |
| 23:07.06 | brlcad | there, somewhat repaired |
| 23:08.17 | brlcad | there should be some sort of a preprocessor/compiler flag for isolated symbol resolution and header inclusions |
| 23:10.22 | DTRemenak | I meant bzfgl proper, actually, not iostream...although that was needed too :) |
| 23:10.30 | trepan | CBG: it was in this patch, http://trepan.homelinux.net/flag-switches.txt |
| 23:10.48 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: how do you see the tank speed? |
| 23:11.48 | Birdie | ehm i see often speeds from above 25.0 |
| 23:11.56 | Birdie | how is that possible? |
| 23:12.20 | CBG | trepan: thanks! :) |
| 23:12.22 | blast007 | I had one that was consistent at 28 or so |
| 23:13.18 | CBG | trepan: is the actual code public? |
| 23:13.30 | trepan | no |
| 23:13.59 | JeffM2501 | Birdie, the server can have it set highter |
| 23:14.09 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, it's sent with every update |
| 23:14.18 | Birdie | and if not? |
| 23:14.24 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: but, what's the key to see it? |
| 23:14.26 | a_meteorite | where do I look? |
| 23:14.28 | JeffM2501 | did it turn red |
| 23:14.32 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, it's not a key |
| 23:14.39 | a_meteorite | I just compiled the latest CVS |
| 23:14.41 | JeffM2501 | you have to be observer |
| 23:14.44 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: then where is it? :) |
| 23:14.47 | a_meteorite | I am |
| 23:14.50 | JeffM2501 | and check your gui options menu |
| 23:15.01 | a_meteorite | oh! |
| 23:15.02 | a_meteorite | thanks |
| 23:15.16 | JeffM2501 | Birdie, if it turns yellow or red in the score then its faster then it should be |
| 23:15.20 | JeffM2501 | if it's white then it's normal |
| 23:15.26 | Birdie | it was yellow |
| 23:15.48 | Birdie | but with people i know for sure that dont cheat.. |
| 23:15.49 | JeffM2501 | then it is over normal |
| 23:15.54 | JeffM2501 | it can happen |
| 23:15.57 | JeffM2501 | it's a computed speed |
| 23:16.03 | DTRemenak | lag and rounding both contribute |
| 23:16.07 | JeffM2501 | ayeah |
| 23:16.13 | JeffM2501 | how much over 25 is it? |
| 23:16.19 | Birdie | 25.2 |
| 23:16.23 | Birdie | not much..but ya |
| 23:16.25 | JeffM2501 | that's notin |
| 23:16.32 | JeffM2501 | that's normal computation error |
| 23:16.38 | Birdie | from what speed do we need to start to care? |
| 23:16.47 | JeffM2501 | depends |
| 23:16.53 | JeffM2501 | I don't turn it red till 150% |
| 23:17.11 | JeffM2501 | as I keep telling people there is not one single thing too look at |
| 23:17.19 | JeffM2501 | you can't say "that number is big, he's cheating" |
| 23:17.34 | DTRemenak | but people will think that anyway, JeffM2501 |
| 23:17.39 | Birdie | yes |
| 23:17.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:17.49 | Birdie | they see its higher than normal, and the bitching will start |
| 23:18.26 | JeffM2501 | then they will have to learn to use the tool |
| 23:18.26 | JeffM2501 | or they will be made fools of |
| 23:40.51 | Skeeve | How can I find the admin/operator of a server? |
| 23:41.04 | a_meteorite | uh.. |
| 23:41.11 | Skeeve | No. Not you |
| 23:41.12 | a_meteorite | look in the server message? make guesses? ;) |
| 23:41.22 | a_meteorite | ask me :) |
| 23:41.27 | romfis | what for server? |
| 23:41.30 | JeffM2501 | /report |
| 23:41.59 | Skeeve | Okay... I'll go to the austrian server for /report |
| 23:42.00 | a_meteorite | I have a very general rule, if /report isn't enabled then it's not worth knowing :) |
| 23:42.30 | romfis | what? |
| 23:42.42 | a_meteorite | romfis: me or Skeeve? |
| 23:42.43 | romfis | what for austria server? |
| 23:42.47 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 23:42.58 | Skeeve | The one that's not in the list, currently |
| 23:43.04 | Skeeve | *wnc*at |
| 23:43.21 | romfis | ahhhhh |
| 23:43.25 | Skeeve | I don't remember theexact name |
| 23:43.43 | a_meteorite | I've never been to that one |
| 23:43.51 | Skeeve | It's visited constantly by a cheater named "Chrisopher Reeves Wheelchair" |
| 23:44.03 | Skeeve | Very annoying |
| 23:44.07 | a_meteorite | eek.. him |
| 23:44.15 | JeffM2501 | then pick a server that is better admined |
| 23:44.22 | Skeeve | I succeeded once in a poll-kick |
| 23:44.36 | a_meteorite | Skeeve: for a cheater, I recomment poll ban |
| 23:44.37 | Skeeve | But I like the map and the other players around |
| 23:44.39 | a_meteorite | *recommend |
| 23:45.05 | a_meteorite | I can host any map :) |
| 23:45.19 | Skeeve | I tried that once on another server and it told me I donÄt have the permission to |
| 23:45.37 | Skeeve | Hmmm... Haven't saved it yet |
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