| 00:00.03 | Legoguy | yeah, you should have seen the size of them BEFORE i set the high res tex repeat down to 2 (from 5) |
| 00:00.11 | DTRemenak | and yeah they're bigass bricks ;) |
| 00:00.34 | Legoguy | ah yeah you didnt change the repeats |
| 00:00.35 | JeffM2501 | probably want to put a couple more repeats in the image |
| 00:00.45 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 00:00.46 | JeffM2501 | like make it be a 2x2 |
| 00:00.51 | DTRemenak | that was strictly dropin |
| 00:00.59 | DTRemenak | can see all the shiny details though |
| 00:01.01 | JeffM2501 | you doing anisotropic DTRemenak ? |
| 00:01.07 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 00:01.12 | JeffM2501 | can you do aniso? |
| 00:01.24 | JeffM2501 | it'll help a lot with the dirt |
| 00:01.28 | DTRemenak | probably can |
| 00:01.31 | JeffM2501 | grass I mean |
| 00:01.34 | Legoguy | why? you lose detail, and if you can change the tex repeat in renderer, why repeat it more in the image |
| 00:01.44 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy, so it's a drop in ;) |
| 00:02.00 | JeffM2501 | and it's going to be scaled anyway |
| 00:02.12 | JeffM2501 | doubt the visual difrence will tell |
| 00:02.21 | Legoguy | bleh |
| 00:02.56 | Legoguy | since DTRemenak didn't set the max texture size to 1024 you can see the feeble attempt at downsizing the 1024 -> 512 in his pic |
| 00:03.05 | DTRemenak | anyway, your pngs work now, so my work is done :) |
| 00:03.13 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:03.19 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy, actualy that is due to filtering |
| 00:03.22 | JeffM2501 | he's not doing aniso |
| 00:03.40 | JeffM2501 | normal mips look like crap on faces that are paralell to the view |
| 00:03.45 | Legoguy | how come it does the same thing for me when i set it to the default 512 max texture size ;) |
| 00:03.52 | JeffM2501 | you doing aniso? |
| 00:04.09 | Legoguy | not through the bzflag options, but possibly through nvidia-settings, let me check |
| 00:04.12 | JeffM2501 | it may be a texture scale too |
| 00:04.16 | JeffM2501 | but aniso is the biger problem |
| 00:04.21 | JeffM2501 | it's in bzflag |
| 00:04.24 | JeffM2501 | just turn it on |
| 00:04.28 | JeffM2501 | if your card supports it |
| 00:04.33 | trepan | Legoguy: if you're feeling playful, http://66.70.170.53/Ryan/nrmphoto/nrmphoto.html |
| 00:04.44 | Legoguy | eheh yeah 8x af |
| 00:04.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah normal maps are where it's at ;) |
| 00:06.06 | trepan | for true coolness, need a depth map too |
| 00:06.29 | JeffM2501 | aww just laser scan it and ray trace it :) |
| 00:06.44 | trepan | (there are progs to pull them out of normal maps) |
| 00:07.09 | Legoguy | oooh |
| 00:07.38 | Legoguy | so what am i supposed to do, go out there in the middle of night, with a floodlight, and light the grass up from the 4 sides? :P |
| 00:07.43 | trepan | someone did it for Doom3, decent demo |
| 00:08.01 | Legoguy | yeah i see a lot of those maps in the pak files |
| 00:08.26 | trepan | parallax vs. relief (modded doom code) |
| 00:09.40 | Legoguy | and bz supports this? :/ |
| 00:09.50 | JeffM2501 | oh I'm sure some version does somewhere ;) |
| 00:09.57 | trepan | heh |
| 00:10.18 | JeffM2501 | the question is will anyone ever see it |
| 00:10.37 | Legoguy | brb, dinner |
| 00:10.47 | DTRemenak | http://www.swordofkahless.com/bzf-newtex2.png has max texture size of 1024 and 4x aniso |
| 00:11.04 | JeffM2501 | there ya go, no mud :) |
| 00:11.04 | trepan | the effect, prolly; the current code, doubtful |
| 00:11.33 | JeffM2501 | makes the box/ground border looks so sterile tho |
| 00:11.39 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 00:12.00 | JeffM2501 | photo textures realy make simple scenese show there artificial origin. |
| 00:12.15 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 00:12.32 | JeffM2501 | and butts |
| 00:12.56 | a_meteorite | and butts? ... |
| 00:13.01 | JeffM2501 | butts |
| 00:13.06 | DTRemenak | butts |
| 00:13.21 | a_meteorite | um. |
| 00:13.24 | a_meteorite | ok.. |
| 00:13.46 | JeffM2501 | left the new ones at home :( |
| 00:14.03 | JeffM2501 | guess I could just bust out a new one |
| 00:14.30 | JeffM2501 | ain't gonna be fast on this machine tho :( |
| 00:23.09 | JeffM2501 | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/Untitled2.png |
| 00:23.10 | JeffM2501 | butt |
| 00:28.48 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: woah, is this related to opencombat? http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/Shot0.jpg |
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| 00:32.49 | CBG | JeffM2501: you made that model of the foxy lady..? |
| 00:36.46 | JeffM2501 | CBG, no |
| 00:36.56 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, no |
| 00:37.01 | JeffM2501 | that's an old model anyway |
| 00:37.02 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 00:37.11 | JeffM2501 | there is a newer one that may |
| 00:37.25 | CBG | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/Untitled.png you mean? |
| 00:37.27 | JeffM2501 | CBG, sadly I did not make the model |
| 00:37.27 | a_meteorite | I wish you would give more info :P |
| 00:37.35 | CBG | JeffM2501: yeah, shame... |
| 00:37.48 | JeffM2501 | I am just trying to learn the software |
| 00:37.52 | JeffM2501 | and maybe make some tools for it |
| 00:38.01 | CBG | sweet |
| 00:40.23 | JeffM2501 | need a tool to move morph targets from one mesh to another to prevent pokethru |
| 00:40.29 | Legoguy | is there any desire to have visible lightning bolts show up in the sky when its raining, because i have PLENTY (and i mean 200+) lightning photographs... |
| 00:40.53 | Legoguy | that i took out my bedroom window, lol |
| 00:41.32 | JeffM2501 | it would probalby be better served by an animated effect |
| 00:41.39 | JeffM2501 | but it's not a bad idea |
| 00:42.02 | Legoguy | if not for anything else the photos would be a guide for an algorithm that generates a random strike |
| 00:42.16 | Legoguy | and ... ooooh, random tanks get struck and blown up, like a world weapon |
| 00:42.26 | Legoguy | haha now that would be cool |
| 00:42.27 | JeffM2501 | IIRC lightningin isn't totaly random |
| 00:42.36 | Legoguy | no not totally |
| 00:42.51 | a_meteorite | whoever is closest to the team flag ;) |
| 00:42.54 | Legoguy | lol |
| 00:42.57 | CBG | heh |
| 00:43.07 | JeffM2501 | there is code for lightning all over the net |
| 00:43.18 | Legoguy | ive seen a lot of different lightning types though |
| 00:43.21 | JeffM2501 | a simple white skyflash would be a good start |
| 00:43.34 | JeffM2501 | you want a silly tank game? or a weather simulator? ;) |
| 00:44.03 | Legoguy | my favorite is the type that starts at one spot and slowly (over about 100ms) spreads out like a spider web or a fan |
| 00:45.03 | Legoguy | http://turbogfx.homelinux.org/gallery/v/weather/lightning/2006-04-13/DSC_0123.JPG.html like that :P |
| 00:46.12 | Legoguy | but honestly now that i think about it things that would be cooler to have in bzflag are damage and collision :P |
| 00:46.54 | JeffM2501 | former ain't goanna happen |
| 00:47.14 | Legoguy | not like visible damage, like, 2-or-3 shots to kill |
| 00:47.41 | JeffM2501 | I know what you mean |
| 00:47.44 | JeffM2501 | stil |
| 00:47.49 | JeffM2501 | it's a nope |
| 00:47.52 | JeffM2501 | right from the big man |
| 00:48.03 | Legoguy | doh |
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| 00:49.50 | Legoguy | curious, was there any specific reason given? |
| 00:50.24 | JeffM2501 | the game is intended to be simple |
| 00:50.30 | JeffM2501 | something a 3-4 year old could pick up |
| 00:50.39 | JeffM2501 | but dificult to master due to strategy |
| 00:50.56 | Legoguy | not even a server option? :/ |
| 00:51.01 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 00:51.11 | JeffM2501 | that would be even worse |
| 00:51.20 | blast007 | Legoguy: you could always do a branch :) |
| 00:51.21 | JeffM2501 | you'd never know on what server what is happening :) |
| 00:51.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:51.25 | JeffM2501 | you could make a new game |
| 00:51.37 | JeffM2501 | basicly big gameplay changes like that make it not be bzflag anymore |
| 00:51.40 | JeffM2501 | damage |
| 00:51.44 | JeffM2501 | turing turrets |
| 00:51.47 | JeffM2501 | terrain |
| 00:51.49 | JeffM2501 | etc.. |
| 00:51.51 | Legoguy | forget turning turrets |
| 00:51.54 | Legoguy | too much work |
| 00:51.57 | a_meteorite | then it becomes a tank simulator |
| 00:52.05 | trepan | Legoguy: not really |
| 00:52.06 | JeffM2501 | or quake :) |
| 00:52.33 | Legoguy | well, having played witout them for such a long time it would be a bit different :P |
| 00:52.59 | Legoguy | although you're right, strategy on maps like ducati or hepcat would change drastically if damage was implemented |
| 00:53.16 | Mr_Molez | turning turrets could be optional by server settings :p |
| 00:53.18 | JeffM2501 | to compensate shot counts would go up |
| 00:53.28 | JeffM2501 | so it would become a frag fest |
| 00:53.38 | JeffM2501 | tim said no for the same reasons Mr_Molez |
| 00:53.46 | Mr_Molez | oh |
| 00:53.59 | JeffM2501 | basicly any changes have to still play like bzflag |
| 00:54.03 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: because then it would confuse the n00bs of what really is what? |
| 00:54.05 | JeffM2501 | inter tank collisionsa re a maybe |
| 00:54.07 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 00:54.17 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, no, because that's how he wants the game to be |
| 00:54.21 | JeffM2501 | it's as simple as that |
| 00:54.29 | a_meteorite | well, that makes sense too :) |
| 00:54.36 | JeffM2501 | it is HIS game |
| 00:54.37 | Legoguy | what would it do, just obstruct your movement, or cause you to die? |
| 00:54.45 | JeffM2501 | I'd just stop you |
| 00:54.48 | JeffM2501 | like you hit a box |
| 00:54.56 | JeffM2501 | why would a tank blow up on hitting another |
| 00:55.01 | Legoguy | thats my point |
| 00:55.03 | Legoguy | lol |
| 00:55.04 | JeffM2501 | that would make SR pointless |
| 00:55.24 | Mr_Molez | there is already a flag for that isn't there ? |
| 00:55.29 | JeffM2501 | SteamRoller |
| 00:55.29 | JeffM2501 | SR |
| 00:55.57 | Legoguy | i was going to say if damage was added, running into another tank would reduce your health, but thats out of the question i guess |
| 00:56.03 | Mr_Molez | then just make a server option to give everyone a certain flag to have that sort of game :P |
| 00:56.14 | JeffM2501 | you can do that with a plugin now |
| 00:56.18 | JeffM2501 | so have at it ;) |
| 00:56.29 | Legoguy | who me? |
| 00:56.33 | JeffM2501 | anyone |
| 00:56.38 | menotume | well .... |
| 00:56.48 | menotume | unless you want to see everyone's damage :) |
| 00:57.07 | JeffM2501 | demolition derby |
| 00:57.07 | Legoguy | lol |
| 00:57.11 | a_meteorite | blast007: suicide map! :) |
| 00:57.20 | JeffM2501 | in that map burrow is a bad flag :) |
| 00:57.26 | menotume | was that the one with the 1000 drive-tru pyramids ? |
| 00:57.27 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 00:57.49 | menotume | ah no, that was ST and SR |
| 01:00.08 | Legoguy | anyway intertank collision would help prevent the situation where you dont realize you're literally inside another team mate and fire a shot.. |
| 01:01.05 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 01:01.20 | JeffM2501 | at some point that can probably be put in |
| 01:01.28 | JeffM2501 | as it dosn't change the game play THAT much |
| 01:01.34 | JeffM2501 | and it's somewhat common sense |
| 01:01.44 | Legoguy | well except for the mad scramble at the base when the flag is cap'd |
| 01:01.50 | JeffM2501 | but then so is a hud that tells you "dude your aiming at a friend" |
| 01:02.28 | Legoguy | yeah, but thats almost useless too because everyone is moving all the time |
| 01:02.45 | JeffM2501 | it's still better then nothing |
| 01:02.54 | JeffM2501 | even if its' just a change in the color of the target |
| 01:03.02 | Legoguy | yeah |
| 01:03.15 | Legoguy | ooh or like the scope in the original bzflag changed angles |
| 01:03.19 | Legoguy | errrr |
| 01:03.20 | Legoguy | i mean |
| 01:03.23 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:03.24 | Legoguy | original battlezone |
| 01:03.58 | Legoguy | that would be cool, if it did that, changed angles inward for an enemy and outward for a friend |
| 01:04.28 | JeffM2501 | a color change would help too |
| 01:04.37 | JeffM2501 | since we arn't limited to a vector display ;) |
| 01:04.48 | Legoguy | yeah i remember battlezone also changed from dark green to bright green |
| 01:05.11 | Legoguy | but perhaps changing to the team color of the target would make sense |
| 01:05.20 | JeffM2501 | too complex |
| 01:05.29 | JeffM2501 | then you have to remember what team you are on |
| 01:05.34 | JeffM2501 | make a bad color and a good color |
| 01:05.47 | JeffM2501 | then in open FFA it's always the bad color ;) |
| 01:05.51 | Legoguy | as if the box isn't already your team color? |
| 01:06.01 | JeffM2501 | not many people know that |
| 01:06.05 | JeffM2501 | but I'd make a real crosshair |
| 01:06.08 | JeffM2501 | a real sight |
| 01:06.11 | Legoguy | yeah |
| 01:06.15 | JeffM2501 | that changed based on target IFF |
| 01:08.41 | Legoguy | sometimes i wonder if the shot sounds are appropriate for being glowing balls of .. energy |
| 01:08.56 | Legoguy | hard to contemplate what kind of sound they should be :/ |
| 01:09.04 | JeffM2501 | they should be a ping pong ball sound |
| 01:09.16 | Legoguy | ping pong... i have a ping pong table.. |
| 01:09.22 | JeffM2501 | tho in 2.1 they arn't bals anymore |
| 01:09.26 | JeffM2501 | not in experimental |
| 01:09.35 | Legoguy | yeah they're more like... bolts |
| 01:09.48 | Legoguy | ive been playing with 2.1 off and on |
| 01:09.54 | Legoguy | cvs* |
| 01:10.32 | Legoguy | nm, they're the same thing i guess, 2.2 will be the release version right :P |
| 01:11.06 | Legoguy | for some reason i dont think a ping pong ball would fit quite right :P |
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| 01:11.54 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 is dev for 2.2 |
| 01:11.59 | Legoguy | maybe a pneumatic projectile launcher of some sort, like the nerf gun that fires foam balls |
| 01:12.02 | JeffM2501 | odd for dev, even for releae |
| 01:12.26 | Legoguy | hmmmmmm gives me an idea, wheres that kid i sold that gun to.. |
| 01:13.28 | Legoguy | makes kind of a FWONK sound |
| 01:14.13 | Legoguy | you can hear the sound the tube makes too, which would be good for a barrel of a tank that fires such objects |
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| 04:38.22 | menotume | pyr0: ping |
| 04:38.42 | menotume | I certainly did NOT demand any of your changes |
| 04:39.07 | menotume | In fact, I told Molez that I had little interest in them, since I could do them myslef in about 30 mninutes |
| 04:39.23 | menotume | You better get your facts striaght before coming in here with that crap |
| 04:52.51 | pyr0 | menotume: pong |
| 04:53.25 | menotume | read your pm |
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| 05:15.56 | menotume | It would seem that my convo with Mr_Molez was not entirely communicated to pyr0, only 2 lines of it |
| 05:16.00 | menotume | err, 3 |
| 05:18.25 | cosmos | hrm |
| 05:24.21 | menotume | ~pyr0++ |
| 05:24.25 | menotume | ~Mr_Molez-- |
| 05:24.32 | menotume | :P |
| 05:30.54 | JeffM2501 | what.. molez not tell the entire story? who'd a thunk it ;) |
| 05:31.07 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:33.59 | menotume | http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/molezgpl.txt <== entire convo :) |
| 05:34.08 | menotume | not worth reading though :) |
| 05:35.05 | menotume | what was REALLY good though, was what DB said, which i won't repeat here |
| 05:44.52 | JeffM2501 | hmm, v for vendeta.. not a bad movie at all |
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| 08:18.46 | bsmntbombdood | How do I make a map? |
| 08:19.15 | Skeeve | Take a map editor and start creating one |
| 08:19.49 | bsmntbombdood | ... |
| 08:20.06 | bsmntbombdood | What's a good map editor? |
| 08:20.26 | Skeeve | I don't know. bzedit is one map editor |
| 08:21.46 | bsmntbombdood | That is only for windows |
| 08:22.10 | Skeeve | You didn't say you're not using windows |
| 08:22.20 | bsmntbombdood | I'm not using windows |
| 08:22.36 | Skeeve | So go to the forum and search ther |
| 08:22.43 | Skeeve | TBH: I don't use windows either |
| 08:22.58 | Skeeve | And I never created a map because bzedit is not for Mac |
| 08:24.45 | bsmntbombdood | ahh, here is one: http://www.icosaedro.it/bze/index.html |
| 08:25.39 | Skeeve | Have fun with it ;-) |
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| 13:17.20 | gsnedders | romfis: what's BZFlag.eu_Security? |
| 13:18.14 | romfis | hi is coming soon for my bzflag servers, the list is not ready... |
| 13:18.56 | romfis | *changes finding still instead of |
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| 13:52.06 | CBG | bzbb admins --> http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8687 |
| 13:57.40 | NTH | I don't think the bzbb admins will be interested in buy any of that stuff :-) |
| 13:57.56 | tokimi | sure? they have to deal with us after all |
| 13:59.09 | NTH | maybe then !!! |
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| 14:06.56 | Mr_Molez | ohhh ketamine nice :P |
| 14:07.08 | tokimi | there were some nice ones listed there... |
| 14:08.09 | tokimi | Mr_Molez: probably cheaper at the corner guy |
| 14:08.26 | Mr_Molez | .lt what country is that |
| 14:08.34 | tokimi | not a clue |
| 14:09.05 | Mr_Molez | lithuania |
| 14:09.09 | Mr_Molez | lol goda be cheap |
| 14:09.28 | tokimi | hmm, think of the mailing fee |
| 14:09.53 | Mr_Molez | :( |
| 14:11.08 | tokimi | exactly |
| 14:21.28 | Mr_Molez | hahah i got a reply |
| 14:21.46 | Mr_Molez | vicodin 7.5mg -$110 per 100 |
| 14:21.46 | Mr_Molez | Nubain 10mg/ml/amp x 40amps Price $ 190 |
| 14:21.46 | Mr_Molez | Nubain 20mg/ml/amp x 30amps Price $ 265 |
| 14:21.46 | Mr_Molez | Plus shipping to your country by DHL. Where are you from? |
| 14:22.01 | Mr_Molez | Thank you. ketamine(tablet form)- $150 per 100 tablet |
| 14:22.03 | Mr_Molez | ketamine(vial)- $115 per 10 vial |
| 14:22.05 | Mr_Molez | teheheheh |
| 14:22.33 | Mr_Molez | i thought it was a joke |
| 14:22.45 | Mr_Molez | can't believe he is actually advertising on bzflag forums and selling it |
| 14:23.00 | Mr_Molez | i think that needs to be removed fast, kids use bzflag forums |
| 14:24.03 | CBG | well DUH. |
| 14:24.18 | CBG | that's why I said what I said. |
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| 14:28.05 | Pimpi_ | what kind of drugs are vicodin. nubain and ketamine? |
| 14:28.16 | Mr_Molez | ketamine = same as lsd |
| 14:28.20 | Pimpi_ | ic |
| 14:28.24 | Mr_Molez | or rather same effects |
| 14:28.27 | Mr_Molez | its legal |
| 14:28.29 | Mr_Molez | but still :P |
| 14:28.56 | Mr_Molez | no idea about the rest :p |
| 14:29.31 | Pimpi_ | yet another way to make bz more colorful |
| 14:30.41 | Mr_Molez | what is bzflag.eu_cop ? |
| 14:30.52 | SportChick | vicodin is a pain killer - they prescribe it a lot for post surgical groups |
| 14:31.02 | SportChick | it's a group for a set of servers that aren't online yet |
| 14:31.07 | Mr_Molez | oh |
| 14:31.16 | TheBarron | ja, pain killer.. it's tylenol with hydrocodone |
| 14:31.35 | TheBarron | which is a narcotic |
| 14:33.06 | Mr_Molez | Pimpi_: http://www.talktofrank.com/ |
| 14:33.08 | Pimpi_ | well, i?m pretty sure it isn?t legal to sell or buy it in germany either unless prescribed |
| 14:33.48 | Mr_Molez | oh ketamine is illegal on the streets but they use it legaly in medicine i think :P |
| 14:34.16 | Mr_Molez | SportChick: u know what the servers will be called ? |
| 14:35.59 | SportChick | mol: I have no idea - ask romfis when you see him |
| 14:36.10 | Mr_Molez | k |
| 14:36.10 | SportChick | Mr_Molez: : I have no idea - ask romfis when you see him |
| 14:36.28 | Mr_Molez | you need to practice that tabbing :D |
| 14:36.30 | CBG | romfis was here an hour ago, Mr_Molez, your too late. :P |
| 14:36.36 | TheBarron | Anyone has a map they'd like a server for? Thinking about putting up a server, but dunno about what map(s) to do |
| 14:36.54 | Mr_Molez | TheBarron: do ahod ! :) |
| 14:37.01 | TheBarron | URL? |
| 14:37.08 | Pimpi_ | some teenage boys died from sniffing butane or propane gas in germany recently |
| 14:37.12 | Mr_Molez | and make the bzfs code to go with it :P |
| 14:37.19 | CBG | Pimpi_: oh, wow |
| 14:37.24 | Mr_Molez | TheBarron: it aint been released |
| 14:37.31 | CBG | TheBarron: I think trepan is the dude to speak to about AHOD. |
| 14:37.31 | TheBarron | Pimpi_: raising the average IQ in Germany.. |
| 14:37.40 | TheBarron | what is AHOD? |
| 14:37.57 | Mr_Molez | u dont know what ahod is ! ? |
| 14:38.03 | CBG | All Hand On Deck |
| 14:38.05 | Mr_Molez | omg its only the best map ever |
| 14:38.07 | CBG | search the bzbb |
| 14:38.25 | TheBarron | sorry.. the time I waste on bz has generally been PLAYING :) |
| 14:38.38 | CBG | :) |
| 14:38.59 | TheBarron | google to the rescue |
| 14:39.34 | Mr_Molez | i could prolly get a pic if u wanna see it |
| 14:39.35 | TheBarron | sounds kinda dumb :) |
| 14:39.39 | Pimpi_ | TheBarron: meanie ;) |
| 14:39.50 | TheBarron | Mr_Molez: the pic in the thread is apparently dead |
| 14:39.53 | Mr_Molez | yeh |
| 14:39.55 | TheBarron | Pimpi_: heh |
| 14:40.50 | CBG | TheBarron: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=6449 if you didnt find it already |
| 14:41.22 | TheBarron | ya, found it.. thus "google to the rescue" ;) but the pic link is dead |
| 14:41.31 | TheBarron | thanks though |
| 14:42.08 | Mr_Molez | 1 sec ill get a pic |
| 14:42.23 | TheBarron | seems like a clan/league type of idea |
| 14:43.09 | CBG | yeah, I said so in my post in that topic |
| 14:43.17 | CBG | I was the "Guest"... |
| 14:45.54 | Mr_Molez | http://openleague.org/ahod/bzfi0001.png |
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| 14:46.31 | TheBarron | hrm.. weird |
| 14:46.36 | CBG | that doesn't do it justice AT all. |
| 14:46.40 | Mr_Molez | i know :( |
| 14:46.49 | Mr_Molez | normally the floor aint green |
| 14:46.55 | Mr_Molez | its a nice creamy colour |
| 14:48.12 | bryjen | with that radar, you're actually looking at the floor? ;) |
| 14:48.26 | bryjen | s/looking at/paying attention to/ |
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| 14:48.45 | Mr_Molez | i never use the hud |
| 14:48.47 | Mr_Molez | i just use radar |
| 14:49.02 | CBG | brad`: ! |
| 14:49.05 | Mr_Molez | no need for hud in ducati :P |
| 14:49.19 | brad` | cbg |
| 14:49.41 | CBG | how is it brad` ? |
| 14:50.16 | brad | it is fine cbg |
| 14:51.01 | Mr_Molez | brad: still on holiday ? |
| 14:51.16 | brad | yup |
| 14:51.21 | Mr_Molez | brad: u take ur phone with u ? |
| 14:51.28 | brad | no |
| 14:51.30 | Mr_Molez | aww |
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| 15:00.54 | A-Delusion | ... with my progressive flag plugin, I'm getting those flag mismatch kicks... I've noticed that when a player has theif, and steals a flag, there is usually a shot mismatch there, and it does NOT result in a kick. Can I learn anything there? |
| 15:01.43 | A-Delusion | why does theif Not result in a kick, while other flags do? |
| 15:02.38 | A-Delusion | can I perhaps patch something together to kill mismatch kicks? |
| 15:06.51 | blast007 | A-Delusion: I belive there is a special exception for TH in the code |
| 15:07.10 | A-Delusion | can I enable that exception for all flags? |
| 15:07.22 | blast007 | or you could just take out the kick :P |
| 15:07.46 | A-Delusion | that would certainly eliminate shot-flag mismtch kicks. |
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| 15:08.07 | blast007 | or set up a delay between when they get a new flag, and don't kick for X seconds |
| 15:08.34 | A-Delusion | yeah, i think we're using our current delay, in the wrong way |
| 15:08.54 | A-Delusion | it's just a simple timer that counts ticks, now |
| 15:09.12 | blast007 | which really isn't a timer ;) |
| 15:09.12 | cosmos | You have been added to the "BZFlag.eu_Security" group on Official forums for BZFlag.org. |
| 15:09.16 | cosmos | whats this |
| 15:09.27 | A-Delusion | romfis |
| 15:11.31 | cosmos | romfis has a server? |
| 15:16.04 | ToughShooter | Well, he added me twice to that group, too and I have no clue why he did it |
| 15:18.43 | CBG | I wouldn't worry about it. |
| 15:19.02 | CBG | Often I have been added to .cop groups or some such thing with no reason given... |
| 15:22.56 | CBG | This guy spammed about 50 posts about a week ago, he is back and posting rude/vulgar crap... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=18041 |
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| 15:23.38 | CBG | I suggest you do NOT look at his post and DEFIANTLY do not visit his "website". |
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| 15:24.01 | Birdie | of course you visitted it.. |
| 15:24.10 | blast007 | heh |
| 15:24.12 | RatOmeter | but, but... I always click on every link! |
| 15:24.17 | CBG | ssshhhh Birdie :P |
| 15:24.45 | TheRedBaron | rat0meter? really? |
| 15:24.47 | TheRedBaron | sweet :D |
| 15:25.32 | TheRedBaron | now, on the risk of being redundant |
| 15:25.33 | SportChick | ~lart TheRedBaron |
| 15:25.33 | TheRedBaron | bzbb admins - http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=87907&highlight=#87907 |
| 15:25.33 | TheRedBaron | spam? |
| 15:25.42 | tokimi | TheRedBaron: CBG This guy spammed about 50 posts about a week ago, he is back and posting rude/vulgar crap... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=18041 |
| 15:25.42 | Birdie | a little:) |
| 15:25.46 | tokimi | oh |
| 15:25.51 | tokimi | different kind of redundant |
| 15:25.53 | SportChick | that guy is such a trouble maker - wish he could just be banned |
| 15:26.18 | TheRedBaron | so I was redundant |
| 15:26.26 | CBG | TheRedBaron: I tried NOT to link directly to the bad language... |
| 15:26.42 | TheRedBaron | ~lart theredbaron |
| 15:26.51 | tokimi | ~lart TheBarron |
| 15:28.12 | Birdie | he registered on the league site to |
| 15:30.00 | TheRedBaron | mind reading software? yikes |
| 15:35.46 | TheBarron | hey.. What'd *I* do? |
| 15:35.56 | TheBarron | :) |
| 15:36.07 | TheRedBaron | TheBarron: guilty by association |
| 15:36.12 | TheBarron | What does a person do to get a server listed, anyway? (once I decide on a map) |
| 15:36.27 | TheBarron | TheRedBaron: but there's TWO r's in my barron. Doesn't anyone ever read? :) |
| 15:36.33 | blast007 | TheBarron: they fight to stay above the other 200 servers |
| 15:37.02 | TheBarron | no matter.. If I have to be associated with someone, I suppose you're good. At least from what I hear. However, you should be ashamed to be associated with me |
| 15:37.29 | TheBarron | blast007: well.. what do I do to get on it in the first place? :) |
| 15:37.32 | TheRedBaron | TheBarron: http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzfs.6.in |
| 15:37.55 | TheBarron | just the advertise flag? |
| 15:38.38 | TheRedBaron | -advertise all - I think |
| 15:39.20 | blast007 | no, you don't need that... |
| 15:39.49 | TheRedBaron | yea you don't |
| 15:39.53 | blast007 | -public, -publicaddr |
| 15:39.58 | TheRedBaron | exactly |
| 15:40.13 | TheRedBaron | I believe its just -publicaddr address[:port] |
| 15:42.09 | TheRedBaron | i don't think it uses -public anymore |
| 15:43.09 | blast007 | uh, no, it does :) |
| 15:43.32 | blast007 | -public sets the description on the list |
| 15:43.53 | RatOmeter | oh, and get your server listed near the top of the list by having a good/fun map... not by filling it with bots :| |
| 15:44.06 | TheRedBaron | blast007: oh, dumb me :) |
| 15:44.27 | TheRedBaron | TheBarron: you sure you want to be associated with me now? ;0 |
| 15:44.29 | TheRedBaron | :) |
| 15:44.56 | TheBarron | RatOmeter: bots are stupid |
| 15:45.42 | TheBarron | TheBarron: np.. it doesn't really make sense, even in the docs. There's no "-public" flag listed, until you read the "-publicaddr" flag, which says it only has an effect when used with -public..... uh.. |
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| 15:48.23 | Mr_Molez | ~dns brad.bzflag.org |
| 15:48.39 | blast007 | the web man page is messed up, so it's best to use 'man bzfs' on your system |
| 15:49.01 | blast007 | since it DOES list -public on there, but on the web page it's indented wrong |
| 15:49.07 | blast007 | it's just before the -publicaddr |
| 15:49.08 | TheBarron | so does anyone else sometimes have 2.0.8 freeze and die on them? |
| 15:49.18 | TheRedBaron | TheBarron: yup |
| 15:49.44 | TheBarron | blast007: ah, I see now |
| 15:50.00 | TheBarron | TheRedBaron: leaves my screen that cute washed out color, too |
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| 15:57.35 | TheRedBaron | TheBarron: doesn't do that for me. I just have to give it the three finger salute |
| 15:58.18 | SportChick | hi JeffM2501 |
| 15:58.31 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: good news :) |
| 15:58.50 | TheRedBaron | Some brand new spam on bzbb awaiting your loving attention |
| 16:00.12 | TheBarron | TheRedBaron: I'm talking about after the three finger |
| 16:06.14 | TheBarron | so.. you folks who play by radar only (which I've mostly switched to)... do you get your ass kicked by stealth, or what? :) |
| 16:06.49 | TheBarron | err... your butt kicked, I mean :) |
| 16:06.58 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:08.06 | TheRedBaron | TheBarron: nope, mostly is jamming that kicks my butt :) |
| 16:08.10 | TheRedBaron | *its |
| 16:08.15 | TheBarron | heh |
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| 16:08.36 | TheRedBaron | when I see shots appearing from nowhere, that usually clues me in :) |
| 16:08.43 | TheBarron | so how is it you cope? just peripheral vision to the hud, or what? |
| 16:08.45 | TheBarron | well sure.. |
| 16:09.01 | TheBarron | but I mean, say I'm staring you in the face, haven't fired yet. Do you see me? :) |
| 16:09.02 | TheRedBaron | make sure they are empty, and then use your HUD |
| 16:09.18 | TheRedBaron | peripheral vision, yes |
| 16:09.38 | TheRedBaron | and if you have lighting on, and shadows on, you can spot where they will land if they jump |
| 16:09.45 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 16:09.46 | blast007 | a true Jedi uses the force to see ST players |
| 16:09.57 | blast007 | trust your instinct! |
| 16:11.09 | TheBarron | shadows! |
| 16:12.53 | TheRedBaron | TheBarron, or if you're either really good, or really lucky, you can guestimate where they will land, and time your shots that way :) |
| 16:13.23 | TheRedBaron | but i prefer shadows |
| 16:13.24 | TheBarron | I didn't have shadows on. So when they're close and jump, and st, you're screwed with the guessing bit. Which I suck at anyway |
| 16:13.38 | menotume | JeffM2501: HI and pm :) |
| 16:15.08 | JeffM2501 | ahh what a joy to come towork to :) |
| 16:15.40 | Birdie | thats why you love your work |
| 16:16.29 | JeffM2501 | ohhhh yeah |
| 16:16.56 | JeffM2501 | I just REALY wish people wouldn't feed the spammers and trolls |
| 16:17.30 | menotume | If I install bzflag on my computer, can i play the game ? |
| 16:17.39 | menotume | what IS bzflag ? |
| 16:18.24 | tokimi | tr0ll: you ARE a troll :) |
| 16:18.25 | TheBarron | bzflag? I'm just here for the chicks! |
| 16:18.36 | tr0ll | can I meet chicks on there ? |
| 16:18.43 | tokimi | :P |
| 16:18.57 | tr0ll | ~detroll tr0ll |
| 16:19.07 | JeffM2501 | tr0ll, I'll have to look at your stuff later |
| 16:19.18 | menotume | nnp, i'm gone for a couple of hours |
| 16:21.00 | TheRedBaron | ~feed tr0ll |
| 16:21.02 | ibot | ACTION offers tr0ll some herring |
| 16:22.25 | JeffM2501 | there we go, all taken care of |
| 16:23.02 | TheRedBaron | ~hail JeffM2501 |
| 16:23.03 | ibot | ACTION bows down to JeffM2501 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 16:23.25 | JeffM2501 | too much sugar tooday TheRedBaron ? |
| 16:23.40 | JeffM2501 | snickers are not a breakfast food ;) |
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| 16:27.15 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: caffiene :) |
| 16:27.24 | JeffM2501 | I see |
| 16:28.05 | TheRedBaron | ever grab the first cup of coffee? before its done percolating? |
| 16:28.11 | TheRedBaron | good stuff :D |
| 16:29.58 | JeffM2501 | coffee is evil |
| 16:30.06 | JeffM2501 | and prety freaking nasty |
| 16:30.13 | TheRedBaron | what? |
| 16:30.16 | TheRedBaron | heretic! |
| 16:30.20 | JeffM2501 | you can read ;) |
| 16:30.28 | TheRedBaron | ~burn JeffM2501 the heretic |
| 16:30.30 | ibot | ibot pours gasoline all over JeffM2501 the heretic, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 16:30.37 | JeffM2501 | I just don't like the smell of it |
| 16:30.56 | JeffM2501 | mabye a mint chip mocha once in a while |
| 16:30.59 | TheRedBaron | ok, you're strange :) |
| 16:31.07 | TheRedBaron | its supposed to be the converse |
| 16:31.10 | JeffM2501 | I prefer the term "unique" :) |
| 16:31.20 | TheRedBaron | alot of people love the smell, but can't stand the taste |
| 16:31.39 | JeffM2501 | well the tast goes along with the smell |
| 16:31.43 | JeffM2501 | taste |
| 16:32.32 | JeffM2501 | I like a number of teas |
| 16:32.35 | JeffM2501 | green tea rocks |
| 16:32.47 | JeffM2501 | real green tea that is |
| 16:35.02 | TheRedBaron | ug |
| 16:35.17 | TheRedBaron | you need a boston revolution |
| 16:35.34 | JeffM2501 | no thanks, I live in the future ;) |
| 16:36.56 | TheRedBaron | heh :) |
| 16:40.23 | JeffM2501 | I have a robot vacum cleaner, and I cary 500+ hours of music in my pants... how can it NOT be the future. |
| 16:42.02 | CBG | 500+ hours of LEGAL music, JeffM2501 ? :) |
| 16:42.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah actualy I own most of it |
| 16:42.22 | JeffM2501 | Itunes makes it REAL easy to buy |
| 16:42.37 | JeffM2501 | and I've been ripping all my CDs for like 8 years now |
| 16:43.13 | JeffM2501 | some I had to use P2P stuff to get cus it's too hard to buy |
| 16:43.16 | JeffM2501 | or just wierd |
| 16:43.23 | TheRedBaron | or obscure |
| 16:43.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:43.30 | CBG | well, props. |
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| 16:43.36 | JeffM2501 | german salor moon theme song... not exactly at best buy |
| 16:43.45 | CBG | I'll admit I'm not one for 'buying' music. |
| 16:43.59 | CBG | But then, I ain't got 10% as much as you. |
| 16:44.00 | JeffM2501 | your cashflow is probalby less |
| 16:44.17 | CBG | What cashflow? |
| 16:44.18 | Mr_Molez | the # to |
| 16:44.21 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 16:44.38 | cosmos | the RIAA now condones beheadings for music piracy |
| 16:44.44 | JeffM2501 | I rather like the online services like itunes and yahoo music |
| 16:44.52 | JeffM2501 | they make it REALY easy to get stuff |
| 16:44.55 | JeffM2501 | and it's reasonable |
| 16:45.04 | CBG | Lastest CD I have was a present - the "Wallace and Gromit: Curse of the Ware Rabbit Soundtrack". |
| 16:45.18 | JeffM2501 | not there best work |
| 16:45.33 | CBG | heh. Some good stuff... |
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| 16:46.07 | Mr_Molez | i dont think i have ever bought a piece of music in my life |
| 16:46.18 | TheRedBaron | why buy the cd when you only want 2-3 tracks out of 12? |
| 16:46.51 | CBG | Maybe you didn't hear all the tracks? |
| 16:47.06 | CBG | You might find others there that you like, that you wouldn't have found otherwise... |
| 16:47.17 | TheRedBaron | i'm not that curious :) |
| 16:47.32 | CBG | Though I just search for the artist/band name on Limewire and get all the songs listed. :P |
| 16:48.34 | TD-Linux | eww |
| 16:48.40 | TD-Linux | Limewire is evil |
| 16:49.59 | cosmos | i prefer kiwiwire |
| 16:53.22 | Birdie | why is limewire bad |
| 16:53.59 | TD-Linux | I don't like it ;) |
| 16:54.17 | Mr_Molez | apollo is where its at |
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| 16:55.49 | SportChick | hey Theme97 |
| 16:55.55 | Theme97 | hihi |
| 16:58.07 | Theme97 | eek, AIM! |
| 16:58.58 | TD-Linux | you're on it too :) |
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| 19:03.34 | Mr_Molez | ~onjoin Gnurdux 221 |
| 19:09.12 | Mr_Molez | ~dict douche |
| 19:12.06 | blast007 | in Webster's, you see a picture of Mr_Molez |
| 19:12.50 | Mr_Molez | dare i ask why you know that :P |
| 19:27.27 | dngor | Hmm... sourceforge cvs having problems? Anonymous checkout stalls after "U bzflag/tools/modeltool/vc71/modeltool.sln" ... twice so far. |
| 19:28.18 | Mr_Molez | dngor: get the source from bzflag.org cvs |
| 19:28.21 | Mr_Molez | ~bzcvs |
| 19:28.23 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag (this is for HEAD ie: 2.1 see also bz20cvs) |
| 19:28.39 | dngor | Oh. |
| 19:29.42 | blast007 | Mr_Molez: that points to SF ;) |
| 19:29.54 | Mr_Molez | oh haha |
| 19:29.57 | Mr_Molez | really ? |
| 19:29.57 | blast007 | and that is HEAD, not 2.0.x |
| 19:30.17 | Mr_Molez | yeh it says its for head right there :P |
| 19:30.45 | Mr_Molez | thats the use of having something that points right back to sf ? |
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| 19:30.50 | Mr_Molez | sillyness and confusing :p |
| 19:31.05 | dngor | host says it's an alias for a sf.net subdomain. |
| 19:31.05 | blast007 | cuz it will always point to the right name |
| 19:31.05 | blast007 | SF sometimes changes things |
| 19:31.08 | blast007 | or we might move to our own system |
| 19:31.13 | blast007 | etc etc |
| 19:31.25 | dngor | Fair enough. If you do, mind also doing cvs2svn? :) |
| 19:31.46 | blast007 | yeah, I think we plan on moving to subversion eventually |
| 19:31.53 | blast007 | ~bz20cvs |
| 19:31.56 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 19:32.11 | blast007 | that's the one you want for a compatible version :) |
| 19:32.21 | dngor | My wee little project only has 2000 commits... cvs2svn worked nicely with it once I cleaned up some tag issues. |
| 19:48.39 | JeffM2501 | we are going to move to svn when we can |
| 19:48.47 | JeffM2501 | when SF lets us |
| 19:49.50 | JeffM2501 | ugg this new keyboard makes for wierdness :( |
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| 19:54.39 | blast007 | JeffM2501: it's not one of those "natural" keyboards, is it? |
| 19:54.44 | JeffM2501 | it is' |
| 19:54.51 | blast007 | heh... |
| 19:55.16 | Mr_Molez | just dont buy one of those sexy flexible keyboards, they may look nice but impossible to type with :P |
| 19:55.26 | ToughShooter | "natural"? |
| 19:55.33 | QuantumBeep | Hehe "natural" hehe |
| 19:55.37 | JeffM2501 | oh I can imagine |
| 19:55.41 | JeffM2501 | the split ones |
| 19:55.54 | ToughShooter | What is a "natural" one? |
| 19:56.30 | JeffM2501 | one that is split in the middlke |
| 19:56.33 | JeffM2501 | and tilted up |
| 19:56.46 | JeffM2501 | so your hands stay at a more natural angle |
| 19:57.06 | blast007 | http://www.usbman.com/Reviews/MS%20Nat1.jpg like that |
| 19:57.19 | ToughShooter | Eeek |
| 19:57.24 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:57.35 | blast007 | supposed to be easier on your hands |
| 19:57.44 | Mr_Molez | uhh. eww |
| 19:57.57 | Mr_Molez | omg that must decrease your wpm by alot |
| 19:58.01 | JeffM2501 | it does |
| 19:58.04 | ToughShooter | I would say it is harder to type something with this kind of keyboards |
| 19:58.04 | JeffM2501 | till I learn it |
| 19:58.11 | JeffM2501 | I'm testing it |
| 19:58.15 | JeffM2501 | have a flat too |
| 19:58.22 | TheRedBaron | I have one of those |
| 19:58.28 | TheRedBaron | its a pain |
| 19:58.40 | TheRedBaron | t y 5 and 6 are messed up |
| 19:58.43 | blast007 | my boss has one |
| 19:58.45 | ToughShooter | I use the "natural" angle with my flat keyboard, easy work :) |
| 19:58.56 | blast007 | and when I have to work on her computer, I can't type my usual lightning speed |
| 19:58.59 | TheRedBaron | same |
| 19:59.11 | blast007 | I have to actually look where I'm typing :/ |
| 19:59.22 | JeffM2501 | http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/images/ErgonomicKeyboard.jpg |
| 19:59.27 | JeffM2501 | that is what I have now |
| 19:59.46 | ToughShooter | bad design, imho |
| 19:59.53 | blast007 | yeah, that's the exact one my boss has ;) |
| 20:00.09 | JeffM2501 | so far it isn't too bad |
| 20:00.13 | blast007 | I didn't bother installing the software, so not all of the extra buttons work |
| 20:00.21 | JeffM2501 | mostly I have to get used to it, and count the times I crack my wrists |
| 20:00.23 | ToughShooter | though I can not describe it in english why it is bad :/ |
| 20:00.29 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 20:00.41 | ToughShooter | Not knowing the right words for it in this language |
| 20:00.43 | JeffM2501 | it's difrent, many people just fear difrent |
| 20:01.10 | ToughShooter | different itself isn't bad by definition |
| 20:01.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:01.41 | JeffM2501 | I haven't found anything glaringly BAD yet |
| 20:01.56 | JeffM2501 | I used to use the flat version of the same one |
| 20:02.04 | JeffM2501 | so I have all the same buttons |
| 20:05.30 | blast007 | and is it me, or do most of the optical/laser mice on the market today suck? |
| 20:06.03 | QuantumBeep | Yeah, probably with the exception of some of the Logitech ones. |
| 20:06.43 | JeffM2501 | intelemouse optical 1.1 all the way |
| 20:06.50 | JeffM2501 | 5 buttons of goodness |
| 20:07.45 | QuantumBeep | ...doesn't that fool like to go wonky if you move it too fast? |
| 20:07.56 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:08.17 | JeffM2501 | never had a problem with it on any game |
| 20:08.30 | JeffM2501 | cept when you have a glass or shiny table |
| 20:08.37 | JeffM2501 | then all opticals suck |
| 20:10.37 | QuantumBeep | True laser mice can even handle mirrors. |
| 20:10.38 | JeffM2501 | gaming is where this keybard may suck |
| 20:11.08 | JeffM2501 | as you often use the left hand for all keys, while right stays on the mouse |
| 20:11.52 | JeffM2501 | I've never had good luck with the logitechs |
| 20:11.54 | JeffM2501 | I own some |
| 20:12.08 | JeffM2501 | MS does not make bad input devices |
| 20:12.46 | ToughShooter | The mice from "MS" are manufactored by logitech as far as I know |
| 20:12.46 | JeffM2501 | and I'm not big on the old school "clikcy" sound so I don't look at other brands |
| 20:13.21 | JeffM2501 | IIRC MS has there own OEM, it's not logitch, but they do supply both companys |
| 20:13.58 | QuantumBeep | This is not to indicate that Logitech and MS mice are the same, because they are most certainly not. |
| 20:14.01 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure the guts of both mice are made at the same place, but I'm not sure if MS or logitech owns that company :) |
| 20:14.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:14.15 | JeffM2501 | the logitechs are often thiner |
| 20:14.22 | JeffM2501 | and don't seem to fit my hand |
| 20:14.28 | JeffM2501 | or have WAY too many buttons |
| 20:14.36 | JeffM2501 | like that MS explorer mouse, it's evil |
| 20:15.10 | JeffM2501 | I changed to MS keyboards when they made one that had 2 USB ports in it |
| 20:15.36 | ToughShooter | I have had a mouse man optical and nowadays I use an MX 1000..no problems |
| 20:15.38 | JeffM2501 | from then on I've been used to thelayout |
| 20:18.20 | JeffM2501 | I do find it funny how in the span of about a year and a half all the stuff for my work PC went from white/beige to now black and silver |
| 20:19.51 | JeffM2501 | guess corporate america always falls prey to Dell's design choices |
| 20:24.37 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Even Apple. :o |
| 20:24.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:25.01 | JeffM2501 | the new dell.. I mean macbook |
| 20:25.23 | ToughShooter | That's a hot machine |
| 20:25.32 | JeffM2501 | can cook an egg |
| 20:25.48 | ToughShooter | I tested it...don't use it on your laps :/ |
| 20:25.59 | TheRedBaron | I love logitech |
| 20:31.05 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: Have you tried the new zero tension mouse as profiled in yesterday's user friendly? |
| 20:31.34 | JeffM2501 | I don't read userfriendly so I don't know what your talking about |
| 20:32.14 | JeffM2501 | oh the vertical ones? |
| 20:32.30 | JBdiGriz | It's a vertical mouse, and I never had heard about it until I read about it there. |
| 20:32.38 | JeffM2501 | I've seen some reviews on them |
| 20:32.46 | JeffM2501 | we have none here |
| 20:33.11 | JeffM2501 | most reviews say it dosn't do much for the hand, and it's odd to have to roate your wrist to move from keyboard to mouse |
| 20:33.26 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: do you like trackballs? |
| 20:33.28 | JeffM2501 | if you just did mouse all day, I coudl see it maybe |
| 20:33.42 | JeffM2501 | no I do not, I can't get precise controll of the cursor with them |
| 20:33.47 | JeffM2501 | can't draw with em :) |
| 20:33.51 | TheRedBaron | ewww |
| 20:33.58 | JeffM2501 | makes me think I'm playing centepied :) |
| 20:34.10 | TheRedBaron | you use the mouse to draw? |
| 20:34.18 | JeffM2501 | sometimes |
| 20:34.44 | JeffM2501 | some PS tools work better with the mouse |
| 20:34.54 | JeffM2501 | others better with a stylus |
| 20:35.07 | JeffM2501 | selections are best with mouse, etcc |
| 20:35.18 | JeffM2501 | where you want per pixel accuracy |
| 20:35.44 | JeffM2501 | with a mouse I can let my fingers rub the table to increase friction when I need it for better mouse controll |
| 20:36.05 | JeffM2501 | and trackballs == visible finger gunk :) |
| 20:36.07 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 20:36.47 | TheRedBaron | yea |
| 20:36.48 | JeffM2501 | JBdiGriz, IIRC there was a /. post that pointed to a review of them about a month ago. |
| 20:36.50 | TheRedBaron | you are "unique" |
| 20:37.02 | JeffM2501 | I use what works best for me :) |
| 20:37.07 | TheRedBaron | same here |
| 20:37.14 | TheRedBaron | and trackballs work like a dream for me :) |
| 20:37.19 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:37.35 | JeffM2501 | a couple people here use em |
| 20:37.57 | TheRedBaron | I find them better than gaming mice - but that could be me and my own uniqueness |
| 20:38.09 | JeffM2501 | gaming mice are a joke:) |
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| 20:39.22 | TheRedBaron | good, I'm not the only one who thinks that :) |
| 20:39.40 | JeffM2501 | the worst was the "gaming mousepad" |
| 20:39.45 | TheRedBaron | lo |
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| 20:52.45 | blast007 | I use this mouse: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002CPBWI/102-7815472-6071302?n=172282 |
| 20:53.12 | blast007 | for the price I paid, I can't find another mouse that works as well and has the feel I want |
| 20:53.39 | blast007 | works on every surface I've put it on |
| 20:53.49 | blast007 | none of the jumping around the screen like a few I tried |
| 20:55.17 | blast007 | it's not really suited for a desktop system though, since the off switch is trigged by snapping the wireless receiver into the mouse |
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| 21:29.46 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: want to do loads of work ? |
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| 21:30.53 | JeffM2501 | depends on what it is and who it's for? |
| 21:31.47 | CBG | and what it's worth..? |
| 21:31.51 | Mr_Molez | apparently bzfs can send out information to external links but not get info back.. its soo not for me :P |
| 21:32.10 | JeffM2501 | I don't understand your statement |
| 21:32.27 | JeffM2501 | are you talking about the URL job stuff |
| 21:32.32 | blast007 | the API for sending out URL requests |
| 21:32.43 | blast007 | API function* |
| 21:32.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah you should be able to get back what ever the URL returns |
| 21:33.02 | Mr_Molez | oh |
| 21:33.03 | JeffM2501 | the handler has a funciton you can define to get the requested data back |
| 21:33.12 | Mr_Molez | thanks |
| 21:33.18 | JeffM2501 | you get a string that contains the text returned from the URL |
| 21:33.26 | JeffM2501 | or binary data actualy |
| 21:35.12 | JeffM2501 | the done method of the bz_BaseURLHandler you derive from has a "data" paramater and a size |
| 21:35.28 | JeffM2501 | you get passed back your data and you can copy it and do what you will with it. |
| 21:35.41 | Mr_Molez | great :) |
| 21:35.41 | JeffM2501 | now if it's not working, that's just a bug that needs to be fixed |
| 21:35.54 | JeffM2501 | but it's using the same thing the list server uses, so it should work |
| 21:38.09 | JeffM2501 | now if you want bzfs to listen for web connections like a web server, then no.. that part is not a function of the API. you'd have to implement that in the plugin yourself. |
| 21:38.35 | Mr_Molez | ok :P |
| 21:38.57 | JeffM2501 | cus I'm not writing a web server info bzfs :) |
| 21:39.19 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 21:46.26 | Birdie | anastasia beaverhausen is a known troublemaker? |
| 21:47.11 | JeffM2501 | that's the name of my DDO angry angry halfling :) |
| 21:47.38 | menotume | no, but Birdie has been known to be a troublemaker :P |
| 21:47.52 | Birdie | look into a mirror meno! |
| 21:47.58 | menotume | sure, me too |
| 21:48.05 | menotume | and proud of it |
| 21:48.13 | JeffM2501 | takes one to know one ;) |
| 21:48.18 | menotume | hehe |
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| 23:59.34 | amcnabb | I think I just found a nasty bug. |
