| 00:00.17 | JeffM2501 | same way a text message is sent |
| 00:00.41 | Skeeve | But it's not a string |
| 00:00.58 | JeffM2501 | no no, the guts of what the text send does |
| 00:01.07 | JeffM2501 | it packs up data and sends it with a message type header |
| 00:01.12 | JeffM2501 | then the client gets it and unpacks it |
| 00:02.22 | Skeeve | do you have an example for a functional message so that I can have a look at it? |
| 00:02.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah the text one |
| 00:02.38 | JeffM2501 | it's sent as a functional message |
| 00:02.44 | JeffM2501 | the text functional message |
| 00:03.09 | JeffM2501 | it's of the type MsgMessage |
| 00:04.04 | Skeeve | Uahhh! That's too much tonight ;-( |
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| 00:05.38 | Skeeve | MsgMessage is for player is sending a message |
| 00:05.46 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:05.51 | JeffM2501 | you'd make your own new type |
| 00:05.58 | JeffM2501 | and send it in a similar way |
| 00:06.19 | Skeeve | Ahh! Okay! So I add a type MsgClosestFlag |
| 00:06.24 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:06.50 | Skeeve | Okay! I'll let that sink over night and see what I can make of it |
| 00:06.57 | Skeeve | Thanks & good night! |
| 00:07.02 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 00:07.07 | Skeeve | I will |
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| 00:21.02 | SportChick | JeffM2501: what route are you taking tomorrow? |
| 00:21.17 | JeffM2501 | 118 -> 5 -> 60 |
| 00:26.03 | SportChick | ahhh ok |
| 00:26.29 | SportChick | i was thinking if there was any chance you'd end up near the 10 & 405, I might suggest a lunch place and try to coerce mozul into meeting you |
| 00:27.20 | SportChick | he's going to the swap meet tomorrow AM |
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| 00:30.16 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:30.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah sounds like I'll be way east of you |
| 00:30.32 | JeffM2501 | ahh well, was just a thought |
| 00:30.58 | SportChick | another time :) |
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| 00:55.28 | spldart | What kind of bike JeffM? |
| 00:57.08 | JeffM2501 | katana |
| 00:57.13 | spldart | :) |
| 00:58.43 | blast007 | do you use it to fend off the other ninjas? |
| 00:58.49 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:58.52 | JeffM2501 | every day |
| 00:58.53 | blast007 | awesome |
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| 00:59.42 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/MSVC/VC71/bzfs.vcproj: add spawn policy files |
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| 01:00.33 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): send the nearest flag as it's own message, so it can be flaged in it's own color, and send the position so we can maybe put a hud marker there. |
| 01:03.22 | spldart | Last REAL quick bike had fun on was a bandit 1200... But 130 to 140 during the commute to and from work would have eventually ended in becoming 2 dimensional... I ride on old csr now |
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| 01:06.06 | JeffM2501 | I got this one cheap, and it's better then my old one ( it busted ) |
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| 01:12.42 | JeffM2501 | and now I got to ride it home |
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| 01:13.26 | spldart | safe ride |
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| 01:46.49 | codergeek42 | Erm. |
| 01:46.50 | codergeek42 | Is the master list server down or something? :| |
| 01:46.56 | A_Heart_Attack | no |
| 01:46.59 | A_Heart_Attack | i dont think so |
| 01:47.10 | codergeek42 | How weird then... |
| 01:47.33 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 01:47.45 | blast007 | seems to work for ibot :) |
| 01:48.55 | a_meteorite | ~bzfquery bzfx.net:6026 |
| 01:49.04 | a_meteorite | that's one slow bot :) |
| 01:50.00 | codergeek42 | oh there we go |
| 01:50.06 | codergeek42 | thanks |
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| 01:58.22 | uso | hopefully he joins not the red team ;) |
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| 02:01.26 | JeffM2501 | better dead then red |
| 02:07.17 | blast007 | JeffM2501: heh ;) |
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| 02:23.48 | dngor | "MeshTransform::Tool::Tool() 2.0.0 inversion bug" ... the most likely cause is a 'spin' transformation, but I can't find anything on what the bug means or how to fix it. |
| 02:25.04 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it's just a warning |
| 02:25.14 | JeffM2501 | does it continue to run? |
| 02:25.56 | dngor | Yeah. It runs fine, as far as I can tell. My background's coding, though. I like to run with -Wall on (or warnings/strict in perl), and I like there to be no warnings. |
| 02:26.07 | dngor | So the bug's bugging me. |
| 02:26.24 | JeffM2501 | it's when a map does the spin transform |
| 02:26.31 | JeffM2501 | it can't be fixed in 2.0 |
| 02:26.41 | JeffM2501 | due to compatability issues with existing bins |
| 02:26.49 | JeffM2501 | 2.2 will have it fixed |
| 02:27.29 | dngor | Oh, it's a bug in bzfs, not in my world file? |
| 02:27.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:27.44 | dngor | Thanks! I can certainly live with that. |
| 02:27.44 | JeffM2501 | so you can just ignore it |
| 02:32.47 | trepan | it's already fixed |
| 02:34.28 | trepan | src/game/MeshTransform.cxx: // FIXME - remove this check when protocol changes from "0026" |
| 02:34.43 | JeffM2501 | then there ya go :) |
| 02:35.12 | trepan | was "adjusted" in 2.0.2 iirc |
| 02:42.38 | purple_cow | siggraph: when do you arrive? |
| 02:42.42 | siggraph | 4 |
| 02:43.18 | purple_cow | ahh |
| 02:44.03 | siggraph | purple_cow: check in isn't until 3 afaik |
| 02:44.46 | siggraph | though.. am traveling by train, so gamble as to whether I'll be on time :) |
| 02:45.07 | purple_cow | ok, i'm probably going to drop my stuff at my sister's dorm during the day |
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| 03:18.47 | purple_cow | ugh |
| 03:18.49 | purple_cow | too hot tomorrow |
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| 04:36.33 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is 2.1 UNSTABLE, use for new commits || 2.0.8 is released react acordingly |
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| 06:31.14 | Legoguy | weve got an intentional (talking!) tker in tuxsux.hepcat.org |
| 06:31.22 | Legoguy | name ubuntu |
| 06:31.26 | Legoguy | or something |
| 06:31.33 | Legoguy | ubuntuu |
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| 07:05.36 | Legoguy | lol, now we need a flag reset in tuxsux.hepcat.org -- the uneven teams disabling ctf triggered when another player joined happened JUST as i was going onto the base with the other flag, and the flag flew to the middle on top of the wall, and since we can't jump, theres no way of getting it |
| 07:05.51 | Legoguy | not enough registered players to /poll either |
| 07:06.50 | Legoguy | that came out a bit unclear, but i think you get the idea :/ |
| 07:25.30 | [NP]Tangent | welp, looks like I ought to look at my laptop battery |
| 07:25.36 | [NP]Tangent | just got word of a dell recall |
| 07:25.41 | [NP]Tangent | funny how they didn't tell me this |
| 07:25.52 | [NP]Tangent | when it's entirely possible that my laptop EXPLODE because of it |
| 07:25.57 | [NP]Tangent | so yeah |
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| 14:52.09 | A-Delusion | what does _positionTolerance affect? player movement? collisions? it's blank on the wiki. |
| 15:04.22 | trepan | use the source? |
| 15:07.56 | A-Delusion | well, there's PositionTracker.h I figured I'd find clues there, but the word tolerance doesnt appear in the file |
| 15:10.34 | A-Delusion | global.cxx, player.cxx, and StateDatabase.h don't give me any clues as to the fuction of the var, either. |
| 15:12.45 | trepan | it's a simple 2 step trace, ends at: Player::isDeadReckoningWrong() |
| 15:25.24 | A-Delusion | so it has to do with lag compensation in position prediction? I'll just leave it alone. |
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| 16:47.59 | Birdie | ehm when uploading something on bzbb for a pm for some one i got: The Extension m3u is not allowed |
| 16:48.04 | Birdie | why is that not allowed? |
| 16:53.31 | Mr_Molez | just change it to .txt or soemthing :P |
| 16:54.11 | Birdie | its a sound |
| 16:54.16 | Birdie | so i doubt txt would be good:) |
| 16:54.28 | Mr_Molez | m3u is a playlist file |
| 16:54.43 | Birdie | there is only one song in |
| 16:54.47 | Mr_Molez | hmm |
| 16:55.01 | Mr_Molez | open it with notepad |
| 16:55.07 | Mr_Molez | i bet its text in there ;) |
| 16:55.18 | Birdie | if not, what do i get |
| 16:55.26 | Mr_Molez | loads of %^%%&%&%*& |
| 16:55.44 | Birdie | nope |
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| 17:08.01 | blast007 | can't you just paste a URL to the song file? |
| 17:08.48 | Birdie | yea i found the url now |
| 17:08.53 | blast007 | k |
| 17:08.56 | Birdie | thx anyway:) |
| 17:09.00 | Birdie | ~blast007++ |
| 17:09.19 | Mr_Molez | aww how come he lets karma,, when i was the one who helped :( |
| 17:09.35 | Birdie | ~Mr_Molez++ |
| 17:09.38 | Birdie | thats true..srty |
| 17:09.57 | Mr_Molez | ~lart blast007 |
| 17:09.57 | Mr_Molez | :P |
| 17:10.39 | Mr_Molez | wow the irony |
| 17:19.19 | Birdie | lol |
| 17:20.16 | Birdie | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8664 ahem |
| 17:21.07 | stumpgrinder | ^^ lol. professional spam |
| 17:21.58 | Birdie | he propably had to study for that |
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| 17:35.19 | Mr_Molez | thunderbolt1 needs to learn how to turn off his caps lock |
| 17:39.18 | gsnedders | brillliant team :\ |
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| 18:11.53 | TheBarron | what section of the code renders the radar? Not so much the radar info, as the overlay/frame of the radar? |
| 18:14.47 | TheBarron | arg.. bbl |
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| 18:48.13 | siggraph | A-Delusion: PositionTracker isn't used for anything right now, but it was the start of server-side dead-reckoning (server side kill detection) |
| 19:09.02 | a_temp_dist | all of Boston is at the ball game |
| 19:09.17 | a_meteorite | heh |
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| 19:29.20 | purple_cow | siggraph: i'm at my sister's dorm |
| 19:29.29 | purple_cow | siggraph: are you at the hotel? |
| 19:30.10 | siggraph | yep |
| 19:30.26 | siggraph | got in earlier than expected |
| 19:30.44 | purple_cow | cool. should i head over (probably will take an hour or so), then we can go register? |
| 19:31.07 | siggraph | reg. doesn' open till 6 iirc |
| 19:31.22 | purple_cow | well, yeah |
| 19:32.45 | purple_cow | i'm afraid even with my "exhibitor" status i can't get us in before that |
| 19:34.09 | siggraph | yeah, I didn't get a contributor notice this time either |
| 19:34.39 | purple_cow | well, they just had contributor registration during the normal time |
| 19:35.19 | purple_cow | all i can get earlier than that is a floor pass |
| 19:35.21 | purple_cow | which is kinda useless |
| 19:35.58 | purple_cow | also, my sister can tell us where to eat ;) |
| 19:36.32 | siggraph | last year it got us in a couple hours earlier, though didn't show up till late in that window |
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| 19:37.12 | purple_cow | uhhuh |
| 19:37.24 | purple_cow | i did the same thing in 2k4 with the poster |
| 19:39.21 | purple_cow | ok, so i'm about to head over there. are you just going to hang out at the hotel? |
| 19:43.42 | purple_cow | too slow! |
| 19:43.49 | purple_cow | i'll give you a call if you're not ;) |
| 19:45.13 | siggraph | heh |
| 19:45.32 | siggraph | i'm going to be wandering around the hotel for a bit, just chilling and unpacking now |
| 19:45.45 | siggraph | dinner in an hour or two is probably the plan |
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| 21:01.24 | spldart | odd issue with the bzfs I built from head 3 days ago... when doing client query it comes back with the response twice |
| 21:01.53 | spldart | just throwing that out there in case it needs to be looked at :) |
| 21:09.18 | spldart | any admin's for bzwar.bzflag.org? |
| 21:10.14 | spldart | blue flag is in between the cracks in the walls... Might want a flag reset.. unless your suppossed to find a narrow perhaps then drive in there and, can you drop the flag?, and grab the blue |
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| 21:13.27 | spldart | in observer.. how do you break free of the follow the lead tank mode?> |
| 21:14.49 | pyr0 | F8 i believe, or F7 to change who you follow |
| 21:14.57 | pyr0 | lease thats mine |
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| 21:15.36 | spldart | ah.. thanks |
| 21:15.39 | dngor | What's the difference between an edge material and a bottom material on a sphere? |
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| 21:15.44 | pyr0 | mm hmm |
| 21:16.11 | pyr0 | not a clue on my end, not much a map maker.. |
| 21:16.42 | dngor | Heh. Me neither, but I have a terrible itch that I must scratch (wrt making a bzflag map). |
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| 21:18.25 | spldart | looks like blue flag got freed... nm |
| 21:23.29 | spldart | Dunst is normally a good player right? I thought I remember him from along time ago |
| 21:27.06 | spldart | Anyone else play bzflag so much that they occasionally here the pop.wav noise randomly in their real world <8-{ |
| 21:27.55 | blast007 | spldart: once I tried to right click at another car while driving |
| 21:28.20 | spldart | lmao |
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| 21:47.30 | spldart | that was a first.. I had done a spin jump and made a kill... that a apparently a teammate had lined up too.. Who had geno.. He was PISSED! I said sorry but he kept blabbing about how I stole his kill mid shot :( |
| 21:47.59 | [NP]Tangent | spldart, it happens |
| 21:48.05 | [NP]Tangent | people are raging morons |
| 21:48.09 | [NP]Tangent | speaking of which |
| 21:48.18 | [NP]Tangent | the morons at work decided they'd triple my work time today |
| 21:48.21 | [NP]Tangent | so now I have two shifts |
| 21:48.26 | spldart | Yeah.. I thought a NP to my sorry would be enought but I guess it wasn't |
| 21:48.33 | spldart | Yikes |
| 21:48.49 | spldart | Is it overtime or regular pay? |
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| 21:48.56 | [NP]Tangent | I hope they give me overtime |
| 21:49.02 | [NP]Tangent | or they should at least give me a raise |
| 21:49.10 | spldart | It sure helps... buy fun stuff |
| 21:50.42 | [NP]Tangent | yeah |
| 21:50.47 | [NP]Tangent | like a computer that doesn't suck |
| 21:51.05 | [NP]Tangent | I'd love to get an Alienware |
| 21:51.07 | [NP]Tangent | ah well |
| 21:51.09 | uso | A-Delusion: it determines how much deviation a client tolerates between its real position and the position the server (and other clients) thinks it has before sending a position update |
| 21:51.21 | [NP]Tangent | I'm stuck with this dell, which may or may not have a recalled battery in it |
| 21:51.34 | uso | it's probably there to reduce network traffic |
| 21:51.39 | [NP]Tangent | I think I'm good, because my list of components says Sony made the battery, not Dell |
| 21:51.47 | [NP]Tangent | but I've gotta go buy a screwdriver to check |
| 21:51.50 | [NP]Tangent | so yeah |
| 21:51.51 | [NP]Tangent | bbl |
| 21:52.00 | spldart | LOL |
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| 21:53.14 | spldart | BBL... gonna pull my car in the backyard and clean that biznatch :) |
| 21:53.37 | uso | if we are on it, is there a reason why there is such a big discrepancy between the tolerance for linear movement and for angular movement before the client sends an update? |
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| 21:55.37 | uso | for linear movement it's rather fine (up to more than 250 updates per second if it would not be limited by the throttle rate), but for angular movement you could reach at max about 16 updates per second |
| 21:56.53 | uso | decreasing the threshold for angular movement makes movement of other tanks on your screen more smooth |
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| 22:02.35 | Chestal | uso: your calculations are too simplistic. Not sure how the values were picked. ang tolerance is about 2.8 degrees, by itself, that is not a lot |
| 22:03.13 | Chestal | pos tolerance is 9cm (tanklength is 6m) |
| 22:04.17 | Chestal | it would probably be interesting to gather stats about which of the two triggers the sending of an update package how often |
| 22:06.58 | uso | yes, but 3 degrees are a lot, compared with the 9 cm |
| 22:08.21 | uso | a good example is to drive with a bot (as obs) and watch it if it starts to "jitter" (if it don't know what to do) |
| 22:08.42 | uso | i would expect the linear movement to trigger most of the updates |
| 22:08.54 | Chestal | 3 degrees means a difference of 2.5cm for the tank edges if I didn't make a mistake |
| 22:09.20 | Chestal | s/edges/corners/ |
| 22:09.32 | Chestal | eh, no, that calc is wrong, wait .-) |
| 22:10.33 | Chestal | ok, it's 15cm |
| 22:11.16 | uso | yeah, but meters in the distance :) |
| 22:11.55 | Chestal | hmm? |
| 22:11.56 | uso | and it's big related i.e. to your view angle |
| 22:12.27 | uso | what's the view angle with binoculars on? 10 degrees? |
| 22:12.36 | Chestal | ok, the angular inaccuracy is probably _much_ more visible from the point of view of the tank |
| 22:12.48 | Chestal | I was thinking of enemy tank obvserved by me |
| 22:12.49 | uso | that's what i mean |
| 22:12.55 | Chestal | (which is much more important) |
| 22:13.15 | uso | for hit calculation i agree |
| 22:13.42 | uso | to improve that i would rather increase the throttle rate |
| 22:14.10 | uso | to like 100, or completely disable the limit |
| 22:14.19 | uso | does not increase bandwidth much |
| 22:14.23 | Chestal | well, it was introduced for a reason :-) |
| 22:14.42 | Chestal | without any throttling, we used to have rates of >100, but that might have been with different tolerance values |
| 22:14.43 | uso | any other reason than to reduce bandwidth? |
| 22:14.50 | Chestal | no, reduce bandwidth |
| 22:15.35 | Chestal | I wrote a simple server side throttling and did visual check for different rates (added ghost tanks for each tank) |
| 22:16.00 | Chestal | at 20, it wasn't quite good enough, but 30 was almost perfect visually already (when viewing enemy tank) |
| 22:16.34 | uso | i had running my servers with no throttling and angle tolerance of 0.008 and have not seen a significant increase of bandwidth usage, although i had only up to 12 players |
| 22:16.34 | Chestal | and it saved a lot of packets. But as I said, not sure if the hardcoded tolerance values were different ones |
| 22:18.04 | Chestal | it would be nice to generate some data, i.e. packet rate as a function of the tolerance values for some kind of 'normal' movement |
| 22:18.11 | uso | hehe, the ghost tanks would be interesting, have thought about this, but was above of my skills ;) |
| 22:18.21 | Chestal | it was a bad hack :-) |
| 22:18.47 | Chestal | server side throttlign was also much more difficult then in the client |
| 22:19.00 | Chestal | but I dond#t remember the messy details |
| 22:20.03 | Chestal | I guess you coudl record some movement while playing, then write a simple tool to calc how many packets woudl be sent depending on the parameters |
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| 22:22.46 | dngor | I don't suppose bzflag lets me subtract an object from another. |
| 22:22.54 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 22:23.09 | JeffM2501 | you can make a mesh that replicates that effect if youwant |
| 22:23.36 | dngor | Fair enough. |
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| 22:34.00 | [NP]Tangent | ah good, my battery isn't bad |
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| 22:50.27 | A-Delusion | uso, chestal, thankyou. ....your discussion more than answered my question. Do I have this detail correct? decreasing _positionTolerance will cause more player updates to be sent? |
| 22:52.28 | uso | yes, but _positionTolerance already is at a quite low value, _updateThrottleRate will probably prevent it from sending more updates at all |
| 22:53.02 | uso | you may try to play around with both, and maybe _angleTolerance too |
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| 22:54.12 | A-Delusion | Very nice. I think thats all I need. |
| 22:54.13 | uso | s/at all/in most cases/ |
| 22:54.28 | Skeeve | Hi Jeff! Do you know off-the-head whether or not the MsgType's case matters? Can I use "cF" for closest flag when there is an "cf" for capture flag? |
| 22:55.02 | DTRemenak|RDP | you can, but it'll confuse people |
| 22:55.24 | Skeeve | So what do you suggest, DTRemenak? |
| 22:55.36 | DTRemenak | heck, I'm not opposed to confusing people :) |
| 22:55.37 | Skeeve | nf? nearest flag |
| 22:55.41 | DTRemenak | sure |
| 22:55.44 | Skeeve | :D |
| 22:56.04 | Skeeve | nf is already taken |
| 22:57.06 | Skeeve | I just saw! There is also Pu and pu... I'll stick to cF |
| 22:57.27 | uso | Skeeve: you may want to have a look at JeffM2501's last commit ;) |
| 22:57.39 | uso | BZFlag: jeffm2501 * bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): send the nearest flag as it's own message, so it can be flaged in it's own color, and send the position so we can maybe put a hud marker there. |
| 22:57.56 | Skeeve | Please help: How cann I see the commit message. I'm not used to CVS |
| 22:58.06 | DTRemenak | http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/bzflag |
| 22:58.28 | DTRemenak | or idle in this channel, and read CIA-6's messages |
| 22:58.31 | Skeeve | :D Just what I suggested yesterday |
| 22:58.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah I did it after you left |
| 22:58.38 | Skeeve | He asked *me* to do it |
| 22:58.45 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:58.46 | Skeeve | ;-) Thaknks Jeff |
| 22:58.53 | JeffM2501 | it's yellow now |
| 22:59.00 | DTRemenak | yellow is antidote |
| 22:59.07 | DTRemenak | gonna confuse people :) |
| 22:59.10 | JeffM2501 | then change it ;) |
| 22:59.11 | CBG | lol |
| 22:59.11 | Skeeve | So how do I revert my changes with cvs? |
| 22:59.22 | uso | yeah, white was ok :) |
| 22:59.28 | Skeeve | Nop, DT... The MESSAGE is yellow |
| 22:59.55 | DTRemenak | if you want to get your copy back to the current, use the C flag to cvs update |
| 23:00.03 | DTRemenak | that'll erase all your changes |
| 23:00.11 | DTRemenak | so don't do it if you don't want that to happen :) |
| 23:00.16 | JeffM2501 | I mostly wanted the flag pos so we could do a hud marker |
| 23:00.24 | JeffM2501 | text color was secondary |
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| 23:00.33 | JeffM2501 | and I don't mind using the antidote color |
| 23:00.42 | JeffM2501 | cus you'll never need an antidote when you have ID |
| 23:00.49 | JeffM2501 | so it becomes a "look at this flag" collor |
| 23:00.58 | DTRemenak | anitdote is all screwy anyway |
| 23:01.08 | Skeeve | But the text is colored, jeff, isn't it? |
| 23:01.12 | JeffM2501 | I think we should move it all into that message |
| 23:01.15 | DTRemenak | your client generates it, and the server just trusts that you're ok :) |
| 23:01.29 | JeffM2501 | make it just a "look at this flag" message for both ID and Antidote |
| 23:04.34 | Skeeve | How can I look at the changes, jeff? |
| 23:04.38 | JeffM2501 | then plop down a 5 second hud marker at the postition |
| 23:04.51 | JeffM2501 | Skeeve, umm update your code from cvs |
| 23:05.00 | Skeeve | I did |
| 23:05.06 | JeffM2501 | what version? |
| 23:05.26 | Skeeve | I'm stupid in regards to CVS |
| 23:05.44 | Skeeve | didn't look into man pages yet |
| 23:05.55 | JeffM2501 | how did you checkout? |
| 23:06.16 | Skeeve | So I don't know how to tell, but I updated a few minutes ago cvs up -dPC |
| 23:06.38 | JeffM2501 | when you started it what did you do |
| 23:06.41 | JeffM2501 | or just run the binary |
| 23:06.43 | JeffM2501 | it'll say |
| 23:06.56 | Skeeve | Ah... I have to compile first... That will need some time |
| 23:07.16 | JeffM2501 | well if you can't remember if you got head or branch.. yeah |
| 23:07.25 | JeffM2501 | or open /src/date/builddate.cxx |
| 23:07.27 | Skeeve | Ah! Head of course |
| 23:07.27 | JeffM2501 | and see what it is |
| 23:07.34 | JeffM2501 | then you have the changes |
| 23:07.46 | JeffM2501 | build, run, join a game with ID |
| 23:07.49 | Skeeve | And now I want to see the difference |
| 23:07.56 | JeffM2501 | in the code? |
| 23:08.02 | Skeeve | So the lines you changed- |
| 23:08.04 | Skeeve | Yes |
| 23:08.07 | Skeeve | I want to learn |
| 23:08.08 | JeffM2501 | check the cvs history |
| 23:09.48 | Skeeve | I think I need a "Stupid Mac User" GUI for CVS |
| 23:09.51 | Skeeve | :-( |
| 23:10.04 | JeffM2501 | don't think they have one |
| 23:10.07 | JeffM2501 | they have one for windows |
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| 23:10.27 | Skeeve | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:10.41 | JeffM2501 | it's a command line tool |
| 23:10.47 | JeffM2501 | runs very similar |
| 23:10.49 | Skeeve | so is svn... |
| 23:10.57 | JeffM2501 | so why is cvs so hard for you? |
| 23:11.01 | Skeeve | But I have a nice GUI for it |
| 23:11.11 | JeffM2501 | then get one for cvs |
| 23:11.24 | uso | Skeeve: try lincvs, should be available for mac also |
| 23:11.26 | Skeeve | I don't know the options and the man page isn't the smallest I've seen yet ;-) |
| 23:13.00 | JeffM2501 | CIA will show you the files in the commit |
| 23:13.09 | JeffM2501 | sf web cvs will show you the history |
| 23:13.12 | JeffM2501 | and you can dif there |
| 23:13.14 | JeffM2501 | all web |
| 23:13.16 | JeffM2501 | all interface |
| 23:13.33 | Skeeve | I already found which files differ |
| 23:13.49 | Skeeve | but not yet where... I'm fighting my way through |
| 23:14.12 | JeffM2501 | then just use the web cvs on SF to see this history |
| 23:14.19 | JeffM2501 | it has an options for "diff from this version" |
| 23:14.49 | Skeeve | Okay... I think that's best |
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| 23:21.03 | Skeeve | ;-) Finally! So you used "Nf" instead of "cF" I wanted to use... Let's see what else changed... |
| 23:25.22 | Skeeve | Nice! How long did you need for that... Hmmmm... 22hours ago... that was... that was FAST |
| 23:26.26 | JeffM2501 | it's not any difrent then any other message |
| 23:26.32 | Skeeve | Did you think about my other idea? The BAD flag? |
| 23:26.43 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 23:26.47 | Skeeve | The one that makes you look to anyone as an opponent? |
| 23:27.13 | JeffM2501 | mehh |
| 23:27.22 | JeffM2501 | the game dosnt' realy need more bad flags |
| 23:27.28 | Skeeve | ;-) |
| 23:27.35 | JeffM2501 | and the mind affecters realy don't work well with meshes |
| 23:27.42 | Skeeve | The game already has too many flags, right!? |
| 23:28.04 | JeffM2501 | that is debateable |
| 23:28.26 | Skeeve | I don't understand the sentence with the "meshes" |
| 23:28.37 | JeffM2501 | if we make player tanks |
| 23:28.45 | JeffM2501 | like give you 4-5 difrent tanks to pick |
| 23:29.07 | JeffM2501 | then flags that change color become harder |
| 23:29.19 | Skeeve | So bad time for Masquerade? |
| 23:29.20 | JeffM2501 | also any flag that makes you shoot a teamie== not good |
| 23:29.24 | JeffM2501 | CB as well |
| 23:29.44 | JeffM2501 | cus even if you change to there color, if your the only tank with that mesh.. it's no big deal |
| 23:30.43 | Skeeve | shoot a teamie== not good => agree |
| 23:31.31 | JeffM2501 | personaly I'd like to remove CB, MQ, and PZ |
| 23:31.58 | Skeeve | CB, PQ... I have to fetch a list of flags I guess |
| 23:35.48 | Skeeve | AhhH! Found it |
| 23:36.29 | Skeeve | I just found 1 Situation where PZ was good and read of another one |
| 23:36.56 | Skeeve | So I wouldn't object to removing it |
| 23:37.29 | Skeeve | I never was a fan of MQ. I found NO situation on Servers with Rogues where it was helpful |
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| 23:37.36 | Skeeve | I usually drop it at once |
| 23:37.51 | Skeeve | CB... Who likes bad flags ;-) |
| 23:55.57 | uso | different tanks? hmmm |
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| 23:56.25 | uso | it's the simplicity, which makes this game special and attractive |
| 23:57.14 | JeffM2501 | then why improve it? ;) |
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| 23:57.41 | shorty114 | Skeeve, it can be useful on viper |
| 23:57.45 | shorty114 | if you hop the wall |
| 23:57.51 | CBG | CB is ok for me. Just so long as I'm rogue. |
| 23:57.52 | uso | there's only one server in the top 20 of last month (at pos 12) which uses not a classical box/pyramid maps |
| 23:58.00 | shorty114 | but smart players could figure it out pretty fast though |
| 23:58.16 | uso | and the "real" meash maps like loumans are far behind in ragard of average player number |
| 23:58.23 | uso | *mesh |
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| 23:58.32 | JeffM2501 | ok, so then your saying we should just stop |
| 23:58.34 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:58.49 | uso | no, you shouldn't ;0 |
| 23:59.03 | uso | nbut you also should not forget it :) |
| 23:59.11 | JeffM2501 | but you say people play the old simple maps, with the old stimple rules, and old simple tanks |
| 23:59.22 | uso | most of it, yes |
| 23:59.24 | JeffM2501 | and every time we make any change somone bitches about it |
| 23:59.28 | JeffM2501 | so what's the point? |
| 23:59.29 | menotume | yay for old |
| 23:59.49 | CBG | Hah. |
| 23:59.56 | menotume | stop? no way |