| 00:00.33 | L4m3r | oh wait, is that supposed to be a pount symbol? |
| 00:00.37 | ryanakca | lol... |
| 00:00.38 | L4m3r | pound* |
| 00:00.49 | L4m3r | xchat makes it look like an L |
| 00:00.50 | ryanakca | £7?? |
| 00:00.50 | L4m3r | lol |
| 00:01.22 | ryanakca | in konversation too... |
| 00:01.37 | L4m3r | I think I like konversation better than xchat :x |
| 00:01.39 | ryanakca | It is an L... because £ displays fine here... typo :) |
| 00:01.45 | CBG` | The trick with a small allowance is, don't buy anything. Your parents should soon start feeling bad that you're going around in clothes about 6 inches too small, so that your trousers (pants) don't even get up to your waist. Then with any luck they will buy you a pair of trousers (pants) that fit. Make those last till you can be arsed to get a job. ;) |
| 00:01.46 | L4m3r | lol |
| 00:02.06 | ryanakca | lol |
| 00:02.18 | L4m3r | lol I make about as much in an hour as CBG makes in a month |
| 00:02.21 | L4m3r | now THAT is sad |
| 00:02.26 | CBG` | Yeah, I meant "L4". |
| 00:02.30 | L4m3r | lol |
| 00:02.35 | ryanakca | L4 = ??? |
| 00:02.41 | CBG` | Geez, my own client is messed up. |
| 00:02.42 | ryanakca | £4? |
| 00:02.47 | L4m3r | me. short for L4m3r. |
| 00:02.50 | CBG` | L <-- pound sign. |
| 00:02.51 | DTRemenak | ~convert 4 pounds sterling to us dollars |
| 00:02.57 | CBG` | man, just forget it. :P |
| 00:02.58 | DTRemenak | ~convert 4 pounds sterling to dollars |
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| 00:03.04 | DTRemenak | :S |
| 00:03.08 | DTRemenak | guess it doesn't do money |
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| 00:03.36 | DTRemenak | $7.30 or so |
| 00:03.46 | CBG` | guess so. but $1 USD = about 0.55 pounds |
| 00:03.53 | CBG` | so, work it out that way :P |
| 00:03.59 | ryanakca | yay! make is done! |
| 00:04.04 | L4m3r | I make $7.50 an hour... and I work in fast food FFS! |
| 00:04.19 | DTRemenak | 1 pound is ~$1.83 |
| 00:04.30 | pyr02k1[a] | i make 14, and i work at lowes :P |
| 00:04.36 | pyr02k1[a] | sucky place to work, but its ok |
| 00:05.23 | ryanakca | 1.00 GBP = 2.08826 CAD.... 1 CAD = 0.478867 GBP |
| 00:05.24 | blast007 | ~exchange 4 gbp to usd |
| 00:05.36 | DTRemenak | ahh, blast007 is smart |
| 00:05.44 | CBG` | :) yes |
| 00:06.04 | blast007 | DTRemenak: I had to experiment in a /msg first ;) |
| 00:06.10 | L4m3r | ~exchange 7.50 usd to gbp |
| 00:06.11 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 00:06.24 | L4m3r | lol |
| 00:07.04 | CBG` | I just get a pound a week from grandparents as pocket money. That'll stop soon too, since it did for my bro about this age. |
| 00:07.23 | DTRemenak | get a job :) |
| 00:07.24 | CBG` | I've had nothing from parents for ages now, even though I do do a lot of chorse. |
| 00:07.30 | ryanakca | ~age CBG` |
| 00:07.35 | ryanakca | drats, doesn't work :P |
| 00:07.39 | blast007 | ~gender CBG` |
| 00:07.41 | ibot | I heard CBG` is sexless. |
| 00:07.48 | DTRemenak | ~gender blast007 |
| 00:07.50 | ibot | I heard blast007 is lesbian. |
| 00:07.50 | CBG` | I have friends who do jack at home and get 10 pounds a week or more. |
| 00:07.52 | blast007 | haha |
| 00:07.59 | DTRemenak | is that true, blast007? :) |
| 00:08.00 | L4m3r | ~gender |
| 00:08.02 | ibot | I'm female |
| 00:08.04 | ryanakca | holy *****! |
| 00:08.10 | blast007 | DTRemenak: shhh, it's a secret! |
| 00:08.10 | L4m3r | ~gender L4m3r |
| 00:08.12 | ibot | I heard L4m3r is sexless. |
| 00:08.18 | L4m3r | Close enough. |
| 00:08.20 | DTRemenak | ~gender ryanakca |
| 00:08.21 | ibot | I heard ryanakca is gay. |
| 00:08.25 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, dude just try it and see |
| 00:08.41 | ryanakca | ~convert 10 GBP to CAD |
| 00:08.45 | Gnurdux | bzflag doesn't do vsync, does it? |
| 00:08.55 | DTRemenak | your drivers do vsync |
| 00:08.58 | JeffM2501 | no do it in your driver |
| 00:08.59 | ryanakca | ~convert 10 gbp to cad |
| 00:09.01 | L4m3r | ~gender gnurdux |
| 00:09.03 | ibot | I heard gnurdux is not sure. |
| 00:09.07 | L4m3r | lol |
| 00:09.11 | Gnurdux | heh fun with integrated |
| 00:09.14 | Gnurdux | ~gender L4m3r |
| 00:09.16 | ibot | I heard L4m3r is not sure. |
| 00:09.22 | Gnurdux | ~gnurdux is male |
| 00:09.23 | ibot | ...but gnurdux is already something else... |
| 00:09.31 | L4m3r | lol! |
| 00:09.31 | Gnurdux | ~gender gnurdux is male |
| 00:09.33 | ibot | I heard gnurdux is male is male. |
| 00:09.33 | JeffM2501 | now THAT is funny |
| 00:09.33 | ryanakca | checkinstall is done :) |
| 00:09.38 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, you can't set it |
| 00:09.41 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 00:09.43 | L4m3r | ~gnurdux |
| 00:09.45 | ibot | rumour has it, gnurdux is El owner de GnurdyGuy (Spanglish)! |
| 00:09.48 | Gnurdux | is it that for everyone? |
| 00:09.51 | DTRemenak | ~exchange 10 gbp to canadian dollars |
| 00:09.52 | Gnurdux | ~gender JeffM2501 |
| 00:09.54 | ibot | I heard JeffM2501 is sexless. |
| 00:09.56 | JeffM2501 | and realy take the bot abbuse to botpark |
| 00:09.59 | JeffM2501 | REALY |
| 00:10.09 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:10.22 | Gnurdux | interesting |
| 00:10.24 | CBG` | wow, wow, DE JA VU |
| 00:10.44 | CBG` | holy cow. I remember this distinctly... :| |
| 00:10.46 | DTRemenak | zimbabwe just be a wee bit inflated |
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| 00:16.27 | JeffM2501 | you going there anytime soon? |
| 00:20.11 | ryanakca | hmmm... |
| 00:20.29 | ryanakca | NOOOOO! they got rid of fog on boxy! |
| 00:20.42 | ryanakca | *meeeps*... We had voted yes for it... |
| 00:21.47 | ryanakca | is there a map making tool for linux? I see some for win and all... |
| 00:23.03 | spldart | I saw them playing with fog on boxy a bit ago ... Hrm |
| 00:26.26 | mmarshall | ryanakca: I use teppic's blender plugin. |
| 00:26.49 | ryanakca | mmarshall: have blender installed.. never used it... wheres the plugin? |
| 00:27.18 | mmarshall | let me find it... |
| 00:27.30 | mmarshall | http://www.teppic.homelinux.net/BZWTools/index.html |
| 00:27.36 | ryanakca | ty |
| 00:28.19 | mmarshall | But, you'll really need to learn blender a little first... it's not the sort of thing you can just 'figure out'. |
| 00:28.34 | mmarshall | But it's a great tool to learn anyway. |
| 00:29.07 | L4m3r | screw blender, I code meshes by hand! >_> |
| 00:29.23 | DTRemenak | that's because you're superhuman |
| 00:29.25 | L4m3r | ~lart L4m3r |
| 00:29.33 | DTRemenak | ~L4m3r++ |
| 00:29.39 | L4m3r | :D |
| 00:30.05 | mmarshall | ~commands |
| 00:30.22 | mmarshall | Where can you see all the commands that thing takes? |
| 00:30.36 | L4m3r | I'm planning on making some simple mesh code generators to aid in the mapping process, though. |
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| 00:31.57 | mmarshall | L4m3r: Well, for doing it all by hand, you've made some pretty cool stuff! |
| 00:32.03 | L4m3r | ;p |
| 00:32.31 | mmarshall | I really liked the compound, anyway :) |
| 00:32.33 | L4m3r | I am still rather limited in what I can do, though |
| 00:32.43 | L4m3r | The compound is my only real map |
| 00:33.25 | L4m3r | I am basically like any "box and arc" mapper, just with a few extra shapes to work with ;) |
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| 00:58.49 | uso | mmarshall: you have added some new functions to the bzfsAPI in the 2.0 branch, could you please add a few more? they are needed for the (fixed) recordmatch plugin and the timelimit plugin |
| 00:58.49 | bryjen | do *what* to a blender?! ouch. |
| 00:59.06 | uso | both plugins are widely used for matchservers |
| 00:59.29 | JeffM2501 | what else is needed for the recordmatch one? |
| 00:59.36 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, the smae fixes that went into 2.1 |
| 00:59.41 | uso | bz_stopRecBuf |
| 00:59.47 | JeffM2501 | thougth I did that in both |
| 00:59.49 | Gnurdux | i just used the 2.1 patch |
| 00:59.52 | uso | the one you added in 2.1 |
| 00:59.53 | Gnurdux | no, only in 2.1 |
| 00:59.57 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 00:59.58 | JeffM2501 | one sec |
| 01:00.12 | Gnurdux | the timelimit stuff should prolly remain a mod |
| 01:00.30 | JeffM2501 | ok more then one sec, I don't have 2.0 |
| 01:00.34 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, also btw: another problem with the 2.0 api is that observers is in the wrong position in the struct |
| 01:00.43 | Gnurdux | *enum |
| 01:01.00 | JeffM2501 | it's not made to match the internal one, there is a maping function |
| 01:01.02 | Gnurdux | it should go after purple, and that causes problems when sending team messages as observer |
| 01:01.04 | uso | i have a patch, but it also has the timelimit functions ;) |
| 01:01.05 | JeffM2501 | is that function not correct? |
| 01:01.20 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, well i think its not fully used |
| 01:01.22 | Gnurdux | lemme check |
| 01:01.56 | JeffM2501 | the API should never care about observers realy |
| 01:02.01 | JeffM2501 | since it can't do anything to them |
| 01:02.08 | JeffM2501 | but the maping function should convert properly |
| 01:02.11 | JeffM2501 | if not I can fix that |
| 01:02.19 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, its a problem in sendtestmessage |
| 01:02.24 | Gnurdux | it doesnt use the convert func |
| 01:02.28 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 01:02.34 | JeffM2501 | well then that's easy to fix :) |
| 01:02.40 | Gnurdux | but it fixes if you move the htings in the struct |
| 01:02.47 | JeffM2501 | don't want to |
| 01:02.54 | JeffM2501 | dont' want to tie the API to internal structures |
| 01:03.02 | Gnurdux | ah its the only one that has that prob |
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| 01:03.11 | JeffM2501 | we may change the guts at any time, the plugins should not care |
| 01:03.30 | JeffM2501 | the maping function in there to do just that, so the right fix is to make everyone use it |
| 01:03.59 | JeffM2501 | I could have sworn I moved the record thing back |
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| 01:05.08 | mmarshall | uso: I'll take a look. |
| 01:05.25 | JeffM2501 | mmarshall, I am doing the record thing now |
| 01:05.47 | mmarshall | Oh, ok, maybe I won't take a look. |
| 01:05.54 | JeffM2501 | uso is the time limit stuff also in 2.1? |
| 01:08.08 | JeffM2501 | or just your patch? |
| 01:08.37 | uso | nothing of it so far, neither the plugin nor the api functions |
| 01:08.54 | JeffM2501 | ok so your just asking for your patch to be put in 2.0 and 2.1 then right? |
| 01:09.05 | uso | it's from catay |
| 01:09.12 | JeffM2501 | ok but still it's a patch |
| 01:09.25 | uso | it's a patch for the api and a plugin |
| 01:09.26 | JeffM2501 | just trying to get what parts are things new and things already in 2.1 |
| 01:09.39 | JeffM2501 | mmarshall, if you want to look at that patch then have at it ;) |
| 01:10.42 | uso | http://84.72.8.253/bzflag/patch.bzfsAPI |
| 01:10.49 | JeffM2501 | anything else needed for the stop record thingy? |
| 01:11.01 | JeffM2501 | uso can you submit that to SF please? |
| 01:11.28 | uso | JeffM2501: did you add the bz_stopRecBuf? |
| 01:11.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:11.45 | uso | ok, so i anyway have to redo the patch |
| 01:12.03 | JeffM2501 | that's why it's good to do each feature as it's own patch ;) |
| 01:12.11 | uso | the plugin need a call of bz_stopRecBuf, if you did not already add it in 2.0 |
| 01:12.19 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 01:12.21 | JeffM2501 | I'm doing that now |
| 01:12.25 | uso | :) |
| 01:13.03 | uso | so i wait for anon cvs to sync .. |
| 01:14.31 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 01:14.31 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: backport the record stop function from 2.1 for saving recordings. |
| 01:14.31 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: sendTextMessage wasn't converting the team right. |
| 01:16.08 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/recordmatch/recordmatch.ncb: silly NCB, cvs is for kids. |
| 01:21.45 | JeffM2501 | uso I'm applying your api calls now |
| 01:21.49 | JeffM2501 | they are simple |
| 01:23.42 | uso | quite simple, nothing wicked, only exposing a few vars |
| 01:25.28 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): |
| 01:25.28 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: expose time limit and countdown states to the api |
| 01:25.28 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: make the team be converted properly for team text messages |
| 01:25.44 | uso | although it's a bit ugly to change a commandline setting from within a plugin (and buffer the original value) |
| 01:25.55 | JeffM2501 | it's where we store crap sadly |
| 01:26.29 | uso | so it maybe better the whole plugin goes into the server code |
| 01:26.33 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): expose the countdown and game time stuff to the api |
| 01:26.53 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 01:27.07 | uso | ok, thanks |
| 01:27.14 | JeffM2501 | sure |
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| 02:00.14 | DTRemenak | uso: if some variable is safe to change from a plugin, it should be moved to bzdb so it can be changed at will. |
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| 02:04.34 | TheRedBaron | just had something odd happen to me on Bzflag. I was playing under an unregistered callsign - b0tto Von Ismarck |
| 02:05.08 | TheRedBaron | happily playing, when I was kicked off the server, the server telling me that the callsign had just been ghosted and taken over. |
| 02:05.30 | L4m3r | There is a word for that. |
| 02:05.33 | L4m3r | OWNED |
| 02:05.36 | L4m3r | :P |
| 02:05.39 | TheRedBaron | let me finish :) |
| 02:05.58 | TheRedBaron | I thought that was odd, so i went to bzbb, and sure enough, down at the bottom, it showed that there was indeed a player by the name of b0tto von ismark browsing the forums |
| 02:06.14 | TheRedBaron | so I switched to my other Registered name, 0tto Von Ismark |
| 02:06.18 | TheRedBaron | *bismark |
| 02:06.43 | TheRedBaron | continued playing, not 5 min later, I was kicked from the same server, again my registered callsign was ghosted |
| 02:07.06 | TheRedBaron | changed the password, started playing again, was ghosted |
| 02:07.24 | TheRedBaron | now the odd thing is |
| 02:07.36 | uso | DTRemenak: but as the plugin does not do much more than implementing a command to change this variable it is probably better placed directly in the bzfs code in the end |
| 02:07.44 | TheRedBaron | under bzbb, there is no callsign "b0tto von ismark" anymore |
| 02:08.04 | TheRedBaron | what gives? |
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| 02:12.52 | orange | TheRedBaron! |
| 02:13.29 | orange | TheRedBaron: someone is just messing with you, I bet |
| 02:14.06 | a_temp_dist | has the server list been slow lately? |
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| 02:15.42 | TheRedBaron | orange! |
| 02:15.49 | TheRedBaron | orange: it wasn't a nice messing :) |
| 02:15.59 | L4m3r | TheRedBaron: b0tto von ismark was just at mofo |
| 02:16.03 | TheRedBaron | that was me |
| 02:16.06 | L4m3r | oh |
| 02:16.13 | TheRedBaron | testing it |
| 02:16.24 | TheRedBaron | and you noticed, the callsign wasn't reg |
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| 02:16.43 | TheRedBaron | how can a non registered callsign be ghosted? |
| 02:16.58 | TheRedBaron | and this was not /kick you have been kicked due to ghosting etc etc |
| 02:17.00 | L4m3r | local identify? |
| 02:17.10 | TheRedBaron | i suspected that at first |
| 02:17.20 | TheRedBaron | but isnt' local identify disabled at mofo? |
| 02:17.23 | TheRedBaron | thats where I was playing |
| 02:17.27 | L4m3r | yeah... |
| 02:17.53 | TheRedBaron | and it was done more than once |
| 02:18.18 | TheRedBaron | very wierd if you ask me |
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| 02:20.21 | orange | TheRedBaron: someone went and registered it, then came back and ghosted you, most likely |
| 02:20.24 | orange | and no, it wasn't me :-) |
| 02:20.43 | TheRedBaron | orange: and then deregistered it? |
| 02:20.50 | orange | TheRedBaron: sure, why not? |
| 02:20.57 | TheRedBaron | and how could they ghost me on my registered callsign 0tto Von Bismark |
| 02:21.36 | brlcad | maybe your password sucks |
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| 02:22.01 | TheRedBaron | alpha-numerical |
| 02:22.45 | TheRedBaron | i'm wondering if its my computer now... because my computer is now randomly playing the "Gm lock-on alert" and I don't even have bzflag running |
| 02:24.45 | TheRedBaron | Currently, I am wondering, what is the probability that this is a bzbb security flaw? |
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| 02:25.48 | TheRedBaron | orange: how was the vacation? |
| 02:26.11 | trepan | TheRedBaron: 23% |
| 02:26.44 | TheRedBaron | hrm, not very good betting odds eh? |
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| 03:24.39 | uso | DTRemenak: save options now tries to save the world, and save world i guess ... :) |
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| 03:29.41 | whyudothat | anybody here |
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| 03:59.38 | uso | DTRemenak: my guess failed ... save world seems to do nothing |
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| 16:15.12 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: ping |
| 16:15.45 | JeffM2501 | sup |
| 16:18.23 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I am trying to put a detection in CVS HEAD, where the server checks if a client pauses too fast |
| 16:18.59 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 16:19.03 | ToughShooter | I do have a problem: I want to check whether player sets its state to paused when he is not allowed to |
| 16:19.08 | ToughShooter | unpack seems to be the key |
| 16:19.21 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 16:19.31 | ToughShooter | that leads to bzfsclientmessages over to bzfsPlayerStateVerify.cxx |
| 16:19.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah sadly the unpacks do some logic |
| 16:19.54 | JeffM2501 | I hate that they do, but they do |
| 16:19.55 | ToughShooter | I want to check it there but I need to call pausePlayer from bzfs.cxx |
| 16:20.06 | ToughShooter | sadly bzfs.cxx is not a class.. |
| 16:20.09 | ToughShooter | What to do? |
| 16:20.19 | JeffM2501 | what you may want to do is have the unpack call a function in the state verify class, that does the actual check logic |
| 16:20.43 | JeffM2501 | so just throw a prototype to that pause func in the bzfs.h |
| 16:20.52 | JeffM2501 | then everyone can use it |
| 16:21.49 | ToughShooter | I hacked pause stuff into bzfsPlayerStateVerify.cxx just like doSpeedChecks |
| 16:22.16 | ToughShooter | basically I only want to pause a player from within that file, never unpause |
| 16:22.32 | ToughShooter | because unpause can be directly at MsgPause in bzfs.cxx |
| 16:23.05 | ToughShooter | Should I still try the prototype way? |
| 16:23.27 | JeffM2501 | if you need access to the funciton, then just expose it, it's simple as that |
| 16:23.43 | JeffM2501 | but I'm not exactly following what your saying |
| 16:24.08 | JeffM2501 | it sounds like you should just have the unpack call the pause function in bzfs.cxx |
| 16:24.21 | JeffM2501 | then have that pause function call a check in the state verify to see if they can pause |
| 16:24.33 | JeffM2501 | if they can, then you pause them, if not then you don't and call it a bad. |
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| 16:25.04 | orange | ToughShooter: along with this, can you please work on an 'administrative pause' function? |
| 16:25.20 | orange | /pause player reason |
| 16:25.24 | orange | /unpause player |
| 16:25.25 | ToughShooter | ooh |
| 16:25.36 | orange | where player is the normal <slot,callsign> whatever |
| 16:25.50 | ToughShooter | I want to destroy the features of the "war clients" in the leagues first |
| 16:25.52 | orange | yeah, I think that would totally rock |
| 16:26.04 | CBG | war clients? |
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| 16:26.58 | ToughShooter | CBG: Some players use rather different clients to what is available for the public |
| 16:27.23 | JeffM2501 | ok so I assume you have it where to pause you need a message from the server right? |
| 16:27.27 | Skeeve | And some of them cheat. |
| 16:27.34 | CBG | ToughShooter: "Cheat" clients..? |
| 16:27.42 | ToughShooter | CBG: Yes |
| 16:28.07 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I thought of not changing the transfered bits much |
| 16:28.20 | ToughShooter | Just making send it the pause request instantly |
| 16:28.47 | JeffM2501 | ok and have the server do the timer |
| 16:28.47 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 16:29.01 | ToughShooter | and then check in the server how much lag he has at that time and use that lag value for checking if he can pause in combination with a timer |
| 16:29.06 | JeffM2501 | so then yeah just have the unpack call pause, pause call a check, and then start the pause timer if it's valid |
| 16:33.21 | JeffM2501 | ipod nano's are too small to be real |
| 16:33.45 | L4m3r | no, they're just too small to be cheap |
| 16:33.47 | Skeeve | Hi Jeff! Can you tell me: Which Timezone is bricad in? I see him online often but he's very quiet |
| 16:33.56 | ToughShooter | ~x de en kratzen |
| 16:34.02 | JeffM2501 | eastern |
| 16:34.08 | L4m3r | brLcad |
| 16:34.20 | ToughShooter | You gonna scratch those nanos faster than the minis :p |
| 16:34.28 | ToughShooter | I love the minis |
| 16:34.29 | Skeeve | so eastern? East Coast US? |
| 16:34.38 | JeffM2501 | but he dosn't work "normal" hours |
| 16:34.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah us |
| 16:34.44 | JeffM2501 | so it's a crap shoot |
| 16:34.46 | L4m3r | yeah, the nano is supposedly made of crappy plastic that scratches even more easily than normal ipods |
| 16:34.48 | JeffM2501 | what did you need from him? |
| 16:34.49 | Skeeve | Okay. Thx |
| 16:35.08 | L4m3r | minis don't scracth, but they dent... |
| 16:35.13 | Skeeve | Still searching for the reason for the broken Makefiles |
| 16:35.33 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 16:35.41 | JeffM2501 | did you send him a pm on bzbb? |
| 16:35.52 | Skeeve | I have an up-to-date XCode but all Makefiles below plugins are broken. All others are okay. A_Meteorite has the same problem |
| 16:36.12 | JeffM2501 | what error do you get for the plugin ones? |
| 16:36.31 | Skeeve | I /msg-ed him but I don't know whether or not he still wants to trace that down and how I can help him |
| 16:36.56 | JeffM2501 | what error do you get? |
| 16:37.02 | Skeeve | The problem is that the top_srcdir variable in plugins' Makefiles are one level to few. |
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| 16:37.11 | Skeeve | So . instead of .. and .. instead of ../.. |
| 16:37.28 | Skeeve | But that's not the case with any other makefile |
| 16:37.42 | JeffM2501 | the plugins dir makefile is setup to be able to be run by itself |
| 16:37.54 | JeffM2501 | but what specific error do you get, it may be one I've seen before |
| 16:38.01 | Skeeve | The only difference is that configure is called recursively for plugins but not for the others |
| 16:38.23 | Skeeve | It's that it can't find misc/depcomp |
| 16:38.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah as I say plugins are difrent as they are made to be able to be built solo |
| 16:38.34 | Skeeve | because it searches ../misc/depcomp |
| 16:38.41 | Skeeve | instead of ../../misc/depcomp |
| 16:39.02 | Skeeve | So there has to be something else wrong? |
| 16:39.14 | Skeeve | depcomp in the wrong location maybe? |
| 16:39.27 | JeffM2501 | well since you won't tell me the error, I'd just send him a pm on bzbb, that will send him an e-mail |
| 16:39.36 | Skeeve | I can tell you |
| 16:39.47 | Skeeve | but I have to wait until it appears |
| 16:39.50 | JeffM2501 | well I've asked you 3 times, :) |
| 16:39.54 | Skeeve | I didn't write it don'r |
| 16:40.03 | Skeeve | My machin isn't so fast |
| 16:40.19 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 16:40.24 | Skeeve | I have to rerun ./configure |
| 16:40.42 | JeffM2501 | your running from command line? or from xcode? |
| 16:40.53 | Skeeve | Usually from xcode |
| 16:40.53 | JeffM2501 | and CVS or a tarball? |
| 16:41.06 | Skeeve | but when there are problems from commandline |
| 16:41.08 | JeffM2501 | if you are in xcode you should not have to run configure or anythign manualy |
| 16:41.10 | Skeeve | CVS |
| 16:41.15 | Skeeve | Updated yesterday |
| 16:41.17 | JeffM2501 | cvs head or 2.0 branch? |
| 16:41.34 | Skeeve | 2.1.8 |
| 16:41.39 | JeffM2501 | so head |
| 16:41.39 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 16:41.43 | Skeeve | (What does HEAD mean) |
| 16:41.46 | Skeeve | Ah Okay |
| 16:41.47 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 |
| 16:41.54 | JeffM2501 | head means the currentmost version |
| 16:42.00 | JeffM2501 | the top |
| 16:42.08 | Skeeve | Yes. IO got it |
| 16:42.11 | Skeeve | -O |
| 16:42.19 | JeffM2501 | yesterday did you check out clean or do a cvs update? |
| 16:42.28 | Skeeve | Update |
| 16:42.35 | Skeeve | checkout was from friday I think |
| 16:42.55 | JeffM2501 | did you just type cvs update? or do any other switches after it? |
| 16:43.15 | Skeeve | cvs update and then, when I remembered cvs update -dP |
| 16:43.19 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 16:43.20 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 16:43.38 | Skeeve | still configuring |
| 16:44.19 | Skeeve | open . |
| 16:44.23 | Skeeve | ;-) |
| 16:44.30 | Skeeve | I hate it when that happens. |
| 16:44.35 | Skeeve | That was for the terminal |
| 16:44.53 | JeffM2501 | just let me know when you have the error, I don't need the play by play |
| 16:45.16 | Skeeve | Okay |
| 16:45.30 | Skeeve | Maybe I have to leave for half an hour soon |
| 16:45.36 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 16:45.41 | JeffM2501 | I'll be here all day |
| 16:45.50 | JeffM2501 | cept for the half hour where I have to go interview DTR |
| 16:45.54 | JeffM2501 | and then lunch |
| 16:45.56 | Skeeve | All day= you're US too? |
| 16:46.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:46.05 | JeffM2501 | many of us are |
| 16:46.05 | I_Died_Once | I'll be here all week! |
| 16:46.08 | I_Died_Once | Try the veal! |
| 16:46.17 | JeffM2501 | ahh I was too slow :) |
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| 17:01.23 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: Why would you have to interview DTR? Is there something about his skills you need to understand? |
| 17:02.20 | JeffM2501 | our dept VP asked 6 of us to do so after he does |
| 17:02.38 | JeffM2501 | I am a little unsure of how he works in a more coprorate environement |
| 17:02.48 | JeffM2501 | personaly I think he'll do fine, but just need to ask |
| 17:03.15 | JBdiGriz | Tell him to lose the sweatshirt, and he'll do well in a corporate environment. :) |
| 17:04.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah I told him no hoodie :) |
| 17:07.07 | JBdiGriz | It looks like autogen and configure has to be done from command line in the latest xcode project. It's been commented out in the run script. |
| 17:07.09 | Skeeve | Jeff! I get some warnings. Would you like to see them? The eror isn't there yet |
| 17:07.25 | Skeeve | Yes, JB |
| 17:07.42 | Skeeve | I ran them both from commandline |
| 17:08.14 | JeffM2501 | pastebin :) |
| 17:08.32 | Skeeve | And there is no .xcodeproj but just an .xcode |
| 17:08.40 | Skeeve | ~pastebin |
| 17:08.42 | ibot | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/ (BROKEN AND SUCKING NUTS), or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com, or http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 17:09.50 | Skeeve | http://pastebin.ca/93634 |
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| 17:10.56 | JeffM2501 | JBdiGriz, I think for him mostly I'll be explaining what we do here and how we work to make sure it's a job and environment he'll like :) |
| 17:11.12 | JeffM2501 | Skeeve, that's just unused params |
| 17:11.21 | JeffM2501 | still should work |
| 17:12.01 | Skeeve | Yes, I know that it works. But they leave a bad feeling if you don't know the program well |
| 17:12.20 | Skeeve | DTR wants to start working for the same company you do? |
| 17:12.45 | JeffM2501 | we have an opening, he is applying |
| 17:12.49 | JBdiGriz | Are you taking him to lunch, or is the VP doing those honors? |
| 17:12.52 | Skeeve | ../misc/depcomp: ../misc/depcomp: No such file or directory |
| 17:12.55 | JeffM2501 | VP probalby will |
| 17:13.03 | Skeeve | That's the error I get |
| 17:13.10 | JeffM2501 | VP is picking him up form the airport too |
| 17:13.31 | JeffM2501 | my interview with him isn't till after lunch |
| 17:13.52 | JeffM2501 | Skeeve, I'd like to see a pastebin of the log around that error |
| 17:14.28 | Skeeve | How can I get the log? |
| 17:14.34 | Skeeve | I ran it in xcode |
| 17:14.45 | Skeeve | Rerun in commandline? |
| 17:14.46 | JeffM2501 | xcode dosn't save it? |
| 17:14.52 | Skeeve | I don't know |
| 17:14.56 | Skeeve | However |
| 17:14.59 | JeffM2501 | well that's what you'll have to find out |
| 17:15.04 | Skeeve | I start make on commandline |
| 17:15.04 | JBdiGriz | Clover B gives you the build window. |
| 17:15.50 | JBdiGriz | Add a shift on that |
| 17:16.25 | Skeeve | http://pastebin.ca/93640 |
| 17:16.29 | Skeeve | ups |
| 17:16.36 | Skeeve | http://pastebin.ca/93640 |
| 17:17.35 | Skeeve | That's just build results, no the same I just pasted |
| 17:17.58 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 17:18.06 | Skeeve | Why "Clover"? We in Germany call this the Apple or Command Key |
| 17:18.21 | JeffM2501 | cus that's what it looks like ;) |
| 17:18.39 | Skeeve | Hmmm... I have to look up what a "Clover" is |
| 17:19.25 | Skeeve | AHHH! Klee! |
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| 17:19.57 | JeffM2501 | what is wierd is there is no file called depcomp in /misc in the source tree |
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| 17:20.02 | JeffM2501 | so what is it looking for |
| 17:20.03 | Skeeve | Did the pastbin content show you something informative, Jeff? |
| 17:20.25 | JeffM2501 | somewhat |
| 17:20.28 | JeffM2501 | still looking |
| 17:21.15 | JBdiGriz | depcomp appears to be generated as part of the autogen/configure |
| 17:21.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah I was just gonna say that must be part of the auto |
| 17:21.32 | JeffM2501 | but why would it be put in /misc? |
| 17:21.47 | JBdiGriz | I'm not sure about that, but it's there. |
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| 17:22.29 | Skeeve | JB you should get the same results on your Mac I guess |
| 17:22.50 | JeffM2501 | it's the same autogen stuff that is done on linux |
| 17:22.56 | JeffM2501 | so everyone would get the problem |
| 17:23.14 | Skeeve | AHA! And you accuse my Mac of doing nonsense ;-) |
| 17:23.17 | Skeeve | Just kidding... |
| 17:23.26 | JeffM2501 | yes, quite possibly |
| 17:23.45 | JeffM2501 | you ever run fink or do any manual installs of auto tools? |
| 17:23.53 | Skeeve | Nah... Mostly it's me doing nonsense |
| 17:24.14 | Skeeve | I ran fink, yes, but bricad already told me to move /sw aside |
| 17:24.18 | JBdiGriz | There seems to be a problem with the the top_srcdir definition which is used in the depcomp definition. I haven't seen the problem yet, but I'm rebuilding from scratch with the latest files. |
| 17:24.19 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 17:24.27 | Skeeve | I didn't install any auto-tools manually |
| 17:24.56 | Skeeve | I used fink just to get ethereal |
| 17:25.19 | JeffM2501 | fink can often install other things |
| 17:25.23 | JeffM2501 | but we'll see |
| 17:25.33 | Skeeve | Yes... And I don't like ist ;-) |
| 17:25.42 | JBdiGriz | My top_srcdir is correctly set in the plugins/RogueGenocide/Makefile to "../.." You should check that file to make sure the setting is correct. |
| 17:26.03 | JeffM2501 | maybe you've got a pooched cvs dir Skeeve |
| 17:26.07 | Skeeve | I waited about half a year before I finally surrenderd and put it on my Mac |
| 17:26.08 | JeffM2501 | you may want to try clean |
| 17:26.19 | Skeeve | "pooched"? |
| 17:26.23 | JeffM2501 | screwed |
| 17:26.25 | JeffM2501 | bad |
| 17:26.27 | JeffM2501 | borked |
| 17:26.31 | JeffM2501 | gone wonky |
| 17:26.50 | Skeeve | Ah... Okay. Yes, I can rerun cvs checout |
| 17:27.02 | Skeeve | The third time, but anyway... |
| 17:27.11 | JeffM2501 | then just run from xcode, don't try to do anythign manual, just let it go |
| 17:27.11 | JBdiGriz | That's why I was trying from clean. You might want to try make clobber before you re-checkout |
| 17:27.30 | Skeeve | I simply use a new directory |
| 17:27.34 | JBdiGriz | Still need to run autogen and configure from command shell |
| 17:27.37 | Skeeve | That's enough, isn't it? |
| 17:27.48 | JBdiGriz | I'm doing the build from xcode, and watching the log |
| 17:28.00 | JeffM2501 | a clean dir is a clean dir |
| 17:28.26 | uso_p | top_srcdir is set to .. in plugins/RogueGenocide/Makefile for me and build works |
| 17:28.46 | JBdiGriz | There's a difference between mostlyclean, distclean, and a couple of other targets. :) |
| 17:29.01 | JBdiGriz | Does your build use depcomp? |
| 17:30.03 | Skeeve | Is it okay to run sh -x autogen.sh ? |
| 17:30.15 | Skeeve | Just to get every information available |
| 17:30.48 | JeffM2501 | I'd just run it in xcode, you do't need to do anything fancy |
| 17:31.05 | JBdiGriz | I'm not sure what the -x argument is, but it shouldn't cause any problems as long as it runs the script. |
| 17:31.26 | Skeeve | -x prints every line before it executes it |
| 17:31.39 | JBdiGriz | Go for it. |
| 17:31.39 | JeffM2501 | I think your overthinking it |
| 17:31.49 | JeffM2501 | but yeah whatever floats your boat |
| 17:32.19 | Skeeve | So no -x? I mean: I don't understand enough of autogen to understand what's going on there |
| 17:32.34 | Skeeve | So if -x doesn't help you... |
| 17:32.44 | JeffM2501 | techincaly you don't have to run autogen manualy |
| 17:32.48 | JBdiGriz | It doesn't make a difference to use the -x. It won't help me. |
| 17:32.48 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to do anything |
| 17:33.04 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: With the current project, you do have to run autogen manually. |
| 17:33.09 | JeffM2501 | you do? |
| 17:33.13 | JeffM2501 | ohh you don't on the tarball |
| 17:33.16 | Skeeve | But see what JB wrote: Autogen is commented out in xcode |
| 17:33.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah yeah I'm confused |
| 17:33.37 | Skeeve | Me too |
| 17:33.39 | JBdiGriz | It's commented out in the run script. |
| 17:33.54 | Skeeve | So I run it now |
| 17:34.08 | JeffM2501 | sure just ./autogen.sh |
| 17:34.23 | Skeeve | Ok |
| 17:36.14 | Skeeve | JB Which version of the AUTO tools does autogen report |
| 17:36.16 | Skeeve | ? |
| 17:36.45 | Skeeve | http://pastebin.ca/93680 |
| 17:36.58 | Skeeve | There is not much to be seen... |
| 17:37.26 | JBdiGriz | autoconf 2.59 |
| 17:38.39 | Skeeve | ok... mine too automake 1.6.3? |
| 17:38.50 | Skeeve | and libtool 1.5.0? |
| 17:39.02 | JBdiGriz | yes |
| 17:39.14 | Skeeve | Ah! Sorry My son (almost 2 years old) wants to take a shower. BRB |
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| 17:59.24 | Skeeve | back |
| 17:59.44 | JBdiGriz | The build works fine for me. I can pastebin the commands around RogueGenocide, and you can check for differences. |
| 17:59.59 | Skeeve | Yes please |
| 18:02.19 | JBdiGriz | http://pastebin.ca/93699 |
| 18:04.55 | Skeeve | Yes. it's ../../misc/depcomp in yours while it's ../misc/depcomp in mine |
| 18:06.16 | Skeeve | What does grep top_srcdir plugins//RogueGenocide/Makefile | head -1 report? |
| 18:06.44 | JBdiGriz | I checked a while back, and it's ../.. |
| 18:06.54 | JBdiGriz | That's generated during the automake. |
| 18:07.00 | Skeeve | It's still .. here... I'm going nuts! |
| 18:07.12 | Skeeve | It's generated by configure |
| 18:07.42 | Skeeve | I hade no Makefile after autogen |
| 18:09.39 | Skeeve | Which MacOS do you have? |
| 18:11.19 | brlcad | Skeeve: you keep trying me when I'm in meetings |
| 18:11.27 | brlcad | L4m3r: yes? :) |
| 18:11.29 | Skeeve | ;-) |
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| 18:11.39 | Skeeve | Don't you hate meetings too? |
| 18:11.54 | JBdiGriz | 10.4.7 |
| 18:12.08 | Skeeve | So this might be the root cause |
| 18:12.11 | Skeeve | 10.4.5 here |
| 18:12.35 | JBdiGriz | That shouldn't make a difference as long as you have the latest developer tools. |
| 18:13.37 | Skeeve | I do have |
| 18:13.40 | Skeeve | 2.3 |
| 18:14.16 | brlcad | meetings are not my cup of tea generally speaking |
| 18:14.23 | Skeeve | The difference could be seen in configure. It says: running /bin/sh './configure' --prefix=/usr/local --cache-file=/dev/null --srcdir=. |
| 18:14.39 | JBdiGriz | meetings can be very useful and productive if they are run by someone with an agenda and a clue. |
| 18:14.54 | Skeeve | Capitalize the "if" |
| 18:14.57 | brlcad | in brief.. there's something different about your autotools install from "everyone else" either from a missing software update or something else.. rather hard to say as there are a lot of piece involved |
| 18:15.08 | brlcad | the "overall" versions you have seem okay, pointing at something more intrinsic |
| 18:15.15 | Skeeve | my autotools are the same version as JB's |
| 18:15.16 | brlcad | like the m4 automake setup files |
| 18:15.24 | Skeeve | and his build worked |
| 18:15.24 | brlcad | or stale acinclude.m4 file or somesuch |
| 18:16.04 | brlcad | that's what I mean.. your "overall" versions are okay.. but there are other components to that underneath the hood -- resource files that autoconf/automake/libtool use to function correctly |
| 18:16.23 | JBdiGriz | The srcdir would have to be set correctly for the bzflag client build to work. I would say there is something in the plugins directory that wasn't updated correctly. |
| 18:16.27 | brlcad | particularly relevant to subdir configures, though I just can't think of what would be different |
| 18:16.31 | brlcad | fink usually is the culprit |
| 18:16.46 | brlcad | but that should be factored out now |
| 18:16.51 | Skeeve | I'd love to get rid of fink |
| 18:16.59 | brlcad | so get rid of it :) |
| 18:17.11 | JBdiGriz | I have never installed fink on this machine. I tried it once on another machine, and it completely screwed a number of other things I was doing. |
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| 18:17.16 | brlcad | it's isolated to that /sw dir, sudo rm -rf /sw |
| 18:17.20 | Skeeve | But it won't remove/correct what it broke |
| 18:17.33 | Skeeve | /sw isn't there |
| 18:17.37 | brlcad | it didn't necessarily break anything in this case |
| 18:17.45 | brlcad | it's just usually the cause of this exact same symptom |
| 18:17.45 | Skeeve | it's /sw-off now |
| 18:18.06 | Skeeve | So whatever it is, it's not in /sw |
| 18:18.23 | brlcad | Skeeve: so when you create a new terminal window, it should be giving you an error about /sw/bin/init.sh not being able to run or somesuch? |
| 18:18.43 | Skeeve | nope |
| 18:18.52 | brlcad | hm |
| 18:18.58 | Skeeve | because I never run that |
| 18:19.11 | Skeeve | #. /sw/bin/init.sh |
| 18:19.19 | Skeeve | is the line in . profile |
| 18:19.19 | brlcad | k |
| 18:19.34 | Skeeve | Ah no! It's |
| 18:19.39 | Skeeve | test -r /sw/bin/init.sh && . /sw/bin/init.sh |
| 18:19.55 | brlcad | also should be okay |
| 18:19.56 | Skeeve | The effect is the same |
| 18:20.31 | Skeeve | JB can you rerun configure and watch for the configure messages for plugins? |
| 18:20.32 | brlcad | fwiw, this has nothing to do with xcode itself or running the build from xcode -- xcode just calls some bassic command line build steps |
| 18:20.44 | Skeeve | Yes |
| 18:20.50 | brlcad | (intended to be run from a source distribution, not cvs checkout -- hence the commenting of autogen.sh) |
| 18:20.50 | Skeeve | I ran it from commandline |
| 18:21.22 | brlcad | did you run ./autogen.sh -v or did I miss that log? |
| 18:21.31 | Skeeve | I had that running |
| 18:21.33 | brlcad | (on a clean checkout) |
| 18:21.38 | Skeeve | I'll search it |
| 18:21.45 | brlcad | post it |
| 18:22.01 | brlcad | intimitely familiar with what "should" happen on os x ;) |
| 18:22.22 | JBdiGriz | you should get a gf. :) |
| 18:22.30 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:22.45 | Skeeve | It's already gone :-( |
| 18:22.57 | Skeeve | I'll do my fourth checkout |
| 18:23.08 | JBdiGriz | Just rerun configure |
| 18:23.35 | brlcad | Skeeve: if you're willing to open up a guest account, I can try debugging the issue remotely more effectively |
| 18:23.47 | ToughShooter | **** |
| 18:23.53 | ToughShooter | I hate my code :/ |
| 18:24.08 | JBdiGriz | Write better code. |
| 18:24.11 | Skeeve | I'm willing but unable. I'd have to forward a port on my Router but never succeeded in doing so |
| 18:24.16 | ToughShooter | Just when I thought I was finished, I see that players change to rabbit when they unpause |
| 18:24.25 | brlcad | Deep Thoughts, by JBdiGriz ;) |
| 18:24.33 | Skeeve | J what does the line look like? /bin/sh './configure' --prefix?usr/local --cache-file?dev/null --srcdir=. |
| 18:25.00 | brlcad | Skeeve: what line? |
| 18:25.02 | JBdiGriz | I actually just do a ./configure |
| 18:25.26 | Skeeve | On JB's configure |
| 18:25.52 | Skeeve | I only saw --srcdir=. on the line executing configure in plugins |
| 18:26.01 | Skeeve | And I "think" it should be --srcdir=.. |
| 18:27.15 | brlcad | what should work: cvs -d anonymous@bzflag.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag checkout -P bzflag && cd bzflag && ./autogen.sh -v > autogen.log 2>&1 |
| 18:27.32 | brlcad | followed by: ./configure && make |
| 18:27.57 | Skeeve | I just entered the commands up to cd bzflag |
| 18:29.03 | brlcad | if you do those two, post up the autogen.log to pastebin for perusal |
| 18:29.14 | brlcad | and the config.log for both . and plugins/. |
| 18:29.40 | Skeeve | the config.log is generated automagically? |
| 18:29.48 | JBdiGriz | yes |
| 18:30.01 | brlcad | generated during configure |
| 18:30.39 | brlcad | there are two configures that kick off, the top-level one kicks off the plugins/ configure at the end |
| 18:31.01 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/ (configure.ac plugins/configure.ac): make maintainer-clean work |
| 18:32.15 | ToughShooter | Yay, it is independend of my code, just another bug showing up with certain server configs |
| 18:32.45 | JBdiGriz | so you're feeling better about your code? |
| 18:33.02 | Skeeve | Hmmm... checkout hangs? |
| 18:36.44 | ToughShooter | JBdiGriz: Yes ;) |
| 18:40.07 | Skeeve | bricade: http://pastebin.ca/93742 |
| 18:40.23 | Skeeve | I found this message: Found extra aclocal search directory: m4 |
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| 18:41.42 | brlcad | Skeeve: you keep spelling my name right.. i don't get notification when you do that .. bee are el cad ;) |
| 18:41.50 | brlcad | s/right/wrong/ heh |
| 18:42.02 | Skeeve | sorry |
| 18:42.19 | brlcad | i don't mind.. just won't reply quickly |
| 18:42.20 | Skeeve | and how is it pronounced? |
| 18:42.54 | RatOmeter | Bruhlcad ;) |
| 18:42.59 | bryjen | it is not. he's an acronym |
| 18:43.26 | Skeeve | Why did I always see an "i"??? |
| 18:44.21 | Skeeve | Maybe because "bricad" (when you pronunve bri like bree) sounds like Brikett (something for heating made of coal) in Germany |
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| 18:45.15 | Skeeve | We did say the maximum allowable file size is 60,000 bytes. You sent us a file that is too big. Sorry, it is being ignored |
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| 18:45.26 | Skeeve | so no pastebin for config.log |
| 18:45.33 | brlcad | Skeeve: it's pronounced exactly as I wrote it: bee are el cad |
| 18:45.55 | Skeeve | ;-) I got it brlcad |
| 18:45.56 | ruskie | Skeeve, paste.se |
| 18:46.04 | ruskie | Skeeve, there's a ton of other paste sites as well :) |
| 18:46.32 | Skeeve | paste.se is non existens Safari tells me |
| 18:47.05 | ruskie | lol |
| 18:47.11 | ruskie | I guess it's a dumb browser... |
| 18:47.30 | bryjen | hamburgers or hot dogs? |
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| 18:47.59 | Skeeve | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at paste.se. |
| 18:48.11 | A_Meteorite | can't connect to paste.se either |
| 18:48.19 | Skeeve | a pasteBIN.se |
| 18:48.37 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 18:49.00 | ruskie | argh |
| 18:49.15 | ruskie | seems all paste sites nowdays are dying... |
| 18:49.44 | brlcad | Skeeve: odd.. autoreconf should have failed for you yet it did not |
| 18:49.56 | RatOmeter | people using up too much bandwidth for a "no business model" company to support |
| 18:50.00 | trac_ | any Dev online that knows a bt about the order-value in packets? |
| 18:50.25 | brlcad | Skeeve: do you ever remember seeing output from autogen.sh telling you to add a symlink to libtoolize? |
| 18:50.32 | brlcad | and if so.. did you do that? |
| 18:50.33 | Skeeve | pastebin.se doesn't accept it |
| 18:50.51 | Skeeve | No. I never symlinked anything |
| 18:51.11 | brlcad | Skeeve: run which glibtoolize and which libtoolize |
| 18:51.36 | Skeeve | both /usr/bin |
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| 18:51.51 | brlcad | paste here: ls -la /usr/bin/*libtool* |
| 18:52.07 | Skeeve | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 206466 Dec 25 2005 /usr/bin/glibtool -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 9927 Dec 25 2005 /usr/bin/glibtoolize -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 289536 May 3 20:56 /usr/bin/libtool lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 20 Jul 11 01:21 /usr/bin/libtoolize -> /usr/bin/glibtoolize |
| 18:52.34 | brlcad | heh, well "someone" made a symlink.. :) |
| 18:52.39 | brlcad | on the 11th no less |
| 18:52.42 | Skeeve | fink!? |
| 18:53.06 | brlcad | unlikely.. but it might have -- that's a longstanding mac bug |
| 18:53.07 | Skeeve | then it's not fink |
| 18:53.22 | brlcad | but if that was done without you doing it, I'm wondering what else might have been changed by something else |
| 18:53.30 | Skeeve | I'm sure it wasn't me... |
| 18:53.48 | Skeeve | Maybe some application I installed? |
| 18:53.50 | Skeeve | let's see |
| 18:53.54 | brlcad | the symlink definitely isn't the problem.. it's fine -- but it does indicate that something has changed your install |
| 18:54.29 | brlcad | and if, for example, automake's m4 files were "upgraded" .. that could very well cause this problem |
| 18:54.46 | brlcad | (and it wouldn't necessarily change the version of automake) |
| 18:55.12 | Skeeve | So where are the files? |
| 18:55.21 | Skeeve | Maybe JB can send them to me? |
| 18:55.32 | Skeeve | I can compare them then |
| 18:55.36 | brlcad | they are spread out, /usr/share has most |
| 18:56.02 | Skeeve | the ac* and auto* files? |
| 18:56.08 | brlcad | I wouldn't go just replacing them without being sure of being able to recover exactly what you have now |
| 18:56.21 | Skeeve | I want to first compare them |
| 18:56.28 | brlcad | s/files/directories/, yes |
| 18:56.51 | brlcad | and libtool |
| 18:57.07 | brlcad | though it shouldn't be using the m4's in libtool dir |
| 18:57.24 | Skeeve | /usr/share/autoconf is from the 18th |
| 18:57.37 | Skeeve | /usr/share/automake-1.6 is from 2005 |
| 18:58.38 | brlcad | 18th don't sound right, but you did say you reinstalled xcode .. it "might" have changed something |
| 18:59.15 | brlcad | half the autotools are part of the mac os x base package, not the devs tools (which is why they are so old) |
| 18:59.24 | Skeeve | Yes... That was on (or around ) the 18th |
| 18:59.26 | brlcad | not even the bsd package |
| 18:59.55 | Skeeve | I tell something! I'll go and update my OS now |
| 19:00.05 | Skeeve | 10.4.5 is mine 10.4.7 is JB's |
| 19:00.16 | Skeeve | I have the "Faxen dicke" (German) |
| 19:00.23 | brlcad | sounds like a plan |
| 19:00.29 | Skeeve | I hope this will fix the problem |
| 19:01.23 | Skeeve | I wish I knew how to say "die Faxen dicke haben" in English ;-) |
| 19:01.37 | ToughShooter | heh |
| 19:01.44 | Skeeve | My british colleague is on vacation so I can't ask him |
| 19:01.52 | brlcad | ~x de en die Faxen dicke haben |
| 19:02.01 | ToughShooter | brlcad: It is an idiom |
| 19:02.22 | ToughShooter | I do not know, what its translation is, either |
| 19:02.30 | Skeeve | ;-) Nice translation |
| 19:02.59 | ToughShooter | LOL-it's completly wrong |
| 19:03.28 | Skeeve | Maybe I'm fed up with this |
| 19:03.43 | Skeeve | Or I'm fed up to the back teeth |
| 19:04.17 | Skeeve | I think that's a good translation (according to leo.org) |
| 19:04.46 | pyr02k1[a] | why the back teeth, why not the front? |
| 19:04.55 | Skeeve | Ask leo |
| 19:05.08 | pyr02k1[a] | true |
| 19:09.23 | A-Delusion | I'll never forget the time I knocked out all four of my brother's top front teeth. I aimed the steel folding chair at his chest, but he ducked. Two of the teeth were imbedded in a solid oak door. |
| 19:10.11 | ToughShooter | Has anyone time to test a patch with me? |
| 19:10.17 | orange | I bet your parents were happy |
| 19:10.29 | orange | ToughShooter: a couple minutes, sure |
| 19:10.41 | ToughShooter | ok, one moment, I load it up.. |
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| 19:15.05 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Can you help me please? |
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| 19:25.44 | trac_ | OK, how rewrote the bzfs "sendPlayerStateMessage"? |
| 19:25.46 | Skeeve | I've been kicke because of excessive lag and I was warned 2 times... I wasn't warned :-( baderking is lying ;-) |
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| 19:27.35 | trac_ | loooool, JeffM are u there? |
| 19:27.59 | trac_ | *how = who |
| 19:28.36 | trac_ | any dev out there? ;( |
| 19:28.56 | ToughShooter | You are ;) |
| 19:29.04 | trac_ | instead of me ;) |
| 19:29.20 | trac_ | i am a noob-dev, so i like to speak to a prof-dev ;) |
| 19:29.27 | Skeeve | I am ;-) Butof just a small patch for joysticks |
| 19:29.36 | brlcad | check cvs logs if you want to know who changed it |
| 19:29.48 | ToughShooter | Ah, there is one ;) |
| 19:29.54 | trac_ | now i wanna know whether it is intended |
| 19:29.57 | trac_ | :) |
| 19:30.07 | brlcad | the logs might help tell you that too |
| 19:30.08 | trac_ | but i guess only JeffM can help me out there |
| 19:31.07 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Can you test my pause patch with me? Multiple clients on one machine are a pain :( |
| 19:31.11 | brlcad | well you haven't really asked anything yet other than "who" and whether some unspecified detail was intended :) |
| 19:31.33 | brlcad | the who is obvious with the logs, as is usually the intent |
| 19:31.55 | brlcad | if you ask something more specific, i would possibly be more helpful :) |
| 19:31.59 | trac_ | brlcad, : oh, sry.... i was too excited to do so ;) i think i found the solution to the number 1 in the BUGS list |
| 19:32.13 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, sorry was at lunch |
| 19:32.25 | brlcad | ToughShooter: in an hour I can |
| 19:32.27 | trac_ | i KNOW why the bots lose packages (instead of the buffer overflow thing :) ) |
| 19:32.34 | ToughShooter | thought you went to /dev/null |
| 19:32.45 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Can you help me? |
| 19:32.48 | JeffM2501 | with? |
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| 19:32.59 | trac_ | JeffM2501: can u help me first? ;)) |
| 19:33.03 | ToughShooter | I need someone else to test my pause patch with |
| 19:33.09 | JeffM2501 | I can't play at work |
| 19:33.13 | ToughShooter | Ah |
| 19:33.13 | JeffM2501 | so no I can't help you on that then |
| 19:33.21 | ToughShooter | np |
| 19:33.21 | JeffM2501 | trac_, what did you need help with? |
| 19:33.34 | trac_ | i saw that u rewrote or created the following function: |
| 19:33.50 | trac_ | sendPlayerStateMessage in bzfsMessages.cxx |
| 19:34.11 | trac_ | u use pack now, right? |
| 19:34.17 | trac_ | or more specific lastState.pack()... |
| 19:34.31 | trac_ | to send the new status to the players rather then just relaying it |
| 19:34.33 | JeffM2501 | thats the stuff that I just moved into functions |
| 19:34.45 | JeffM2501 | ahh yeah, so that we always use the server state |
| 19:34.46 | trac_ | but this way u broke the order in packets |
| 19:34.56 | JeffM2501 | ok, got a fix for it? |
| 19:34.56 | trac_ | pack = order++ |
| 19:35.07 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Would be nice if you will help me |
| 19:35.21 | brlcad | okay.. in a lil bit |
| 19:35.30 | trac_ | well, no, i wanna know whether i should simply do a "order--" or a order+=2 in client side :) |
| 19:35.51 | JeffM2501 | I'd have to look at to know for sure |
| 19:35.57 | JeffM2501 | it's been a while |
| 19:36.07 | JeffM2501 | let me get a work build going then I'll take a look |
| 19:36.21 | trac_ | thats why the bots dont work, U see only every 2. update ;( |
| 19:36.28 | brlcad | trac_: hacking something wierd like that in the client doesn't sound like a great idea -- if the problem really starts at the server it should get patched up there ;) |
| 19:36.28 | trac_ | k |
| 19:36.44 | trac_ | brlcad, : i think u are right :) |
| 19:36.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah if the packet is wrong, then it shoudl be fixed before its sent out |
| 19:36.54 | JeffM2501 | maybe I'm not updating enough stuff in the last state |
| 19:36.56 | brlcad | plenty of time ;) |
| 19:36.59 | JeffM2501 | I'll take a look |
| 19:37.16 | trac_ | well the problem is that u use "pack" thats all... |
| 19:37.25 | JeffM2501 | the old code didn't use pack? |
| 19:37.37 | brlcad | Skeeve: find . -name depcomp |
| 19:37.47 | trac_ | i _think_ it did not |
| 19:38.13 | JeffM2501 | how do we pack up the last state before we send it to new players? |
| 19:38.15 | trac_ | because of pack function the order is increase but it is used to compare the packet order :( |
| 19:38.28 | brlcad | oooh |
| 19:38.37 | JeffM2501 | ahh, maybe just pass in a flag that says "don't bump" |
| 19:38.41 | trac_ | in 2.0.8 u simply relay it, right? ;( |
| 19:38.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:38.58 | JeffM2501 | I didn't want it to just blindly relay a packet that may have faked extra data |
| 19:39.25 | trac_ | yeah, but this way u change the order of the lastState class |
| 19:39.29 | Skeeve | Aha! So I upgrade "in vain"? |
| 19:39.41 | JeffM2501 | then maybe we need a vaiant of pack |
| 19:39.44 | brlcad | it's generating the Makefiles for the plugin directories twice so if there was a slight mismatch of versions of automake going, one might complete before the other and cause a . vs .. problem |
| 19:39.49 | trac_ | hmm... let me think... |
| 19:39.56 | Skeeve | I didn't want to upgrade because 10.4.6 had problems with InstallAnywhere which we need at work |
| 19:40.00 | JeffM2501 | cus it sounds like pack does more then just pack ;) |
| 19:40.12 | trac_ | yep, it does ;) |
| 19:40.20 | brlcad | Skeeve: not necessarily -- upgrade anyways :) |
| 19:40.28 | brlcad | it'd be a mutual problem |
| 19:40.36 | Skeeve | I can't stop the upgrade anyway |
| 19:40.50 | brlcad | how bz has it now "should" work.. i'm just seeing how it possibly could cause a problem for a different mismatch of automake |
| 19:41.42 | Skeeve | Bye all I have to restart... |
| 19:41.48 | JeffM2501 | hmmm for new players we just call "packplayerupdate" |
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| 19:43.09 | trac_ | but it also calls "pack" |
| 19:43.22 | JeffM2501 | and since that's the first, it dosn't have a problem with compares |
| 19:43.24 | trac_ | ups |
| 19:43.29 | trac_ | pack from score ;)) |
| 19:45.05 | trac_ | it does not add 1 to order, cause it has no order |
| 19:45.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah there is an easy fix for that server side |
| 19:45.20 | JeffM2501 | let me just make sure it compiles |
| 19:45.33 | JeffM2501 | basilcy I just added a flag to pack that tells it to not increment |
| 19:45.37 | JeffM2501 | for the relay |
| 19:45.42 | trac_ | i see... |
| 19:46.00 | trac_ | but be warned: pack is used a hundred times all over bzflag and bzfs ;) |
| 19:46.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:46.09 | JeffM2501 | it's not all the same function |
| 19:46.19 | JeffM2501 | and default params take care of the rest ;) |
| 19:46.31 | trac_ | yep, clever one :) |
| 19:46.37 | JeffM2501 | that is what they are there for |
| 19:47.00 | JeffM2501 | just have to make sure I only commit those changes :) |
| 19:48.07 | trac_ | right after u fixed it, bots should work all right :) |
| 19:48.11 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 19:48.12 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): don't increment the order for relayed update packets so bots work. ( bug found by Trac_ ) |
| 19:48.14 | trac_ | i already started to fight with one |
| 19:48.16 | JeffM2501 | and there ya go |
| 19:48.28 | JeffM2501 | you did a good job of tracking down what it was :) |
| 19:48.46 | brlcad | ~trac_++ |
| 19:49.05 | trac_ | well, at least it works now for up to ten bots.... beyond u have a problem with system buffers ;) |
| 19:49.07 | JeffM2501 | yay for people who work together :) |
| 19:49.13 | trac_ | yep |
| 19:49.17 | trac_ | JeffM2501, ++ :) |
| 19:49.28 | JeffM2501 | you think that maybe we should split back to using more then one connection? |
| 19:49.39 | JeffM2501 | personaly I'd like to move away from client side bots |
| 19:49.49 | JeffM2501 | but it'll take a lot more work to get server side bots up and running. |
| 19:49.58 | brlcad | i like client side bots, but also want server side ones |
| 19:50.08 | trac_ | actually, the most superiour solution is to simple send a single packet to the client not a hundred one |
| 19:50.08 | JeffM2501 | client side bots are nice for some things |
| 19:50.20 | JeffM2501 | maybe we can just limit it to like 5 bots client side |
| 19:50.34 | brlcad | i always have more power to test out AI stuff on a client side |
| 19:50.38 | JeffM2501 | so make like a meta message |
| 19:51.02 | JeffM2501 | that is used to update all the bots various states |
| 19:51.08 | brlcad | yeah, limiting it at least to the point where it falls apart buffer-wise |
| 19:51.47 | brlcad | though that could also be a simple server limit of only N connections allowed per IP |
| 19:51.49 | JeffM2501 | yay no more TMS bugs |
| 19:52.16 | trac_ | TMS = ? |
| 19:52.17 | JeffM2501 | it's reasonable to make the server smart and know that these N players are serviced by the same update |
| 19:52.28 | JeffM2501 | Tombstone Machining System |
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| 19:52.45 | JeffM2501 | one of the bane's of my existance |
| 19:53.01 | trac_ | rofl |
| 19:53.05 | JeffM2501 | now I get release mode only scripting crashes |
| 19:53.06 | JeffM2501 | joy |
| 19:53.27 | brlcad | better than the sysadmin crap you used to have to deal with ;) |
| 19:53.47 | Skeeve | 10.4.7 up & running |
| 19:54.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:54.56 | JeffM2501 | I got them to hire another friend of mine for that :) |
| 19:55.13 | JeffM2501 | tho at least sysadmin stuff is usualy prety logical |
| 19:55.25 | JeffM2501 | here I have a crash that only happens in release mode |
| 19:55.25 | brlcad | waste of time :) |
| 19:55.31 | JeffM2501 | only when doing scripting |
| 19:55.47 | JeffM2501 | and only when doing one script, that takes about 45 min to puke |
| 19:55.59 | brlcad | that was entertaining when I was just getting started.. now I loathe it unless it's a brand new OS or something :) |
| 19:56.15 | Skeeve | sysadmin stuff is usually logical.. But usually boring too... Except if your name is Simon Travilglia, I guess |
| 19:56.30 | JeffM2501 | well you always have the option of just wiping the machine :) |
| 19:56.33 | JeffM2501 | here I can't do that |
| 19:56.42 | JeffM2501 | have to track and log out the freaking crash :( |
| 19:56.54 | brlcad | no valgrind goodness? :) |
| 19:57.04 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't crash in debug builds |
| 19:57.15 | brlcad | valgrind runs debugless iirc |
| 19:57.32 | brlcad | does it only happen on windows would be the bigger question for val ;) |
| 19:57.32 | JeffM2501 | started a boundchecker build but it took it over night to get thru only a couple parts |
| 19:57.42 | JeffM2501 | we only run on windows man :) |
| 19:57.50 | brlcad | crazy talk |
| 19:57.55 | Skeeve | top_srcdir = .. |
| 19:57.58 | Skeeve | FINALLY! |
| 19:58.05 | JeffM2501 | not much call for cam systems on other OSses these days |
| 19:58.37 | JeffM2501 | we probalby get 5-10 OSX requets a year, and maybe 1-2 nix requests |
| 19:58.40 | Skeeve | ;-/ Thanks... I'm so frustrated! I could have solved that long time ago :-( |
| 19:58.50 | JeffM2501 | and with bootcamp the OSX requests are going way down |
| 19:58.51 | brlcad | Skeeve: I highly suspect "something" you installed at some point in time took the perrogative of updating a few system files for you |
| 19:58.59 | JeffM2501 | what was it that you installed? |
| 19:59.07 | JeffM2501 | or just the upgrade did it? |
| 19:59.18 | Skeeve | Just the upgrade to 10.4.7 |
| 19:59.21 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 19:59.29 | JeffM2501 | you were 2 versions behind, that is odd |
| 19:59.37 | JeffM2501 | don't have automatic updates turned on? |
| 19:59.43 | Skeeve | You think so? I don't think it's cool... It's frustrating |
| 19:59.57 | Skeeve | I have that turned off or good reason |
| 20:00.00 | brlcad | the configure.ac files should still be changed to not dump out the files twice, I"ll give that a whirl |
| 20:00.02 | JeffM2501 | it's cool that the fix was easy |
| 20:00.06 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 20:00.10 | JeffM2501 | you on dialup? |
| 20:00.12 | Skeeve | 10.4.6 was installed by 2 colleagues |
| 20:00.30 | Skeeve | InstallAnywhere didn't run on their machines afterwards |
| 20:01.00 | Skeeve | It's an installer we "need" at work |
| 20:01.07 | brlcad | the upgrade quality control is pretty extensive if you've ever seen some of the details .. when stuff does go wrong, it's quite rare or isolated/isoteric to say the least |
| 20:01.16 | Skeeve | I still say We don't need no f*ckin' installer on Mac |
| 20:01.22 | Skeeve | But it's the Policy |
| 20:01.59 | Skeeve | I think I go and spend some money for a Mac of my own |
| 20:02.23 | brlcad | ahh, now for work environments, that's something different -- "the company" should be rolling out updates on their schedule, not apples -- make sure everything still works, etc ;) |
| 20:02.52 | Skeeve | "The Company" is < 20 People with just one Mac used regularly |
| 20:03.01 | Skeeve | And that's "mine" |
| 20:03.10 | Skeeve | http://www.ebuconnect.de/ |
| 20:03.15 | brlcad | plus if you had/have 200+ machines, you don't really want all 200 pulling updates from apple when just one can do the trick and the rest internally update from him |
| 20:03.23 | brlcad | ahh |
| 20:03.30 | brlcad | one mac is completely manageable ;) |
| 20:03.34 | Skeeve | See... It's 199 less and I'm working from home |
| 20:03.51 | brlcad | hmm.. she's cute |
| 20:03.54 | Mr_Molez | k |
| 20:03.56 | Skeeve | So even with 199 more there wouldn't be a problem |
| 20:04.22 | Skeeve | She is a Model |
| 20:04.29 | Skeeve | She doesn't work for us |
| 20:04.32 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:05.16 | JeffM2501 | smells like teen spirit |
| 20:05.23 | Skeeve | Just these pictures are real http://www.ebuconnect.de/index.php?id=12 |
| 20:05.55 | Skeeve | My 2 bosses |
| 20:07.02 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, do you know if debian is suposed to make .so files for plugins or what? |
| 20:08.25 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: what else would it make ? |
| 20:09.55 | orange | brlcad: perhaps a nice short-term solution for newbies would be a different download link that offers for them to register their callsign before they even download. Aren't there other games that do that? |
| 20:10.08 | I_Died_Once | I got a off topic question that still relates... |
| 20:10.37 | I_Died_Once | running a server - whats a good way to effectively ban an ip from connecting to that machine? |
| 20:10.59 | I_Died_Once | be it resolving a web page hosted there, ssh'ing in, or playing on a game hosted ont hat machine |
| 20:11.19 | orange | firewall |
| 20:11.33 | orange | if you don't have one, then the scope of the question is too large for here :-) |
| 20:11.51 | orange | but most routers will let you do some rudimentary blocking |
| 20:12.10 | I_Died_Once | its a remote machine we ssh in to |
| 20:12.30 | orange | you pay for the service? |
| 20:12.34 | I_Died_Once | yeah |
| 20:12.36 | orange | if so, ask your provider |
| 20:12.52 | orange | because it will be very dependent on their setup |
| 20:13.01 | I_Died_Once | I thought there would be a "deny" type of file to edit it |
| 20:13.14 | orange | it depends totally on how they are set up |
| 20:13.15 | Mr_Molez | I_Died_Once: there is for web server |
| 20:13.25 | Mr_Molez | im sure ssh does too |
| 20:13.35 | Mr_Molez | contacting isp is just over kill and a waste of peoples time |
| 20:13.41 | orange | Mr_Molez: not at all |
| 20:13.44 | orange | if they're paying for a server |
| 20:13.51 | orange | then that's one feature they probably have |
| 20:13.57 | orange | probably through a control panel or something |
| 20:13.59 | Mr_Molez | doubt it for root servers |
| 20:13.59 | I_Died_Once | the main plan is to "super holy sh*t" ban fo all bans and prevent someone from connecting to any games hosted on a said machine |
| 20:14.03 | orange | we're not talking about a cable modem or anything |
| 20:14.05 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: get a gf, and stop lusting after the virtual ones, or getting intimate with your OS. |
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| 20:14.39 | orange | I_Died_Once: you want a firewall ban... you don't want to have to edit different conf files for every service |
| 20:14.39 | I_Died_Once | and completely blackball someone from connecting to said machine in any and every instance |
| 20:14.48 | orange | even though it's technically possible |
| 20:14.51 | A_Meteorite | I tried iptables |
| 20:14.55 | A_Meteorite | didn't work |
| 20:14.58 | A_Meteorite | hosts.deny didn't work either |
| 20:15.08 | A_Meteorite | or I'm totally seeing things the wrong way |
| 20:15.46 | orange | that only works if your services are tcpd |
| 20:15.50 | orange | which they may not be |
| 20:16.00 | orange | if you didn't install the OS, then ask your provider |
| 20:18.35 | Skeeve | Any administrators around? http://www.sysadminday.com/ |
| 20:19.36 | A_Meteorite | it's fc3 I know that much.. |
| 20:19.36 | A_Meteorite | iptables works for everything else so I assumed it would work for a drop :) |
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| 20:21.32 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I can render you a nice GF if you want |
| 20:21.43 | A_Meteorite | LOL! Render! |
| 20:22.06 | JeffM2501 | oh yeah |
| 20:22.23 | JeffM2501 | then we can cut her out on a nice big CNC or get it sterio lithoed |
| 20:22.44 | A_Meteorite | cool |
| 20:23.25 | Skeeve | Before you do so: Shall I ask my colleague who is responsible for the pages, where she bought the pic and whether she can arrange a date with the Model? |
| 20:23.57 | A_Meteorite | I assume you did that's what you did to the chick in your sig too? :) |
| 20:24.00 | JeffM2501 | then watch the pic be from 1990 |
| 20:24.24 | Skeeve | *lol* |
| 20:25.55 | Skeeve | NO! |
| 20:26.00 | Skeeve | ../misc/depcomp: ../misc/depcomp: No such file or directory |
| 20:26.43 | Skeeve | I was looking in the wrong file! It's still ../.. that should be there! Not .. |
| 20:26.58 | Skeeve | brlcad: PLEASE! Fix it ;-) Whatever you found |
| 20:35.20 | JBdiGriz | He's too busy with the picture and the OS. :D |
| 20:35.37 | JBdiGriz | or possibly another meeting. |
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| 20:45.14 | thompa | i downloaded and uncompressed 2.0.8, how do i install now? |
| 20:45.49 | Skeeve | Where did you download? Which OS? |
| 20:45.51 | thompa | i cant seem to find the instal readme in the folder |
| 20:45.58 | thompa | sorry linux debian |
| 20:46.06 | Skeeve | The source? |
| 20:46.14 | Skeeve | Or a binary? |
| 20:46.15 | thompa | its in my home directory , yes |
| 20:46.35 | Skeeve | ./autogen.sh |
| 20:46.42 | thompa | i was having some problems with the debian version, shoots going through |
| 20:46.49 | Skeeve | (inside the bzflag directory of course) |
| 20:47.03 | Skeeve | ./configure |
| 20:47.05 | Skeeve | make |
| 20:47.10 | Skeeve | su - root |
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| 20:47.27 | Skeeve | cd ...wherever it is.... |
| 20:47.30 | Skeeve | make install |
| 20:47.36 | Skeeve | At least I would guess so |
| 20:48.05 | thompa | those commands arent working, maybe i dont have make installed |
| 20:48.39 | Skeeve | Then you can't compile... Install them |
| 20:50.00 | Skeeve | open . |
| 20:50.02 | thompa | im running a 64 bit system, i hope thats not a problem, on the 32 bit install bzflag works |
| 20:50.17 | Skeeve | I can't tell |
| 20:50.40 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I don't think there are any outstanding 64bit bugs. |
| 20:50.48 | thompa | make is installed so is gcc |
| 20:51.03 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Still there? |
| 20:51.15 | thompa | the version on ubuntu 64 is old, has bug, shots go straight through |
| 20:52.57 | JBdiGriz | There is a problem with the ubuntu and Debian distributions. It's listed on the forums. http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8105 |
| 20:52.57 | thompa | i got build essential installed anyway, so i guess the problem is with ubuntu |
| 20:53.41 | thompa | i downloaded source bzflag-2.0.8.tar.bz2 |
| 20:54.03 | thompa | ive unpacked it and am in the directory but no commands work |
| 20:54.15 | Skeeve | JB: I can't remember: The line in your configure, where i's telling that it's runing configure for plugins. What was the value for --srcdir ? |
| 20:54.33 | JBdiGriz | top_srcdir=../.. |
| 20:54.53 | JBdiGriz | That's only for the plugins/RogueGenocide directory |
| 20:55.06 | Skeeve | No. I mean the message starting with configure: running /bin/sh './configure' --prefix |
| 20:55.29 | JBdiGriz | As I said before, I was just running ./configure |
| 20:55.36 | Skeeve | I know |
| 20:55.39 | Skeeve | So dsid I |
| 20:55.40 | JBdiGriz | It figures out the rest of the options |
| 20:55.47 | Skeeve | But the messages configure prints |
| 20:56.01 | Skeeve | contain the one I just posted |
| 20:56.38 | Skeeve | It 's just before the lines: |
| 20:56.44 | Skeeve | configure: ************************** |
| 20:56.48 | Skeeve | configure: * --- BZFlag Plugins --- * |
| 20:56.54 | Skeeve | configure: ************************** |
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| 20:58.34 | JBdiGriz | I'm getting a warning there configure: WARNING: no configuration information is in plugins |
| 20:59.10 | Skeeve | Strange... Why don't I... |
| 20:59.25 | Skeeve | You did check out CVS too, I assume. And 2.1.8 too |
| 21:02.22 | JBdiGriz | What files are in your plugins directory beginning with configure? configure.* |
| 21:02.54 | Skeeve | plugins/configure.ac |
| 21:04.34 | JBdiGriz | That's what I have, but there is a specific check in the configure script for configure.gnu, configure or configure.in. If they don't exist, you should get the warning. |
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| 21:07.13 | Skeeve | I see no warning around that test in configure |
| 21:07.24 | Skeeve | ah |
| 21:07.26 | Skeeve | I see |
| 21:07.49 | Skeeve | But it's testing others too |
| 21:07.57 | Skeeve | configure |
| 21:08.07 | JeffM2501 | heh, just had to explain bzflag to our VP of development.. that was .. odd |
| 21:08.07 | Skeeve | and configure.in |
| 21:08.26 | spldart | heh |
| 21:08.40 | Skeeve | plugins/configure is there so no wonder ther's no warning |
| 21:09.05 | JBdiGriz | I don't have a plugins/configure |
| 21:09.05 | Skeeve | A VP wanting to know something about bzflag!? cool man!? |
| 21:09.25 | Skeeve | Why not? You did checkout 2.1.8 too? |
| 21:09.36 | JBdiGriz | I guess that he was asking DTR about his experience, and how he knew you. |
| 21:09.43 | JeffM2501 | well had to splain how I knew DTR and what I've seen him do |
| 21:09.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:10.00 | JBdiGriz | I did a checkout of cvs HEAD. It should be everything current. |
| 21:10.08 | Skeeve | Okay. So did I |
| 21:10.12 | JeffM2501 | tho calling him his real name is kinda weird |
| 21:10.22 | Skeeve | So why is mine different from yours |
| 21:10.31 | JeffM2501 | cus I'm used to typing DTR |
| 21:10.32 | JBdiGriz | My guess is configure is a generated file, rather than in the repository. |
| 21:10.33 | JeffM2501 | not his first name |
| 21:10.33 | Skeeve | Okay... Here is what I did. Please compare |
| 21:10.46 | Skeeve | ./autogen.sh |
| 21:10.52 | Skeeve | ./configure |
| 21:10.56 | JeffM2501 | my name changed cus everyoen started calling me "pat" |
| 21:10.59 | Skeeve | ;-) Not much to compare |
| 21:11.14 | JBdiGriz | Thank you, Mr. Labor! ;) |
| 21:11.38 | JBdiGriz | I did exactly the same thing, so I assume that automake did something to create the configure file. |
| 21:11.48 | JeffM2501 | pat is long gone and dead |
| 21:11.52 | JeffM2501 | just like the capitan proton |
| 21:11.58 | Skeeve | I make distclean now and rerun autogen |
| 21:12.08 | JBdiGriz | I've never seen a purple cow. |
| 21:12.18 | Skeeve | distclean still in |
| 21:12.28 | Skeeve | Never? You're not german, JB |
| 21:12.37 | purple_cow | maybe you're just not looking in the right places |
| 21:14.03 | spldart | I have a fresh grab of cvs head from 10 AM... Not done anything to it.. Can me checking a directory for something help? |
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| 21:14.43 | JeffM2501 | wow Skeeve are you so very very wrong on both accounts ;) |
| 21:14.46 | purple_cow | you're free to guess all you like |
| 21:15.02 | JeffM2501 | hows the CA treating you purple_cow ? |
| 21:15.07 | Skeeve | A picture of a purple cow http://www.milka.de/milka/images/dede1/headers/header_cow.jpg |
| 21:15.29 | spldart | hehe |
| 21:15.44 | purple_cow | i usually don't wear a bell around my neck either |
| 21:15.54 | Skeeve | ;-) I didn't expect my guess to be correct, but it would fit... See the picture |
| 21:16.07 | bryjen | purple_cow: only if she asks really nicely? |
| 21:16.10 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: it's kind of grossly hot, but other than that pretty well |
| 21:16.14 | Skeeve | At least JB (could) have seen a purple cow now |
| 21:16.33 | purple_cow | bryjen: you know it |
| 21:16.55 | JeffM2501 | it's probably humid up there |
| 21:16.55 | Skeeve | okay plugins/configure is a created file |
| 21:16.56 | JeffM2501 | it's nice today |
| 21:17.58 | Skeeve | purple_cow: Did you name yourself because of the cow I posted? |
| 21:18.12 | purple_cow | no |
| 21:18.35 | Skeeve | But now you know why people might call you "Milka" |
| 21:19.35 | purple_cow | *shrug* |
| 21:19.40 | purple_cow | i have larger concerns |
| 21:20.34 | JeffM2501 | well you do know somone who may be called that in jest ;) |
| 21:20.59 | Skeeve | Anyone interested in some free (legal!) mp3 downloads? http://www.mercedes-benz.com/content/mbcom/international/international_website/en/webspecial_library/short_url/mixed_tape_e.html |
| 21:21.37 | Skeeve | Okay plugins/configure is created by autogen |
| 21:21.53 | *** join/#bzflag BlasterWisconsin (n=BlasterW@CPE-65-30-161-54.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 21:22.59 | Skeeve | Was that Tim *the* Riker? |
| 21:23.05 | JeffM2501 | there is another one? |
| 21:23.15 | JBdiGriz | Do you still have the symbolic link to glibtoolize? |
| 21:23.28 | Skeeve | I still have that link |
| 21:23.39 | JBdiGriz | Try removing the link, or at least moving it. |
| 21:24.06 | Skeeve | brlcad said it's not the problem. The link is okay. |
| 21:24.12 | Skeeve | But anyway... I do it |
| 21:24.53 | Skeeve | Ah no! The other Riker was Will, wasn't he? |
| 21:24.55 | Skeeve | ;-) |
| 21:25.11 | JeffM2501 | but yes that was the maintainer |
| 21:25.45 | JeffM2501 | well copyright holder, he's thankfully leting us do more of the maintaining now. |
| 21:25.45 | Skeeve | I asked him long time ago for a corbomite flag... Or was it Chris? Anyway... We still don't have that :-( |
| 21:25.58 | Gnurdux | code one up |
| 21:25.59 | JeffM2501 | was it one of those overly complex flags? |
| 21:26.01 | JBdiGriz | I suspect it is doing an automatic recursion into the directories because of that link. |
| 21:26.37 | Skeeve | It's an easy flag based on Star Trek Episode "The Corbomite Manouver" |
| 21:26.49 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't explain it to me ;) |
| 21:27.01 | spldart | A fake super repulser of all attacks flag? |
| 21:27.19 | JeffM2501 | a one shot repulsor could be fun |
| 21:27.22 | spldart | shoot you shot goes back to source |
| 21:27.23 | Skeeve | Anything hitting you results in the same thing hitting back to the offender |
| 21:27.24 | JeffM2501 | "get outa death free" |
| 21:27.33 | JeffM2501 | subspace had those, they were fun |
| 21:27.46 | JeffM2501 | Skeeve, and what counters it? |
| 21:28.09 | spldart | I guess severe use count restriction |
| 21:28.19 | JeffM2501 | thats where it get too complex ;) |
| 21:28.28 | JeffM2501 | any flag shold work in all modes |
| 21:28.35 | JeffM2501 | and be ballanced with the others |
| 21:28.46 | Skeeve | If we think about the episode: You can't shoot |
| 21:28.49 | Skeeve | Or at least |
| 21:28.57 | spldart | Ah |
| 21:28.58 | Skeeve | you can't shoot so often and not so fast |
| 21:29.00 | JeffM2501 | basicly that would make you unkillable |
| 21:29.17 | JeffM2501 | shild is the simple version of that flag |
| 21:29.20 | spldart | I can see the complexity in implemtation |
| 21:29.24 | Skeeve | Nope. If you hit with a normal bullet you can dodge the repulse |
| 21:29.40 | JeffM2501 | Skeeve, I know, that's a bit too complex for a simple game |
| 21:29.42 | Skeeve | Pitty if you steamrole or sw |
| 21:29.56 | JeffM2501 | it's too dependent on other things for it's ballance |
| 21:30.04 | Skeeve | At least it was put on the list |
| 21:30.16 | JeffM2501 | we went down that road with wings, rather not do that again with out much more thought. |
| 21:30.29 | JeffM2501 | sorry to say, anyone can put stuff on that list ;) |
| 21:30.35 | Skeeve | ;-) |
| 21:30.37 | Skeeve | I know |
| 21:30.44 | Skeeve | I've put another flag ther |
| 21:30.48 | Skeeve | +e |
| 21:30.54 | JeffM2501 | if we had pickup items that we coudl run as one shots, a repulsor would be fun |
| 21:30.56 | Skeeve | A teleport flag |
| 21:31.23 | JeffM2501 | that does what? |
| 21:31.30 | Skeeve | If you Right click (look at someone) you automatically set your home position |
| 21:31.41 | Skeeve | If you later jump, you get teleported back |
| 21:31.49 | Skeeve | That works just once |
| 21:32.01 | JeffM2501 | I'd do that as a one shot too |
| 21:32.08 | JeffM2501 | not a flag |
| 21:32.16 | JeffM2501 | your overriding too many default behavors |
| 21:32.18 | Skeeve | What does that mean? One Shot? |
| 21:32.30 | JeffM2501 | like a temporary power up |
| 21:32.35 | JeffM2501 | tied to another key |
| 21:32.45 | JeffM2501 | you can have one, when you fire it, you use it up |
| 21:32.47 | Skeeve | Right clicking with GM is also changing the default behaviour. |
| 21:33.00 | JeffM2501 | not it's actualy 2 behavors tied to the same key :) |
| 21:33.06 | JeffM2501 | the jump is the big thing |
| 21:33.18 | Skeeve | So that can be used for the teleport too |
| 21:33.18 | purple_cow | i don't see any need for new flags |
| 21:33.24 | JeffM2501 | basicly your preventing peopel from jumping |
| 21:33.33 | Skeeve | There is never a *need* for any new flag |
| 21:33.35 | JeffM2501 | so on a no jump server there is no penalty for the flag |
| 21:33.48 | JeffM2501 | I think there are too many flags |
| 21:33.51 | purple_cow | there's a huge variety of gameplay there already that isn't being taken advantage of because noone is creative with their configuration |
| 21:34.43 | Skeeve | Yes, jeff. They can't jump, because they teleport then |
| 21:34.53 | JeffM2501 | and on a non jump server? |
| 21:35.02 | Skeeve | And yes: No penalty on no-jump servers |
| 21:35.28 | JeffM2501 | it's less munchkiny then the other one, but still sounds rather complex |
| 21:35.40 | Skeeve | but it's the same with the jumping flag on no-jump servers |
| 21:35.51 | Skeeve | You can jump while others can't |
| 21:35.59 | Skeeve | And where is the penalty in that? |
| 21:36.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah but that takes up your flag slot ;) |
| 21:36.18 | Skeeve | So does it when it's a flag |
| 21:36.20 | JeffM2501 | like I say it's better then the other one |
| 21:36.23 | Skeeve | like I proposed |
| 21:36.31 | JeffM2501 | it's just a little hard to explain |
| 21:36.41 | Skeeve | GM is hard to explain too |
| 21:36.47 | JeffM2501 | somewhat |
| 21:36.52 | JeffM2501 | tho eveyrone understands missiles |
| 21:36.54 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 21:37.00 | Skeeve | At least if I think of all the newbies I saw the last fewdays |
| 21:37.09 | JeffM2501 | with your flag, I'd want the tank to drop a marker that is visible |
| 21:37.19 | JeffM2501 | if another tank runs over it, you die when you port back |
| 21:37.27 | Skeeve | So that people can wait there for you to appear |
| 21:37.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's a risk |
| 21:37.39 | Skeeve | Good idea |
| 21:37.49 | JeffM2501 | cus basicly your describing the porters from UT and subspace |
| 21:38.03 | Skeeve | I know neither of those |
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| 21:38.13 | JeffM2501 | well they work similar to what you described :) |
| 21:38.29 | JeffM2501 | often used for geting back to CTF bases fast |
| 21:38.53 | Skeeve | If I only knew more about bzflag, I'd try to make a patch for it |
| 21:39.06 | JeffM2501 | so good plan before a cap is to blast a redemer over the base to kill any transponders |
| 21:39.30 | *** join/#bzflag SpazzyMcGee (n=SpazzyMc@fordend.demon.co.uk) |
| 21:41.59 | Skeeve | JB: I removed the link and configure is not created! |
| 21:42.12 | Skeeve | So now again the long path |
| 21:42.42 | Skeeve | chckout # 7 |
| 21:42.59 | Skeeve | If I continue I get bzflag over the 1.000.000 download mark |
| 21:43.01 | spldart | eh? |
| 21:43.29 | Skeeve | spldart? |
| 21:43.33 | spldart | If I may ask why grab the source over and over? |
| 21:44.01 | Skeeve | To have aclean directory... Yes! *shame* I could have copied it before |
| 21:44.17 | Skeeve | But this way I get any updates done in the meantime |
| 21:44.19 | spldart | thats what I was goin to say but I'll shaddup now hehe |
| 21:44.25 | spldart | ah hehehe |
| 21:44.38 | Skeeve | No |
| 21:44.38 | Skeeve | Cpontinue |
| 21:44.38 | Skeeve | -p |
| 21:44.38 | brlcad | Skeeve: removing the link should have no effect on whether it creates configure.. |
| 21:44.47 | Skeeve | I need someoone to tell me how stupid I am ;-) |
| 21:44.59 | Skeeve | But it has, brlcAD |
| 21:45.14 | Skeeve | (I hate caps lock) |
| 21:45.17 | spldart | I had just grabbed the cvs this morning... tar.bz'd it.. then put a copy on all machine on at this time and one in my file server... one download.. many distro |
| 21:45.23 | brlcad | you'll get my nick right one day ;) |
| 21:45.39 | Skeeve | brlcad brlcad brlcad brlcad |
| 21:45.40 | spldart | lol |
| 21:45.51 | Manu | brl-cad :) |
| 21:46.00 | brlcad | if it doesn't make configure using the manual steps, then that's useful in itself.. need autogen.sh -v again |
| 21:46.00 | spldart | bzflagman bzflagman bzfl...... aaaaaaahh |
| 21:46.10 | Skeeve | From Time to Time I hit caps-lock instead of "a" |
| 21:46.22 | Manu | brlcad: don't say manual ;) |
| 21:46.37 | brlcad | Manu: that's what I tell people in #brlcad to use to distinguish between referring to me and referring to the project/code ;) |
| 21:47.19 | brlcad | no te gusta manual? :) |
| 21:47.20 | JBdiGriz | brlcad, or whatever your name is today, there is a difference between what "should" happen, and what "does" happen. |
| 21:47.32 | Skeeve | Manu/Manuel/Manual/Manuela |
| 21:47.33 | Manu | brlcad: it's because the irssi filter ;) |
| 21:47.47 | Manu | Skeeve: nah, Julio :-p |
| 21:48.03 | Skeeve | Iglesias? |
| 21:48.09 | Skeeve | :-P |
| 21:48.10 | JBdiGriz | Apparently that link causes configure to run autoreconf which will recurse, as opposed to autoconf which doesn't. |
| 21:48.11 | Manu | brlcad: manual contains manu and then I get it highlighted |
| 21:48.17 | Manu | :) |
| 21:48.26 | *** part/#bzflag BlasterWisconsin (n=BlasterW@CPE-65-30-161-54.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 21:48.36 | brlcad | JBdiGriz: hmm |
| 21:48.51 | JBdiGriz | There is a bug in the configure scripts which should probably be fixed. |
| 21:48.53 | Skeeve | ~pastebin |
| 21:48.54 | ibot | pastebin is, like, a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/ (BROKEN AND SUCKING NUTS), or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com, or http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 21:48.55 | brlcad | that is true, though that again .. "should" .. still work :) |
| 21:48.59 | Manu | bryjen: fun :) |
| 21:49.20 | JBdiGriz | Only if something else cd's into the plugins directory and runs autoconf there. |
| 21:49.48 | Skeeve | brlcad: http://pastebin.ca/93948 |
| 21:49.53 | brlcad | if it doesn't recurse, the top level configure has all the right output statements to create their makefiles |
| 21:50.05 | JBdiGriz | The fact that it isn't getting created ordinarily, is the first bug. The fact that it is being created incorrectly is the second bug. |
| 21:50.06 | Skeeve | And no!plugins/configure isn't created |
| 21:50.40 | brlcad | that's what I noticed earlier that led me to think it might be the duplication of AC_OUTPUT statements for the same Makefiles that might be hosing his version(s) of the tools for "some" still unknown reason |
| 21:51.25 | Skeeve | The bug is the message starting in line 9 of http://pastebin.ca/93948 ;-) |
| 21:51.35 | spldart | mmMMmm taco's |
| 21:52.12 | brlcad | odd thing is that I was pretty sure I'd removed them from the top level configure.ac when the subconfigure was added.. so either I didn't commit or someone reverted it |
| 21:52.40 | purple_cow | brlcad: going to siggraph? |
| 21:52.46 | Mr_Molez | ~bzflist |
| 21:53.00 | Gnurdux | ~bzquery silvercat.bzflag.org:5155 |
| 21:53.03 | Gnurdux | ~bzfquery silvercat.bzflag.org:5155 |
| 21:53.20 | brlcad | Skeeve: that line 9 bug has been a "Mac OS X Bug" since prebeta days.. Apple knows about it, acknowledges it, and plans to push out a fix in future releases at some point .. just hasn't gotten fixed yet |
| 21:53.28 | JBdiGriz | Please go play with ibot somewhere else right now, we're still trying to fix a bug. |
| 21:53.43 | brlcad | all it does is prohibits libtool-using projects from using autoreconf without setting LIBTOOL var or setting that symlink |
| 21:54.24 | JBdiGriz | We want to create a plugins/configure, and do it correctly, but we can't assume that we have that symlink in place. |
| 21:55.47 | brlcad | yep, that's why autogen.sh checks for it and still proceeds without it.. the manual steps work for me on several systems.. |
| 21:56.13 | brlcad | hence the "Attempting to run the configuration steps individually" |
| 21:56.40 | brlcad | Skeeve: what happens when you run configure? |
| 21:56.45 | JBdiGriz | but it's not recursing into the plugins directory. |
| 21:57.05 | Skeeve | back... let me catch up |
| 21:57.31 | brlcad | JBdiGriz: you mean autoconf isn't recursing, right? |
| 21:57.38 | brlcad | purple_cow: yes, I am |
| 21:57.45 | brlcad | are you? |
| 21:57.47 | JBdiGriz | right, but autoreconf appears to be |
| 21:58.21 | Skeeve | I just ran configure |
| 21:58.21 | brlcad | yeah, autoreconf does a cd then reruns all the steps there.. i've yet to add that logic to the manual steps in autogen.sh |
| 21:58.29 | Gnurdux | why're there python plugins in bzflag pastebin... i thought python plugin wasn't maintained |
| 21:58.46 | CBG | Someone's working on it. |
| 21:58.46 | Manu | brlcad: again manual :/ |
| 21:58.56 | CBG | Read the forums, Gnurdydux |
| 21:59.16 | JBdiGriz | Manu: You might consider a change of nicks for a while. :) |
| 21:59.16 | Skeeve | It gives me the warning JB already told me of |
| 21:59.22 | brlcad | Manu: you have a better word? :) |
| 21:59.24 | Skeeve | No configuration in plugins found |
| 21:59.25 | jujibo | hehe |
| 21:59.38 | brlcad | Skeeve: hmm ok |
| 21:59.39 | jujibo | :/ doesn't work :( |
| 21:59.47 | JBdiGriz | Of course you could do it jujiboally |
| 21:59.56 | jujibo | I have to remove manu from the filter |
| 21:59.59 | brlcad | Skeeve: well, i've got a test going here.. give me a few for it to finish |
| 22:00.38 | Skeeve | Shall I mail you the config log? |
| 22:00.48 | Skeeve | Or is the normal output enough? |
| 22:00.54 | brlcad | Skeeve: there's no way I'm going to get to rewrite the recursion into autogen.sh tonight, so go ahead and readd the symlink |
| 22:00.57 | purple_cow | brlcad: indeedy |
| 22:01.10 | brlcad | the symlink definitely wasn't the problem in any respect |
| 22:01.21 | Skeeve | Okay. I'll put it back |
| 22:01.25 | JBdiGriz | That creates an incorrect Makefile, so he really doesn't want to add the symlink for now. |
| 22:01.34 | Skeeve | After all: I can compile if I don't compile plugins |
| 22:01.57 | Skeeve | JB if I configure --disable-plugins it works |
| 22:02.09 | Skeeve | But I was eager finding out why it fails |
| 22:02.48 | Skeeve | So the link is back |
| 22:03.36 | Skeeve | And I quit irc now. brlcad - do you want me to mail any instructions for testing when you finished a fix? |
| 22:03.47 | JBdiGriz | There is always a simple explanation why it fails, and it usually begins with brlcad or JeffM2501 |
| 22:04.00 | Skeeve | No! That's too simple |
| 22:04.15 | Skeeve | They can't always be the "Schuldi" |
| 22:04.29 | Manu | JBdiGriz: good one :) |
| 22:05.13 | brlcad | Skeeve: one more test if you have a moment |
| 22:05.31 | *** join/#bzflag SC (n=SportChi@68-64-55-234.vnnyca.adelphia.net) |
| 22:05.42 | Manu | hi SC |
| 22:05.49 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: shh, your stalker is here |
| 22:05.59 | Skeeve | Yes |
| 22:06.22 | brlcad | heh.. Skeeve: remove all the plugins/ lines in the top-level configure.ac file near the end above the AC_OUTPUT section |
| 22:06.24 | Skeeve | A manual test, brlcad ;-) |
| 22:06.37 | Manu | :/ |
| 22:06.59 | Skeeve | so in bzflag/configure.ac ? |
| 22:08.06 | Skeeve | I'll clean the directory first |
| 22:08.22 | Skeeve | And I'll do that manually |
| 22:08.28 | Skeeve | :-) |
| 22:08.36 | Manu | better automagically |
| 22:09.10 | Skeeve | I can't do that automagically because I have no manual |
| 22:09.29 | Manu | das ich gut :( |
| 22:09.30 | brlcad | yes, bzflag/configure.ac .. edit it manually *ahem* |
| 22:09.51 | Skeeve | Julio you're not german |
| 22:10.01 | brlcad | ~manu++ |
| 22:10.04 | Manu | but you are :) |
| 22:10.09 | Skeeve | I am |
| 22:10.22 | Skeeve | and "das ich gut" isn't German |
| 22:10.43 | Manu | that is good :) |
| 22:10.46 | Skeeve | all the llines which contain plugins/ |
| 22:11.04 | Skeeve | or all the lines that consist solely of plugins \ |
| 22:11.09 | Manu | s/ich/ist/g |
| 22:11.14 | JeffM2501 | JBdiGriz, hey, I got nothin to do with makefiles :) I was just trying to help the man out from the errors I have seen people have, your doin the hard work :) |
| 22:11.22 | Skeeve | okay.das ist richtig |
| 22:11.53 | brlcad | Skeeve: the lines starting with... |
| 22:11.53 | brlcad | < plugins/HoldTheFlag/Makefile |
| 22:11.53 | brlcad | < plugins/Makefile |
| 22:11.54 | brlcad | < plugins/RogueGenocide/Makefile |
| 22:11.57 | brlcad | etc etc |
| 22:12.00 | Skeeve | Okay |
| 22:12.11 | brlcad | all the plugins/ ones |
| 22:12.18 | Skeeve | grep -v plugins/ < configure.ac > c |
| 22:12.41 | brlcad | niet |
| 22:12.51 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: I couldn't let brlcad take all the credit. :) |
| 22:13.02 | Skeeve | Anything else? |
| 22:13.18 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:13.25 | brlcad | JBdiGriz: heh |
| 22:14.01 | Skeeve | I think JB helped a ot, didn't he, brlcad? |
| 22:14.06 | Skeeve | +l |
| 22:14.21 | Skeeve | /msg Manu Do you understand German? |
| 22:14.25 | Skeeve | ;-) |
| 22:14.35 | Manu | some german swears mainly ;) |
| 22:14.54 | Skeeve | So maybe this one (just a joke) How up do high knee |
| 22:15.11 | Skeeve | Looks english |
| 22:15.15 | Skeeve | sounds german |
| 22:16.01 | Skeeve | and means "Go away you ..." Don't know an english term "Heini" is a german Nickname used to make fun of people |
| 22:16.11 | JeffM2501 | butt |
| 22:16.20 | Skeeve | brlcad: Shall I do anything else besides removing those lines? |
| 22:16.27 | Manu | Skeeve: do you understand spanish? |
| 22:16.38 | Skeeve | Not a bit |
| 22:17.20 | brlcad | Skeeve: just add the symlink and rerun autogen.sh -v again |
| 22:17.29 | Manu | Skeeve: You only need to learn a word: bier -> cerveza ;) |
| 22:18.04 | Skeeve | That one I know. But I don't drink it. |
| 22:18.06 | spldart | and 'mucho gracias' when you get your 'cerveza |
| 22:18.11 | JBdiGriz | Probably one more word, frio. |
| 22:18.32 | Skeeve | Un cerveza por favour? |
| 22:18.36 | JBdiGriz | Of course in German, it's usually served at room temp. |
| 22:18.38 | spldart | and banio 'sp' bathroom |
| 22:18.44 | Manu | well now you must say "agua fria por favor" because over 40C |
| 22:18.50 | Skeeve | Bier in germany is served COLD! |
| 22:18.57 | Manu | spldart: baño ;) |
| 22:19.02 | Mr_Molez | k |
| 22:19.03 | spldart | yikes |
| 22:19.17 | Skeeve | Sometimes in testtubes like in cologne but always cold |
| 22:19.28 | Manu | spldart: but usually we say "servicio" not "baño" :) |
| 22:19.30 | Pimpi | :) |
| 22:19.34 | Manu | hallo Pimpi |
| 22:19.34 | spldart | cuz after a bunch of dos equis you gonna need a toilet |
| 22:19.42 | JBdiGriz | ba?o |
| 22:19.50 | Manu | heh |
| 22:20.03 | Manu | JBdiGriz: no utf-8? :) |
| 22:20.15 | Skeeve | brlcad http://pastebin.ca/93983 |
| 22:20.28 | [NP]TangenT | JBdiGriz, bañate |
| 22:21.07 | Skeeve | plugins/configure is there now |
| 22:21.50 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/ (bzflag/playing.cxx platform/BzfJoystick.cxx): unused vars |
| 22:21.55 | JBdiGriz | You prefer the misspelling banio? |
| 22:22.24 | spldart | I just spell it like it sounds to me :-x |
| 22:22.25 | Manu | :) banyo |
| 22:23.05 | spldart | How do you say porcelan god in spanish :-p |
| 22:23.18 | JeffM2501 | taquilla |
| 22:23.19 | spldart | Or bowing to the porcelan god |
| 22:23.23 | [NP]TangenT | we say |
| 22:23.23 | spldart | lmao |
| 22:23.27 | JBdiGriz | tequila |
| 22:23.46 | Manu | spldart: porcelana Dios |
| 22:23.49 | Manu | heh |
| 22:24.00 | spldart | oh yeah.... I knew vios con dios |
| 22:24.09 | spldart | I should have figured that out myself |
| 22:24.15 | [NP]TangenT | spldart es un tortugo loco y le debe cerrar la voca |
| 22:24.15 | Skeeve | *ARGH* bowing to the porcelan god YOU ARE DISGUSTING! |
| 22:24.23 | spldart | IB taqueila |
| 22:24.27 | [NP]TangenT | antes de estar muerto |
| 22:24.28 | [NP]TangenT | :D |
| 22:24.35 | brlcad | vaya con manu |
| 22:24.41 | spldart | lolol |
| 22:24.43 | Manu | [NP]TangenT: tortuga and boca |
| 22:24.48 | [NP]TangenT | bah |
| 22:24.52 | [NP]TangenT | b and v mess me up |
| 22:25.04 | Manu | sounds equal |
| 22:25.14 | Skeeve | brlcad: top_srcdir = .. still wrong in plugins/RogueGen.. |
| 22:25.29 | Manu | but because the roots of the words there are v and b |
| 22:25.46 | brlcad | damn |
| 22:25.50 | brlcad | maldito sea |
| 22:25.57 | Manu | maldición |
| 22:26.27 | Skeeve | brlcad: Do you know something about ssh tunneling? Maybe I can give you access by that? |
| 22:26.31 | brlcad | chuleta! |
| 22:26.45 | Manu | chuletillas de cordero :) |
| 22:27.05 | Skeeve | Verdammter Bockmist |
| 22:27.12 | Manu | :) |
| 22:27.29 | Skeeve | Or as My (almost) 2 year old son said when I hit myself: "Scheisse" |
| 22:28.33 | Manu | brlcad: macarra :) |
| 22:29.48 | Skeeve | No translation for "chuletilla" on leo.org |
| 22:29.50 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:30.02 | Skeeve | brlcad: Can I do something else? |
| 22:30.06 | Manu | brlcad: do you know that word? :) |
| 22:30.34 | Skeeve | macarra is someone who "takes care" of some women |
| 22:30.45 | Manu | lol |
| 22:30.46 | brlcad | Skeeve: if you can open up *any* port, you can run sshd on that and I could get in, e.g. sudo sshd -D -p 80 |
| 22:32.52 | brlcad | Manu: no lo he escuchado, pero me suena como un cholo moderno o algo asi .. |
| 22:33.19 | Manu | brlcad: mas o menos :) |
| 22:33.19 | brlcad | un punk |
| 22:33.24 | Manu | no punk |
| 22:33.29 | Manu | more like the old rockers |
| 22:34.05 | brlcad | pues un hippie cholo :) |
| 22:34.27 | Manu | brlcad: esos que visten de negro y andan moviendo las caderas con chulerÃas :) |
| 22:34.42 | brlcad | eres asi? :) |
| 22:34.48 | Manu | no :) |
| 22:35.00 | Manu | I'm too old for that |
| 22:35.48 | brlcad | jeje, nunca too old a vestirse de negro ;) |
| 22:36.05 | Manu | no, pero eso de mover las caderas al andar... :) |
| 22:37.44 | Manu | John Travolta style... ;) |
| 22:37.59 | brlcad | s/pico/pito/ |
| 22:38.07 | Manu | heh |
| 22:38.48 | Manu | wel many ppl here can understand spanish, at last some devs |
| 22:39.33 | brlcad | yeah, that's unusual, but cool |
| 22:41.43 | Manu | brlcad: this keyboard fails like "las escopetas de la feria" :) |
| 22:44.10 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, quandry... what do you think about prescaning the command line for plugin loads, so that plugins can define handlers for new command line params, so they can be used for new game modes. |
| 22:44.10 | brlcad | Manu: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8396/ :) |
| 22:44.17 | brlcad | or http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/77ba/ |
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| 22:45.47 | brlcad | JeffM2501: sounds np-completish to actually get it completely right for all situations with variable unknown args unless we go getopt()ish |
| 22:46.04 | brlcad | but otherwise I'm ambivalent |
| 22:46.18 | JeffM2501 | the other option is to have the plugin overide the game mode entirely |
| 22:46.32 | brlcad | could force plugins to just use -set vars, which could be anywhere since you can set vars whether something will read them or not |
| 22:46.54 | JeffM2501 | sure the plugins are inited after the vars are loaded IIRC |
| 22:47.08 | brlcad | that's odd |
| 22:47.11 | brlcad | they probably shouldn't |
| 22:47.19 | JeffM2501 | it's so they can read the vars |
| 22:47.24 | JeffM2501 | on init |
| 22:47.29 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:47.46 | JeffM2501 | and we know that by then all -set commands are done as well as the vars file |
| 22:47.49 | Manu | brlcad: $79.99! wow |
| 22:47.52 | brlcad | that was a change to CmdLineOptions that I was working on for a while, getting rid of all that state stuff |
| 22:48.11 | brlcad | make it actually use getopt, with options registered by command handlers |
| 22:48.12 | JeffM2501 | I'm trying to think of the best way of doing truely custom game modes. |
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| 23:16.28 | uso | so bzfs checks the vars or commandline options not reclaimed by any plugin after all plugins red their stuff to check for wrong (typed) options? |
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| 23:24.16 | brlcad | uso: not exactly |
| 23:25.53 | uso | someone should do the check, even if options get extendable by the plugins |
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| 23:38.59 | brlcad | a prescan for plugins wouldn't really be necessary with the new factory-based cmd line processing since when it got to a -plugin directive, that plugin would get loaded and would register any new options |
| 23:39.27 | brlcad | it would just require that new options registered would necessarily come after the -plugin directive that might have created it |
| 23:39.34 | brlcad | which seems moderately reasonable to me |
| 23:40.44 | uso | ah, yes, good approach |
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| 23:53.08 | brlcad | yep, that's the bug.. doesn't respect the AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR([.]) for some reason on your version |
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| 23:56.37 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.ac: |
| 23:56.37 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: remove the unnecessary plugin AC_CONFIG_FILES Makefiles.. they are generated by |
| 23:56.37 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: their own plugins/configure.ac and some arrangements of the autotools really |
| 23:56.37 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: don't seem to like the duplication. causes Makefiles to get output with the |
| 23:56.37 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: wrong AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR for the subconfigure directories (mismatches things like |
| 23:56.40 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: depcomp and srcdir between the top and sub configure) .. thanks Skeeve for your |
| 23:56.42 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: patience and diligence in sorting this out. |
