| 00:00.01 | [NP]Tangent | I'm getting nothing |
| 00:00.05 | [NP]Tangent | even with full debugging |
| 00:00.13 | Deepa | does the server do a total crash after the segfaulting? |
| 00:00.20 | [NP]Tangent | yes |
| 00:00.22 | [NP]Tangent | well |
| 00:00.25 | Deepa | look |
| 00:00.26 | [NP]Tangent | it shuts itself down |
| 00:00.28 | Deepa | then you can do something i cant :/ |
| 00:00.49 | [NP]Tangent | occasionally it will show a message saying core dumped |
| 00:02.29 | [NP]Tangent | actually |
| 00:02.36 | [NP]Tangent | can you get on my server real quick? |
| 00:02.42 | [NP]Tangent | nullbzflag.gotdns.com 5154 |
| 00:05.11 | JeffM2501 | well everyone is still hung over monday |
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| 00:05.44 | brlcad | hmm.. that's a good idea *ahem* |
| 00:05.54 | [NP]Tangent | would one of you mind helping me out? |
| 00:06.02 | [NP]Tangent | just connect to my server real quick |
| 00:08.40 | silverfox | address? |
| 00:08.48 | [NP]Tangent | nullbzflag.gotdns.com 5154 |
| 00:10.02 | [NP]Tangent | alright |
| 00:10.04 | [NP]Tangent | that's just odd |
| 00:10.07 | [NP]Tangent | I can't kick bots |
| 00:10.10 | [NP]Tangent | or it crashes |
| 00:10.15 | [NP]Tangent | but I kick silverfox and no problems at all |
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| 00:10.35 | siimo | hi anyone know how to fix this weird vibrating sound in bzflag? |
| 00:13.37 | siimo | its like this crackling and delayed |
| 00:13.40 | siimo | all sounds in bzflag |
| 00:13.41 | siimo | :( |
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| 00:19.33 | siimo | hi silverfox |
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| 00:29.20 | siimo | hi can anyone help me fix choppy/vibrating sound in bzflag? |
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| 00:38.07 | silverfox | hello |
| 00:43.12 | [NP]Tangent | ugh |
| 00:43.17 | [NP]Tangent | someone's using my bandwidth again |
| 00:43.21 | [NP]Tangent | >:( |
| 00:43.38 | JeffM2501 | bandwith gnomes.. the worst kind.. |
| 00:44.18 | [NP]Tangent | I know |
| 00:44.18 | [NP]Tangent | :( |
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| 00:55.53 | JeffM2501 | so.. subversion ho I guess |
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| 00:56.32 | A_Meteorite | subversion? awesome |
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| 00:58.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah when they allow transfers |
| 01:00.19 | jacques | I'm getting a problem I think I saw mentioned here on the weekend - 2.0.8, latest ATI drivers, sdl 1.2.11, jerky motion seems like frames are being dropper |
| 01:00.21 | jacques | dropped |
| 01:00.32 | jacques | my fps is 80-90 |
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| 01:21.33 | DTRemenak | subversion!?! |
| 01:21.35 | DTRemenak | sweet |
| 01:22.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
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| 01:22.09 | DTRemenak | most excellent |
| 01:22.12 | JeffM2501 | like the word is given from "the man" |
| 01:22.14 | inchworm | moving from cvs? |
| 01:22.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:22.49 | inchworm | i've used both once of different products...subversion was much more intuitive |
| 01:23.00 | JeffM2501 | for me the interface is the same |
| 01:23.13 | inchworm | i don't always get CVS flags |
| 01:23.14 | JeffM2501 | we have to wait till SF lets us move |
| 01:23.33 | JeffM2501 | but when they do, we will move and kill the CVS |
| 01:23.39 | brlcad | yeah, i tried converting a project before they disabled it.. hosage |
| 01:23.44 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 01:23.48 | inchworm | ouch |
| 01:23.56 | JeffM2501 | we'll back it up first ;) |
| 01:24.08 | brlcad | didn't mess up cvs, just svn failed |
| 01:24.13 | JeffM2501 | well just in case |
| 01:24.27 | JeffM2501 | I did one for OGF, it worked |
| 01:24.32 | JeffM2501 | but that was a while ago |
| 01:24.39 | brlcad | actually, I already have automated backups of the cvsroot on .bz syncing once a week |
| 01:24.51 | JeffM2501 | that easy to move over to svn? |
| 01:25.15 | brlcad | should just be a click of the button |
| 01:25.26 | purple_cow | svn makes branching much less painful |
| 01:25.56 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, what do you mean "lets us" move |
| 01:26.00 | purple_cow | and branching makes refactoring and larger changes much less painful :) |
| 01:26.17 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, the cvs -> svn service on SF is down |
| 01:26.28 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, that was Tim's primary reason for wanting to move |
| 01:26.39 | JeffM2501 | he's moved on of his other projects and seen that is "good" |
| 01:28.36 | JeffM2501 | we had a nice long talk today and that was one of the things he said he wanted to do, I said we'd try to take care of it. |
| 01:30.00 | silverfox | anyone familiar with massive flickering problems with NVIDIA GeForce 5200 AGP? |
| 01:30.27 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, ah.. that sucks |
| 01:30.46 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, not really,it'll be fixed at some point, there is no rush, cvs wors for us now |
| 01:30.53 | JeffM2501 | silverfox, you on a dual core? |
| 01:30.58 | JeffM2501 | under windows? |
| 01:31.11 | silverfox | no, I don't believe so. New machine. AMD 2800+ |
| 01:31.15 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 01:31.21 | silverfox | dual core is an intel thing, right? |
| 01:31.23 | JeffM2501 | then probably vsync issues |
| 01:31.29 | JeffM2501 | no, AMD has dual cores too |
| 01:31.33 | JeffM2501 | the X2 line |
| 01:31.44 | JeffM2501 | IIRC they had them first even ;) |
| 01:31.51 | silverfox | Ah. It looks like an old TV that is out of sync, except going REALLY fast. |
| 01:31.53 | JeffM2501 | but no 2800s have them |
| 01:31.58 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 01:32.05 | silverfox | Win XP |
| 01:32.15 | JeffM2501 | current drivers? |
| 01:32.23 | silverfox | Omega drivers. |
| 01:32.33 | silverfox | current, yes. |
| 01:32.37 | JeffM2501 | you may want to go in and turn on/off vsync in the driver controll pannel |
| 01:32.42 | JeffM2501 | see if that helps |
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| 01:34.58 | A_Meteorite | Gnurdux: ping-a-ling-ling |
| 01:35.08 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, pong |
| 01:36.03 | silverfox | JeffM2501, have I told you lately that your my hero |
| 01:36.04 | silverfox | ?\ |
| 01:36.11 | JeffM2501 | I am? |
| 01:36.16 | Gnurdux | silverfox, lol why is he? |
| 01:36.46 | silverfox | I turned VSync on, poof! It looks beautimous. |
| 01:37.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah some displays can shear a very high frame rates |
| 01:37.10 | JeffM2501 | many LCDs do |
| 01:37.15 | silverfox | I don't think I could have ever figured that out on my own. I didn't even know the setting was there... |
| 01:37.31 | silverfox | the driver lets me specify refresh rates, that is unrelated? |
| 01:37.50 | JeffM2501 | well are you on a CRT or LCD display? |
| 01:37.54 | silverfox | crt |
| 01:38.06 | silverfox | older compaq S710 (17") monitor. |
| 01:38.08 | JeffM2501 | then pick the highest one your display can do |
| 01:38.12 | JeffM2501 | probalby 70 is the max |
| 01:38.16 | JeffM2501 | what res you run? |
| 01:38.56 | silverfox | your talking about the hz? |
| 01:39.00 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:39.03 | JeffM2501 | resolution |
| 01:39.07 | silverfox | I've tried all available res settings in BZFlag. |
| 01:39.08 | JeffM2501 | something by something else |
| 01:39.15 | JeffM2501 | what number do you pick :) |
| 01:39.27 | JeffM2501 | 1024 x 768? |
| 01:39.30 | silverfox | 1280x1024 is the hihest rest |
| 01:39.33 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:39.43 | JeffM2501 | then your display may only do 60 hz |
| 01:39.45 | JeffM2501 | that is the refresh |
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| 01:40.00 | JeffM2501 | basicly pick the bigest one that dosn't make your display say "out of scan range" |
| 01:40.20 | silverfox | yeah, 60 Hz is the only refresh rate available... |
| 01:40.27 | JeffM2501 | I'm sorry |
| 01:40.31 | silverfox | heh... |
| 01:40.35 | JeffM2501 | I'd go get a newer display |
| 01:40.39 | silverfox | OK. |
| 01:40.40 | JeffM2501 | but with vsync it should be ok |
| 01:40.51 | bryjen | lower resolutions may allow higher refresh rates |
| 01:40.58 | silverfox | The wife has been asking to get a thinscreen (flat) display. |
| 01:40.59 | JeffM2501 | that is also true |
| 01:41.07 | JeffM2501 | they are decently cheap now |
| 01:41.14 | JeffM2501 | you can get 19's for around 200 now |
| 01:41.19 | silverfox | yeah, local joint has 17"'s for 200. |
| 01:41.27 | silverfox | I haven't seen 19's that low yet. |
| 01:41.31 | JeffM2501 | you can probalby get 70hz at 1024x768 |
| 01:41.39 | JeffM2501 | oh wow that's a rip |
| 01:41.42 | JeffM2501 | dells are near 200 |
| 01:41.53 | silverfox | hmm... I guess I need to look harder. |
| 01:42.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:42.09 | JeffM2501 | the internet is a wonderfull thing :) |
| 01:42.13 | JeffM2501 | so is fry's |
| 01:42.42 | JeffM2501 | analog only dell 19s are 203$ |
| 01:42.44 | jacques | anyone recall who was having the "frame dropping" problem over the weekend? I think they resolved it somehow |
| 01:43.45 | A_Meteorite | if you have dvi on your video card isn't it best to go with dvi? analog just doesn't look right in my experience... |
| 01:44.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:44.06 | JeffM2501 | dvi looks nicer |
| 01:44.15 | JeffM2501 | the dual input dells are 260 |
| 01:44.17 | A_Meteorite | and expansion too :D |
| 01:44.33 | JeffM2501 | but on the smaller displays it's not that noticable |
| 01:44.46 | JeffM2501 | here have 2 displays side by side, one is DVI one is VGA |
| 01:44.48 | JeffM2501 | off the same card |
| 01:44.51 | JeffM2501 | they look the same |
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| 01:45.26 | JeffM2501 | I can see a little difrerence on my 24 |
| 01:45.37 | jacques | until you do a 1 pixel grid |
| 01:45.48 | jacques | then on crt it's moire city |
| 01:46.19 | jacques | sorry, with analog it's moire city on lcd |
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| 01:47.48 | JeffM2501 | that is possible |
| 01:48.00 | JeffM2501 | not that I do 1 pixel grids all over the place :) |
| 01:48.51 | jacques | heh :-) |
| 01:50.47 | silverfox | ha! |
| 01:51.13 | silverfox | cool, I installed the compaq driver for my monitor (instead of the "plug and play" driver) and now I can do 75 Hz |
| 01:51.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah that helps a lot |
| 01:51.51 | JeffM2501 | a lot of displays don't send out proper PnP info |
| 01:56.36 | jacques | ah, it was Gilly who had same problem - same dist (gentoo) and graphics hardware (ATI)/driver (fglrx) |
| 01:57.03 | jacques | he says 2.0.4 doesn't do it but 2.0.6 and 2.0.8 do, I've tried both of those, will try 2.0.4 now |
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| 02:02.59 | jacques | ah, same advice given to him works for me - turn on energy saver and set fpsLimit to refresh rate (in my case 60Hz) |
| 02:03.31 | jacques | but no tearing is much worse - I wish ATI drivers could set vsync with just an env var like nvidia instead of having to restart X |
| 02:03.40 | jacques | s/no/now/ |
| 02:05.17 | brlcad | 2might try tweaking fpslimit to slightly mire/less/2x/etc |
| 02:05.29 | brlcad | s/mire/more/ |
| 02:07.48 | jacques | brlcad, hmm that sounds interesting - 't' was displaying 58fps so maybe I should raise fpsLimit a bit |
| 02:08.24 | jacques | unlimited I get 80-90 so 2x is probably not an option :-) |
| 02:13.48 | silverfox | brlcad, you forgot the g (ie, s/mire/more/g) ;) |
| 02:15.17 | jacques | brlcad, does it accept fractional framerates? 62 gives 58 and 63 gives 62 |
| 02:19.01 | brlcad | should iirc |
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| 02:42.42 | Gnurdux | whats the webleague fix again? |
| 02:43.17 | jacques | sigh. apparently sync on vsync does not work on these ATI drivers |
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| 02:48.27 | jacques | yes, it's true 2.0.4 does not have the dropped frames issue |
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| 02:55.07 | jacques | ah, they do support it, just not in any ATI documented (that I can find) way |
| 02:58.22 | jacques | hmm, but sync on vsync reacts really badly with 2.0.8 (works as expeced in 2.0.4) |
| 02:59.14 | jacques | in 2.0.8 fps varies between 52 and 64 fps (when vsync is on, and monitor refresh is 60Hz) and it's very jerky - more so than without vsync |
| 02:59.51 | jacques | in 2.0.4 fps is solid 60 and no jerks (of course in 2.0.4 without vsync fps is 80-90 and also no jerks) |
| 03:00.15 | jacques | let me guess - devs don't use ati binary drivers? |
| 03:00.39 | JeffM2501 | I don't know many who use ATI at all |
| 03:00.44 | JeffM2501 | trepan and myself are nvidia |
| 03:00.45 | spldart | And I hadn't had this problem |
| 03:00.49 | JeffM2501 | dtr is nvidia |
| 03:00.54 | JeffM2501 | brlcad is tosh |
| 03:01.00 | spldart | I use 9600 and 9800 on win and lin |
| 03:01.45 | spldart | new release from ati on win and lin |
| 03:01.48 | jacques | I would use nvidia in a heart beat if I wasn't on a laptop |
| 03:01.50 | spldart | drivers that is |
| 03:02.19 | jacques | spldart, what's your hardware on linux? and dist/kernel version? |
| 03:02.23 | JeffM2501 | it may just be that system too |
| 03:02.39 | spldart | Debian, kernel 2.6.8-3-k7-smp at thjis time |
| 03:02.39 | jacques | well it's at least me and the guy who was in this channel on the 3rd |
| 03:02.50 | jacques | Gilly |
| 03:03.15 | spldart | msi k7d |
| 03:03.16 | jacques | I am on a thinkpad Pentium-M 1.7Ghz 2.6.16.20 kernel (no PREEMPT) |
| 03:03.31 | jacques | 9600 mobility 64MB RAM |
| 03:03.35 | spldart | big diff is your laptop and I'm desktop |
| 03:03.42 | jacques | yeah |
| 03:04.07 | jacques | but 2.0.4 works perfectly AFAICT |
| 03:04.11 | spldart | hrm |
| 03:04.35 | spldart | I'm not so sure it's 2.0.8's fault though.. but not sure |
| 03:05.00 | jacques | 2.0.6 also has the issues |
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| 03:05.12 | rathe | WARNING: MeshTransform::Tool::Tool() 2.0.0 inversion bug |
| 03:05.12 | rathe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.14 | rathe | whats that mean |
| 03:05.18 | rathe | im a noob |
| 03:05.26 | spldart | I've used X 4.3 and 6.98 |
| 03:05.28 | spldart | oops |
| 03:05.30 | spldart | 6.9 |
| 03:05.37 | spldart | and win xp |
| 03:05.48 | rathe | anyone |
| 03:06.01 | spldart | hrm |
| 03:06.08 | JeffM2501 | it means you used the spin transform in something before 2.1 |
| 03:06.16 | jacques | oh, BTW, I am running gentoo, xorg 7.0 |
| 03:06.18 | rathe | whats that |
| 03:06.24 | rathe | i just started the game and installed |
| 03:06.26 | JeffM2501 | it's a thing in your map |
| 03:06.29 | JeffM2501 | don't worry bout it |
| 03:06.43 | JeffM2501 | it should still run ok |
| 03:06.47 | rathe | k |
| 03:07.28 | JeffM2501 | are you trying to run the server or the client? |
| 03:07.31 | spldart | that is a small diff then jacques.. I've not run 7.0 and newer bz compile with ati |
| 03:08.06 | rathe | just play |
| 03:08.06 | rathe | the game |
| 03:08.06 | JeffM2501 | what did you run bzflag or bzfs? |
| 03:08.06 | spldart | nighty night |
| 03:08.50 | rathe | bzflag |
| 03:11.27 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 03:12.29 | jacques | I don't suppose any devs have macbooks? intel gma950 graphics - 2.0.8 OSX crashes within 1 second once I start a game |
| 03:13.29 | JeffM2501 | the mac binary? or one you built yourself? |
| 03:15.44 | jacques | the binary (sorry was in kitchen) |
| 03:15.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's known not to work on the intels |
| 03:15.59 | JeffM2501 | it's a PPC build |
| 03:16.10 | jacques | ah, d'oh |
| 03:16.18 | jacques | :-D |
| 03:16.23 | jacques | so it might work if I build it? |
| 03:16.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:16.47 | a_temp_dist | the unofficial intel mac build is here |
| 03:16.48 | a_temp_dist | http://eidotter.de/~alexx/bzflag/ |
| 03:16.56 | a_temp_dist | UNofficial |
| 03:17.11 | jacques | thanks! bookmarked |
| 03:17.21 | jacques | I iwll try it in a bit :-) |
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| 03:21.25 | pyr02k1[a] | l o christmas world |
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| 03:29.57 | pyr02k1[a] | l o l o |
| 03:30.07 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 03:30.31 | pyr02k1[a] | l o, hello, same deal, just not quite |
| 03:30.39 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 03:30.57 | JeffM2501 | just not sure what christmas had to do with it :) |
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| 03:31.18 | pyr02k1[a] | nothing really, i couldnt think of anything, it's a little late and im not quite asleep |
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| 05:04.59 | ocmongoose | hello? |
| 05:05.06 | ocmongoose | :/ |
| 05:05.20 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 05:05.53 | ocmongoose | hey |
| 05:05.58 | ocmongoose | wats up |
| 05:06.07 | JeffM2501 | not much |
| 05:06.21 | ocmongoose | u been playn bz much today? |
| 05:06.30 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 05:28.23 | blast007 | heh |
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| 09:23.41 | ToughShooter | How to apply a "cvs diff -u" to a local source checkout? |
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| 09:27.47 | ToughShooter | I tried with several -pX but it always failed |
| 09:28.12 | ToughShooter | Where X element of {0,1,2} |
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| 09:52.28 | ruskie | ToughShooter, tried without -p at all? |
| 09:53.01 | ToughShooter | umm, no :/ |
| 09:53.06 | ruskie | try |
| 09:53.10 | ruskie | I find that sometimes works |
| 09:53.17 | ruskie | when absolutely no -p option does |
| 09:53.45 | ToughShooter | I will give it a try in a few hours |
| 09:53.50 | ruskie | :) |
| 09:54.00 | ToughShooter | Doing something else now :) |
| 09:54.16 | ruskie | have fun :) |
| 09:55.29 | ToughShooter | But "setting -p0 gives the entire file name unmodified" from the man page implies -p0 is like no -pX |
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| 12:13.13 | spldart | Are the textures at http://trepan.bzflag.bz free to use? |
| 12:13.21 | spldart | for bz maps that is |
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| 12:39.27 | ryanakca | why is it that I can't connect to list server or identify my callname? |
| 12:41.18 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 12:41.52 | blast007 | ryanakca: check if you can get to this page in a browser: http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST |
| 12:42.05 | blast007 | and are you behind a proxy? |
| 12:43.35 | ryanakca | yes |
| 12:43.48 | ryanakca | no... I'm not... unless my system is playing tricks on me again |
| 12:44.39 | ryanakca | nope... nothing comes up in env |
| 12:46.58 | ryanakca | and no... everything else works... oddd |
| 12:48.28 | ryanakca | strange.... it works now... |
| 12:48.31 | ryanakca | hmmm... |
| 12:49.35 | ryanakca | ok... it works from Konsole ( a KDE Terminal emulator )... but not from KMenu |
| 12:50.10 | ryanakca | I think it's a bug... I'll look into it... cheers! |
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| 15:12.01 | trac_ | Any developer currently online? |
| 15:14.51 | A-Delusion | just ask the question. |
| 15:15.36 | trac_ | I like to know, whether it is planed to implement a replay function in the client. |
| 15:16.20 | A-Delusion | replay is implemented in the server, |
| 15:16.40 | trac_ | yes, i know, but i like to have it in the client :) |
| 15:20.07 | trac_ | At the very top of the RecordReplay.cxx file is a TODO. So i ask myself: Do the developer plan to change the structure of the replay file very soon? |
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| 15:23.15 | Mr_Molez | k |
| 15:24.45 | brlcad | trac_: not anytime soon, patches welcome |
| 15:25.34 | Mr_Molez | would chestals bzlogger count :P |
| 15:25.54 | trac_ | i am currently improving the bzlogview from chestal |
| 15:25.59 | trac_ | thats why i ask |
| 15:26.06 | Mr_Molez | ah cool |
| 15:26.30 | Mr_Molez | it actually would be nice if bzlogger could play games recoded by the server |
| 15:26.44 | Mr_Molez | *recorded |
| 15:26.49 | trac_ | chestal told me it was a quick hack and he would like it to do some DR. So i _thought_ about using the replay file. |
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| 15:27.14 | Mr_Molez | yeh ! that would be good |
| 15:27.21 | trac_ | but it would be very cool to have the option to record matches from client side. |
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| 15:28.51 | SportChick | hey trac_ :) |
| 15:28.55 | trac_ | hey sc :) |
| 15:29.03 | trac_ | <-- not meany at the moment ;) |
| 15:29.11 | SportChick | trac > always meanie |
| 15:29.26 | pyr02k1[a] | pyr0 >= meanie |
| 15:32.14 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: http://openleague.org/index.php?link=bzforums&forumid=3&threadid=73& |
| 15:33.22 | JeffM2501 | ok so XP and mac |
| 15:33.25 | JeffM2501 | that's easy |
| 15:33.34 | JeffM2501 | it's going to be the intel mac that may be a problem |
| 15:34.00 | trac_ | Is that the answer to cheat clients? |
| 15:34.11 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 15:34.25 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: just keep an eye on it, most people should post there soon. Although I think most of them are on linux |
| 15:34.35 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 15:34.43 | trac_ | so whats the point of it? |
| 15:34.53 | JeffM2501 | short term trust in tournaments |
| 15:35.00 | JeffM2501 | it's not a long term solution |
| 15:35.10 | trac_ | i see.. |
| 15:35.46 | JeffM2501 | eventualy the closed source part would be cracked |
| 15:36.02 | trac_ | yep, i think so |
| 15:36.17 | JeffM2501 | but if it's only viable for a week, it makes it harder |
| 15:36.19 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: is there any way for the server to check the size of the clients binary file ? |
| 15:36.36 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 15:36.41 | JeffM2501 | and the client could fake that |
| 15:36.45 | Mr_Molez | ah ok |
| 15:37.42 | JeffM2501 | for a long term solution there is no way you can trust the client for anything |
| 15:39.04 | inchworm | does that mean that there will always be cheaters? |
| 15:39.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah you can't stop 100% of the cheaters |
| 15:39.33 | JeffM2501 | but you can limit what they can do |
| 15:39.50 | JeffM2501 | and make what they can do have minimal impact on the game, so it becomes basicly pointless to cheat |
| 15:40.40 | inchworm | at what cost to complexity? |
| 15:40.55 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 15:41.01 | JeffM2501 | it's not that complex |
| 15:41.13 | JeffM2501 | you move a copy of all the logic server side and have it verify input |
| 15:41.20 | inchworm | i guess i'm thinking of stuff like punk buster... |
| 15:41.22 | JeffM2501 | if the input matches what "should" happen, you allow it |
| 15:41.27 | JeffM2501 | if it dosn't then you don't |
| 15:41.46 | JeffM2501 | punkbuster is motly looking for aimbots and stuff |
| 15:42.25 | JeffM2501 | we arn't even up to the level of basic quake |
| 15:42.35 | JeffM2501 | at least quake has a server side state |
| 15:42.42 | inchworm | true |
| 15:43.03 | inchworm | sorry, i take devils advocate too often |
| 15:43.12 | inchworm | maybe i'm just a negative person :) |
| 15:43.57 | JeffM2501 | by having the server check all the input and do the hit/death test, that can at least stop the major cheats we have now |
| 15:44.00 | blast007 | inchworm: something needs to be done though ;) if it makes it more complex, so be it |
| 15:44.33 | inchworm | blast007: but is a professional game the end goal of the bzflag project? |
| 15:44.46 | inchworm | if not...keep it simple and have admins |
| 15:44.46 | JeffM2501 | goal? |
| 15:44.56 | blast007 | JeffM2501: so something like a library that controls the physics, that both the server and client share, so the result can be compared? |
| 15:44.58 | JeffM2501 | it is simple now, admins arn't cuting it |
| 15:45.04 | Mr_Molez | what is best for the players should be the end goal :P |
| 15:45.15 | JeffM2501 | blast007, lib or internal code same deal |
| 15:45.19 | blast007 | yeah |
| 15:45.21 | JeffM2501 | they will share code tho, yes |
| 15:45.50 | JeffM2501 | but yes I would like to see bzflag be on the same quality level as other profesional games |
| 15:45.56 | JeffM2501 | I think that would be great |
| 15:46.20 | inchworm | cool, then we go cheat proofing |
| 15:46.36 | JeffM2501 | you can't ever fully "proof" it |
| 15:46.38 | JeffM2501 | so don't even try |
| 15:46.59 | JeffM2501 | but you can get somewhat close |
| 15:47.07 | inchworm | or you end up in as kiosks at video game halls :) |
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| 17:56.37 | Gnurdux | hi codergeek42 |
| 17:56.52 | codergeek42 | Hello, Gnurdux :) |
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| 17:58.01 | SpazzyMcGee | hi all |
| 17:58.08 | SpazzyMcGee | jeff? u there? |
| 17:58.25 | SpazzyMcGee | i get an error at bzbb |
| 17:58.29 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501 has been idle for 2 hours |
| 17:58.54 | SpazzyMcGee | well ok |
| 17:59.10 | SpazzyMcGee | i posted at bzbb about it |
| 18:01.49 | [NP]Tangent | can you run bz on a 64-bit system? |
| 18:01.55 | inchworm | yes |
| 18:02.37 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 18:02.46 | [NP]Tangent | inchworm, how? |
| 18:02.55 | [NP]Tangent | I've got a guy who wants to play, he just doesn't know how |
| 18:03.02 | [NP]Tangent | and I don't use a 64-bit system, so I wouldn't know |
| 18:03.02 | inchworm | compile it from source |
| 18:03.07 | [NP]Tangent | alright |
| 18:03.28 | inchworm | is it a linux box? |
| 18:03.32 | inchworm | or a windows box? |
| 18:03.33 | JeffM2501 | windows or linux? |
| 18:03.49 | blast007 | inchworm wins...by an inch |
| 18:03.56 | inchworm | w00t! |
| 18:04.20 | inchworm | but i better hand this QnA to JeffM2501, before I loose it :) |
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| 18:05.31 | JeffM2501 | if it's windows, the 32bit binarys work fine |
| 18:05.41 | JeffM2501 | if it's linux there is probalby a package, or you build form source |
| 18:05.49 | [NP]Tangent | it's linux |
| 18:05.52 | [NP]Tangent | he's compiling now |
| 18:06.11 | inchworm | build from source works fine for me on 64bit |
| 18:06.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah it will on all but 64 bit windows |
| 18:07.35 | inchworm | is there a recent binary build of BZFlag for netBSD? |
| 18:07.53 | JeffM2501 | probably not |
| 18:07.59 | inchworm | ok |
| 18:08.10 | blast007 | quick google is showing 2.0.2 |
| 18:08.21 | inchworm | yah..i was hoping for more recent |
| 18:08.34 | inchworm | maybe i should make one...but my netbsd box is a p90.... |
| 18:08.34 | JeffM2501 | if you ain't debian, windows, or mac, it's prety much build your own |
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| 18:09.55 | inchworm | JeffM2501: as my prof says...that ain't grammatical, but it is factual :) |
| 18:10.11 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
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| 18:12.32 | Goliath0807000 | does can anyone teach me how to compile a plugin ona mac? |
| 18:16.49 | Goliath0807000 | hello? |
| 18:16.59 | AlexandrTheGreat | what does the plugin do? |
| 18:17.13 | JeffM2501 | it should be the same as linux |
| 18:17.23 | JeffM2501 | just run make with the command line in the plugins dir |
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| 19:04.16 | spldart | If I set tank speed up from normal in my options in my world does the fast flag go up relatively from that or is it a static set speed |
| 19:05.24 | blast007 | spldart: the high speed is a multiple of the _tankSpeed variable |
| 19:11.40 | JeffM2501 | ahh the joy of geting your first mount. |
| 19:21.51 | spldart | thanks blast |
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| 19:35.30 | Pommes | anybody here? |
| 19:35.33 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 19:35.59 | Pommes | can somebody tellme how to detect the thin-tank-cheat? |
| 19:36.41 | JeffM2501 | it's not easy |
| 19:36.45 | JeffM2501 | lag will mask it |
| 19:36.58 | Pommes | hm |
| 19:37.00 | Pommes | yes |
| 19:37.10 | Pommes | but people have been found to use it |
| 19:37.13 | Pommes | how? |
| 19:37.28 | JeffM2501 | usualy it's watching people over a long time |
| 19:37.33 | Pommes | ok |
| 19:37.40 | Pommes | then I'll watch :) |
| 19:37.47 | JeffM2501 | and watching for them to admit it somewhere |
| 19:38.02 | Pommes | that would be stupid |
| 19:38.13 | JeffM2501 | many cheaters are |
| 19:38.14 | blast007 | cheaters are stupid ;) |
| 19:38.19 | Pommes | :) |
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| 19:50.51 | Goliath0807000 | can someone tell me how to compile a bzflag plugin? |
| 19:51.02 | Goliath0807000 | off of a source? |
| 19:51.22 | I_Died_Once | does it have the makefiles? |
| 19:51.38 | Goliath0807000 | for bzflag? |
| 19:51.51 | Goliath0807000 | or the plugin |
| 19:51.52 | I_Died_Once | ...does the plugin source have its makefiles??? |
| 19:52.04 | Goliath0807000 | one sec |
| 19:52.44 | I_Died_Once | nominally, you'll open a terminal, cd into the folder for the plugin source... then run "make" and "make install" |
| 20:00.12 | Goliath0807000 | ? |
| 20:00.19 | Goliath0807000 | yes it has make file |
| 20:00.27 | I_Died_Once | what operating system are you on? |
| 20:00.33 | I_Died_Once | windows? |
| 20:00.34 | Goliath0807000 | Mac os X |
| 20:00.40 | I_Died_Once | hmmmm |
| 20:00.46 | I_Died_Once | open a terminal |
| 20:00.50 | Goliath0807000 | ok |
| 20:01.08 | I_Died_Once | use "cd" to change into the directory where the plugin source is |
| 20:01.15 | I_Died_Once | what plugin are you wanting to compile? |
| 20:01.24 | Goliath0807000 | colorctf |
| 20:01.39 | Goliath0807000 | mirrorctf acually |
| 20:01.56 | Goliath0807000 | cd /Users/twgin/Desktop/colorctf_source/mirrorCTF/? |
| 20:01.58 | I_Died_Once | ok... |
| 20:02.00 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.08 | Goliath0807000 | then what |
| 20:02.09 | I_Died_Once | now type "make" |
| 20:02.18 | Goliath0807000 | command not found |
| 20:02.20 | I_Died_Once | it should... i dunno, do a bunch of stuff |
| 20:02.41 | Goliath0807000 | tcsh: make: Command not found. |
| 20:02.41 | Goliath0807000 | [Macintosh:~/Desktop/colorctf_source/mirrorCTF] twgin% |
| 20:02.49 | I_Died_Once | I'm not well versed in the waysof the mac.... ummm... |
| 20:02.56 | a_temp_dist | Have you tried the OSX binary that is posted in that thread? |
| 20:02.56 | I_Died_Once | have you ever compiled anything before? |
| 20:02.57 | a_temp_dist | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7075 |
| 20:03.10 | Goliath0807000 | never |
| 20:03.19 | I_Died_Once | install "make" is the best thing I can think to tell ya |
| 20:03.25 | I_Died_Once | aside from what temp said |
| 20:03.34 | I_Died_Once | use the posted binary for mac |
| 20:03.46 | Goliath0807000 | where? |
| 20:03.57 | a_temp_dist | see the URL i posted above? |
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| 20:04.03 | Goliath0807000 | yes then what |
| 20:04.27 | a_temp_dist | scroll down till you see my message with the OSX binaries attached |
| 20:05.00 | Goliath0807000 | ah then twaht |
| 20:05.05 | I_Died_Once | ... |
| 20:05.09 | Goliath0807000 | j/k |
| 20:05.32 | I_Died_Once | Twat did you say? I cun't hear you? |
| 20:05.46 | a_temp_dist | heh - i'm out again |
| 20:08.54 | Goliath0807000 | k thx i got it |
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| 20:18.05 | smalltux | interesting... i found out why i lag on e.g. dub.bzflag.org. that is, i don't lag on 5154, but i do lag on 59998 and 59999 :) turns out, there's a broken router so my ISP needs to reroute things, very interesting... |
| 20:19.21 | Birdie | thats why i cant shoot you! |
| 20:19.31 | smalltux | pffffft ;) |
| 20:19.43 | Birdie | killing my router, so thast the trick to be good:) |
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| 20:57.28 | JeffM2501 | mmmmmmm tuna and salmon :):):) |
| 21:00.36 | cosmos | sounds like something my cats would love |
| 21:02.48 | spldart | mmmmm grilled smoked sausage in rice with cream of chicken soup mixed in |
| 21:03.44 | JeffM2501 | you kill the flavor when you cook the fish |
| 21:04.39 | cosmos | the fish will kill me in any case since im allergic |
| 21:04.51 | I_Died_Once | Heres a handy little device: http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/5073/413acbfa000277vb9vt.jpg |
| 21:05.05 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:05.08 | spldart | IB last year |
| 21:05.25 | spldart | smoked fish in herb butter sauce :-p |
| 21:05.48 | spldart | The 'herb' makes yah crave more ;) |
| 21:06.18 | I_Died_Once | That reminds me of a joke... |
| 21:06.23 | spldart | ? |
| 21:06.38 | spldart | Yours reminded me of the next to lines |
| 21:06.58 | I_Died_Once | The thing about sex with an oriental - 30 minutes later you're h**ny again |
| 21:07.02 | I_Died_Once | sorry |
| 21:07.15 | spldart | wah wah wah wahahahaha |
| 21:07.18 | cosmos | you mean like a rug? |
| 21:07.27 | cosmos | since oriental refers to objects not people |
| 21:07.53 | I_Died_Once | Well I didnt wanna say Chink... |
| 21:08.00 | I_Died_Once | or any other potentially worse terms |
| 21:08.13 | cosmos | you could have said asian |
| 21:08.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus "asian" just didn't come to mind? |
| 21:08.37 | I_Died_Once | you guys seem to be talking abous sushi... |
| 21:08.56 | JeffM2501 | and sushi has nothing to do with chinese food :) |
| 21:09.05 | spldart | Lotsa asians that don't cook in the style commonly associated with the joke pun |
| 21:09.06 | cosmos | im talking about your "joke" |
| 21:09.07 | I_Died_Once | ...nm, just... nm |
| 21:09.54 | cosmos | hrm we got a player on hepcat right now "you shoot like a gay" |
| 21:10.25 | spldart | I |
| 21:10.46 | Birdie | he is looking into a mirror |
| 21:11.01 | spldart | IB I come on hepcat with username 'you shoot uber greddy' |
| 21:15.38 | I_Died_Once | http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7479/peter20griffen20king20of20the2.gif |
| 21:18.42 | JeffM2501 | umm.. eww |
| 21:20.21 | I_Died_Once | Yeah, that guy from King of the Hill freaks me out, too |
| 21:21.35 | spldart | Poltergiest is kew |
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| 22:12.05 | A_Meteorite | ~seen Gnurdux |
| 22:12.10 | ibot | gnurdux is currently on #botpark (1h 27m 56s) #bzflag (1h 27m 56s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 1h 1m 36s, last said: '~orly'. |
| 22:19.56 | Gnurdux | anyone know the webleague blankscreen fix? |
| 22:23.22 | [NP]Tangent | ~orly |
| 22:23.23 | ibot | YARLY |
| 22:23.29 | [NP]Tangent | hah |
| 22:25.13 | Gnurdux | O RLY? |
| 22:25.15 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 22:33.48 | spldart | Gonna need some help to name this map in a while :-/ |
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| 22:37.06 | Mr_Molez | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.26 | Birdie | lol |
| 22:37.31 | Mr_Molez | damn that sucks |
| 22:37.45 | Gnurdux | whats a league with no cheaters? |
| 22:38.01 | Gnurdux | :P |
| 22:38.21 | Gnurdux | Answer: a league without Mr_Molez! |
| 22:38.25 | Gnurdux | j/k |
| 22:38.32 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: grow up |
| 22:38.32 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez never cheated in leagues |
| 22:38.36 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, don't be mean, even in a joke |
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| 22:53.09 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you arround? |
| 22:53.24 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 22:53.36 | JeffM2501 | damn |
| 22:53.55 | DTRemenak | I'm a square :) |
| 22:54.00 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:56.17 | spldart | Saves the trouble of peski Pi |
| 22:57.57 | DTRemenak | pi = 3 is good enough ;) |
| 22:58.06 | spldart | Ah |
| 22:58.24 | spldart | You put in in the horseshoe and handgrenade group |
| 22:58.46 | brlcad | hmm. a square jedi |
| 22:59.46 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I "should" be able to make a intel mac binary on my mini right? |
| 22:59.54 | JeffM2501 | if I have current xcode |
| 23:00.05 | brlcad | yep |
| 23:00.14 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:00.18 | brlcad | xcode won't do it, have to modify the CFLAGS |
| 23:00.28 | brlcad | since xcode is just a wrapper |
| 23:00.31 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 23:00.35 | JeffM2501 | well at least it's dooable |
| 23:01.17 | JeffM2501 | then I think the only question will be fedora and suse |
| 23:01.56 | DTRemenak | tell 'em to suck it up and run wine ;) |
| 23:02.44 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:02.53 | JeffM2501 | well I'd like to a least TRY |
| 23:03.10 | JeffM2501 | would a binary made on my debian or ubuntu run on FC or suse? |
| 23:03.15 | JeffM2501 | if not done as a package? |
| 23:03.39 | DTRemenak | if you did things right. probably need to statically link more than you ought to. |
| 23:03.55 | brlcad | yay, static electricity |
| 23:04.00 | DTRemenak | zap |
| 23:04.05 | spldart | bzzt |
| 23:04.19 | spldart | electricy zapped the giant |
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| 23:07.49 | SportChick | JeffM2501: ping |
| 23:08.20 | JeffM2501 | yes miss chickky |
| 23:08.25 | SportChick | hiya - quick pm |
| 23:08.33 | JeffM2501 | ok |
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| 23:58.50 | A_Meteorite | menotume: ping |
| 23:58.54 | A_Meteorite | ~seen menotume |
| 23:59.00 | ibot | menotume is currently on #bzflag (1d 11h 46m 25s) #kierra (1d 11h 46m 25s) ##ducleague (1d 11h 46m 25s) ##essy (1d 11h 46m 25s). Has said a total of 98 messages. Is idling for 1d 8h 53m 16s, last said: '146-34-6542'. |
