| 00:00.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah let me know when it's done |
| 00:07.30 | A_Meteorite | sign me up for the waiting list :) |
| 00:12.13 | Mr_Molez | how come |
| 00:12.16 | Mr_Molez | ~bzflist |
| 00:12.29 | Mr_Molez | hmm maybe not |
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| 00:22.31 | _sussi | about chat, is it a good way to implement everything into bzflag, instead to use common known pieces like jabber? |
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| 00:27.10 | conman | ~bzfquery aa.blogdns.com:5155 |
| 00:27.12 | conman | ~bzfquery aa.blogdns.com:5154 |
| 00:28.10 | _sussi | ~bzfquery dub.bzflag.org |
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| 00:29.32 | conman | ~bzfquery aa.blogdns.com:5154 |
| 00:29.34 | conman | ~bzfquery aa.blogdns.com:5155 |
| 00:46.33 | JeffM2501 | _sussi, by having it run thru the bzflag app you get more controll, like only leting teams chat, seting the range of chat, and doing directional stuff |
| 00:46.52 | JeffM2501 | you also ensure that everyone has it, instead of hoping they have some 3rd party app |
| 00:54.18 | I_Died_Once | yo Jeff, can I ask ya something in private? |
| 00:54.40 | L4m3r | jeeze, quite a few different freeways to get to the 15 |
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| 01:05.29 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you around? |
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| 01:10.54 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, sure |
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| 02:44.51 | Thumper_ | who's the resident cURLManager guru? |
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| 03:02.26 | Thumper_ | hi DTR |
| 03:02.40 | DTRemenak | hi Thumper_ |
| 03:03.02 | Thumper_ | recently my bzflag client crashes in curlmanager when attempting authentication |
| 03:03.17 | Thumper_ | most of the time it segfaults |
| 03:03.40 | Thumper_ | probably related to a recent upgrade of libcurl on my system |
| 03:05.29 | blast007 | Thumper_: new libcurl (or bzflag dealing with the new libcurl) causes crashes |
| 03:05.40 | blast007 | have to downdate the libcurl |
| 03:06.18 | blast007 | only other workaround is to always do "Find Server" everytime before you connect to a server |
| 03:07.57 | Thumper_ | blast007: thx... |
| 03:08.57 | Thumper_ | 2.0.8 and 2.0.9 both crash with new libcurl... but 2.1 works... |
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| 03:57.06 | klingon | hello im emerging bzflag right now, it looks like a fun game |
| 03:58.30 | Mr_Molez | it can be at times :P |
| 03:58.39 | klingon | are there many servers up? |
| 03:58.43 | Mr_Molez | too many |
| 03:59.19 | Mr_Molez | about 200 servers |
| 03:59.24 | klingon | sweet |
| 03:59.40 | Mr_Molez | only about 300 players though :P |
| 03:59.48 | Mr_Molez | on at one time :P |
| 04:00.01 | klingon | oh wellz |
| 04:00.08 | Mr_Molez | if that .. :P |
| 04:00.11 | DTRemenak | Mr_Molez: you stick your tongue out too much, someone's likely to cut it off |
| 04:00.17 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 04:00.18 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.20 | Mr_Molez | i can't help it |
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| 04:03.20 | klingon | DTRemenak: hello |
| 04:03.42 | DTRemenak | hello klingon |
| 04:15.39 | [NP]Tangent | hey spldart, pm |
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| 04:27.55 | klingon | well I just played my first session of bzflag and got my ass handed to me.. did not kill 1 person |
| 04:29.11 | [NP]Tangent | klingon: that's how my first twenty sessions went :) |
| 04:29.14 | [NP]Tangent | it gets easier |
| 04:29.19 | [NP]Tangent | just takes a bit of practice |
| 04:29.52 | A-Delusion | try "the passion of the free fror all, theres nothing but newbs there now |
| 04:30.37 | [NP]Tangent | another fun one is Compound |
| 04:30.42 | [NP]Tangent | but that's a different concept |
| 04:30.43 | [NP]Tangent | so yeah |
| 04:30.50 | [NP]Tangent | just go with the MoFo servers |
| 04:30.54 | [NP]Tangent | and practice |
| 04:32.50 | A-Delusion | takes a few weeks to get the concept completely, and be able to react to changing conditions |
| 04:32.57 | A-Delusion | quickly |
| 04:33.16 | [NP]Tangent | beware of the laggers |
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| 04:33.43 | [NP]Tangent | and the GMs and L's and G's |
| 04:34.05 | klingon | The control over the tanks feels really weird to me |
| 04:34.11 | klingon | It takes some getting used to |
| 04:34.17 | redsoxfan90 | lingon |
| 04:34.19 | redsoxfan90 | klingon |
| 04:34.32 | redsoxfan90 | try out other servers like openleague.org port 59998 or even brad.bz port 5154 |
| 04:34.33 | klingon | like every time I jumped, I lost all control, and when I landed I was instantly fried.. |
| 04:34.36 | redsoxfan90 | might be empty though. |
| 04:34.48 | klingon | ok Ill try them |
| 04:35.10 | A-Delusion | mofo is faster, maybe better to stay off it at first |
| 04:35.35 | [NP]Tangent | you have no control over your tank in the air unless you have the WG flag |
| 04:35.45 | orange | klingon: jumping = death at any decent server |
| 04:35.46 | [NP]Tangent | and you got fried because people always look for jumpers |
| 04:36.32 | DTRemenak | orange: some would say jumping is not allowed at any decent server ;) |
| 04:37.02 | klingon | does everyone use m/kb kb or just m? |
| 04:37.12 | redsoxfan90 | mouse and keyboard |
| 04:37.12 | orange | DTRemenak: well, yeah :-) |
| 04:37.22 | orange | play pillbox or ducati-style to learn to dodge first |
| 04:37.33 | redsoxfan90 | or you can use just mouse and use a scroll wheel to fire those shots. |
| 04:37.33 | orange | then you will do better at the jumping servers too |
| 04:37.45 | DTRemenak | standard controls are most common (mouse for control, fire, lock + keyboard for everything else) |
| 04:37.53 | klingon | with the mouse all i do is move it towards top of screen and the tank moves forward, do most ppl disable that and use keyboard for movement instead? |
| 04:37.53 | redsoxfan90 | to fire 2 shots, usualy left click and a keyboard button. |
| 04:38.23 | DTRemenak | there are some keyboard only players. not many, it's more difficult to control |
| 04:39.44 | redsoxfan90 | also, if you don't have a good mouse kb is sometimes better :) |
| 04:41.14 | [NP]Tangent | I use keyboard only |
| 04:41.24 | [NP]Tangent | if you learn to use the A key properly, it's nice |
| 04:41.26 | [NP]Tangent | plus |
| 04:41.28 | [NP]Tangent | I'm on a laptop |
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| 05:16.09 | [NP]Tangent | so yeah |
| 05:16.19 | [NP]Tangent | a guy who I work with at Carl's Jr. is going to try out bzflag |
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| 07:54.04 | LePoulpe303 | i plan to create a channel for BZflagers anonymous ; anyone interested to join ? |
| 07:54.32 | [NP]Tangent | we already have one |
| 07:54.34 | [NP]Tangent | it's right here |
| 07:54.35 | [NP]Tangent | :D |
| 07:54.49 | [NP]Tangent | I have a question about this server thing |
| 07:55.02 | [NP]Tangent | do I set _radarLimit to 0 or something to disable radar? |
| 07:55.07 | [NP]Tangent | I'll go play around |
| 07:55.18 | LePoulpe303 | nonody speaks about his addiction problems here |
| 07:56.18 | [NP]Tangent | hm |
| 07:56.20 | [NP]Tangent | yep |
| 07:56.27 | [NP]Tangent | _radarLimit = 0 makes radar go byebye |
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| 08:20.52 | osofete | somebody on Fedora here? can't connect to my own server, don't know how to debug |
| 08:27.22 | Pommes | osofete: perhaps you could check if the port is open after starting the server? |
| 08:29.39 | [NP]Tangent | hm, this is odd |
| 08:29.51 | [NP]Tangent | teleporters aren't being done right in this |
| 08:31.15 | osofete | thank you pommes, my server is at localhost |
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| 08:36.36 | janis | hi all |
| 08:36.57 | {janis} | hi all |
| 08:37.02 | {janis} | i need help |
| 08:37.15 | {janis} | where i can get BZFlag 2.0.9 ? |
| 08:37.26 | {janis} | or is there BZFlag 2.1.x ? |
| 08:38.06 | {janis} | guys |
| 08:38.07 | {janis} | ? |
| 08:43.42 | Manu | 2.0.9 is a dev version, you can get it using cvs |
| 08:44.57 | Manu | visit http://bzflag.org and select CVS access or visit bzflag page at sourceforge.net |
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| 11:52.33 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10db/bzfls.php: Added option to encrypt password in log file. |
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| 14:10.03 | menotume | Alert, Alert ... RC Cola is playing @ DUB |
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| 16:29.34 | CBG | ~blame brad |
| 16:29.36 | ibot | ACTION blames brad (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
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| 16:37.19 | SportChick | brlcad: don't make me phone you |
| 16:39.43 | brlcad | :) |
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| 16:54.30 | JeffM2501 | aww man, still no TimRikker |
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| 17:48.58 | mikl | ~blame Canada |
| 17:49.02 | ibot | ACTION blames Canada (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 17:49.06 | mikl | lol :) |
| 17:51.37 | spldart | Heh... I was just watching the south park movie too |
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| 18:12.15 | JeffM2501 | hey CBG your on 10.2 right? |
| 18:12.29 | JeffM2501 | or not |
| 18:13.05 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: I think he got scared off ;) |
| 18:13.10 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 18:14.02 | JeffM2501 | I just want to know if I have to do both 10.3+ and 10.2 builds :( |
| 18:14.21 | A_Meteorite | BZFlag builds? |
| 18:14.25 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:14.33 | JeffM2501 | for tournaments |
| 18:14.33 | A_Meteorite | ...you're doing new builds? why? |
| 18:14.40 | A_Meteorite | um |
| 18:15.03 | A_Meteorite | why do you need the latest build for a tournament? can you explain that? ;) |
| 18:15.05 | JeffM2501 | looking at the feasability of making timed binarys for use in tournaments |
| 18:15.10 | A_Meteorite | ahhh |
| 18:15.17 | JeffM2501 | basicly to ensure that everyone has the same client |
| 18:15.20 | A_Meteorite | I see |
| 18:15.24 | JeffM2501 | to help aleviate cheating worrys |
| 18:15.34 | JeffM2501 | basicly proto change |
| 18:15.34 | A_Meteorite | it would |
| 18:16.08 | JeffM2501 | there is a way I can leagaly distribute bins that are only compatable with other bins, and still be compliant to the LGPL |
| 18:16.21 | JeffM2501 | but not distro the code for the thing that makes it compatable :) |
| 18:16.40 | A_Meteorite | ah |
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| 18:17.25 | A_Meteorite | it doesn't make sense, but anything that involves timed binaries to reduce cheating paranoia would be good :D |
| 18:18.20 | CBG | sorry, I got dinsconnected, MacIrssi crashed |
| 18:18.30 | CBG | JeffM2501: what was your question, dear? |
| 18:18.35 | JeffM2501 | it's not a real cheat solution for long term |
| 18:18.41 | JeffM2501 | CBG, do you run 10.2? |
| 18:18.57 | CBG | No, 10.3.9 |
| 18:19.01 | JeffM2501 | yay |
| 18:19.01 | CBG | sorry..? :) |
| 18:19.05 | JeffM2501 | no tha'ts good :) |
| 18:19.09 | CBG | oh, ok :) |
| 18:19.21 | JeffM2501 | means I don't have to build on 10.2 so far |
| 18:19.25 | A_Meteorite | nah, we all need 10.4.7 to run the latest BZFlag code! mwahaha! |
| 18:19.36 | A_Meteorite | built-in to the source, aren't the devs evil? |
| 18:19.38 | A_Meteorite | ;) ;) |
| 18:19.40 | CBG | I'm the only bz-player, on mac, without tiger ? |
| 18:19.48 | JeffM2501 | I don't know |
| 18:19.53 | JeffM2501 | but I remember you were one |
| 18:20.04 | CBG | special treatment? :D |
| 18:20.12 | CBG | for _me_? heh, you're nuts JeffM2501 |
| 18:21.39 | JeffM2501 | stranger things have happened |
| 18:21.57 | CBG | do I want to know? :P |
| 18:21.59 | A_Meteorite | 10.3.9 is pretty compatible, rarely have I see Tiger only things |
| 18:22.19 | CBG | 10.3.9 rocks :D |
| 18:22.21 | [NP]Tangent | I'm having some problems with a map rotation |
| 18:22.23 | [NP]Tangent | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4252&highlight= |
| 18:22.29 | [NP]Tangent | I'm using that script |
| 18:22.34 | [NP]Tangent | but I'm getting this |
| 18:22.36 | CBG | Dashboard? I have konfabulator - and never use it... |
| 18:22.43 | [NP]Tangent | bzserver.sh: line 23: ./bzfs: No such file or directory |
| 18:22.57 | [NP]Tangent | this is on a shell account I have |
| 18:22.59 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, most things are 10.3+ |
| 18:23.00 | [NP]Tangent | and the shell is jailshell |
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| 18:23.06 | [NP]Tangent | how could I fix this? |
| 18:23.10 | JeffM2501 | since it was in 10.3 that they changed a lot of back end libs |
| 18:24.04 | A_Meteorite | [NP]Tangent: use http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=40199#40199 |
| 18:24.11 | A_Meteorite | and customize for the path to bzfs |
| 18:24.21 | [NP]Tangent | oh woot |
| 18:24.24 | [NP]Tangent | I fixed this one |
| 18:24.25 | [NP]Tangent | somehow |
| 18:24.26 | CBG | I see a lot of things for "10.3.9 or later" but I dount many people have 10.3.0 -> 10.3.8 |
| 18:24.26 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 18:24.29 | [NP]Tangent | thanks though |
| 18:24.40 | CBG | that seems just silly to me, if you got 10.3, its FREE to get to 10.3.9 at least. |
| 18:24.48 | A_Meteorite | CBG: I've seen users who are "afraid" to upgrade, most notably for the Safari changes |
| 18:24.57 | A_Meteorite | when I upgraded I hated the new Safari |
| 18:25.05 | CBG | afraid to go to 10.3.9 or 10.4? |
| 18:25.09 | A_Meteorite | 10.3.9 |
| 18:25.21 | CBG | Safari changes?? |
| 18:25.25 | CBG | I noticed none. heh :) |
| 18:25.26 | A_Meteorite | also the new selection of text and "everything on the page" was bothersome |
| 18:25.33 | A_Meteorite | seemed to IE-ish |
| 18:25.36 | CBG | what now..? |
| 18:26.00 | A_Meteorite | you didn't notice the new text selection drawing? |
| 18:26.01 | CBG | maybe I am just too used to 10.3.9, but I don't remember noticing ANYTHING bad about it when I first got it |
| 18:26.08 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 18:26.55 | CBG | I can't wait for 10.6.6 ;) |
| 18:27.35 | A_Meteorite | my Spotlight isn't as fast as I wanted... *sighs and waits for next version of Mac OS X while forgetting it's codename& |
| 18:28.03 | A_Meteorite | maybe my single G5 2ghz isn't peppy enough... :) I wonder if there is a #spotlight |
| 18:29.46 | CBG | I used 10.4. for half n hour once. |
| 18:29.52 | CBG | SPotlight seemed totally wrong. |
| 18:30.01 | CBG | I couldn't make head nor tail of it. |
| 18:30.13 | CBG | Definately not an original Apple Product, imho. |
| 18:30.16 | A_Meteorite | I use it quite a bit |
| 18:30.22 | A_Meteorite | but it's slower than I thought it would be |
| 18:30.36 | A_Meteorite | probably because of the built-up cruft of upgrading it since 10.2 (system trasfers) |
| 18:31.16 | A_Meteorite | actually, iirc, my original Mac was 10.1 but since 10.2 just came out the store upgraded it for free |
| 18:33.31 | CBG | lucker! |
| 18:34.17 | CBG | ~garc A_Meteorite |
| 18:34.18 | ibot | ACTION gives A_Meteorite a real client, and makes A_Meteorite use it |
| 18:34.29 | A_Meteorite | garc??! what's THAT? |
| 18:34.45 | CBG | GetARealClient |
| 18:35.17 | A_Meteorite | oh. |
| 18:35.17 | A_Meteorite | but mine is so mac-ish looking |
| 18:35.17 | A_Meteorite | X-chat was metal extreme |
| 18:35.17 | CBG | ... duh. I hate 10.3 on my iBook when I got it anyway. |
| 18:42.22 | [NP]Tangent | alright |
| 18:42.28 | [NP]Tangent | my maze server is now up |
| 18:42.34 | [NP]Tangent | with rotation and everything |
| 18:42.35 | [NP]Tangent | :) |
| 18:42.41 | [NP]Tangent | nullbzflag.gotdns.com 5154 |
| 18:42.48 | [NP]Tangent | if anyone wants to try |
| 18:55.34 | spldart | It's interesting gameplay |
| 18:55.56 | [NP]Tangent | yeah |
| 18:55.59 | [NP]Tangent | it won't let me join blue |
| 18:56.12 | [NP]Tangent | or purple |
| 18:56.12 | [NP]Tangent | wtf |
| 18:59.26 | *** part/#bzflag Matt123 (n=Matt123_@stjch2-12-46-85-157.stjohncable.com) |
| 19:05.01 | [NP]Tangent | autoteam doesn't seem to like my server much |
| 19:05.39 | [NP]Tangent | it won't let people join blue or purple |
| 19:05.40 | [NP]Tangent | :-\ |
| 19:06.03 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (n=SportChi@68-64-55-234.vnnyca.adelphia.net) |
| 19:06.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v SportChick] by ChanServ |
| 19:06.09 | [NP]Tangent | why would that be? |
| 19:08.36 | *** join/#bzflag ToughShooter (n=ts@p54B03D72.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:14.25 | spldart | Query... Never tried it before... can a base be made round in any way and if not can I place it dead flush on the top of an object I'm making in wings3d right now? |
| 19:27.32 | DTRemenak | bases are square. you can place it flush, but be aware that the entire square counts as the capture zone |
| 19:33.41 | spldart | hrm... if I place it in a limited space and make it to big to fit, in this case a 3d object, will the corners get cut off or will they climb up the walls like say a misapplied textuire |
| 19:33.52 | spldart | Looking for a rounding effect of the base |
| 19:34.24 | spldart | It's a big 1088 vertice object |
| 19:35.06 | DTRemenak | the base is always square. it'll just run through whatever is surrounding it |
| 19:36.04 | spldart | ok.. that will put the corners of it inside a 3d object giving it a round effect :) |
| 19:36.18 | DTRemenak | the corners won't be cut off, and won't climb up the walls. if your object is thick enough they'll stay inside it. |
| 19:36.26 | DTRemenak | otherwise they'll poke out ;) |
| 19:40.55 | spldart | kew. I'm on the same page... I noticed a quick search for the wings plugin for bzw showed a dead link.. |
| 19:57.46 | *** join/#bzflag TD-Linux (n=TD-Linux@24-159-197-101.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 20:16.16 | JeffM2501 | hmm if I do a bzflag derivitive work, is it ok to just distribute a patch with my mods? or do I have to do full soruce? |
| 20:16.28 | *** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 20:16.48 | Gnurdux | anyone know whether C++ streams ignore commas or not? |
| 20:17.10 | JeffM2501 | it should not ignore anything |
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| 20:17.56 | Gnurdux | hi I_Died_Once |
| 20:18.12 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, but will it treat the way it treats whitespace: as a seperator? |
| 20:18.22 | I_Died_Once | planet mofo, port 4251 - private server, |
| 20:18.31 | spldart | How to I rotate a mesh on the x y and z axis in a world? |
| 20:18.37 | JeffM2501 | depends on your settings for the parser IIRC |
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| 20:58.45 | spldart | my mesh is to 'sticky' can't drive on it even thought I tried to leave the drive surfaces dead smooth... any ideas? |
| 20:59.37 | Gnurdux | make it not angled |
| 21:02.46 | spldart | I took great care to keep the driving surface dead straight.. playing with it now |
| 21:06.08 | spldart | Ah dude! Absolutely wicked cool... shot a bunch into the little hollowed out 'mold' area of my mesh and the shots go quicly bouncing one way and the other the sound is outrageous. Like echo-ee and stuff |
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| 21:06.51 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, i'm testing my plosileague code |
| 21:13.15 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: technically you need to provide the "full machine-readable source code". As far as I'm concerned, a patch off a publicly posted release tarball effectively provides full source, so that complies. |
| 21:13.30 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:13.39 | JeffM2501 | I can do source, just thinking what my options are |
| 21:13.40 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 21:13.43 | TimRiker | np |
| 21:14.37 | Gnurdux | heh jeff what are you doing? |
| 21:15.01 | purple_cow | he's being sneaky |
| 21:15.05 | JeffM2501 | maing an incompatable variant of bz for tournaments |
| 21:15.24 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, why? |
| 21:15.27 | JeffM2501 | and binarys for players to use |
| 21:15.39 | JeffM2501 | so that you know all players are using clean binarys |
| 21:15.50 | Gnurdux | they can still change it |
| 21:15.56 | Gnurdux | if you make the source available |
| 21:16.01 | Gnurdux | and if you don't its illegal |
| 21:16.09 | JeffM2501 | all I have to do is make source avaiable for the LGPL code I change |
| 21:16.16 | JeffM2501 | not the closed source lib that it now calls ;) |
| 21:16.31 | JeffM2501 | tho I'll provide a LGPL version of the lib so it'll build |
| 21:16.47 | JeffM2501 | it just won't be network compatable |
| 21:16.48 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 21:17.01 | Gnurdux | so the source wont be available |
| 21:17.04 | JeffM2501 | so yes, eventualy someone can hack it out and fake it |
| 21:17.13 | JeffM2501 | but they are also timebombed 1 week builds |
| 21:17.14 | Gnurdux | but still JeffM2501 they can still do the cheat stuff |
| 21:17.16 | Gnurdux | the same way |
| 21:17.16 | JeffM2501 | that i'll distibute |
| 21:17.24 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 21:17.30 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, there own builds won't be compatable |
| 21:17.35 | Gnurdux | i doubt this will be very popular |
| 21:17.38 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, and why not? |
| 21:17.55 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, because they won't have the code for the lib the bins were built with |
| 21:18.01 | JeffM2501 | they will only have a stubb |
| 21:18.21 | JeffM2501 | they would have to reverse engnere the exact keys used in the lib for that weeks bins |
| 21:18.34 | JeffM2501 | it's dooable, it just takes time. |
| 21:18.53 | Tanner | thats smart |
| 21:18.56 | JeffM2501 | it's not a viable full time cheat protection |
| 21:19.04 | JeffM2501 | but it can worked for timed events |
| 21:19.16 | JeffM2501 | untill a better full time system is made |
| 21:19.36 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, but its not legal unless you make the lib available |
| 21:19.49 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, yes it is, bzflag is Lgpl |
| 21:19.52 | JeffM2501 | not full GPL |
| 21:20.15 | JeffM2501 | it would be the same if I moded bz to use MFC, a closed source library |
| 21:20.18 | Gnurdux | i htought LGPL just means that it can be used by closed-source stuff |
| 21:20.30 | JeffM2501 | both ways |
| 21:20.32 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, hmm i see |
| 21:20.42 | JeffM2501 | basicly if I mod the LGPL code I have to publish my mods |
| 21:20.44 | JeffM2501 | and I will |
| 21:20.54 | JeffM2501 | I do not have to publish MY code tho |
| 21:21.11 | JeffM2501 | and there is nothing in the LGPL that says that my moded version of bzflag has to work with any other version |
| 21:21.18 | JeffM2501 | it just has to compile and run |
| 21:21.20 | JeffM2501 | and it will |
| 21:21.20 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 21:21.41 | JeffM2501 | I could make the proto use the build date as a key |
| 21:21.58 | Gnurdux | you can change the build data |
| 21:21.59 | Gnurdux | *date |
| 21:22.01 | JeffM2501 | then give you 100% of the source, yet you'd still not be able to build compatable unless you knew that key |
| 21:22.18 | JeffM2501 | but if you don't know that date, then your screwed |
| 21:22.25 | Gnurdux | you can get the build date with /clientquery |
| 21:22.31 | JeffM2501 | or what ever magic number I chose |
| 21:22.36 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, unless I change that function |
| 21:22.42 | JeffM2501 | a valid mod under LGPL ;) |
| 21:22.48 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 21:22.51 | JeffM2501 | so no it's not illegal |
| 21:23.21 | blast007 | build date would be weak anyway |
| 21:23.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:23.28 | JeffM2501 | it was just an example |
| 21:23.29 | blast007 | it's sent in plain text |
| 21:23.30 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:23.31 | Chestal | JeffM2501: I wonder who would sue you anyway :-) |
| 21:23.33 | JeffM2501 | this is doing a LOT more |
| 21:23.40 | Gnurdux | the question is, is it legal to make it use a closed-source UNAVAILABLE library? |
| 21:23.43 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, true |
| 21:24.05 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux every windows build does that, it links to the closed source windows runtimes |
| 21:24.22 | Gnurdux | ah true |
| 21:24.44 | JeffM2501 | and chestal is right, I'm still doing it in the spirit of open source |
| 21:24.48 | Gnurdux | but but your basically providing "code" that won't create the same build as your binary |
| 21:25.03 | JeffM2501 | so it is unlikely I would be suied, I just want to do it right to do it right |
| 21:25.08 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, so |
| 21:25.19 | JeffM2501 | nothing in the GPL says I have to do that |
| 21:25.22 | JeffM2501 | LGPL |
| 21:25.49 | JeffM2501 | if the compiler put the build date and the machine specific info into the binary, the same would happen |
| 21:26.08 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: could this be kept public, so it can be used as a way to ensure people dont cheat ? |
| 21:26.09 | JeffM2501 | if I had a difrent verison of the runtimes then you do, that would happen |
| 21:26.12 | Mr_Molez | and no source :P |
| 21:26.38 | [NP]Tangent | uh oh |
| 21:26.45 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, there will be no source for the closed lib that is used for bins, and yes I'll do it publicly for anyone who does a tourny |
| 21:26.57 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, it wouldn't be good for a league |
| 21:26.58 | JeffM2501 | I have to release my BZ mods ( calls to the libs ) |
| 21:27.00 | Gnurdux | its timed builds |
| 21:27.28 | JeffM2501 | if the leauge wanted monthly builds I could probably swing that |
| 21:27.33 | [NP]Tangent | I'm getting that when CTF is auto-disabled by the fairCTF plugin (with Constitution's mod) |
| 21:27.42 | JeffM2501 | the big thing will be if I'm able to do all the required bins |
| 21:27.42 | Gnurdux | heh wierd |
| 21:28.06 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, besides, i doubt you want people to not be able to cheat in your league :P |
| 21:28.14 | JeffM2501 | if it got that involved, would probalby want to make a launcher that checks for the current bin, gets it, installs it then runs |
| 21:28.22 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, how would the sevrer work? would it be one of those one-way encryption things? |
| 21:28.35 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: did i ever say i wanted it for the league ? |
| 21:28.37 | JeffM2501 | why would Mr_Molez want to cheat his his own friendly leauge? that is very mean Gnurdux |
| 21:28.44 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 21:28.49 | Gnurdux | true |
| 21:29.03 | JeffM2501 | the other option is I ask Tim to give me a super special license :) |
| 21:29.14 | Gnurdux | eww |
| 21:29.19 | JeffM2501 | it's viable |
| 21:29.21 | Mr_Molez | clientquery and the server list it uses is easy to spoof. What will be different about this client to make sure people are using it ? |
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| 21:29.39 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, it will send special keys and stuff |
| 21:29.40 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, totaly difrent protcoll |
| 21:29.42 | JeffM2501 | for the mesages |
| 21:29.46 | Mr_Molez | ahh cool |
| 21:29.59 | JeffM2501 | it's a lot more then a one shot "I'm cool" |
| 21:29.59 | Mr_Molez | I would love this to be made public with no source. Then we know who really doesn't cheat |
| 21:30.11 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: all sounds fine to me. all that's needed is a private/public key scheme. the client says I'm <pubkey> and the server says decrypt <this> and encrypt it with <my pub key> then the server knows you have the private. |
| 21:30.12 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, no, we wouldn't |
| 21:30.18 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: why not ? |
| 21:30.26 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, its only for one-time things |
| 21:30.30 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, yeah that's sorta what I'm doing |
| 21:30.32 | Gnurdux | you couldnt use on normal servers |
| 21:30.36 | TimRiker | now the trick is to put the private in a binary someplace on the client where it can't easily be found. |
| 21:30.38 | Chestal | I had this vague idea lately for another kind of cheat protection. Mainly aimed at thin tank cheats etc. I am not sure if it is feasible, though |
| 21:30.38 | Gnurdux | it wouldnt be viable Mr_Molez |
| 21:30.39 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, they would eventualy be hacked out |
| 21:30.57 | Gnurdux | Chestal, best way to do that is to make server manage deaths |
| 21:31.00 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: oh :( |
| 21:31.04 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, yeah, it's more then keys, it's also some logic and pack order changes |
| 21:31.07 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez is just trying to mend his rep lol |
| 21:31.13 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, that's why I'm timing them |
| 21:31.20 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: shut your mouth kid |
| 21:31.23 | JeffM2501 | I'll change it around each time, so it'd have to be rehacked |
| 21:31.49 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, would you be ok wiht me commiting my hooks under an optional #define? |
| 21:31.56 | Chestal | the idea is that the server asks the client for proof, maybe randomly. E.g. it could be a log of tnak/shot pos of last 10s or so from client's view. Some checks can be performed then. It might be hard for the client to fake the log fast and convincingly enough |
| 21:32.07 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, 2.0 or 2.1 ? |
| 21:32.15 | Chestal | Gnurdux: yes, but that is a bigger change and also affects gameplay |
| 21:32.32 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: sounds like a Good Thing. We should add that handshake to the public version and just have "tourney" approves servers and clients. that are interoperable. The server admin can just lock it down to the approved subset if desired. |
| 21:32.34 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, basicly I'm encripting most messages, so it's a check all over the place |
| 21:32.58 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, will the server be moddable? |
| 21:33.00 | Gnurdux | or no |
| 21:33.06 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, I have it going thru an API that can default to the exiting proto |
| 21:33.14 | JeffM2501 | so it can be turned on and off |
| 21:33.22 | TimRiker | cool. |
| 21:33.25 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, 2.0 or 2.1??? |
| 21:33.28 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 |
| 21:33.32 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 21:33.51 | Gnurdux | so you get to commit stuff to 2.0, when you tell the other devs not to? |
| 21:34.09 | TimRiker | Gnurdux: basically, yes. |
| 21:34.23 | Gnurdux | TimRiker, lol |
| 21:34.35 | TimRiker | JeffM2501 does a good job of not breaking anything. So I don't mind. |
| 21:34.45 | Gnurdux | hehe |
| 21:35.10 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501 see the issue with your thing is that if i have some obscure OS your builds wont run |
| 21:35.14 | Gnurdux | like *bsd |
| 21:36.12 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, yes that is a problem |
| 21:36.16 | JeffM2501 | but I have lots of computers |
| 21:36.18 | TimRiker | Gnurdux: nod. some trusted *bsd user will have to sign up to do the regular release builds. user built binaries would still play on open servers, but not on tourney servers. |
| 21:36.18 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 21:36.34 | JeffM2501 | and I have access to a trusted bsd machine ;) |
| 21:36.41 | JeffM2501 | you may have heard of it, bzflag.bz |
| 21:36.49 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 21:36.52 | TimRiker | well, there are lots of *bsd's |
| 21:36.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:37.07 | JeffM2501 | that's why I'm doing it as a test for this tourny coming up |
| 21:37.10 | Gnurdux | would this be for standard leagues, or what? |
| 21:37.14 | JeffM2501 | I want to know what the commn OSs are |
| 21:37.15 | TimRiker | vmware, etc might help. :) |
| 21:37.16 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, what tourny? |
| 21:37.31 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, and gee, I think I may know a few people who work there ;) |
| 21:37.36 | TimRiker | :) |
| 21:37.39 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, the mofo/OL one |
| 21:37.49 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501 thats already going on |
| 21:37.50 | JeffM2501 | I also have a ton of computers, so it's easy for me to do more then one OS |
| 21:37.53 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, I know |
| 21:38.03 | Gnurdux | theyre not gonna use it |
| 21:38.06 | JeffM2501 | it'll be a long running thing, so when I'm done they will think about using it |
| 21:38.20 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, you speak with out knoweldge, please refrain |
| 21:38.51 | JeffM2501 | mostly I just like the name "libTournament" :) |
| 21:39.26 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: you using some known trusted crypto algorithm? we are already linking to libcurl which brings in ssl on most boxes. There's a lot of known tested stuff in there. |
| 21:39.55 | JeffM2501 | I also disabled a couple things, no autopilot, no pause, no -solo, screenshots only if your observer |
| 21:40.08 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, no just my own thing, but I was going to look into others if it's popular |
| 21:40.18 | JeffM2501 | leaving it open for it sure |
| 21:40.52 | TimRiker | k. ssl algos might be faster to implement cause the work is done. rsa is in there for example. |
| 21:40.58 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 21:41.32 | JeffM2501 | for right now I'm just gonna use some simple swizzle, reorder, and shifts |
| 21:41.35 | JeffM2501 | see how it goes |
| 21:41.52 | JeffM2501 | since it'll be a limited time thing |
| 21:42.35 | TimRiker | could use some hashing code off common data elements. flag lists etc. would actually sum up the ram version of same. that might have to be tweaked to handle other platforms or only the the same os/hardware as the server can play. :/ |
| 21:42.43 | JeffM2501 | I'm also pondering seeing if brlcad will let me run the tourny servers on .bz, just let the people submit a config |
| 21:43.03 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, yeah have some ideas for message update too |
| 21:43.13 | TimRiker | cool. |
| 21:43.28 | JeffM2501 | basicly the bz registers it's pack and unpack funcs with the lib |
| 21:43.39 | JeffM2501 | then asks if it wants to pack or unpack the messages |
| 21:43.56 | JeffM2501 | and passes in/gets out the high level data, or calls it's own internal stuff |
| 21:44.01 | JeffM2501 | so the lib can do what ever it wants |
| 21:45.00 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: when will the binaries be ready? |
| 21:45.07 | JeffM2501 | I'm hoping this weekend |
| 21:45.21 | JeffM2501 | if you can get a list of the OSs everyone needs that would help |
| 21:45.30 | Mr_Molez | :( |
| 21:45.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah I wish I could have had it ready sooner |
| 21:46.07 | Mr_Molez | ok ill get the list for ol players. mofo can sort out their own |
| 21:46.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah mofo is gathering too |
| 21:46.31 | JeffM2501 | I didn't start this till last night |
| 21:46.45 | [NP]Tangent | hm |
| 21:46.47 | [NP]Tangent | this is weird |
| 21:46.52 | [NP]Tangent | now the CTF plugin works |
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| 21:48.36 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, and no the server will not be modable. I think I'm also going to force it to list all the plugins loaded at join to each client |
| 21:48.48 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: bzflag runs just fine in wine, which may be a viable option for people on x86 if you can't deal with so many os' |
| 21:48.57 | Gnurdux | so what if we need some server mods? |
| 21:49.17 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, sweet |
| 21:49.21 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, umm just ask me |
| 21:49.26 | Gnurdux | couldn't you do some sort of one-way encryption? |
| 21:49.27 | DTRemenak | even the joystick stuff works :) |
| 21:49.32 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: ive already prepared for that i will load each config individually as people need them |
| 21:49.33 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:49.42 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, well the open league needs some mods |
| 21:49.57 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, specificly for the tournament? |
| 21:49.58 | [NP]Tangent | hey someone who's quite knowledgable, could you PM me? |
| 21:49.59 | Gnurdux | in order for certain plugins to work |
| 21:50.01 | [NP]Tangent | I need some help |
| 21:50.03 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, no, in general |
| 21:50.13 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, I'm not raely doing this for "in general" |
| 21:50.13 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: ive already prepared for that i will load each config individually as people need them |
| 21:50.14 | Gnurdux | i guess the tourney doesn't need |
| 21:50.23 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, meaning? |
| 21:50.49 | Mr_Molez | meaning just the config for each map ducati.59998 etc |
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| 21:51.47 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, but open league needs stuff for maxcaptures and stuff |
| 21:52.18 | Gnurdux | i guess maxcaptures can be off for the tourny |
| 21:52.31 | Mr_Molez | oh your right |
| 21:52.32 | Mr_Molez | hmm |
| 21:52.42 | Gnurdux | and timelimit |
| 21:52.52 | Mr_Molez | timelimit aint a problem |
| 21:52.58 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, well maxcaptures can be done manuallly and the tourney dont need timelimit |
| 21:53.05 | Gnurdux | autoreport needs mods |
| 21:53.08 | Mr_Molez | and i suppose we could use -mtc in the config |
| 21:53.10 | Gnurdux | but thats not important either |
| 21:53.18 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, no mts is different |
| 21:53.23 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: how ? |
| 21:53.28 | Gnurdux | mts is wins minus losses |
| 21:53.33 | Gnurdux | not just wins |
| 21:53.43 | Mr_Molez | hmm |
| 21:53.57 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, |
| 21:54.01 | Gnurdux | just do it manually |
| 21:54.06 | Mr_Molez | will will just have to say stop when its 8 caps then :P |
| 21:54.15 | Gnurdux | yea |
| 21:54.19 | Gnurdux | its not too big a prob |
| 21:55.01 | Gnurdux | but i dont like closed source stuff in general |
| 21:55.12 | Mr_Molez | some of the best stuff ever is closed source |
| 21:55.15 | Mr_Molez | just look at windows |
| 21:55.19 | Mr_Molez | :P |
| 21:55.21 | JeffM2501 | quake! |
| 21:55.23 | JeffM2501 | UT |
| 21:55.29 | Gnurdux | quake is open source |
| 21:55.31 | Gnurdux | now |
| 21:55.33 | [NP]Tangent | yeah, kicking/banning people is crashing my server with the fairCTF plugin + Constitution mod |
| 21:55.36 | Gnurdux | and windows sucks |
| 21:55.37 | [NP]Tangent | any ideas? |
| 21:55.45 | Gnurdux | [NP]Tangent, what does his mod do? |
| 21:55.56 | [NP]Tangent | it makes it so the weaker team can still do ctf |
| 21:55.59 | [NP]Tangent | just not the bigger teams |
| 21:56.10 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 21:56.26 | [NP]Tangent | it works right |
| 21:56.34 | [NP]Tangent | except it's causing the server to crash when someone's kicked |
| 21:56.47 | Gnurdux | [NP]Tangent, try not loading the plughin |
| 21:56.56 | Gnurdux | make sure that doesnt crash the server too |
| 21:56.57 | [NP]Tangent | but see |
| 21:57.00 | [NP]Tangent | it worked fine a while ago |
| 21:57.03 | [NP]Tangent | before i put in the mod |
| 21:57.18 | Gnurdux | [NP]Tangent, whats the code for the plugin |
| 21:57.29 | Gnurdux | can you pastebin it |
| 21:58.14 | [NP]Tangent | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=86023#86023 |
| 21:58.18 | [NP]Tangent | that's where he posted it |
| 21:59.40 | [NP]Tangent | oh crap |
| 21:59.46 | [NP]Tangent | I see where I might have goofed |
| 22:00.42 | Gnurdux | [NP]Tangent, that sounds like its somehow interpreting the whole text of the plugin as an argument |
| 22:00.50 | Gnurdux | probably part of the buggy plugin code |
| 22:01.01 | Gnurdux | [NP]Tangent, what otherp lguins do you load |
| 22:01.09 | [NP]Tangent | just that one |
| 22:01.19 | Gnurdux | pastebin teh conf |
| 22:01.32 | [NP]Tangent | I have two different confs |
| 22:01.34 | [NP]Tangent | neither work |
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| 23:06.05 | spldart | ~seen v|g|LanT |
| 23:06.15 | ibot | v|g|lant <i=anser@unaffiliated/vigilante> was last seen on IRC in channel #linuxpakistan, 2d 20h 25m 22s ago, saying: 'hey'. |
| 23:09.40 | [NP]Tangent | spldart, you talk to vigilante, too? |
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| 23:13.53 | spldart | he just pm'd me |
| 23:14.23 | [NP]Tangent | heh |
| 23:15.08 | [NP]Tangent | I still haven't fixed my problem |
| 23:15.09 | [NP]Tangent | this sucks |
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| 23:35.49 | [NP]Tangent | alright |
| 23:35.53 | [NP]Tangent | after further investigation |
| 23:35.54 | brlcad | TimRiker: did you see the CVS activity logs? |
| 23:36.00 | [NP]Tangent | it looks to be something wrong with my compiler |
| 23:36.00 | brlcad | s/logs/graphs/ |
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| 23:39.53 | [NP]Tangent | or maybe not |
| 23:39.56 | [NP]Tangent | this isn't good |
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| 23:53.07 | TimRiker | brlcad: nope. are they up someplace? I didn't reply to that email. That's the one you're talking about, yes? |
| 23:53.54 | Deepa | dananananana! |
| 23:53.57 | brlcad | TimRiker: erhm, no, no e-mail.. I don't think I replied to the email either |
| 23:54.15 | JeffM2501 | they are realy cool |
| 23:54.30 | brlcad | TimRiker: http://bzflag.bz/statcvs/ |
| 23:55.10 | brlcad | the line counts aren't correct as that graph is normalized to account for some commit "artifacts", but it's still pretty interesting |
| 23:56.40 | brlcad | TimRiker: in particular, the activity graph on the Authors page is pretty nifty |
| 23:57.22 | [NP]Tangent | well, I guess I'll have to live without the ability to kick people off my own server |
| 23:57.30 | [NP]Tangent | because it keeps segfaulting bzfs whenever I do |
| 23:58.02 | TimRiker | brlcad: very very cool indeed. |
| 23:58.44 | [NP]Tangent | welp |
| 23:58.47 | [NP]Tangent | it's not a plugin causing it |
| 23:59.49 | [NP]Tangent | :( |
| 23:59.51 | [NP]Tangent | this sucks |
| 23:59.58 | [NP]Tangent | any ideas what would be happening? |