| 00:00.38 | JeffM2501 | don't they at least have to say who made the thing? |
| 00:01.49 | brlcad | i'd have to reread that section, but I believe they are okay if they don't distribute it along with their application (i.e. a separate download) sans credit |
| 00:02.06 | JeffM2501 | it's all part of there demo installer |
| 00:02.27 | JeffM2501 | in the credits in game they mention ODE and OSG that's it |
| 00:02.39 | brlcad | those may be the only two GPL ones |
| 00:02.57 | JeffM2501 | or they paid for non GPL licensese for the others |
| 00:03.13 | JeffM2501 | they do use FMOD do they have to have some cash |
| 00:03.18 | JeffM2501 | that sucker ain't cheap |
| 00:04.29 | orthox | thanks to everyone for the help. by dns records were totally bollixed |
| 00:05.12 | orthox | moral of the story. don't trust third party applications to sanely manage configs |
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| 00:21.16 | conman | help, i cannot set up a ctf server |
| 00:21.33 | blast007 | bzfs -help |
| 00:21.40 | conman | i configured the file correctly, and have a world file |
| 00:21.59 | conman | ok |
| 00:22.10 | Tanner | what os are you using? |
| 00:22.12 | blast007 | what exactly is the issue? |
| 00:22.18 | spldart | is it coming up as ffa or something? |
| 00:22.26 | spldart | or no flags? |
| 00:22.28 | Tanner | lol |
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| 00:22.58 | conman | it says i have no world file |
| 00:23.07 | conman | it works fine w/ free for all |
| 00:23.21 | blast007 | do you have bases in the world file? |
| 00:23.22 | spldart | And you have bases assigned in the world? |
| 00:23.25 | spldart | lol |
| 00:23.26 | Tanner | :D |
| 00:23.28 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:23.39 | spldart | me |
| 00:23.40 | spldart | 2 |
| 00:23.40 | conman | two, red and blue |
| 00:24.47 | blast007 | and are the team counts set up properly, so that only red and blue exist? (plus any observers you want) |
| 00:25.04 | conman | like player limits |
| 00:25.15 | Tanner | -mp ... |
| 00:25.58 | Tanner | -mp rogue,red,green,blue,purple,observer |
| 00:26.00 | Tanner | I think |
| 00:26.10 | conman | oh that |
| 00:26.15 | conman | trying it... |
| 00:26.46 | Tanner | yours should look something like -mp 0,x,0,x,0,x |
| 00:26.46 | conman | lol i think that fixed that |
| 00:26.53 | Tanner | yay :) |
| 00:28.25 | spldart | :) x2 |
| 00:31.20 | conman | YEP IT WORKS!!! |
| 00:31.36 | conman | CONMAN.SELFIP.COM:5154 |
| 00:31.58 | spldart | Did he say thank you? |
| 00:31.59 | spldart | heh |
| 00:32.03 | Tanner | lol |
| 00:32.25 | Tanner | I would say "kids these days", but I'm a kid so.... :D |
| 00:37.18 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:37.28 | spldart | I'm just a kid at heart |
| 00:37.56 | Tanner | :) |
| 00:37.57 | blast007 | :) |
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| 01:08.31 | conman | lol found a bug for lan play |
| 01:08.57 | blast007 | step on it |
| 01:09.02 | conman | if there is a permanent server, and another computer on the same lan plays, they have an advantage |
| 01:09.26 | conman | like stealing the flag without beeing seen |
| 01:09.42 | blast007 | huh? |
| 01:09.50 | conman | uhh |
| 01:09.53 | blast007 | so a public server? |
| 01:10.01 | blast007 | and someone on the lan connects to it locally? |
| 01:10.49 | conman | if my computer is hostingg a game, and i play that game on another computer on my netowrk, i will appear to all others as non-responsive, but can still steal flags |
| 01:10.58 | conman | cannot kill, though |
| 01:11.23 | blast007 | that's not a bug, that's a crappy network |
| 01:11.29 | conman | ??? |
| 01:11.50 | blast007 | from the LAN, you're connecting to the public address? |
| 01:11.56 | conman | yes |
| 01:12.00 | blast007 | if so, blame your router, not the game |
| 01:12.07 | conman | oh... |
| 01:12.24 | blast007 | connect to the interal IP address of the server when playing on your LAN |
| 01:12.28 | blast007 | should work better for ya |
| 01:14.01 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:14.43 | conman | ill try |
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| 02:00.42 | orthox | ~bzfquery massiv.icarusfallen.net:5154 |
| 02:03.05 | orthox | ~bzfquery pillbox.icarusfallen.net:5155 |
| 02:03.17 | orthox | ~bzfquery fogofwar.icarusfallen.net:5156 |
| 02:03.37 | orthox | ~bzfquery massiv.icarusfallen.net:5154 |
| 02:07.11 | purple_cow | do you really need to do that in the channel? |
| 02:07.20 | purple_cow | you can use /msg, or even (gasp) a bzflag client |
| 02:07.55 | orthox | sorry, i've forogotten how to use irc |
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| 03:03.14 | brlcad | ~dict aloof |
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| 04:00.44 | Distant_Shores | Anybody else around? |
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| 04:23.50 | [NP]Tangent | I'm having a problem in bzflag |
| 04:24.12 | [NP]Tangent | after 20 minutes or so of playing, my fps suddenly drop to around 2 |
| 04:24.20 | [NP]Tangent | it only happens in bzflag, no other game |
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| 04:45.30 | I_Died_Once | That happened to me when I used to be a hardcore solitaire addict.... |
| 04:48.28 | [NP]Tangent | :-\ |
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| 04:51.01 | jacques | 2.0.8 crashes within 1 second upon entering a game on my macbook |
| 04:58.19 | [NP]Tangent | alright, I'm working on a maze-kindof map |
| 04:58.25 | [NP]Tangent | gonnan make my server a rotation |
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| 05:08.02 | silverfox | plugins are generally compiled independantly of bzfs, right? |
| 05:08.10 | silverfox | s/dant/dent/ |
| 05:08.12 | [NP]Tangent | I believe so |
| 05:08.25 | silverfox | I'm trying to compile fairCTF, and getting some grief. |
| 05:08.33 | silverfox | 'c1plus: error: invalid option argument `-O |
| 05:10.50 | silverfox | ah... bad path in Makefile |
| 05:11.00 | silverfox | now I get c++: No input files specified |
| 05:27.31 | cosmos | hey silver |
| 05:27.44 | silverfox | hey cosmos, how's it going? |
| 05:27.55 | cosmos | not bad, whats your fair compile issue? |
| 05:28.27 | silverfox | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/80216 |
| 05:28.45 | silverfox | I'm not real sure. The error message isn't very edifying. |
| 05:29.35 | cosmos | ok, what os, what compiler etc for basic things |
| 05:30.27 | silverfox | freeBSD. |
| 05:30.35 | silverfox | gcc 3.4.4 |
| 05:31.16 | silverfox | its an old CVS checkout, but a fresh fairCTF unzip... |
| 05:31.24 | cosmos | ahh |
| 05:31.31 | silverfox | plugin compile is relatively independent of bzfs right? |
| 05:31.31 | cosmos | i built it on freebsd recently myself |
| 05:31.56 | cosmos | it is but i think i included it in my overall build due to some issues let me login and look |
| 05:32.46 | orange | silverfox: might want to go with stock 2.0.8 |
| 05:33.00 | orange | unless this cvs is newer than that, of course |
| 05:33.25 | silverfox | I can do a checkout if you think it'll help. |
| 05:33.31 | cosmos | use gmake |
| 05:33.36 | cosmos | try it that way first |
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| 05:33.39 | orange | try cosmos' idea first :-) |
| 05:33.58 | cosmos | tuxsux# make |
| 05:33.58 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.58 | cosmos | : No such file or directory |
| 05:33.58 | cosmos | c++: No input files specified |
| 05:33.58 | cosmos | *** Error code 1 |
| 05:34.01 | cosmos | Stop in /bzflag/src/bzflag-2.0.8/plugins/fairCTF_source. |
| 05:34.03 | cosmos | tuxsux# gmake |
| 05:34.06 | cosmos | g++ -fPIC -frtti -I../../include -O -shared -rdynamic fairCTF.o -o fairCTF.so |
| 05:34.12 | orange | interesting |
| 05:34.14 | silverfox | what the heck is gmake?!? |
| 05:34.36 | orange | get me a kompiler, eh? |
| 05:34.40 | DTRemenak | gmake is gnu make. make is bsd make |
| 05:34.48 | silverfox | man... freebsd is a tad different than I'm accustomed to. |
| 05:34.48 | DTRemenak | they have ever-so-slightly different syntax |
| 05:34.53 | silverfox | I'll get it eventually. |
| 05:35.02 | L4m3r | fairCTF.soO? |
| 05:35.03 | cosmos | gnu make |
| 05:35.23 | DTRemenak | bz itself will build with either successfuly |
| 05:36.10 | silverfox | interesting. Thanks so much for the help. Not sure how I could have figured that out w/out it. |
| 05:37.25 | cosmos | its a standard with free software |
| 05:37.47 | cosmos | ie if your not on linux which usually defaults to gnu, try gmake, etc |
| 05:37.57 | cosmos | solaris, bsd etc have different stock make programs |
| 05:38.45 | cosmos | brb :) |
| 05:43.19 | silverfox | works dandy. |
| 05:43.51 | silverfox | we use solaris at work... I've got all my gnu tools in /usr/local/src and put that first in the path. ;) |
| 05:50.23 | orthox | not sure if it's related, but when i tried ti build bzflag, i was compiling on linux with the ".zip" download. it would not work no matter what i tried. i downloaded the ".bz2" and it worked perfectly the first time. |
| 05:51.56 | JeffM2501 | the zip is in windows line ending formap |
| 05:51.58 | JeffM2501 | format |
| 05:52.07 | JeffM2501 | it's for windows systems not unix type ones |
| 05:52.10 | JeffM2501 | so that's normal |
| 05:52.27 | orthox | i hadn't realized i downloaded the .zip at first |
| 05:53.30 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:05.32 | silverfox | anyone ever recover a mysql db from files (w/out mysqld running on the donor)? |
| 07:07.49 | orthox | do you mean you have the db files, possible corrupt and you want to get the data into a new mysql instance? |
| 07:08.25 | [NP]Tangent | grr |
| 07:08.28 | [NP]Tangent | I can't play bzflag now |
| 07:08.38 | [NP]Tangent | because my ISP has all of a sudden decided to SUCK again |
| 07:12.07 | silverfox | Hate that. |
| 07:12.23 | silverfox | I can't play at the moment because bzflag flickers like #$%^ on this machine... |
| 07:13.21 | orthox | if you have the .frm .MYD and .MYI files then it should be possible to recover the databases. check this link: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/repair.html |
| 07:13.49 | orthox | thats what i used last time had to restore from file |
| 07:14.54 | orthox | i also was missing one or two of the file types (i only had the data files). to recover from that, you need to create the database structure manually (or via script if you have one), then copy the data files into the correct location, then follow the instructions in the link. |
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| 07:45.21 | silverfox | bummer... all of those appear to be missing from my backup... |
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| 09:29.02 | Waistless | hey, is CVS down, i can't update: "cvs [login aborted]: Error reading from server cvs.bzflag.org: 0: No such file or directory" |
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| 10:42.09 | QuantumBeep | I dreamed that I spent like four hours eating a ten pound marshmallow. |
| 10:42.24 | QuantumBeep | And the when I woke up my pillow was gone |
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| 13:12.20 | ibot | brlcad: GOOD MORNING!!! |
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| 18:55.29 | Birdie | any pythonian admin? |
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| 20:41.06 | Birdie | its sad that admins warn you "watch where you shoot" if you have a score of 75 30... |
| 20:41.13 | Birdie | cause you do a tk |
| 20:41.46 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:42.10 | Birdie | such good admins we have around: |
| 20:42.12 | Birdie | :) |
| 20:42.42 | blast007 | at least the server had an admin at all ;) |
| 20:43.08 | Birdie | ya yay |
| 20:44.51 | ruskie | :) |
| 20:45.02 | ruskie | I rearly warn ppl for tking |
| 20:45.20 | ruskie | bet I swoop down on them like a hawk when I see lag or jitter |
| 20:45.22 | [NP]Tangent | I only get pissed about tking if it keeps happening |
| 20:45.26 | [NP]Tangent | yeah |
| 20:45.30 | [NP]Tangent | lag > 200 = bad |
| 20:45.34 | [NP]Tangent | especially on my server |
| 20:45.35 | ruskie | 300 |
| 20:45.43 | [NP]Tangent | because there's lower lag on my server than most |
| 20:45.53 | [NP]Tangent | even for German users |
| 20:45.53 | Birdie | on non jumping above 200 sux |
| 20:46.00 | Birdie | on jumping, 200 to actually:) |
| 20:46.05 | [NP]Tangent | which is funny because the server is in Aus |
| 20:46.19 | ruskie | the worst type is lag 250 jitter 50 |
| 20:46.45 | [NP]Tangent | yeah |
| 20:46.51 | Birdie | jitter sux more than lag |
| 20:46.53 | [NP]Tangent | it's not so much lag that kills things |
| 20:46.55 | [NP]Tangent | jitter is the worst |
| 20:46.59 | Birdie | adjusting to lag is more easy than to jitter |
| 20:47.09 | [NP]Tangent | jitter > 20 starts to get real annoying |
| 20:47.14 | [NP]Tangent | and lag > 200 on my server |
| 20:47.16 | [NP]Tangent | 300 on others |
| 20:47.26 | Birdie | jitter above 10 is even noticable |
| 20:47.32 | Birdie | (ok that is written wrong;.) |
| 20:47.38 | Birdie | against good players, its annoying |
| 20:47.47 | ruskie | I ussualy don't notice jitter until around 30-40 |
| 20:48.01 | [NP]Tangent | yeah |
| 20:48.04 | ruskie | and even then it's a case by case |
| 20:48.09 | [NP]Tangent | usually it's obvious when it gets bad |
| 20:48.11 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Dealing with jit isn't so bad if it's a high-shot count server. |
| 20:48.13 | [NP]Tangent | though |
| 20:48.20 | [NP]Tangent | one thing that annoys me |
| 20:48.32 | [NP]Tangent | is when I'm not lagging all that bad |
| 20:48.36 | [NP]Tangent | but it's dropping packets |
| 20:48.39 | [NP]Tangent | like last night |
| 20:48.41 | Birdie | IF its a high shot count server:) -> i never play on those |
| 20:48.47 | Birdie | 2 or 3 bullets rock |
| 20:48.51 | [NP]Tangent | yeah |
| 20:48.54 | [NP]Tangent | 3 is ideal for me |
| 20:48.59 | Birdie | outside badgerking, only ffa place where i play with 5 shots |
| 20:48.59 | [NP]Tangent | I'm used to SilverCat |
| 20:49.11 | ruskie | I like 5 shots |
| 20:49.15 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I've been playing a lot on the compound, which has 6. |
| 20:49.21 | [NP]Tangent | eah |
| 20:49.23 | [NP]Tangent | compound is cool |
| 20:49.27 | [NP]Tangent | but it screws the game up |
| 20:49.28 | [NP]Tangent | yeah |
| 20:49.36 | [NP]Tangent | my fps drop problem is on Compound only |
| 20:49.39 | [NP]Tangent | not on other servers |
| 20:49.40 | [NP]Tangent | dunno why |
| 20:49.54 | [NP]Tangent | yeah man |
| 20:49.56 | PuMpErNiCkLe | It's a complex map - L4m3r's working on the fps problem, though. |
| 20:50.03 | [NP]Tangent | I'm gonna make a four-team CTF map |
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| 20:50.16 | Birdie | hix is the best 4 team ctf place |
| 20:50.18 | ruskie | the labyrinth map will have a 4 team ctf mode as well :) |
| 20:50.22 | [NP]Tangent | :D |
| 20:50.26 | ruskie | no radar though... |
| 20:50.30 | PuMpErNiCkLe | :o |
| 20:50.44 | ruskie | and sw mines |
| 20:50.49 | [NP]Tangent | I might make my map a series of tunnels |
| 20:51.20 | Birdie | no radar, ew |
| 20:51.29 | ruskie | well it's a labyrinth |
| 20:51.36 | ruskie | and even with radar it doesn't help |
| 20:51.41 | ruskie | ll the layers merge into one |
| 20:51.58 | ruskie | so you never know who's where |
| 20:52.13 | Birdie | thats annoying:) |
| 20:52.16 | [NP]Tangent | heh |
| 20:52.22 | ruskie | atleast each time I tested it it happened that way |
| 20:52.26 | [NP]Tangent | I might make my map a labyrinth sort of thing |
| 20:52.29 | [NP]Tangent | no jumping |
| 20:52.35 | ruskie | mine is with jumping |
| 20:52.36 | [NP]Tangent | but there will be elevators to go up and down |
| 20:52.38 | [NP]Tangent | :) |
| 20:52.41 | ruskie | it's a 3 story thin |
| 20:52.54 | [NP]Tangent | yeah |
| 20:52.59 | [NP]Tangent | I'm gonna make one with four stories |
| 20:53.06 | [NP]Tangent | a base in the center of each |
| 20:53.12 | [NP]Tangent | but you need to use the links to get up and down |
| 20:53.14 | ruskie | and each story looks the same :) |
| 20:53.18 | [NP]Tangent | yes! |
| 20:53.22 | [NP]Tangent | or it's rotated |
| 20:53.25 | ruskie | yeah |
| 20:53.28 | [NP]Tangent | and the links will all be random |
| 20:53.31 | ruskie | I mean same walls and floor |
| 20:53.32 | [NP]Tangent | so it varies where you end up |
| 20:53.39 | [NP]Tangent | to make it more difficult to get back home |
| 20:53.56 | [NP]Tangent | well |
| 20:54.00 | [NP]Tangent | I've gotta take a shower |
| 20:54.07 | [NP]Tangent | hopefully today is slow at work |
| 20:54.09 | [NP]Tangent | like yesterday |
| 20:54.11 | ruskie | but yeah the layers are rotated here |
| 20:54.11 | [NP]Tangent | seriously |
| 20:54.32 | [NP]Tangent | the place was so empty yesterday that all of us (kitchen, frontline, and manager) were doing word searches for an hour |
| 20:54.37 | [NP]Tangent | I work at Carl's Jr. |
| 20:55.09 | ruskie | that tells me nothing |
| 20:55.18 | [NP]Tangent | it's a fast food place |
| 20:56.08 | A_Meteorite | Where can I find the shotIDs for bz_fireWorldWep ? |
| 20:56.09 | JeffM2501 | I got fired from CJs |
| 20:56.17 | A_Meteorite | at least the source file :) |
| 20:56.24 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, just pass in 0 |
| 20:56.31 | A_Meteorite | k |
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| 21:04.05 | JeffM2501 | realy should take that one outa there |
| 21:04.21 | JeffM2501 | and ditch the entire shot "slot" thing |
| 21:04.47 | A_Meteorite | heh... I was trying to make a /okill command |
| 21:04.55 | A_Meteorite | kill other people with your ID |
| 21:04.58 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, ive tried that lol |
| 21:05.03 | Gnurdux | but you can just use killplayer |
| 21:05.04 | A_Meteorite | grrr |
| 21:05.07 | Gnurdux | you dont need a wordlwep |
| 21:05.20 | Gnurdux | worldweps suck cause if the person is lagging, they dont blow up |
| 21:05.25 | Gnurdux | and it can get other people too |
| 21:05.32 | A_Meteorite | I substituted BZ_SERVER for their slot and it crashed... |
| 21:05.32 | Gnurdux | its just killplayer screws up the scores |
| 21:05.45 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, dont specify the slow |
| 21:05.47 | Gnurdux | *slot |
| 21:05.53 | A_Meteorite | that was the point though |
| 21:05.55 | Gnurdux | and dont use world weapons |
| 21:06.00 | A_Meteorite | give the person with the command a point |
| 21:06.02 | Gnurdux | just use bz_killPlayer |
| 21:06.06 | A_Meteorite | :P |
| 21:06.09 | Gnurdux | and pass yourself as the killer A_Meteorite |
| 21:06.38 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite: you can pass a playerid of the killer to bz_killPlayer |
| 21:06.50 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 21:07.08 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, if you killed shot slots, how would it manage shot management? with linked lists? |
| 21:07.12 | A_Meteorite | I kindda liked the idea of blowing people up with WW though... *sighs* |
| 21:07.18 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, i tried that... |
| 21:07.19 | JeffM2501 | vector |
| 21:07.25 | A_Meteorite | k |
| 21:07.32 | A_Meteorite | vectors... my worst nightmare |
| 21:07.42 | JeffM2501 | they are just dynamic arrays |
| 21:07.47 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, if they are moving, and it is laggy, they dont blow up |
| 21:07.47 | JeffM2501 | tho I'd actualy do them with a map |
| 21:07.52 | JeffM2501 | and a universal object ID |
| 21:07.53 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, he was thinkong of math vectors |
| 21:08.00 | A_Meteorite | I can never seem to make vectors work :) |
| 21:08.01 | JeffM2501 | both are simple |
| 21:08.04 | Gnurdux | yep |
| 21:08.19 | JeffM2501 | push pop and clear, what else is there to know |
| 21:08.26 | Gnurdux | anyways killplayer is good |
| 21:08.34 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, that could do cool things |
| 21:08.42 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 21:09.00 | Gnurdux | it would make MUCH more sense to have 1 shot, with a lower reload time than its expiration |
| 21:09.09 | Gnurdux | so that you have a "maximum fire rate" essentially |
| 21:09.21 | JeffM2501 | what makes you think that the removal of shots slots would have ANYTHING to do with that? |
| 21:09.22 | Gnurdux | tho that would change gameplay i guess :\ |
| 21:09.31 | JeffM2501 | it would behave the same |
| 21:09.37 | JeffM2501 | just have a difrent internal structure |
| 21:09.38 | Gnurdux | ah you would only remove internally not externally |
| 21:09.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:09.52 | Gnurdux | still, tha would fix the world weapon crash thing |
| 21:10.07 | JeffM2501 | it would help prevent many crashes/overflow problems |
| 21:10.10 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, btw if a world weapon fired "by a player" hits anyone, it crashes all clients |
| 21:10.39 | JeffM2501 | that and to keep a copy of all the data with the shot |
| 21:10.52 | JeffM2501 | so it dosn't need to do a lookup |
| 21:11.01 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, that is certainly necesary, for things like rabbit mode..... |
| 21:11.15 | JeffM2501 | there are many things |
| 21:11.18 | A_Meteorite | it doesn't ALWAYS crash... |
| 21:11.24 | A_Meteorite | I just did it 4 times without crashing |
| 21:11.26 | Gnurdux | if the rabbit respawns before the shot expires, and it hits someone, it counts as a TK |
| 21:11.32 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, only if it kills someone |
| 21:11.34 | JeffM2501 | geno has the same problem |
| 21:11.45 | A_Meteorite | Gnurdux: it killed my bots 4 times |
| 21:11.52 | smalltux | i need to debug some lag issues to dub.bzflag.org, does anyone here have shell access to it? |
| 21:11.54 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, thats a local shot |
| 21:11.58 | Gnurdux | it doesnt count |
| 21:12.09 | Gnurdux | if i connected, and i was killed "by your bot" with a world wep |
| 21:12.13 | Gnurdux | they would all crash |
| 21:12.22 | A_Meteorite | ...oh |
| 21:12.32 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 21:12.42 | A_Meteorite | *sighs* |
| 21:13.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah you can't make the shot come from a player |
| 21:13.07 | A_Meteorite | darn |
| 21:13.10 | JeffM2501 | that's another problem with the slot thing |
| 21:13.14 | A_Meteorite | maybe in a redesigned protocol... |
| 21:13.17 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, so just use killplayer |
| 21:13.28 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, removing the slots would mean changing the proto |
| 21:13.30 | Gnurdux | well, even if you had shot slots, if you sent the player seperately |
| 21:13.33 | A_Meteorite | Gnurdux: I wanted it for my collection of ultra-evil plugins, that's OK ;) |
| 21:13.39 | JeffM2501 | each player has there own set of slots |
| 21:13.46 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, whats in there, maybe i can help :P |
| 21:13.50 | JeffM2501 | if you send player seperate then you have one big list of slots |
| 21:13.54 | JeffM2501 | aka a big map ;) |
| 21:13.58 | A_Meteorite | if I told you I would have to kill you |
| 21:13.59 | Gnurdux | also why are you reluctant to say that mofo hosts bzfx A_Meteorite ? |
| 21:14.06 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, i wanna help :( |
| 21:14.27 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't have to tell you anything he dosn't want to ;) |
| 21:14.28 | A_Meteorite | Gnurdux: I'm not reluctant I'm secretive. QB doesn't want everyone to know. |
| 21:14.40 | Gnurdux | lol nice timing ! |
| 21:14.42 | A_Meteorite | because if everyone knew then they would beg for hosting |
| 21:14.45 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 21:14.47 | A_Meteorite | ... |
| 21:14.51 | Gnurdux | but I_died_once told me |
| 21:14.57 | Gnurdux | and he like owns mofo |
| 21:15.02 | Gnurdux | or at least started it |
| 21:15.10 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't mean you should go out and shout it too the world |
| 21:15.32 | Gnurdux | he said that it was A_Meteorite who didn't want it known lol |
| 21:15.47 | JeffM2501 | I mean I was told that you dress up in girls clothing and run around with pigtails.. but you don't see me saying it to everyone |
| 21:15.52 | A_Meteorite | he did...? when I first started he told me not to say... |
| 21:16.01 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 21:16.04 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 21:16.06 | A_Meteorite | well, I guess things change :) |
| 21:16.46 | Gnurdux | I_Died_Once has a tendency to stretch the truth, like in the openleague vs mofo tournament he said that we were "talking smack about the ductai league" |
| 21:17.19 | Gnurdux | and he said ductai more than once, its like JeffM2501 and fourm ;) |
| 21:17.35 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 21:17.39 | A_Meteorite | ductai.. lol... |
| 21:18.19 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, he said ductai instead of ducati several times, just like you say fourm a lot, tho even you spell it right most of the time, and the ductai was every time he said it |
| 21:18.28 | Gnurdux | maybe he thinks its called the ductai league |
| 21:18.42 | A_Meteorite | ducTAI |
| 21:18.44 | JeffM2501 | it's called a typo |
| 21:18.48 | JeffM2501 | deal with it |
| 21:18.48 | A_Meteorite | sounds cool that way ;) |
| 21:18.53 | Gnurdux | it does |
| 21:19.00 | Gnurdux | where does ducati come from anyway? |
| 21:19.02 | A_Meteorite | almost like duck-tape |
| 21:19.02 | JeffM2501 | do you 2 even know what it means? |
| 21:19.11 | JeffM2501 | it's a motorcycle |
| 21:19.13 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 21:19.13 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: I figured it was a made up word |
| 21:19.17 | JeffM2501 | zoom zoom zoom |
| 21:19.19 | A_Meteorite | oh nice |
| 21:19.42 | JeffM2501 | http://images.google.com/images?q=ducati&oe=UTF-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 21:19.51 | Gnurdux | hows it pronounced? doo-cah-tee? |
| 21:19.59 | Gnurdux | is it italian? |
| 21:20.01 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:20.27 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.09 | spldart | AH! You guys are talking bikes .. I LOVE bikes! |
| 21:23.24 | JeffM2501 | they don't know bikes |
| 21:24.03 | spldart | But I do :-D |
| 21:24.13 | spldart | Build motors and everything' |
| 21:26.07 | *** join/#bzflag zongo_ (n=zongo@int-34-137.mobile.unibas.ch) |
| 21:26.15 | [NP]Tangent | I saw a couple of Ducati bikes the other day |
| 21:27.48 | spldart | I are teh Homo universalis. |
| 21:29.41 | JeffM2501 | of course you are |
| 21:29.51 | spldart | ;-) |
| 21:31.03 | spldart | Self evident aren't I |
| 21:33.11 | [NP]Tangent | hi spldart |
| 21:33.52 | spldart | Hi |
| 21:33.56 | [NP]Tangent | sup? |
| 21:34.02 | spldart | Being abnoxious |
| 21:34.05 | spldart | ;) |
| 21:34.32 | spldart | And doing a little creative cooking |
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| 21:45.08 | Gnurdux | ~bz20cvs |
| 21:45.10 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 21:45.29 | *** join/#bzflag A-Delusion (n=A-Delusi@pool-151-201-116-35.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:46.57 | ichnichtdumich | Gnurdux ? |
| 21:47.00 | ichnichtdumich | <Gnurdux> menotume, pyr0 got login cookies working :P |
| 21:47.05 | ichnichtdumich | what does that mean ? |
| 21:47.16 | ichnichtdumich | webleague has always used cookies |
| 21:47.29 | Gnurdux | ichnichtdumich, now it has a "remember me" option in login |
| 21:47.38 | ichnichtdumich | oh, i see, ok :) |
| 21:47.43 | Gnurdux | its awesome |
| 21:47.53 | Gnurdux | also they had a fix for the blank screen bug |
| 21:47.55 | ichnichtdumich | heh, my browser does it for me |
| 21:48.00 | ichnichtdumich | yes |
| 21:48.05 | Gnurdux | ichnichtdumich, mine svaes it, but not autologin |
| 21:48.41 | ichnichtdumich | to me, saving one button press isn't 'awesome' :) |
| 21:48.48 | ichnichtdumich | easy enough to do though |
| 21:48.58 | JeffM2501 | mashed potatos are "awesome" to Gnurdux |
| 21:49.09 | spldart | and gravy? |
| 21:49.18 | JeffM2501 | no gravy is "wicked" |
| 21:49.29 | A_Meteorite | "rad" |
| 21:49.30 | spldart | lol |
| 21:49.40 | spldart | Rad-E-Cool |
| 21:49.49 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 21:49.53 | JeffM2501 | you are too young to know the "rad" |
| 21:50.09 | A_Meteorite | it's got double meaning? not this again... |
| 21:50.39 | JeffM2501 | no, just you wern't alive in the valley in 1983 |
| 21:50.48 | A_Meteorite | heh ok |
| 21:54.22 | JeffM2501 | heck your parents may not have even been maried then :) |
| 21:55.08 | spldart | :-x |
| 21:59.54 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, have there been changes in 2.0-branch since 2.0.8's release? |
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| 22:06.43 | A_Meteorite | Gnurdux: some |
| 22:06.56 | A_Meteorite | trepan added those radar enhancements, iirc |
| 22:08.14 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, probably |
| 22:08.26 | JeffM2501 | look at the cvs activity and see |
| 22:09.13 | [NP]Tangent | hey ruskie, you still here? |
| 22:10.03 | [NP]Tangent | I think I perfected the labyrinth idea |
| 22:10.15 | [NP]Tangent | especially if I do four team CTF |
| 22:17.33 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, just curious, but has development been dying down? |
| 22:18.24 | Gnurdux | it seems to me that at this rate 2.2 will never happen |
| 22:19.09 | [NP]Tangent | Gnurdux, you should be the savior of the project then :P |
| 22:19.16 | Gnurdux | [NP]Tangent, lol |
| 22:20.11 | Gnurdux | ...if you want the project "saved" by someone who has never taken a real programming class, has never worked on a real project, has no experience, sure |
| 22:22.39 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, for the last year, yeah |
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| 22:22.57 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, recruit s'more devs! |
| 22:23.06 | Gnurdux | get L4m3r to be a dev, he makes good plugins |
| 22:23.10 | JeffM2501 | to do what? |
| 22:23.17 | JeffM2501 | we have noone doing designs |
| 22:23.22 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, ah |
| 22:23.23 | JeffM2501 | or saying what needs to be done |
| 22:23.25 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: the last year of what? |
| 22:23.28 | L4m3r | making plugins does not qualify one to be a dev. |
| 22:23.39 | JeffM2501 | of the project |
| 22:23.41 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i thought that what needs to be done was fiarly clear.. |
| 22:23.43 | _sussi | L4m3r run a nice map |
| 22:23.52 | [NP]Tangent | 4m3r ftw |
| 22:23.53 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: you mean BZFlag is halting? |
| 22:23.54 | [NP]Tangent | er |
| 22:23.57 | [NP]Tangent | l4m3r |
| 22:24.05 | A_Meteorite | woah woah woah... I never heard that announcement |
| 22:24.07 | Gnurdux | away dinner |
| 22:24.14 | L4m3r | I may be something of a god amongst the munchkins, but I really am not that skilled :P |
| 22:24.17 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, the geneal idea for some stuff is known, but tha'ts not enough for a spec or design |
| 22:25.26 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: so are you resigning? or what? |
| 22:25.36 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, from what? |
| 22:25.37 | A_Meteorite | or is someone important resigning? |
| 22:25.40 | A_Meteorite | as a dev |
| 22:25.42 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, read all the words |
| 22:25.47 | A_Meteorite | you said this is the last year |
| 22:25.52 | JeffM2501 | don't just jump to a conclusion |
| 22:25.56 | A_Meteorite | of the project |
| 22:26.00 | Mr_Molez | let gnurdux take over !! |
| 22:26.01 | JeffM2501 | read |
| 22:26.05 | A_Meteorite | assuming the project is bzflag |
| 22:26.06 | A_Meteorite | I did read |
| 22:26.12 | JeffM2501 | he asked a question |
| 22:26.19 | JeffM2501 | I answerd with my opinion |
| 22:26.27 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, it's not mine to give over |
| 22:26.42 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: joking :P |
| 22:26.43 | JeffM2501 | if it was, I'd hope it wouldn't be where it is today ;) |
| 22:26.48 | JeffM2501 | I know man, I know |
| 22:27.10 | L4m3r | but, but... without bzflag I'll have even less of a life! I'll go from like 0 to -1 :( |
| 22:27.36 | A_Meteorite | I think I'm misunderstanding JeffM2501's answer the more I read it... |
| 22:27.39 | JeffM2501 | well only A_Meteorite said it was "halting" |
| 22:27.47 | L4m3r | I know :) |
| 22:27.55 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: that's what it sounds like when you said "last year" |
| 22:28.01 | A_Meteorite | unless I'm reading something wrong |
| 22:28.12 | A_Meteorite | ...which I probably am |
| 22:28.15 | JeffM2501 | the development has been slowing down for the last year |
| 22:28.21 | JeffM2501 | past year |
| 22:28.24 | A_Meteorite | ah, ok, that cleared it up :) |
| 22:28.26 | JeffM2501 | one year past from now |
| 22:28.26 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, yeah, thats what he said |
| 22:28.27 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 22:28.33 | Gnurdux | it might well be the last year |
| 22:28.48 | JeffM2501 | saying this was the last year of development would be odd, cus that means there woudl be a plan |
| 22:28.54 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 22:28.56 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 22:28.57 | JeffM2501 | and if there was a plan, then dev wouldn't be slowing down :) |
| 22:28.58 | DTRemenak | that would indeed be odd |
| 22:28.59 | A_Meteorite | no plans |
| 22:29.01 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501 why don't you make a plan? |
| 22:29.09 | JeffM2501 | I have tried |
| 22:29.10 | Gnurdux | tho has bzflag EVER had a plan? |
| 22:29.12 | A_Meteorite | *kills the plans so they can't quit* |
| 22:29.14 | DTRemenak | plan's no good if people don't follow it |
| 22:29.19 | JeffM2501 | I am not the maintainer, I have no pull |
| 22:29.21 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, didn't trepan have one? |
| 22:29.22 | A_Meteorite | >gobz |
| 22:29.45 | JeffM2501 | trepan has ideas, and a lot of code, but that does not mean a project wide plan |
| 22:29.50 | DTRemenak | Gnurdux, there is no project plan. Each dev has his own plans, sure. |
| 22:29.56 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 22:30.05 | Gnurdux | why don't you get TimRiker to assign someone to plan |
| 22:30.06 | DTRemenak | otherwise nothing would get done at all |
| 22:30.13 | _sussi | plan? or a target |
| 22:30.17 | JeffM2501 | because he does not wish to |
| 22:30.24 | JeffM2501 | it has been discussed before |
| 22:30.27 | DTRemenak | Gnurdux, you can't force volunteers to work on something they don't want to |
| 22:30.27 | Gnurdux | agh really away now |
| 22:30.30 | JeffM2501 | people donte there time |
| 22:31.06 | DTRemenak | if you want to have a plan you have to convince people that they want to follow it. that's the hard part. making a plan is easy. |
| 22:31.26 | JeffM2501 | it is all about geting people excited ;) |
| 22:31.34 | JeffM2501 | free porn with every commit |
| 22:32.18 | L4m3r | might as well send them dirt... :P |
| 22:32.29 | JeffM2501 | every 13 year old would want commit access |
| 22:32.30 | L4m3r | free porn ain't hard to find, lol |
| 22:32.44 | L4m3r | most of us get it when we're not even looking for it... |
| 22:33.22 | JeffM2501 | hey it's at least something :) |
| 22:33.27 | JeffM2501 | more then what we give out now |
| 22:34.23 | JeffM2501 | I think we could have more of a compromise between our current "no plan no asigment" paradigm, and the full comercial "do this or get fired" |
| 22:34.54 | JeffM2501 | we could have a plan so that when people want to do stuff they can pull from it, and ask people if they are willing to do things in less popular areas of the plan |
| 22:34.59 | JeffM2501 | and manage them somewhat |
| 22:35.03 | L4m3r | assignment may not be the best thing |
| 22:35.10 | JeffM2501 | exatly |
| 22:35.17 | L4m3r | but voluntary "claiming" would work |
| 22:35.17 | JeffM2501 | but you can ask "hey can do do this..." |
| 22:35.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:35.26 | JeffM2501 | a compromise |
| 22:35.27 | L4m3r | and asking, yeah |
| 22:35.36 | JeffM2501 | but it takes someone to make sure it does get done somehow |
| 22:35.42 | JeffM2501 | for the good of the project |
| 22:35.50 | L4m3r | but you have to wonder... |
| 22:36.09 | JeffM2501 | it's why I'd like to know how larger projects, like firefox, work out. |
| 22:36.19 | L4m3r | how many of the game's features were implemented because someone with commit access just grew a wild hair on their arse? :) |
| 22:36.23 | JeffM2501 | do they have a group that just follows the plan blindy? |
| 22:36.31 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, all of them |
| 22:36.43 | L4m3r | well, there ya go. |
| 22:37.06 | L4m3r | you have to wonder what the game's tolerance for structured development would be |
| 22:37.06 | JeffM2501 | basicly noone is in "charge" of aproving new features, and figuring out how they work into the intended design |
| 22:37.12 | JeffM2501 | this game |
| 22:37.14 | JeffM2501 | it has none |
| 22:37.18 | JeffM2501 | it never had any |
| 22:37.33 | Mr_Molez | thats why a bork would rule :P |
| 22:37.42 | Mr_Molez | uhh i mean a fork |
| 22:37.46 | JeffM2501 | a bork that does what? |
| 22:37.53 | JeffM2501 | somone would have to come up with a plan for the bork |
| 22:38.02 | Mr_Molez | fork ! |
| 22:38.09 | L4m3r | bork, fork, are they really all that different? |
| 22:38.10 | JeffM2501 | and I think everyone wants a little difrent thing in the bork |
| 22:38.16 | Mr_Molez | to test all the new stuff and decide what gets put into the main code |
| 22:38.27 | JeffM2501 | everyone has there own idea of what bz "is" |
| 22:38.31 | L4m3r | you mean... like the playground branch? |
| 22:38.41 | JeffM2501 | who decises tho? |
| 22:38.55 | JeffM2501 | that should be the responsibility of the maintainer, or one of there deligates |
| 22:39.05 | JeffM2501 | I belive thats how it works in other projects |
| 22:39.12 | JeffM2501 | cus realy we arn't developed like a game at all |
| 22:39.17 | JeffM2501 | games dont go on forever |
| 22:39.28 | JeffM2501 | quake 1 stoped geting new features |
| 22:39.29 | JeffM2501 | was release |
| 22:39.37 | JeffM2501 | then they made quake 2, as a totaly new game |
| 22:39.40 | JeffM2501 | we are more like an app |
| 22:40.32 | DTRemenak | some games have continuous (or at least ultra-long) development cycles. usually mmo's. |
| 22:40.39 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:40.44 | JeffM2501 | but they have very fixed goals |
| 22:40.49 | JeffM2501 | and auto updaters ;) |
| 22:40.59 | JeffM2501 | they have a lead game design team |
| 22:41.03 | DTRemenak | that they do |
| 22:41.05 | JeffM2501 | and a Vission(tm) |
| 22:41.12 | L4m3r | I think if there were a "bzflag 2", it should be the un-simplified version. But that's just me. |
| 22:41.23 | JeffM2501 | well that's how it usualy goes |
| 22:41.32 | JeffM2501 | quake 2 was more complex in many ways then quake 1 |
| 22:41.52 | JeffM2501 | you look at what people do the most in the old game, and focus and expand on that |
| 22:41.54 | DTRemenak | bzflag 2 was more complex than bzflag 1 dude. btdt ;) |
| 22:42.15 | JeffM2501 | yet also almost 100% backwards compatable (in play and features ) |
| 22:42.41 | JeffM2501 | just like word 10 is more complex then word 5 |
| 22:42.46 | JeffM2501 | but they both kinda do the same thing |
| 22:42.51 | JeffM2501 | 10 just can do more |
| 22:42.57 | DTRemenak | dude our backwards compatibility is way better than words ;) |
| 22:43.01 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:43.02 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 22:43.33 | DTRemenak | but really there's a lot of changed gameplay in 2. wings, meshes, etc |
| 22:43.40 | JeffM2501 | dev has been slowing down I think cus people just don't know what to do. |
| 22:44.08 | JeffM2501 | the big things we all "know" have to be done, but noone wants do them cus they are freaking hard |
| 22:44.17 | DTRemenak | yeah, I avoid those |
| 22:44.22 | JeffM2501 | everyone does |
| 22:44.27 | JeffM2501 | so you get the little candy commits |
| 22:44.34 | DTRemenak | frames ftw |
| 22:44.46 | JeffM2501 | well those do look good :) |
| 22:44.51 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 22:45.00 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is like a ricer now |
| 22:45.04 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 22:45.11 | JeffM2501 | many spoilers and decals |
| 22:45.30 | JeffM2501 | but it's still a 1978 honda civic |
| 22:45.53 | JeffM2501 | an ORANGE one at that |
| 22:45.54 | DTRemenak | most of the code that needs to be replaced is really old stuff that hasn't been touched in forever |
| 22:46.15 | JeffM2501 | you can't even get parts for a 78 civic anymore |
| 22:46.21 | DTRemenak | 'cause someone did the hard work once |
| 22:47.25 | JeffM2501 | so you wonder, is it easyer to go in and mod out the civic, or go put the decals on that nice new mustang you just purchased |
| 22:47.39 | DTRemenak | and that's one reason I don't want to do it. 'cause I know if I do it, it'll stick around forever. no room for mistakes. |
| 22:49.04 | JeffM2501 | well that and you play GW all the time ;) |
| 22:49.11 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:49.38 | DTRemenak | yeah, free time is a bit scarce when there's an mmo sitting in most of it :) |
| 22:50.15 | JeffM2501 | you hear that they canned most of your tech support and GM staff? |
| 22:50.40 | DTRemenak | support guys, yeah. gm is handled by anet, not ncsoft |
| 22:50.54 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:50.54 | DTRemenak | anet is doing very well |
| 22:50.57 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 22:51.11 | JeffM2501 | was like 90% of support staff is what I heard |
| 22:51.14 | JeffM2501 | thats like ouch |
| 22:51.25 | DTRemenak | gw is one of ncsoft's few games that's NOT tanking at the moment |
| 22:51.46 | DTRemenak | have you seen the lineage subscription charts? that's gotta hurt. |
| 22:51.59 | JeffM2501 | well yeah, that's been known for a while |
| 22:52.04 | JeffM2501 | they didn't pay much for that one |
| 22:52.16 | JeffM2501 | it's all korean |
| 22:52.21 | DTRemenak | and all their new releases are busts |
| 22:52.27 | DTRemenak | except for gw factions |
| 22:52.30 | JeffM2501 | CoV/CoH is the killer for em |
| 22:52.47 | JeffM2501 | well yeah but it's not like GW realy gets em any income |
| 22:52.52 | JeffM2501 | after the sale |
| 22:52.54 | DTRemenak | how much money did they pour into auto assault? |
| 22:53.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:53.34 | DTRemenak | gw actually does ok even without monthly fees. $50 for each expansion adds up. |
| 22:53.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:53.57 | JeffM2501 | well tha'ts the normal price of an expanson in like eq :) |
| 22:54.12 | DTRemenak | yeah, then you get ripped for fees afterwards :P |
| 22:54.28 | JeffM2501 | well I wonder how self sustaning GW realy is |
| 22:54.37 | JeffM2501 | it's gotta be some "fun" budget ballance |
| 22:54.41 | JeffM2501 | for the slow months |
| 22:54.46 | DTRemenak | anet is turning profits regularly |
| 22:54.51 | JeffM2501 | well thats good |
| 22:54.54 | DTRemenak | they have an up quarter and a down quarter though |
| 22:55.01 | JeffM2501 | now if you want to talk profit, you look at WoW |
| 22:55.03 | DTRemenak | but everyone expects it |
| 22:55.08 | DTRemenak | heh, that's the truth |
| 22:55.16 | JeffM2501 | 7 mill now I think |
| 22:55.26 | JeffM2501 | tho I think BZ still has more servers ;) |
| 22:55.37 | DTRemenak | charge for the game, charge for the play, charge for the expansions...then skimp on all your expenses :) |
| 22:55.59 | JeffM2501 | WoW hasn't shiped an expansion yet |
| 22:56.03 | DTRemenak | they will |
| 22:56.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah in october |
| 22:56.10 | JeffM2501 | 30$ |
| 22:56.25 | JeffM2501 | 2 new races |
| 22:57.16 | JeffM2501 | what I want to know is how shadowbane is still around |
| 22:57.30 | JeffM2501 | I mean the dev company for it folded |
| 22:57.47 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:57.50 | JeffM2501 | that can not bode well |
| 23:01.17 | _sussi | the mustang is that ogre3d ? |
| 23:02.10 | JeffM2501 | probably not |
| 23:02.42 | JeffM2501 | cus that's only part of a car |
| 23:02.45 | JeffM2501 | not the entire thing |
| 23:03.04 | JeffM2501 | you can't put stickers on just an engine block ;) |
| 23:13.24 | A_Meteorite | lol, I wonder what the muffler is |
| 23:19.04 | JeffM2501 | the list server |
| 23:19.08 | *** join/#bzflag gsnedders (n=gsnedder@host86-139-126-254.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:19.21 | JeffM2501 | it makes people think it's on par with the big boys |
| 23:19.38 | JeffM2501 | when realy it's all just sound and fury, with no real backend |
| 23:19.46 | L4m3r | lol |
| 23:20.23 | JeffM2501 | an integrated internet game list says "hey I was made for the internet" |
| 23:20.23 | L4m3r | I think the game could be more likened to a franken-beetle |
| 23:20.23 | JeffM2501 | have you ever driven a 78 civic? |
| 23:20.28 | JeffM2501 | STATION WAGGON! |
| 23:20.40 | L4m3r | yes, but a '78 civic is all one car |
| 23:20.51 | L4m3r | bzflag is from a bunch of random parts :P |
| 23:20.56 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is basicly still one core car |
| 23:21.03 | JeffM2501 | the game that was writen back in 92 |
| 23:21.05 | L4m3r | heh |
| 23:21.14 | JeffM2501 | we've bolted some after market stuff on it, sure |
| 23:21.16 | L4m3r | so a civic with a wooden spoiler and body kit, then |
| 23:21.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:21.24 | JeffM2501 | and lots of bondo |
| 23:21.31 | L4m3r | I love bondo |
| 23:21.39 | JeffM2501 | cus your a PC Ricer! ;) |
| 23:21.51 | L4m3r | actually, my PC has no bondo. yet. |
| 23:22.17 | L4m3r | but it was quite handy for de-uglifying a 20 year old fan for my dorm room |
| 23:22.24 | JeffM2501 | mine is all natural aluminum :) |
| 23:22.35 | JeffM2501 | the delorian of cases |
| 23:22.44 | L4m3r | heh |
| 23:22.58 | JeffM2501 | you see the black one? |
| 23:23.06 | JeffM2501 | pisses me off they have a black one now :( |
| 23:23.37 | L4m3r | I don't think I've seen your actual case, but I've seen some neat similar ones |
| 23:23.52 | JeffM2501 | true, most places don't keep em in stock |
| 23:24.16 | L4m3r | does yours have those cool mesh drive bays? |
| 23:24.21 | JeffM2501 | 9 of them |
| 23:24.23 | L4m3r | with fake blanks down the whole front? |
| 23:24.27 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:24.34 | L4m3r | yeah, I've seen that at a compusa |
| 23:24.44 | JeffM2501 | well there are 4 models of stackers |
| 23:24.45 | L4m3r | but I don't think it was your exact case |
| 23:24.48 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 23:24.58 | JeffM2501 | http://www.pcclub.com/product_details.cfm?itemno=A1306830 |
| 23:25.40 | JeffM2501 | totaly reversable left/right |
| 23:25.44 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 23:25.51 | JeffM2501 | even the mobo ( upside down ATX ) |
| 23:25.57 | JeffM2501 | and btx convertable |
| 23:26.26 | L4m3r | Only a few companies make good enthusiast cases, and cooler master is one of them |
| 23:26.51 | JeffM2501 | it was between that and the termaltake armor one |
| 23:26.56 | JeffM2501 | tho the older stacker is kinda cool |
| 23:27.02 | JeffM2501 | has room for 2 PSUs |
| 23:27.07 | JeffM2501 | and the adapter to run both |
| 23:27.07 | L4m3r | thermaltake cases are nice but way too expensive |
| 23:27.23 | JeffM2501 | the thermaltake would have been cheaper then mine :) |
| 23:27.28 | L4m3r | heh |
| 23:27.49 | L4m3r | especially the thermaltake xaser series... ripoff, uglified chieftecs, basically |
| 23:28.15 | L4m3r | ...the cheiftec 601 is a great case, but it's old, so it doesn't have a lot of those neat new features |
| 23:34.33 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, what would you call your bork? ;) |
| 23:35.02 | A_Meteorite | "BZFlag X: Cheats for everyone"? |
| 23:35.07 | A_Meteorite | j/k ;) |
| 23:35.12 | Mr_Molez | A_Meteorite: meteorbite |
| 23:35.13 | JeffM2501 | X has been done to death |
| 23:35.15 | Mr_Molez | hmm |
| 23:35.19 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 23:35.28 | Mr_Molez | bzffa :P |
| 23:35.30 | A_Meteorite | I just had to get that in :P |
| 23:35.40 | A_Meteorite | Mr_Molez: where every server is an ffa? |
| 23:35.43 | JeffM2501 | borkenflag |
| 23:35.57 | Mr_Molez | that sounds cool :p |
| 23:36.19 | JeffM2501 | borkzone |
| 23:36.25 | JeffM2501 | hmm that's a porn name |
| 23:36.26 | Mr_Molez | nah borkenflag |
| 23:36.29 | Mr_Molez | haha |
| 23:36.58 | JeffM2501 | BorkenFlag: May the Bork be With You |
| 23:37.03 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 23:40.07 | Mr_Molez | lol a google search of "bzflag client mods" shows results with my name in it |
| 23:40.25 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 23:40.39 | JeffM2501 | and your sprised at this? |
| 23:40.43 | A_Meteorite | you're famous |
| 23:40.45 | A_Meteorite | ;) |
| 23:40.46 | Mr_Molez | partially :P |
| 23:42.20 | L4m3r | more like "infamous" :P |
| 23:42.41 | Mr_Molez | i think something like this |
| 23:42.43 | Mr_Molez | http://www.hawksoft.com/press/09052003.shtml |
| 23:42.48 | Mr_Molez | should be the first thing in the bork :P |
| 23:44.05 | JeffM2501 | that's built on top of hawkNL IIRC |
| 23:44.14 | *** join/#bzflag AlexandrTheGreat (n=Alexande@71.224.205.183) |
| 23:44.18 | JeffM2501 | so you'd have to convert the networking system into hawkNL |
| 23:44.19 | Mr_Molez | oh |
| 23:44.22 | JeffM2501 | not that that is a bad thing |
| 23:45.22 | Mr_Molez | http://www.hawksoft.com/hawkvoice/ |
| 23:45.24 | Mr_Molez | u sure ? |
| 23:46.05 | JeffM2501 | ahh tha'ts just there codec part |
| 23:46.18 | JeffM2501 | so you'd have to get recording to work on all the OSs and platforms |
| 23:46.27 | JeffM2501 | then pack it into it's own messages |
| 23:46.43 | Mr_Molez | nice thing is about that it works on all platforms |
| 23:46.56 | JeffM2501 | then figure out what to do when asshats flood servers with big audio data messagtes :) |
| 23:47.02 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 23:47.03 | JeffM2501 | yes that codec works |
| 23:47.03 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:47.11 | JeffM2501 | but it dosn't do the sound input |
| 23:47.13 | JeffM2501 | just compression |
| 23:47.23 | Mr_Molez | ah |
| 23:47.34 | JeffM2501 | "record and playback sound using the library or API of your choice" |
| 23:48.01 | JeffM2501 | it's not a bad idea |
| 23:48.06 | JeffM2501 | but that's only part of what you'd need |
| 23:48.12 | JeffM2501 | it's not a drop in and just get voice chat |
| 23:48.47 | JeffM2501 | it would have to tie into your games sound system |
| 23:48.53 | *** join/#bzflag triclops (n=triclops@210-84-59-133.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:48.53 | JeffM2501 | so there will be some level of integration |
| 23:49.01 | JeffM2501 | the only drop in ones would be 3rd party apps |
| 23:49.04 | JeffM2501 | like teamspeak |
| 23:49.19 | Mr_Molez | yeh teamspeak aint really useful :P |
| 23:51.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah I use ventrillo |
| 23:59.57 | Mr_Molez | "Bzflag gets voice chat" people will love it :D |