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| 00:28.56 | ajh60 | hi |
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| 02:18.35 | [NP]Tangent | spldart, you around? |
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| 03:23.41 | [NP]Tangent | hey spldart, I made my doomball flash between red and black |
| 03:23.41 | [NP]Tangent | :D |
| 03:40.46 | spldart | :) |
| 03:41.06 | [NP]Tangent | meh |
| 03:41.09 | [NP]Tangent | I took it back out |
| 03:41.13 | spldart | ? |
| 03:41.16 | [NP]Tangent | it was causing somne weird flashes |
| 03:41.20 | [NP]Tangent | but it was kinda cool |
| 03:41.21 | spldart | oh |
| 03:41.39 | [NP]Tangent | I'm tintint all the fortress stuff |
| 03:41.40 | spldart | Watch invader zim? Make your doomball a deathbee |
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| 16:05.01 | DIVIZIO88 | szasztok vazze |
| 16:05.36 | DIVIZIO88 | mivan megállt a tudomány? |
| 16:07.09 | DIVIZIO88 | megnémultatok vazze? |
| 16:07.23 | DIVIZIO88 | jó van tirpákok |
| 16:08.23 | DIVIZIO88 | neee szórakozzatok mááá!!! |
| 16:08.50 | [dmp] | english please |
| 16:09.36 | DIVIZIO88 | I speak a bit english |
| 16:10.23 | DIVIZIO88 | I'm hungary |
| 16:10.36 | [dmp] | most people here understand english, so you might have better luck using that:) |
| 16:12.23 | DIVIZIO88 | Where are you from dmp? |
| 16:13.13 | [dmp] | DIVIZIO88: denmark |
| 16:13.23 | DIVIZIO88 | okay |
| 16:13.37 | DIVIZIO88 | and how old are you? |
| 16:13.39 | [dmp] | DIVIZIO88: this is mostly for bzflag dev and configuration help - if you're more chatty, #bzchat is better suited :) |
| 16:17.50 | DIVIZIO88 | dmp I teach you hungarian :) |
| 16:18.24 | [dmp] | DIVIZIO88: please dont - my old boss tried to learn me some - i didnt work very well :) |
| 16:19.46 | DIVIZIO88 | okay :) |
| 16:20.23 | DIVIZIO88 | I see |
| 16:23.01 | DIVIZIO88 | how old are you dmp? |
| 16:23.25 | [dmp] | can you join #bzchat? |
| 16:24.06 | DIVIZIO88 | yes |
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| 16:33.48 | DIVIZIO88 | join you my room! |
| 16:33.58 | DIVIZIO88 | my room name is MAGYAR |
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| 16:40.39 | DIVIZIO88 | come you |
| 16:41.10 | DIVIZIO88 | go!go!go! |
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| 16:45.06 | brlcad | DIVIZIO88: enough, only warning |
| 16:47.44 | DIVIZIO88 | I go away |
| 16:47.46 | ruskie | and spamming ppl in priv isn't nice as well |
| 16:48.11 | DIVIZIO88 | I kill the gypsies |
| 16:48.24 | DIVIZIO88 | I'm skinhead |
| 16:49.13 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ... |
| 16:49.47 | ruskie | that would certainly explain your behaviour... but it doesn't make you right... |
| 16:50.05 | DIVIZIO88 | Who go with me? |
| 16:51.21 | DIVIZIO88 | nobody? |
| 16:51.25 | DIVIZIO88 | okay |
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| 16:51.56 | DIVIZIO88 | than good bye |
| 16:52.16 | brlcad | DIVIZIO88: you are exceedingly off-topic |
| 16:53.26 | DIVIZIO88 | SIEG HEIL! |
| 16:53.36 | brlcad | good bye |
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| 18:16.17 | ibot | manu is currently on #bzflag #silvercat ##essy. Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 20h 22m 8s, last said: ':)'. |
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| 19:17.19 | Gnurdux | menotume, pyr0 got login cookies working :P |
| 19:17.45 | Gnurdux | but the way you handle the turning of Forums and stuff red is bad... based on login time... not reallly appropriate for cookies |
| 19:17.54 | Gnurdux | but we count connecting with the cookie as one login |
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| 19:24.09 | SportChick | brlcad: thanks! |
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| 19:30.27 | ibot | jeffm2501 <n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 21h 4m 33s ago, saying: 'it'll be the end of western civilsation!'. |
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| 19:35.44 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Gone for almost two days? It must've been. |
| 19:35.58 | PuMpErNiCkLe | At least Canada went out partying. :) |
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| 19:52.30 | spldart | Query... I've been seeing this more of late. At an opportune moment a tank goes unresponsive (dark grey sphere around it and it circles) for a moment, always a moment it seems when they are about to get shot, and then when they are outside the danger area they become responsive again... It's been unusual to what I'm used to in and that one tank goes UR and at an opportune moment and the rest of the server of tankers is fine. |
| 19:53.52 | blast007 | spldart: it would be easy to artifically create that |
| 19:53.53 | blast007 | many ways |
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| 19:54.32 | spldart | but is it just a happen-chance that I've been seeing a 'seeming' trend lately or is it likey a cheat of some sort ? |
| 19:54.51 | spldart | just curious |
| 19:54.55 | blast007 | hard to say |
| 19:54.58 | spldart | k |
| 19:55.21 | blast007 | you'd have to observe the pattern and determine if it seems too convienent |
| 19:55.54 | spldart | which is what it seems from the last week of play... but I guess I'd need more to rule out statistical probibility |
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| 19:58.56 | spldart | That could be recreated by simply dropping a few milliseconds of packets right as your about to get shot right? |
| 20:00.27 | blast007 | to show as NR you need to drop a couple seconds I think |
| 20:00.34 | spldart | ah |
| 20:00.36 | spldart | intersting |
| 20:00.45 | spldart | that could rule out a couple instances if that's the case |
| 20:01.18 | blast007 | default of 5 seconds |
| 20:01.54 | blast007 | so 5 seconds without getting a player update |
| 20:02.18 | spldart | silvercat.. dude was on one structure next to base and I was on ground between him and base waiting... he jumped to base and I was ligned up... If I were him I would have realized at jump there is no way to avoid getting shot and sure enough 2 of my shots went though his unresponsive sphere... but that's happen like 5 times in the last week on silvercat so I'm a bit confused |
| 20:02.39 | spldart | so it's probably just happenchance lately |
| 20:03.06 | spldart | NM then :) |
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| 20:04.15 | blast007 | did he show as NR on the scoreboard? |
| 20:04.44 | spldart | no.. but wasn't paying close enough attention to be sure |
| 20:05.16 | spldart | he was only nr for the moment necessary to avoid being shot it seemed |
| 20:05.30 | blast007 | could have been paused |
| 20:05.32 | spldart | He was right back shooting right after my shots went through him |
| 20:05.46 | spldart | yeah but pause requires a few secs too |
| 20:05.47 | blast007 | either case should create a line on the message panel as well |
| 20:05.59 | L4m3r | pause can be cheated |
| 20:06.02 | spldart | oh |
| 20:10.40 | spldart | Poop.. may have to reboot :( |
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| 20:38.34 | spldart | oops wrong channel... ok... didn't take long playing silvercat and it happened again.. only one tank went NR... it scrolled the message in the chat box so and so has gone nr.. he was carrying their flag back to their base and did indeed drop the flag where he went nr.. I was lined up and sent a shot his way. hrm... |
| 20:38.41 | spldart | if anyone see's a silvercat dev let him no this might be an issue.. I don't want to mention tank names cuz I could still be smoking crack |
| 20:39.06 | jacques | i doubt it |
| 20:39.22 | jacques | there are tons of cheaters in bzflag, always have been, seems like always will be |
| 20:39.28 | spldart | heh |
| 20:39.36 | jacques | main reason I stopped playing like 5 times |
| 20:40.04 | spldart | woah |
| 20:40.46 | A_Meteorite | hehe... last time the cheaters went around impersonating me I went on a banning spree... ;) |
| 20:40.54 | jacques | I always get addicted, then get tired of the cheaters and go away for like a year |
| 20:41.11 | Mr_Molez | A_Meteorite: kept u on ur toes :P |
| 20:41.15 | jacques | hoping when I return bzflag will be a true client-server architecture |
| 20:41.16 | Mr_Molez | meteorbie :P |
| 20:41.21 | Mr_Molez | meteorbite :P |
| 20:41.55 | Mr_Molez | jacques: prolly will in 5/6 years |
| 20:42.02 | blast007 | if anyone feels like it |
| 20:42.16 | purple_cow | "true client-server architecture" ?? |
| 20:42.20 | purple_cow | it already is |
| 20:42.33 | jacques | I mean where the server does all the game logic |
| 20:42.50 | jacques | if that were true, these cheats would not be possible |
| 20:42.51 | Mr_Molez | how would it know how to deal with lag anyway ? |
| 20:43.08 | Mr_Molez | jacques: they would. just be harder to make |
| 20:43.09 | spldart | ah.. I haven't been around that long |
| 20:43.36 | blast007 | Mr_Molez: the clients would run a simulation of what the server tells them, just like other games |
| 20:44.01 | jacques | yeah, clients don't ge to tell the server game state |
| 20:44.19 | spldart | that would require all the server owners to upgrade cpu power I assume.. esp for busy servers |
| 20:44.21 | jacques | if client gets out of sync with server state, too bad for the client |
| 20:44.38 | jacques | spldart, that's always the reason given - server load |
| 20:44.57 | trepan | the reason given for what? |
| 20:45.01 | Mr_Molez | umm anyone seen duke3d network code ?? that works good with lag i think |
| 20:45.20 | spldart | I would upgrade to allow a virtual 3d game environment to run in logic.. still wouldn't need a fast graphics card |
| 20:45.36 | spldart | I love dulke 3d~! |
| 20:45.37 | jacques | trepan, reason given why all game logic isn't done in server on bzflag |
| 20:45.39 | spldart | oh.. sorry |
| 20:45.42 | purple_cow | jacques: no |
| 20:46.04 | purple_cow | the reason is that it's hard and noone has the time/motivation to do it |
| 20:46.30 | jacques | well, that's a new one |
| 20:46.38 | spldart | Let's all donate a bunch of illegal stimulants to the game dev's :-D |
| 20:46.40 | blast007 | and as stated before, the actual logic is minimal for CPU usage |
| 20:46.51 | jacques | from 2000 to like 2004 is was the server load reason |
| 20:46.57 | blast007 | the majority of the client's time is spent rendering |
| 20:46.59 | purple_cow | jacques: never |
| 20:47.20 | Mr_Molez | was lag reason i believe :P |
| 20:47.35 | spldart | I've never seen bzfs take more than diddly and squat from an old amd k62 500 to handle :) |
| 20:47.36 | purple_cow | maybe that's the reason it was initially done the way it was |
| 20:48.05 | gsnedders | blast007: you see my patch to bzfquery.php? |
| 20:48.05 | trepan | purple_cow: na, twas easier as a relay :) |
| 20:48.19 | blast007 | gsnedders: yeah |
| 20:48.25 | blast007 | I saw it |
| 20:48.28 | blast007 | never did anything with it ;) |
| 20:48.37 | purple_cow | trepan: that too |
| 20:48.39 | gsnedders | blast007: that's what I was getting at :) |
| 20:48.44 | blast007 | hehe |
| 20:51.21 | spldart_makepast | heh |
| 20:51.31 | spldart_makepast | makepasta |
| 20:52.33 | blast007 | spldart - making the past in 5 easy steps |
| 21:05.00 | brlcad | jacques: it may be the reason that players speculate, but that's not been a reason from any of the developers |
| 21:07.23 | jacques | brlcad, it was told to me by developers in this very channel |
| 21:07.49 | jacques | but this is turning into he said he said and not very productive |
| 21:07.58 | trepan | some devs drink too much, ignore those ones ;) |
| 21:08.03 | jacques | lol |
| 21:09.28 | jacques | I guess since I don't have time to be a dev, I should shut up :-) (not being sarcastic) |
| 21:09.41 | jacques | I can definitely understand the time reason |
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| 21:15.55 | brlcad | it's probably been speculated as a reason against it as a downside, but I still doubt it was a "reason" |
| 21:16.06 | brlcad | maybe an "excuse" at best because of the time/motivation :) |
| 21:18.40 | jacques | I'm happy to hear it's not a server load issue, because that means if someone did get the time/motivation, it would be widely deployed |
| 21:23.18 | jacques | back later - must find food |
| 21:23.34 | brlcad | when all the logic is moved server-side, it likely will be a load issue for lots of folks that are used to hosting servers with minimal resources |
| 21:24.10 | brlcad | again, it being a problem for them still isn't the reason why it's not done yet :) |
| 21:24.31 | ruskie | lack of a sane design perhaps? |
| 21:25.37 | brlcad | not really |
| 21:25.54 | brlcad | just a rather different design |
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| 21:29.48 | cosmol | someone play with me on dutchrai's "chillbox" |
| 21:31.08 | cosmol | pretty please? |
| 21:31.25 | ruskie | not behind a GL capable box atm... |
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| 23:25.15 | spldart | ok... It happened yet again... is there any silvercat cops in here? |
| 23:25.26 | brad | sure what's the prob |
| 23:25.49 | spldart | I was bearing down on the dude.. shot was half way there and boom he goes nr... but only for .5 second ... maybe 1 second. |
| 23:26.01 | spldart | pop in and watch game play for a tad please |
| 23:26.04 | brad | am there now |
| 23:26.25 | spldart | Either I'm brainfarting or there is a instant pause cheat client that is popping in once in a while |
| 23:26.32 | spldart | different unregistered names |
| 23:26.56 | spldart | the cheat is so low key cuz otherwise they have to get flags to have super powers |
| 23:27.49 | spldart | they show up in the chat box as nr for just a moment and your shot goes thorugh them then they reappear were they were a second ago but they are the only one that does it and it's only when a shot is immioment |
| 23:27.52 | spldart | It's really subtle |
| 23:28.02 | brad | yeah it must be |
| 23:29.00 | spldart | but 6 times this week and now 3 times today alone... Either I'm losing what little mind I have left or they are using a pause or somesuch to avoid kills |
| 23:29.03 | spldart | dunno |
| 23:29.34 | spldart | instant pause.... not 5 seconds... cuz they are active gameplay till just before they would be killed |
| 23:29.44 | spldart | I'mma jump back in and see |
| 23:29.51 | cosmol | ahh, the "yank out the ethernet cable for a second" cheat |
| 23:30.05 | spldart | I sure seems like it anyway |
| 23:30.13 | spldart | I = It |
| 23:30.59 | brad | yeah it's possible |
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| 23:39.38 | harlin | forgive a rather stupid question if it offends... on the Linux source version of BZFlag, bzfs does come with it, right? |
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| 23:40.57 | blast007 | the source is the same for all operating systems |
| 23:41.19 | blast007 | there is just different package formats |
| 23:41.33 | blast007 | but yes, bzfs will be included when you build the source |
| 23:42.36 | harlin | ok |
| 23:42.50 | harlin | when i ran ./configure, it showed bzflag, bzadmin |
| 23:42.57 | harlin | but not bzfs and started wondering |
| 23:42.58 | blast007 | bzfs is always built |
| 23:43.02 | blast007 | can't disable it |
| 23:43.05 | harlin | ok np |
| 23:43.20 | blast007 | unlike the client and bzadmin, so they show there |
| 23:43.20 | harlin | if a file ends in .cxx, this is a c++ source file? |
| 23:43.24 | blast007 | yup |
| 23:43.35 | blast007 | cxx and cpp are common C++ extensions |
| 23:43.42 | harlin | hmm had no idea |
| 23:43.59 | harlin | i saw .h files in there with the .cxx files and assummed it was like .cpp |
| 23:44.14 | harlin | havent compiled stuff from source in ages |
| 23:44.24 | harlin | having to use CentOS on my laptop instead of Fedora |
| 23:44.34 | harlin | burner's not working :-( |
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