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| 03:53.20 | [NP]Tangent | ~bzfquery nullbzflag.gotdns.com |
| 03:53.26 | [NP]Tangent | weird |
| 03:53.34 | [NP]Tangent | it doesn't show up in the list server |
| 03:54.37 | [NP]Tangent | any ideas why? |
| 03:55.53 | blast007 | verify that the port you specified in the -publicaddr matches the -p port |
| 03:56.00 | [NP]Tangent | it does |
| 03:58.02 | [NP]Tangent | if I use an IP address for -publicaddr it works |
| 03:58.09 | [NP]Tangent | but not if I use the domain |
| 03:59.04 | [NP]Tangent | and yes |
| 03:59.09 | [NP]Tangent | the domain points to the same IP |
| 04:00.59 | blast007 | ~nslookup nullbzflag.gotdns.com |
| 04:01.26 | blast007 | the list server is seeing 216.32.80.156 for that hostname |
| 04:02.00 | [NP]Tangent | hm |
| 04:02.12 | [NP]Tangent | then I'll change the dns |
| 04:03.29 | [NP]Tangent | ~nslookup nullbzflag.gotdns.com |
| 04:03.35 | [NP]Tangent | hm |
| 04:03.40 | [NP]Tangent | I'll give it a couple minutes |
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| 04:15.53 | [NP]Tangent | ~nslookup nullbzflag.gotdns.com |
| 04:16.17 | [NP]Tangent | that's wrong |
| 04:16.19 | [NP]Tangent | I set it to 156 |
| 04:16.53 | [NP]Tangent | of course, both should work |
| 04:16.59 | [NP]Tangent | they both go to the same server |
| 04:17.01 | [NP]Tangent | weird |
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| 04:25.22 | [NP]Tangent | ~nslookup nullbzflag.gotdns.com |
| 04:25.27 | [NP]Tangent | wtf! |
| 04:25.41 | [NP]Tangent | ~nslookup nullbzflag.abacionline.com |
| 04:29.18 | [NP]Tangent | whatever |
| 04:29.23 | [NP]Tangent | piece of crud dns |
| 04:30.01 | [NP]Tangent | ~nslookup nullbzflag.abacionline.com |
| 04:31.47 | [NP]Tangent | heh |
| 04:33.54 | brlcad | dns can take days to propagate |
| 04:34.17 | brlcad | please don't keep checking in the channel, you can query ibot in private |
| 04:34.21 | [NP]Tangent | alright |
| 04:34.26 | [NP]Tangent | I found another way to check |
| 04:34.27 | [NP]Tangent | just now |
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| 06:58.16 | PuMpErNiCkLe | The lameness... it boggles the mind. |
| 07:02.50 | L4m3r | You have no idea. |
| 07:07.25 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Not your kind of lame. The geno camping at base kind of lame. |
| 07:13.56 | L4m3r | ah. |
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| 12:17.04 | ggSh | i got some strange prob, since i use suse linux 10.1 and bzflag 2.0.4: i got a big lag, any ideas to solve ? |
| 12:20.22 | blast007 | big lag as in the game running slow? or do you mean a high value in the /lagstats summary? |
| 12:20.50 | ggSh | both! |
| 12:21.43 | ggSh | the game is not running slow, but -dont know the right word_ it stop short, run, and stops |
| 12:34.15 | blast007 | did you install video drivers? |
| 12:35.46 | ggSh | yes, i do, all test say that the 3d accelaration is ok, except bzflag |
| 12:36.16 | ggSh | sry, no video drivers, but the graphics drivers |
| 12:39.40 | Pimpinella | ggSh: which card? |
| 12:40.05 | ggSh | ati radeon |
| 12:41.07 | Pimpinella | there used to be a problem with radeon cards, but was solved time ago iirc |
| 12:41.23 | Pimpinella | did you make sure you use recent drivers and bzflag version? |
| 12:41.27 | ggSh | i use 2.0.4 |
| 12:41.40 | ggSh | i use bzflag 2.0.4 |
| 12:42.02 | Pimpinella | ok, get 2.0.8 and try again |
| 12:42.15 | ggSh | fine, thx |
| 12:53.37 | Manu | hallo Pimpinella :) |
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| 13:04.18 | AlexandrTheGreat | pimpi..are you there? |
| 13:06.26 | SportChick | ggSh, it sounds like low framerate |
| 13:06.41 | ggSh | to compile 2.0.8 i have to use ./autogen.sh in linux |
| 13:06.51 | ggSh | SportChick: whats low framerate, pls ? |
| 13:07.42 | SportChick | ggSh: when playing the game, press t |
| 13:07.48 | SportChick | then look at the middle of your screen |
| 13:07.55 | SportChick | you'll see a tiny number in white |
| 13:07.57 | SportChick | what is it? |
| 13:09.42 | ggSh | SportChick: one moment... |
| 13:11.20 | ggSh | SportChick: fps:1 |
| 13:12.16 | SportChick | ggSh: ok, I don't know how to FIX it, but that's your problem |
| 13:12.22 | SportChick | your frame rate per second is 1 |
| 13:12.30 | SportChick | most people have fps of well above 20 |
| 13:12.38 | SportChick | even with a slow graphics card |
| 13:12.46 | SportChick | I have fps of about 40-60, on a lappy |
| 13:12.58 | ggSh | SportChick: fine, thx |
| 13:13.35 | ggSh | SportChick: i think, that will help me |
| 13:13.36 | SportChick | you may try adjusting your settings |
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| 13:13.57 | SportChick | go to lower graphics setting etc (through options > gui) |
| 13:14.19 | ggSh | ok ... |
| 13:14.22 | ggSh | i try it |
| 13:17.58 | ggSh | i want to compile 2.0.8 because i cant find a precompiled version for suse 10.1, is this right ? |
| 13:18.32 | ggSh | or is there any precompiled version for 10.1 ? |
| 13:20.00 | SportChick | ggSh: sorry, I'm not a linux girl :) |
| 13:21.05 | ggSh | SportChick: its a pitty |
| 13:21.31 | ggSh | perhaps another linux girl know sth about that ? |
| 13:29.14 | SportChick | ggSh: the key to irc is patience |
| 13:29.23 | SportChick | a LOT of the folks here are still sleeping |
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| 13:33.20 | SportChick | ahhh |
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| 13:41.10 | ggSh | cant compile 2.0.8 |
| 13:52.34 | Pimpinella | ggSh: if you use the tar.gz you won?t need to use autogen.sh |
| 13:52.43 | Pimpinella | AlexandrTheGreat: here |
| 13:53.06 | ggSh | Pimpinella: just done |
| 13:53.22 | ggSh | Pimpinella: i run into a prob with ./configure |
| 13:54.07 | ggSh | Pimpinella: cannot create executables |
| 13:54.36 | Pimpinella | usually it also tells you why |
| 13:55.13 | ggSh | Pimpinella: in the log: |
| 13:55.21 | ggSh | onfigure: failed program was: |
| 13:55.21 | ggSh | | /* confdefs.h. */ |
| 13:56.12 | Pimpinella | did it complain bout any missing dependencies? |
| 13:56.44 | ggSh | Pimpinella: no, nothing said about depencies |
| 13:58.58 | ggSh | /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.0/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or d |
| 13:58.58 | ggSh | irectory |
| 14:06.28 | Pimpinella | ggSh: this means you don?t have a linker installed or configure can?t find it |
| 14:07.06 | ggSh | Pimpinella: which linker should i install? |
| 14:08.32 | Pimpinella | ld, however i have no idea in which package it?s to find i suse, are you sure you have gcc instaled? i?d expect that ld would be automatically installed with it |
| 14:09.00 | ggSh | Pimpinella: gcc is installed ! i am sure |
| 14:09.10 | ggSh | i checked that |
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| 14:10.49 | Pimpinella | try "which ld" |
| 14:11.23 | ggSh | " usr/bin/ld" |
| 14:11.37 | Pimpinella | it?s installed then |
| 14:11.50 | Pimpinella | dunno whats the problem |
| 14:13.06 | ggSh | should i use ./configure without parameter, cause in the info file its sth written about %c |
| 14:14.19 | Pimpinella | ./configure without additional arguments should work |
| 14:14.48 | blast007 | assuming the build system and dependencies are installed |
| 14:15.08 | Pimpinella | blast007: well, it?s complaining about missing ld |
| 14:15.32 | ggSh | in the confige log i find a line: |
| 14:15.52 | ggSh | usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.0/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: crt1.o: |
| 14:16.05 | ggSh | No such file: No such file or d |
| 14:16.05 | ggSh | irectory |
| 14:16.34 | ggSh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.42 | ggSh | checking for C compiler default output file name |
| 14:17.06 | Pimpinella | yes, it assumes ld at a wrong place |
| 14:18.01 | ggSh | 2 line before : |
| 14:18.18 | ggSh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.27 | ggSh | gcc: '-V' option must have argument |
| 14:18.47 | ggSh | is that a problem ? |
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| 14:19.53 | blast007 | Pimpinella: it's missing crt1.o, not ld |
| 14:20.00 | blast007 | seems to be part of glibc |
| 14:21.04 | ggSh | a reinstall of gcc and glibc would help ? |
| 14:21.19 | blast007 | glibc might not even be installed |
| 14:21.46 | blast007 | run this in a terminal: g++ |
| 14:22.01 | blast007 | does it appear to be a valid command? |
| 14:22.12 | blast007 | (should say 'no input files') |
| 14:22.50 | ggSh | command not found, but i deinstall gcc++ just at the moment |
| 14:23.42 | blast007 | k |
| 14:24.46 | ggSh | what means "k" ? |
| 14:24.54 | Gnurdux | it means "ok" |
| 14:25.20 | blast007 | so yeah, install make, the autotools, libtool, gcc, g++, glibc |
| 14:25.43 | blast007 | libtool might be optional if you aren't doing plugins..not sure |
| 14:26.29 | blast007 | and for building BZFlag, you'll want SDL and curl |
| 14:27.55 | ggSh | make automake glibc ist yet installed, i checked it... |
| 14:28.02 | ggSh | same with libtool |
| 14:29.13 | ggSh | gcc i just deinstalled and will install it again |
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| 14:29.49 | ggSh | SDL and curl i will check in one moment |
| 14:29.58 | giggsey | How do I login to a server via bzadmin (I can connect, but it won't let me talk) |
| 14:30.30 | ggSh | SDL is yet installed |
| 14:30.41 | ggSh | same with curl |
| 14:30.58 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: pyr0 is on ##openleague |
| 14:31.27 | ggSh | and voila: a reinstall make things better..., sorry |
| 14:31.54 | giggsey | I enter in my callsign and its password on the bzadmin, but it won't identify |
| 14:32.05 | ggSh | and now i need libcurl |
| 14:33.34 | ggSh | Pimpinella and blast007 sorry and thx a lot... |
| 14:37.39 | ggSh | step by step things will become better |
| 14:41.38 | ggSh | and it makes and makes and so on... |
| 14:42.26 | ggSh | sry for spam... i stop it |
| 14:47.32 | ggSh | make install is finish, how do i start bzflag ? |
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| 14:48.34 | Mr_Molez | bzflag |
| 14:49.16 | brlcad | /sbin/shutdown -h now |
| 14:49.26 | blast007 | heh |
| 14:49.43 | brlcad | heh |
| 14:50.14 | ggSh | and can u tell me in which dir bzflag is? |
| 14:50.33 | brlcad | whatever you configured prefix for |
| 14:50.43 | brlcad | probably /usr/local/bin/bzflag if you didn't change it |
| 14:51.41 | ggSh | in usr/local/bin is only bzadmin and bzfs, thats my prob |
| 14:51.57 | ggSh | i dont configure prefix, sry |
| 14:52.09 | blast007 | when you ./configure'ed it, did it say the client would be built? |
| 14:52.12 | brlcad | then when you ran configure, it disabled bzflag |
| 14:52.30 | brlcad | probably because it couldn't find required opengl developer headers/libs |
| 14:55.27 | ggSh | it said no bzflag client binary! |
| 14:56.08 | ggSh | brlcad: that is the prob ? |
| 14:56.26 | brlcad | lets think about that for a second |
| 14:56.38 | brlcad | it said no bzflag client binary |
| 14:56.44 | brlcad | and you have no bzflag client binary installed |
| 14:56.50 | ggSh | bricad : ok, i understand |
| 14:56.51 | brlcad | so yeah.. |
| 14:56.54 | brlcad | probably the problem |
| 14:57.10 | ggSh | and what can i do, so far ? |
| 14:57.10 | brlcad | :) |
| 15:02.35 | ggSh | bricad: u are right, those that can read ... |
| 15:05.06 | ggSh | i got the message from configure curses : -lncurses ? |
| 15:07.15 | giggsey | To find out where the bzflag binary is, run `which bzflag` |
| 15:07.26 | ggSh | arent there no compiled ready binaries for suse 10.1 and bzflag 2.0.8 ? |
| 15:07.52 | brlcad | not likely yet |
| 15:07.56 | ggSh | giggsey: he dont create binaries, i got some messages after configure |
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| 15:08.06 | ggSh | i got the message from configure curses : -lncurses ? |
| 15:08.10 | ggSh | and |
| 15:08.10 | giggsey | meh |
| 15:08.13 | ggSh | SDL |
| 15:08.16 | brlcad | ggsh, do you know why it disabled bzflag yet? can you paste your config.log file to pastebin.com or something? |
| 15:08.27 | brlcad | ncurses would not disable the client |
| 15:08.52 | brlcad | neither should sdl, though you probably want that |
| 15:09.11 | brlcad | giggsey, the bzadmin man page has the details |
| 15:09.20 | brlcad | as well as bzadmin tells you in the helpl |
| 15:09.35 | ggSh | i try it... |
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| 15:12.16 | giggsey | Firefox can't find the server at www.bzflag.org. |
| 15:12.17 | giggsey | humm |
| 15:12.47 | giggsey | nvm - I went onto another site |
| 15:13.18 | ggSh | pastebin seems to be a bit slow at the moment |
| 15:14.21 | ruskie | use paste.se |
| 15:14.26 | ruskie | pastebin is always slow |
| 15:14.31 | ruskie | something in their code :) |
| 15:15.22 | ggSh | cant u tell me an alternative ? |
| 15:15.39 | ggSh | ok, than i wait ? |
| 15:15.55 | ggSh | ok, paste.se |
| 15:18.57 | ggSh | you need this: http://efa8c99ccb566133.paste.se/ probably !? |
| 15:19.56 | giggsey | I've read the bzadmin man page, and it says nothing about identifing your call mask |
| 15:20.07 | giggsey | It only says stuff about /passwd which afaik does the admin password |
| 15:23.32 | ggSh | bricad i inserted it |
| 15:23.34 | Pimpinella | whats a call mask? |
| 15:24.22 | blast007 | giggsey: bzadmin -help shows you how to specify a password (it will be the global login one) |
| 15:24.29 | Pimpinella | giggsey: global auth? |
| 15:24.46 | Pimpinella | giggsey: callsign:password@server:port |
| 15:25.45 | brlcad | ggsh, i read it -- it can't find the GLU library |
| 15:26.08 | ggSh | bricad : dont understand, sry ? |
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| 15:27.14 | ggSh | bricad: is this a library, that is missed ? |
| 15:28.16 | blast007 | yeah, the GLU library is a library |
| 15:28.27 | ggSh | blast007: thx |
| 15:28.28 | blast007 | ;) |
| 15:29.40 | ggSh | bricad thx very much! |
| 15:29.55 | ggSh | and of course blast007 ! |
| 15:31.43 | ggSh | bricad cant u tell me, where u see, that GLU is missed ? |
| 15:36.12 | giggsey | well, when I used bzadmin in windows |
| 15:36.20 | giggsey | It asks for callsign@host |
| 15:36.26 | giggsey | then it asks for password (optional): |
| 15:36.36 | giggsey | but no matter if I fill in that password field, it won't work |
| 15:40.31 | giggsey | humm, it works now |
| 15:40.35 | giggsey | thanks Pimpinella |
| 15:41.18 | giggsey | Is there a way to change the colour though - reading blue on a black background is hard |
| 15:47.19 | ggSh | bricad and blast : and finally 2.0.8 is compiled |
| 15:47.29 | ggSh | that was the good news |
| 15:47.37 | ggSh | and the bad one |
| 15:47.44 | ggSh | my prob is now worser |
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| 15:49.14 | Skeeve | Do you know that the hompage shows errors? Latest News: |
| 15:49.16 | Skeeve | Warning: mysql_num_rows(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in /home/groups/b/bz/bzflag/htdocs/index.php on line 33 |
| 15:49.18 | Skeeve | No news!?!? |
| 15:49.19 | Skeeve | Warning: mysql_free_result(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in /home/groups/b/bz/bzflag/htdocs/index.php on line 48 |
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| 15:51.12 | ggSh | perhaps that is better now |
| 15:51.21 | ggSh | i have to try... |
| 15:51.32 | ggSh | and thx u are really craks |
| 15:51.40 | Skeeve | The errors? Still there |
| 15:52.02 | ggSh | hope i can come again in here |
| 16:15.32 | Gnurdux | does anyone know about the bzflagp plugin URL api? |
| 16:20.29 | Gnurdux | do I need to remove every URL job that i start? |
| 16:21.30 | Gnurdux | anyone? |
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| 17:24.34 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I like the frame on the quit box, all the menus need those now ;) |
| 17:25.40 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: most of the menus are big enough I didn't worry about them much |
| 17:25.45 | DTRemenak | but I might do that :P |
| 17:25.52 | JeffM2501 | just cus it looks cool |
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| 18:11.16 | ggSh | hi all |
| 18:11.51 | ggSh | i run into the same problem, i got a hight lag, and my fps are low |
| 18:12.19 | ggSh | got suse 10.1 and 2.0.8 |
| 18:20.44 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Decent hardware? Official video card driver? Proper software setup? Nothing else going on in the background? |
| 18:33.36 | *** join/#bzflag Zenix (n=colin@pool-71-126-184-39.washdc.east.verizon.net) |
| 18:33.48 | Zenix | hello? |
| 18:33.53 | Zenix | Anyone here? |
| 18:34.00 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 18:34.01 | Zenix | I'd like to create a server, please |
| 18:34.06 | Gnurdux | Zenix, then host it |
| 18:34.10 | Gnurdux | you dont need to ask |
| 18:34.10 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 18:34.14 | Zenix | Uh...how? |
| 18:34.25 | Gnurdux | Zenix, what OS? |
| 18:34.25 | Zenix | I'm completely confused |
| 18:34.28 | Zenix | Linux |
| 18:34.31 | Zenix | Ubunutu |
| 18:34.39 | Gnurdux | Zenix, apt-get install bzflag-server |
| 18:34.41 | Gnurdux | man bzfs |
| 18:34.48 | Zenix | Ah...anything after? |
| 18:34.49 | DTRemenak | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 18:34.57 | Gnurdux | you can read the man page |
| 18:35.01 | Zenix | Thanks |
| 18:35.01 | Gnurdux | ever heard of documentation? |
| 18:35.13 | Zenix | Well...I'm not much of a command-line person |
| 18:35.26 | Zenix | and I didn't find anything on the main Wiki |
| 18:35.28 | Gnurdux | you can use the gnome man page viewer |
| 18:35.53 | Zenix | Any special instructions for a LAN server, not a public 1? |
| 18:36.09 | DTRemenak | leave -public and -publicaddr out of the config file |
| 18:36.09 | Gnurdux | Zenix, you just dont do -publicaddr |
| 18:36.20 | DTRemenak | everything else is the same |
| 18:36.35 | Zenix | And...How would I and my bro register it on the Server choice menu? |
| 18:36.39 | Gnurdux | Zenix, just start uop gnoem help, then go to command line |
| 18:36.44 | Gnurdux | Zenix, you dont neeed to register |
| 18:36.47 | DTRemenak | make sure it's running on the default port |
| 18:36.48 | Gnurdux | you just do -publicaddr |
| 18:36.50 | Gnurdux | and it shows up |
| 18:36.58 | Zenix | Thanks, again |
| 18:37.10 | DTRemenak | Gnurdux: shut up please. he doesn't use publicaddr if he's not running a public server... |
| 18:37.21 | Gnurdux | then what does he mean by And...How would I and my bro register it on the Server choice menu? |
| 18:37.37 | DTRemenak | Gnurdux: he wants to run a server on the lan and have it show up in the menu on the lan |
| 18:37.43 | Gnurdux | ohh |
| 18:37.57 | Gnurdux | then you just run it on 5154, and it uses broadcast packets and picks it up |
| 18:37.57 | DTRemenak | bzflag has a udp lan discovery protocol that makes it work automatically if it's running on the default port (e.g. don't use -p) |
| 18:39.47 | DTRemenak | also don't use -q, that'll make it not respond to the lan discovery scans |
| 18:45.01 | Zenix | DT, I noticed that you're an author of the the BZFlag server start-up post |
| 18:45.45 | Skeeve | Do you know that the hompage shows errors? |
| 18:46.39 | Zenix | not 4 me, it does |
| 18:48.02 | ToughShooter | trepan: Is there a way to "colour" the hit zone of tanks? |
| 18:48.36 | Skeeve | Oh! It's fixed |
| 18:52.14 | bryjen | heh |
| 18:52.22 | bryjen | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 18:54.04 | bryjen | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 18:57.05 | bryjen | anyone with access to edit the bzflag.org pages: the links for the cvs need to be updated |
| 18:57.17 | DTRemenak | bryjen: you have the power |
| 18:57.41 | DTRemenak | they're in /home/groups/b/bz/bzflag on shell.sf.net |
| 18:57.48 | bryjen | ? |
| 18:59.02 | DTRemenak | bryjen: you're on the developers list, you have write access to the project web directory |
| 18:59.39 | DTRemenak | www.bzflag.org is a cname to bzflag.sourceforge.net |
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| 19:00.37 | bryjen | ok then. i'll have a go at it |
| 19:02.41 | bryjen | hrm. JeffM owns the file, mode 644 :/ |
| 19:03.15 | DTRemenak | hmm...can you change ownership? |
| 19:03.36 | blast007 | jeff probably has to |
| 19:03.49 | DTRemenak | probably, but worth a try. sf has some weird settings |
| 19:04.09 | bryjen | nope, chmod nor chown |
| 19:04.33 | DTRemenak | bryjen: make a copy, delete the original, copy the copy back |
| 19:04.43 | bryjen | crafty |
| 19:04.45 | DTRemenak | then you'll have ownership |
| 19:04.52 | DTRemenak | and set it to 664 ;) |
| 19:05.11 | DTRemenak | group bzflag |
| 19:05.16 | Gnurdux | DTRemenak, are newlines allowed in callsigns? |
| 19:05.33 | blast007 | Gnurdux: take a guess |
| 19:05.42 | Gnurdux | blast007, i would guess not |
| 19:05.47 | blast007 | as would I :) |
| 19:05.49 | Gnurdux | but does the server actually check? |
| 19:06.10 | blast007 | I think it checks for non-displayable chars |
| 19:06.14 | Mr_Molez | does it matter aslong as the client checks ? |
| 19:06.29 | ToughShooter | Of course it matters |
| 19:06.30 | blast007 | Mr_Molez: technically it does |
| 19:06.43 | blast007 | the server should be the one to decide what is valid |
| 19:06.55 | blast007 | the client should say "yes sir" |
| 19:06.56 | krp | ~bzfquery dedi.abusivemonkey.org:5154 |
| 19:07.16 | Mr_Molez | it seems to me bzflag is about the client deciding everything atm ;) |
| 19:07.21 | ToughShooter | Mr_Molez: It is like tanks not exploding when they get hit at an edge but not it mid. Does it matter whether the server should compute that? |
| 19:07.22 | DTRemenak | Gnurdux: only printable characters that are in bzflag's character set are valid |
| 19:07.35 | Gnurdux | DTRemenak, and newline isnt one of those? |
| 19:07.42 | Mr_Molez | ToughShooter: but the server doesnt compute that |
| 19:07.53 | blast007 | Gnurdux: no |
| 19:07.53 | Gnurdux | cool |
| 19:08.01 | Gnurdux | so that can't screw up the stuff |
| 19:08.02 | DTRemenak | Gnurdux: think about it this way. if you can't ban someone with a callsign that has a particular character, then it's not allowed ;) |
| 19:08.13 | DTRemenak | 'cause that's how it's actually decided |
| 19:08.19 | ToughShooter | Mr_Molez: Yeah, but it would matter a lot |
| 19:09.18 | Gnurdux | ahh true |
| 19:09.18 | ToughShooter | You can only use printable chars inside ASCII-space. BZFLag zapps my sweet additional chars away :y |
| 19:09.36 | DTRemenak | yup :) |
| 19:09.42 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: that can be fixed now though |
| 19:09.45 | krp | ~bzfquery dedi.abusivemonkey.org:5154 |
| 19:09.54 | krp | alright sounds like my server is working |
| 19:10.28 | blast007 | ~bzfquery dedi.abusivemonkey.org:5154 |
| 19:10.34 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:10.39 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: Really? I want to trigger the swiss people a bit with my grammar. :)) |
| 19:10.49 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: if someone wants to write up patches for it, I can regenerate the fonts to include additional characters. Just need to set bzflag's over-the-wire character set into a fixed 8-bit space (Latin-1 maybe?), or switch everything to unicode. |
| 19:11.02 | DTRemenak | 2.1 is a good time for that |
| 19:11.10 | DTRemenak | ideally unicode |
| 19:11.25 | ToughShooter | forget unicode above UTF-8 |
| 19:11.49 | DTRemenak | heh, yeah, or a subset of unicode |
| 19:11.52 | ToughShooter | It would be a mess to deal with the wrong bitorder from x86 ;) |
| 19:12.03 | ToughShooter | buggy CPUs |
| 19:12.06 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:12.23 | DTRemenak | we do bitorder decoding automatically, ToughShooter |
| 19:12.32 | DTRemenak | our net code is cross-endian |
| 19:13.13 | krp | blast007: :p |
| 19:13.24 | krp | i got plenty of bandwidth (100mbit) |
| 19:13.30 | krp | could be a good server |
| 19:13.34 | DTRemenak | being able to deal with the rest of unicode would mean we could do korean character sets also (there are korean bz players...) |
| 19:13.48 | DTRemenak | and others potentially |
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| 19:18.28 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: Well, it would be nice to have but..I think cheat protection has a much higher priority (for me at least) |
| 19:19.03 | bryjen | any idea what the "doxygen" link should point to? |
| 19:19.17 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: It'd be EXTREMELY simple to switch to ISO 8859-15 |
| 19:19.41 | DTRemenak | unicode would be harder, but more worthwhile |
| 19:20.03 | DTRemenak | bryjen: afaik nobody is generating doxygen docs regularly |
| 19:20.17 | DTRemenak | probably should set something up for that |
| 19:23.01 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: hardest part of switching to something like Latin-1 or Latin-9 is allowing input |
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| 19:27.17 | Zenix | can someone plz tell me a URL to find a list of BZFlag server configuration? |
| 19:27.33 | Zenix | Codes, really. such as -j or something |
| 19:27.53 | DTRemenak | run bzfs -help and it will give you the list |
| 19:27.55 | DTRemenak | or man bzfs |
| 19:28.17 | Zenix | thanks. just realized that |
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| 20:01.15 | Zenix | Help! I have a serve set up, but when I use, or anyone else, the Wings flag, we can't multi-jump! |
| 20:01.32 | Gnurdux | /set _wingsJumpCount numberOfWingsJumps |
| 20:01.34 | Gnurdux | like: |
| 20:01.35 | Zenix | Does anyone know why? I do have jump (-j) set |
| 20:01.39 | Gnurdux | /set _wingsJumpCount 99 |
| 20:01.41 | Gnurdux | or whatever |
| 20:01.42 | Gnurdux | Zenix |
| 20:01.49 | Zenix | Really? Thanks |
| 20:01.51 | Gnurdux | by default _wingsJumpCount is 1 |
| 20:01.56 | Zenix | Is this set in the conf file? |
| 20:01.59 | Gnurdux | so you can only jump once |
| 20:02.05 | Gnurdux | in the config, its -set, not /set |
| 20:02.12 | Zenix | cool. thanks! |
| 20:02.17 | Gnurdux | so like: -set _wingsJumpCount 2 |
| 20:02.18 | Gnurdux | so like: -set _wingsJumpCount 25 |
| 20:02.52 | Zenix | are the variables listed in the man page? |
| 20:02.57 | Gnurdux | i dont think so |
| 20:03.05 | Gnurdux | they are in the wiki tho |
| 20:03.25 | Zenix | Ah...To many resources, if you ask me. 1 large page would do me fine. |
| 20:04.03 | Gnurdux | Zenix, its all done by volunteers |
| 20:04.11 | Gnurdux | if you wanna combine it, thats awesome |
| 20:04.21 | L4m3r | there's one page with almost all the server vars |
| 20:04.41 | Zenix | Ya. In the wiki |
| 20:04.46 | L4m3r | and any server var can be set in the conf via -set <var> <value> |
| 20:04.54 | Zenix | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/ServerVariables |
| 20:05.00 | Zenix | ^^ URL ^^ |
| 20:05.01 | L4m3r | that's the one |
| 20:05.25 | ruskie | how lame the red team was today... |
| 20:05.25 | Zenix | Would everyone here agree that 1 large page would be helpful? |
| 20:05.50 | Zenix | Or some more FAQs? |
| 20:06.22 | L4m3r | large pages suck. |
| 20:07.32 | Zenix | Well...that's your thing. Just wish there was some type of "server toc" page in the Wiki or somethin' |
| 20:12.43 | Zenix | In game, how would you use a /x command? I've never figured out how... |
| 20:13.01 | L4m3r | you go to chat and enter the command |
| 20:13.12 | Zenix | Sry...but how would I go to chat? |
| 20:13.32 | ruskie | hmm where you the guy with HOW DO I CHAT etc... |
| 20:13.33 | L4m3r | hit n |
| 20:13.35 | ruskie | ? |
| 20:13.46 | ruskie | constantly teamkilling everyone |
| 20:13.52 | Zenix | Hit "n"...isn't that the All User message command? |
| 20:13.58 | L4m3r | yes |
| 20:14.12 | Zenix | So...they're the same? |
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| 20:14.17 | L4m3r | yes. |
| 20:14.32 | Zenix | Oh... |
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| 20:16.25 | ggSh | hi all |
| 20:16.34 | Zenix | Anyone know the name of the man page viewer? |
| 20:16.38 | Zenix | Hey |
| 20:16.56 | L4m3r | I'm pretty sure the program is called man... |
| 20:16.56 | ggSh | after startin bzflag from the console i got a message: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 20:17.23 | Zenix | well...isn't there a GUI for man? Like gMan or somethin? |
| 20:17.27 | ggSh | and my fps are low and my lag is high in bzflag |
| 20:17.38 | Zenix | ggSh - how's your hardware? |
| 20:17.58 | ggSh | Zenix: a ati radon |
| 20:18.10 | L4m3r | ati radeon what? |
| 20:18.20 | Zenix | Hmm...Do you run any other programs? |
| 20:19.29 | ggSh | Zenix: yes and no, what should i say, its linux ... |
| 20:20.11 | Zenix | Oh...hmph. Good answer. What are you running? |
| 20:20.27 | bryjen | DRI missing likely means you're not setup for 3D, hence L4m3r's question so he can point you to the correct driver |
| 20:20.36 | ruskie | man or xman |
| 20:20.43 | Zenix | Thanks |
| 20:21.56 | ggSh | ok, its a problem, what radon exactly, i dont know it exactly... |
| 20:21.57 | Zenix | Drat...xman can't find any man pages |
| 20:22.22 | ggSh | XPRESS 2005974 (PCIE) |
| 20:22.55 | L4m3r | ok, well, if it's PCIe it can't be THAT old |
| 20:23.12 | ggSh | L4m3r: it should be very new |
| 20:23.24 | ruskie | which means it needs the crap binary driver from ati |
| 20:23.44 | Zenix | Yeah... |
| 20:23.45 | ggSh | yes, i think i got them and they are installed |
| 20:23.53 | Zenix | Sure? |
| 20:24.01 | ggSh | Zenix: very sure |
| 20:25.07 | ggSh | Zenix: 3DDiag told me before installation "no 3D" after inst. that it is av |
| 20:25.25 | uso | ggSh: try a lspci and search for the line with a graphics controller |
| 20:25.52 | uso | is it onboard graphics or a separate card? |
| 20:26.10 | Zenix | Probably seperate...with the troubles and all |
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| 20:27.53 | DTRemenak | radeon xpress are onboard |
| 20:28.38 | uso | yes, a crappy one, but you can add a real card, that's why the question |
| 20:29.07 | ruskie | depends if it's a lappy i think :) |
| 20:29.19 | DTRemenak | laptops use radeon mobile |
| 20:29.39 | JeffM2501 | not all of them |
| 20:29.45 | JeffM2501 | some use the xpress 200 |
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| 20:29.50 | JeffM2501 | cus it's low power |
| 20:30.02 | DTRemenak | weak |
| 20:30.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:30.15 | JeffM2501 | alienware has been known to put desktop chips in lapys too |
| 20:30.29 | DTRemenak | aka laproasters |
| 20:30.38 | JeffM2501 | you see the dell that asploded? |
| 20:30.53 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 20:31.02 | JeffM2501 | think it was on /. |
| 20:31.14 | JeffM2501 | dell lapy blew up, on fire, at a confrence in Japan |
| 20:31.15 | ruskie | and on almost any other cha around here :) |
| 20:32.12 | DTRemenak | sweet |
| 20:33.05 | JeffM2501 | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/21/1448207 |
| 20:33.12 | JeffM2501 | even has pictures :) |
| 20:34.17 | ATD_ | I'll bet it was third party batteries |
| 20:34.39 | DTRemenak | sweet |
| 20:34.50 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, when you get a chance would you mind changing your bakadigital.com servers over to a new basedomain? |
| 20:35.27 | DTRemenak | I'm already not using bakadigital domains anymore...you can scrap my entries |
| 20:35.34 | JeffM2501 | oh ok |
| 20:35.36 | JeffM2501 | what you on now? |
| 20:36.19 | DTRemenak | registered swordofkahless.com for a star trek clan that I'm mildly involved in |
| 20:36.25 | DTRemenak | so I've just been using it |
| 20:36.27 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:36.29 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:36.34 | ruskie | O.o |
| 20:36.40 | JeffM2501 | well if you need/want an opencombat.net one, let me know |
| 20:36.45 | DTRemenak | k, will do |
| 20:36.55 | ggSh | uso: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200] |
| 20:36.56 | DTRemenak | ~slap ruskie |
| 20:37.00 | ibot | ACTION slaps ruskie, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:37.08 | JeffM2501 | I think that gets all the bz ones moved over now :) |
| 20:37.10 | ruskie | what for... |
| 20:37.16 | DTRemenak | oh nothing |
| 20:37.33 | DTRemenak | just that look you gave me :P |
| 20:37.53 | ggSh | uso: is that card really crappy ? |
| 20:38.05 | ruskie | DTRemenak, well considering I'm a trekkie :) |
| 20:38.06 | JeffM2501 | it ain't the fastest one |
| 20:38.20 | JeffM2501 | but it shoudl work ok if you have decent drivers. |
| 20:38.22 | DTRemenak | ruskie: ok, I'll take it back then ;) |
| 20:39.00 | uso | ggSh: that's onboard, needs recent drivers from ATI |
| 20:39.15 | ggSh | uso: but i got them... |
| 20:39.16 | JeffM2501 | they can work ok |
| 20:39.28 | JeffM2501 | for ati drivers |
| 20:39.48 | DTRemenak | ruskie: if you play st games, feel free to drop by sometime. forums and teamspeak address are on the website. |
| 20:40.12 | uso | ggSh: but they are not active, otherwise you would have 3D acceleration |
| 20:40.30 | ggSh | uso cant u tell me what to do ? |
| 20:41.12 | uso | install the drivers correctly, should have a description |
| 20:41.46 | ruskie | DTRemenak, well I USED to play... when I didn't care about Free non-Free... now I play online ST sims... |
| 20:42.06 | DTRemenak | ruskie: ahh |
| 20:42.42 | ggSh | uso: thx, i will try it... |
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| 20:44.37 | RPG_ | Is there a way to limit the FPS of BZFlag in Linux? |
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| 20:46.24 | uso | RPG_: switch the energy saver on, in the display options |
| 20:47.09 | ruskie | that's what that does??? |
| 20:47.13 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:47.15 | ruskie | sheesh... |
| 20:47.17 | ruskie | what a name |
| 20:47.19 | JeffM2501 | so it dosn't use as much CPU/GPU |
| 20:47.25 | JeffM2501 | it saves power on laptops |
| 20:47.29 | uso | actual fps limit is a config option, default 30 iirc |
| 20:47.34 | JeffM2501 | 45 IIRC |
| 20:47.40 | RPG_ | i get like 500 on some maps :) definately much more than i need |
| 20:47.40 | uso | oh :) |
| 20:47.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's what that does |
| 20:48.04 | RPG_ | cool thanks |
| 20:48.14 | trepan | uso gets 1 point: { "fpsLimit", "30" |
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| 20:51.17 | ggSh | back again, that 3D problem seemed to be solved, dont got again that message |
| 20:51.36 | JeffM2501 | ahh it used to be 50 |
| 20:51.42 | JeffM2501 | back in the day |
| 20:51.44 | ggSh | but allthough playing bz is quit slow, big lag and low fps rate |
| 20:51.59 | JeffM2501 | what screen res? |
| 20:52.19 | ggSh | 1280x1120 |
| 20:52.27 | JeffM2501 | prety big for a little x200 |
| 20:52.40 | JeffM2501 | you can play with your settings and turn stuff off to see if that helps |
| 20:52.46 | JeffM2501 | but that ain't a fast card |
| 20:52.49 | uso | RPG_: switching vsync on may be another option, works better for me with a nvidia card |
| 20:53.12 | RPG_ | vsync? is that in BZFlag or the xorg.conf ? |
| 20:53.36 | uso | it's a driver option, not bzflag |
| 20:53.45 | ggSh | JeffM2501: sry, was ur answer for me ? |
| 20:53.59 | JeffM2501 | ggSh, yes |
| 20:54.26 | ggSh | JeffM2501: i try to "lower" all settings, that doesnt change anything |
| 20:54.57 | uso | RPG_: i had to set an environment variable for that, before i start bzflag, but i don't remember the name, have no access to the machine at the moment |
| 20:55.26 | JeffM2501 | ggSh, then that just may be as fast as your card can go |
| 20:55.36 | JeffM2501 | it's proibably sharing system ram, and that stuff is slow |
| 20:56.12 | ggSh | JeffM2501: but i cant believe that i would be that slow |
| 20:56.17 | JeffM2501 | how many fps? |
| 20:56.29 | ggSh | JeffM2501: 1 - 5 |
| 20:56.36 | JeffM2501 | how fast of a CPU? |
| 20:56.38 | RPG_ | what map? |
| 20:56.40 | ggSh | JeffM2501: one up to 5, not more |
| 20:56.41 | uso | ggSh: and there may be a resolution limit for DRI, probably not higher than 1280x1024 |
| 20:57.00 | JeffM2501 | oh your running DRI? not the ones from ATI? |
| 20:57.01 | ggSh | JeffM2501: cpu 3000+ |
| 20:57.58 | ggSh | uso: JeffM2501: DRI or Ati ? |
| 20:58.05 | JeffM2501 | drivers |
| 20:58.14 | ggSh | uso: JeffM2501: DRI or Ati ? whats the difference,pls ? |
| 20:58.21 | JeffM2501 | are they from ATI.com |
| 20:58.26 | JeffM2501 | or are they from your linux package system |
| 20:58.39 | JeffM2501 | DRI usualy comes with your package system |
| 20:58.47 | ggSh | JeffM2501: i took the ones from ati |
| 20:58.51 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:59.10 | JeffM2501 | when bzflag starts up does it have a part that says what your openGL driver is? |
| 20:59.15 | uso | ggSh: there is a line OpenGL Driver in the console of bzflag after you start it, what does it say, which driver? |
| 20:59.15 | JeffM2501 | in the chat box |
| 20:59.37 | ggSh | JeffM2501: one moment... |
| 21:00.32 | ggSh | JeffM2501: MESA GLX indirect |
| 21:00.38 | JeffM2501 | your ATI drivers are not installed |
| 21:00.47 | JeffM2501 | you have no hardware 3d |
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| 21:01.09 | JeffM2501 | there should be instructions wiht the ATI drivers you got, make sure they are installed properly |
| 21:01.32 | ggSh | JeffM2501: that i cant understand 3DDiag and yast tells me, that all is ok |
| 21:01.54 | JeffM2501 | if it was all ok, then bzflag would not say mesa indirect |
| 21:01.59 | JeffM2501 | yast probalby says the drivers are there |
| 21:02.04 | ggSh | JeffM2501: and i use the ati installer |
| 21:02.05 | JeffM2501 | but that dosn't mean X is using them |
| 21:02.10 | JeffM2501 | then it didn't work |
| 21:02.18 | JeffM2501 | we can't debug ati drivers, we didn't make them |
| 21:02.20 | ggSh | JeffM2501: ok |
| 21:02.32 | JeffM2501 | untill it says something other then indrect there, it's going to be very very slow |
| 21:03.00 | ggSh | JeffM2501: hm, ok, thx |
| 21:03.31 | JeffM2501 | I wold check your x config file and make sure it's loading what it's suposed to |
| 21:04.08 | ggSh | JeffM2501: any idea, how to examine, what should i try to find in xorg.conf? |
| 21:04.47 | JeffM2501 | well I would expect the driver line would be something that isn't DRI, and mention ATI |
| 21:04.56 | JeffM2501 | I personaly don't use ATI cards for driver reasons |
| 21:05.09 | JeffM2501 | always had trouble with them, under any OS |
| 21:05.27 | JeffM2501 | but the instructions on the ATI installer shoudl have a troubleshooting section that says what to look for |
| 21:05.35 | ggSh | JeffM2501: perhaps i will change that also, what cards are better ? |
| 21:05.40 | JeffM2501 | you may also want to search google to see if anyone has had the same problem. |
| 21:05.47 | JeffM2501 | I prefer the nvidia cards |
| 21:06.04 | ggSh | JeffM2501: my old computer had one, with no probs |
| 21:06.07 | JeffM2501 | for low cost cards I've had very good luck with the 6200 series ( if you need AGP ) |
| 21:06.24 | JeffM2501 | on PCI-E i've run 6600's 6800's and 7800s |
| 21:08.12 | JeffM2501 | but I have heard of people hwo have no problems with the ATI stuff |
| 21:08.22 | JeffM2501 | you shoudl be able to get it to work |
| 21:08.33 | ggSh | JeffM2501: thx very much, first i try to fix it with that card |
| 21:08.35 | JeffM2501 | I can't think that they would ship broken drivers |
| 21:08.53 | ggSh | JeffM2501: now i know whats wrong, and that the first and big step |
| 21:10.41 | bryjen | /etc/X11/xorg.conf Look for a Section "Device" with a line Driver "fglrx" |
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| 21:11.50 | bryjen | if you instead have one Driver with "ati" or "radeon", that's not the ATI one |
| 21:12.11 | JeffM2501 | and once again bryjen comes to my rescue ;) |
| 21:12.18 | uso | ggSh: which Xorg version does sus 10.1 use? 6.8 or 6.9/7.0? |
| 21:12.25 | uso | *suse |
| 21:13.25 | ggSh | uso in xorg.conf its Version 7.1 !? |
| 21:14.24 | uso | are you sure you have the right drivers for that version? i'm not sure if ati already has drivers for Xorg 6.9 and above |
| 21:14.26 | ggSh | bryjen: in xorg.conf section device line Driver "fglrx" exists |
| 21:14.38 | bryjen | Ok |
| 21:15.15 | bryjen | in Section "Module" do you have Load "dri" and Load "glx" ? |
| 21:15.50 | ggSh | bryjen: yes, i have |
| 21:16.19 | ggSh | bryjen: first Load "glx" 3 lines after load "dri" |
| 21:16.19 | bryjen | and a Section "DRI" with Mode 0666 ? |
| 21:16.52 | ggSh | bryjen: no with Mode 0660 ! |
| 21:18.36 | bryjen | is there a group named in that section? |
| 21:19.05 | ggSh | bryjen: Group "video" |
| 21:19.09 | bryjen | ah |
| 21:19.42 | bryjen | if you type id at a shell prompt, does it list video as one of your groups? |
| 21:20.25 | ggSh | bryjen: yes, it does |
| 21:20.40 | bryjen | this all seems correct :( |
| 21:21.09 | ggSh | bry :) ^ :( |
| 21:21.59 | bryjen | does lsmod list the fglrx kernel module loaded? |
| 21:22.23 | uso | ggSh: check your X server log if it can load all the modules correctly, may be somthing like /var/log/xorg.0.log |
| 21:22.57 | ggSh | bryjen: lsmod | grep fglrx i got no answer |
| 21:26.24 | ggSh | uso: in xorg.0.log is said Load Module fglrx |
| 21:27.10 | uso | and the others, dri, glx? any other warnings or errors in the log? |
| 21:27.37 | ggSh | uso: dri is fine... |
| 21:29.01 | ggSh | uso: could be drm a prob ? |
| 21:29.14 | bryjen | you may be missing the kernel module then |
| 21:29.15 | uso | yes |
| 21:29.40 | ggSh | uso: drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 |
| 21:30.03 | ggSh | uso: drmOpenDevice: open result is -1 , (no such device or address) |
| 21:30.07 | uso | try a "modprobe fglrx" as root |
| 21:30.22 | ggSh | uso: drmOpenDevice: open failed |
| 21:30.30 | bryjen | the ATI installer should have built the kernel module. you have to have gcc and the kernel headers (or source) installed first |
| 21:30.33 | uso | and if this gives no error restart the X server |
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| 21:31.51 | ggSh | uso hm, modprobe fglrx as root said: Module fglrx not found |
| 21:31.57 | uso | i'm afraid you have not the matching ATI drivers for your Xorg version |
| 21:32.16 | ggSh | uso: oh no |
| 21:32.21 | blast007 | he didn't have a working build system earlier, as we tried building BZ |
| 21:32.28 | uso | last time i chacked (a few weeks ago) ATI did not have drivers for Xorg 7 |
| 21:32.39 | bryjen | uso: he is missing the kernel module |
| 21:32.41 | blast007 | we got that resolved, so installing the ATI drivers again might build the module |
| 21:33.58 | ggSh | ok, what can i do: first deinstall and than check for drivers for 7 |
| 21:34.31 | blast007 | ggSh: the problem is probably that the kernel module didn't build, because your GCC/G++ wasn't working earlier |
| 21:35.02 | ggSh | blast007: sry, but it seems that i dont understand... |
| 21:35.47 | ggSh | blast007: u mean: when i install the drivers no gcc/g++ was working/available ? |
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| 21:36.15 | blast007 | yeah |
| 21:36.23 | bryjen | yes, and the install program needed them to build part of the driver |
| 21:36.23 | blast007 | we had to fix stuff to get bzflag to build |
| 21:36.39 | blast007 | so likely the same problem occured during the kernel module building |
| 21:37.47 | ggSh | blast007: for me, that means that i have to reinstall the ati driver ? |
| 21:39.30 | blast007 | yup, worth a shot |
| 21:39.47 | ggSh | blast007: should i deinstall anything ? |
| 21:39.56 | ggSh | blast007: should i deinstall anything before that shot ? |
| 21:42.24 | blast007 | I use Windows for playing :) |
| 21:42.49 | ggSh | blast007: perhaps that would be an alternative... |
| 21:43.09 | blast007 | heh |
| 21:43.12 | ggSh | blast007: but to easy i need these thrills |
| 21:43.28 | blast007 | probably can install right over top of it |
| 21:43.34 | blast007 | I did that with an nVidia install anyway |
| 21:43.46 | ggSh | blast007: it is ati... |
| 21:43.59 | blast007 | yeah, never had an ATI |
| 21:43.59 | blast007 | never wanted one |
| 21:44.11 | ggSh | blast007: me too |
| 21:49.32 | ggSh | i was told by ati to reboot ... |
| 21:49.46 | ggSh | ok, let dont and say we did |
| 21:50.14 | ggSh | no, i get fear... |
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| 21:54.03 | A-Delusion | suddenly can't identify on any servers |
| 21:58.52 | Zenix | Can someone help me...again... How can you reduce the amount of time it takes for a bad flag to wear off, or something? It is possible to get rid of at all? |
| 21:59.16 | Zenix | *Get rid of the bad flag |
| 22:00.41 | DTRemenak | see -st, -sw options |
| 22:00.47 | Zenix | Thnks |
| 22:01.08 | DTRemenak | to disable bad flags use "-f bad" |
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| 22:28.01 | Death_Barrel | ~seen jomojo |
| 22:28.14 | ibot | jomojo is currently on #bzflag (2d 21h 30m 1s) ##ducleague (2d 21h 30m 1s) #dub (2d 21h 30m 1s) #silvercat (2d 21h 30m 1s) #guleague (2d 21h 30m 1s) ##essy (2d 21h 30m 1s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 2d 21h 12m 48s, last said: 'hiya sporty spice'. |
| 22:28.14 | Zenix | Is there a gui way to create a map? |
| 22:28.33 | Death_Barrel | ~whois jomojo |
| 22:28.58 | Zenix | Is there a gui way to create a map? |
| 22:29.15 | A-Delusion | yes, there are several |
| 22:29.21 | Zenix | Can you give a few? |
| 22:29.42 | A-Delusion | bzedit is old.. |
| 22:29.53 | Zenix | A newer version is out? |
| 22:29.55 | A-Delusion | ibzedit for macintosh |
| 22:30.05 | Zenix | Linux, plz |
| 22:30.05 | A-Delusion | most people use blender |
| 22:30.09 | Zenix | Blender? |
| 22:30.12 | Zenix | Really? |
| 22:30.16 | A-Delusion | then transfer to .bzw |
| 22:30.21 | Zenix | Through a script? |
| 22:30.37 | A-Delusion | there's a tool for making blender files into .bzw |
| 22:31.13 | Zenix | Where? And do you recommend any tuts on Blender? I'm an absolute n00b when it comes to 3D graphics |
| 22:31.26 | A-Delusion | I map using text editor |
| 22:31.59 | Zenix | Ah... |
| 22:32.45 | JeffM2501 | i's not a tool, it's a plugin that lets blender save out to bzw |
| 22:33.38 | Zenix | Oh. Is there any non-text-editor way, using a BZFlags-only program? |
| 22:33.56 | A-Delusion | not for linux |
| 22:34.06 | Zenix | Oh? Which OS? |
| 22:34.10 | JeffM2501 | there is bzfed |
| 22:34.11 | JeffM2501 | for linux |
| 22:34.14 | JeffM2501 | but we didn't make it |
| 22:34.24 | JeffM2501 | it only supports the 1.x features |
| 22:34.30 | Zenix | yeah... |
| 22:34.33 | JeffM2501 | not the new 2.0+ stuff |
| 22:34.43 | JeffM2501 | there is no graphical editor other then blender for the new stuff. |
| 22:34.59 | Zenix | Really! Drat...Thanks. Recommend any tuts? |
| 22:35.04 | JeffM2501 | google |
| 22:35.18 | Zenix | The best tut out there... ;) |
| 22:36.28 | Zenix | What is the name of the Blender->.bzw plugin? |
| 22:36.36 | JeffM2501 | it's on the froums |
| 22:36.39 | JeffM2501 | under map editors |
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