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| 00:13.36 | mneh | Does anybody here use bzedit to make maps? |
| 00:14.05 | mneh | I'm having difficulty understanding links |
| 00:18.09 | A_Meteorite | Does anyone know what source file contains checks for a person's callsign? |
| 00:18.12 | A_Meteorite | Or a function? |
| 00:18.29 | A_Meteorite | DTRemenak? :) |
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| 00:21.12 | A_Meteorite | Ahh, I found it never mind (bzfx.cxx:2230) |
| 00:27.16 | mneh | what does flip z mean when creating a teleporter with bzedit |
| 00:28.35 | trepan | nothing |
| 00:28.47 | mneh | really? |
| 00:28.59 | mneh | what was it meant to mean? |
| 00:30.11 | trepan | nothing |
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| 00:31.50 | mneh | Whenever I create a teleporter the gray part appears to be outside the border |
| 00:32.01 | mneh | do you know the cause of this? |
| 00:33.27 | trepan | http://www.bzflag.org/bzedit/tutorialD.gif |
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| 00:38.22 | mneh | okay, I think I got it now |
| 00:40.28 | mneh | what about links |
| 00:41.29 | trepan | ya, what about them |
| 00:43.53 | mneh | if I want a tank to enter teleporter A and exit B like |
| 00:43.54 | mneh | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.54 | mneh | ___ B |
| 00:43.54 | mneh | ^ |
| 00:43.54 | mneh | | |
| 00:43.58 | mneh | ___ A |
| 00:44.00 | mneh | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.06 | mneh | X's are the tank |
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| 00:45.49 | mneh | would I put from back (y-) to front (y+) |
| 00:46.04 | trepan | sry, i don't use bzeditw32, read http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5.in if you want to type them in |
| 00:48.06 | mneh | what part of the map is considered front, and which is back |
| 00:48.43 | TD-Linux | in bzedit, it's the front of the teleporter, not the front of the map |
| 00:48.59 | TD-Linux | at least I thought |
| 00:49.33 | mneh | how can you tell which is considered the front? |
| 00:51.00 | blast007 | mneh: by making a simple map and testing it |
| 00:51.09 | mneh | okay. |
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| 00:51.35 | mneh | that is starting to sound a lot easier than trying to descibe the situation |
| 00:51.46 | mneh | I'll let you know how it turns out |
| 00:53.15 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:53.22 | mneh | oh, do I nned to make a link from A to B then back from B to A, or is it all handled in the same link? |
| 00:54.02 | trepan | no, links are unidirectional |
| 00:54.34 | mneh | got it |
| 00:54.36 | mneh | thanks |
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| 00:57.33 | mneh | so it takes 4 links to make a teleporter able to be used from both sides and back from the opposite teleporter |
| 01:02.42 | mneh | yep, 4 links |
| 01:02.47 | mneh | wow! |
| 01:03.09 | mneh | no wonder there aren't a lot of teleporters on the maps online |
| 01:03.51 | mneh | Okay, I got the teleporters working |
| 01:04.45 | mneh | the entrence point is marked as the edge it's closest to |
| 01:05.35 | mneh | so if your entering the side that is closer to -y |
| 01:06.11 | mneh | then you would put back (y-) when setting up that end of the teleporter |
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| 01:14.01 | mneh | Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 01:22.39 | I_Died_Once | whats a good map thats not being hosted, but should? |
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| 01:23.24 | a-delusion | river by jpa |
| 01:23.40 | I_Died_Once | wheres a link to it? |
| 01:23.47 | a-delusion | i have it. |
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| 01:24.39 | I_Died_Once | I went to host the new sand blaster, got it all ready, then saw someone else was hosting it |
| 01:28.45 | a-delusion | map and conf sent via email. |
| 01:29.22 | a-delusion | jump is the critical _set on that map, so you jump from the center to the base. |
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| 03:17.13 | A_Meteorite | Anyone ever use TextUtils::url_encode()? Or any examples? |
| 03:17.32 | A_Meteorite | I'm probably making some n00by C++ mistake. :) |
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| 04:12.38 | A_Meteorite | Anyone ever use TextUtils::url_encode()? Or any examples? |
| 04:12.39 | A_Meteorite | I'm probably making some n00by C++ mistake. :) |
| 04:15.41 | lan56 | I know how it works, I could offer some help. I missed everything before the above two msgs of yours, so if I missed too much ignore this msg, but I'll help you. |
| 04:17.19 | blast007 | that's actually all he asked.. |
| 04:17.42 | A_Meteorite | reportData is a std::string |
| 04:17.43 | lan56 | oh, ok then tell me your troubles, my son :) |
| 04:17.48 | A_Meteorite | reportData += TextUtils::url_encode(data->callsign).c_str(); |
| 04:17.55 | A_Meteorite | mind you, I imported TextUtils.h |
| 04:17.58 | A_Meteorite | here's what I get |
| 04:18.02 | lan56 | included |
| 04:18.05 | lan56 | included textutils.h |
| 04:18.06 | A_Meteorite | playerlist.cpp:122: error: invalid initialization of reference of type 'const std::string&' from expression of type 'bzApiString' |
| 04:18.09 | A_Meteorite | ../../include/TextUtils.h:350: error: in passing argument 1 of 'std::string TextUtils::url_encode(const std::string&)' |
| 04:18.12 | A_Meteorite | yeah |
| 04:18.56 | A_Meteorite | Which that makes absolutely no sense |
| 04:19.34 | A_Meteorite | lan56: Ideas on how to fix? |
| 04:19.53 | A_Meteorite | I just want to url_encode the callsign and add that to reportData which is std::string |
| 04:20.02 | A_Meteorite | (brb) |
| 04:20.03 | lan56 | well, so far what I can say is that if reportData is a std::string, there is no need for the .c_str() as url_encode() returns an std::string |
| 04:20.04 | lan56 | k |
| 04:20.25 | A_Meteorite | back |
| 04:20.26 | A_Meteorite | ok |
| 04:20.29 | A_Meteorite | trying without |
| 04:20.34 | lan56 | what data type is data->callsign? |
| 04:20.39 | lan56 | well it probably won't fix it |
| 04:20.43 | lan56 | just something I noticed |
| 04:20.57 | A_Meteorite | playerlist.cpp:122: error: invalid initialization of reference of type 'const std::string&' from expression of type 'bzApiString' |
| 04:21.00 | A_Meteorite | ../../include/TextUtils.h:350: error: in passing argument 1 of 'std::string TextUtils::url_encode(const std::string&)' |
| 04:21.11 | A_Meteorite | it's a bzApiString |
| 04:21.38 | A_Meteorite | Normally, I would use data->callsign.c_str() but I need to url_encode it now |
| 04:21.48 | A_Meteorite | (and that worked) |
| 04:22.17 | lan56 | one sec |
| 04:22.23 | A_Meteorite | OH! |
| 04:22.28 | blast007 | A_Meteorite: store the callsign in a new std::string, and pass that to url_encode |
| 04:22.33 | A_Meteorite | reportData += TextUtils::url_encode(data->callsign.c_str()); |
| 04:22.36 | A_Meteorite | that compiles |
| 04:22.46 | A_Meteorite | w00t |
| 04:24.08 | A_Meteorite | It works. Yay! |
| 04:24.23 | blast007 | cool |
| 04:24.30 | lan56 | gj |
| 04:24.55 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 04:25.23 | A_Meteorite | That's quite a big step for me considering there aren't many examples. ;) |
| 04:25.42 | lan56 | the source is the example |
| 04:25.43 | lan56 | :) |
| 04:26.07 | A_Meteorite | hehe, and I've never taken C++ as a course or anything... I've only done basic stuff. ;) |
| 04:26.15 | blast007 | yeah, url_encode is used for other things too, like sending the username/password to the list server |
| 04:26.37 | A_Meteorite | I see why... now I can keep my seperators, blast007. |
| 04:26.43 | lan56 | all in all, if you've ever used search engines you are familiar with its effects |
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| 08:52.27 | Mr_Molez | <font size=4><font color=grey>Looking for a <a href="http://bzstats.strayer.de/leagues/ol"><font color="red">MATCH?<font color=grey><a> Click <a href="http://bzstats.strayer.de/leagues/ol"><font color="red">HERE</a><font color=grey> to find your team-mates or players from other teams |
| 08:52.33 | Mr_Molez | <td align=center"> |
| 08:52.36 | Mr_Molez | uhhh |
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| 10:28.08 | Kit||Dwaggie | w00t all |
| 10:39.25 | Mr_Molez | uh, w00t |
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| 13:18.08 | ibot | biya <n=chatzill@dialup-4.129.80.253.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 237d 10h 15m 5s ago, saying: 'Yay'. |
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| 15:32.05 | Skeeve | I want to register my callsign for bzflag. What do I have to do? Register for the forum? |
| 15:33.09 | gsnedders | Skeeve: yeah. just register at the forum. |
| 15:33.37 | Skeeve | Thanks... I tried but still no mail... I'll go and check my spam folder... |
| 15:33.46 | a-delusion | then put the same name and password into the client |
| 15:34.32 | Skeeve | nada... No mail yet |
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| 15:35.22 | a-delusion | you may have entered it wrong. |
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| 15:48.34 | BearPerson | Manu, might need to restart viper |
| 15:48.49 | Manu | what's the problem? |
| 15:49.01 | BearPerson | error connecting to server after "server forced a disconnect" |
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| 16:09.42 | uso | shouldn't only commands which require arguments end with a space in the DefaultCompleter? |
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| 16:14.22 | uso | if you enter a command with a trailing space but no argument the value will be set to 0, feature or bug? :) |
| 16:15.24 | Manu | gsnedders: thanks :) |
| 16:16.27 | uso | oh, happy birthday Manu! |
| 16:16.48 | Manu | :) |
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| 16:44.37 | PuMpErNiCkEl | Happy Birthday, Manu :o |
| 16:46.03 | DTRemenak | ~hapbir Manu |
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| 17:17.44 | PuMpErNiCkEl | ~beer Manu |
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| 17:32.55 | Elspuddy_ | happy birthday Manu! |
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| 17:46.24 | Manu | thanks to all :) |
| 17:47.10 | Manu | uso, PuMpErNiCkEl DTRemenak Elspuddy_ thanks |
| 17:49.31 | uso | is there an option to get rid of the black radar in 2.0.8 if a menu is active? |
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| 18:04.12 | a-delusion | starting another argument l4m3r? |
| 18:04.33 | a-delusion | binary has said he thinks the boxywat map is crap |
| 18:06.01 | a-delusion | oh darn, wrong channel |
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| 18:17.06 | Gnurdux | hi A_Meteorite |
| 18:17.19 | A_Meteorite | hey |
| 18:17.38 | Gnurdux | its almost summer and I need a programming project |
| 18:17.58 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 18:18.02 | A_Meteorite | I'm in need ;) |
| 18:21.27 | Gnurdux | your in need meaning what A_Meteorite ? |
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| 18:21.43 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, of what are you in need? |
| 18:21.46 | A_Meteorite | for my little programming project... |
| 18:21.48 | A_Meteorite | :P |
| 18:21.55 | _sussi | bzflag is not in debian/testing |
| 18:23.51 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, whats your programming projecyt |
| 18:23.56 | Gnurdux | _sussi, yea they took it out |
| 18:24.00 | Gnurdux | because of the ubgs in 2.0.6 |
| 18:24.07 | A_Meteorite | bbs, I can answer it then (in gu match) |
| 18:24.08 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 18:24.14 | Gnurdux | and because 2.0.8 doesn't compile on some archictectures |
| 18:24.38 | _sussi | ah, i was yesterday trieing to install bz |
| 18:25.00 | Gnurdux | get it from unstable |
| 18:25.06 | _sussi | k |
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| 18:58.18 | A_Meteorite | Gnurdux: bzfx |
| 18:58.28 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, thats not a programming project |
| 18:58.33 | A_Meteorite | yes, it is |
| 18:58.38 | Gnurdux | how is it? |
| 18:58.45 | Gnurdux | and your not even using my MOTD plugin |
| 18:58.58 | A_Meteorite | Gnurdux: because I do not have the "infrastructure" yet |
| 18:59.10 | A_Meteorite | I need to make myself a php script to start/stop/restart servers |
| 18:59.15 | A_Meteorite | because I suck at bash |
| 18:59.18 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 18:59.25 | A_Meteorite | sort of what thumper has in python |
| 18:59.27 | Gnurdux | i don't do web programming really |
| 18:59.30 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 18:59.41 | Gnurdux | plugins or that sort of thing i can do |
| 18:59.46 | A_Meteorite | also, it involves a lot of web stuff :P |
| 18:59.48 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 19:00.08 | Gnurdux | i wish the python plugin was maintained |
| 19:00.18 | JeffM2501 | so maintain it |
| 19:00.22 | A_Meteorite | I don't know one ounce of python |
| 19:00.57 | Gnurdux | its not too hard A_Meteorite, but you hsould learn Ruby, its got better and easier syntax and is even more object-oriented |
| 19:01.24 | A_Meteorite | I can't seem to grasp the concept of OO |
| 19:01.31 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, what do you despise about it? isnt it cool to be able to: x = -5 |
| 19:01.33 | JeffM2501 | then you arn't going to be able to use many future languages |
| 19:01.37 | Gnurdux | puts x.abs |
| 19:01.47 | Gnurdux | and it outputs "5" |
| 19:01.54 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: C isn't OO, C++ is... |
| 19:02.04 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, yes |
| 19:02.06 | JeffM2501 | you can do OO C |
| 19:02.08 | Gnurdux | get a C++ book |
| 19:02.10 | JeffM2501 | its just hard :) |
| 19:02.16 | A_Meteorite | uh |
| 19:02.21 | Gnurdux | well C++ has OO built into the syntax |
| 19:02.27 | A_Meteorite | then that's why I've never done it |
| 19:02.27 | Gnurdux | in C you have to implement it yourself |
| 19:02.29 | JeffM2501 | yes it makes it easyer |
| 19:02.41 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, most modern languages have an OO component |
| 19:02.47 | JeffM2501 | it realy does make sense for many things |
| 19:02.48 | JeffM2501 | not all |
| 19:02.50 | JeffM2501 | but many |
| 19:02.51 | A_Meteorite | I would use OO if I had a good book. Our library sucks... the latest computer book is Netscape 3 |
| 19:03.01 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, BUY ONE from Amazon |
| 19:03.05 | A_Meteorite | lol :P |
| 19:03.06 | JeffM2501 | just use the internet |
| 19:03.16 | A_Meteorite | any good recommendations then? |
| 19:03.21 | Gnurdux | im sure you can shell out 30 bucks |
| 19:03.22 | A_Meteorite | like a certain publisher? |
| 19:03.24 | Gnurdux | not really |
| 19:03.28 | Gnurdux | but also read: |
| 19:03.42 | Gnurdux | http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ |
| 19:03.50 | A_Meteorite | then again, I'm sure a C++ course in school wouldn't be that bad either |
| 19:03.50 | Gnurdux | i know that my C++ book sucked :P |
| 19:03.57 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, i'm not |
| 19:04.11 | A_Meteorite | not what? |
| 19:04.12 | Gnurdux | high school programming courses aren |
| 19:04.17 | Gnurdux | 't that great |
| 19:04.24 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 19:04.26 | Gnurdux | and does your high school even have C++? |
| 19:04.47 | A_Meteorite | not sure, I'm going to public school next year |
| 19:04.50 | Gnurdux | i'm going to one with a math/science/computer program next year, and they only have Java |
| 19:04.52 | A_Meteorite | I'm homeschooled now.. |
| 19:05.06 | A_Meteorite | Java has it's purposes :) |
| 19:05.10 | Gnurdux | and its OO |
| 19:05.13 | A_Meteorite | yes |
| 19:05.19 | Gnurdux | i just personally dislike it |
| 19:05.51 | A_Meteorite | "C++ for Dummies" I wonder how good that really can be |
| 19:05.55 | Gnurdux | but if you learn Java, C++ will be a piece of cake |
| 19:05.58 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, terrible |
| 19:05.59 | JeffM2501 | go to real school and take some programing classes |
| 19:06.04 | Gnurdux | thats the one i bought a few years ago |
| 19:06.08 | A_Meteorite | College classes :D |
| 19:06.21 | JeffM2501 | it's better if you start them in high school |
| 19:06.42 | A_Meteorite | so my high school isn't a real school if I don't know the electives? |
| 19:06.44 | A_Meteorite | :P |
| 19:06.48 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, high school programming classes have gotten way dumbed down from what I've heard |
| 19:07.02 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, you can't generalise for an entire planet |
| 19:07.08 | Gnurdux | true |
| 19:07.10 | JeffM2501 | it depends on what one you take |
| 19:07.19 | Gnurdux | and what school you go to |
| 19:07.36 | JeffM2501 | and a dumbed down class is better then NO class |
| 19:07.59 | Gnurdux | a good book is better than a dumbed down class though |
| 19:08.10 | A_Meteorite | lol, I can see an argument coming... |
| 19:08.13 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 19:08.24 | JeffM2501 | a book dosn't have the same interactiveness as a class |
| 19:08.29 | JeffM2501 | sometimes you need a person that knows |
| 19:08.35 | JeffM2501 | and well structured asignments |
| 19:08.39 | Gnurdux | sometimes the teacher doesn't know |
| 19:08.54 | JeffM2501 | the teacher will at least know the coursework |
| 19:09.02 | JeffM2501 | they may not know what YOU want them to know |
| 19:09.04 | Gnurdux | one would hope so anyway |
| 19:09.17 | JeffM2501 | but if you don't have any clue about OO, then the course will give you the basics |
| 19:09.25 | JeffM2501 | and give you what you need to use that book |
| 19:09.34 | Gnurdux | my computer sciewnce teacher used to teach C++ at a community college, and she's a moron |
| 19:09.45 | Gnurdux | she doesn't know what streams are also |
| 19:09.50 | JeffM2501 | just because you don't like to listen in class dosn't mean that others can't learn |
| 19:09.57 | A_Meteorite | I can get around modifying OO-based programs... but I really can't design my own cause I don't got the concept |
| 19:10.34 | JeffM2501 | wow Gnurdux are you this nice to all adults? |
| 19:10.41 | Gnurdux | hehee |
| 19:10.44 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure the course was just not what you personaly expected |
| 19:10.51 | JeffM2501 | and you wanted more out of it |
| 19:11.03 | JeffM2501 | so you took the asshat path and just decided to blow it off and call her names |
| 19:11.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah your gonna do REAL well in the real world |
| 19:11.17 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, its not a real course. |
| 19:11.30 | JeffM2501 | sure it is, it's just not the course you wanted |
| 19:11.38 | Gnurdux | its part of this program thing |
| 19:11.43 | Gnurdux | and im still in middle school |
| 19:11.49 | JeffM2501 | you mean a "course" in the program |
| 19:11.52 | Gnurdux | but its in BASIC for one thing |
| 19:11.57 | JeffM2501 | see |
| 19:12.01 | JeffM2501 | so it wasn't what you expected |
| 19:12.06 | JeffM2501 | take it for what it is |
| 19:12.09 | Gnurdux | no, it WAS what I expected |
| 19:12.10 | JeffM2501 | not what you think it should be |
| 19:12.14 | Gnurdux | not what I wanted |
| 19:12.18 | Gnurdux | theres a difference |
| 19:12.32 | JeffM2501 | that's still no reason to call people you don't know morons |
| 19:12.38 | JeffM2501 | or say that all classes are stupid |
| 19:13.08 | JeffM2501 | never push people away from learning |
| 19:13.13 | JeffM2501 | that is the path of darkness |
| 19:13.27 | A_Meteorite | learning == key to life |
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| 19:19.09 | PuMpErNiCkEl | learning == painful |
| 19:19.41 | JeffM2501 | only if you fight it |
| 19:19.45 | cosmos | thats why teachers should be able to use belts on students again. no respect these days |
| 19:19.47 | PuMpErNiCkEl | no, even then |
| 19:20.03 | PuMpErNiCkEl | For example, yesterday I learned why some rollerblades have brakes on them. :-) |
| 19:20.14 | JeffM2501 | it's just that you all are being forced to learn stuff when you'd rather be off doing things |
| 19:20.22 | JeffM2501 | later you will look back and go "oh.. it makes sense" |
| 19:20.39 | JeffM2501 | after you get that whole "how to be an adult" thing down |
| 19:21.12 | A_Meteorite | one day we'll all be adults and there will be no more bzflag |
| 19:21.15 | A_Meteorite | *pouts* |
| 19:21.19 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 19:21.36 | A_Meteorite | well, everything dies off sometime... unless you plan to hand bzflag down ;) |
| 19:21.38 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not maintained by children |
| 19:21.46 | A_Meteorite | many players are |
| 19:21.47 | JeffM2501 | it was handed down once |
| 19:21.48 | A_Meteorite | including me |
| 19:21.55 | JeffM2501 | many arn't |
| 19:22.32 | JeffM2501 | at some point Tim would not want to do it anymore and he would just hand it down to the next viable candidate |
| 19:22.39 | JeffM2501 | if not, somone could just take the code and keep it going anyway |
| 19:23.07 | JeffM2501 | I don't see it dying of the maintainer stoping work on it |
| 19:23.16 | JeffM2501 | I mean the maintainer dosn't realy work on it now ;) |
| 19:23.23 | A_Meteorite | heh, he just supervises |
| 19:23.44 | A_Meteorite | by then, it'll be crazy... |
| 19:23.51 | A_Meteorite | probably re-done dozens of times... |
| 19:23.56 | A_Meteorite | O_o |
| 19:24.04 | JeffM2501 | doubtfull |
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| 19:24.29 | JeffM2501 | if somone redoes it, it'll be a new game and just take all the people away to that new comunity |
| 19:25.36 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, bzflag has some legacy stuff; it would be better to start a new game with some of the same features than to rewrite "bzflag" |
| 19:25.52 | A_Meteorite | heh, I could imagine if OpenGL wasn't around in 20 yeares |
| 19:26.03 | A_Meteorite | then it would be forced to be re-written |
| 19:26.18 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, "some" |
| 19:26.19 | JeffM2501 | HA |
| 19:26.37 | Gnurdux | hehee |
| 19:26.43 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, in 20 years the 2d display will not be around ;) |
| 19:26.53 | A_Meteorite | yay! :D |
| 19:27.19 | PuMpErNiCkEl | In 20 years, you will be one with the Matrix. |
| 19:27.39 | JeffM2501 | I'll be living in space |
| 19:28.24 | A_Meteorite | hmmm... transporting Internet to settlements on other planets is going to be something... |
| 19:28.38 | A_Meteorite | even at the speed of light that will take forever |
| 19:28.41 | JeffM2501 | they will have there own nets |
| 19:28.45 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 19:28.46 | JeffM2501 | and you sync when you can |
| 19:29.09 | A_Meteorite | unless there is something faster than light that no one knows of... :D |
| 19:29.15 | JeffM2501 | scifi authors have this all figured out man. it's no big deal |
| 19:29.31 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, if we can't go faster then that, then we won't be on other planets in 20 years ;) |
| 19:29.45 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 19:33.58 | PuMpErNiCkEl | hmm... I wonder what it would take to have constant communications coverage between, say, Earth and Mars |
| 19:34.20 | L4m3r | a really, really, REALLY long cable :D |
| 19:34.57 | PuMpErNiCkEl | XD |
| 19:34.59 | Gnurdux | PuMpErNiCkEl, some form of electromagnetic radiation, most liekly radio/microwaves |
| 19:35.31 | PuMpErNiCkEl | Gnurdux: Yeah, but you'd need a mirror satellite for when the Sun is in between, and the orbit for that would be kinda not simple, I think. |
| 19:35.45 | Gnurdux | hehee |
| 19:37.04 | uso | is there a sense behind having most of the images twice in 2.0.8? |
| 19:37.46 | uso | which does bzflag use, the ones in data or in data/skins? |
| 19:39.37 | JeffM2501 | that's not 2.0.8 |
| 19:39.39 | JeffM2501 | you got cvs head |
| 19:39.47 | JeffM2501 | and that got the skins |
| 19:39.56 | JeffM2501 | then you probably downdated to 2.0.8 |
| 19:40.10 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.x uses all inte data dir, .2.1.x uses skins |
| 19:41.14 | uso | cvs stat data/skins/blue/basetop.png |
| 19:41.19 | uso | Sticky Tag: v2_0_8 (revision: 1.1) |
| 19:41.20 | ruskie | weee found another OO sweetspot on vipers map... |
| 19:41.27 | ruskie | can be safe and shoot out of the wall :) |
| 19:42.01 | JeffM2501 | that should not be in there |
| 19:42.06 | uso | :) |
| 19:42.16 | JeffM2501 | somone should fix that |
| 19:43.12 | ruskie | now I again know of 2 spots though one is relatively safe... since one can easily be killed but it's a good suprise :) |
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| 19:51.09 | Cruel_dog | umm, i have a question, what does tris means in bzflag? it appears upside the fps |
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| 19:54.05 | wegstar | :) |
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| 20:23.31 | xorAxAx | hi, bzflag says that audio is not available for me. why? its an ubuntu dapper system |
| 20:24.58 | Mr_Molez | xorAxAx: you in kde ? |
| 20:25.05 | xorAxAx | no, gnome |
| 20:25.22 | Mr_Molez | k hmm duno then |
| 20:25.49 | Mr_Molez | sounds are pretty annoying i usually have them off anyway :P |
| 20:30.19 | PuMpErNiCkEl | Sounds are good if there are ST sneaking around :) |
| 20:30.37 | xorAxAx | yep |
| 20:31.01 | PuMpErNiCkEl | xorAxAx: Is sound working in anything else? |
| 20:31.21 | xorAxAx | PuMpErNiCkEl: sure |
| 20:31.39 | PuMpErNiCkEl | hm |
| 20:32.25 | Mr_Molez | could be your sound card can only play one thing at once |
| 20:32.36 | Mr_Molez | try closing anything that uses your soundcard |
| 20:32.38 | PuMpErNiCkEl | Usually, my Ubuntu sound problems were either sound server related (I couldn't play multiple sounds, and some other app was hogging the pipe) or library related. |
| 20:32.49 | PuMpErNiCkEl | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1467813&group_id=3248&atid=103248 <--- as an example |
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| 21:21.29 | ryanakca | How do you make bzflag run in a window instead of fullscreen? |
| 21:21.50 | Birdie | windows? |
| 21:22.01 | larsl | ryanakca: bzflag -window |
| 21:24.11 | ryanakca | Birdie: Linux (Ubuntu/Kubuntu) |
| 21:24.22 | ryanakca | larsl: kk, ty |
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| 21:34.31 | wegstar | is there a way to make a plugin "quit"? |
| 21:35.16 | Gnurdux | /unloadplugin |
| 21:35.28 | wegstar | i.e. the plugin catches an error that would potentially crash the server.. is there a way to make the plugin unload itself if it detects such an error? |
| 21:36.32 | blast007 | the plugin should just not crash the server :) |
| 21:36.43 | wegstar | :) |
| 21:36.44 | Gnurdux | yea |
| 21:36.51 | Gnurdux | plugins can't even cause an error on load |
| 21:36.58 | wegstar | hmm |
| 21:37.07 | blast007 | error checking in the plugin is a necessity |
| 21:37.22 | blast007 | if there is an error, just break out of the current operation |
| 21:37.48 | wegstar | which would? |
| 21:37.51 | blast007 | any example of an error that would require unloading the plugin? |
| 21:38.26 | blast007 | error checking, such as: if the player record isn't valid, don't try to read a value from it |
| 21:39.08 | blast007 | the code should be robust enough that a crash should be difficult or impossible to induce |
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| 21:45.44 | I_Died_Once | Not that anyone asked, 'nor that this is on topic in here, but X-Men 3 was AWESOME. |
| 21:47.28 | JeffM2501 | it needed a better director |
| 21:50.04 | JeffM2501 | superman will be much much better |
| 21:52.20 | I_Died_Once | is superman going to be a "re-telling" like Batman Begins was, or is it a sequal to the existing Superman movies (w/ Christopher Reeve) ? |
| 21:52.40 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:52.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah it takes place after superman 2 |
| 21:53.00 | I_Died_Once | ...you mean 4 |
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| 21:53.29 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:53.45 | JeffM2501 | it assumes the last 2 stupid ones don't exist |
| 21:53.49 | blast007 | hehe |
| 21:55.19 | I_Died_Once | ...I wonder if there'll be an opening crawl explaining "we'll be ignoring Superman 3 with Richard Pryor, as well as part 4 with the Sun Dude" |
| 21:55.29 | JeffM2501 | that would be funny |
| 21:55.40 | JeffM2501 | Kevin Spacy is going to make a good Lex |
| 21:56.45 | I_Died_Once | "this movie continues right after General Zod got his ass kicked... thanks for watching" |
| 21:57.19 | JeffM2501 | kneel before zod! |
| 22:26.51 | wegstar | blast007: i.e. failure to connect to an irc server |
| 22:27.55 | Gnurdux | wegstar, well, the plugin can't even fail to load |
| 22:27.56 | wegstar | bzfs crashes if when the plugin fails to connect to an irc server.. |
| 22:28.02 | Gnurdux | and wegstar it shouldnt unload |
| 22:28.08 | Gnurdux | it should do error checking |
| 22:28.11 | Gnurdux | and not crash |
| 22:28.16 | Gnurdux | and continue trying to connect |
| 22:28.16 | wegstar | what then if it finds an error? |
| 22:29.08 | Gnurdux | try reconnecting on every tick mark |
| 22:29.15 | blast007 | no.. |
| 22:29.18 | blast007 | not on every tick.. :P |
| 22:29.32 | blast007 | is tick is a bzfs loop |
| 22:29.33 | wegstar | it would be the users fault then... my code is bulletproof ;) |
| 22:29.42 | wegstar | I'm just worried that a user might screw up the config |
| 22:29.46 | blast007 | s/is tick/a tick/ |
| 22:30.02 | wegstar | and then complain about the server crashing... |
| 22:30.04 | blast007 | wegstar: detect the failure to connect, and don't issue any commands on the socket |
| 22:30.20 | Gnurdux | wegstar, also, servers go down sometimes |
| 22:30.25 | wegstar | ;) |
| 22:30.32 | brad | wegstar: I found another issue, it occasionly quits for "excess flood" :p |
| 22:30.33 | Gnurdux | when the IRC server goes down, it should probably try reconnecting |
| 22:30.42 | wegstar | brad: :P |
| 22:30.46 | Gnurdux | what exactly is it supposed to do? |
| 22:30.50 | brad | so yeah, reconnecting would be good |
| 22:30.52 | larsl | wegstar: Really, bulletproof software doesn't crash because the config file is bad. |
| 22:31.07 | blast007 | Gnurdux: relay chat in bzflag to/from an IRC channel |
| 22:31.10 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 22:31.12 | Gnurdux | cool |
| 22:31.18 | wegstar | larsl: ah.. |
| 22:31.34 | wegstar | :P |
| 22:31.37 | larsl | bz2irc.pl or something I think. |
| 22:31.38 | blast007 | yeah, I recall that :) |
| 22:31.50 | larsl | And a bz2bz.pl too, that was fun. =) |
| 22:31.55 | wegstar | :( |
| 22:31.56 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:32.34 | wegstar | darn... oh well... |
| 22:32.49 | wegstar | I'll add some admin features and it will be more "original" ;) |
| 22:33.12 | larsl | wegstar: A plugin would still be better, the bzadmin scripts require a separate client running that will show up in the player list. |
| 22:33.19 | wegstar | I see |
| 22:33.26 | larsl | My scripts were really just simple hacks. |
| 22:40.54 | wegstar | arrgh!!! |
| 22:41.11 | wegstar | VC++ Beta trial period is over??? |
| 22:41.26 | wegstar | now I can't compile my plugin |
| 22:41.38 | wegstar | brad: do you have access to a linux comp right now? |
| 22:41.51 | wegstar | gnurdux? |
| 22:42.39 | brad | yes |
| 22:42.56 | brad | want me to try it? |
| 22:43.18 | wegstar | yeah.. that would be great ;) |
| 22:43.22 | wegstar | hold on for a sec |
| 22:43.40 | brad | ok |
| 22:43.44 | Gnurdux | yes wegstar ? |
| 22:43.46 | larsl | Does BZFlag compile using any free compiler on Windows these days? |
| 22:43.55 | Gnurdux | oh ill compile for you |
| 22:44.01 | wegstar | ok |
| 22:44.02 | Gnurdux | ah brad is trying it |
| 22:44.07 | Mr_Molez | mingw works |
| 22:44.11 | larsl | Cool. |
| 22:44.11 | Gnurdux | true |
| 22:44.14 | wegstar | no bzfs.lib :( |
| 22:44.17 | wegstar | bzfs.a |
| 22:44.18 | wegstar | I mean |
| 22:44.20 | Gnurdux | no |
| 22:44.23 | Gnurdux | you don't need one |
| 22:44.26 | wegstar | yes |
| 22:44.33 | Gnurdux | on Linux, you don't need to link with any external lib |
| 22:44.38 | wegstar | I know |
| 22:44.41 | Gnurdux | you just compile as a shared library |
| 22:44.43 | wegstar | but on windows you do... |
| 22:45.09 | Gnurdux | your firewalled in |
| 22:45.12 | Gnurdux | it doesnt work |
| 22:45.20 | wegstar | hmm |
| 22:45.41 | Gnurdux | send it to brad through email |
| 22:46.31 | wegstar | brad, what's your email? |
| 22:46.43 | brad | brad2901@gmail.com |
| 22:47.10 | wegstar | ok |
| 22:47.19 | brad | sent? |
| 22:47.35 | wegstar | yep |
| 22:47.38 | brad | k |
| 22:48.31 | wegstar | what compiled sources in bzflag makes up bzfs.lib anyway? |
| 22:49.04 | Gnurdux | cya dinner |
| 22:50.13 | brad | wegstar: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/61896 |
| 22:50.23 | JeffM2501 | larsl there is a free visual studio |
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| 22:50.34 | wegstar | oops |
| 22:54.15 | wegstar | ok.. sent the new one |
| 22:54.34 | brad | ok. |
| 22:54.54 | wegstar | so... nobody really knows what bzfs.lib is made of? |
| 22:55.12 | larsl | wegstar: It's in the makefiles. |
| 22:55.13 | JeffM2501 | I do |
| 22:55.17 | JeffM2501 | on windows? |
| 22:55.20 | wegstar | yes |
| 22:55.25 | JeffM2501 | it's the export lib |
| 22:55.30 | JeffM2501 | you can't make it by itself |
| 22:55.32 | wegstar | oh |
| 22:55.46 | JeffM2501 | it has the dynamic exports that plugins link to for windows |
| 22:55.57 | JeffM2501 | it's build by the compiler containing all exported functions |
| 22:56.07 | JeffM2501 | aka all that stuff with BZFS_API in front of it |
| 22:56.10 | wegstar | hmm |
| 22:56.11 | JeffM2501 | why do you need to know? |
| 22:56.21 | wegstar | I need a bzfs.a |
| 22:56.27 | JeffM2501 | for what? |
| 22:56.31 | wegstar | VC++ beta just blew out on me |
| 22:56.41 | wegstar | compiling windows plugins |
| 22:56.45 | JeffM2501 | vc dosn't use .a files |
| 22:56.50 | wegstar | it uses .lib |
| 22:56.51 | JeffM2501 | it'll build the lib with bzfs.exe |
| 22:56.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:57.00 | JeffM2501 | just build bzfs.exe |
| 22:57.09 | JeffM2501 | and you'll get a lib in your release or debug dir |
| 22:57.15 | wegstar | I'm using Dev-C++, so yeah.. |
| 22:57.25 | JeffM2501 | not sure plugins work with devC++ |
| 22:57.39 | JeffM2501 | gcc dosn't do the same kind of exports |
| 22:57.43 | wegstar | hmm |
| 22:57.44 | brad | wegstar: |
| 22:57.46 | brad | brad@home:~/cvsroot/bzflag2_0/bzflag/plugins/Relay$ bzfs -ddd -loadplugin ./Relay.so |
| 22:57.50 | brad | Segmentation fault |
| 22:57.56 | wegstar | ow |
| 22:58.03 | JeffM2501 | on gcc linux and mac |
| 22:58.07 | JeffM2501 | they don't use an export lib |
| 22:58.15 | JeffM2501 | cus the .so file links at runtime |
| 22:58.20 | wegstar | ok |
| 22:58.37 | wegstar | brad: thanks |
| 22:58.46 | brad | np |
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| 23:08.35 | jcape | Any viper admins around? |
| 23:10.11 | jcape | The reason I ask is this: My roommate (who shares my connection) has been banned by Moto Unit -- he claims unjustly, but I'm not going to plead his case since it's not my concern. |
| 23:10.36 | jcape | Unfortunately, as he shares my connection, I've been banned as well -- it's an IP ban. |
| 23:12.03 | JeffM2501 | best would be to send moto unit a private message on the froums |
| 23:12.11 | JeffM2501 | see if they can change it to an ID ban |
| 23:12.22 | jcape | k |
| 23:12.33 | larsl | Does anyone know how to close all open file descriptors for a process (without having an actual list of all open file descriptors)? |
| 23:12.48 | DTRemenak | terminate the process? :) |
| 23:13.03 | larsl | =) |
| 23:14.51 | jcape | If there isn't a big "do_it_for_me(2)" syscall, you may be able to read the filenames in /proc/[pid]/fd to get a list of open descriptors and close them while walking the directory. |
| 23:15.20 | jcape | But that'll cause issues for anything else that's expecting those descriptors to still be open. |
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| 23:16.56 | jcape | (obviously that's on Linux only) |
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| 23:37.48 | BenUrban | developer.apple.com |
| 23:37.50 | BenUrban | iirc |
| 23:38.43 | JeffM2501 | why isn't it part of the normal software update stuff? |
| 23:39.29 | larsl | jcape: Found a better way - iterate from 0 to getdtablesize() and close() every descriptor. |
| 23:41.26 | jcape | Mmm |
| 23:42.01 | jcape | Of course, 0, 1, and 2 are stdio :-) |
| 23:42.19 | larsl | Yeah, I can skip those. |
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| 23:43.44 | JeffM2501 | 915megs for xcode... wow! |
| 23:51.55 | lan56 | hot diggity |
| 23:56.06 | SportChick | ~brlcad++ |
