| 00:02.07 | Gnurdux | does anyone have a database of all IPs used to connect to all callsigns |
| 00:04.37 | brad | yeah let me just find it |
| 00:05.58 | CBG | Gnurdux: whaaa?? |
| 00:07.54 | Mahdi | hi cbg |
| 00:08.45 | A_Meteorite | what? you get IPs of all these people? and I can't get one singular IP to a callsign? :P |
| 00:12.06 | Gnurdux | brad, where is it? |
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| 00:13.46 | A_Meteorite | what's wrong with a brad server? :P |
| 00:13.50 | A_Meteorite | ooh... IPs |
| 00:13.51 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 00:13.51 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, look up |
| 00:13.57 | brad | hehe |
| 00:14.00 | JeffM2501 | if he's willing to give out personal information to anyone |
| 00:14.13 | A_Meteorite | All your IPs are belong to me |
| 00:14.16 | A_Meteorite | ;) |
| 00:14.18 | brad | you really think I have a database of IPs? :/ |
| 00:14.22 | Gnurdux | no |
| 00:14.23 | A_Meteorite | maybe.. |
| 00:14.24 | Gnurdux | agh |
| 00:14.25 | Gnurdux | awww |
| 00:14.38 | JeffM2501 | I mean I can get ALL the IPs, an ALL the callsigns but you don't seem given em out |
| 00:15.24 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, think about it, at the most he'd have just the ones that hit his server |
| 00:21.58 | DTRemenak|RDP | I have an autosearcher on my server, keep logs in -ddd...slower than a database, same effect. |
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| 09:21.51 | L4m3r | I smell BS... does that make me a horrible person? |
| 09:21.52 | L4m3r | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8144 |
| 09:22.46 | L4m3r | wait... that's completely ludicrous, wow I'm out of it |
| 09:26.04 | purple_cow | people don't get "instantaneous" cancer |
| 09:26.40 | L4m3r | I know. I'm tired. -_- |
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| 11:43.35 | Linxx0r | how are you |
| 11:44.06 | |zongo| | fine but working :/ |
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| 16:03.39 | ruskie | hmm was a good game... |
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| 16:49.11 | ToughShooter | Hmm, can extreme mouse acceleration cause bullets _sometimes_ going through my own tank? |
| 16:56.00 | gsnedders | if you go faster than the bullet, then of couse it's possible |
| 16:59.50 | ToughShooter | What do you mean with "faster than the bullet"? |
| 17:01.20 | ToughShooter | When I have a highspeed flag, stay at a fixed position and shoot, it will kill me if I accelerate me tank into the bullet |
| 17:01.28 | JeffM2501 | if your acceleration changes move you thru the space of a shot in 1 frame, then it'll never think it hit you |
| 17:02.09 | ToughShooter | Wow |
| 17:03.01 | JeffM2501 | thats why we say the sim isn't great |
| 17:03.17 | ToughShooter | What does that cause? (I have had something around 150FPS at the time it went through me) |
| 17:04.13 | JeffM2501 | if for one frame the shot is on one side of you, and on the next frame it's on the other side, then we never detected it IN you, so no boom |
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| 17:08.05 | ToughShooter | tough stuff :o |
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| 17:20.23 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: What if someone decides to set FPS to 1 before a bullet reaches and after to 60? |
| 17:20.39 | JeffM2501 | there are many ways to fake the lag to do that |
| 17:21.01 | JeffM2501 | if they are going to go to that trouble, why not just make the client ignore the hit :) |
| 17:21.19 | ToughShooter | I get a 15ms boost from that..with 1FPS over 30 seconds |
| 17:21.48 | ToughShooter | Well, that can be easily turned on and off at runtime |
| 17:22.08 | JeffM2501 | like I say, there are many ways to cheat |
| 17:22.23 | JeffM2501 | this is why the sim system must be changed |
| 17:22.44 | ToughShooter | A server side game state is obviously the way to go |
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| 17:23.15 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 17:23.33 | JeffM2501 | but also a better client side state that can take large timeslices into account |
| 17:23.46 | JeffM2501 | that will make valid clients closer to the server state in more cases. |
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| 18:15.25 | Chestal | JeffM2501: I am not sure, but I think the client hit detection might actualyl work even with big dts |
| 18:15.48 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, I know it does some segmentions |
| 18:16.02 | Chestal | I think I remember it checking for ray / rectangle collision, where the rectangle is the space that the tank occupies during the dt |
| 18:16.12 | JeffM2501 | then that is good |
| 18:16.19 | Chestal | then it does the sphere check to see if both shot and tna kwere at the same space at samwe time |
| 18:16.32 | JeffM2501 | but does it check just where the tank box is now? |
| 18:16.40 | JeffM2501 | how does it handle a moving tank? |
| 18:16.55 | JeffM2501 | ahh rect |
| 18:16.56 | JeffM2501 | got it |
| 18:17.08 | Chestal | but better have a look at the code yourself :-) |
| 18:17.15 | JeffM2501 | naw, don't care that much :) |
| 18:17.35 | Chestal | anyway, it shouldn't cause any problems for the caser that ToughSHooter was describing |
| 18:17.39 | JeffM2501 | playing with another engine at present |
| 18:17.54 | JeffM2501 | nope dosn't sound like it shoudl cause his problem. |
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| 18:20.09 | amcnabb | brlcad, have you had a chance to look at that patch yet? |
| 18:22.42 | Tropican8 | Last time I grabbed CVS of the 2.0 branch, after building, bzflag didn't autodetect the (default no less) location of its data files. Did someone change something? |
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| 18:30.26 | CBG | hey JeffM2501, BinarySpike says you won't let him have a subforum on the bzbb...? |
| 18:30.46 | CBG | I remember discussing this with you at the time, you offered him one and he turned it down, if I remember rightly. |
| 18:33.29 | JeffM2501 | I think that yes, in the end he was going to be better served by his own froum |
| 18:33.32 | JeffM2501 | witch he was |
| 18:33.35 | JeffM2501 | gotta lunch now |
| 18:33.52 | CBG | Quote: "they didn't let me have a (sub-)forum here... " ... heh... |
| 18:34.03 | CBG | (@ http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8141) |
| 18:34.19 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 18:34.21 | ToughShooter | Chestal: So it was something different? |
| 18:39.35 | Chestal | ToughShooter: well, I don't know. Are you _sure_ it passed through you? |
| 18:40.52 | ToughShooter | Yes, it really hit me (though at the edge of my tank) |
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| 18:50.11 | ToughShooter | from 40 bullets 3 went through me |
| 18:59.56 | CBG | Chestal: would you be the person to speak to about the "BZLogger"? |
| 19:02.01 | Chestal | CBG: I called it 'bzlogview', yes |
| 19:02.38 | ToughShooter | Chestal: What does this thing do if the opponent jumps over the shot? |
| 19:03.46 | Chestal | what should it do? it does nothing, the client just logs the observd coordinates which can be views later |
| 19:04.22 | CBG | Chestal: I'm on a mac and can't really compile right now, would you or someone else have a mac build? |
| 19:04.27 | ToughShooter | Does itwill look like the shooter hit the opponent |
| 19:04.31 | ToughShooter | ooops |
| 19:04.43 | ToughShooter | Does it look like the shooter hit the opponent? |
| 19:05.34 | Chestal | CBG: not that I know of, should be possible to do, though |
| 19:05.59 | Chestal | ToughShooter: it will basically look the same as viewed durign the game from the client that logged |
| 19:08.07 | ToughShooter | Chestal: Does "bzlogview" work under OS X? |
| 19:09.07 | Chestal | it uses wxWidgets, so it should work. Not sure the code confirms to all wxWidgets cross platform guidelines 100%, but it should be easy to adapt it |
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| 19:09.44 | ToughShooter | Umm, could I have the tool please? I found no download link :( |
| 19:09.59 | Chestal | that#s because there is none :-) |
| 19:10.23 | BinarySpike | So plugins only work on events? you can't have timed events? |
| 19:10.35 | BinarySpike | like make a plugin execute code every few seconds? |
| 19:10.42 | Chestal | you can get the source from www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/files/bzlogview.tgz though |
| 19:10.59 | ToughShooter | yay, cool :) |
| 19:11.10 | Chestal | it's a pre-pre-pre-release version of course... |
| 19:12.57 | ToughShooter | Are there future plans for developing it? |
| 19:16.57 | Chestal | there are ideas. Maybe when I get bored someday |
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| 19:24.18 | ToughShooter | Chestal: tnx for the source |
| 19:46.06 | uso | ToughShooter: there's no chance that a bullet pass the full tank lenght within a frame at 150 fps with standard game settings |
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| 19:47.03 | uso | even with infinite acceleration there's the speed limit for tanks and the shot speed, so it needs nearly a 10th of a second to pass the tank |
| 19:47.27 | trepan | tmin = -dot(Pa - Pb, Va - Vb) / dot(Va - Vb, Va - Vb) |
| 19:47.33 | uso | so you must be at about 10 fps or below |
| 19:47.47 | ToughShooter | uso: Well, I don't believe I have only imagined that. It defiantly happened - just not sure how |
| 19:48.22 | TD-Linux | for turning on vsync, /localset _vsync on ? |
| 19:48.33 | trepan | vsync was removed |
| 19:48.37 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 19:48.53 | TD-Linux | that means I have to find some decent ATI drivers now :) |
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| 19:58.57 | CBG | ~L4m3r++ |
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| 20:35.59 | JeffM2501 | hmmm should I buy a tank, or a girl? |
| 20:36.14 | CBG | You have to ask? |
| 20:36.22 | CBG | JeffM2501: take the tank. always. |
| 20:36.24 | JeffM2501 | well I have to get both at some point |
| 20:36.32 | JeffM2501 | so it's realy just what one first |
| 20:36.33 | CBG | Who needs girls? :/ |
| 20:36.42 | JeffM2501 | umm... me |
| 20:36.53 | CBG | Ok, if you _have_ to get both, still get the tank first. |
| 20:37.01 | CBG | Once you got a girl, you'll never get a tank. |
| 20:37.08 | JeffM2501 | not true |
| 20:37.19 | JeffM2501 | same order form for both |
| 20:37.23 | CBG | Well, if it's a tank-loving-girl... |
| 20:37.28 | CBG | Oh, I see. |
| 20:37.32 | JeffM2501 | she does come with a gun |
| 20:37.52 | CBG | Hmm, I'm starting to want one of these "girl" things myself. |
| 20:38.04 | JeffM2501 | 40$ |
| 20:38.11 | CBG | Bah, maybe not. |
| 20:38.15 | A_Meteorite | I haven't got to the "gimme a girl now" stage yet. :P |
| 20:38.17 | JeffM2501 | actualy 140$ for you |
| 20:38.23 | CBG | Whaaa? |
| 20:38.29 | JeffM2501 | you don't have the engine |
| 20:38.34 | CBG | A_Meteorite: wait till you hit puberty. |
| 20:38.36 | JeffM2501 | have to have the engine |
| 20:38.38 | CBG | JeffM2501: pfff |
| 20:38.41 | JeffM2501 | before you can get the tank or the girl |
| 20:38.55 | A_Meteorite | CBG: there just I'm not out hunting for girls either ;) |
| 20:39.05 | A_Meteorite | heh. /me thinks this is the wrong channel |
| 20:39.25 | JeffM2501 | the buggy sample isn't enough for me to make my own tank |
| 20:39.29 | JeffM2501 | so I'm sure I'll have to get that |
| 20:39.33 | CBG | Hey hey, JeffM2501 started this OT conversation, let's not ruin the moment. |
| 20:39.40 | JeffM2501 | same for the character model, so I'll get the girl too |
| 20:39.45 | JeffM2501 | CBG, OT? |
| 20:39.49 | CBG | OffTopic |
| 20:39.59 | CBG | (as A_Meteorite implied) |
| 20:40.00 | JeffM2501 | how is tanks and 3d models off topic for a tank game? |
| 20:40.13 | A_Meteorite | How does the girl fit in? |
| 20:40.15 | CBG | *ahem* girls? |
| 20:40.18 | A_Meteorite | A girl IN a tank? |
| 20:40.21 | JeffM2501 | girl model |
| 20:40.27 | JeffM2501 | for skeletal animations |
| 20:40.27 | CBG | in a tank? |
| 20:40.29 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 20:40.30 | CBG | ON a tank? :) |
| 20:40.34 | JeffM2501 | in or out of the tank |
| 20:40.49 | CBG | ON the tank is best, imhp. |
| 20:40.52 | CBG | imho* |
| 20:40.53 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 20:41.21 | ToughShooter | Chestal: What is meant with wxWidgets dev install? Is that the unstable version or is there somewhere a special version with more libraries? |
| 20:41.27 | JeffM2501 | no I don't think I'll allow for the player avatar to climb on vehicles |
| 20:41.35 | JeffM2501 | too complex with not enough reward |
| 20:41.42 | CBG | not enough reward? pff |
| 20:41.47 | A_Meteorite | player avatar! we're getting badges for our tanks now? |
| 20:41.56 | JeffM2501 | badges? |
| 20:42.06 | A_Meteorite | well, what ARE you talking about then? |
| 20:42.10 | CBG | breasts? what?!?! |
| 20:42.18 | trepan | we don't need no steenkin badges |
| 20:42.22 | A_Meteorite | CBG: uh |
| 20:42.23 | CBG | wait, did I say that out loud? :/ |
| 20:42.28 | JeffM2501 | the player avatar in a game is the graphical thing that represents the player |
| 20:42.42 | A_Meteorite | yes, so we get tank labels or what? |
| 20:42.49 | A_Meteorite | I don't get what's going on ;) |
| 20:42.53 | JeffM2501 | in this case your avatar is the person, who gets into the tank |
| 20:43.11 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, then perhaps you should not have jumped into a conversation you know nothing about ;) |
| 20:43.12 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, wehn are you getting the domain? :P |
| 20:43.12 | A_Meteorite | ok... |
| 20:43.19 | A_Meteorite | Gnurdux: I got it already |
| 20:43.24 | Gnurdux | which one? |
| 20:43.27 | A_Meteorite | bzfx.net |
| 20:43.31 | Gnurdux | sweet |
| 20:43.40 | Gnurdux | This is the placeholder for domain bzfx.net. If you see this page after uploading site content you probably have not replaced the index.html file. |
| 20:43.40 | Gnurdux | This page has been automatically generated by Plesk. |
| 20:43.45 | A_Meteorite | I'm just fixing up mod_rewrite to add www |
| 20:43.51 | A_Meteorite | I know |
| 20:43.53 | Chestal | ToughShooter: dev simply means that you not only need the runtime but also headers etc. |
| 20:43.54 | CBG | Gnurdux: damnit, go easy on the CTRL+V |
| 20:43.57 | Gnurdux | mod_rewrite? |
| 20:44.04 | A_Meteorite | yes... |
| 20:44.13 | Gnurdux | CBG, i dint use CTRL+V, i used middle mouse click |
| 20:44.33 | CBG | Gnurdux: that's worse. take it private :P |
| 20:45.19 | ToughShooter | Chestal: Is there a special version marked on the side? The one that comes with darwinports shows missing symbols for ld |
| 20:46.58 | Chestal | I have no clue about Mac. Missing symbols? on what? |
| 20:52.21 | ToughShooter | Chestal: This but now it compiles (and gives errors): http://pastebin.com/747732 with gcc 4 I get a file error input format |
| 20:55.06 | Chestal | ToughShooter: no real idea. The C** ABI version mismatch looks strange |
| 20:56.26 | ToughShooter | I will try to uninstall the darwinports version and compile one myself |
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| 21:21.35 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, you should update the servers to say bzfx.net |
| 21:21.50 | A_Meteorite | they will be |
| 21:21.56 | A_Meteorite | I'm not instant and magic :P |
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| 21:34.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (7 files): s/strcmp/strcasecmp/ |
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| 22:11.21 | TD-Linux | I'm starting bzfs with a config designed to be public, can I throw something on the command line so that it dosen't appear on the list server but I use the same config? |
| 22:13.06 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:13.14 | JeffM2501 | advertise to nobody |
| 22:13.26 | A_Meteorite | -advertise ? |
| 22:13.37 | JeffM2501 | looking |
| 22:13.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:14.00 | JeffM2501 | -advertise NOBODY |
| 22:14.05 | A_Meteorite | ah, cool |
| 22:14.08 | A_Meteorite | I was thinking -q |
| 22:14.31 | JeffM2501 | that's just pings for lan |
| 22:14.37 | A_Meteorite | I see |
| 22:15.02 | JeffM2501 | the list server conencts as a real user |
| 22:15.05 | JeffM2501 | not a ping |
| 22:15.18 | JeffM2501 | the ping is for subnet searches of lan servers |
| 22:15.57 | JeffM2501 | -advertise NOBODY is the way to get a non public server and still do global login |
| 22:16.09 | A_Meteorite | ok |
| 22:16.37 | JeffM2501 | since you are efectivly public, but would only list to users in the NOBODY group, and that group dosn't exist |
| 22:20.40 | TD-Linux | wait... but if you advertise to a different group, how do you know who the user is before they join a server? |
| 22:21.02 | JeffM2501 | when they list, they login too |
| 22:21.09 | JeffM2501 | and the server knows what groups they are in |
| 22:21.20 | JeffM2501 | so if they arn't in the group we don't send them the server as part of the list |
| 22:21.34 | TD-Linux | does it use the user's stored callsign and password? |
| 22:21.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:21.57 | JeffM2501 | so if they don't have anything in there, they don't reg, and are not part of any groups |
| 22:22.08 | TD-Linux | okay |
| 22:22.16 | TD-Linux | that's very interesting :) |
| 22:22.39 | JeffM2501 | so if you use a real group, the only way to be shown is by users who list and login and are in your group |
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| 23:33.56 | Elspuddy | hi, bzfs.conf is not in the tar.gz file that i downloaded, where can i get it ? |
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| 23:35.38 | orchid | Elspuddy: should be in misc/ |
| 23:36.05 | Elspuddy | hmm, i dont even have a misc |
| 23:36.43 | orchid | where did you get the tarball? |
| 23:37.18 | Elspuddy | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/Download#head-785872f1fbc1340e3568457fabce9cb65d2120d7 |
| 23:37.52 | Elspuddy | from there |
| 23:37.52 | Elspuddy | GNU/Linux installer (i586) [WWW]bzflag-2.0.8-x86-Opkg.tar.gz |
| 23:38.24 | blast007 | that isn't a source tar.gz |
| 23:38.37 | blast007 | so no misc/ |
| 23:39.01 | blast007 | http://bzflag.cvs.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag/misc/?pathrev=v2_0branch |
| 23:39.11 | blast007 | you can grab the file from there |
| 23:39.45 | Elspuddy | thanks :) |
| 23:40.19 | blast007 | :) |
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| 23:52.00 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v bryjen] by ChanServ |
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| 23:56.02 | Mahdi | Anyone that’s interested in Free and Open Source Software should have a look at: www.gravityzoo.com |
| 23:57.12 | Mahdi | Hopefully BZFlag (the game that I fall in love with) can become net-born one day :) |
| 23:59.15 | JeffM2501 | net-born? |