| 00:00.07 | JeffM2501 | you should have goten it wih your update |
| 00:02.20 | TD-Linux | I'll try again |
| 00:03.04 | TD-Linux | I got a couple updated files, will try now |
| 00:04.07 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: |
| 00:04.07 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - shadowed global |
| 00:04.07 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - wrong data type |
| 00:04.54 | trepan | should really get rid of 'player' as a global var... |
| 00:05.54 | TD-Linux | I think guided missle should actually look like a missle |
| 00:06.01 | spldart | brb... gonnna reboot to linux on this rig and try an update/build |
| 00:06.16 | JeffM2501 | then a bullet should look like a bullet |
| 00:06.19 | TD-Linux | though then you would have to rotate it accordingly with it's velocity |
| 00:06.45 | JeffM2501 | you mean just like the new geoBolt's do? |
| 00:06.58 | TD-Linux | GM behaves like a missle, but bullets do not behave like real bullets |
| 00:07.42 | TD-Linux | no, what I meant is that GM should look like a gray metal missle, with a firey orange trail behind it |
| 00:08.24 | JeffM2501 | then the normal shot should look like a tank shell? |
| 00:08.40 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 00:08.51 | TD-Linux | no, because a tank shell dosen't blast apart a tank in one hit |
| 00:08.54 | TD-Linux | nor does it float |
| 00:08.55 | TD-Linux | or bounce |
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| 00:09.35 | JeffM2501 | and a real missile fires out of a tank barrel? and "regenerates" :) |
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| 00:09.57 | TD-Linux | fine :) |
| 00:10.01 | JeffM2501 | so what you are saying is I should take out reico |
| 00:10.03 | JeffM2501 | rico |
| 00:10.04 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:10.06 | JeffM2501 | I can do that |
| 00:10.09 | TD-Linux | err |
| 00:10.32 | TD-Linux | I meant to leave normal bullets alone, they are not close to anything anyway |
| 00:10.48 | TD-Linux | wait... why was I associating looks with real-life function? |
| 00:10.50 | TD-Linux | that's dumb |
| 00:11.04 | TD-Linux | wow... I just realized my whole argument was really stupid |
| 00:11.11 | TD-Linux | that happens far too often for me |
| 00:11.17 | JeffM2501 | you have to pick one, real or fake |
| 00:11.20 | JeffM2501 | we are very fake |
| 00:11.27 | JeffM2501 | so I make them look fake, just cooler fake |
| 00:11.35 | TD-Linux | okay |
| 00:11.50 | JeffM2501 | the missile model was old and one |
| 00:11.59 | JeffM2501 | it was not approved |
| 00:11.59 | TD-Linux | I have never liked the look of GM, neither the old or the new one |
| 00:12.07 | TD-Linux | the new one seems really small |
| 00:12.36 | TD-Linux | GM would be neat if it indicated which direction it was going in |
| 00:12.40 | JeffM2501 | it does |
| 00:12.43 | JeffM2501 | look at it |
| 00:12.46 | JeffM2501 | it has a tail ;) |
| 00:12.49 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 00:12.52 | TD-Linux | let me see |
| 00:13.53 | trepan | gmTailScale? ('cause we need more options) |
| 00:14.21 | TD-Linux | the tail is really hard to see when you are shooting it, but it looks nice? |
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| 00:14.35 | TD-Linux | how about adding a really faint long polygon to the tail? |
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| 00:14.49 | JeffM2501 | turn on the shock rings for the puff |
| 00:14.52 | JeffM2501 | you can see what way it's going |
| 00:14.56 | JeffM2501 | and it has a flare at the end |
| 00:15.04 | JeffM2501 | you just can only see it when it's pointing AT you ;) |
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| 00:15.20 | JeffM2501 | I'll probalby put the size and radius in the bzdb, so you can set them |
| 00:15.22 | zee781 | jeff |
| 00:15.25 | TD-Linux | on second thought, I like the new style GM now :) |
| 00:15.34 | TD-Linux | though I was bored stiff at your super fun happy server |
| 00:15.41 | zee781 | jeff |
| 00:16.00 | zee781 | jeff!!!!! |
| 00:16.15 | TD-Linux | I'll say "What are you going to ask me?" for JeffM |
| 00:16.51 | zee781 | jeffm2526 |
| 00:17.05 | zee781 | jeffm2501 |
| 00:17.11 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 00:17.24 | zee781 | whats the pass |
| 00:17.27 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, it's a test server |
| 00:17.29 | zee781 | server |
| 00:17.32 | JeffM2501 | zee781, what are you talking about? |
| 00:17.45 | zee781 | server pass |
| 00:17.52 | JeffM2501 | what "server" are you talking about? |
| 00:18.18 | zee781 | nyours the prvite match server |
| 00:18.25 | zee781 | yours the prvite match server |
| 00:18.32 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 00:18.37 | zee781 | yours the prvite match server |
| 00:18.38 | JeffM2501 | I don't have a "private match server" |
| 00:19.01 | zee781 | openleague |
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| 00:19.04 | JeffM2501 | bzflag dosn't even have a password protection system for servers |
| 00:19.11 | JeffM2501 | zee781, I have nothing to do with openleauge |
| 00:19.16 | JeffM2501 | I sugest you talk to the owners of it |
| 00:19.21 | Gnurdux | join ##openleague |
| 00:19.23 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 00:19.29 | JeffM2501 | or use there fourms |
| 00:19.37 | JeffM2501 | this channel is not part of it in any way |
| 00:19.39 | captrespect | does bzflag have any sort of match mode? like first team to 10 caps wins the game, then starts a new game? |
| 00:19.43 | Gnurdux | tho actually your getting lauged at there |
| 00:19.44 | TD-Linux | oh, there is a 2.0 server entitled 'Jeff's Server', maybe that's what he means |
| 00:19.47 | JeffM2501 | captrespect, no |
| 00:19.50 | Gnurdux | captrespect, i just made a plugin for that |
| 00:19.57 | Gnurdux | but it needs a server modification |
| 00:20.04 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, what? |
| 00:20.07 | zee781 | how do yoy talk in privite? |
| 00:20.16 | JeffM2501 | /msg person message |
| 00:20.20 | Gnurdux | you cant unless you are registered on FreeNode |
| 00:20.31 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, not true |
| 00:20.37 | JeffM2501 | you can allow nonreg to talk to you |
| 00:20.47 | Gnurdux | a umode? |
| 00:20.59 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:21.06 | TD-Linux | look on the 2.0 server list, there is a server called that... I'm away now |
| 00:21.26 | captrespect | I hates that freenode register thingy |
| 00:21.42 | JeffM2501 | it's called "jeff's BZFS" |
| 00:21.48 | JeffM2501 | there is more then one jeff in the world |
| 00:22.10 | DTRemenak | noooo |
| 00:22.12 | captrespect | Gnurdux, do you have the source or need any help with it? |
| 00:22.18 | DTRemenak | I thought you were the *only one*! |
| 00:22.24 | Gnurdux | captrespect, i made the plugin to do that |
| 00:22.30 | Gnurdux | and i dont need help with my own plugin |
| 00:22.33 | Gnurdux | and of course ihave the source |
| 00:22.37 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, while there CAN be only one, I sadly am not the only one |
| 00:22.38 | JeffM2501 | yet |
| 00:22.43 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:22.46 | Gnurdux | but it doesnt work on standard server, you have to edit server source too |
| 00:22.47 | zee781 | 04 dealth barrel |
| 00:22.55 | captrespect | have you done that? |
| 00:23.09 | zee781 | 04 dealth barrel |
| 00:23.11 | DTRemenak | please do not use colors here, zee781 |
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| 00:23.20 | JeffM2501 | zee781, perhaps you should use the openleauge channel |
| 00:23.21 | JeffM2501 | not ours |
| 00:23.29 | JeffM2501 | you will get more results |
| 00:23.34 | JeffM2501 | this is a development channel |
| 00:23.39 | zee781 | 011501010101 h |
| 00:23.40 | trepan | captrespect: -mts: set team score limit on each game ? |
| 00:23.48 | Gnurdux | actually he's getting laughed at in there though |
| 00:23.49 | zee781 | 04 dealth barrel |
| 00:23.53 | zee781 | ! |
| 00:23.55 | Gnurdux | zee781, dont use colors |
| 00:24.04 | Gnurdux | and wrong channel |
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| 00:24.11 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 00:24.12 | captrespect | trepan: thats the suck. It simple boots everyone when the limit is reached. |
| 00:24.31 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, we don't need you to repeat things |
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| 00:24.58 | *** kick/#bzflag [zee781!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 00:25.05 | captrespect | I was hoping to work on something like in every other online game. when the game is over go to the score list for a minute, then start a new round |
| 00:25.29 | JeffM2501 | it should not be hard for a plugin to do that |
| 00:25.33 | JeffM2501 | with the score fix |
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| 00:25.59 | captrespect | but if Gnurdux already did it.... |
| 00:26.04 | Gnurdux | no |
| 00:26.09 | Gnurdux | mine just does a gameover |
| 00:26.16 | JeffM2501 | see his is diferent |
| 00:26.18 | Gnurdux | basically like maxteamscore, but it only happens during matches |
| 00:26.27 | JeffM2501 | you'd want to manualy handle the score reset |
| 00:26.30 | Gnurdux | ye |
| 00:26.33 | JeffM2501 | it's not that hard |
| 00:26.35 | JeffM2501 | not at all |
| 00:27.06 | Gnurdux | captrespect, so what exactly do you want? |
| 00:28.27 | captrespect | just like in quake or whatever. Play to a point or time limit, when the limit is reached. Display the scores, declare the winning team. Let the players chat about it for a minute then start the new game. |
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| 00:28.46 | JeffM2501 | sadly there are not enough hooks to do that |
| 00:28.54 | JeffM2501 | nor does the client have a way to show the scores |
| 00:28.57 | JeffM2501 | or let them chat |
| 00:29.11 | JeffM2501 | you can kill them, set the scores, maybe thow some text up about it in chat |
| 00:29.18 | JeffM2501 | then reset the scores, and respawn them |
| 00:29.36 | JeffM2501 | a flow like that is why I want the ability to bump everyone to observer |
| 00:29.45 | JeffM2501 | and have the server tell clients when it's ok to spawn |
| 00:29.47 | captrespect | is that in the todo list? |
| 00:29.54 | captrespect | the observer thing I mean |
| 00:30.09 | JeffM2501 | I odn't know |
| 00:30.10 | captrespect | I'm looking for a task to jump into |
| 00:30.14 | JeffM2501 | it's just something I've wanted to do |
| 00:30.26 | JeffM2501 | something dosn't have to be in the todo for you to do it |
| 00:30.36 | JeffM2501 | I added the team swap message today |
| 00:30.55 | JeffM2501 | all that is left is just to make sure that clients know to change interface when they get set to observer |
| 00:31.07 | DTRemenak | mm, team swap |
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| 00:32.49 | larsl | JeffM2501: Could team swap be used to re-implement rabbit mode? |
| 00:33.00 | JeffM2501 | larsl, yes, that was my goal |
| 00:33.01 | DTRemenak | potentially yes |
| 00:33.08 | DTRemenak | and a mighty fine goal it is |
| 00:33.13 | DTRemenak | since they're real teams and all |
| 00:33.13 | larsl | With multiple rabbits and other goodness. |
| 00:33.17 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, acutaly I made the client handle more then one rabbit :) |
| 00:33.25 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, sweet |
| 00:33.25 | JeffM2501 | there is now an API to add and remove rabbits |
| 00:33.38 | JeffM2501 | anoit has 3 modes, swap, add, and remove |
| 00:33.42 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 00:33.44 | JeffM2501 | current rabbit mode uses swap |
| 00:33.57 | DTRemenak | ah, so you can have zombie gamestyles easily too |
| 00:34.00 | JeffM2501 | there is an API hook now to modify the rabit picked |
| 00:34.00 | DTRemenak | sweet |
| 00:34.07 | larsl | Zombie? |
| 00:34.11 | JeffM2501 | and have it do an add instead of swap |
| 00:34.15 | DTRemenak | x shoots y, y changes to x's team |
| 00:34.25 | larsl | Aah. |
| 00:34.28 | JeffM2501 | you can do it with out rabbits with the team swap too |
| 00:34.30 | larsl | And the last one standing wins. |
| 00:34.42 | JeffM2501 | wanted to set up all options |
| 00:34.44 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 00:34.49 | DTRemenak | very cool |
| 00:34.52 | JeffM2501 | there are still some assumptions that there is ONE rabbit |
| 00:34.58 | JeffM2501 | have to look into those |
| 00:35.07 | JeffM2501 | it needs testing of course |
| 00:37.37 | Gnurdux | i just thoughtup a new gamemode... |
| 00:37.46 | Gnurdux | each team starts out equal number of players |
| 00:37.50 | Gnurdux | when hit, you switch teams |
| 00:38.00 | Gnurdux | when 1 team runs out, other one wins |
| 00:38.02 | DTRemenak | ... |
| 00:38.10 | JeffM2501 | if you don't TK it'll always be the same |
| 00:38.14 | JeffM2501 | 1 for 1 swap |
| 00:38.27 | JeffM2501 | you'd not swap, but absorb them |
| 00:38.40 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 00:38.42 | JeffM2501 | and in the end, thats just ganging up on people |
| 00:38.49 | JeffM2501 | would you call it "jr. high school?" |
| 00:38.58 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, that's essentially zombie |
| 00:39.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:39.02 | Gnurdux | thats a good name for it, yeah |
| 00:39.06 | Gnurdux | DTRemenak, not quite |
| 00:39.12 | JeffM2501 | tho he's just staring 50/50 |
| 00:39.16 | Gnurdux | in Zombie, only 1 team does that |
| 00:39.20 | Gnurdux | in mine, both do |
| 00:39.25 | DTRemenak | why only one? |
| 00:39.40 | Gnurdux | cause they are the ghosts |
| 00:39.48 | Gnurdux | when a ghost kills you, you become one |
| 00:40.43 | larsl | Gnurdux: If I played that game I'd probably want to help my old teammated even when I had been hit. |
| 00:40.48 | larsl | teammates |
| 00:40.59 | Gnurdux | larsl, then you wouldnt play that game |
| 00:41.00 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:41.10 | Gnurdux | zombie is an every-man-for-himself type of game tho |
| 00:41.15 | Gnurdux | you start out with 1 zombie |
| 00:41.19 | Gnurdux | eventually they take over |
| 00:41.40 | Gnurdux | last one not zombified wins |
| 00:41.48 | larsl | So in a Jr High game there would essentially be one looser, and everyone else wins? |
| 00:41.53 | larsl | loser |
| 00:41.56 | Gnurdux | no, thats zombie |
| 00:42.01 | Gnurdux | not Jr High |
| 00:42.06 | larsl | No, in zombie there would be one winner. |
| 00:42.11 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 00:42.17 | Gnurdux | in Jr High, 1 team would take over |
| 00:42.29 | Gnurdux | no perosn would iwn |
| 00:44.07 | larsl | Is it possible to set different spawn zones for new players and killed players using the current plugin API? |
| 00:44.53 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 00:45.02 | DTRemenak | spawns can be completely controlled via the api |
| 00:45.35 | larsl | Cool. |
| 00:45.45 | larsl | You could make a dodgeball map. |
| 00:45.59 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 00:46.01 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 00:46.40 | Gnurdux | ye |
| 00:47.38 | JeffM2501 | the server sends in the proposed spawn to the api in the event, the plugin can overide it |
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| 00:48.07 | zee825 | i need main bzbb password |
| 00:48.38 | Gnurdux | zee825, i dont think JeffM2501 will give it to you |
| 00:49.38 | DTRemenak | zee825, what are you talking about? there is no "main bzbb password" |
| 00:51.18 | TD-Linux | zee825: what do you need it _for_? |
| 00:51.59 | brad | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.00 | brad | :D |
| 00:53.32 | captrespect | poor zee825 |
| 00:54.01 | brad | gets annoying after a while heh |
| 00:54.07 | brad | gimme your password!!11 |
| 00:54.32 | DTRemenak | he's either not a native english speaker, or he's a moron |
| 00:54.38 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 00:54.45 | brad | he's american |
| 00:54.49 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, why do you tell people lies!?!? |
| 00:54.54 | brad | a moron :p |
| 00:55.06 | JeffM2501 | please stop telling people things that are not true |
| 00:55.40 | TD-Linux | this lecture sounds familiar... I think I've got it before |
| 00:55.42 | JeffM2501 | he'll be easy to deal with |
| 00:55.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah I wonder why |
| 00:56.01 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:56.15 | JeffM2501 | it's going to stop soon |
| 00:56.17 | DTRemenak | TD-Linux, some people get it the first time, some people keep getting it over and over |
| 00:56.19 | JeffM2501 | one way or another |
| 00:56.29 | DTRemenak | or should I say, not getting it |
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| 01:05.08 | captrespect | you guys use any C++ ide in linux? |
| 01:05.26 | larsl | XEmacs + gnome-terminal |
| 01:05.50 | captrespect | emacs bleh |
| 01:05.55 | TD-Linux | KDevelop |
| 01:06.08 | DTRemenak | vi |
| 01:06.09 | larsl | captrespect: There are a couple. KDevelop, Anjuta, Eclipse. |
| 01:06.13 | captrespect | kdevelop also bleh |
| 01:06.32 | DTRemenak | bash is my ide ;) |
| 01:06.37 | JeffM2501 | anjunta was nice |
| 01:06.38 | menotume | yay bash |
| 01:06.39 | JeffM2501 | when I tried it |
| 01:06.45 | captrespect | I was thinking of installing the eclipse plugin |
| 01:07.11 | captrespect | since I use it for my java development. but that seems wrong |
| 01:07.14 | TD-Linux | haven't coded C++ at all lately, but I used xemacs when I did |
| 01:07.45 | JeffM2501 | wonder if VC runs under wine |
| 01:07.48 | captrespect | I've looked at all them, I was hoping I was missing one |
| 01:08.17 | TD-Linux | VC++ 6 + wine ? |
| 01:08.21 | captrespect | that's crazy |
| 01:08.30 | JeffM2501 | 6, heck no |
| 01:08.33 | JeffM2501 | 7.1 or 8 |
| 01:08.39 | DTRemenak | vc6 does run in wine |
| 01:08.40 | TD-Linux | I don't think those run in wine |
| 01:08.55 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, why not? |
| 01:08.57 | DTRemenak | haven't tried 7.1 recently, it didn't a while ago |
| 01:09.13 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, MS uses all sorts of undocumented junk in visual studio |
| 01:09.21 | DTRemenak | it's a MAJOR pain to get them to work |
| 01:09.27 | JeffM2501 | I know, I'm just wondering what he was basing it on |
| 01:09.34 | JeffM2501 | I'v been using 8 a bit lately |
| 01:09.36 | JeffM2501 | it's not so bad |
| 01:09.56 | JeffM2501 | reminds me to make sure 8 has all the new files |
| 01:10.09 | DTRemenak | I like 8 |
| 01:10.24 | DTRemenak | some of the default options suck |
| 01:10.29 | JeffM2501 | that is a truth |
| 01:10.36 | TD-Linux | so microsoft hasn't fully grasped the idea that each new version should be better than the last? |
| 01:10.39 | JeffM2501 | and some of the things are in a slightly difrent place then in 7.1 |
| 01:10.39 | DTRemenak | but it can be configured into a very nice ide |
| 01:10.52 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, umm for VC they have been |
| 01:11.04 | JeffM2501 | 6 < 7.1 < 8.0 |
| 01:11.10 | DTRemenak | TD-Linux, VC8's compiler is leaps and bounds ahead of 7.1's |
| 01:11.17 | TD-Linux | okay |
| 01:11.19 | JeffM2501 | and the 7.1 one is way better then 6 |
| 01:11.21 | DTRemenak | the editor and ide are really minor improvements |
| 01:11.28 | JeffM2501 | the debugers are kick ass |
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| 01:11.36 | JeffM2501 | I hate going back to 6 |
| 01:11.39 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:11.44 | JeffM2501 | stupid VMMs |
| 01:14.00 | JeffM2501 | I wish I could figure out the libcurl problem in 64bit windos |
| 01:14.13 | JeffM2501 | may have to do a boundschecker on it |
| 01:14.46 | DTRemenak | what's it do, just crash? |
| 01:14.54 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:14.57 | JeffM2501 | it's wiered |
| 01:15.03 | JeffM2501 | debuger throws an assert |
| 01:15.20 | JeffM2501 | says the code near some memory space is changed or croupt |
| 01:15.27 | JeffM2501 | you hit ignore and it goes along |
| 01:15.36 | JeffM2501 | even uses curl to get the list |
| 01:15.45 | JeffM2501 | if I debug it I can't see what is "bad" |
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| 01:46.19 | Gnurdux | menotume, sometimes the leaguesite for openleague goes white, and you need to reset browser. Mr_Molez says its a bug in your code |
| 01:50.34 | blast007 | Gnurdux: 'reset' your browser? |
| 01:50.46 | Gnurdux | close and start a new one |
| 01:50.51 | Gnurdux | refresh doesnt work |
| 01:50.58 | Gnurdux | and neither does retyping URL |
| 01:51.14 | blast007 | any specific browser? |
| 01:51.29 | Gnurdux | i know firefox |
| 01:51.32 | Gnurdux | dunno about others |
| 01:51.55 | blast007 | is it reporducable, or just random? |
| 01:52.03 | Gnurdux | not reproduceable |
| 01:52.12 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez knows more about it than i do |
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| 01:53.08 | Mr_Molez | blast007: happens on ducati league site aswell |
| 01:53.24 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, firefox only? |
| 01:53.32 | Gnurdux | and does ducati still exist? |
| 01:53.33 | Mr_Molez | not sure, i only ever use firefox |
| 01:53.38 | orange | Gnurdux: why did you bring it up rather than Mr_Molez, if he knows more about it? Just curious. |
| 01:54.08 | Gnurdux | cause i experienced the problem and he didnt bring it up, but he told me a bit about it |
| 01:54.54 | Gnurdux | also: menotume it would be useful if CTF league supported remembering password |
| 01:55.14 | CBG | can't your OS do that? |
| 02:02.50 | Gnurdux | you mean browser? it can remember it, but not autologin |
| 02:09.15 | Legoguy | so, i just got my new 5.1 speakers, does bzflag support 5.1, never had occasion to look before X-D |
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| 02:09.37 | DTRemenak | no, stereo only |
| 02:09.58 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy, if I finihs my stuff it may |
| 02:10.01 | JeffM2501 | in windows |
| 02:10.08 | Legoguy | oh poo, im in linux |
| 02:10.19 | Legoguy | thats alright |
| 02:10.21 | spldart | I like the shots and rockets... the laser's are meh, ok. 'head experimental' My 2 cents |
| 02:10.24 | Legoguy | ill just use prologic II |
| 02:10.27 | JeffM2501 | in linux it's not easy to use the sound hardware for it |
| 02:10.36 | Legoguy | alsa should make it pretty easy no? |
| 02:10.40 | DTRemenak | openal ftw |
| 02:10.43 | Legoguy | common api :/ |
| 02:10.46 | JeffM2501 | IIRC alsa dosn't have 3d |
| 02:10.50 | Legoguy | .. |
| 02:10.51 | JeffM2501 | openAL does |
| 02:11.02 | DTRemenak | only on certain hardware though |
| 02:11.10 | DTRemenak | if you've got an emu10kx chip you're set |
| 02:11.12 | Legoguy | audigy's? |
| 02:11.15 | Legoguy | alright then |
| 02:11.16 | Legoguy | \m/ |
| 02:11.18 | DTRemenak | SB Live, Audigy, etc |
| 02:11.23 | Legoguy | yep, thats me |
| 02:11.30 | DTRemenak | are all emu10k/emu10k1/emu10k2 |
| 02:11.40 | JeffM2501 | with my changes, it would not be hard to put a dropin openAL sound system |
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| 02:11.52 | JeffM2501 | it does sound system abstration |
| 02:11.52 | DTRemenak | openal support would be way cool |
| 02:12.07 | JeffM2501 | I'm gonna do FMOD cus it does the streams |
| 02:12.12 | DTRemenak | could offload a lot of the work our "sound engine" is doing to it |
| 02:12.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:12.33 | JeffM2501 | I have it set up now to be at a higher level then the 3d calcs |
| 02:12.35 | DTRemenak | fmod's license is too strange to use for bzflag, sadly |
| 02:12.37 | JeffM2501 | so I can offload that to fmod |
| 02:12.42 | JeffM2501 | hence why it's optional |
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| 02:12.56 | JeffM2501 | I'll probalby only be able to ship it in windows binarys |
| 02:12.57 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 02:13.04 | JeffM2501 | but the abstration will be there |
| 02:13.06 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 02:13.09 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 02:13.12 | Legoguy | aww |
| 02:13.28 | JeffM2501 | but fmod dosn't do hardware 3d on linux |
| 02:13.32 | DTRemenak | Legoguy, if we do OpenAL we can distribute that with everything. just fmod is wierd |
| 02:13.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:13.38 | Legoguy | oh ok |
| 02:13.39 | Legoguy | lol |
| 02:13.42 | JeffM2501 | I just don't know openAL |
| 02:13.48 | JeffM2501 | but I'm leaving it open for it |
| 02:13.55 | DTRemenak | it's a pretty nice framework, all things considered |
| 02:13.57 | JeffM2501 | openAL dosn't do the streams |
| 02:14.02 | DTRemenak | no |
| 02:14.04 | JeffM2501 | so tha will suck |
| 02:14.44 | Legoguy | ill tell you what though, the subwoofer on these logitech z5500's is HUGE, not to mention powerful, lol, i cant imagine explosions in bzflag... well, at least, if the sounds are 'remastered' or new ones are picked/made |
| 02:14.46 | DTRemenak | it's relatively easy to add streaming support in |
| 02:14.52 | DTRemenak | see for instance http://www.devmaster.net/articles/openal-tutorials/lesson8.php |
| 02:14.53 | JeffM2501 | if you say so |
| 02:15.48 | JeffM2501 | what I'd love to see is runtime selectable sound systems :) |
| 02:16.32 | JeffM2501 | a machine with a crap onboard sound my have openAL installed, but be ok with the cheap fast platform sound |
| 02:16.53 | DTRemenak | openal downgrades nicely, that's part of the appeal |
| 02:16.58 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 02:17.06 | DTRemenak | don't have surround, it doesn't use it |
| 02:17.13 | DTRemenak | have EAX, it uses it |
| 02:17.17 | JeffM2501 | does it map to directX on windows? or need an openAL compatable driver? |
| 02:17.46 | DTRemenak | I don't remember quite how it works. It doesn't require a new audio driver though, so it probably runs through directx |
| 02:18.07 | JeffM2501 | hope it lets direct sound do the 3d |
| 02:18.17 | JeffM2501 | IIRC at one point it didn't |
| 02:18.20 | JeffM2501 | but that may have changed |
| 02:18.32 | JeffM2501 | I do wish fmod had a better license |
| 02:18.38 | JeffM2501 | the new API is so very nice |
| 02:19.28 | blast007 | wonder if my sound card with a Crystal Soundfusion chip will work with OpenAL ;) |
| 02:19.49 | DTRemenak | "OpenAL can make use of streaming to continuously play music back in the background. OpenAL also supports the use of DirectSound3D and EAX in Windows." |
| 02:19.56 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 02:20.04 | JeffM2501 | tho what kind of streams/decoders does it have? |
| 02:20.20 | JeffM2501 | I'd hope at least ogg |
| 02:20.28 | DTRemenak | no decoders, just raw streams. that's why I was saing "easy to add streaming support in" |
| 02:20.33 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 02:20.34 | DTRemenak | need to bind ogg to it yourself |
| 02:20.47 | DTRemenak | s/saing/saying |
| 02:20.52 | JeffM2501 | and whatever needed to do icecast and shoutcast |
| 02:20.55 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 02:21.12 | DTRemenak | more work than fmod since it's not built in, but not all that difficult |
| 02:21.15 | JeffM2501 | those are probalby the reasons fmod isn't open under a source license |
| 02:21.22 | DTRemenak | could be |
| 02:21.39 | JeffM2501 | or the fear that it would be ganked |
| 02:21.57 | JeffM2501 | for comercial windows sound libs fmod and miles are the 2 big ones |
| 02:22.06 | DTRemenak | miles is all over the place |
| 02:22.12 | JeffM2501 | mikes rocks |
| 02:22.16 | JeffM2501 | and rocks hard |
| 02:22.18 | DTRemenak | openal actually gets used commercially more than you might think |
| 02:22.22 | JeffM2501 | it does |
| 02:22.26 | JeffM2501 | I've seen it in some |
| 02:22.30 | JeffM2501 | not as many as miles |
| 02:22.37 | DTRemenak | it's a little too free in that sense, you can just build it in to your engine directly |
| 02:22.45 | DTRemenak | nobody need even know it's there |
| 02:22.52 | JeffM2501 | just like openGL :) |
| 02:22.55 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 02:23.03 | JeffM2501 | most MMOs seem to do miles tho |
| 02:23.16 | JeffM2501 | seen some that do fmod |
| 02:23.22 | DTRemenak | gw uses directsound directly, afaict |
| 02:23.32 | DTRemenak | with odd hooks for music |
| 02:23.43 | JeffM2501 | do they do dynamic music? |
| 02:23.45 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 02:23.54 | JeffM2501 | there is a directmusic API |
| 02:23.56 | JeffM2501 | it's not bad |
| 02:24.01 | DTRemenak | it's tied in to a 3rd party library called directsong, not using directmusic |
| 02:24.11 | JeffM2501 | dsound is the least sucky of the "direct" APIs |
| 02:24.24 | DTRemenak | that's true enough :) |
| 02:24.32 | JeffM2501 | dplay is the suckyest |
| 02:24.36 | DTRemenak | dinput and dplay are terrible |
| 02:24.57 | DTRemenak | dinner, gtg |
| 02:24.59 | JeffM2501 | ddraw isn't too bad for 2d |
| 02:25.01 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 02:25.50 | JeffM2501 | so yes Legoguy you may be able to get 5.1 in 2.2 :) |
| 02:26.10 | JeffM2501 | right now bz does all it's own mixing, and isn't even using your 3d audio hardware |
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| 05:09.07 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (AutoHunt.cxx AutoHunt.h RadarRenderer.cxx): |
| 05:09.07 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - setup wacky marker defaults |
| 05:09.07 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - invert blink ratio definition |
| 05:09.07 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - change debug level to 2 |
| 05:09.07 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - fix the debug listing |
| 05:10.43 | trepan | i've got a much nicer file based system for defining markers, so all that's probably going to disappear anyways :) |
| 05:11.27 | trepan | combines scoreboard, viewport, and radar markers along with conditions |
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| 09:19.52 | Deepa | darn |
| 09:19.57 | Deepa | my sis stole the computer |
| 09:19.58 | Deepa | :/ |
| 09:20.03 | Deepa | now i cant watch anime >.< |
| 09:20.15 | Deepa | oi, freenode |
| 09:20.17 | Deepa | sry wrong chan :) |
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| 09:45.11 | ruskie | Deepa, lol |
| 09:45.35 | Deepa | :) |
| 09:49.30 | Birdie | remove pls:http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8098 |
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| 14:15.35 | TheRedBaron | ~seen l4m3r |
| 14:15.46 | ibot | l4m3r <n=Chris@s122-222.resnet.ucla.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 15h 30m 32s ago, saying: 'wow'. |
| 14:16.44 | captrespect | wow |
| 14:16.54 | CBG | TheRedBaron: he's on almost every evening.. |
| 14:17.00 | CBG | or probably afternoon for you... |
| 14:17.15 | TheRedBaron | What coast is he on? do you know? |
| 14:17.23 | CBG | west |
| 14:17.40 | TheRedBaron | yea, he's either still in bed, or on his way to work |
| 14:17.53 | CBG | or class ;) |
| 14:18.13 | TheRedBaron | class? what is that? ;) |
| 14:18.22 | CBG | hehe :p |
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| 15:18.30 | spldart | Mr_Molez ping |
| 15:25.08 | spldart | Well... I'll just through out to tidbits to be found later |
| 15:26.03 | spldart | >Mr Molez... the auto install ati driver didn't through out the an error message that it needed source and headers for the kernel installed. I got them and installed manually and bam it works had to modprobe the fglrx after that |
| 15:28.48 | spldart | > Dev's, if interested... ATI 9600 with current 6.8 drivers on 6.9 X running yesterdays BZ Head on Legoland with settings 800x600 all options max and set expermintal I get 170's crusing around and 70's with lots of action |
| 15:29.17 | spldart | One issue.. the main menu is kinda blocky translucent and hard to read.... all the sub menu's seem fine |
| 15:29.29 | spldart | don't know if that's a but or not |
| 15:29.34 | spldart | but=bug |
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| 15:32.51 | spldart | hrm.. ran it a second time and the menu sorted out it seems... dunno |
| 15:36.40 | spldart | Props on SW too :) I like |
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| 15:38.15 | JeffM2501 | some of the ATI cards don't like the text we do |
| 15:38.22 | JeffM2501 | but I thought that was mostly older cards |
| 15:48.22 | spldart | It's still sorted so maybe it's on my end |
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| 15:48.47 | spldart | I'm impressed with the work done on 2.1 though :) |
| 15:53.43 | ToughShooter | I will be impressed, when 2.1 server detects skinny tanks and speeders correct |
| 15:57.02 | Mr_Molez | spldart: cool |
| 16:06.32 | JeffM2501 | I'll be impressed when somone does server side hits, and I see how they do a good server/client lag sync |
| 16:07.09 | JeffM2501 | have to finish the can spawn message too |
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| 16:53.31 | I_Died_Once | yay, David Lee Roth is going to join up with Van Halen again |
| 16:53.47 | spldart | OMG! |
| 16:54.12 | I_Died_Once | "Take off my Van Helen T-Shirt before you jinx the band and they break up" |
| 16:55.18 | spldart | lol |
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| 17:30.24 | TheRedBaron | anyone rather familiar with the code of l4m3r's "Steal the bacon" |
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| 17:33.44 | CBG | TheRedBaron: what "code" ? |
| 17:34.01 | CBG | The actualy source code for the concept? |
| 17:34.04 | TheRedBaron | his Steal the bacon plugin |
| 17:34.05 | CBG | actual* |
| 17:34.11 | TheRedBaron | or whatever it is |
| 17:34.41 | CBG | L4M3r will be online later, I guess... |
| 17:34.45 | JeffM2501 | wasn't it a server mod? |
| 17:35.06 | TheRedBaron | I specified code, because I wasn't sure if it was a mod or a plugin |
| 17:35.11 | TheRedBaron | but whatever it was, i'm interested |
| 18:01.53 | CBG | I gots some feature requests for the chat-window... |
| 18:02.37 | CBG | 1) Enable faster-scrolling, or alow the user to jump between top, bottom and any markers (see point 2.). |
| 18:03.31 | CBG | 2) Allow the user to enter a "Marker" to the chat window with a key or key-combination and this could show up as a small mark to the left of the chat-window (where the funky scroll bar thing is...). |
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| 18:05.59 | trepan | CBG: you can already control the scrolling speed |
| 18:06.36 | trepan | ex: bind "Page Up" down "scrollpanel up_page", bind "Ctrl+Page Up" down "scrollpanel up 5" |
| 18:06.58 | CBG | oho, nice |
| 18:07.18 | trepan | scrollpanel ctrls: usage: scrollpanel {up|up_page|down|down_page|top|bottom} [count] |
| 18:07.51 | trepan | and while you're waiting for someone to do the markers for ya, try /highlight <string> |
| 18:12.52 | CBG | highlight is nice, but markers would still be great |
| 18:13.09 | CBG | and the scrolling is great, but could be more widely documented, i guess. |
| 18:14.13 | CBG | /highlight should work for more than one thing too, imho |
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| 18:25.00 | CBG | L4m3r, TheRedBaron, ping... |
| 18:25.09 | L4m3r | huh? |
| 18:25.29 | TheRedBaron | l4m3r, just the man i was waiting for |
| 18:25.38 | L4m3r | uh oh |
| 18:25.42 | L4m3r | what did I do? |
| 18:26.12 | TheRedBaron | :) |
| 18:26.50 | CBG | L4m3r: you mean "I didn't do nothing, you can't prove it! |
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| 18:42.57 | smallfoot- | hey |
| 18:43.09 | smallfoot- | is there any desert or snow world? |
| 18:43.26 | smallfoot- | btw, i just got 2.0.8 i didnt know it was out, its great :D |
| 18:44.00 | L4m3r | I'm working on a desert world but it won't be done for a while |
| 18:44.17 | trepan | aribeth's giza |
| 18:46.40 | CBG | There is a snow world, iirc, with a 007 feel/theme too. |
| 18:47.51 | CBG | And also, Snow Land, by ^nightmare^** - bzflag.norang.ca:5158 |
| 18:49.11 | smallfoot- | serrver can have own textures that the client download on connect? |
| 18:50.03 | brad | yup |
| 18:50.45 | smallfoot- | cool |
| 18:50.53 | smallfoot- | there should be a map competition |
| 18:51.05 | CBG | There was. BZOGami - seard the bzbb. |
| 18:51.07 | smallfoot- | to spurr people into making good maps |
| 18:51.10 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 18:51.13 | CBG | s/seard/search |
| 18:52.24 | TheRedBaron | smallfoot-: no need to spurr people into making maps |
| 18:52.38 | TheRedBaron | you just need to train the eager mappers with "how" to make "good" maps |
| 18:53.19 | CBG | and what makes a map 'good'. |
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| 18:59.21 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 18:59.25 | smallfoot- | i think should be awards for best maps |
| 18:59.33 | L4m3r | there are |
| 18:59.38 | L4m3r | they're called "hosting" :P |
| 18:59.41 | smallfoot- | like the guy on forum who make the best map can get a star or ribbon or medal |
| 19:00.16 | TheRedBaron | ~L4m3r++ |
| 19:03.39 | smallfoot- | there should be an incensitive (?) to make maps |
| 19:03.48 | smallfoot- | like motivate people to make really good ones |
| 19:04.00 | smallfoot- | make people spend alot of time and effort to try todo one as good as possible :) |
| 19:04.10 | smallfoot- | also, i miss a feature... |
| 19:04.18 | smallfoot- | when i use "All" tab, then I dont see the chatting... |
| 19:04.28 | smallfoot- | when I use "Chat" tab, then I dont see the kills I make on others |
| 19:05.15 | L4m3r | Most people do try to make good maps, and the good ones get hosted. |
| 19:05.18 | smallfoot- | The "All" tab shows many unnescesary info such as frags made by team mates to other guys, and others guys on my team mates, so i cant see the chatting or my kills |
| 19:05.27 | L4m3r | And then, the REALLY good ones actually get played. :P |
| 19:05.49 | smallfoot- | i think it should be a setting to "Only shows frags by me or on me" |
| 19:05.54 | smallfoot- | or "Hide frags by others" |
| 19:06.02 | CBG | You get respect for making maps and the better they are, the more respect you gte. |
| 19:06.12 | smallfoot- | ok cool |
| 19:06.29 | CBG | Like, Louman makes great maps (well, to look at at least) and is considered a god by many :) |
| 19:06.36 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 19:07.13 | smallfoot- | but i want maps to look alot different, like "Arctic winter with ice", "hell with red hot lava and smoking hot fire with smoke" |
| 19:07.26 | CBG | ~pw |
| 19:07.28 | ibot | well, patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 19:07.37 | smallfoot- | :( |
| 19:07.56 | smallfoot- | and like "sweaty hot desert with sand" :D |
| 19:08.05 | CBG | It would be kinda possible with moving textures... |
| 19:08.43 | smallfoot- | also when i shoot team mate, it become "ioh" pig sound, its very veyr annoying sound effect lol |
| 19:08.56 | CBG | heh |
| 19:09.30 | CBG | look up "textureMatrix" and "dynamicColor" :) |
| 19:09.43 | CBG | might be able to make some lava-like stuff with those |
| 19:10.02 | CBG | here is the man for .bzw: http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5.in |
| 19:12.16 | smallfoot- | im a noob |
| 19:12.28 | smallfoot- | i always got -20 minus score when i play |
| 19:12.35 | CBG | Keep trying :) |
| 19:12.50 | PuMpErNiCkEl | smallfoot-: You're welcome. :D |
| 19:14.16 | smallfoot- | i also got kicked for accidently killing too many team mates :( |
| 19:14.16 | smallfoot- | i was the other teams best player :( |
| 19:20.31 | PuMpErNiCkEl | Ah well, you'll get better, if you keep playing. |
| 19:20.53 | PuMpErNiCkEl | Try observing a high-scoring player sometime - it's interesting to see their strategy. |
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| 19:37.22 | SC-phone | Happy Birthday, [dmp]!! |
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| 20:09.16 | CBG | I got make errors: http://pastebin.ca/59105 |
| 20:09.42 | CBG | Could be that I have QuickTime 7.1, I guess... |
| 20:10.06 | JeffM2501 | your on 10.3? |
| 20:10.18 | CBG | .9 yes |
| 20:10.30 | JeffM2501 | then yes you have to downdate your Quicktime |
| 20:10.47 | CBG | back to 7.0.2 ? |
| 20:11.21 | JeffM2501 | I'm no sure of the exact version |
| 20:11.22 | CBG | GarageBand requires a later version than 7.0.2, but not sure if thats 7.1 or something in between. |
| 20:11.40 | JeffM2501 | brlcad said there was a downdate on the website |
| 20:11.47 | JeffM2501 | it may be something inbetween |
| 20:12.08 | CBG | Well, I had this conversation a while back and downgraded from 7.0.4 to 7.0.2 |
| 20:12.33 | CBG | everything was fine till I GarageBand said I needed a more uptodate version of QT... |
| 20:12.36 | JeffM2501 | then back up to 7.1 ? |
| 20:12.40 | CBG | so I'm now on QT 7.1 |
| 20:12.50 | JeffM2501 | probably has the same problem |
| 20:13.06 | JeffM2501 | the newer QTs link with stuff in 10.4 |
| 20:13.09 | CBG | is it a QT problem or a bzflag problem? |
| 20:13.16 | JeffM2501 | nether |
| 20:13.21 | JeffM2501 | it's how apple built it |
| 20:13.26 | JeffM2501 | it's a library version problem |
| 20:13.36 | JeffM2501 | apple built the newer QT's with GCC4.0 libs |
| 20:13.42 | JeffM2501 | SDL uses qt |
| 20:13.42 | CBG | ok, getting 10.4 would fix it? |
| 20:13.48 | JeffM2501 | bzflag uses SDL |
| 20:13.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah I am fine on 10.4 with current QT |
| 20:14.06 | CBG | but with 10.3, I can't have it both ways (using garageband and building bzflag)..? |
| 20:14.14 | JeffM2501 | sounds like it |
| 20:14.24 | CBG | bah, that sucks. :( |
| 20:14.34 | JeffM2501 | it's just how apple did it |
| 20:16.39 | JeffM2501 | the new QT probably needs something in the gcc4.0 |
| 20:16.54 | JeffM2501 | and it works as a binary, just not when linking back in 10.3 |
| 20:16.59 | CBG | bummer... |
| 20:17.06 | JeffM2501 | and since they want people to upgrade..... |
| 20:17.15 | CBG | Id get 10.4, but it costs money. :| |
| 20:17.32 | JeffM2501 | welcome to the world of non open source :) |
| 20:17.38 | CBG | heh :) |
| 20:17.56 | JeffM2501 | if you wanted free OSs then shouldn't have goten a mac ;) |
| 20:18.08 | JeffM2501 | what does 10.4 run these days? |
| 20:18.14 | CBG | I didn't say I wanted free OS :P |
| 20:18.26 | JeffM2501 | then go steal it |
| 20:18.31 | CBG | I'm just not comfortable having to pay to upgrade right now. |
| 20:18.36 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:18.55 | JeffM2501 | I keep pondering the upgrade to iLife |
| 20:19.01 | CBG | just went throuhg about 4 family birthdays in the last month... nows not a good time. |
| 20:19.13 | CBG | iLife isn't all that. |
| 20:19.18 | CBG | iWeb sucks for a start. |
| 20:19.36 | CBG | And I don't see much improvement to GarageBand, if any... :| |
| 20:19.41 | JeffM2501 | hence why I have not been tested :) |
| 20:19.43 | JeffM2501 | tempted |
| 20:19.47 | JeffM2501 | don't need the web stuff |
| 20:19.47 | CBG | and iTunes upgrades are free anyway, right? |
| 20:19.53 | JeffM2501 | have full adobe CS2 |
| 20:20.02 | CBG | ah, lucky begger :P |
| 20:20.22 | JeffM2501 | not luck, it's part of my job |
| 20:20.47 | TD-Linux | on 2.1, could the random wind that is blowing the flags be weighted to favor directions that make the flags face the viewer? |
| 20:20.50 | CBG | privileged beggar..? |
| 20:20.50 | JeffM2501 | I do some of the artwork for our product |
| 20:21.06 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, not very realistic |
| 20:21.17 | JeffM2501 | why not go back to the old billboards then |
| 20:21.29 | TD-Linux | I'm just saying to weight the wind |
| 20:21.38 | CBG | btw, single user Tiger is £89, probably about $160 I guess. |
| 20:21.45 | JeffM2501 | and make it constantly change? |
| 20:21.47 | JeffM2501 | as you turn? |
| 20:21.50 | TD-Linux | no |
| 20:22.06 | TD-Linux | perhaps gradually |
| 20:22.07 | JeffM2501 | then what direction "faces" the viewer? |
| 20:22.24 | JeffM2501 | it would be wierd to see the flags spin |
| 20:22.28 | JeffM2501 | it'd be like the old way |
| 20:22.30 | TD-Linux | yes it would... |
| 20:22.38 | JeffM2501 | so just go back to the old way |
| 20:22.43 | TD-Linux | but they spin already in the wind, kindof |
| 20:23.06 | JeffM2501 | I think the wind should blow tward the winning team's base :) |
| 20:23.14 | TD-Linux | what I wannnt is that each time a new wind direction is calculated, just favor directions that would cause the flag to be parallel to a line coming out the center of the viewpoint less |
| 20:23.32 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: I like that idea :) |
| 20:23.33 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, as soon as you moved that would be invalid |
| 20:23.39 | TD-Linux | I know |
| 20:23.48 | JeffM2501 | so what's the point? |
| 20:23.51 | JeffM2501 | just deal with it |
| 20:23.58 | JeffM2501 | it's not like you have to see the flag face |
| 20:24.02 | JeffM2501 | they are all the same |
| 20:24.07 | TD-Linux | how about making the flags brighter then? They are rather dim |
| 20:24.17 | JeffM2501 | they are properly lit |
| 20:24.30 | JeffM2501 | how about you just go back to the old way, since that seems like what you like |
| 20:24.42 | JeffM2501 | I think they look perfectly fine |
| 20:24.45 | TD-Linux | hmm, no, this way is better... |
| 20:24.59 | TD-Linux | I just have a hard time seeing them on some maps while in shadow |
| 20:25.06 | JeffM2501 | I tink that's the point |
| 20:25.16 | JeffM2501 | you have your radar |
| 20:25.18 | JeffM2501 | use it ;) |
| 20:25.22 | TD-Linux | the colored markers are nice |
| 20:26.27 | TD-Linux | aare the flags done using physics with springs on each vertex? They look like that... |
| 20:26.50 | JeffM2501 | I don't know how he did them |
| 20:27.01 | JeffM2501 | there are a number of ways to do wavy cloth sim |
| 20:27.24 | JeffM2501 | the UT flag wave is amazing |
| 20:27.31 | TD-Linux | it looks like a lot of polygons are in the flag, but it probably looks that way just because of the gourald shading |
| 20:27.46 | JeffM2501 | blending you mean? |
| 20:28.25 | JeffM2501 | noone says Gouraud any more :) |
| 20:28.51 | TD-Linux | what did he do? Insult OpenGL? |
| 20:29.00 | purple_cow | that's because it's spelled "gourad" |
| 20:29.01 | JeffM2501 | no it's just kind of the default |
| 20:29.28 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, wikipedia disagrees with you |
| 20:29.34 | JeffM2501 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gouraud_shading |
| 20:29.37 | TD-Linux | either way it's spelled, I can't pronounce it :) |
| 20:29.59 | JeffM2501 | every modern card does blending just about as fast as flat |
| 20:30.03 | purple_cow | ah yes, wikipedia. the democratic answer |
| 20:30.03 | JeffM2501 | so it's kind of the default |
| 20:30.35 | TD-Linux | though not for boxes and pyramids, it seems |
| 20:31.28 | TD-Linux | but it's obviously gour...blending when a shot passes and illuminates it |
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| 20:33.01 | RPG_ | ~bzcvs |
| 20:33.03 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 20:33.10 | RPG_ | ~cvs |
| 20:33.12 | ibot | somebody said cvs was concurrent versions systems. more info here http://www.cvshome.org/. The asterisk CVS is no more. Please see svn. |
| 20:33.46 | RPG_ | darn you |
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| 20:33.53 | purple_cow | wow |
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| 20:36.42 | TD-Linux | ~svn |
| 20:36.44 | ibot | well, subversion is version control software. see http://subversion.tigris.org/ it aims to be a better CVS than CVS. |
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| 20:42.06 | captrespect | ~svn+= |
| 20:42.10 | captrespect | ~svn++ |
| 20:42.15 | captrespect | bleh |
| 20:43.07 | SC-phone | jeffm2501: mozul just got interviewed by channel 29 |
| 20:43.18 | SC-phone | lol |
| 20:44.05 | CBG | I'm scared to ask what kinda channel that is. :P hehe |
| 20:44.12 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, but I trust wikipedia's spelling over my own ;) |
| 20:44.16 | JeffM2501 | SC-phone, cool |
| 20:46.52 | SC-phone | yup |
| 20:47.19 | SC-phone | too bad we'll probably never see it - we don't get that channel foa |
| 20:47.37 | JeffM2501 | a local one? |
| 20:47.52 | JeffM2501 | you can ask them to send you a copy of it |
| 20:47.59 | SC-phone | think so - but valley |
| 20:48.33 | SC-phone | we barely get la stations |
| 20:49.00 | JeffM2501 | I never go that low on the channels :) |
| 20:49.10 | JeffM2501 | 200+ or nothin |
| 20:49.27 | SC-phone | jeff: the only cable we have is internet..not tv :) |
| 20:49.38 | JeffM2501 | I don't have cable ether |
| 20:49.58 | SC-phone | we don't have satellite either :p |
| 20:50.12 | SC-phone | free-over-the-air :) |
| 20:50.13 | JeffM2501 | then why even bother waching TV :) |
| 20:50.23 | SC-phone | netflix! |
| 21:42.56 | ndim | S010600045ae0d580 was the serial number of a $100 bill? |
| 21:43.19 | JeffM2501 | it wasn't cash,it was electronic |
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| 21:49.14 | JeffM2501 | and it just finished downloading :) |
| 21:49.39 | ndim | Then you at least got some value out of that $100. |
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| 21:51.11 | ndim | Ones and zeros, I presume. |
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| 21:54.37 | SC-phone | hey twitch |
| 21:59.33 | twitch_ | hey sc. |
| 21:59.35 | twitch_ | 'sup? |
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| 22:01.44 | twitch_ | urm... dreaming about driving home. |
| 22:01.52 | SC-phone | hehe |
| 22:02.08 | SC-phone | we've been driving home since 8 am |
| 22:02.19 | twitch_ | better than dreaming about it since 8am |
| 22:02.31 | SC-phone | true, I guess |
| 22:02.40 | JeffM2501 | text files |
| 22:02.48 | JeffM2501 | and some images |
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| 22:42.41 | Tropican8 | How much lag does a GM lock-on consume? |
| 22:42.56 | a-delusion | bandwidth. |
| 22:43.11 | a-delusion | willl twenty players all with gm cause lag. |
| 22:43.13 | Tropican8 | les bandwidth |
| 22:43.32 | Tropican8 | eh keyboard screwed up |
| 22:43.43 | Tropican8 | yes I meant bandwidth |
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| 22:51.26 | JeffM2501 | it sends out a couple more updates |
| 22:51.38 | JeffM2501 | it's realy a per shot thing, not a per player thing |
| 22:52.22 | Tropican8 | so a number of GMed players locking on would not create an unplayable amount of lag? |
| 22:52.57 | JeffM2501 | probably not |
| 22:53.01 | JeffM2501 | they are small updates |
| 22:53.09 | JBdiGriz | lag is more of a distance from tne server to the client. |
| 22:53.22 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:53.23 | a-delusion | does each re-lock create more updates? |
| 22:53.35 | JeffM2501 | it would only be an issue if you flooded your pipe |
| 22:53.47 | JeffM2501 | it's not a lock thing it's an update thing |
| 22:53.55 | a-delusion | is it the lock-on, or the shots themselves? |
| 22:53.57 | JBdiGriz | Adding more traffic to that distance might cause jitter, as would CPU overload. |
| 22:53.57 | JeffM2501 | when locked your client has to end out GM updates |
| 22:54.09 | a-delusion | i see |
| 22:54.09 | JeffM2501 | each shot has updates |
| 22:54.19 | JeffM2501 | so each time the shot has to turn... it's an update |
| 22:54.58 | a-delusion | that explains it quite nicely, thanks |
| 22:55.32 | JeffM2501 | now if you had so many shot updates, you flooded out a client's pipe, he may seem to lag, or get packetloss |
| 22:55.36 | JeffM2501 | or if you flood out the server |
| 22:55.47 | JeffM2501 | then everyone may seem to lag or get packet loss |
| 22:55.56 | JeffM2501 | how many are you looking at doing? |
| 22:56.00 | JBdiGriz | packet loss, or jitter. It might appear to be lag if it continues for a long time, but unlikely. |
| 22:56.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah you'd have to REALY be pumping out updates, |
| 22:56.27 | JeffM2501 | or somone on a very narrow pipe |
| 22:56.34 | JeffM2501 | like if you host on dialup.. maybe |
| 22:56.55 | JBdiGriz | someone on a narrow pipe will appear to lag already. That's part of the distance from the server to the client. |
| 22:57.10 | JeffM2501 | I'm saying if they get flooded out, they may seem to lag more |
| 22:57.14 | JeffM2501 | due to the flood |
| 22:57.22 | a-delusion | we were gonna put maybe 20 players , nothing but GM, but on a fat pipe |
| 22:57.27 | JeffM2501 | shold be fine |
| 22:57.41 | JeffM2501 | if your on dialup your laggy anyway ;) |
| 22:57.45 | a-delusion | ok, now if we only had a map |
| 22:57.53 | JeffM2501 | make one |
| 22:57.53 | JBdiGriz | It depends how long the flood continues. It should really appear as jitter. |
| 22:58.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:58.12 | JeffM2501 | if it's a flood spike it'll be jitter |
| 22:58.26 | Tropican8 | We are (Well I am) looking for a specific one. I dunno what A-D's planning |
| 22:58.38 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: make: *** No rule to make target `one'. Stop. |
| 22:58.44 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:59.00 | JeffM2501 | just like man woman |
| 22:59.19 | a-delusion | there's an old GM map he's looking for, have no vlues except gm should be in the name. |
| 22:59.25 | a-delusion | clues |
| 22:59.27 | Tropican8 | It was from 1.10.6, a GM map, haven't seen it in ages |
| 22:59.34 | Tropican8 | 4teamctf |
| 22:59.59 | Tropican8 | a cramped room with a very open level above |
| 23:03.51 | A_Meteorite | does anyone know when someone downloads a map does it download the options block? |
| 23:04.13 | Tropican8 | Yes it does (At least when I try) |
| 23:04.21 | A_Meteorite | what if I put -password in it? |
| 23:04.43 | brad | it doesn't let you |
| 23:04.54 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 23:04.57 | A_Meteorite | darnit |
| 23:04.58 | brad | says something like you're not allowed that in a map file |
| 23:05.10 | Mr_Molez | what causes a server that has loads of players to show on the server list as having no players ? |
| 23:05.18 | trepan | the "options" block is not D/L'ed directly, it's inferred |
| 23:05.32 | Tropican8 | failed communication w/ the listserver molez |
| 23:06.19 | Tropican8 | yes I believe bz compares its default vars with the servers, and generates the option block from that on a 'save world' |
| 23:06.29 | Mr_Molez | its been happening alot |
| 23:06.38 | Mr_Molez | ive reset the server loads of times |
| 23:06.59 | Mr_Molez | about 20 times, keeps happening |
| 23:08.08 | SC-phone | mrmolez: ping! |
| 23:08.09 | Tropican8 | this may be a dumb question, but can you access the listserver from the machine? |
| 23:09.07 | Tropican8 | seriously that's the only thing I can think of (not that I know much) |
| 23:10.29 | Mr_Molez | its back on the list now |
| 23:10.35 | Mr_Molez | but i know it will show no players in about 5 mins |
| 23:10.39 | Mr_Molez | SC-phone: pong |
| 23:11.04 | SC-phone | mrmolez: guess what I am looking at :D |
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| 23:12.12 | SC-phone | customs thoroughly checked it out :) |
| 23:12.33 | CBG | ~A_Meteorite++ |
| 23:12.43 | spldart | oops... |
| 23:12.44 | Mr_Molez | SC-phone: ohh u got it ! |
| 23:12.49 | spldart | prolly should have asked in here |
| 23:12.58 | SC-phone | yessssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:13.00 | spldart | did the shot /peni get nixed |
| 23:13.27 | spldart | ahHA.... jeff ran away when he had the chance |
| 23:13.52 | SC-phone | molez, u rock!! |
| 23:14.28 | Mr_Molez | i know :P |
| 23:14.43 | SC-phone | :D |
| 23:15.08 | CBG | ~A_Meteorite++ |
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| 23:19.38 | SportChick | ~mr_molez++ |
| 23:23.30 | SportChick | ~mr_molez++ |
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| 23:43.46 | Mr_Molez | ~karma Mr_Molez |
| 23:43.46 | ibot | mr_molez has karma of 37 |
| 23:43.58 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
| 23:55.51 | A_Meteorite | Lots of karma for a molez... :P |
| 23:56.08 | Mr_Molez | yay me |
| 23:56.38 | A_Meteorite | "...Or the Meteorites" |
| 23:56.53 | Mr_Molez | dont feed the meteorbites :p |
| 23:56.58 | A_Meteorite | heh ;) |