| 00:00.06 | CBG` | It has something to do with curl or soemthing. |
| 00:00.10 | A_Meteorite | I can compile with the latest everything |
| 00:00.14 | CBG` | Like, Upgrading QT installed new curl? |
| 00:00.25 | A_Meteorite | CBG`: Mac OS X version? |
| 00:00.32 | CBG` | A_Meteorite: I'm on OS 10.3.9 - that probably screws everything up. |
| 00:00.36 | TD-Linux | you sure it isn't the QT as in GTK+ comptetitor? |
| 00:00.38 | A_Meteorite | probabably |
| 00:00.46 | A_Meteorite | *probably |
| 00:00.47 | Tropican8 | This is a mac TD... |
| 00:00.51 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 00:00.59 | TD-Linux | then quicktime problems make sense |
| 00:01.10 | CBG` | TD-Linux: have you been smoking something? |
| 00:01.11 | Tropican8 | I use QT apps though if you want to talk about them... |
| 00:04.29 | trepan | add "Auto->" to the scoreboard? ("Hunt->" takes priority) |
| 00:09.04 | Tropican8 | Hey I have a big feature request for the 2.1x branch, but I think Jeff might want to approve it or something. (*Gamemode request alert*) |
| 00:09.16 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (AutoHunt.cxx ScoreboardRenderer.cxx): add Auto->, fix LEADER |
| 00:09.48 | JBdiGriz | CBG`: I haven't tried with 10.3.9, but it compiles on 10.4.6 with QT 7.1 |
| 00:10.36 | CBG` | 7.1? :o |
| 00:11.15 | CBG` | bah, requires restart :( |
| 00:19.35 | trepan | hm, should probably add hunt priority levels, only display highest |
| 00:22.23 | Tropican8 | Make it disableable, because it would be nifty for everyone with a certain flag to be 'blinking' on the radar. |
| 00:22.46 | trepan | Tropican8: hush, you don't seem to get it |
| 00:22.56 | Tropican8 | lol I'm sure I don't |
| 00:24.02 | JeffM2501 | I tell ya, make em add 5 primes to it, before they can use it |
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| 00:26.09 | Tropican8 | lol I re-read the thread Trepan, was doing about 5 other things online at the same time, ignore my input |
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| 00:32.04 | Tropican8 | Anyone willing to make this better for 2.1? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7912 |
| 00:32.06 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, can you explain the following: When, but only when, rico is on, you can shoot yourself by shooting into the nothingness |
| 00:32.17 | Gnurdux | that thing is cool |
| 00:32.23 | Gnurdux | whats wrong with the way it is/ |
| 00:32.34 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, no |
| 00:32.50 | Gnurdux | but of course it doesnt rico |
| 00:33.05 | JeffM2501 | if you know the answer why do you ask me to explain it? |
| 00:33.48 | Gnurdux | Tropican8, with rabbit it wouldnt quite wrk? |
| 00:33.54 | Gnurdux | cause rabbits cant tk |
| 00:34.12 | Tropican8 | It already doesn't work w/ rabbits gnu |
| 00:34.25 | Tropican8 | There is a current limitation in the client for the # of rabbits |
| 00:34.48 | Gnurdux | really/ |
| 00:34.49 | Gnurdux | ? |
| 00:34.51 | Gnurdux | aww |
| 00:34.57 | JeffM2501 | it would be better to make the rabits a team, and then just have the server do team swaps |
| 00:35.01 | JeffM2501 | then you can go ether way |
| 00:35.18 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, but rabbits cant be able to TK |
| 00:35.24 | Gnurdux | if the old rabbit kills the new one... |
| 00:35.34 | Tropican8 | Gnu, you don't get it |
| 00:35.37 | JeffM2501 | that would depend on the mode |
| 00:35.41 | Gnurdux | i see |
| 00:35.44 | JeffM2501 | normal rabit mode would only allow one |
| 00:35.46 | Tropican8 | If there's one rabbit, this change wouldn't make a diff |
| 00:36.03 | JeffM2501 | it takes the rabbit logic out of the client |
| 00:36.06 | Gnurdux | and if server controls deaths... |
| 00:36.15 | JeffM2501 | now he's thinking |
| 00:36.36 | Gnurdux | then when the shot hits you, you dont need to die, it could just do a teamswap right then, so no annoying respawn business |
| 00:36.50 | JeffM2501 | the server can do that yes |
| 00:36.56 | JeffM2501 | if all the hooks are put in place |
| 00:42.07 | Tropican8 | Jeff would it be possible to add to the plugin api a way to define custom gamestyles for the listserver? |
| 00:43.06 | JeffM2501 | no, |
| 00:43.20 | JeffM2501 | because the list server dosnt' care about the gamestyle |
| 00:43.25 | JeffM2501 | it's just a transport for it |
| 00:43.28 | JeffM2501 | it's the client that cares |
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| 00:44.36 | JeffM2501 | all the game styles are hardcoded bitmasks |
| 00:44.37 | Tropican8 | Interesting, so I guess my question is can the client be told to accept a custom gamestyle message sent by the server? |
| 00:44.47 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 00:44.50 | JeffM2501 | who would "tell it"? |
| 00:45.12 | Tropican8 | I'm guessing the server, but I wrote that before I read about the bitmasks |
| 00:45.21 | JeffM2501 | you wold need client side code that knows how to decode it |
| 00:45.38 | JeffM2501 | how can the server tell the client how to decode something that the client dosn't kow about? |
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| 00:46.37 | Tropican8 | very good point. Well how about add a bitmask to the client called 'custom gamemode' or something. Then that could work for AHOD, my mode, and anything else someone comes up with |
| 00:46.54 | JeffM2501 | why not change the "gametype" to just be a human readable string |
| 00:46.55 | trepan | python/java script URL defines the gamestyle :) |
| 00:47.06 | JeffM2501 | and make the server do all the logic/work |
| 00:47.18 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah, lets just run random code on my client ;) |
| 00:47.25 | trepan | (oops, was thinking cosim over here =) |
| 00:48.03 | Tropican8 | If a textstring would be possible, that's what I was getting at, but it sounded like you wanted to keep the current way it does things. |
| 00:48.04 | JeffM2501 | you can cosim it just make everytying parametrised from the server, and not hardcoded in some game style |
| 00:48.28 | JeffM2501 | Tropican8, not right now, but if you want to redo all that code, and change the list server, have at it |
| 00:48.54 | trepan | JeffM2501: not as flexible, and the code need not be completely insecure |
| 00:49.15 | trepan | limit the linkage (possible custom scripting), limit the allowable sources |
| 00:49.16 | JeffM2501 | if you want 100% felxablity send the full client down every time |
| 00:49.33 | Tropican8 | JeffM2501: maybe once I amass better programming skills I |
| 00:49.37 | JeffM2501 | if you want to put the python or java stuf in there, have at it :) |
| 00:50.46 | Tropican8 | But the 'rabbit as a team' thing you are willing to put in there? (I hope) |
| 00:50.53 | JeffM2501 | who said that? |
| 00:51.12 | Tropican8 | note the questionmark... |
| 00:51.34 | JeffM2501 | that's a decent change |
| 00:52.33 | Tropican8 | Also aren't you guys planning on adding more teams and having a 'openmode'? "White" team would also make that work |
| 00:53.06 | Tropican8 | That's all heresay by the way, I really don't know what you guys are cooking up :-) |
| 00:53.25 | JeffM2501 | plan? |
| 00:53.32 | JeffM2501 | what is this plan you speak of |
| 00:53.50 | JeffM2501 | and who are the "you guys"? |
| 00:53.52 | Tropican8 | As I said, not from reliable sources lol |
| 00:56.36 | Tropican8 | "you guys" = The devels who currently are commiting the most code, ie. not an average player/hacker. I believe 'dev monkey' is the term that is used. I heard some of you were considering adding more teams. Note that I don't endorse the idea but am not against it either. |
| 00:57.14 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is open source, anyone can add to it |
| 00:57.31 | JeffM2501 | the features in releases come from all over |
| 00:57.37 | Gnurdux | servers should be allowed up to 16 teams -- with servers able to specify custom textures |
| 00:57.42 | JeffM2501 | it's just what people want to ptu in |
| 00:57.51 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, too complex |
| 00:57.53 | JeffM2501 | 4 is enough |
| 00:57.57 | Gnurdux | not really |
| 00:58.00 | JeffM2501 | yes really |
| 00:58.11 | JeffM2501 | the only overiding mantra is "keep it simple" |
| 00:58.12 | Gnurdux | well, then servers need to control team behaviors |
| 00:58.19 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 00:58.21 | JeffM2501 | add the hooks |
| 00:58.31 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i thought they added a rabbit and hunter team |
| 00:58.41 | JeffM2501 | again with the "they" |
| 00:58.44 | JeffM2501 | hunter is a real team now |
| 00:58.49 | JeffM2501 | rabbit is not IIRC |
| 00:59.03 | Gnurdux | rabbits are rouges? |
| 00:59.16 | JeffM2501 | look and see |
| 00:59.23 | JeffM2501 | in 2.0.x they all were |
| 00:59.27 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 00:59.28 | Tropican8 | As I said, I am referring to those commiting the most code, I am fully aware I am able to make a version myself with whatever floats my boat. Anyway, that's way OT |
| 00:59.50 | JeffM2501 | Tropican8, and you can submit the code and become one of the "they" |
| 01:00.22 | Tropican8 | JeffM2501: yay |
| 01:01.37 | Tropican8 | Gnurdux: That's not nice lol, and also I can't send you messages back because some idiot registerd 'Tropican8' before I started using IRC. |
| 01:01.43 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 01:01.58 | JeffM2501 | so pick a new name |
| 01:02.10 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: boo |
| 01:02.24 | JeffM2501 | it's nice in concept, just horible to use |
| 01:02.56 | JeffM2501 | I think I got it set tho, but the VC projects are missing many files |
| 01:07.37 | menotume | what a coincidence, the idiot who registered 'Tropican8' is from PA too ! :P |
| 01:08.13 | Mr_Molez | CBG: pingy ping ping ping ping ping |
| 01:08.21 | CBG | ~lart Mr_Molez |
| 01:08.22 | menotume | pong-along-o-ping-pang |
| 01:08.36 | Mr_Molez | CBG: hmm stuff and stuff |
| 01:08.38 | CBG | you woke me up :P |
| 01:08.46 | Mr_Molez | good |
| 01:09.00 | menotume | (beep) |
| 01:09.02 | Tropican8 | No coincidence, I use the same name on other services, so I bet someone I know in person wants to annoy me |
| 01:10.02 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.02 | menotume | -NickServ- Registered: 25 weeks 1 day (6h 58m 53s) ago |
| 01:10.03 | menotume | -NickServ- Last Seen: 25 weeks 1 day (1h 15m 46s) ago |
| 01:10.08 | Tropican8 | menotume, that's really creepy...and you know I can't respond |
| 01:10.10 | menotume | just ask a freenode admin about it |
| 01:10.59 | Tropican8 | I think I actually regged before and typed some jibberish as a pass w/o realizing what I did, don't know for sure. |
| 01:12.02 | Tropican8 | I gtg, also I think maybe one of the reasons I haven't looked into it is I don't want people sending me messages AIM-style lol |
| 01:12.18 | purple_cow | lol yes! that's funny! |
| 01:12.24 | menotume | hehe |
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| 01:13.00 | menotume | i know someone who forgot their password :) |
| 01:14.07 | Mr_Molez | menotume: tell me your passwords ill remember them for you :) |
| 01:14.39 | menotume | they're all the same |
| 01:14.42 | menotume | "x" |
| 01:15.04 | menotume | oh great, now i have to change them all |
| 01:16.05 | Mr_Molez | http://my.bzflag.org/league/index.php?link=shame |
| 01:16.11 | Mr_Molez | can u add me there meno :P |
| 01:16.20 | menotume | maybe :) |
| 01:16.26 | CBG | bah, you changed it :( |
| 01:16.26 | Mr_Molez | do it quick ! :P |
| 01:16.31 | CBG | good thing I got screenshots |
| 01:16.38 | menotume | bring it up in the bzbb forum |
| 01:16.46 | menotume | ask the council to vote on it :) |
| 01:16.51 | Mr_Molez | k |
| 01:17.25 | menotume | entries there will never be deleted (unless it was a mistake or a test) |
| 01:17.50 | CBG | is that all I was to you, menotume ? |
| 01:18.02 | menotume | a test, yes |
| 01:18.15 | CBG | :( |
| 01:19.01 | Mr_Molez | thehehe done |
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| 01:19.13 | menotume | omg, he did it |
| 01:19.21 | menotume | YOU can't vote on it :) |
| 01:19.26 | Mr_Molez | too late |
| 01:19.41 | Mr_Molez | oops i posted as bzfire |
| 01:19.46 | Mr_Molez | aww man |
| 01:19.55 | Mr_Molez | ahh well |
| 01:20.00 | CBG | http://cbg.is-a-geek.org:5150/shame.png :P |
| 01:20.06 | menotume | lol, yes and of course |
| 01:20.57 | CBG | yes > OFCOURSE |
| 01:26.57 | SportChick | ~bad molez |
| 01:26.59 | ibot | Bad molez, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 01:27.05 | Mr_Molez | :P |
| 01:27.09 | SportChick | ;) |
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| 01:43.22 | Mr_Molez | TD-Linux: hehe :P |
| 01:58.47 | Gnurdux | hmmm |
| 01:59.02 | Gnurdux | i just realized that the bz_gameover function.... does it call the gameover event? |
| 02:00.43 | brad | what else would it do? |
| 02:00.54 | Gnurdux | no, it doesnt |
| 02:00.56 | Gnurdux | damn it |
| 02:01.02 | Gnurdux | that sux crap |
| 02:01.07 | brad | ok.. |
| 02:01.17 | Gnurdux | its because the whole thing is designed badly |
| 02:01.38 | brad | design it better then |
| 02:01.46 | Gnurdux | but 2.0.8 is already out |
| 02:01.58 | brad | 2.1 is in development |
| 02:02.30 | brad | and just because the devs aren't changing anything in 2.0 doesn't mean you can't :) |
| 02:08.50 | uso | is the plugin to change match time publicly available somewhere? |
| 02:10.53 | brad | uso: check forums on openleague.org |
| 02:10.59 | brad | catay posted it there iirc |
| 02:11.14 | uso | thanks |
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| 03:25.42 | menotume | Mr_Molez: pingy |
| 03:26.25 | Mr_Molez | yo |
| 03:26.31 | menotume | PM coming :) |
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| 03:54.27 | trepan | have hunt levels setup, diff colors for scoreboard |
| 03:54.36 | trepan | but it's info. overload on the radar |
| 03:57.23 | Death_Barrel | talking to me trepan ? |
| 03:57.55 | trepan | no |
| 04:00.00 | trepan | not specifically |
| 04:00.22 | Death_Barrel | k |
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| 05:55.40 | maquis | this could be a stupid question, but i'm not seeing the answer on the website, so i'm going to ask anyway: i just registered a callsign on the my.bzflag.org forum. As i understand, there are stats of some sort kept for registered callsigns (i think so, at least). is there anything i need to do to have my actions recorded when i go to a server (besides using that callsign)? |
| 05:56.35 | L4m3r | just has to be a public server, that's all |
| 05:56.43 | maquis | cool |
| 05:56.48 | maquis | L4m3r: thanks for the info |
| 05:56.52 | L4m3r | some other sites keep other stats as well |
| 05:57.01 | DTRemenak | nope. it actually collects stats for unregistered callsigns also. look yourself up on stats.bzflag.org if you're interested. |
| 05:57.11 | L4m3r | for instance, planet mofo keeps its own stats at http://planet-mofo.com for our servers |
| 05:57.34 | maquis | DTRemenak: really? i didn't know that... so, what's to keep multiple people from using the same callsign? |
| 05:57.49 | L4m3r | That's why you register yours ;) |
| 05:57.54 | DTRemenak | that's what registration is important for ;) |
| 05:58.05 | maquis | but if you don't authenticate at all...? |
| 05:58.22 | DTRemenak | it will keep stats, but not necessarily unique stats |
| 05:58.32 | maquis | ah... |
| 05:58.33 | maquis | ok |
| 06:05.23 | maquis | thanks for all your help DTRemenak and L4m3r |
| 06:05.27 | maquis | i appreciated it |
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| 07:10.53 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/autohunt.jpg |
| 07:11.10 | trepan | using: set autohunt ratio<100#7:ratio<150#6:ratio<200#5:ratio<250#4:ratio#1 |
| 07:11.44 | trepan | needs beaucoup work... |
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| 13:39.29 | Thumper_ | brlcad: plugins don't build on HEAD, copying the m4 directory to plugins/m4 seems to fix the problem - not sure that's the correct fix though |
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| 14:54.11 | uso | -m, ichnichtduich :) |
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| 15:19.09 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:19.09 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - allow AutoHunt variable referencing with a leading '*' char |
| 15:19.09 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: (ex: "set autohunt SW:*ahTmp", "set ahTmp GM") |
| 15:19.09 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - default to using 'ranges' for autohunt specification |
| 15:19.09 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: (ranges are not used if the level or proximity is explicitly defined) |
| 15:19.09 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - add proximity and levels to AutoHunt, examples: |
| 15:19.13 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: ST?GM<300#4: |
| 15:19.40 | JeffM2501 | if they want more complexity then that make em load a python script |
| 15:20.32 | trepan | that should do for most cases |
| 15:21.27 | trepan | won't matter for a while, HEAD is quite borked :) |
| 15:21.35 | trepan | (did my testing with 2.0) |
| 15:24.32 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 15:25.05 | JeffM2501 | so your working on a new way to have the clients talk to the server? your sending input only method? |
| 15:26.41 | trepan | already did that, but why the non-sequitur? |
| 15:27.04 | SportChick | MrBeige: ping |
| 15:27.06 | SportChick | gah |
| 15:27.07 | JeffM2501 | cus I forgot to ask last time I was here |
| 15:27.08 | SportChick | Mr_Molez: ping |
| 15:27.11 | Mr_Molez | yo |
| 15:27.33 | JeffM2501 | and the previous topic sounded closed |
| 15:28.12 | Mr_Molez | nah dont wanna go there thnx sc |
| 15:35.12 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/AutoHunt.cxx: remove the cruft |
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| 15:37.55 | CapN | I dont know if I've ever been here without Meno being here? |
| 15:38.31 | Admirarch | Oh, a CapN |
| 15:39.04 | CapN | I'm just worried about him...hope he hasn't been abducted or something. |
| 15:39.48 | blast007 | he's here, if you look hard enough ;) |
| 15:40.51 | ichnichtdumich | he is here |
| 15:40.56 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 15:41.34 | CapN | lol |
| 15:42.12 | JeffM2501 | meno is always watching over you |
| 15:42.30 | CapN | i figured as much |
| 15:42.30 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/AutoHunt.cxx: underline AutoHunt level 9 |
| 15:42.34 | JeffM2501 | from a distance |
| 15:42.41 | JeffM2501 | like the wind beneth your wings |
| 15:42.45 | blast007 | Meno 2.0: Big Brother |
| 15:42.58 | JeffM2501 | who watches the watchmen? |
| 15:43.28 | blast007 | the watcher of the watchmen |
| 15:43.40 | CBG | and who watches him? |
| 15:43.53 | blast007 | the watcher of the watcher |
| 15:43.59 | CBG | and who watches him? |
| 15:44.01 | blast007 | the watchmen |
| 15:44.09 | CBG | and who watches them? |
| 15:44.17 | blast007 | ERR: Inf loop |
| 15:45.12 | JeffM2501 | your mom |
| 15:45.19 | JeffM2501 | it's your mom's job to watch that guy |
| 15:50.25 | spldart | doh |
| 15:50.50 | cosmos | but whos watching mommy |
| 15:51.31 | spldart | :-x |
| 15:53.00 | JeffM2501 | the first set of watchmen |
| 15:53.10 | JeffM2501 | it works out well |
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| 16:47.49 | ichnichtdumich | JeffM2501: do you know if there's a way to have a public 'post-only forum'? where only members of a certain group can read ? |
| 16:47.59 | ichnichtdumich | I tried yesterday, but couldn't get it to work |
| 16:48.21 | JeffM2501 | so you want anyone to post to, but only some to read? |
| 16:48.25 | ichnichtdumich | right |
| 16:48.26 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:48.29 | JeffM2501 | you have to read to post |
| 16:48.43 | JeffM2501 | cus the post button is on the page where you read ;) |
| 16:48.51 | ichnichtdumich | right |
| 16:48.58 | ichnichtdumich | okies |
| 16:49.36 | ichnichtdumich | it lets you set it up, and you can view the forum but not read, but no post buttons even though post is allowed public |
| 16:49.39 | ichnichtdumich | oh well, thx |
| 16:49.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah it dosn't do all combinations |
| 16:49.57 | JeffM2501 | feel free to mod it ;) |
| 16:50.00 | ichnichtdumich | lol |
| 16:50.08 | JeffM2501 | or replace it |
| 16:50.31 | ichnichtdumich | well, i don't like doing that, cause we're gonna be even more skrewed if we want to update code |
| 16:50.53 | ichnichtdumich | not that important, i'll find another way |
| 16:51.19 | JeffM2501 | like I say.. or replace ;) |
| 16:51.22 | Thumper_ | Hey JeffM2501 is the vocaliser plugin dead in HEAD? There's still a reference to it in configure.ac - want me to remove that? |
| 16:51.27 | JeffM2501 | something nice and modular :) |
| 16:51.34 | ichnichtdumich | hehe |
| 16:51.34 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, please |
| 16:51.38 | Thumper_ | okies. |
| 16:53.19 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * 10bzflag/plugins/configure.ac: The vocaliser plugin is gone - don't try to build it. |
| 16:55.47 | JeffM2501 | too many places to add and remove tings |
| 17:00.03 | trepan | did somebody say scons? cmake? |
| 17:00.20 | JeffM2501 | scons rocks |
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| 17:00.33 | bryjen | i thought brlcad got that yesterday... |
| 17:01.04 | bryjen | ah, we have two configure.ac files, one at root and one in plugins/. is this duplicating some things? |
| 17:01.26 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it is so you can build plugins only from plugins |
| 17:01.32 | JeffM2501 | or copy the dir anywhere elese |
| 17:02.00 | Thumper_ | except the m4 stuff is missing/not working for plugins |
| 17:02.09 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 17:22.07 | w0rd | hello |
| 17:23.04 | w0rd | anyone here? |
| 17:23.29 | Mr_Molez | wizatcom: hey |
| 17:23.34 | Mr_Molez | uhh he left |
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| 17:45.00 | ichnichtdumich | Mr_Molez: are you going to keep spamming the bzbb forum ? |
| 17:45.38 | Mr_Molez | im just giving my input on the issues i have |
| 17:45.48 | Mr_Molez | like cheese and stuff |
| 17:45.56 | ichnichtdumich | uh huh |
| 17:45.57 | Mr_Molez | cuz that is a serious issue that needs resolving |
| 17:46.03 | ichnichtdumich | i see |
| 17:46.08 | Mr_Molez | dont you think ? |
| 17:46.56 | Mr_Molez | ok i wont post any of my concerns fine |
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| 17:55.15 | amcnabb | It looks like Player::updateTank() only affects graphics-related stuff. Is my understanding correct? |
| 17:55.39 | amcnabb | (updateDimensions() is the part I wasn't quite sure about) |
| 17:56.08 | amcnabb | Are dimensions used anywhere other than rendering? |
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| 18:01.22 | Mr_Molez | ichnichtdumich: ok ive deleted my less important posts |
| 18:01.48 | ichnichtdumich | ah, ty :) |
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| 18:05.05 | Mr_Molez | Birdie: its birdie ! :P |
| 18:05.59 | Birdie | heya |
| 18:06.24 | Tupone | hurry ... shoot at bird |
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| 19:14.20 | bryjen | blargh |
| 19:42.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/clientCommands.cxx: covert team ID to player ID when using as a message destination |
| 19:42.58 | bryjen | s/covert/convert/ |
| 19:43.50 | bryjen | that's better, but something's still not right :/ |
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| 19:50.07 | Mr_Molez | |zongo|: |
| 19:50.18 | |zongo| | Mr_Molez, |
| 20:17.50 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsClientMessages.cxx: reformat and block to be sure all the else's nest correctly |
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| 20:30.24 | bryjen | only messages to all display correctly in the client |
| 20:30.46 | bryjen | s/the client/the sending client/ |
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| 20:46.06 | bryjen | kerrr-ash |
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| 20:55.42 | JeffM2501 | wnat a geforece 1? |
| 20:59.05 | bryjen | naw, this is the work PC. they can pay for it ;) |
| 20:59.26 | L4m3r | geforce one? |
| 20:59.39 | JeffM2501 | the first one |
| 20:59.40 | L4m3r | Jeff, it's not nice to steal from the museum :D |
| 20:59.50 | JeffM2501 | it's better then software |
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| 21:54.35 | bryjen | ok, so sendMessage() used to iterate through the memebers of a "group" (teams or admins) and use directMessage() to send them all the *original* buffered message with the destination intact as the group's ID. |
| 21:55.29 | bryjen | but now sendMessage() iterates and passes the content of the message off to sendTextMessage() with the individual's ID as the destination |
| 21:59.13 | bryjen | so the receiver sees the message as private to them, not that it was to a group :/ |
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| 22:04.20 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 22:05.02 | brad | ScoreboardRenderer.cxx: In member function ‘void ScoreboardRenderer::drawPlayerScore(const Player*, float, float, float, float, float, int, bool)’: |
| 22:05.03 | JeffM2501 | probably should send in a param to say it's from a group |
| 22:05.05 | brad | ScoreboardRenderer.cxx:589: error: expected primary-expression before ‘|’ token |
| 22:05.08 | brad | does anyone else get that |
| 22:07.05 | bryjen | or the breaking-out of groups into individuals should happen in sendTextMessage() |
| 22:07.18 | JeffM2501 | another viable way |
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| 22:08.40 | A_Meteorite | GM is sweet. |
| 22:08.44 | A_Meteorite | In CVS. :) |
| 22:09.52 | CBG | in 2.1 ? |
| 22:09.55 | A_Meteorite | yes |
| 22:10.13 | A_Meteorite | I got a screenie if you want to see |
| 22:12.34 | CBG | I have 2.1 |
| 22:12.38 | A_Meteorite | ah |
| 22:12.39 | A_Meteorite | ok |
| 22:12.47 | CBG | I've seen the GM - it's not that good :P |
| 22:12.51 | A_Meteorite | heh :P |
| 22:13.04 | A_Meteorite | http://bz.bpa.nu/bzflag/screenshots/ |
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| 22:25.18 | [NP]Tangent | hm |
| 22:25.26 | [NP]Tangent | gonna need to play some bzflag in a bit |
| 22:25.31 | [NP]Tangent | once these downloads finish |
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| 22:28.38 | tokimi | CBG: ping |
| 22:28.52 | CBG | tokimi: pong :) |
| 22:31.38 | Gnurdux | hi A_Meteorite |
| 22:31.49 | A_Meteorite | hello... |
| 22:33.04 | Gnurdux | did you decide on a domain name? |
| 22:33.18 | A_Meteorite | Yes, but now Win Xp can't buy it. :( |
| 22:33.34 | JeffM2501 | he ain't got 8$? |
| 22:33.36 | A_Meteorite | He has to get it for his band... *sigh* |
| 22:33.41 | A_Meteorite | yes, he does |
| 22:33.42 | Gnurdux | aww |
| 22:33.52 | CBG | A_Meteorite: what is it? |
| 22:33.54 | A_Meteorite | So, I'll be ponying up $8 soon. |
| 22:33.54 | JeffM2501 | what domain? |
| 22:33.59 | Gnurdux | my school band needs a site too, but they dont need a freaking domain |
| 22:34.06 | CBG | Why pay $8 when you can pay $3? :P |
| 22:34.11 | A_Meteorite | bzfx.net since some said "frag" was too slang, I don't know what they're talking about |
| 22:34.15 | JeffM2501 | who reges for 3? |
| 22:34.23 | JeffM2501 | fx? |
| 22:34.23 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 22:34.31 | CBG | lemme try to remember |
| 22:34.36 | Gnurdux | too slang? |
| 22:34.41 | A_Meteorite | if anyone wants to explain why "frag" is to slang, know yourself out |
| 22:34.43 | JeffM2501 | and what does it have to do with a band? |
| 22:34.49 | Gnurdux | nothing |
| 22:34.58 | A_Meteorite | Win Xp decided to use one of his domains for his band after he said he would buy one for me |
| 22:35.02 | Gnurdux | except the person who was going to buy the domain for him bought it for the band instead |
| 22:36.31 | CBG | A_Meteorite: how much control do you want? I mean - if the dns points to your server, that's fine right? |
| 22:36.37 | CBG | Do you need extra features? |
| 22:36.37 | JeffM2501 | dude just spend the 8$ |
| 22:36.57 | A_Meteorite | CBG: just the DNS is fine |
| 22:37.09 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: I will... :) |
| 22:37.16 | A_Meteorite | unless someone else is kind enough to do it |
| 22:37.28 | A_Meteorite | otherwise I have to take out of my meager $15 allowance |
| 22:37.36 | CBG | domains for $2.95 at: http://www.ipower.com/domain-names.html |
| 22:38.02 | CBG | The interface on theri site sucks, took me like, 20 mins to set the dns, but it works fine with no problems so far. |
| 22:38.03 | Gnurdux | 16 dollars a what A_Meteorite ? |
| 22:38.18 | Gnurdux | *15 |
| 22:38.30 | Gnurdux | week, month, year? |
| 22:38.30 | A_Meteorite | cleaning room, doing dishes, vacumming, taking trash out |
| 22:38.34 | A_Meteorite | a month |
| 22:38.44 | Gnurdux | i get 8 dollars a month |
| 22:38.50 | Gnurdux | but i dont do that much |
| 22:38.52 | A_Meteorite | My mom goes by age. :) |
| 22:39.05 | A_Meteorite | ...and to worsen it, if I miss one day of chores I lose a buck |
| 22:39.07 | Gnurdux | i set table or do dishes, put away dishes, clean my room, thats it |
| 22:39.34 | CBG | I get nothing per nothing from my parents. |
| 22:39.41 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 22:39.43 | CBG | £1/week from granparents :/ |
| 22:40.23 | A_Meteorite | and £1 goes how far in England? :) |
| 22:40.42 | JeffM2501 | now a lawn get a domain name |
| 22:40.44 | JeffM2501 | mow |
| 22:40.49 | JeffM2501 | it can't be that hard |
| 22:40.58 | Gnurdux | who said bzfrag is too slang the A_Meteorite ? |
| 22:41.08 | A_Meteorite | BinarySpike and AlliedArmour |
| 22:41.18 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 22:41.19 | A_Meteorite | But doing a quick Google didn't seem to find anything bad. |
| 22:41.26 | CBG | A_Meteorite: £1 is like, $1.9 :( |
| 22:41.31 | A_Meteorite | unless blowing up soldiers is bad |
| 22:41.53 | CBG | frag is a common term in gaming... |
| 22:41.57 | Gnurdux | do trhey find it very offensive? |
| 22:41.59 | A_Meteorite | yup |
| 22:42.10 | A_Meteorite | Gnurdux: not offensive, just "too slang" |
| 22:42.19 | CBG | A_Meteorite: wow, it's slang - so what? |
| 22:42.22 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 22:42.28 | CBG | You really don't have to listen to them. |
| 22:42.35 | A_Meteorite | No, I don't. |
| 22:42.43 | A_Meteorite | So.. I may get bzfrag.net anyways. ;) |
| 22:42.47 | Gnurdux | all gaming is slan |
| 22:42.49 | Gnurdux | g |
| 22:42.55 | A_Meteorite | quite |
| 22:43.07 | CBG | A_Meteorite: yeah, at ipower,com, get both and still have $2 left over ;) |
| 22:43.17 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 22:43.20 | Gnurdux | hehehehe |
| 22:43.24 | Gnurdux | thats kinda cool |
| 22:43.29 | Gnurdux | CBG, is that a yearly fee? |
| 22:43.42 | A_Meteorite | I wonder what it is after the first year, it mentions "first year only." |
| 22:44.01 | A_Meteorite | And, is it one of those cheap ones that keep the domain in their name to prevent transfers? |
| 22:44.05 | brad | it says $11.20 for 2 years |
| 22:44.23 | Gnurdux | g2g dinner |
| 22:44.26 | A_Meteorite | Ah |
| 22:44.32 | A_Meteorite | they stick it to you later |
| 22:45.00 | A_Meteorite | ~dict frag |
| 22:45.11 | A_Meteorite | Seems fine to me. :) |
| 22:45.25 | A_Meteorite | "most commonly meaning to assassinate an unpopular member of one's own fighting unit by dropping a fragmentation grenade into the victim's tent at night" - heh, that sounds cruel |
| 22:45.29 | Gnurdux | rom Vietnam-era U.S. military slang |
| 22:45.58 | Gnurdux | so i see where there coming from |
| 22:46.12 | A_Meteorite | yeah... |
| 22:46.45 | A_Meteorite | and it IS close to bzfLag (bzfRag) :D |
| 22:47.25 | Gnurdux | and l and r are very similar phonetically; only real difference is that in l, the tongue touches the top of the mouth |
| 22:47.41 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 22:48.12 | Gnurdux | and stereotypic japanese people pronounce all ls as rs |
| 22:48.22 | Gnurdux | as in: I pray bzfrag. |
| 22:48.35 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 22:48.42 | Gnurdux | and there are some good l/r jokes, like "Plug and Pray" |
| 22:48.50 | Gnurdux | tho that only switches one |
| 22:48.53 | A_Meteorite | Gnurdux: if you had a choice between the two which would you choose? I like too much input |
| 22:48.59 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 22:49.03 | L4m3r | I think I'm coming down with the asian bird fru. |
| 22:49.04 | L4m3r | Flu. |
| 22:49.04 | L4m3r | Crap, it's starting. |
| 22:49.12 | A_Meteorite | HUH? |
| 22:49.21 | A_Meteorite | Where? Get me the news site. |
| 22:49.27 | A_Meteorite | Please tell me it's not a joke. |
| 22:49.28 | L4m3r | ... |
| 22:49.55 | A_Meteorite | Well, we do got about 3 months worth of food... |
| 22:49.59 | tokimi | is there a map maker here with experience with teleporters? |
| 22:50.01 | A_Meteorite | For what it's worth. |
| 22:50.05 | Gnurdux | well for ego's sake since i came up with bzfrag id say that. bzfx might be a bit harder for me to remember, and doesnt say as much like bzflag, but im biased |
| 22:50.13 | A_Meteorite | About two cases of canned chicken. :) |
| 22:50.37 | Gnurdux | and A_Meteorite <L4m3r> I think I'm coming down with the asian bird fru. think about it.... fru--l->r--Japan |
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| 22:50.50 | A_Meteorite | ... |
| 22:50.51 | Gnurdux | but bird flu is in southeast asia, so its not a very good joke |
| 22:50.54 | Gnurdux | and i just killed it |
| 22:50.59 | L4m3r | lol |
| 22:50.59 | Gnurdux | or maybe you did |
| 22:51.18 | JeffM2501 | tokimi, what did you need help on? |
| 22:51.56 | Gnurdux | now i really am away |
| 22:52.18 | tokimi | well, i can get bullets going through the teleporter, but the tanks wont go through |
| 22:52.31 | Gnurdux | tokimi, can they get through when they jump? |
| 22:52.34 | JeffM2501 | what is the Z level of your teleporter? and how wide it is |
| 22:52.37 | tokimi | no jumping alowed |
| 22:52.42 | CBG | tokimi: ah it may be that the tele is slightly off the ground |
| 22:52.42 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, leave or go, pick one |
| 22:53.01 | tokimi | size 0.125 10 5 |
| 22:53.06 | Gnurdux | ill be gone without a couple minutes |
| 22:53.11 | JeffM2501 | is it on a building? |
| 22:53.15 | tokimi | position 20 20 0 |
| 22:53.35 | JeffM2501 | 10 wide should be fine |
| 22:53.36 | tokimi | the second one is |
| 22:53.45 | tokimi | * on a block |
| 22:54.25 | JeffM2501 | what is the top Z of the block? |
| 22:55.01 | tokimi | ah, that must be it |
| 22:56.55 | JeffM2501 | you sometimes have to play with the z of TPs on objects |
| 22:56.57 | tokimi | bingo |
| 22:57.05 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't like to move you INTO an objet |
| 22:57.32 | tokimi | are - z definitions alowed? |
| 22:57.42 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 22:57.50 | tokimi | i see |
| 22:58.10 | L4m3r | the object will be visible through the ground... it looks like crap :) |
| 22:58.25 | tokimi | hrm |
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| 22:59.06 | JeffM2501 | the game dosnt want you to go below ground |
| 22:59.10 | JeffM2501 | and yeah it shows thru |
| 22:59.14 | tokimi | k |
| 22:59.19 | JeffM2501 | the ground dosn't fill in the z buffer |
| 22:59.20 | JeffM2501 | to be faster |
| 22:59.50 | larsl | Does the server allow defining opponent bases as safety zones? |
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| 23:00.39 | L4m3r | I'm guessing the server would try a few times, give up, and send the flag home. |
| 23:01.01 | larsl | L4m3r: Really? It won't drop it on an opponents base? |
| 23:01.07 | L4m3r | so yes, you could, but it probably wouldn't work |
| 23:01.30 | L4m3r | I'm pretty sure it checks drop geometry before putting the flag anywhere |
| 23:01.37 | L4m3r | and enemy bases are a no-no, so... |
| 23:01.59 | larsl | I was thinking of doing it on purpose. So you can capture a flag by just getting it off the opponents' base and drop it on the nearest pyramid. |
| 23:02.12 | larsl | The gameplay would be super defensive. |
| 23:02.17 | L4m3r | nope, doesn't work that way |
| 23:02.28 | brad | it wouldn't cap anyway, you still need a tank to take it on |
| 23:02.29 | L4m3r | theme97 has a defense-only plugin, though |
| 23:02.50 | L4m3r | a team wins when a member just grabs the flag |
| 23:03.31 | JeffM2501 | see why my idea for CTF would be better ;) |
| 23:03.43 | CBG | Could have (some) of team A spawn at their own base, and a flag safety zone for team B's flag right next to team A's base... |
| 23:04.16 | Gnurdux | yea |
| 23:04.25 | Gnurdux | CBG, Constititution has that hosted on my comp |
| 23:04.27 | larsl | Can plugins award points when someone just lands in a zone? |
| 23:04.35 | CBG | Gnurdux: cool... |
| 23:04.36 | L4m3r | No. |
| 23:04.38 | JeffM2501 | the API knows nothing of zones |
| 23:04.42 | larsl | Ah. |
| 23:04.48 | larsl | No "Ender's game" type maps then. |
| 23:04.49 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, yes it does |
| 23:04.54 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, really? |
| 23:04.57 | Gnurdux | theres a ZoneEntry event |
| 23:05.06 | L4m3r | not implemented. |
| 23:05.07 | JeffM2501 | yes there is |
| 23:05.16 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't mean it does anything ;) |
| 23:05.24 | JeffM2501 | the API knows nothing of zones |
| 23:05.24 | Gnurdux | bz_eZoneEntryEvent, |
| 23:05.25 | Gnurdux | bz_eZoneExitEvent, |
| 23:05.27 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 23:05.44 | L4m3r | this is where reading the docs comes in handy... |
| 23:05.58 | larsl | Will that be implemented? |
| 23:06.15 | Gnurdux | now im gone |
| 23:06.17 | JeffM2501 | larsl, when the server has a gamestate that knows about zones |
| 23:06.29 | larsl | Ah, right... |
| 23:06.44 | JeffM2501 | there is also a bug in 2.0.x with seting the scores |
| 23:06.52 | JeffM2501 | a client won't accept a score update for itself |
| 23:07.06 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 will |
| 23:07.17 | JeffM2501 | so in 2.1 you could do your own zone stuff, and set the scores |
| 23:07.24 | tokimi | thanks JeffM2501 btw |
| 23:07.29 | JeffM2501 | tokimi, sure |
| 23:07.43 | tokimi | gotta love the easy fixs |
| 23:12.42 | JeffM2501 | everything should be easy for a hyperdimensional being |
| 23:13.13 | tokimi | rofl, JeffM2501 you show your interests |
| 23:14.55 | JeffM2501 | it is wrong to hide them |
| 23:15.07 | tokimi | :) |
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