irclog2html for #bzflag on 20060516

`00:02.16`	`DTRemenak`	`RPG_: I see a problem ;)`
`00:02.39`	`Gnurdux`	`JeffM2501, what do you suggest that I do?`
`00:02.55`	`DTRemenak`	`files can be used before they're approved, since they're on the correct domain, and with access to the world. see for example http://images.bzflag.bz/submitimages/image_holding/menotume_bjoe.png`
`00:03.20`	`RPG_`	`kk, i was planning on adding a .htaccess file to forbit that directory`
`00:03.21`	`DTRemenak`	`I could stick that in a world file easily enough`
`00:03.33`	`RPG_`	`how'd you find that "hidden" dir, DTRemenak ?`
`00:03.37`	`menotume`	`no, don't look there !`
`00:04.06`	`DTRemenak`	`RPG_: security through obscurity is a BAD idea...assume anything hidden can be found ;)`
`00:04.18`	`menotume`	`look at this one instead: QuickTim_icrap.png`
`00:04.25`	`DTRemenak`	`assume people have access to your source code`
`00:04.56`	`brad`	`You didn't get logged in. You should not see this error. If you see this, 1) the list server is down, 2) you are trying unsucessfully to hack into a user's account, or 3) monkeys ate the program. If the answer is 1 or 2, then you just have to be patient and log in again normally at a later time. If it is number 3, then tell somebody!`
`00:04.57`	`DTRemenak`	`oh yeah, and that link is definately NSFW`
`00:05.01`	`brad`	`brad, you have the following images pending moderation:`
`00:05.03`	`brad`	`I am logged in`
`00:05.13`	`brad`	`how else would it know my name`
`00:05.34`	`RPG_`	`if you refresh the index?page=login , you will get that notice, because once you auth your token once, your token goes bad, and refreshing will try to re-auth`
`00:05.56`	`brad`	`:(`
`00:05.56`	`DTRemenak`	`could have it hold a session id to avoid that`
`00:06.11`	`RPG_`	`it does`
`00:06.23`	`RPG_`	`but i'll add in a feature to prevent re-authing tokens while logged in`
`00:06.27`	`RPG_`	`thanks for the feedback, guys`
`00:06.34`	`RPG_`	`and the images :)`
`00:06.36`	`DTRemenak`	`np...always happy to break things :)`
`00:10.25`	`[dmp]`	`My go at a upload image-thingy: http://images.bzflag.org/submitimages_dmp/`
`00:10.51`	`RPG_`	`brad: bug fixed.`
`00:10.56`	`RPG_`	`DTRemenak: bug fixed.`
`00:10.59`	`RPG_`	`menotume: bug fixed.`
`00:11.07`	`brad`	`:)`
`00:11.44`	`menotume`	`RPG_: you gave up on using sql ?`
`00:12.09`	`RPG_`	`yeah`
`00:12.42`	`RPG_`	`flatfile seemed more portable`
`00:13.23`	`brad`	`[dmp]: why the 1mb file limit?`
`00:13.45`	`[dmp]`	`brad: because i entered it in the configuration file :)`
`00:13.50`	`brad`	`grr !`
`00:13.52`	`brad`	`un-enter it`
`00:14.14`	`DTRemenak`	`RPG_: I dunno how your approval system works, but I'm wondering how badly it breaks when someone does what I just did: upload the same filename twice with different information`
`00:14.42`	`RPG_`	`it appears as 2 separate`
`00:14.53`	`[dmp]`	`brad: change to 10mb`
`00:14.55`	`DTRemenak`	`when uploading, it tramples the earlier image itself with the later one, but adds another entry (same filename) to the waiting list`
`00:14.56`	`RPG_`	`wait.... yes i'll fix that :)`
`00:15.03`	`brad`	`that's too much [dmp]`
`00:15.09`	`brad`	`how about 3.7?`
`00:15.09`	`[dmp]`	`gah`
`00:15.16`	`brad`	`:)`
`00:15.19`	`DTRemenak`	`so if it moves them away when it approves, it'll probably break when you try to approve the second`
`00:15.21`	`[dmp]`	`3.1415.. :)`
`00:15.23`	`[dmp]`	`bytes`
`00:15.30`	`brad`	`bytes lol`
`00:16.02`	`DTRemenak`	`nice in that it doesn't let me trample someone else's images though ;)`
`00:16.16`	`RPG_`	`:D`
`00:16.28`	`RPG_`	`i saw that as a possibility`
`00:17.02`	`menotume`	`also, please remove http://images.bzflag.bz/submitimages/phpinfo.php`
`00:17.26`	`[dmp]`	`menotume: disable the function :-)`
`00:17.27`	`menotume`	`or protect it :`
`00:17.38`	`menotume`	`i can't`
`00:17.50`	`RPG_`	`menotume: bug fixed.`
`00:17.51`	`RPG_`	`:)`
`00:17.53`	`brad`	`menotume: there's another way to see phpinfo`
`00:17.55`	`menotume`	`hehe`
`00:18.04`	`brad`	`using the server list script ;)`
`00:18.13`	`brad`	`?action=DEBUG`
`00:19.04`	`menotume`	`oh man, worse thatn that even`
`00:19.34`	`menotume`	`all globals too`
`00:20.21`	`menotume`	`good think db info isn't in globals`
`00:20.29`	`DTRemenak`	`RPG_: MIGHT wanna give a second look to your code for determining who has what images in the queue`
`00:21.38`	`DTRemenak`	`RPG_: http://images.bzflag.bz/submitimages/image_holding/menotume__queue.PNG`
`00:22.10`	`brad`	`lol`
`00:22.29`	`DTRemenak`	`RPG_: as you can see, I have lots of fun ways to break things ;)`
`00:23.01`	`Gnurdux`	`menotume, can you help me?`
`00:23.07`	`menotume`	`because it\'s not a PNG image.</font></p>';`
`00:23.20`	`menotume`	`line 231, quote problem :)`
`00:23.30`	`menotume`	`nvm :)`
`00:23.41`	`Gnurdux`	`http://pastebin.ca/56075`
`00:24.28`	`JeffM2501`	`good lord, can anyone submit an image i CAN approve?`
`00:24.51`	`brad`	`pillbox ones.. :)`
`00:24.53`	`JeffM2501`	`menotume, nice :)`
`00:25.00`	`menotume`	`lol`
`00:25.03`	`JeffM2501`	`brad, we don't host screenshots as textures`
`00:25.11`	`brad`	`bleh`
`00:25.32`	`RPG_`	`heh, we're both denying at teh same time :)`
`00:26.01`	`menotume`	`err, Gnurdux: what's the question ?`
`00:26.04`	`menotume`	`you were nr`
`00:26.18`	`Gnurdux`	`no`
`00:26.22`	`Gnurdux`	`it happened when i tried to connect`
`00:26.26`	`Gnurdux`	`and i couldnt`
`00:26.29`	`Gnurdux`	`here ill show you`
`00:26.39`	`Gnurdux`	`gnurdux.homelinux.net:5169`
`00:27.56`	`menotume`	`udp disabled ?`
`00:27.57`	`DTRemenak`	`RPG_: I assume you saw the problem with who has what images in the queue? someone denied the image so you can't see the screenshot now :)`
`00:28.01`	`Gnurdux`	`hmmm`
`00:28.10`	`Gnurdux`	`menotume, what makes you say that>`
`00:28.13`	`RPG_`	`DTRemenak: yep i sawed it`
`00:28.17`	`DTRemenak`	`k good`
`00:28.23`	`menotume`	`err, cause tcp stuff worked`
`00:28.37`	`menotume`	`joind worked, but i can't spawn`
`00:28.38`	`RPG_`	`does .htaccess files work on that server?`
`00:28.44`	`JeffM2501`	`I think so`
`00:28.57`	`DTRemenak`	`they should, yes`
`00:28.57`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad and menotume would know the most`
`00:29.08`	`menotume`	`they should, yes`
`00:29.09`	`menotume`	`:)`
`00:29.31`	`JeffM2501`	`menotume, she wasn't a power of 2`
`00:29.42`	`DTRemenak`	`haha`
`00:29.46`	`menotume`	`she who what ?`
`00:29.53`	`JeffM2501`	`the image ;)`
`00:30.00`	`Gnurdux`	`ah`
`00:30.03`	`menotume`	`ahhh, right :)`
`00:30.05`	`Gnurdux`	`i bet its a router problem`
`00:30.05`	`DTRemenak`	`could add a check for that to the uploader, actually`
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`00:30.11`	`menotume`	`well, should check that opn upload :)`
`00:30.20`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, no they don't have to be`
`00:30.27`	`menotume`	`she HAS a powerful 2`
`00:30.27`	`JeffM2501`	`I was just making a joke`
`00:30.30`	`DTRemenak`	`oh, someone fixed it?`
`00:30.35`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah bz resamples`
`00:30.37`	`goofey`	`hi all - looking for some popular rabbit maps for a lan server - suggestions?`
`00:30.39`	`DTRemenak`	`cool`
`00:30.40`	`JeffM2501`	`it'll look like ass`
`00:30.42`	`JeffM2501`	`but it'll work`
`00:30.58`	`RPG_`	`the server doesn't like my Deny from all .htaccess file`
`00:31.08`	`RPG_`	`somebody want to check the syntax ? :)`
`00:31.14`	`RPG_`	`/image_holding/.htaccess`
`00:32.41`	`Gnurdux`	`nope`
`00:32.42`	`DTRemenak`	`looks like it works to me`
`00:32.45`	`Gnurdux`	`not a router problem`
`00:32.48`	`DTRemenak`	`Forbidden`
`00:32.56`	`RPG_`	`well, try going to img_index.php :)`
`00:33.04`	`menotume`	`it may forbit the script from writing there ?`
`00:33.13`	`RPG_`	`shouldn't`
`00:33.19`	`DTRemenak`	`RPG_: ah, I see`
`00:33.22`	`menotume`	`no, shouldn't`
`00:33.22`	`RPG_`	`since the .htaccess controls apache, and PHP uses the file system to write files`
`00:34.55`	`menotume`	`where did my bikini go ?!?!`
`00:35.15`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`00:35.16`	`JeffM2501`	`umm... it's been moved to a "special" folder`
`00:35.22`	`menotume`	`i bet :)`
`00:36.13`	`menotume`	`pretty waterfall :)`
`00:36.58`	`RPG_`	`DTRemenak: "images waiting approval..." bug fixed.`
`00:37.05`	`DTRemenak`	`cool :)`
`00:38.24`	`Gnurdux`	`something wierd: i can connect from localhost, but not from my IP`
`00:38.33`	`menotume`	`try this in .htaccess: require valid-user`
`00:38.43`	`DTRemenak`	`menotume: can you try uploading an image with filename _newtopic.png?`
`00:38.51`	`RPG_`	`DTRemenak: can't do that, sorry :)`
`00:38.53`	`menotume`	`Gnurdux: yes, look at udp forwarding in your router`
`00:38.58`	`Gnurdux`	`its forwarded`
`00:38.59`	`RPG_`	`oh wait, yes you can`
`00:39.05`	`RPG_`	`i thought you meant "_newtopic.php"`
`00:39.08`	`RPG_`	`just my blurry eyes`
`00:39.09`	`DTRemenak`	`nope`
`00:39.13`	`Gnurdux`	`currently im DMZ`
`00:39.15`	`DTRemenak`	`just want to see if he can trample my image`
`00:39.20`	`DTRemenak`	`I'm logged in as menotume_`
`00:39.30`	`DTRemenak`	`and uploaded newtopic.png ;)`
`00:40.31`	`JeffM2501`	`my poor inbox`
`00:40.57`	`SportChick`	`brlcad: ping`
`00:41.08`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`00:41.08`	`menotume`	`Image 1 (_newtopic.png1) was uploaded without a hitch!`
`00:41.19`	`RPG_`	`it checks mime type, not file extention`
`00:41.22`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, it added a 1 after it`
`00:41.23`	`RPG_`	`yes i'll fix that :)`
`00:41.30`	`RPG_`	`oh, i know why!`
`00:41.35`	`DTRemenak`	`interesting`
`00:41.37`	`RPG_`	`to prevent from overwriting the old one :)`
`00:41.43`	`DTRemenak`	`hehe :)`
`00:41.51`	`RPG_`	`but i'll fix that too`
`00:42.14`	`DTRemenak`	`ooh, it doesn't even show up in the queue...nice job :)`
`00:42.25`	`RPG_`	`:)`
`00:42.33`	`DTRemenak`	`no trampling and no cross-access`
`00:43.24`	`[dmp]`	`globalban him`
`00:43.25`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
`00:43.33`	`menotume`	`ya, ban him !`
`00:43.36`	`JeffM2501`	`HELLLO doraina`
`00:43.44`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`00:44.18`	`brlcad`	`SportChick: pongish`
`00:45.01`	`SportChick`	`brlcad: never mind but check your email :)`
`00:45.05`	`Gnurdux`	`ok ive established that with no conf, it works`
`00:45.39`	`menotume`	`hmm, it would seem that .htacess isn't allowed per dir`
`00:46.13`	`Gnurdux`	`i bet his servmsg is too long`
`00:47.20`	`DTRemenak`	`~spell descretion`
`00:47.29`	`DTRemenak`	`RPG: got that? ;)`
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`00:50.24`	`RPG_`	`yep`
`00:50.32`	`[dmp]`	`i couldnt get it working`
`00:50.50`	`RPG_`	`mine? whats wrong?`
`00:51.28`	`[dmp]`	`i couldnt get .htaccess working either :)`
`00:51.49`	`[dmp]`	`even if i entered a invalid configuration, apache didnt bark at me`
`00:52.21`	`RPG_`	`[dmp]: in your e-mails, this line has a grammar error: The file: IMG_0091.png have been rejected. Reason: Invalid license`
`00:52.27`	`RPG_`	`s/have/has`
`00:52.29`	`Gnurdux`	`his admsg was way too lon g`
`00:53.11`	`menotume`	`ahh`
`00:53.24`	`menotume`	`hmm, more than 16K ?`
`00:53.25`	`RPG_`	`[dmp]: why aren't you meacan anymore?`
`00:53.29`	`Gnurdux`	`prolly`
`00:53.32`	`[dmp]`	`RPG_: noep`
`00:53.52`	`[dmp]`	`RPG_: fixed`
`00:55.46`	`[dmp]`	`RPG_: Everyone except cbg continued to use [dmp] after i changed to meacan, so i figured i might as well use it myself :)`
`00:55.56`	`RPG_`	`heh`
`00:59.28`	`RPG_`	`DTRemenak: the .png1 bug has been fixed.`
`00:59.43`	`DTRemenak`	`cool :) it still gives a unique name, though, right? :)`
`00:59.47`	`RPG_`	`yep`
`00:59.50`	`DTRemenak`	`sweet`
`00:59.50`	`RPG_`	`1.png :)`
`00:59.55`	`DTRemenak`	`that's better ;)`
`01:00.50`	`DTRemenak`	`I love the "suck" license there RPG_... ;)`
`01:01.04`	`goofey`	`any suggestions for a good rabbit-style bzflag map?`
`01:01.21`	`RPG_`	`oh hehe`
`01:01.26`	`RPG_`	`hey how are you seeing this`
`01:01.41`	`DTRemenak`	`I, um, added myself to the approved list ;)`
`01:01.46`	`RPG_`	`gotcha ;)`
`01:01.51`	`menotume`	`JeffM2501: seems i didn't move the script over from SP that deletes 'stale' registrations`
`01:01.56`	`menotume`	`do you want that back on ?`
`01:02.00`	`DTRemenak`	`should really do a group check so it can be administered from within the bb`
`01:02.10`	`RPG_`	`JeffM2501: fixed e-mail link filename bug`
`01:02.19`	`RPG_`	`DTRemenak: yeah, that would be cool`
`01:02.30`	`DTRemenak`	`I think the login thing has the ability to do that`
`01:02.33`	`RPG_`	`it does`
`01:02.38`	`RPG_`	`i wrote that login thingy )`
`01:02.44`	`DTRemenak`	`~RPG++`
`01:02.50`	`RPG_`	`yay karma`
`01:02.53`	`RPG_`	`~karma RPG`
`01:02.53`	`ibot`	`rpg has karma of 13`
`01:02.54`	`menotume`	`JeffM2501: put the picture away for now !`
`01:02.55`	`DTRemenak`	`my bad for not remembering :)`
`01:02.57`	`DTRemenak`	`~rpg++`
`01:03.10`	`menotume`	`~rpg++`
`01:03.15`	`RPG_`	`yayaay thanks`
`01:03.24`	`menotume`	`it's not working ?`
`01:03.29`	`DTRemenak`	`~karma rpg`
`01:03.29`	`ibot`	`rpg has karma of 15`
`01:03.33`	`menotume`	`ahh`
`01:03.35`	`DTRemenak`	`seems to work`
`01:03.45`	`RPG_`	`~karma menotume`
`01:03.45`	`ibot`	`menotume has karma of 229`
`01:03.48`	`RPG_`	`heh`
`01:03.54`	`RPG_`	`joys of ~karmaset`
`01:04.06`	`menotume`	`if you want karma RPG, tell people that you don't want it`
`01:04.14`	`menotume`	`~karmaset`
`01:04.18`	`[dmp]`	`meno dont want karma`
`01:04.34`	`[dmp]`	`didnt work :)`
`01:04.42`	`RPG_`	`:)`
`01:04.57`	`RPG_`	`anyone have any more ideas on how to break the program?`
`01:05.10`	`menotume`	`i'll break it later :)`
`01:05.22`	`menotume`	`ya, playing with GET args`
`01:05.22`	`RPG_`	`whenever you're ready, it'll be ready too :)`
`01:05.30`	`RPG_`	`try it`
`01:05.39`	`menotume`	`heh, not now`
`01:05.46`	`RPG_`	`i validate most of them`
`01:05.53`	`RPG_`	`if they have invalid values it sets them to the default`
`01:06.01`	`RPG_`	`like "how many images would you like to upload?"`
`01:06.04`	`RPG_`	`thats a _GET`
`01:06.12`	`RPG_`	`if you type "ass" or something, it will only give you one field`
`01:06.17`	`RPG_`	`instead of ass number of fields`
`01:06.45`	`DTRemenak`	`how many fields does an ass have anyway?`
`01:10.10`	`orchid`	`lol`
`01:10.57`	`RPG_`	`well, since none of you can break it anymore, i'll move on to other things ;)`
`01:16.24`	`[dmp]`	`uhoh`
`01:17.27`	`DTRemenak`	`...`
`01:20.04`	`JeffM2501`	`hmmm.. I may just have to go see that superman movie`
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`01:23.46`	`menotume`	`JeffM2501: I enabled it`
`01:24.11`	`menotume`	`(delete unactivated accounts after 4 days, run once a day)`
`01:24.15`	`JeffM2501`	`oh`
`01:24.25`	`JeffM2501`	`cus I was gonna wonder how you enabled superman`
`01:24.30`	`JeffM2501`	`cus that'd be cool`
`01:24.58`	`DTRemenak`	`RPG_: I done busted it again.`
`01:26.08`	`Gnurdux`	`where exactly is the GamesUnited map because its not the same as the standard HiX`
`01:28.20`	`brad`	`save world in your client is there for a reason ;)`
`01:29.57`	`menotume`	`it's at GamesUnited`
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`06:24.58`	`L4m3r`	`What happens if I use a different number of verts and texcoords in a mesh face?`
`06:25.58`	`JeffM2501`	`what one has more?`
`06:26.10`	`L4m3r`	`You tell me. :P`
`06:26.20`	`L4m3r`	`either case, I'm just wondering`
`06:26.45`	`JeffM2501`	`if you have more verts, then the verts with out texcords get the last one IIRC`
`06:26.59`	`JeffM2501`	`if you have more text cords, then they are just extra, cus no vert uses them`
`06:27.04`	`L4m3r`	`hm`
`06:27.21`	`L4m3r`	`you could get some interesting gradients that way`
`06:27.48`	`JeffM2501`	`be the same as if you had just defined the UVs that way`
`06:27.55`	`L4m3r`	`and texcoords go by pixels, right?`
`06:28.00`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`06:28.05`	`JeffM2501`	`o tp 1`
`06:28.08`	`JeffM2501`	`0 to 1`
`06:28.09`	`L4m3r`	`ah, ok`
`06:28.15`	`L4m3r`	`Thx.`
`06:28.23`	`JeffM2501`	`0 is the start of the texture, 1 is the end`
`06:28.35`	`L4m3r`	`can you use values greater than one?`
`06:28.40`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah then it repeats`
`06:28.45`	`L4m3r`	`ok, good`
`06:28.49`	`JeffM2501`	`2 would be 2 repeats of the texture`
`06:28.53`	`L4m3r`	`yeah`
`06:29.58`	`Constitution`	`Yay! CVS is fixed.`
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`06:30.25`	`JeffM2501`	`has been since friday`
`06:30.41`	`Constitution`	`Yeah, so I see. I guess I'm behind the times. ;-)`
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`09:18.48`	`LePoulpe303`	`i'm looking for ppl to make funmatch (Gu , ducati, else ...) during week days between 12 AM and 1 PM GMT ; if anyone interested please PM me`
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`12:24.02`	`CBG`	`meacan: I will use whatever name you don't. So since you call yourself [dmp] you are now meacan. :P`
`12:25.17`	`[dmp]`	`CBG: Thats alot of names you need to use :)`
`12:26.12`	`CBG`	`it's either meacan or [dmp]`
`12:26.32`	`CBG`	`I made you change from meacan to [dmp], now I will make you change back! :P`
`12:27.06`	`[dmp]`	`Im sure there is something more worthy to spend your time on, CBG :)`
`12:27.16`	`CBG`	`Like what?`
`12:27.18`	`CBG`	`Exams? loool`
`12:27.24`	`[dmp]`	`SEO :)`
`12:27.38`	`CBG`	`gah. I gave up on that the day after I started. :P`
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`12:52.56`	`BenUrban`	`you should say what timezone applies to that scheduled downtime`
`12:53.20`	`CBG`	`heh`
`12:53.38`	`CBG`	`15th of may was Saturday anyway...`
`12:53.52`	`CBG`	`ugh, no. it was yesterday. monday.`
`12:54.29`	`BenUrban`	`hmm true`
`12:54.33`	`BenUrban`	`nvm then`
`12:54.41`	`CBG`	`:P`
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`14:11.35`	`[suave]`	`oops, wrong window`
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`16:52.17`	`trepan`	`Mr_Molez: find 900 in bzfs.cxx`
`16:55.13`	`Mr_Molez`	`trepan: ok thanks`
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`17:18.16`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: why... you look like a someone!`
`17:20.15`	`JeffM2501`	`naw`
`17:20.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm a nobody`
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`17:36.29`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, glu dosn't have a hemisphere function does it?`
`17:40.17`	`JeffM2501`	`bahh glut dosnt' even have one, looks like I can fake it with some cylinders, or model it`
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`17:55.12`	`brad`	`umm`
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`17:56.40`	`TheRedBaron`	`hrm`
`17:56.45`	`TheRedBaron`	`looks like the party is about to start`
`17:56.58`	`JeffM2501`	`awwww yeah....`
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`17:57.14`	`TheRedBaron`	`~party`
`17:57.20`	`ibot`	`Woohoo! Bot on the loose!`
`17:57.23`	`CBG`	`Did someone say partay?`
`17:57.34`	`somename999`	`~lart everyone`
`17:57.38`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, did the list server have it's downtime ok?`
`18:00.16`	`somename999`	`~lart the server`
`18:00.22`	`JeffM2501`	`you can stop now somename999`
`18:00.34`	`bryjen`	`~nslookup 213.47.95.216`
`18:00.43`	`somename999`	`:)`
`18:01.10`	`JeffM2501`	`oh if I need to I'll just kill the entire webchat`
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`18:54.58`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: curiously it didn't go down yesterday`
`18:55.12`	`brlcad`	`i don't know if a reboot was in order or if it was merely network downtime`
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`18:55.24`	`brlcad`	`might have only been network and nobody noticed`
`18:55.32`	`brlcad`	`though I find that unlikely :)`
`18:55.45`	`brlcad`	`probably just haven't done it yet, I'll see if I can find out`
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`19:19.06`	`BenUrban`	`i'm looking for "dot"`
`19:19.08`	`BenUrban`	`is he here?`
`19:19.33`	`Birdie`	`there are many dots..you mean the player "dot"?`
`19:19.38`	`BenUrban`	`i guess`
`19:19.47`	`BenUrban`	`i'm told that i need to be added to a group by dot`
`19:19.51`	`BenUrban`	`before i can play on this server`
`19:19.56`	`BenUrban`	`or even talk`
`19:19.57`	`BenUrban`	`n:/`
`19:20.00`	`BenUrban`	`~n`
`19:20.02`	`ibot`	`methinks n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure.`
`19:20.06`	`Birdie`	`which server`
`19:20.16`	`brad`	`quantumdot probably`
`19:20.18`	`Birdie`	`you mean from gu?`
`19:20.25`	`Birdie`	`playground, tankwar?`
`19:20.25`	`BenUrban`	`yes`
`19:20.26`	`BenUrban`	`gu`
`19:20.30`	`brad`	`join #guleague`
`19:20.31`	`BenUrban`	`uh 59997`
`19:20.32`	`Birdie`	`i'll add you`
`19:20.34`	`BenUrban`	`k thanks`
`19:20.37`	`BenUrban`	`ah that works`
`19:20.39`	`Birdie`	`this nick is your bzbb nick?`
`19:20.48`	`BenUrban`	`PX[Ben Urban]`
`19:20.57`	`Birdie`	`ugh`
`19:20.59`	`Birdie`	`thats your bzbb account?`
`19:21.01`	`BenUrban`	`yes`
`19:21.05`	`Birdie`	`with the PX?`
`19:21.09`	`BenUrban`	`yes`
`19:21.15`	`Birdie`	`you couldnt pick a more easy name ?:)`
`19:21.19`	`BenUrban`	`assuming you're talking about the name i use for global registration`
`19:21.21`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`19:21.24`	`BenUrban`	`sorry`
`19:21.25`	`Birdie`	`yea i do`
`19:21.33`	`Birdie`	`gimme a min`
`19:21.40`	`Birdie`	`need to find that password first`
`19:22.51`	`Birdie`	`ok look if you can talk`
`19:22.56`	`Birdie`	`if not , say to me here`
`19:23.03`	`BenUrban`	`nope`
`19:23.14`	`BenUrban`	`do i have to rejoin`
`19:23.15`	`BenUrban`	`?`
`19:23.17`	`Birdie`	`rejoin first`
`19:23.18`	`menotume`	`yes`
`19:23.18`	`Birdie`	`ya`
`19:23.19`	`BenUrban`	`k`
`19:23.38`	`BenUrban`	`ok i can talk now`
`19:24.00`	`Birdie`	`there you go`
`19:24.07`	`BenUrban`	`k thanks`
`19:24.09`	`Birdie`	`np`
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`19:33.01`	`amcnabb`	`Is anonymous CVS still down?`
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`19:35.28`	`amcnabb`	`I'm just wondering what's the best way to get changes from the last few days.`
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`19:58.44`	`larsl`	`Evening.`
`19:59.40`	`larsl`	`I'm trying to play 2.0.2, but on all servers I get lag ~200 +- -2147483648 ms and can't kill anyone - is this a known problem?`
`19:59.56`	`larsl`	`-2147483648 = -2^31, if that means anything.`
`20:00.20`	`Manu`	`larsl, are you using debian?`
`20:00.28`	`larsl`	`Manu: No, Mandriva.`
`20:00.41`	`larsl`	`It's the latest RPM for Mandriva 2006.0`
`20:00.53`	`Manu`	`it's an old bug, you must try to update your bzflag`
`20:01.13`	`Manu`	`latest version is 2.0.8`
`20:02.26`	`romfis`	`Manu ?`
`20:03.21`	`trepan`	`ETQW trailer: http://www.gamershell.com/download_9691.shtml`
`20:03.57`	`trepan`	`might be enough to get me to dual-boot :)`
`20:04.22`	`larsl`	`Manu: Thanks, building 2.0.8 now.`
`20:04.24`	`Manu`	`romfis, what ?`
`20:04.27`	`Manu`	`larsl, :)`
`20:04.58`	`TheRedBaron`	`trepan: you're an ET fan? or quake?`
`20:05.07`	`trepan`	`neither`
`20:05.30`	`romfis`	`they have build versions of 2.0.8 for Debian and SUSE LINUX 10 ?`
`20:05.37`	`Birdie`	`bzflagfan:)`
`20:05.48`	`Manu`	`romfis, I guess no but you can compile it`
`20:05.52`	`trepan`	`Birdie: not really`
`20:06.01`	`Birdie`	`oh?`
`20:06.21`	`Manu`	`trepan, tic tac toe? :-p`
`20:06.24`	`romfis`	`yes i can but`
`20:06.53`	`trepan`	`Manu: all time fav game is Total Annihilation`
`20:06.55`	`romfis`	`RPM files in 22MB :(`
`20:07.09`	`Manu`	`trepan, just kidding :)`
`20:07.19`	`romfis`	`and for 22MB for download on my site not good :)`
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`20:18.55`	`larsl`	libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.la'
`20:18.55`	`larsl`	`make[2]: *** [bzflag] Error 1`
`20:18.56`	`larsl`	make[2]: Leaving directory `/mnt/hdb1/home/ll/src/bzflag-2.0.8/src/bzflag'
`20:19.19`	`larsl`	`configure didn't complain about that.`
`20:22.04`	`brlcad`	`woah, been a while larsl`
`20:22.07`	`brlcad`	`howdy`
`20:22.30`	`larsl`	`I have libGL.la in /usr/lib, why doesn't it look there?`
`20:22.33`	`larsl`	`brlcad: Hello.`
`20:24.08`	`brlcad`	`larsl: can you post your config.log somewhere?`
`20:24.47`	`larsl`	`Yeah, one second.`
`20:25.20`	`brlcad`	`rather odd that you'd have a libtool library for libGL regardless`
`20:25.54`	`brlcad`	`the configure checks for GL (still) suck, pretty basic`
`20:25.58`	`larsl`	`http://dinoseq.sourceforge.net/unrelated/config.log`
`20:26.37`	`larsl`	`brlcad: rpm -qf says that /usr/bin/libGL.la is not owned by any package - I wonder if it was installed by the NVIDIA driver installer.`
`20:26.57`	`larsl`	`Yep: "# Generated by nvidia-installer: 1.0.7 (for use by libtool)"`
`20:27.24`	`larsl`	`s/\/usr\/bin/\/usr\/lib/`
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`20:30.22`	`brlcad`	`your config.log is clean, everything looks kosher`
`20:30.54`	`brlcad`	`maybe a problem in that particular .la`
`20:31.18`	`brlcad`	`compile line before and after libtool conversion?`
`20:31.50`	`brlcad`	`i suspect that the /usr/bin/libGL.la references files that do not exist`
`20:33.15`	`larsl`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/zJ4aCn24.html`
`20:33.25`	`larsl`	`That's the command it fails on.`
`20:34.36`	`larsl`	`The .la references libGL.so, libGL.so.1, and libGL.so.1.0.8756, all of which exist in /usr/lib.`
`20:35.14`	`brlcad`	`what about a libGLU.la`
`20:35.56`	`brlcad`	`is that anywhere (even maybe in /usr/X11R6/lib`
`20:36.07`	`larsl`	`Yes, in /usr/X11R6/lib.`
`20:36.31`	`brlcad`	`it probably references a /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.la..`
`20:36.40`	`larsl`	`I wonder why NVIDIA moved libGL to /usr/lib - it has always been somewhere in the X11 directories earlier.`
`20:36.42`	`brlcad`	`i.e. it's busted`
`20:37.02`	`larsl`	`brlcad: Ha, you are right. Thanks.`
`20:37.13`	`brlcad`	`you could make a symlink`
`20:37.25`	`brlcad`	`or remove the .la file so it finds the .so/.a`
`20:37.59`	`brlcad`	`it is odd that nvidia would put the libs into /usr/lib`
`20:38.07`	`larsl`	`I just edited libGLU.la.`
`20:38.12`	`larsl`	`And there she links!`
`20:38.13`	`brlcad`	`heh, that too`
`20:38.56`	`larsl`	`Yes, odd - especially since it must have removed the Mesa GL library from /usr/X11R6/lib, and then installed its own in /usr/lib.`
`20:39.30`	`brlcad`	`what have you been up to lately?`
`20:40.09`	`brlcad`	`bzadmin has missed you`
`20:40.32`	`larsl`	`Everything but schoolwork, unfortunately... I've started hacking on Linux audio software a bit, it's very addictive.`
`20:44.13`	`larsl`	`Yeah, I can shoot people with 2.0.8!`
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`20:46.05`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`20:50.36`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, so I can pull the topic message?`
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`20:52.05`	`*** topic/#bzflag by brlcad -> http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag \|\| http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp \|\| paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca \|\| CVS HEAD is 2.1 UNSTABLE, use for new commits \|\| 2.0.8 is released react acordingly`
`20:52.11`	`brlcad`	`don't see why not :)`
`20:53.04`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`20:54.12`	`JeffM2501`	`like right out to openGL`
`21:00.58`	`brlcad`	`on the fly or one-stop dumps?`
`21:02.22`	`brlcad`	`one of brl-cad's libs does that, dumping out triangles regardless of the primitive or csg ops based on some tessellation tolerance`
`21:03.01`	`JeffM2501`	`I just want some thing like the gluShphere and cylinder, but with more options`
`21:03.03`	`brlcad`	`but it's not something I'd call "on the fly" for anything but simple models, it's a little intensive depending on the geometry`
`21:03.05`	`JeffM2501`	`like a sphereical section`
`21:03.27`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll just fake it :)`
`21:04.04`	`JeffM2501`	`tring to may a parametric cylinder with hemesphere end caps`
`21:04.34`	`brlcad`	`a pill`
`21:04.37`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`21:04.43`	`JeffM2501`	`but that isn't a glu prim`
`21:04.59`	`JeffM2501`	`I can fake the endcaps with cylinders of decresing radius`
`21:05.11`	`brlcad`	`actually, brl-cad has a primitive that is exactly that :) though it's called a particle for stupid reasons..`
`21:05.18`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`21:05.30`	`JeffM2501`	`well I could see it being a particle in flow simulations`
`21:05.44`	`brlcad`	`yeah, it looks like a droplet if one end is a lot smaller`
`21:05.58`	`JeffM2501`	`I want it for a blaster bolt`
`21:06.06`	`brlcad`	`still.. particles are usually something rather different`
`21:06.11`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`21:06.19`	`JeffM2501`	`odd name for it in graphics, when you have "particle systems"`
`21:06.56`	`brlcad`	`the guy that named it has a horrible long history of naming things rather confusingly/poorly`
`21:07.26`	`JeffM2501`	`at least he didn't name it "bob"`
`21:07.50`	`JeffM2501`	`glu_ob(gluNewQuadric(),10,10,4);`
`21:08.04`	`JeffM2501`	`well I can figure it out`
`21:08.08`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`21:08.09`	`JeffM2501`	`just was curous if there was more`
`21:08.13`	`JeffM2501`	`glut has some more`
`21:08.17`	`JeffM2501`	`but mostly teapots ;)`
`21:08.29`	`JeffM2501`	`and I dont' feel like puing glut into BZ`
`21:10.30`	`larsl`	`Is it possible to map toggling of the "Confine mouse" option to a key?`
`21:15.37`	`brlcad`	`probably`
`21:16.42`	`trepan`	`larsl: yup, "mousegrab" bindable command toggles it`
`21:17.21`	`larsl`	`Thanks.`
`21:19.45`	`brlcad`	`wierd that it hooks through the main window to set it rather than checking bzdb`
`21:20.20`	`trepan`	`larsl: heh, forgot, you can bind from inside the client now: "/bind Alt+M down mousegrab"`
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`21:22.02`	`larsl`	`trepan: That is very useful.`
`21:23.36`	`trepan`	`larsl: for about 4 people on this planet ;)`
`21:24.49`	`brlcad`	`hehe`
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`22:50.14`	`wegstar`	`yes?`
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`23:10.39`	`nick125`	`quick question..`
`23:10.46`	`nick125`	`Player <namegoeshere> [0] shot origination -69.403610 -331.959686 13.440895 too far from tank -93.799995 -260.380005 0.000000: distance=76.549020 < what exactly does that mean?`
`23:11.06`	`brlcad`	`nice try larsl`
`23:11.21`	`larsl`	`Huh?`
`23:11.25`	`brlcad`	`-o :)`
`23:11.52`	`larsl`	`I got kicked earlier with a message similar to that.`
`23:12.16`	`larsl`	`With the buggy 2.0.2 client.`
`23:13.01`	`brlcad`	`but seeing that in game would be wierd too i suppose..`
`23:13.43`	`brlcad`	`unless you mean what nick125's talking about`
`23:14.18`	`brlcad`	`nick125: that means the server was told that a shot was fired far away from the tank that supposedly fired it`
`23:14.58`	`larsl`	`That's what I meant.`
`23:15.20`	`larsl`	`Getting kicked from a server with the message "nice try larsl" would be really scary, since I use another callsign.`
`23:15.39`	`nick125`	`hrm`
`23:16.03`	`brlcad`	`ahh, heh -- nah, just meant the deop try`
`23:16.32`	`larsl`	`nick125: It could mean that namegoeshere tried to cheat, but probably just that he had a really bad lag spike.`
`23:17.26`	`nick125`	`hrm..`
`23:18.24`	`brlcad`	`lag spike wouldn't cause that, but possibly really bad packet reordering or perhaps a rather inconvenient dropped packet that was being assumed server-side`
`23:19.20`	`brlcad`	`a spike with reordering on the old client is likely, as is cheating`
`23:22.12`	`blast007`	`could lag + going through a teleporter cause it?`
`23:39.02`	`brlcad`	`possibly`
`23:39.12`	`brlcad`	`i still think it would require a slight reorder delivery`
`23:39.43`	`brlcad`	`which is easily likely if it's nice and laggy, the position updates are all udp`
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`23:40.25`	`brlcad`	`the shot updates are not, so if the shot just took forever to get delivered reliably, and the tank passed through a teleporter in the meantime, I could see it happening`
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