| 00:00.05 | JeffM2501 | a graphic engine is only as good as it's input |
| 00:00.09 | Mr_Molez | bzflag uses a picture image to display the tank doesn't it ? |
| 00:00.17 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 00:00.24 | JeffM2501 | the tank is a 3d mesh |
| 00:00.58 | Mr_Molez | ah ok |
| 00:01.24 | JeffM2501 | a real graphic engine would give us more options in the art |
| 00:01.28 | JeffM2501 | and better lighting |
| 00:01.35 | JeffM2501 | but it ain't gonna make the tank look any dif |
| 00:01.43 | JeffM2501 | it'll still have the same 3d geometry |
| 00:02.27 | Mr_Molez | wouldn't a different engine make it easier to create new graphics ? |
| 00:02.39 | JeffM2501 | depends on the engine |
| 00:02.54 | JeffM2501 | many of our geometrys are hard coded |
| 00:02.58 | JeffM2501 | so it' be hard to get them into the new eninge |
| 00:03.03 | JeffM2501 | cus most engines read from external files |
| 00:03.11 | JeffM2501 | it's posible |
| 00:03.17 | Mr_Molez | nice :D |
| 00:03.18 | JeffM2501 | but not just like droping in a lib |
| 00:04.10 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: do you know of a way to make bzflag work without a graphics card :) perhaps make it run/show in a terminal ? |
| 00:04.30 | JeffM2501 | the term is "headless" |
| 00:04.35 | JeffM2501 | not with out major mods to the code |
| 00:04.41 | purple_cow | it's a freaking 3-D game |
| 00:04.45 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 00:04.50 | JeffM2501 | the client is very dependent on OPenGL |
| 00:04.51 | purple_cow | you play it with 3-D hardware |
| 00:04.52 | orchid | asciiflag |
| 00:04.56 | purple_cow | 'nuff said |
| 00:05.03 | JeffM2501 | bzadmin is basicly a text client |
| 00:05.13 | Mr_Molez | ok one more dumb question |
| 00:05.14 | JeffM2501 | what did you want to do ? |
| 00:05.26 | Mr_Molez | -window -- that is suppose to be used to work with multi monitors right ? |
| 00:05.33 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:05.36 | JeffM2501 | that is to run it in a window |
| 00:05.42 | JeffM2501 | -window -geometry 800x600 |
| 00:05.48 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: im just trying to find ways get past the lack of server side bots |
| 00:05.48 | JeffM2501 | then it's not full screen |
| 00:05.59 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, there isn't a good way |
| 00:06.16 | JeffM2501 | some colege classes made a headless bz |
| 00:06.24 | JeffM2501 | but I think it was old, based on 1.10 |
| 00:06.25 | Mr_Molez | sorry i dont mean window i mean -view |
| 00:06.36 | Mr_Molez | ah nice ill google that |
| 00:06.41 | JeffM2501 | the view options are for various 3d displays |
| 00:06.54 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, I don't think they published source anywhere |
| 00:07.00 | Mr_Molez | argh |
| 00:07.03 | purple_cow | they just don't listen, do they |
| 00:07.08 | JeffM2501 | no they don't |
| 00:07.15 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, there IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO DO IT |
| 00:07.19 | JeffM2501 | trust me |
| 00:07.20 | JeffM2501 | I tried |
| 00:07.24 | Mr_Molez | ok |
| 00:07.31 | JeffM2501 | that's why I started the server side bot hooks |
| 00:07.56 | Mr_Molez | going back to the -view discussion |
| 00:08.20 | JeffM2501 | that is for like red/blue 3d displays |
| 00:08.25 | JeffM2501 | or HMDs |
| 00:08.40 | Mr_Molez | is there a way to split the bzflag window into two parts, one part on one monitor and the other part on another monitor |
| 00:08.50 | purple_cow | not two |
| 00:08.50 | Mr_Molez | oh 3d glasses ? |
| 00:08.57 | JeffM2501 | well if you are on windows, maybe |
| 00:08.58 | purple_cow | it'll do 3 with the right setup |
| 00:09.09 | Mr_Molez | and this is possible with -view ? |
| 00:09.10 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, it's there a left right setup? |
| 00:09.24 | JeffM2501 | windows can make both displays seem like one big one to BZ |
| 00:09.40 | JeffM2501 | the -view stuff is VERY specific |
| 00:10.01 | JeffM2501 | let me look |
| 00:10.06 | JeffM2501 | I riped them out of playground |
| 00:10.08 | Mr_Molez | well i have setup multimonitors on windows and have tried all -view options. But either the display shows normal. or two bzflags show on the same monitor |
| 00:10.26 | purple_cow | i don't think it'll do left/right horizontal split |
| 00:10.26 | JeffM2501 | well you'd have to put your display in twin view |
| 00:10.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah it only does a vertical |
| 00:10.43 | Mr_Molez | ah i will try it now |
| 00:10.43 | purple_cow | and even then, it's an eye-split |
| 00:10.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:10.53 | purple_cow | so you'll get two copies of the HUD |
| 00:10.59 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, do you want it as one big panarama? |
| 00:11.06 | JeffM2501 | or the same image on each display? |
| 00:11.14 | JeffM2501 | oh wait you have an ATI card |
| 00:11.15 | JeffM2501 | never mind |
| 00:11.18 | JeffM2501 | your screwed |
| 00:11.20 | Mr_Molez | one big panarama |
| 00:11.25 | Mr_Molez | aww lol |
| 00:11.28 | JeffM2501 | if you had an nVidia yes |
| 00:11.36 | Mr_Molez | what is different about nvidia ? |
| 00:11.37 | JeffM2501 | cus the driver in twinview shows as one big display to the OS |
| 00:11.40 | purple_cow | three gives you side windows, but i don't think you can use it outside of an SGI machine |
| 00:11.48 | JeffM2501 | no you can't |
| 00:11.54 | Mr_Molez | grr ati. ok thanks |
| 00:12.09 | purple_cow | since it requires pretty specific control over framebuffer->screen mappings |
| 00:12.09 | JeffM2501 | the nvidia would let you clone too |
| 00:12.16 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, yeah |
| 00:12.33 | JeffM2501 | he could do it as twinview on nvidia and just have one big ass context |
| 00:12.41 | JeffM2501 | that's the only way I can think of |
| 00:12.54 | purple_cow | that's really hard to use on 2 screens |
| 00:13.04 | JeffM2501 | I've done it |
| 00:13.05 | JeffM2501 | it's fine |
| 00:13.06 | purple_cow | big split right in the middle of your view |
| 00:13.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:13.10 | JeffM2501 | it's a pain to play |
| 00:13.11 | JeffM2501 | and fugly |
| 00:13.13 | JeffM2501 | but it works |
| 00:13.37 | JeffM2501 | I'm fine with my 1920x1200 views |
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| 00:22.37 | goofey | any mac bzflahg players here? |
| 00:22.47 | goofey | er, bzflag... |
| 00:25.57 | goofey | well, i have a 500mhz G4 with 256mb ram and a 32mv ati pci card (ruinning 10.3.9) - launching bzflag 2.0.4 gives me a blank screen - any ideas? |
| 00:26.47 | goofey | (fwiw - it's appears to be running - hitting escape and other keys gives me the bzflag menu sounds..... |
| 00:28.27 | goofey | as far as I can tell, this box meets the minimum requirements |
| 00:29.11 | Mr_Molez | goofey: delete your bzflag config file then try starting bzflag again |
| 00:29.31 | JeffM2501 | you may want to try 2.0.6 as well |
| 00:29.40 | JeffM2501 | the problem was reported quite a bit |
| 00:29.43 | JeffM2501 | and some things were change |
| 00:29.51 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it was mostly due to apple openGL |
| 00:30.38 | goofey | i'll try both ideas - thanks guys! |
| 00:30.59 | goofey | (not surprised by the apple opengl being the issue btw) |
| 00:31.13 | JeffM2501 | you are on an older OS |
| 00:31.19 | JeffM2501 | so you don't get the driver updates |
| 00:31.35 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, i have an idea for your plugin thingy |
| 00:31.51 | Gnurdux | make an /ireadrules command, that you have to do before it allows you to spawn |
| 00:32.38 | Gnurdux | two commands: /rules for the rules and /ireadrules to allow spawn |
| 00:32.58 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, why not just /agree |
| 00:33.09 | Gnurdux | or that |
| 00:33.12 | Gnurdux | thats shorter |
| 00:33.29 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, cause the rules are complex: PZ and nonPZ shots are switched, if you die you get zoned |
| 00:33.42 | JeffM2501 | I'm just saying instead of your command name |
| 00:33.45 | Gnurdux | winner is the one whos left nonzoned at the end |
| 00:33.46 | JeffM2501 | I understand WHY |
| 00:33.47 | Gnurdux | yea ok |
| 00:33.57 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to explain things that are allready known |
| 00:35.53 | Gnurdux | sry |
| 00:39.46 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, here are the images from the ogre experiment, http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/temp/ogre/ogre/ |
| 00:46.07 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: thanks |
| 00:46.13 | JeffM2501 | BZArena looked better then that |
| 00:47.14 | Mr_Molez | lol the sky looks terrible |
| 00:47.23 | JeffM2501 | it's just a simple skybox |
| 00:47.47 | Mr_Molez | interesting though :) |
| 00:47.47 | JeffM2501 | like I say it's all art |
| 00:47.51 | JeffM2501 | some skyboxes look better |
| 00:47.58 | JeffM2501 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/temp/clouds2.jpg |
| 00:48.34 | Mr_Molez | oh that is nicer |
| 00:48.37 | Mr_Molez | pockettanks ? |
| 00:48.45 | goofey | that worked - tanks folks! hehehe |
| 00:48.49 | JeffM2501 | and tha'ts a lot older |
| 00:48.53 | Mr_Molez | goofey: which worked ? |
| 00:49.04 | JeffM2501 | it was based on pocket engine |
| 00:49.09 | JeffM2501 | so pockettanks |
| 00:49.20 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: nice |
| 00:49.41 | Mr_Molez | ohh pocket tanks !! |
| 00:49.44 | Mr_Molez | i use to love that game |
| 00:49.55 | JeffM2501 | you did? |
| 00:49.58 | Mr_Molez | yep |
| 00:49.59 | goofey | Mr_Molez: well, not 100% |
| 00:50.09 | JeffM2501 | I odn't know how you plaied it |
| 00:50.11 | Mr_Molez | cant remember what i use to play it on |
| 00:50.13 | Mr_Molez | amiga or something |
| 00:50.13 | JeffM2501 | cus that code was never eleased |
| 00:50.18 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 00:50.22 | JeffM2501 | probably another game then |
| 00:50.24 | Mr_Molez | no not this exact version |
| 00:50.32 | Mr_Molez | but something very similar |
| 00:50.35 | JeffM2501 | that's not a "version" of anyting |
| 00:50.39 | Mr_Molez | you know what i mean |
| 00:50.41 | JeffM2501 | it's just sample code :) |
| 00:52.47 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 00:53.00 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:53.05 | JeffM2501 | one day it'll all add up to a full ass |
| 00:53.10 | L4m3r | lol |
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| 00:53.55 | JeffM2501 | every one gets more and more stuff |
| 00:54.03 | goofey | Mr_Molez: i upgraded to 2.0.6 and removed old config files, still blank screen so I windowed it and was able to set a resolution I could use.... |
| 00:54.03 | JeffM2501 | pocket engine -> LGE -> OGF |
| 00:54.31 | JeffM2501 | to what ever the heck the current code is |
| 00:55.20 | Mr_Molez | goofey: ok :) |
| 00:55.32 | JeffM2501 | glCaster was my favorate tho |
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| 01:24.16 | pianoboy3333 | I thought 2.0.8 was going to be released last weekend? |
| 01:24.48 | pianoboy3333 | Not done yet? It's not going to be a big update or anything... I just strangly like to compile things... |
| 01:25.02 | L4m3r | asking like that won't get it done any faster ;) |
| 01:25.30 | L4m3r | last I checked it was still in the testing phase... |
| 01:25.47 | Mr_Molez | L4m3r: asking anyway wont get it done faster |
| 01:26.05 | Mr_Molez | pianoboy3333: they are talking about doing it this week |
| 01:26.25 | pianoboy3333 | lol, next week, this week, last week, all the same :) |
| 01:26.27 | Mr_Molez | argh forgot what i was going to do now ! :( |
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| 01:45.01 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, i wrote a plugin that your thingy could use |
| 01:45.29 | Gnurdux | wait |
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| 01:55.57 | L4m3r | FFS someone tell Gurdux to at least PING me before attempting to send a damn file |
| 01:56.28 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.38 | L4m3r | ty :) |
| 01:56.41 | menotume | np :) |
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| 01:58.48 | menotume | i had to look up FFS, cool :) |
| 01:59.19 | L4m3r | lol |
| 02:00.03 | L4m3r | and on that subject, why didn't you guys WARN me about him earlier! eeeeaaaaarghhhh |
| 02:00.26 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 02:00.49 | JeffM2501 | bout who? |
| 02:01.03 | purple_cow | gnurdux |
| 02:01.08 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:01.18 | JeffM2501 | he's L4m3r's new BEST FRIEND |
| 02:01.59 | L4m3r | :( |
| 02:02.28 | JeffM2501 | is he buging you a lot tho |
| 02:02.30 | JeffM2501 | really? |
| 02:12.55 | Mr_Molez | all hail gnurdux ! |
| 02:14.50 | JeffM2501 | I'll bet he's your REAL secret weapon to kill the comunity ;) |
| 02:17.02 | Mr_Molez | seems all i had to do was send the cheat to one person to kill it ;) |
| 02:17.26 | JeffM2501 | and who was that? |
| 02:17.52 | Mr_Molez | carn |
| 02:18.04 | JeffM2501 | I don't think he can kill a comunity |
| 02:18.19 | Mr_Molez | duno ducati league is dead ;) |
| 02:18.23 | JeffM2501 | I think he can make DB think the comunity is dying |
| 02:18.24 | JeffM2501 | no it's not |
| 02:18.29 | JeffM2501 | you know SO very little |
| 02:18.30 | Mr_Molez | yup, it is |
| 02:18.37 | Mr_Molez | i know every thing |
| 02:18.40 | JeffM2501 | chestal is doing a reorg |
| 02:18.50 | Mr_Molez | reorg ? |
| 02:18.52 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 02:18.57 | JeffM2501 | redoing how the leauge is run |
| 02:19.01 | JeffM2501 | that's why no new matches |
| 02:19.02 | Mr_Molez | oh please |
| 02:19.04 | JeffM2501 | it's all being redone |
| 02:19.14 | JeffM2501 | like I said you know so very little |
| 02:19.32 | Mr_Molez | no new matches ? |
| 02:19.36 | Mr_Molez | what do you mean by that ? |
| 02:19.48 | JeffM2501 | I don't think the leauge is active becase they are redoing it |
| 02:19.54 | JeffM2501 | and addressing the activity issues |
| 02:19.55 | Mr_Molez | uh ? lol |
| 02:20.03 | JeffM2501 | i'ts not dead, just resting it's eyes ;) |
| 02:20.09 | Mr_Molez | its inactive cuz no 1 is playing |
| 02:20.23 | JeffM2501 | I don't think your cheat did that |
| 02:20.26 | JeffM2501 | it wasn't that active before |
| 02:20.32 | Mr_Molez | true |
| 02:20.57 | Mr_Molez | and you cant say i know very little i have been in this league for about 1 1/2 years |
| 02:20.58 | JeffM2501 | it's more active on the backend then you think tho |
| 02:21.09 | JeffM2501 | yes I can, cus I know you can't see what they are doing ;) |
| 02:21.23 | Mr_Molez | talking means nothing |
| 02:21.26 | Mr_Molez | its matches that count |
| 02:21.29 | Mr_Molez | it is a league afterall |
| 02:22.03 | Mr_Molez | plus i know what they are doing |
| 02:22.16 | Mr_Molez | getting loads of people that dont even play to discuss how to improve it |
| 02:25.15 | Mr_Molez | i wouldn't be suprised if they drag you in on the discussion ! lol |
| 02:26.35 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:26.37 | JeffM2501 | no they shant |
| 02:26.45 | JeffM2501 | and it's not loads |
| 02:26.48 | JeffM2501 | I've been following it |
| 02:27.01 | JeffM2501 | if they can pull it off it should be a lot better |
| 02:27.07 | JeffM2501 | but time will tell |
| 02:28.43 | Mr_Molez | if you ask me its all this "its suppose to be fun" stuff. Its more about trying not to hurt peoples feelings these days instead of the challenge of trying to win |
| 02:29.01 | JeffM2501 | naw, that's just what DB does |
| 02:29.30 | JeffM2501 | and the other class 1 players |
| 02:29.39 | Mr_Molez | db ? |
| 02:29.45 | JeffM2501 | think hard |
| 02:29.55 | Mr_Molez | what has db got to do with anything ? |
| 02:30.07 | JeffM2501 | he likes to hurt people's feelings |
| 02:30.10 | JeffM2501 | and get revenge |
| 02:30.27 | Mr_Molez | he is just alittle loud. Im sure its not intentional |
| 02:30.35 | JeffM2501 | no it is |
| 02:30.37 | Mr_Molez | he is american afterall |
| 02:30.38 | JeffM2501 | it's allways been |
| 02:30.43 | JeffM2501 | he's southern |
| 02:30.44 | Mr_Molez | you americans are all the same ;) |
| 02:30.48 | JeffM2501 | sure we are |
| 02:31.09 | Mr_Molez | apart from a few ofcourse ;) |
| 02:31.35 | Mr_Molez | there is nothing wrong with wanting to win |
| 02:31.43 | Mr_Molez | its a league :) |
| 02:32.00 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 02:32.03 | Mr_Molez | and he just gets a bit vocal about getting a match so he can get points |
| 02:32.07 | JeffM2501 | he wants to do more then win ;) |
| 02:33.32 | Mr_Molez | the cheaters have revived their team and they have like 17 wins in a row |
| 02:33.37 | Mr_Molez | oops sorry i mean the barons |
| 02:33.49 | JeffM2501 | see that's the part where you want more to win |
| 02:33.57 | JeffM2501 | where you want abject humilation of people |
| 02:34.06 | JeffM2501 | that's why you too are class 1 |
| 02:34.14 | Mr_Molez | :O |
| 02:34.17 | Mr_Molez | what is class 2 ? |
| 02:34.27 | JeffM2501 | gnardux |
| 02:34.30 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 02:34.33 | Mr_Molez | oh comeon |
| 02:34.39 | JeffM2501 | no sorry |
| 02:34.42 | JeffM2501 | he's class 3 |
| 02:34.49 | Mr_Molez | that's harsh |
| 02:35.10 | JeffM2501 | it's not leveled by skill or order :) |
| 02:35.13 | Mr_Molez | its very rare i talk about people for no reason |
| 02:36.38 | Mr_Molez | plus i dont care about winning |
| 02:36.50 | Mr_Molez | i can go matches without winning all the time |
| 02:37.10 | Mr_Molez | but i dont not try just to save peoples feelings :P |
| 02:38.03 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: u should join the ducati league, there is loads of gossip and most people do more talking than playing, you will love it :D |
| 02:38.08 | orange | sportsmanship is never out of style |
| 02:38.41 | orange | my six-year-old knows it instinctively |
| 02:38.47 | orange | why do people forget it when they get older? |
| 02:39.09 | Mr_Molez | I thought they learnt it as they get older ? |
| 02:39.22 | L4m3r | I think the old-timers just tend to be more... serious. Too serious. :P |
| 02:40.21 | L4m3r | at mofo we cuss each other out, flame people into oblivion, yell obscenities over the admin channel... but all in good fun. No one is a jerk about it. |
| 02:40.34 | Mr_Molez | uhh |
| 02:40.40 | JeffM2501 | why would I want to play the silly game? |
| 02:40.47 | L4m3r | lol |
| 02:40.48 | orange | L4m3r: do you get mad when people don't want to join in? |
| 02:40.58 | orange | do you attack them? |
| 02:41.02 | L4m3r | orange: what do you mean? |
| 02:41.17 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: no its fun.. you play become respected become admin. never play then bitch about everyone that does play :D its wonderful |
| 02:41.22 | orange | the people that don't want to go to mofo and participate... do you abuse them? Attack them for not wanting to be part of it? |
| 02:41.32 | L4m3r | of course not |
| 02:41.43 | orange | then I would have no issue with it |
| 02:41.44 | Mr_Molez | what is mofo ? a league ? |
| 02:41.46 | L4m3r | this is on the server(s), the people who aren't there aren't involved |
| 02:41.46 | orange | it's pretty simple |
| 02:41.55 | orange | L4m3r: of course you don't... I was just making a point |
| 02:42.04 | L4m3r | mofo is a growing ring of servers... |
| 02:42.12 | Mr_Molez | what map ? |
| 02:42.18 | L4m3r | we're resurrecting a league also |
| 02:42.27 | L4m3r | the classic mofo map is the "passion" map |
| 02:42.43 | Mr_Molez | got a link to a website ? or a server the map runs on |
| 02:42.44 | L4m3r | FFA/four-team/two-team varaints |
| 02:43.12 | L4m3r | there's a "planet mofo" free-for-all server that's almost always on the front page of the list |
| 02:43.12 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, I became admin with out playing |
| 02:43.26 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: i mean on servers/leagues |
| 02:43.29 | L4m3r | we're expanding into new maps and modes, though |
| 02:43.47 | Mr_Molez | mofo = anything |
| 02:43.57 | L4m3r | the only really consistent thing on our servers are the admins, and the "cussing allowed" policy |
| 02:44.11 | Mr_Molez | sounds interesting :p |
| 02:44.14 | orange | Mr_Molez: how do you actually know who plays and who doesn't, btw? I always wonder when people say that. |
| 02:44.15 | L4m3r | lol |
| 02:44.18 | JeffM2501 | techincaly I'm admin on a bunch fo servers |
| 02:44.28 | Mr_Molez | orange: i do go to match ports |
| 02:44.33 | L4m3r | yeah, because you're in the dev group, jeff :P |
| 02:44.45 | L4m3r | and you could drop yourself into any global group anyway |
| 02:45.01 | orange | Mr_Molez: but, all the time? |
| 02:45.08 | Mr_Molez | orange: pretty much im online alot |
| 02:45.21 | Mr_Molez | orange: and alot of people tell me about the matches they have played |
| 02:45.27 | JeffM2501 | I don't see you making your own fun leauge there molez just bitchin about it |
| 02:45.30 | orange | Mr_Molez: so only matches count for 'playing'? |
| 02:45.43 | Mr_Molez | i aint making a league lol |
| 02:45.48 | Mr_Molez | orange: yeh |
| 02:45.52 | orange | ok |
| 02:46.26 | Mr_Molez | L4m3r: website ? |
| 02:46.40 | L4m3r | http://planet-mofo.com |
| 02:46.45 | Mr_Molez | tankies :p |
| 02:47.00 | L4m3r | For the love of everything holy, don't forget the hyphen. |
| 02:47.01 | JeffM2501 | that's right it's allways someone else's job to satisfy you |
| 02:47.26 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: uhhuh i never asked for anything |
| 02:47.29 | Mr_Molez | there is already a fun league |
| 02:47.41 | JeffM2501 | but you'll bitch about others and how the system and project are run |
| 02:47.48 | Mr_Molez | thats life |
| 02:48.18 | Mr_Molez | you bitch about people and how childish they act, i bitch about leagues |
| 02:48.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah but I'm trying to make them NOT be like that ;) and contributing |
| 02:48.46 | Mr_Molez | heh, right :P |
| 02:48.58 | JeffM2501 | maybe making cheats would make them be better |
| 02:49.01 | JeffM2501 | I'll try that |
| 02:49.24 | Mr_Molez | you do that |
| 02:49.38 | JeffM2501 | who says I haven't already? ;) |
| 02:49.46 | Mr_Molez | i never said you havn't |
| 02:50.38 | Mr_Molez | oh that reminds me i got some fun matches to report on the fun league |
| 02:51.53 | Mr_Molez | L4m3r: winxp aint apart of mofo is he ? |
| 02:52.16 | L4m3r | iirc he's hosted on one of our servers, or at least has been |
| 02:52.19 | L4m3r | otherwise, no |
| 02:52.40 | Mr_Molez | yay |
| 02:53.14 | L4m3r | all the major players are in mofo.admin, and other affiliates are in mofo.cop (the listings are public right?) |
| 02:53.50 | Mr_Molez | duno im still trying to get my head around what it is about |
| 02:53.57 | L4m3r | lol |
| 02:54.00 | L4m3r | so are we |
| 02:54.34 | L4m3r | availability of bandwidth is new for us, before we only had one server |
| 02:54.41 | L4m3r | hosted on a DSL line |
| 02:55.03 | Mr_Molez | eww |
| 02:55.10 | Mr_Molez | that sucks :P |
| 02:55.11 | L4m3r | hey, it worked |
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| 03:00.21 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is 2.1 UNSTABLE, use for new commits || 2.0.6 is released - v2_0_6 tag in CVS || 2.0.7 is at http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/temp/builds |
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| 03:00.26 | pyr0[a] | now im off to find something to do and somewhere to play, adios |
| 03:00.35 | L4m3r | it piggybacks off BZBB auth. You can login. |
| 03:00.53 | Mr_Molez | oh sweet |
| 03:01.35 | Mr_Molez | welcome back to the planet mofo website ? hmm have i been here before ? |
| 03:01.49 | L4m3r | from the login page I presume |
| 03:01.58 | L4m3r | ;) |
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| 03:35.09 | supertanker | hello |
| 03:38.40 | supertanker | when I try to join a server my computer randomly locks up. Any ideas? |
| 03:49.35 | SeaSharp | hrm |
| 03:49.47 | SeaSharp | how do I run multiple instances of bzfs on a nix box? |
| 03:49.51 | SeaSharp | anyone have an idea? |
| 03:50.13 | DTRemenak | change the port number for each instance |
| 03:50.40 | DTRemenak | -p <port> on the commandline or in the config file |
| 03:51.00 | SeaSharp | ahhh righto |
| 03:51.07 | SeaSharp | because it says one is already running |
| 03:51.49 | SeaSharp | hrmmm |
| 03:51.59 | SeaSharp | ill have to play with this a bit and see if I can get it right |
| 03:59.01 | SeaSharp | nice methinks it worked |
| 04:05.25 | SeaSharp | I am running the map that wnc uses for a little while to try out serverload |
| 04:05.30 | SeaSharp | seems to work fine tho |
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| 04:12.00 | JeffM2501 | how much bandwith do you have? |
| 04:15.48 | Mr_Molez | SeaSharp: aint u the person offering the hosting ? |
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| 07:14.49 | JeffM2501 | ohh the class 2 players are so easy to rile :) |
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| 11:59.34 | I_Died_Once | new Planet MoFo admin: SportChick |
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| 15:11.36 | CBG | I'm "part of the MoFo crew"? Is that an achievement... or what? |
| 15:18.43 | Mr_Molez | CBG: im gona kick yo ass |
| 15:18.49 | Mr_Molez | im on RPG's team ;) |
| 15:18.51 | Mr_Molez | so matcgh ! |
| 15:18.53 | Mr_Molez | *matrch |
| 15:18.56 | Mr_Molez | uhh*match |
| 15:20.36 | CBG | Mr_Molez: heh, I'm undefeated. It's hilarious. |
| 15:20.48 | CBG | little ol' me... all alone. :P |
| 15:24.35 | brad | can you match 1vs1? |
| 15:24.43 | CBG | Yep. |
| 15:24.48 | brad | molez, cbg.. let's go :) |
| 15:24.50 | CBG | There are practically no rules. |
| 15:25.18 | brad | where do we go CBG |
| 15:25.25 | CBG | My first match was with a-delusion. We both played ffa for a couple mins, 1 on 1, then he suddenly started the match when we were both in the middle of the map... lol. |
| 15:25.38 | CBG | Kinda crazy when you're used to the more strict leagues. |
| 15:25.56 | brad | yep |
| 15:26.17 | CBG | As for where to go, the same server so use any of the domains/ip's pointing to it (cbg.bzflag.org) but I forget the IP. |
| 15:26.22 | brad | cbg, port 4358 |
| 15:26.24 | CBG | s/IP/Port/ |
| 15:26.39 | CBG | have fun. :P |
| 15:26.45 | brad | you're coming.. |
| 15:26.58 | CBG | You're sure? |
| 15:27.04 | brad | indeed I am |
| 15:27.13 | CBG | I'm not. |
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| 15:27.24 | brad | :( |
| 15:37.12 | CBG | Mr_Molez: ping. brad's waiting :P |
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| 15:37.29 | CBG | ~Saturos++ |
| 15:37.41 | Saturos | Hmm.. jeff isnt here. |
| 15:37.45 | Saturos | ping trepan |
| 15:37.47 | Saturos | Hi CBG. :) |
| 15:37.52 | CBG | hey ;) |
| 15:38.37 | Saturos | http://saturos.de/projects/upload/files/title.png <- recycled title for 2.0.8 |
| 15:39.31 | Saturos | Nintendo press-conference starts in 45 minutes. |
| 15:39.48 | Saturos | I bet it will be 120 but the schedule says its less than an hour |
| 15:39.58 | Saturos | consider me hyped :D |
| 15:40.00 | CBG | :) |
| 15:40.54 | Saturos | Finally we will see Wii-titles in action. Not that anything can beat BZ, but the Nintendo-fanboy in me wakes up for a few days while E3. :) |
| 15:41.12 | CBG | Nothing can _ever_ beat BZ. |
| 15:41.18 | Saturos | No doubt. |
| 15:41.29 | CBG | ~Saturos++ |
| 15:41.40 | Saturos | ~CBG-- |
| 15:46.18 | trepan | Saturos: ? |
| 15:46.31 | Saturos | trepan: the title.png |
| 15:46.36 | Saturos | http://saturos.de/projects/upload/files/title.png |
| 15:46.41 | Saturos | jeff asked me for it. |
| 15:46.51 | Saturos | I thought you could commit it. Or make sure he gets it. :) |
| 15:48.37 | SportChick | Saturos: jeff will get it |
| 15:48.44 | Saturos | Thanks. :) |
| 15:49.25 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/data/title.png: 2.0.8 title.png from Saturos |
| 15:49.29 | bryjen | are we planning an "accident" for him? |
| 15:49.46 | Saturos | Thanks trepan! :) |
| 16:04.11 | orange | hehe |
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| 16:05.44 | bryjen | ~shower menotume |
| 16:05.45 | ibot | *snif* *snif* hmmm, menotume, you smell awfull... you need a shower asap! |
| 16:06.22 | menotume | smart bot :) |
| 16:06.45 | bryjen | no, that's reek |
| 16:07.06 | orange | ~spell awful |
| 16:07.15 | orange | not so smart bot |
| 16:07.21 | menotume | hmm, JeffM set that one up ? |
| 16:07.32 | JeffM2501 | I did? |
| 16:07.39 | menotume | just asking :P |
| 16:07.44 | JeffM2501 | I'm not the only poor speller you know ;) |
| 16:07.48 | menotume | lol |
| 16:07.56 | menotume | ya, mee to |
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| 16:08.46 | orange | fun-time's over |
| 16:08.51 | JeffM2501 | awww |
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| 16:13.06 | GeorLi | hallo |
| 16:13.33 | GeorLi | I can't get the serverlist :/ |
| 16:17.26 | RatOmeter | It's working fine for me, GeorLi |
| 16:17.45 | RatOmeter | temporary glitch, maybe? |
| 16:20.31 | GeorLi | At 12 it works for me fine, too. But at the moment nothing.......i can click and click .............. |
| 16:21.19 | JeffM2501 | can you get to http://my.bzflag.org ? |
| 16:22.39 | GeorLi | no, i can't |
| 16:22.47 | JeffM2501 | then your ISP has a route problem |
| 16:22.53 | Saturos | JeffM2501: I seem to be the only one who isnt getting global login at the moment... maybe because I am admin on the server. |
| 16:23.03 | Saturos | Any idea why? |
| 16:23.10 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 16:23.44 | GeorLi | What can i do? "ISP"??? |
| 16:24.04 | GeorLi | I'am a DAU :D |
| 16:24.19 | JeffM2501 | your internet provider |
| 16:24.40 | GeorLi | ah, ok |
| 16:24.47 | Saturos | I cant get to bzbb either... :| |
| 16:24.51 | JeffM2501 | I can |
| 16:24.59 | JeffM2501 | maybe there is a break in some lines |
| 16:25.04 | Mr_Molez | global login is down ;) |
| 16:25.14 | Saturos | Restarting my PC wont help I guess... |
| 16:25.23 | bryjen | works here too |
| 16:25.29 | JeffM2501 | works for me |
| 16:25.45 | Saturos | hm hm. I'll restart. Restarting always helps. |
| 16:25.52 | Mr_Molez | works not ;) |
| 16:25.54 | Mr_Molez | not = now |
| 16:27.09 | bryjen | hmm, t-dialin and t-ipconnect |
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| 16:41.16 | GeorLi | i can open my.bzflag.org :) |
| 16:41.22 | JeffM2501 | hooray |
| 16:42.06 | GeorLi | the serverlist is back! :) |
| 16:42.16 | JeffM2501 | it never went away |
| 16:43.04 | GeorLi | Now i will schot everithing, better anybody can shot me, i'am a very bad player...... |
| 16:43.27 | Mahdi | Hi, is there anybody (or comes) here with the name Iilya? |
| 16:43.56 | Mahdi | Ilya* |
| 16:46.01 | GeorLi | ? :D i must play, thanks and see you |
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| 16:47.36 | Mr_Molez | global login down |
| 16:47.39 | orange | something isn't right, for sure |
| 16:48.08 | JeffM2501 | it's not down |
| 16:48.18 | JeffM2501 | there is just something on the net that is diconecting you |
| 16:48.18 | Mr_Molez | yup, it is |
| 16:48.22 | JeffM2501 | welcome to the internet |
| 16:48.25 | Mr_Molez | hmm |
| 16:48.40 | JeffM2501 | no, the server is fine and working |
| 16:48.47 | JeffM2501 | it is NOT "down" |
| 16:48.51 | JeffM2501 | you just can't get to it |
| 16:49.01 | JeffM2501 | or the server you are playing on, can't |
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| 16:50.05 | JeffM2501 | acording to the server, "you" are down |
| 16:51.02 | Mr_Molez | :o |
| 16:51.16 | RatOmeter | I like how the internet is self-healing. Where "healing" means "just ignore that part of the net, you don't really need it anyway" |
| 16:52.34 | JeffM2501 | it's a distributed network, how can any part be "needed" more then any other |
| 16:52.43 | Mr_Molez | so why would the server list work, but not global login ? |
| 16:53.01 | JeffM2501 | cus the server you are conecting to can't verify your token |
| 16:53.05 | JeffM2501 | you can get to the server |
| 16:53.08 | JeffM2501 | the list |
| 16:53.11 | JeffM2501 | but your game server can't |
| 16:53.24 | JeffM2501 | global login requires 3 difrent machines |
| 16:53.32 | Mr_Molez | but its getting the list for every other player |
| 16:53.33 | JeffM2501 | the list server, you, and the game server |
| 16:53.40 | Mr_Molez | list/login |
| 16:53.47 | JeffM2501 | then maybe it was just down for you |
| 16:53.52 | JeffM2501 | or you got banned |
| 16:54.00 | JeffM2501 | or your password is wrong |
| 16:54.01 | Mr_Molez | :D |
| 16:54.07 | JeffM2501 | caps lock? |
| 16:54.17 | orange | happened to several players on dub |
| 16:54.28 | orange | fwiw |
| 16:54.29 | JeffM2501 | maybe dub lost conection for a bit |
| 16:54.51 | JeffM2501 | or was blocked as a DOS source |
| 16:54.56 | orange | people still rejoining to get +... it's intermittent |
| 16:55.12 | JeffM2501 | then sounds like dub has a flakey conection to the list server |
| 17:05.43 | JeffM2501 | it could be the mod security thinking your DOS atacking |
| 17:05.53 | JeffM2501 | dosn't dub run a stats searcher too? |
| 17:07.33 | bryjen | i'm got some "File transfer terminated with error ... Operation too slow ..." messages from libcurl in my bzfs logs. |
| 17:08.14 | JeffM2501 | on the token get? |
| 17:08.54 | bryjen | looks like when the server's doing its 30 minute (or whatever period) heartbeat ADD |
| 17:09.08 | JeffM2501 | wonder if it's just kinda slow |
| 17:09.13 | JeffM2501 | maybe lots of trafic |
| 17:09.24 | brad | yes |
| 17:09.32 | brad | when they join |
| 17:09.35 | brad | Queuing ADD message to list server |
| 17:09.36 | brad | File transfer terminated with error from libcurl 28 : Operation too slow. Less than 1024 bytes/sec transfered the last 10 seconds |
| 17:11.04 | bryjen | yeah. my server's pretty well empty these days. so mine would just be the periodic ones. its not every time though. |
| 17:35.11 | [dmp] | JeffM2501: did you get my pm? |
| 17:35.19 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:35.23 | JeffM2501 | did you get my repply? |
| 17:35.29 | [dmp] | No |
| 17:35.42 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 17:35.44 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:35.53 | JeffM2501 | there we go |
| 17:52.02 | JeffM2501 | wow cvs is still down. |
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| 17:54.40 | RatOmeter | drat-a-tat-tat. 2.0.6 client for winders loves to lock up on me for no apparent reason (so did 2.0.4). Sometimes I can ALT-tab to other tasks so I can kill it, usually not |
| 17:54.48 | sussi | hi could somebody invite me? |
| 17:54.58 | RatOmeter | to a party, or what? |
| 17:55.09 | JeffM2501 | RatOmeter, maybe it's your comptuer |
| 17:55.12 | sussi | sorta |
| 17:55.14 | JeffM2501 | or your video drivers |
| 17:55.29 | CBG | sussi: ;) |
| 17:56.53 | RatOmeter | JeffM2501: could be, but I've got stock drivers on a Gateway system (all drivers updated to latest versions, I believe). 1 GB RAM. Happens on another system too that may not be up to date and only has 256MB |
| 17:57.06 | JeffM2501 | eww gateway drivers |
| 17:57.09 | JeffM2501 | it a laptop? |
| 17:57.13 | RatOmeter | nope |
| 17:57.20 | RatOmeter | E series desktop |
| 17:57.26 | JeffM2501 | what video card? |
| 17:58.21 | RatOmeter | Radeon 9600 Pro |
| 17:58.36 | JeffM2501 | use the drivers from ATI |
| 17:58.38 | JeffM2501 | not from gateway |
| 17:58.49 | RatOmeter | I'll check on that... |
| 17:59.09 | JeffM2501 | system builder drivers are always old |
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| 18:04.07 | RatOmeter | using MickeySoft's "Update driver" option offers the same vers I've got, but looks like ATI's may be newer. I'll try it. Tanks |
| 18:04.49 | JeffM2501 | what the hell is mickeysoft? |
| 18:04.59 | JeffM2501 | donwloading a video driver is too hard? |
| 18:05.09 | JeffM2501 | oh god your using the ones in windows update |
| 18:05.14 | JeffM2501 | no wonder you have problems |
| 18:05.18 | JeffM2501 | never use those |
| 18:05.23 | JeffM2501 | what do you think you have? a mac? |
| 18:05.48 | RatOmeter | heh |
| 18:06.03 | JeffM2501 | most of the drivers in windows update don't even have hardware acceleration |
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| 18:15.46 | RatOmeter | Well, that brought me up from driver ver 6.14.something to 8.23.something. |
| 18:16.00 | L4m3r | ok, can you play now? |
| 18:16.10 | RatOmeter | Darn, now I'm going to have to play bzflag for another hour or so to see if it works ;) |
| 18:16.18 | L4m3r | lol |
| 18:16.19 | CBG | what a bummer! |
| 18:16.19 | JeffM2501 | little bit of an update |
| 18:16.38 | RatOmeter | yeah |
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| 18:42.10 | Mr_Molez | loads of people are having problems with global login on many servers :P |
| 18:43.15 | brad | hey stum |
| 18:45.26 | stumpgrinder | hey brad |
| 18:47.59 | NTH | stum: hey |
| 18:48.08 | stumpgrinder | NTH :) |
| 18:48.27 | NTH | stum: come to forestforce |
| 18:55.59 | RatOmeter | Mr_Molez, I've only seen global login problems on viper (2 castles) today. that server only |
| 18:56.16 | Mr_Molez | ohh |
| 18:56.26 | RatOmeter | same place you tried? |
| 18:56.28 | Mr_Molez | maybe its just german servers |
| 18:56.35 | RatOmeter | don't know |
| 18:56.38 | Mr_Molez | my server has had the problems |
| 18:56.41 | Mr_Molez | all of dub servers |
| 18:56.55 | Mr_Molez | and a few others |
| 18:56.57 | orange | silvercat |
| 18:57.02 | Mr_Molez | all german i think |
| 18:57.12 | orange | not silvercat |
| 18:57.17 | Mr_Molez | oo |
| 18:57.29 | RatOmeter | Mmmm. come to think of it, I was just playing wnc and I was "-" instead of "+" viper wouldn't let me play |
| 19:04.01 | sussi | the list server is down |
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| 19:14.10 | SportChick | JeffM2501: what happened to guu? |
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| 19:18.15 | zee978 | assock |
| 19:19.07 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, I hven't set her up again |
| 19:19.15 | captrespect | bzflags source makes my eyes bleed |
| 19:19.26 | JeffM2501 | why is that captrespect ? |
| 19:21.53 | captrespect | I think that 600+ main() function has something to do with it |
| 19:22.00 | captrespect | 600+ lines |
| 19:22.04 | captrespect | I mean |
| 19:22.09 | JeffM2501 | welcome to old code |
| 19:22.29 | JeffM2501 | that kinda stuff happens when people just add to stuff |
| 19:22.32 | captrespect | I'm guessing the entire game ran from there at one point |
| 19:22.35 | JeffM2501 | with no design |
| 19:22.39 | JeffM2501 | yes it did |
| 19:22.51 | JeffM2501 | back in 1992 |
| 19:22.55 | L4m3r | lol |
| 19:23.20 | JeffM2501 | I've cleaned some of it up in head |
| 19:23.29 | JeffM2501 | it's a big job |
| 19:23.43 | JeffM2501 | or maybe I did it in playground |
| 19:23.45 | JeffM2501 | don't remember |
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| 19:25.32 | JeffM2501 | many older open source projects have ugly clode ;) |
| 19:25.37 | JeffM2501 | code even |
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| 19:50.11 | brlcad | hrmmm... mysqld is going nuts |
| 19:51.04 | brlcad | ahh, trepan is back too |
| 19:51.09 | brlcad | coincidence? :) |
| 19:51.52 | JeffM2501 | I think not |
| 19:57.48 | spldart | Anybody know when cvs will be getting up to date? |
| 19:58.01 | JeffM2501 | read the SF satus page |
| 19:58.14 | brlcad | hehe.. i think mysqld's been logging for about two weeks now? |
| 19:58.27 | brlcad | -rw-r--r-- 1 mysql mysql 1754902145 May 9 15:57 /var/log/mysqld.log |
| 19:58.36 | JeffM2501 | that's big |
| 19:58.57 | JeffM2501 | spldart, what code did you need? |
| 19:59.47 | brlcad | restart certainly fixed the problem.. no idea what started it though |
| 20:00.00 | brlcad | it kept responding, but was cpu-limited |
| 20:00.08 | JeffM2501 | wierdness |
| 20:01.13 | spldart | Hrm.. 3 more days :( |
| 20:01.22 | brlcad | hmm.. apache activity is excessively high |
| 20:01.37 | JeffM2501 | spldart, what code did you need? |
| 20:01.40 | spldart | Just looking to grab the 2.1.7 stuff |
| 20:01.45 | spldart | to play around with it |
| 20:01.45 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 20:01.54 | JeffM2501 | head |
| 20:01.58 | JeffM2501 | don't think mutch has changed |
| 20:02.05 | spldart | yeah |
| 20:02.17 | spldart | except 0036 to 0037 or some such thing |
| 20:03.10 | spldart | last I checked a week or two ago I was the only one left on 2.1.6 and the rest of the servers were on the next up proto 00.. heh all 3 or 4 of them :) |
| 20:03.36 | JeffM2501 | forgot what I changed that bumped the proto |
| 20:04.01 | spldart | It's cool... I'll check cvs on the 12 or 13th |
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| 20:06.30 | brlcad | cute: http://strayer.de/?site=bzflag&site1=bz_commandlist |
| 20:06.37 | brlcad | automatically generated |
| 20:07.19 | ThePurplePanzer | DTRemenak, are you there? |
| 20:08.27 | brlcad | hello ThePurplePanzer |
| 20:08.32 | ThePurplePanzer | Hi. |
| 20:08.54 | brlcad | been a while |
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| 20:19.20 | gsnedders | i completely refuse to play at over 50% spawn kills. |
| 20:19.28 | gsnedders | it's just stupid. |
| 20:20.33 | spldart | Grr I must be 'apt'ing the wrong package to get sdl support in my ./configure or 2.0.7.. Debian... Help? |
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| 20:21.43 | brlcad | wow, what timing TimRiker ;) |
| 20:22.14 | TimRiker | ibot_: wantnick ibot |
| 20:22.23 | TimRiker | ibot: wantnick ibot |
| 20:22.28 | TimRiker | silly bot. |
| 20:22.33 | L4m3r | lol |
| 20:22.51 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset _default sed |
| 20:22.51 | ibot | sed for _default is '1' |
| 20:22.54 | brlcad | at least she knows what her name 'should' be, refuses to accept alternates |
| 20:23.03 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #brlcad sed 0 |
| 20:23.03 | ibot | Setting sed for #brlcad to '0'. |
| 20:23.10 | TimRiker | brlcad: done. |
| 20:23.13 | brlcad | ~TimRiker++ |
| 20:23.15 | brlcad | thanks! |
| 20:23.17 | TimRiker | np |
| 20:23.22 | TimRiker | ibot: save |
| 20:23.22 | ibot | saved user and chan files |
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| 20:24.47 | spldart | oh... config is looking for => 1.2.5 and I have 1.2 |
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| 20:30.38 | RPG_ | ping anyoen with access to BZBB |
| 20:30.57 | RPG_ | notably JeffM2501 |
| 20:33.03 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, you here? |
| 20:33.12 | RPG_ | hi grindducks |
| 20:33.12 | L4m3r | yes... |
| 20:34.01 | brlcad | poor L4m3r =) |
| 20:34.16 | L4m3r | stfu... :( |
| 20:34.17 | brlcad | RPG_: best to just say/ask |
| 20:34.20 | brlcad | hehe |
| 20:34.38 | brlcad | scooby snaks on me next time ;) |
| 20:35.17 | RPG_ | for the submission system, i'll need some way of getting the |
| 20:35.17 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.17 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.18 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.18 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.20 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.49 | RPG_ | eeh, sorry about the line breaks |
| 20:36.17 | L4m3r | I would think that it would be easier to just add people to the user table... |
| 20:36.23 | L4m3r | you know, manually. |
| 20:36.34 | RPG_ | i was thinking a BZBB group of admins |
| 20:37.22 | RPG_ | so was brlcad |
| 20:37.23 | RPG_ | iirc |
| 20:38.29 | RPG_ | 2 screens would really be nice |
| 20:38.37 | RPG_ | one to write code on, the other to run the code on |
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| 20:40.09 | spldart | SDL1.2.9 should be alright? |
| 20:41.22 | blast007 | RPG_: another option would be to send an email to a mailing list |
| 20:42.36 | RPG_ | mailing list? |
| 20:42.38 | RPG_ | whats a that? |
| 20:42.44 | blast007 | like a SF mailing list |
| 20:42.54 | RPG_ | riight |
| 20:42.57 | RPG_ | that would be a good idea |
| 20:43.27 | RPG_ | can you create one, blast007 ? |
| 20:43.49 | blast007 | do you need one just to test it? can't you send it to your own email address for now? |
| 20:44.01 | blast007 | and no, I probably can't make one |
| 20:44.15 | RPG_ | for now yes, but a ML is a good idea in the end |
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| 20:44.51 | RPG_ | can you make a mailing list, brlcad? |
| 20:45.48 | [dmp] | RPG_: I got a mailinglist service, you can use |
| 20:46.42 | blast007 | sourceforge has mailing lists |
| 20:46.47 | blast007 | probably the preffered method |
| 20:47.37 | KnottyMan | Got a question about jitter and SMP machines. My 3800 X2 has MAJOR jitter issues whereas my single 3500 plays fine. 3800 is DSL at work, 3500 is DSL at home. Both machines have same video, same version BZ, same mboard. Ideas? |
| 20:47.45 | JeffM2501 | a list would be best |
| 20:48.29 | JeffM2501 | KnottyMan, you on windows? |
| 20:48.30 | RPG_ | JeffM2501: can you make a list? |
| 20:48.35 | RPG_ | s/a/the |
| 20:48.38 | JeffM2501 | maybe, dono |
| 20:48.49 | KnottyMan | yes, XP SP2 on both |
| 20:48.59 | JeffM2501 | when bz is running |
| 20:49.03 | JeffM2501 | go to the task manager |
| 20:49.08 | JeffM2501 | right clikc on the process |
| 20:49.12 | JeffM2501 | and hit 'Set affinity" |
| 20:49.15 | JeffM2501 | pick one CPU |
| 20:49.18 | JeffM2501 | that should help |
| 20:49.19 | spldart | ? |
| 20:49.31 | JeffM2501 | it's a common issue on windows dames on the dual cores |
| 20:49.37 | JeffM2501 | it's not a bzflag issue |
| 20:49.43 | JeffM2501 | but a timing/driver/windows problem |
| 20:49.44 | KnottyMan | aha, I was wondering if there was a proc limiter. I'll give that a shot. |
| 20:49.45 | RPG_ | do you have to do that each time you run the game or does it remember? |
| 20:49.49 | spldart | I've never had a problem with my dual Barton rig and bz gaming with affinity on 0 and 1 |
| 20:50.05 | JeffM2501 | spldart, dual CPUs are not the same as dual core |
| 20:50.13 | JeffM2501 | similar |
| 20:50.15 | spldart | oooohh |
| 20:50.17 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, you ahve to do it each time |
| 20:50.27 | JeffM2501 | tho there are apps that can start another app on one core |
| 20:50.35 | JeffM2501 | "run one" I think one is called |
| 20:50.35 | KnottyMan | that kinda blows. There should be a pif equiv method |
| 20:50.44 | JeffM2501 | there shoudl be lots of things |
| 20:50.47 | KnottyMan | : ) |
| 20:50.57 | JeffM2501 | the OS should know not to hop it from core to core |
| 20:51.19 | JeffM2501 | if you watch your CPU usage when it's running, the usage lines swap, like a double helix |
| 20:51.27 | JeffM2501 | that's what causes the jitter |
| 20:51.40 | KnottyMan | that's what I figured it was |
| 20:51.49 | spldart | weird |
| 20:51.50 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure windows will fix it at some point |
| 20:54.01 | RPG_ | can bz display ONLY .png images? |
| 20:54.05 | Gnurdux | global login is down |
| 20:54.08 | RPG_ | no its not |
| 20:54.10 | RPG_ | i just did it |
| 20:54.14 | Gnurdux | wierd |
| 20:54.16 | RPG_ | you just gotta try again |
| 20:54.18 | orange | it's flaky |
| 20:54.28 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, basicly yes |
| 20:56.57 | KnottyMan | JeffM, any idea where to find "run one"? Google returns nothing dealing with computer related results. Different name maybe? |
| 20:58.25 | JeffM2501 | not off my head |
| 20:58.30 | JeffM2501 | I can ask a friend of mine tonight |
| 20:59.07 | KnottyMan | thanks. Surprised I haven't seen any posts on the board about this problem. |
| 20:59.41 | L4m3r | X2 is too new |
| 20:59.53 | JeffM2501 | and it dosn't happen all the time |
| 20:59.56 | L4m3r | anyone who got one is currently preoccupied with newer games :D |
| 21:00.03 | JeffM2501 | it may depend oin what type of windows install you did? |
| 21:00.07 | L4m3r | ...but they'll be back :P |
| 21:01.11 | KnottyMan | I only play BZ and Xbox stuff. Mainly BZ just because it's nice and quick to drop in and play. |
| 21:02.14 | KnottyMan | Affinity seemed to do the trick. Thanks. |
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| 21:08.11 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:08.29 | JeffM2501 | I have to set affinity in DDO and EQ2 all the time |
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| 21:37.38 | uso | JeffM2501, bzflag -view three runs fine with nvidia twinview, at least with two monitors, don't have a 3 port card |
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| 21:37.51 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 21:38.04 | JeffM2501 | does it split to 2? or 3? |
| 21:38.12 | uso | i would love to play that way, but unfortunatly i miss the 3rd monitor and even more the card is too slow :( |
| 21:38.19 | uso | split to 3 |
| 21:38.22 | JeffM2501 | or just a very wide view |
| 21:38.23 | Gnurdux | whats up wiht global login |
| 21:38.27 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, it's slow |
| 21:38.29 | JeffM2501 | deal with it |
| 21:38.32 | uso | you have to position the viewports of the monitors |
| 21:38.34 | JeffM2501 | it is beeing looked at |
| 21:38.36 | RPG_ | grindducks: it just worked for me...a gain |
| 21:38.49 | Gnurdux | why is it slow? the rest of the server is workin fine |
| 21:38.53 | brlcad | global login should be fine now |
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| 21:39.05 | brlcad | i was poking at it 5-10 min ago though |
| 21:39.20 | brlcad | turned off mysql's logging |
| 21:39.28 | JeffM2501 | that should help |
| 21:39.30 | Gnurdux | brlcad, maybe it "should" be fine but it isnt working here |
| 21:39.44 | JeffM2501 | then "maybe" it's your conection |
| 21:39.50 | JeffM2501 | do you get a token? |
| 21:40.01 | Gnurdux | im not sure |
| 21:40.08 | JeffM2501 | well why don't you find out |
| 21:40.12 | brlcad | seems to work here |
| 21:40.15 | Gnurdux | but it waits like 30 seconds before even displaying the userlist |
| 21:40.21 | Gnurdux | then, i have a - sign |
| 21:40.23 | JeffM2501 | then maybe you can't get to it |
| 21:40.29 | Gnurdux | it doesnt say anything about a rejected token |
| 21:40.37 | Gnurdux | and i can get to the serverlist fine' |
| 21:40.40 | JeffM2501 | does it tell you that you got a token? |
| 21:40.47 | Gnurdux | no |
| 21:40.53 | JeffM2501 | then you arn't geting a token |
| 21:41.00 | Gnurdux | now it works |
| 21:41.00 | JeffM2501 | you may be using a chaced list too |
| 21:41.08 | JeffM2501 | so your line was just bloked or slow |
| 21:41.11 | JeffM2501 | that can happen on dialup |
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| 21:41.15 | brlcad | can you log into bzbb? |
| 21:41.19 | Gnurdux | im not on dialup lol |
| 21:41.25 | JeffM2501 | ahh that's right |
| 21:41.31 | JeffM2501 | it was supertanker, your twin |
| 21:41.39 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:41.47 | JeffM2501 | I allways get the munchkins confused |
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| 21:49.41 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, will there ever be a spawn before bz_ePlayerJoinEvent is called? |
| 21:50.08 | Gnurdux | cause you can talk before its called |
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| 21:53.29 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501 |
| 21:54.06 | RPG_ | grindducks: i use bz_ePlayerJoinEvent and it is always called when the player joins. they cannot talk before hand |
| 21:54.24 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 21:54.36 | Gnurdux | but wait |
| 21:54.43 | Gnurdux | you can run command before it is called |
| 21:54.50 | RPG_ | i've never heard of that |
| 21:55.05 | RPG_ | i *always* have it called before the player can do anything |
| 21:55.09 | RPG_ | ver: 2.0.6 |
| 21:55.19 | Gnurdux | sort of |
| 21:55.22 | Gnurdux | but.. |
| 21:55.23 | JeffM2501 | the join is called whent they send user info IIRC |
| 21:55.30 | JeffM2501 | nothing should hapen before that |
| 21:55.31 | Gnurdux | ok, liek callsign? |
| 21:55.32 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 21:55.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:55.37 | JeffM2501 | and toaken |
| 21:55.39 | JeffM2501 | and email |
| 22:04.11 | Gnurdux | will the user ever become verified after that event> |
| 22:04.56 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, ? |
| 22:06.08 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, sometime after yes |
| 22:06.11 | Gnurdux | how? |
| 22:06.19 | JeffM2501 | an auth job is started |
| 22:06.23 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.26 | JeffM2501 | it can take some time |
| 22:06.32 | Gnurdux | oh ok |
| 22:06.35 | JeffM2501 | it's done async |
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| 23:08.09 | A_Meteorite | What is the other sound driver for Linux besides alsa? |
| 23:08.18 | A_Meteorite | I put alsa in for sound driver, and still no sound. |
| 23:08.27 | Mr_Molez | oss ? |
| 23:08.47 | A_Meteorite | OK, trying... |
| 23:08.50 | sussi | linux use sdl |
| 23:08.57 | A_Meteorite | ahh, I see why |
| 23:09.14 | sussi | u have to install the alsa componet for SDL |
| 23:09.48 | A_Meteorite | BTW, this is not my bzflag, I'm helping someone else :) |
| 23:10.20 | JeffM2501 | debian system have an OSS or an ALSA sdl mixer |
| 23:10.37 | A_Meteorite | it's Ubuntu |
| 23:10.45 | sussi | in debian looking for pacels with include sdl and alsa |
| 23:10.46 | A_Meteorite | and I stepped him through compiling it |
| 23:11.01 | A_Meteorite | I had him install libsdl and libsdl-dev |
| 23:11.06 | A_Meteorite | Is there anything else he should install? |
| 23:11.14 | sussi | i forgot the right name, but that should solve your issue |
| 23:11.40 | sussi | it ends with alsa |
| 23:11.45 | A_Meteorite | sdl-alsa ? |
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| 23:11.52 | A_Meteorite | ahh, there he is |
| 23:12.20 | sussi | many choises -all -oss -esd -alsa |
| 23:12.27 | sussi | use alsa |
| 23:13.21 | A_Meteorite | cruel_dog is using synaptic package manager |
| 23:13.41 | A_Meteorite | and he can't seem to find sdl-alsa |
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| 23:15.44 | cruel_dog | I dont |
| 23:15.52 | cruel_dog | i only find alsa-oss |
| 23:16.43 | sussi | libsdl1.2debian-alsa os so |
| 23:17.18 | cruel_dog | ok |
| 23:17.20 | sussi | cause ubuntu is a clone of debian, it schoulb be there |
| 23:17.22 | cruel_dog | im getting it |
| 23:17.40 | cruel_dog | im getting libsdl1.2debian-alsa |
| 23:17.43 | sussi | u have installed that with the end oss? |
| 23:17.56 | A_Meteorite | We installed all the ones without a debian ending |
| 23:18.03 | A_Meteorite | such as libsdl1.2-dev |
| 23:18.15 | sussi | omg |
| 23:18.38 | cruel_dog | sigh |
| 23:18.40 | sussi | his version of SDL is compiled with X11 graphics and ALSA sound. |
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| 23:19.05 | sussi | in the first/general u will get oss support |
| 23:19.44 | A_Meteorite | lol, he's a newbie to Linux |
| 23:19.44 | sussi | do u use aptitude? |
| 23:19.48 | A_Meteorite | he just aimed me... |
| 23:19.50 | A_Meteorite | "now deleting linux, and booting on win" |
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| 23:19.59 | A_Meteorite | lol, now he disconnected |
| 23:20.15 | sussi | he did already 99% |
| 23:20.24 | A_Meteorite | sussi: yes, he uses aptitude |
| 23:20.37 | A_Meteorite | or... is that called synaptic package manager? |
| 23:20.38 | sussi | just install libsdl***-alsa |
| 23:20.55 | sussi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.04 | sussi | for libsdl |
| 23:21.14 | A_Meteorite | yeah, I got him all the way through compiling, installing gcc, g++, sdl, and he gives up on sound! |
| 23:21.51 | pyr02k1 | i wish my teacher here would just enable the tests so i can take it and go home, bah |
| 23:21.53 | sussi | for a normal user sounds it strange |
| 23:22.08 | A_Meteorite | heh, I play without sound :) |
| 23:22.19 | sussi | i never use sound to play |
| 23:22.29 | sussi | :9 |
| 23:22.48 | A_Meteorite | I guess picky users choose Windows. |
| 23:22.50 | A_Meteorite | :\ |
| 23:23.01 | A_Meteorite | because it works without doing anything |
| 23:23.06 | pyr02k1 | im picky, and i picked gentoo. guess that makes me odd? |
| 23:23.19 | A_Meteorite | no, just different :P |
| 23:23.20 | sussi | i use XP too, waiting for xorg 7.0 in etch |
| 23:23.25 | A_Meteorite | I choose Mac OS X - works for me. |
| 23:23.56 | A_Meteorite | just the normal person who grew up with Windows, gets all the easy things of Windows, usually stays with Windows as their main OS |
| 23:24.03 | sussi | its based on freebsd?! |
| 23:24.05 | A_Meteorite | I don't blame them, but sometimes they give up easy |
| 23:24.08 | pyr02k1 | gentoo with xorg7 and gnome 2.14 running. using dlink wireless, and alsa sound, nvidia card |
| 23:24.10 | pyr02k1 | its fun :) |
| 23:24.13 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 23:24.49 | A_Meteorite | I would actually be afraid of one "everything-supported-on-Earth" distro - imagine the bloat! |
| 23:24.58 | sussi | i used flavios pacels for ati, but it brook off |
| 23:25.02 | A_Meteorite | it's really nice to add in support for things (and learn) :) |
| 23:25.16 | sussi | sometimes |
| 23:25.19 | pyr02k1 | i got stuck growing up on windows. i hated it. then when i finally found a new comp after selling the old one (mistake, beh), i put *nix, then moved out, and finally got gentoo on it |
| 23:25.33 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 23:25.33 | pyr02k1 | yum, learning... and no yum, its portage :) |
| 23:25.43 | sussi | i started with suse 5.3, it had broken ISDN-driver, that was a mess |
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| 23:26.26 | pyr02k1 | im bias to gentoo because it was the first *nix i tried, i hated it because it was all CLI install then, and i barely got it running |
| 23:26.47 | pyr02k1 | but it set me up to easier distros and i found them too easy |
| 23:27.08 | pyr02k1 | now im back on gentoo again, but i ended up doing aCLI install although a GUI installers available :) |
| 23:27.33 | pyr02k1 | the president of 40 years ago is here |
| 23:27.41 | pyr02k1 | 40, was it 40? dunno |
| 23:28.29 | Mr_Molez | where are the gui installers ? |
| 23:28.37 | Mr_Molez | i have tried to find them, but never can |
| 23:28.52 | pyr02k1 | for gentoo? |
| 23:28.54 | Mr_Molez | yeh |
| 23:28.59 | sussi | pah GUI-installer |
| 23:29.15 | pyr02k1 | current live cd version of it. i believe x86 may be the only one with the gli right now |
| 23:29.21 | sussi | if u want to see augly txt-installer .. |
| 23:29.43 | sussi | *a ugly |
| 23:30.21 | pyr02k1 | Gentoo 2006.0 LiveCD - http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml |
| 23:30.23 | pyr02k1 | x86 only for that one |
| 23:30.58 | Mr_Molez | k thnx |
| 23:31.14 | pyr02k1 | also, try RR4. LiveDVD http://www.lxnaydesign.net/ |
| 23:31.20 | pyr02k1 | its not to bad, gentoo based |
| 23:31.35 | pyr02k1 | GLI on it as well, but i believe it works for all different types of systems |
| 23:33.16 | pyr02k1 | christ, this guy hasnt shut up or sat down since we got here 2 hours ago |
| 23:33.29 | pyr02k1 | i just want to get this modules quiz done so i can go home already |
| 23:35.47 | JeffM2501 | and that relates to bzflag how? |
| 23:41.18 | pyr02k1 | magic, i hope |
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