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| 00:57.19 | a-delusion | What exactly does the -interface server option do? |
| 00:57.41 | JeffM2501 | if you have more then one NIC it tells the game what one to listen too |
| 00:57.56 | JeffM2501 | some machines may accept conections from many sources |
| 00:58.05 | JeffM2501 | most people don't need it |
| 00:58.07 | a-delusion | willl that help us at quantumBeeps? |
| 00:58.20 | JeffM2501 | do you have more then one active network interface? |
| 00:58.24 | JeffM2501 | and what is your problem? |
| 00:58.45 | a-delusion | I'll have more details soon... |
| 00:59.19 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 00:59.30 | JeffM2501 | how would I know if it would help you if you don't know the problem ;) |
| 00:59.59 | a-delusion | we've got multiple servers running on the same machine, accasionally bzfs segfaults.. |
| 01:00.10 | a-delusion | plugins unload themselves.. |
| 01:00.23 | a-delusion | everybody is using the same copy of bzfs |
| 01:00.27 | JeffM2501 | no that would not be due to interface |
| 01:00.32 | JeffM2501 | should not mater |
| 01:00.36 | a-delusion | we dont use interface |
| 01:00.37 | JeffM2501 | each gets it's own instance in ram |
| 01:00.43 | a-delusion | yeah.. |
| 01:00.52 | JeffM2501 | you sould not need to use interface |
| 01:00.57 | JeffM2501 | you probably just have a bug somewhere |
| 01:01.28 | a-delusion | ok, it just seemed that interface might be it, |
| 01:01.42 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 01:01.56 | JeffM2501 | if you needed interface all that would happen is you'd not be able to get in from outside |
| 01:02.05 | JeffM2501 | as it would be listening on the wrong card |
| 01:02.27 | a-delusion | Ah i see. Now i have a clue what -interface is. |
| 01:02.54 | JeffM2501 | in general a - param will not cause or prevent a crash |
| 01:03.04 | JeffM2501 | the game "should" never crash |
| 01:03.11 | JeffM2501 | so we'd never put in an option to make it NOT crash |
| 01:03.19 | JeffM2501 | I'll bet something is unloading libs on the OS level |
| 01:03.23 | JeffM2501 | what OS does the server run? |
| 01:03.30 | a-delusion | were getting seemingly random ssegfaults |
| 01:03.58 | JeffM2501 | nothing on the computer is random unless it's bad hardware |
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| 01:04.02 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v bryjen] by ChanServ |
| 01:04.03 | a-delusion | its linux, forget which flavor. |
| 01:04.09 | JeffM2501 | run an instance in a debuger |
| 01:04.11 | JeffM2501 | see what happens |
| 01:04.23 | a-delusion | will do |
| 01:04.34 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: what debuggers has linux got ? |
| 01:04.57 | JeffM2501 | gdb |
| 01:05.01 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, gdb |
| 01:05.05 | Mr_Molez | thnx |
| 01:06.42 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to build with debug symbols |
| 01:07.25 | Mr_Molez | aint it always the truth |
| 01:07.31 | JeffM2501 | no not always |
| 01:08.06 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/ (25 files in 5 dirs): remove autopilot |
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| 01:11.51 | RPG_ | i'm getting a 403 forbidden on BZBB, for the file: /bb/posting.php |
| 01:12.10 | JeffM2501 | yes some people are |
| 01:12.12 | a-delusion | say it on #bzflag |
| 01:12.16 | JeffM2501 | brlcad is looking into it |
| 01:12.19 | RPG_ | a-delusion: eh? |
| 01:12.28 | a-delusion | brlcad has been asking for bzbb bug reports |
| 01:12.37 | blast007 | a-delusion: this _is_ #bzflag ;) |
| 01:12.39 | JeffM2501 | mod_security is thinking you are a bastards |
| 01:12.41 | a-delusion | nwoop wrong channel... |
| 01:12.49 | JeffM2501 | no, right channel ;) |
| 01:13.01 | RPG_ | quick reply works, "post reply" doesn't |
| 01:13.07 | a-delusion | jeff one other question, did PurplePanzer get groups today? |
| 01:13.12 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 01:13.30 | JeffM2501 | didn't see any requets from him in the group thread |
| 01:13.31 | RPG_ | haha, you called the server "RTFM: |
| 01:13.34 | RPG_ | *" |
| 01:13.35 | JeffM2501 | and I did them all today |
| 01:13.40 | JeffM2501 | so we are all caught up |
| 01:13.52 | a-delusion | ok thought so, thankyou, jeff |
| 01:14.19 | JeffM2501 | have him post them in the groups thread, and I can add them |
| 01:14.23 | JeffM2501 | now that the move is done |
| 01:14.43 | a-delusion | yeah, i was telling him to hurry, you seemed behind schedule on that one. |
| 01:15.10 | JeffM2501 | they were on hold till the move was done |
| 01:15.16 | JeffM2501 | the move was "done" last night |
| 01:15.18 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/clientCommands.cxx: WS |
| 01:15.19 | a-delusion | of course |
| 01:15.23 | JeffM2501 | so I did them this morning |
| 01:16.41 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/TODO: bots and autopilot were removed. |
| 01:17.18 | bryjen | odd. playground client tries to run, put spits out "Aborted" and exits :/ |
| 01:17.24 | bryjen | s/put/but/ |
| 01:17.40 | JeffM2501 | don't try to run the client now :) |
| 01:17.49 | spldart | I'm having a little trouble opening http://bzflag.bz/~atupone/bzflag-2.0.7.tar.bz2 on debian with bzip2 or tar... any hints as to what I should do? |
| 01:17.53 | JeffM2501 | "it would be bad" |
| 01:17.58 | JeffM2501 | like you can't shoot |
| 01:18.09 | RPG_ | spldart: try the .tar.gz ? |
| 01:18.13 | bryjen | heh. |
| 01:18.26 | bryjen | a kinder, gentler, bzflag |
| 01:18.27 | JeffM2501 | I'm busting lots of stuff |
| 01:18.50 | JeffM2501 | well the weapon descriptors arn't being sent right |
| 01:18.57 | RPG_ | spldart: you can also turn tar on verbose mode, IIRC, and see more detailed errors |
| 01:19.11 | JeffM2501 | I wanted to simplify the client first, so I pulled bots, now i'm gonna find out why |
| 01:19.20 | RPG_ | heh |
| 01:19.23 | spldart | I get a tar.tar when I hit the link |
| 01:19.28 | spldart | oh |
| 01:19.50 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, also if you upgrade you won't be listed anymore |
| 01:20.01 | a-delusion | slather it on a fish sandwich |
| 01:20.04 | JeffM2501 | oh yes you will :) |
| 01:20.12 | JeffM2501 | proto is a number again :) |
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| 01:22.56 | JeffM2501 | ahh, there is a fixed command list size |
| 01:23.04 | JeffM2501 | god that's dumb |
| 01:25.09 | spldart | thanks |
| 01:43.02 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (bzflag.cxx clientCommands.cxx commands.h playing.cxx): just add client commands direclty to the command manager, instead of building up a fixed size list of them. It's much cleaner. |
| 01:44.12 | JeffM2501 | that should fix your abort bryjen |
| 01:47.34 | bryjen | yup. now i'm back to the segfault in FlagSceneNode::setColor :) |
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| 01:51.06 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 01:51.13 | JeffM2501 | let me make a server with flags |
| 01:51.18 | JeffM2501 | not that flags DO anything |
| 01:51.35 | bryjen | heh |
| 01:52.30 | JeffM2501 | you are doing CTF right? |
| 01:52.38 | JeffM2501 | -c and -fb right? |
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| 01:52.54 | bryjen | i don't think so. ffa + random map |
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| 01:53.06 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 01:53.13 | JeffM2501 | +f good dosn't crash for me |
| 01:53.37 | bryjen | -offa even ;) |
| 01:54.57 | JeffM2501 | nope don't puke for me |
| 01:55.10 | bryjen | hmm, you've removed some flags, right? |
| 01:55.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:55.20 | JeffM2501 | PX |
| 01:55.21 | JeffM2501 | PZ |
| 01:55.31 | JeffM2501 | jumping |
| 01:55.32 | JeffM2501 | ric |
| 01:55.34 | JeffM2501 | rico |
| 01:55.38 | JeffM2501 | maybe some others |
| 01:56.10 | bryjen | still, that should die on start, as the cmd line woud be invalid |
| 01:56.12 | bryjen | ... |
| 01:56.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:56.45 | JeffM2501 | and I haven't touched flag rendering yet |
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| 01:57.56 | bryjen | #0 0x081babc2 in FlagSceneNode::setColor (this=0x10, r=1, g=1, b=1, a=-0) at FlagSceneNode.cxx:367 |
| 01:58.17 | JeffM2501 | it's techincaly posible in a float |
| 01:58.25 | JeffM2501 | but alpha should not be 0 |
| 01:58.30 | JeffM2501 | who's calling that? |
| 01:58.38 | bryjen | http://pastebin.com/689649 |
| 01:58.53 | JeffM2501 | is that a valid this? |
| 01:59.06 | bryjen | donno |
| 01:59.23 | JeffM2501 | hmm it's during an upack |
| 01:59.41 | JeffM2501 | I'm having problems unpacking weapon descriptors |
| 01:59.44 | JeffM2501 | wonder if it's related |
| 02:01.13 | bryjen | bah. old bzfs binary. new build works :/ |
| 02:01.23 | bryjen | so far at least |
| 02:01.48 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 02:04.22 | JeffM2501 | hmm its wierd, the second float unpack is bad |
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| 02:05.04 | KernelDan | hello |
| 02:05.10 | JeffM2501 | ahh I'm just dumb :) |
| 02:05.14 | blast007 | KernelDan: hi |
| 02:05.15 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 02:07.54 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: send in the current buffer pos, NOT the start of the message when unpacking weapon descriptors |
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| 02:09.49 | JeffM2501 | hah... so I think I have a big bug with not shooting |
| 02:09.56 | JeffM2501 | where something isn't geting sent right |
| 02:10.11 | JeffM2501 | when in reality.. I just never gave the tank any energy, so it think it can't shoot :) |
| 02:10.24 | JeffM2501 | and the code is working perfectly |
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| 02:13.24 | orange | nice :-) |
| 02:15.59 | JeffM2501 | I need a good "click" sound for when you try to shoot and don't have enough power |
| 02:16.23 | JeffM2501 | or something like the bad sound of the Melenium Falcon's Hyperdrive when it dosn't work |
| 02:16.33 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:16.44 | JeffM2501 | I did think of another use for power |
| 02:16.59 | JeffM2501 | hold down shift while you drive = more speed, but it takes power |
| 02:17.15 | JeffM2501 | like maybe 1.5x speed |
| 02:18.13 | orange | can you drive at all without power? |
| 02:18.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:18.19 | JeffM2501 | at normal speed |
| 02:18.20 | orange | oh, and that's called 'turbo' JeffM2501 :-) |
| 02:18.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:18.36 | JeffM2501 | like diverting power from shileds to engines |
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| 02:18.45 | JeffM2501 | could be mean and make them overheat after a while :) |
| 02:18.51 | orange | hehe |
| 02:19.00 | JeffM2501 | tho I have an idea for the real "turbo" |
| 02:19.09 | JeffM2501 | a one-shot accessory pickup |
| 02:19.15 | JeffM2501 | when you hit it |
| 02:19.15 | orange | nitro |
| 02:19.22 | JeffM2501 | you get 5x forward speed |
| 02:19.27 | JeffM2501 | 0.1x turning |
| 02:19.30 | orange | whoa, jet pack :-) |
| 02:19.35 | JeffM2501 | for 15 seconds |
| 02:19.39 | JeffM2501 | and can't turn it off :) |
| 02:19.44 | orange | lol |
| 02:19.44 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:20.05 | blast007 | will there be damage from slamming into a building? ;) |
| 02:20.07 | JeffM2501 | or change your speed |
| 02:20.08 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 02:20.22 | bryjen | solid-fuel rocket booster |
| 02:20.40 | JeffM2501 | jato bottle |
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| 02:22.37 | Mr_Molez | Death_Barrel: sup |
| 02:27.32 | Death_Barrel | yo yo |
| 02:29.52 | Death_Barrel | wazz up molez? |
| 02:30.18 | Mr_Molez | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.20 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 02:30.31 | Mr_Molez | nuttin much just chillin :P |
| 02:30.50 | Death_Barrel | nice, get any action tonight? |
| 02:30.50 | JeffM2501 | how bout the chat channel or /msg |
| 02:30.52 | JeffM2501 | both of you |
| 02:30.57 | Death_Barrel | ah ok np |
| 02:30.58 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: k |
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| 03:35.55 | SportChick | ~seen menotume |
| 03:36.05 | ibot | menotume is currently on #bzflag (1d 2h 29m 3s) #kierra (1d 2h 29m 3s) #bzleague (1d 2h 29m 3s) #silvercat (1d 2h 29m 3s) #bz-inc (1d 2h 29m 3s) ##essy (1d 2h 29m 3s). Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 5h 26m 43s, last said: 'we be at dub:5154'. |
| 03:36.32 | spldart | ok... after downloading and assembling the ~atupone/bzflag-2.0.7.tar.bz2 I have a bzfs/bzadmin that are version 0026?!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 03:37.00 | spldart | any guess as to where I went wrong? |
| 03:37.18 | JeffM2501 | umm isn't that the 2.0.x proto? |
| 03:37.19 | bryjen | that's correct |
| 03:37.27 | bryjen | all 2.0.x are 0026 |
| 03:37.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:37.34 | spldart | ah |
| 03:37.35 | spldart | ic |
| 03:37.36 | JeffM2501 | so it can't be difernt |
| 03:37.39 | JeffM2501 | that's not the app version |
| 03:37.42 | JeffM2501 | but the proto version |
| 03:37.49 | spldart | that's what I needed to know |
| 03:38.14 | spldart | don't know why I was expecting different... :) thanks |
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| 03:38.55 | spldart | Nighty night :~) |
| 03:39.15 | supertanker | night |
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| 03:56.16 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/ (7 files in 3 dirs): give the players some health and power when they spawn, so they can shoot nice busted invisible shots. |
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| 05:05.36 | JeffM2501 | anyone know if client needs regex? |
| 05:05.58 | DTRemenak | iirc it does |
| 05:06.03 | DTRemenak | don't remember why though |
| 05:06.13 | blast007 | does it use it for translations? |
| 05:06.24 | JeffM2501 | dosn't seem to have it set in the dependencys |
| 05:06.29 | JeffM2501 | nor zlib |
| 05:06.31 | blast007 | hmm |
| 05:06.50 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: they're indirect dependencies probably. common requires regex |
| 05:06.57 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 05:06.57 | DTRemenak | mediafile requires zlib |
| 05:07.00 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 05:07.14 | DTRemenak | the client does use both directly as well, iirc |
| 05:07.52 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/ (fullBuild.sln Makefile.am bzflag.sln): bzflag.sln now just builds client. fullBuild.sln builds the entire shebang |
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| 05:09.58 | JeffM2501 | now to find out why shots are invible |
| 05:10.13 | JeffM2501 | ok DTRemenak got another idea for you to shoot down :) |
| 05:10.18 | JeffM2501 | if you have the time :) |
| 05:10.30 | DTRemenak | sure |
| 05:10.39 | JeffM2501 | when your driving |
| 05:10.47 | JeffM2501 | you can hold down shift ( or some other key ) |
| 05:10.53 | JeffM2501 | to get 1.5x speed increase |
| 05:10.59 | JeffM2501 | at the cost of taking power |
| 05:11.05 | DTRemenak | k |
| 05:11.21 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 05:11.25 | DTRemenak | wait, is that a statement, or is that the idea/ |
| 05:11.27 | DTRemenak | ahh |
| 05:11.35 | JeffM2501 | umm and there will be monkeys |
| 05:11.35 | DTRemenak | for your game, that makes sense :) |
| 05:11.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah monkeys |
| 05:11.41 | JeffM2501 | all up in theres |
| 05:12.05 | JeffM2501 | hmmm if you like it, then it must suck...... ;) |
| 05:12.07 | DTRemenak | and here I thought you were just giving background information for what your idea really was :P |
| 05:12.15 | JeffM2501 | no tha's about it |
| 05:12.21 | DTRemenak | I didn't say I liked it, I said it made sense :) |
| 05:12.26 | JeffM2501 | that I some mines I saw in a UT mod |
| 05:12.44 | DTRemenak | like "sprint" in ET |
| 05:12.54 | DTRemenak | uses your stamina bar |
| 05:13.22 | JeffM2501 | was thinking that it could also overheat the engines |
| 05:13.25 | JeffM2501 | if you do it too long |
| 05:13.40 | JeffM2501 | and you could take real hard armor damage if you do it too long |
| 05:13.48 | JeffM2501 | maybe bick up a flaw |
| 05:14.04 | DTRemenak | yeah, like if you try to use it while your energy is at zero or something |
| 05:14.19 | DTRemenak | so people don't hold it down mindlessly |
| 05:14.46 | JeffM2501 | well you can't do it at 0 |
| 05:14.57 | JeffM2501 | at 0 your a sitting duck :) |
| 05:15.03 | JeffM2501 | as far as protection goes |
| 05:15.08 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 05:15.12 | DTRemenak | so you got a shield thing? |
| 05:15.20 | JeffM2501 | your power is your sheild |
| 05:15.25 | JeffM2501 | hits come off it |
| 05:15.28 | JeffM2501 | shots come off it |
| 05:15.33 | JeffM2501 | accessories come off it |
| 05:15.52 | JeffM2501 | when you are out, it's hull damage, and not much of it |
| 05:15.56 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 05:16.00 | JeffM2501 | hull damage dosn't regen |
| 05:16.15 | JeffM2501 | thinking you'd have to sit at a base and have it repaired ( asuming team games ) |
| 05:16.25 | JeffM2501 | or maybe get a "fix it" pickup |
| 05:16.29 | JeffM2501 | but they would be rare |
| 05:16.46 | JeffM2501 | I picked up UT2k4 this weekend |
| 05:16.51 | JeffM2501 | had a mod called chaosUT2 |
| 05:16.58 | JeffM2501 | they had these mines called "proxy mines" |
| 05:17.05 | JeffM2501 | little happy face balls |
| 05:17.09 | JeffM2501 | you'd toss em out |
| 05:17.18 | JeffM2501 | and they'd jump around looking for players to kill |
| 05:17.21 | JeffM2501 | all while talking |
| 05:17.26 | JeffM2501 | to each other |
| 05:17.32 | JeffM2501 | they even sing songs. |
| 05:18.10 | JeffM2501 | was freaking hilarious |
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| 13:18.37 | RedBaron2 | menotume ping |
| 13:18.53 | menotume | yo |
| 13:20.57 | menotume | sure, like ping me, then forsake me |
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| 14:14.15 | orange | menotume: you took 16 seconds to respond... what do you expect? |
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| 16:01.54 | brlcad | Death_Barrel: using statements in a campaign against Mikkel isn't viewed too favorably |
| 16:02.38 | brlcad | not so much the log, but the summary to say that "they think Xell used to be known as Cell" |
| 16:02.55 | brad | brlcad: were you not implying that? |
| 16:03.07 | Death_Barrel | i was told otherwise |
| 16:03.10 | brlcad | i don't think that he is or isn't, it's just a highly suspicious/convenient similarity |
| 16:03.21 | Death_Barrel | is that not what you think? |
| 16:03.24 | brad | he seemed pretty convinced at the time :) |
| 16:03.31 | Death_Barrel | i know he did |
| 16:03.56 | Death_Barrel | so what are you saying brlcad: you want to explain to me who you really think he is? |
| 16:04.04 | brlcad | <@brlcad> so i actually do have a hint of doubt |
| 16:04.09 | Death_Barrel | i'm all for the facts |
| 16:04.23 | Death_Barrel | you have a hint of doubt? |
| 16:04.31 | brlcad | that was during the conversation |
| 16:04.36 | Death_Barrel | ok i will add that |
| 16:04.42 | brlcad | it's in the log |
| 16:04.51 | Death_Barrel | which one? |
| 16:04.58 | Death_Barrel | the one with xell |
| 16:05.02 | Death_Barrel | ? |
| 16:05.03 | brlcad | i'm just saying, it wasn't a clear cut "yea, verily, we think he's Cell" |
| 16:05.04 | TheRedBaron | Death_Barrel: you can remove the log about mikk being a "Scumbag" |
| 16:05.15 | Death_Barrel | no |
| 16:05.20 | Death_Barrel | i stared out the names |
| 16:05.27 | Death_Barrel | thats the best i can do |
| 16:05.35 | Death_Barrel | its a dictatorship remember? |
| 16:05.38 | TheRedBaron | Death_Barrel: that was said in PM - and is pretty docile compared to the conversations you and KRR have had |
| 16:05.43 | TheRedBaron | in public |
| 16:05.49 | Death_Barrel | doesn't matter, its a dictatorship remember? |
| 16:06.18 | TheRedBaron | a dictatorship of? |
| 16:07.22 | TheRedBaron | it resembles more of an anarchy |
| 16:07.40 | Death_Barrel | its my server, what i say goes |
| 16:07.49 | Death_Barrel | just like its you guys server, what you say goes |
| 16:08.16 | Death_Barrel | i have no imput on anything, so you guys aren't going to have any imput on what i do |
| 16:08.19 | TheRedBaron | so |
| 16:08.23 | TheRedBaron | you mean its "Free speech" |
| 16:08.28 | Death_Barrel | simple as that, i won't argue about it |
| 16:08.28 | TheRedBaron | gotcha |
| 16:08.35 | brlcad | Death_Barrel: i think the only concern is the summary of you summarily saying what the devs think, subtle difference from saying there was a suspicion (which there was/is) or that you think that we think what we think :) |
| 16:09.00 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:09.13 | TheRedBaron | brlcad: on the topic of Xell I think you should talk to red baron2 and mistake |
| 16:09.17 | Death_Barrel | so you want me to change the word 'think' to 'suspesion' ? |
| 16:09.29 | brlcad | that would be appreciated on my part |
| 16:09.41 | brlcad | presuming you spell it right ;) |
| 16:09.41 | Death_Barrel | seriously, it was you guys reamark, i would like to quote you as best i can |
| 16:09.54 | Death_Barrel | yeah my spelling sucks |
| 16:09.59 | Death_Barrel | ~spell suspesion |
| 16:09.59 | Mr_Molez | ofcourse you might want to spell suspicion right ;) |
| 16:10.04 | TheRedBaron | the name has a similarity |
| 16:10.14 | brlcad | Mr_Molez: a lil slow on the uptake there ;) |
| 16:10.26 | Mr_Molez | trying to do 3 things at once ;) |
| 16:10.31 | Death_Barrel | one sec brlcad |
| 16:11.32 | brlcad | as far as facts, there's very little factual evidence to prove that Xell is Perfect Cell |
| 16:11.35 | TheRedBaron | brlcad: have you played vs or with xell recently? |
| 16:11.39 | Death_Barrel | suspicion << done with that spelling |
| 16:11.55 | brlcad | s/very little/no/ |
| 16:12.09 | TheRedBaron | You'll find that he gets that kick at "random" |
| 16:12.14 | Death_Barrel | wasn't perfect cell and cell the same guy? |
| 16:12.22 | TheRedBaron | range has very little to do with it |
| 16:12.29 | Death_Barrel | i take it thats why i can't ever use the nick Splinter Cell globally |
| 16:12.44 | TheRedBaron | I've played with and vs |
| 16:12.56 | TheRedBaron | you don't see the shots ending before they hit him |
| 16:13.23 | Death_Barrel | then maybe you can explain why he is getting kicked for end shots ? |
| 16:13.26 | brlcad | it was a dragonballz character, very popular -- i'm sure there are thousands that like the name |
| 16:13.38 | Death_Barrel | ok i take away a perfect cell |
| 16:13.47 | TheRedBaron | Death_Barrel: no, i don't have an explination - nor does he, so he asked |
| 16:14.01 | TheRedBaron | If he was cheating, and had modified the code - he would know why he was getting kicked |
| 16:14.05 | brlcad | which is also just what increases the suspicion |
| 16:14.07 | TheRedBaron | what sense does it make in asking? |
| 16:14.30 | Death_Barrel | but according to jeff, i was a cheat client |
| 16:14.35 | brlcad | that detection "shouldn't" be happening for regular clients |
| 16:14.43 | Mr_Molez | TheRedBaron: maybe some one gave him the client and he didn't know exactly what it did, maybe he made no connection between shot end and his cheat |
| 16:15.03 | Death_Barrel | i/it |
| 16:15.05 | orange | endshot credit can kick players who aren't cheating |
| 16:15.20 | TheRedBaron | Mr_Molez: why except a client from some one, and you don't know what it does? |
| 16:15.21 | orange | I've seen it many times |
| 16:15.22 | brlcad | i haven't validated that particular cheat check myself so I couldn't say 100% whether it's full-proof or not, but it's suspicious in that if it wasn't we'd likely be hearing a lot more reports than just one |
| 16:15.24 | TheRedBaron | *accept |
| 16:15.38 | TheRedBaron | and xell is no computer n00b |
| 16:15.45 | orange | I haven't seen it as much recently, but about 6-12 months ago, a lot |
| 16:15.52 | brlcad | the check was written well over a year ago iirc |
| 16:16.02 | brlcad | maybe two |
| 16:16.02 | orange | yes |
| 16:16.12 | orange | and it was made to allow a certain number before kicking |
| 16:16.21 | orange | which implies there are conditions under which it can happen without cheating |
| 16:16.28 | Death_Barrel | you guys are his friend, of course you are going to make excuses for him |
| 16:16.29 | orange | it doesn't imply it, actually |
| 16:16.34 | Death_Barrel | its prefectlly natural :) |
| 16:16.35 | TheRedBaron | xell is perfectly, and easily killable |
| 16:16.46 | TheRedBaron | orange: Xell |
| 16:16.49 | orange | don't know him |
| 16:16.56 | brlcad | and iirc, there were networking conditions that influenced it at least initially, so since the networking layer hasn't really changed, there are conceivable cases where it might catch a false-positive |
| 16:16.57 | TheRedBaron | gu and ducati player |
| 16:17.16 | Death_Barrel | brlcad: but on several server? |
| 16:17.21 | brlcad | sure |
| 16:17.23 | Death_Barrel | several servers.......... same thing |
| 16:17.34 | Mr_Molez | with no lag |
| 16:17.45 | orange | if it is a networking problem it is conceivable |
| 16:17.51 | TheRedBaron | Death_Barrel: i'm not making excuses - I'm saying the accusation of him being a cheater - do not line up with all the facts, and alot of personal observation |
| 16:18.06 | brlcad | it's not as clean-cut as lag that makes network packet ordering an issue |
| 16:18.14 | TheRedBaron | Go observe him |
| 16:18.17 | orange | could be a QoS router |
| 16:18.25 | orange | that was our suspicion last time we saw it |
| 16:18.26 | TheRedBaron | Perfect cell was a american player |
| 16:18.31 | brlcad | it's definitely peculiar, unexpected, but far from full-proof of anything |
| 16:18.51 | brlcad | except maybe full proof that the check code is getting called under some condition :) |
| 16:19.04 | Death_Barrel | if i misquoted you at all please tell m |
| 16:19.04 | Death_Barrel | e |
| 16:19.14 | Death_Barrel | i don't think i did though ;) |
| 16:19.26 | orange | where might we have been quoted? |
| 16:19.30 | Death_Barrel | not you |
| 16:20.23 | brlcad | saying there's a suspicion is fine with me, I hold suspicions on everyone about everything all the time ;) |
| 16:20.30 | Death_Barrel | i happen to like xell, he seems to be ok |
| 16:20.39 | Death_Barrel | its changed brlcad |
| 16:20.43 | brlcad | i noticed |
| 16:20.48 | Death_Barrel | better? |
| 16:21.34 | brlcad | not as bad, so yeah, better |
| 16:22.36 | Death_Barrel | well let me qote you word for word |
| 16:22.45 | Death_Barrel | what would you like it to say? |
| 16:23.05 | Mr_Molez | TheRedBaron: i believe cell was actually on the same german isp as xell ;) |
| 16:23.20 | TheRedBaron | Mr_Molez: you were around back then? |
| 16:23.24 | brlcad | he was/is |
| 16:23.41 | Mr_Molez | TheRedBaron: not important |
| 16:23.42 | Mr_Molez | irc has logs |
| 16:23.52 | brlcad | but then so are 10 million other germans |
| 16:24.07 | Saturos | Which ISP has xell? |
| 16:24.24 | brad | -!- Xe11 [n=Xe11@p54874E24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #bzflag |
| 16:24.29 | Saturos | rofl |
| 16:24.38 | brad | :] |
| 16:24.40 | Saturos | half of the Germans use that provider... |
| 16:24.47 | brlcad | exactly |
| 16:24.56 | Saturos | I think I do too. :D |
| 16:25.02 | brad | oh oh |
| 16:25.06 | brad | so cell == saturos |
| 16:25.06 | Saturos | Now add me to the site!! I might be Cell!! |
| 16:25.12 | Death_Barrel | i said the same thing |
| 16:25.20 | brlcad | there are at least a dozen long time regulars that use t-dialin |
| 16:25.24 | Mr_Molez | :P |
| 16:25.36 | Saturos_away | Going to eat something. :) |
| 16:25.42 | brad | so cell isn't american then? |
| 16:25.46 | Death_Barrel | no |
| 16:26.02 | Mr_Molez | sure isnt :) |
| 16:26.04 | brlcad | when we had to ban the entire isp, we used whitelists to let people back in |
| 16:26.07 | Mr_Molez | trb got his facts wrong |
| 16:26.24 | Mr_Molez | i wonder what else he has got wrong |
| 16:26.28 | Death_Barrel | trb wasn't around back then either |
| 16:26.35 | TheRedBaron | Death_Barrel: I was |
| 16:26.41 | Death_Barrel | not with the league |
| 16:26.44 | brlcad | i'd say dragonballz is more internationally popular than it is in the u.s., but that's just my familiarity with it |
| 16:26.44 | TheRedBaron | was too |
| 16:26.47 | Death_Barrel | this was before your time son |
| 16:26.49 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:27.22 | TheRedBaron | Death_Barrel: look here then - http://my.bzflag.org/league/index.php?link=players&sort=joined&include=3&=Show+Me |
| 16:27.30 | brlcad | trb goes back that far, not sure about the other baroners ;) |
| 16:27.58 | TheRedBaron | Death_Barrel: I played with Fabulous Frogs - tell me how the team captian was |
| 16:28.09 | Death_Barrel | ah ok my mistake, you must of been under a diff callsign |
| 16:28.18 | TheRedBaron | used this callsign my entire bz time |
| 16:28.40 | Death_Barrel | i don't remember you being on fabulous frogs |
| 16:28.49 | Death_Barrel | you never used to be called something else? |
| 16:29.05 | TheRedBaron | TheRedBaron is what it has always been |
| 16:29.18 | TheRedBaron | for as long as you claim to be around, i remember when you first came to ducati as Big Barrel |
| 16:29.19 | Death_Barrel | hmmm, you must of been quiet |
| 16:29.25 | TheRedBaron | I general was |
| 16:29.28 | TheRedBaron | *Generally |
| 16:29.32 | Death_Barrel | yes i used to be big barrel |
| 16:30.04 | TheRedBaron | brlcad: the only baron that played with me back then, is Red baron2 |
| 16:30.09 | brlcad | heh, nuggy registered on the first day the site opened... didn't know that |
| 16:30.11 | TheRedBaron | but he didn't always use rb2 |
| 16:30.36 | brlcad | TheRedBaron: then you started slipping stuff into the other's drinks i presume |
| 16:30.43 | TheRedBaron | Death_Barrel: Fabulous frogs didn't play that many matches |
| 16:30.50 | Death_Barrel | yteah i remember ;) |
| 16:31.03 | Death_Barrel | i was on proxs when i first joined |
| 16:31.20 | Death_Barrel | then branched off, stole dmp from them and made HoW |
| 16:31.33 | TheRedBaron | Mr_Molez: I have quite a solid base of bz history |
| 16:31.36 | Death_Barrel | with calico, rembo.... |
| 16:31.47 | Mr_Molez | TheRedBaron: uhhh ? never said you didn't ? |
| 16:31.47 | Death_Barrel | i was raised on bz! |
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| 16:32.07 | Mr_Molez | its mik ! |
| 16:32.09 | Death_Barrel | not too solid trb: you were gone for most half of that time |
| 16:32.29 | Death_Barrel | training with that special forces group right? |
| 16:32.53 | TheRedBaron | Death_Barrel: fall of 2003 |
| 16:33.03 | TheRedBaron | not special forces - search and rescue unit. |
| 16:33.05 | Death_Barrel | yeah, you was on HoW at the time |
| 16:33.36 | TheRedBaron | Mr_Molez i wonder what else he has got wrong |
| 16:33.43 | TheRedBaron | thats quoting you |
| 16:33.47 | brlcad | if anyone gets a 403 accessing a page on the website, let me know -- mod_security is catching some access attempts that I don't expect |
| 16:34.12 | TheRedBaron | Death_Barrel: correct that december, I started "The Barons" team |
| 16:34.21 | Mr_Molez | TheRedBaron: just because you have a "strong base" doesn't mean you remember every single thing, are you denying you got that wrong ? |
| 16:35.17 | TheRedBaron | Mr_Molez: i'm addressing the implication of your statement, that everything else has a high probability of being wrong |
| 16:36.01 | Mr_Molez | you never know ;) |
| 16:36.02 | TheRedBaron | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.09 | Mr_Molez | you never know ;) |
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| 16:37.33 | Death_Barrel | quantumdot: where you been? we had a tea time scheduled, now you make parley prissy pants sad :( |
| 16:37.57 | SportChick | brlcad: I have been getting 403 since yesterday |
| 16:38.28 | quantumdot | we had a tea time? |
| 16:38.46 | SportChick | I presume he meant tee time |
| 16:38.47 | Death_Barrel | mo tea suh ? |
| 16:38.56 | Death_Barrel | no, tea |
| 16:39.11 | quantumdot | i prefer coffee but that's ok |
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| 16:40.17 | _Manu_ | orange, endShot also can kick players with high lag/jitt and/or lost packets |
| 16:40.28 | orange | ah, _Manu_, glad you're here to clarify that |
| 16:40.30 | _Manu_ | then is not because cheat but it's well done |
| 16:40.40 | _Manu_ | orange, I wrote it ;) |
| 16:40.46 | orange | yes, I know :-) |
| 16:41.21 | _Manu_ | I set Viper at the minim tolerance and it works pretty well, no false kicks in months |
| 16:41.32 | quantumdot | in fact, i even remember in previous versions I got kicked by moving too fast |
| 16:41.32 | orange | how do you know if it is a false kick? |
| 16:41.34 | _Manu_ | s/false/lag or jitt |
| 16:41.48 | _Manu_ | because the lag/jitt |
| 16:41.51 | orange | silvercat has about 50 kicks this year |
| 16:41.55 | quantumdot | this usually happened after droing a V flag in the air |
| 16:42.03 | orange | but if nobody is there to witness you don't know if it is a cheat or false, right? |
| 16:42.08 | _Manu_ | quantumdot, endShot has nothing to do with flags |
| 16:42.14 | quantumdot | yes i know |
| 16:42.42 | _Manu_ | orange, you saw lots of endShot kicks months ago thanks to DB and Mr_Molez |
| 16:42.56 | quantumdot | really? |
| 16:43.00 | _Manu_ | and the public cheat clients |
| 16:43.00 | Death_Barrel | no |
| 16:43.00 | quantumdot | interesting |
| 16:43.06 | Death_Barrel | our clients weren't broken :) |
| 16:43.27 | Mr_Molez | _Manu_: ohh clever boy, didn't know god mode could do that |
| 16:43.40 | orange | _Manu_: these all had 'normal' names, and were fairly spread out.. just since 2006 started |
| 16:43.40 | Death_Barrel | heh |
| 16:43.48 | _Manu_ | Mr_Molez, I'm not talking about God mode |
| 16:43.57 | Mr_Molez | _Manu_: your talking crap then |
| 16:44.03 | Death_Barrel | yeah! |
| 16:44.06 | _Manu_ | Mr_Molez, I can't trust you |
| 16:44.10 | Mr_Molez | like i care ? |
| 16:44.13 | Death_Barrel | yeah! |
| 16:44.16 | Mr_Molez | we only used god mode |
| 16:44.21 | Mr_Molez | stop trying to acuse us of more |
| 16:44.26 | Death_Barrel | yeah! |
| 16:44.34 | brad | uh |
| 16:44.39 | _Manu_ | well I don't trust you all |
| 16:44.44 | Death_Barrel | yeah! |
| 16:44.46 | Death_Barrel | oh wait.... |
| 16:44.49 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
| 16:44.58 | TheRedBaron | that is what you call a cruel irony |
| 16:45.04 | Death_Barrel | ;) |
| 16:45.08 | TheRedBaron | Or karma biting back |
| 16:45.25 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 16:45.31 | Death_Barrel | :-* |
| 16:45.53 | Death_Barrel | :q! |
| 16:48.20 | SportChick | brlcad: did you see my comment? |
| 16:49.25 | _Manu_ | quantumdot: I agree with you, the speed anticheat is not very good actually |
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| 17:04.12 | JeffM2502 | what's with the freenode info stuff? |
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| 17:12.55 | supertanker | hey all |
| 17:13.09 | JeffM2502 | sup |
| 17:13.51 | supertanker | nothing much, just kicking the butts of several bots. |
| 17:14.49 | supertanker | they should be harder ;) |
| 17:18.48 | JeffM2502 | then fix them |
| 17:18.57 | brlcad | SportChick: okay.. i'll want to work with you later tonight to figure out why if you don't mind |
| 17:23.17 | supertanker | does anyone know how to get gFTP to transfer more than one stinking file at a time? |
| 17:25.35 | [dmp] | mark more files, press the arrow pointing to the serverside dir list |
| 17:27.16 | Death_Barrel | i think he means transfer at the same time |
| 17:27.21 | Death_Barrel | supertanker: yes there is a way one sec |
| 17:27.26 | Death_Barrel | i have gftp open as we speak |
| 17:27.42 | Death_Barrel | do this supertanker |
| 17:28.05 | Death_Barrel | FTP > Options > uncheck "do one transfer at a time" |
| 17:29.20 | supertanker | I did. It still only does one at a time |
| 17:30.03 | supertanker | what is "passive" file transfer? |
| 17:30.04 | Death_Barrel | restart it |
| 17:30.12 | supertanker | I can't its in the middle of TRANSFERING |
| 17:30.22 | Death_Barrel | ftp supports resuming |
| 17:30.27 | Death_Barrel | its ok |
| 17:30.51 | Death_Barrel | but its not going to make it any faster for you |
| 17:31.02 | supertanker | well its 78% done anyways...might as well wait |
| 17:31.07 | Death_Barrel | unless you have massive ammounts of bandwidth |
| 17:31.15 | Death_Barrel | and you aren't maxing out on each file |
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| 17:32.43 | supertanker | I have dialup |
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| 17:34.35 | Death_Barrel | then it won't help you :) |
| 17:34.48 | Death_Barrel | my recommendation: just leave it like it is |
| 17:35.08 | supertanker | what about "close window and loose all data", will that help? :) |
| 17:36.29 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:36.51 | Death_Barrel | you can always resume a transfer through ftp |
| 17:41.33 | SportChick | brlcad: as long as it's not too late. i'd prefer before 9pm your time, if you don't mind |
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| 18:08.36 | supertanker | anyone want to see my new BZsite? |
| 18:10.37 | supertanker | http://bzflag.levelzone.net/bz2 |
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| 18:10.53 | supertanker | its open to the public- if you register you can edit the bzflag handbook and map archives |
| 18:13.08 | JeffM2502 | wow a generic CMS |
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| 18:13.58 | supertanker | its Drupal |
| 18:14.09 | supertanker | and there is ONE WHOLE MAP in the archive! awsome! |
| 18:14.58 | JeffM2502 | like I said a generic CMS page |
| 18:15.11 | supertanker | yes |
| 18:15.13 | supertanker | so? |
| 18:15.23 | JeffM2502 | just saying what it is |
| 18:15.25 | Tupone | JeffM2501: why you need xoops? |
| 18:15.38 | JeffM2502 | Tupone, was just experimnting with CMSs |
| 18:15.57 | supertanker | Drupal is nice, so is Mambo... |
| 18:16.07 | JeffM2502 | looking at what other systems had users and groups and stuff |
| 18:16.23 | JeffM2502 | I don't NEED anything |
| 18:16.27 | ToughShooter | I wrote an own CMS one time due to "too much time" |
| 18:16.39 | JeffM2502 | sadly I do not have "too much time" |
| 18:16.51 | supertanker | gotta go...cya. Check out the site... |
| 18:16.58 | ToughShooter | I have not, either nowadays :/ |
| 18:17.09 | JeffM2502 | Tupone, I was toying with the idea of puting playground on it's own list server/user system to experiment with other systems |
| 18:18.26 | JeffM2502 | was thinking that a user system that was also part of a CMS would have more options |
| 18:21.21 | JeffM2502 | mostly I just didn't want to look at the weapon and shot code one day, so I let my mind wander |
| 18:21.59 | Tupone | my choice are drupal, plone |
| 18:22.09 | JeffM2502 | what do they run on? |
| 18:22.12 | JeffM2502 | php, perl? |
| 18:22.19 | Tupone | drupal -> php |
| 18:22.24 | ToughShooter | In general the more complex the system is, the more problems you can have, when you reach limits |
| 18:22.35 | Tupone | plone -> zope -> python |
| 18:23.24 | Tupone | I'm dropping phpnuke, for it is the heaven of hackers |
| 18:24.27 | JeffM2502 | the php ones are easyer for me to install |
| 18:24.34 | JeffM2502 | tried a perl one and it was a pain |
| 18:24.55 | JeffM2502 | I think i'll just offer a cash bounty for one when I do realy need it ;) |
| 18:25.15 | Tupone | plone is good for having multiple CMS |
| 18:25.17 | JeffM2502 | 50$ for a user/cms/fourum/list server system |
| 18:25.42 | purple_cow | plone is nice but it requires setting up zope |
| 18:25.45 | purple_cow | with is a total pita |
| 18:25.49 | purple_cow | err, which |
| 18:26.49 | _Manu_ | a pita :) |
| 18:27.11 | Tupone | and heard is even CPU/memory hungry |
| 18:27.29 | Tupone | dunno why |
| 18:27.50 | _Manu_ | big python projects uses many memory |
| 18:28.01 | Tupone | much ? |
| 18:28.02 | _Manu_ | s/uses/require/ |
| 18:28.09 | _Manu_ | yes, much |
| 18:28.11 | _Manu_ | too much |
| 18:28.36 | _Manu_ | but usually works fine |
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| 19:45.29 | Mr_Molez | ~orchid++ |
| 19:45.37 | Mr_Molez | worked thnx ! :) |
| 19:45.51 | orchid | strange that happened in sarge though |
| 19:46.00 | orchid | you should file a bug :) |
| 19:46.27 | Mr_Molez | yeh.. i did dpkg to set locales it worked for commandline.. but most programs still used german |
| 19:46.38 | Mr_Molez | nah, it was probably my fault it happened, messed something up probably |
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| 19:57.51 | JeffM2502 | damn I forgot to test .7 debian packages on my 64 last night :( |
| 20:09.36 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/ (include/ShotDescriptor.h src/common/ShotDescriptor.cxx): functions to compare shot descriptors, so that server can verify that shots are made with the current weapon |
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| 20:12.58 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: don't let playes shoot if they don't have a weapon |
| 20:13.26 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/include/ShotUpdate.h: ws |
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| 20:41.20 | Alex135 | i have ben told by several people... that it is possible to implament rotateing meshes or something in a bzmap, is that true? |
| 20:41.49 | JeffM2502 | ish |
| 20:41.58 | Alex135 | ? |
| 20:42.10 | L4m3r | not solid, eye candy only. |
| 20:42.11 | JeffM2502 | trepan was doing some stuff on it |
| 20:42.14 | JeffM2502 | yeah |
| 20:42.16 | L4m3r | and only works in 2.0.5+ |
| 20:42.28 | JeffM2502 | or you can spin the textures on solid objects |
| 20:42.46 | Alex135 | i know wiht spin textures... but the objects is what im trying to figure out |
| 20:43.03 | Alex135 | is it implamented in 2.0.6? |
| 20:43.04 | JeffM2502 | not sure if it was doced |
| 20:43.08 | JeffM2502 | shoudl be |
| 20:43.11 | JeffM2502 | unless he pulled it |
| 20:43.17 | JeffM2502 | but again, it's NOT solid objects |
| 20:43.25 | L4m3r | I don't think he would, especially if it's undoc'd :P |
| 20:43.28 | JeffM2502 | they will be drive and shoot thru |
| 20:43.46 | Alex135 | yeah... i know that... |
| 20:43.48 | brlcad | it's still in there afaik |
| 20:43.49 | JeffM2502 | and it's not a generic object movment system |
| 20:44.06 | Alex135 | ... is there any documents on how to use it? |
| 20:44.09 | brlcad | disks, conveyor belts, etc |
| 20:44.15 | JeffM2502 | that woudl be the part of "undocumented" |
| 20:44.22 | Alex135 | lol |
| 20:44.23 | JeffM2502 | best to find a map that uses it and read it |
| 20:44.40 | JeffM2502 | check the manpage tho, he may have doced it |
| 20:44.45 | JeffM2502 | if not. then check the code |
| 20:44.46 | brlcad | basically add a rotating texture along with a physics driver |
| 20:45.10 | Alex135 | thats all it takes? |
| 20:45.18 | brlcad | should be iirc |
| 20:45.41 | JeffM2502 | try and see |
| 20:45.46 | brlcad | you can't rotate the geometry itself, like have a spinning tree, i think |
| 20:46.16 | JeffM2502 | he did a way to rotate geo too |
| 20:46.16 | blast007 | brlcad: trepan had a map where objects moved around a circular path |
| 20:46.17 | brlcad | that would muck with the collision detection and spacial stuff in the clients |
| 20:46.20 | JeffM2502 | yeah |
| 20:46.20 | blast007 | and it had spinning gears too |
| 20:46.26 | brlcad | really |
| 20:46.29 | JeffM2502 | brlcad, he had them non colision |
| 20:46.30 | Alex135 | i heard about that map |
| 20:46.31 | brlcad | hmm, i never saw that |
| 20:46.34 | brlcad | ahh |
| 20:46.39 | JeffM2502 | aka the eye candy only part |
| 20:46.42 | Alex135 | that is how i wanted to ask |
| 20:46.43 | brlcad | well, that's cheating :) |
| 20:47.01 | JeffM2502 | that's the part I'm not sure he kept in |
| 20:47.01 | Alex135 | ok... ill go check... is the map still out there? |
| 20:47.07 | Alex135 | oh... |
| 20:47.10 | JeffM2502 | Alex135, look and see |
| 20:47.15 | blast007 | Alex135: I checked the list, but didn't see it |
| 20:48.04 | Alex135 | hmmm.... well... ill go searching around... thx for letting me know it exists.. if someone could let me know if they find any info i would apreiciate it |
| 20:51.17 | Alex135 | is the name of the map known? |
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| 21:14.01 | Alex135 | aperently not... |
| 21:15.26 | JeffM2502 | from what i remember it was only one of his test maps |
| 21:15.30 | JeffM2502 | best thing to do |
| 21:15.37 | JeffM2502 | send him a PM on the boards |
| 21:17.42 | Alex135 | ok... i will |
| 21:17.51 | Alex135 | thx... |
| 21:22.24 | JeffM2502 | oh this is great... we go and make the server pack up the shot info using the server's data.. to prevent the player from changing there shot types...then the cient goes and ignores the data in the shot info and uses the local flag storage |
| 21:23.42 | Alex135 | ... where is that problem? |
| 21:23.54 | JeffM2502 | head |
| 21:25.31 | Alex135 | lol... sounds like you guys got work to do... |
| 21:25.48 | JeffM2502 | naw I'm riping out flags from shots and tanks anyways |
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| 21:34.22 | JeffM2502 | ugg.. gonna have to pull shot statistics too :( |
| 21:34.35 | SportChick | if you haven't already, you may want to go to +m for a few minutes |
| 21:34.42 | JeffM2502 | why? |
| 21:35.50 | JeffM2502 | what's coming? |
| 21:35.50 | SportChick | cheat spammer |
| 21:35.52 | JeffM2502 | we will if he comes here |
| 21:35.53 | SportChick | I'm pretty sure it was redsox, but he used "mooo" on my channel |
| 21:35.59 | JeffM2502 | aka "mariens"? |
| 21:37.01 | SportChick | yes |
| 21:37.05 | JeffM2502 | ok |
| 21:37.07 | SportChick | aka about 1000 other names |
| 21:37.11 | SportChick | pm |
| 21:37.12 | brad | ya it was him, same ident anyway |
| 21:37.25 | JeffM2502 | he been doing it a lot? |
| 21:38.17 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I'm not sure |
| 21:38.19 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, can a plugin make a GM world weapon that locks on a user? |
| 21:38.22 | SportChick | this was the first time I saw it |
| 21:38.25 | JeffM2502 | Gnurdux, no |
| 21:38.27 | SportChick | details in your pm |
| 21:38.52 | JeffM2502 | SportChick, you have to register to send PM |
| 21:38.54 | JeffM2502 | ;) |
| 21:38.55 | L4m3r | on that subject, is it even possible for the world player to lock on to someone? |
| 21:39.00 | JeffM2502 | no |
| 21:39.03 | Gnurdux | aww |
| 21:39.04 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I am registered silly |
| 21:39.05 | L4m3r | ok |
| 21:39.06 | JeffM2502 | they don't send out updates |
| 21:39.07 | SportChick | ohhh |
| 21:39.12 | SportChick | 2502 :( |
| 21:39.16 | JeffM2502 | damnit |
| 21:39.31 | SportChick | how do I know it's really you? |
| 21:39.37 | Gnurdux | why cant the world player lock on people? |
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| 21:40.11 | JeffM2501 | where else am I loged in? |
| 21:40.28 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:40.29 | Gnurdux | nowhere, you just ghosted yourself |
| 21:40.34 | JeffM2501 | stupid double clock |
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| 21:41.01 | JeffM2501 | 2 xchat windows right on top of each other :) |
| 21:41.21 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:41.49 | L4m3r | I once opened xchat twice by mistake... almost crashed the system, lol |
| 21:41.52 | JeffM2501 | anyone got a real ip for him? |
| 21:42.52 | JeffM2501 | I've been geting vauge reports that's hes been cheating again |
| 21:43.08 | JeffM2501 | he was let off masterban on the condition that he would no longer cheat or spam |
| 21:43.10 | SportChick | quantumdot has it, I think |
| 21:43.14 | SportChick | one sec |
| 21:43.29 | L4m3r | which player is this (what callsign)? |
| 21:43.43 | JeffM2501 | redsoxfan, |
| 21:43.44 | JeffM2501 | mariens |
| 21:43.47 | JeffM2501 | and otehrs |
| 21:43.51 | L4m3r | hm |
| 21:43.58 | L4m3r | which cheats? |
| 21:44.03 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 21:44.07 | JeffM2501 | just vauge report |
| 21:44.12 | L4m3r | oh |
| 21:44.31 | L4m3r | well, I'll keep an eye out. I think I've seen redsoxfan at mofo before. |
| 21:45.00 | JeffM2501 | why would he post a link to a cheat site that is passworded, but not give he passord |
| 21:45.03 | JeffM2501 | that's stupid |
| 21:45.09 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:45.22 | pyr02k1 | ive seen him several places... one name he used was Xxbullet I believe... dont remember it exactly, but he was a prick about it. threatened me after i made him look like a fool |
| 21:45.30 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, how do you like the idea of a side-based CTF plugin, sort of like the children's game |
| 21:46.00 | L4m3r | uh, go for it? |
| 21:46.13 | Gnurdux | where you can only shoot on your side, and if you take their flag to your side its a CTF |
| 21:46.23 | L4m3r | sure |
| 21:46.36 | Gnurdux | of course that would only work with 1 shot |
| 21:46.45 | Gnurdux | otherwise youy couldn't survive on the other side |
| 21:47.00 | Gnurdux | it could make customworld objects to define where you shoot |
| 21:47.07 | SportChick | JeffM2501: ip in your pm |
| 21:47.12 | Gnurdux | but it would need a server mod to let the API end shots |
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| 21:47.44 | L4m3r | why not just mod the position? |
| 21:47.54 | L4m3r | oh nvm that doesn't work, heh |
| 21:47.58 | Gnurdux | cause position isnt read by server |
| 21:48.05 | Gnurdux | i could change shot type to PZ |
| 21:48.17 | L4m3r | but you'd have no way of telling who shot |
| 21:48.22 | Gnurdux | umm yes i would |
| 21:48.28 | Gnurdux | wait no i wouldn |
| 21:48.34 | Gnurdux | but why do i need to know who shot? |
| 21:48.52 | Gnurdux | and if there is no rico, the issue of the player shooting themself doesnt apply |
| 21:49.00 | L4m3r | well, where you can shoot depends on which team you're on... |
| 21:49.06 | Gnurdux | oh true.... |
| 21:49.09 | Gnurdux | thats a good point |
| 21:49.10 | L4m3r | :P |
| 21:49.24 | L4m3r | A temporal distraction had a similar idea for something |
| 21:49.59 | L4m3r | he wanted a flag that only let WG kill above a certain altitude, so WG could only fight other WG |
| 21:50.14 | L4m3r | but I had no way of telling who had wings, heh |
| 21:50.26 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, umm yes you can |
| 21:50.34 | L4m3r | how? |
| 21:50.37 | Gnurdux | bzApiStringtype; |
| 21:50.43 | Gnurdux | thats the name of the shooting flag |
| 21:50.53 | L4m3r | oh, it's not just the shot type? |
| 21:50.58 | Gnurdux | i dont think so |
| 21:51.06 | L4m3r | hm... I'll play with it then |
| 21:51.06 | JeffM2501 | there is no such thing as "shot type" in the mainline |
| 21:51.25 | L4m3r | well in that case I have another idea :P |
| 21:51.30 | Gnurdux | what is it/ |
| 21:51.40 | JeffM2501 | but you can't realy tell a client to not blow itself up from the API |
| 21:51.44 | L4m3r | make it like, say, Halo... you can't kill while holding a teamflag |
| 21:52.02 | Gnurdux | hehehe |
| 21:52.09 | Gnurdux | but yo udont know the playerid |
| 21:52.35 | Gnurdux | you could still turn the shots into PZ |
| 21:52.36 | L4m3r | but if you know the flag the shot came from you don't need to |
| 21:52.49 | Gnurdux | it would be awesome to make a plugin that turns your shots into SWs |
| 21:52.52 | JeffM2501 | how are you going to prevent the kills? |
| 21:53.04 | L4m3r | turn the shots into PZ shots |
| 21:53.05 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, stop being a munchkin |
| 21:53.05 | Gnurdux | turn it into a PZ shot |
| 21:53.13 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, ahh |
| 21:53.14 | Gnurdux | and turn rico off so you cant blow yourself up |
| 21:53.19 | JeffM2501 | tho that only changes all but the shooter |
| 21:53.25 | L4m3r | good enough ;) |
| 21:53.31 | JeffM2501 | how can you turn rico off per player? |
| 21:53.37 | Gnurdux | you dont |
| 21:53.44 | L4m3r | just disable for everyone |
| 21:53.44 | Gnurdux | just use it on a ricoless server |
| 21:53.47 | JeffM2501 | that's a somewhat lame hack |
| 21:53.55 | L4m3r | yes, it is. |
| 21:54.09 | Gnurdux | who gives |
| 21:54.13 | L4m3r | but if it catches on we can put some time into fixing it... or doing the endshot thing |
| 21:54.24 | JeffM2501 | you'd not want to do the endshot |
| 21:54.29 | JeffM2501 | you'd want to turn off the weapon |
| 21:54.34 | JeffM2501 | so noone sees the shot |
| 21:54.42 | JeffM2501 | so theycan't even start a shot |
| 21:54.44 | Gnurdux | well i made a server mod |
| 21:54.53 | JeffM2501 | then there is no state mismatch |
| 21:55.00 | Gnurdux | that does an endshot for the player that shot it and doesnt tell it to anyone |
| 21:55.23 | JeffM2501 | what good is an endshot if you don't send it? |
| 21:56.02 | Gnurdux | no, what i did is in the shot fired function i made it send and endshot. then return |
| 21:56.12 | Gnurdux | everyone gets the endshot but not everyone gets the shot fired |
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| 21:56.18 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 21:56.23 | L4m3r | heh... maybe you could just set a shot limit on the teamflag, lol |
| 21:56.24 | Gnurdux | it doesn't crash clients, but it does block shots |
| 21:56.26 | JeffM2501 | does a client respec it's own endshot? |
| 21:56.35 | Gnurdux | but L4m3r you can still shot yourself with that |
| 21:56.39 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, yes |
| 21:56.45 | JeffM2501 | that's fugly |
| 21:56.59 | JeffM2501 | you end up with shot/endshot mismatch |
| 21:57.03 | L4m3r | yes, but you won't shoot because then you lose the flag. Just a bit of training |
| 21:57.21 | L4m3r | willpower vs panic :P |
| 21:57.24 | JeffM2501 | fix it in the proto |
| 21:57.26 | JeffM2501 | and do it right |
| 21:58.05 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, thats not a bad idea |
| 21:58.09 | Gnurdux | shot limit on teamflag |
| 21:58.26 | Gnurdux | or even better, just dont send the shot |
| 21:58.36 | Gnurdux | so you can still shoot yourself, but noone else sees it |
| 21:58.48 | Gnurdux | that would need a mod |
| 21:58.51 | L4m3r | that's basically the same as using PZ |
| 21:59.03 | Gnurdux | ya true |
| 21:59.15 | L4m3r | without the added bonus of hitting unsuspecting zoned newbies who have no idea what they're doing |
| 21:59.27 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, gnurdux.homelinux.net:5165 |
| 21:59.33 | Gnurdux | PZ sucks anyway |
| 21:59.49 | Gnurdux | wait 5154 not 5165 |
| 21:59.57 | Gnurdux | L4m3r |
| 22:01.48 | L4m3r | lol gnu |
| 22:01.51 | L4m3r | did it break? |
| 22:02.31 | Gnurdux | no |
| 22:02.38 | Gnurdux | i just minimized |
| 22:02.43 | L4m3r | oh |
| 22:02.50 | Gnurdux | for me the shots go about 0 units |
| 22:03.30 | Gnurdux | i just see a little flash and a bunch of fire |
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| 22:07.42 | DBO | can someone tell me why my bullets just pass through all the other tanks??? sorry for the n00b question... |
| 22:07.59 | L4m3r | are you using debian? |
| 22:08.04 | DBO | yes |
| 22:08.08 | L4m3r | AMD64? |
| 22:08.10 | DBO | yes |
| 22:08.23 | DBO | k7 kernel, but amd64 proc |
| 22:08.23 | Mr_Molez | uhoh |
| 22:08.33 | L4m3r | it's an issue with the debian package. compiling from source should fix it. |
| 22:08.54 | DBO | ok, works for me |
| 22:09.04 | L4m3r | GL. :) |
| 22:09.19 | DBO | thanks, I was tired of getting completely owned... |
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| 22:09.33 | L4m3r | heh, np. |
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| 22:20.00 | JeffM2501 | in playground there is just a message to set the players current weapon |
| 22:20.09 | JeffM2501 | you could send them a weapon that uses 100000000 power |
| 22:20.12 | JeffM2501 | they couldnever fire it |
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| 22:57.42 | DBO | L4m3r, thank you, compiled from source works perfectly |
| 22:57.54 | L4m3r | awesome. Have fun :) |
| 22:58.16 | DBO | now if only I didnt suck so bad... |
| 22:59.43 | blast007 | ;) |
| 22:59.47 | blast007 | you'll get better |
| 23:06.47 | JeffM2501 | make a "golf" server |
| 23:06.48 | JeffM2501 | low score wins |
| 23:06.58 | L4m3r | lol |
| 23:09.24 | DBO | the only way I kill anyone is when their tanks collide as they get pulled into my vortex of suckage |
| 23:09.57 | L4m3r | just practice and you'll get better. |
| 23:10.05 | DBO | hmmm, there needs to be a single player so I can practice with bots |
| 23:10.12 | L4m3r | and don't rely on flags because then you will suck forever :P |
| 23:10.21 | DBO | flags? |
| 23:10.26 | L4m3r | superflags |
| 23:10.29 | DBO | oh those |
| 23:19.02 | JeffM2501 | tha'ts a lot of people :) |
| 23:19.14 | JeffM2501 | but yes, some will not like it |
| 23:19.21 | JeffM2501 | and they don't have to play it ;) |
| 23:20.15 | JeffM2501 | but at least L4m3r will be able to do his thing where everyone starts with something like a superflag ;) |
| 23:20.55 | L4m3r | something like a superflag? I've already got it where you start with one |
| 23:21.16 | L4m3r | :P |
| 23:23.19 | JeffM2501 | well this wont' be a superflag |
| 23:23.31 | JeffM2501 | it'll just be your default weapon |
| 23:23.38 | JeffM2501 | you won't actualy HAVE a flag |
| 23:23.43 | L4m3r | yeah |
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| 23:24.04 | JeffM2501 | so when you drop your pickup weapon you'd go back to what your default weapon was |
| 23:24.41 | JeffM2501 | the ability to stack bad status's will be interesting too |
| 23:24.47 | JeffM2501 | no left turn and no right turn will suck :) |
| 23:24.51 | L4m3r | lol |
| 23:25.52 | JeffM2501 | tho for those I may combine them into "shakey steering" |
| 23:26.04 | JeffM2501 | where it's random from moment to moment what dir is busted |
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