irclog2html for #bzflag on 20060419

`00:05.38`	`*** join/#bzflag wizart (n=wizart@dslb-084-058-146-132.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`00:13.28`	`SportChick`	`is listserv still having trouble?`
`00:14.16`	`JeffM2501`	`some servers are probalby still moving`
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`00:14.44`	`DTRemenak`	`do we care?`
`00:15.04`	`bryjen`	`if you're the only one, and just now noticing...`
`00:15.09`	`DTRemenak`	`heh :)`
`00:15.24`	`DTRemenak`	`nobody uses HEAD anyway :)`
`00:15.41`	`DTRemenak`	`it worked as of prot 0034, but doesn't now`
`00:18.26`	`JeffM2501`	`is it used by any important OS?`
`00:18.37`	`JeffM2501`	`besides 'the one on your little server" ?`
`00:18.41`	`DTRemenak`	`not anymore`
`00:18.43`	`DTRemenak`	`that I know of`
`00:18.56`	`DTRemenak`	`heck, I'm two versions back on DragonFly`
`00:19.01`	`DTRemenak`	`I think they moved to 4`
`00:19.50`	`DTRemenak`	`the question is, do we want people who still haven't upgraded from whatever-the-last-debian-stable-was or freebsd4 or whatever to a) just work, or b) upgrade`
`00:20.26`	`JeffM2501`	`upgrade or die`
`00:20.44`	`JeffM2501`	`if your still on woddy..and playing games.... something wrong with you`
`00:21.01`	`JeffM2501`	`actualy the best question is... what do other apps do?`
`00:21.06`	`orange_away`	`I'm still on redhat 9 and playing bzflag :-)`
`00:21.12`	`JeffM2501`	`is GCC 3+ a common requirement?`
`00:21.20`	`purple_cow`	`woddy? :)`
`00:21.24`	`DTRemenak`	`relatively common for c++ apps`
`00:21.35`	`JeffM2501`	`then it's not unreasonable for us to need it too`
`00:21.37`	`DTRemenak`	`gcc 3's stl is way better`
`00:21.46`	`bryjen`	`~bryjen5`
`00:23.01`	`bryjen`	`hmm`
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`00:23.05`	`bryjen`	`~bryjen4`
`00:23.14`	`SportChick`	`well, I noticed because everyone was globally id'd on a server but me - and it required global for spawn/talk`
`00:23.48`	`DTRemenak`	`your isp's dns may not have updated yet`
`00:23.54`	`DTRemenak`	`it takes some time for everything to propagate`
`00:24.15`	`DTRemenak`	`and if the server thinks the list server has a different ip than your client thinks it does, then it has a wee problem`
`00:24.29`	`brlcad`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:24.35`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, ok thanks`
`00:24.43`	`JeffM2501`	`you continue... to kick ass`
`00:24.55`	`bryjen`	`cat /dev/random > JeffM2501`
`00:25.09`	`brlcad`	`especially my own.. ugh`
`00:25.15`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: yeah, even DF doesn't use gcc2.95 anymore: "GCC 3.4 is now the default compiler. 2.95.x is no longer supported (it can't handle the new threading storage classes properly)."`
`00:25.15`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`00:25.35`	`JeffM2501`	`well then I can't see how we should be left behind`
`00:25.44`	`JeffM2501`	`if they can't upgrade there free software....`
`00:25.54`	`JeffM2501`	`then what are they doing upgrading bzflag? :)`
`00:26.18`	`DTRemenak`	`heh :)`
`00:26.45`	`JeffM2501`	`got the first part of the altitiude thing worin`
`00:26.47`	`JeffM2501`	`workin`
`00:26.53`	`DTRemenak`	`now to figure out how the heck to upgrade`
`00:29.51`	`brlcad`	`the most common places i think one might find 2.95 still is on irix and os x 10.3 or earlier, and rare even on those two to be the default`
`00:30.10`	`brlcad`	`i.e. not a problem to drop them imo`
`00:30.47`	`brlcad`	`if someone wants to make the fixes, more power to them, but we have better things to work on in the core`
`00:31.53`	`brlcad`	`i have a bug report in to the php folks regarding the mail problem to see if they can think of anything to try`
`00:32.12`	`brlcad`	`i smell a dead end coming up, but we'll see .. the gdb trace did give me an idea to try though`
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`00:32.16`	`brlcad`	`http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=37120`
`00:32.23`	`brlcad`	`feel free to vote there :)`
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`00:37.07`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/data/Makefile.am: don't try to install files that don't exist`
`00:37.19`	`orange`	`~playground`
`00:37.34`	`orange`	`hmmm, factoid already exists, darn`
`00:37.48`	`brlcad`	`~literal playground`
`00:37.50`	`ibot`	`"playground" is "<reply> see bzfquery playground.gamesunited.de:5159"`
`00:37.59`	`orange`	`JeffM2501: will the playground version be 2.0.x or 2.1 compatible?`
`00:38.17`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`00:38.21`	`JeffM2501`	`never`
`00:38.22`	`JeffM2501`	`ever`
`00:38.29`	`JeffM2501`	`in a billion years`
`00:38.32`	`orange`	`heh, ok`
`00:38.35`	`menotume`	`does that mean maybe ?`
`00:38.42`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`00:38.42`	`brlcad`	`i think it means maybe`
`00:38.44`	`orange`	`I thought you were just doing some changes like radar shape, etc.`
`00:38.46`	`JeffM2501`	`if I feel like it`
`00:38.49`	`JeffM2501`	`or somone gets me a beer`
`00:38.56`	`orange`	`~beer JeffM2501`
`00:38.57`	`ibot`	`ACTION pours a quart of Yuengling Lager for JeffM2501`
`00:39.01`	`JeffM2501`	`orange, I expect parts to be put into 2.1`
`00:39.36`	`orange`	`JeffM2501: cool`
`00:40.04`	`orange`	`I was thinking ~playground might tell how to download and test it`
`00:40.12`	`JeffM2501`	`like the shot counter could go in now`
`00:40.14`	`JeffM2501`	`it's ready`
`00:40.48`	`menotume`	`that factoid can be replace`
`00:40.51`	`menotume`	`!Literal gu`
`00:40.57`	`menotume`	`~literal gu`
`00:40.58`	`ibot`	`"gu" is "Guam"`
`00:41.04`	`menotume`	`hmm`
`00:41.43`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not something that is test ready yet`
`00:41.51`	`JeffM2501`	`it is made to be broken`
`00:41.54`	`orange`	`ok, fair enough`
`00:41.55`	`JeffM2501`	`yet still use CVS`
`00:42.05`	`orange`	`some of the stuff sounded cool :-)`
`00:42.23`	`JeffM2501`	`umm all it has is the hud`
`00:42.30`	`JeffM2501`	`the rest i"m just talkin out my butt`
`00:43.11`	`orange`	`well, I wasn't going to do it tonight`
`00:43.14`	`orange`	`tomorrow would be fine`
`00:43.22`	`orange`	`just let me know ;-)`
`00:43.39`	`DTRemenak`	`aw crap...mixed up "rm" and "tar", deleted my home dir instead of backing it up :S`
`00:44.32`	`JeffM2501`	`ummmm... that's not good`
`00:44.37`	`DTRemenak`	`no, no it's not`
`00:44.41`	`QuantumBeep`	`Wow.`
`00:45.15`	`JeffM2501`	`why can't RM look and see "your about to delete a lot of files.. are you SURE"`
`00:46.22`	`DTRemenak`	`oh, I have it aliased to rm -i to avoid exactly that, but tar takes a -f argument`
`00:46.22`	`CBG`	`cause then it wouldnt be rm, then it would be like a regular delete function ;)`
`00:46.22`	`bryjen`	`your using tar -rf ?`
`00:46.45`	`DTRemenak`	`no...odd`
`00:47.21`	`DTRemenak`	`oh, my home dir was just a symlink`
`00:47.29`	`CBG`	`whew...`
`00:47.41`	`DTRemenak`	`not so bad`
`00:48.53`	`DTRemenak`	`yup, everything's still in the actual directory`
`00:49.44`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm what's the best way to turn a world point into a screen point`
`00:50.18`	`DTRemenak`	`isn't there a function to do that?`
`00:50.45`	`DTRemenak`	`or have I been playing with directx too much?`
`00:50.53`	`JeffM2501`	`I dono`
`00:51.06`	`JeffM2501`	`problem is, I'm allready in ortho`
`00:51.46`	`trepan`	`what are you trying to display?`
`00:52.02`	`trepan`	`hud markers?`
`00:52.07`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`00:52.08`	`JeffM2501`	`basicly`
`00:52.21`	`trepan`	`then you want world point -> angle ?`
`00:52.44`	`JeffM2501`	`then plot that against the FOV?`
`00:53.12`	`trepan`	`FOV has nothing to do with it... ?`
`00:53.22`	`JeffM2501`	`once I have an angle, then what?`
`00:53.43`	`trepan`	`draw it on to your circle; maybe i'm missing something`
`00:54.03`	`JeffM2501`	`no no`
`00:54.12`	`JeffM2501`	`not the circle`
`00:54.18`	`JeffM2501`	`I mean really on top of where it would be`
`00:54.41`	`trepan`	`just go back to the normal modelview/projection matrices ?`
`00:54.53`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't want Z`
`00:54.53`	`trepan`	`disable ztest/zmask`
`00:55.01`	`JeffM2501`	`I dont even want Z projection`
`00:55.05`	`JeffM2501`	`same mark size for any Z`
`00:55.16`	`trepan`	`gl points can do that`
`00:55.25`	`JeffM2501`	`it's going to be a texture`
`00:55.53`	`trepan`	`gluProject (3x) - map object coordinates to window coordinates`
`00:56.12`	`JeffM2501`	`probably uses feedback mode`
`00:56.20`	`JeffM2501`	`wonder how slow it is:)`
`00:56.22`	`JeffM2501`	`thanks`
`00:56.27`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll give it a whirl`
`00:56.37`	`brlcad`	`DTRemenak: ouch, heh.. close one :)`
`00:56.45`	`DTRemenak`	`no kidding :)`
`00:57.05`	`brlcad`	`how's your stomach taste? :)`
`00:57.18`	`DTRemenak`	`kinda like what I had for breakfast, but worse`
`00:57.56`	`Aribeth`	`rm is not your friend and neither is that -rf * :P`
`00:58.33`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: do look at gluProject(), think it's what you want (and does not use feedback)`
`00:58.37`	`bryjen`	`so cron could unlink your $HOME instead ;)`
`00:58.47`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, yeah :)`
`00:58.56`	`DTRemenak`	`"why's my home directory keep disappearing???"`
`00:59.25`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, I will, thanks`
`00:59.45`	`JeffM2501`	`I can pretransform all my markers before I go into hud mode :)`
`01:00.43`	`trepan`	`sounds like you could just use billboards; then again, i don't really know what you're doing ;)`
`01:01.00`	`JeffM2501`	`think of a lockon thingy on an airplane hud`
`01:01.10`	`JeffM2501`	`or a waypoint marker in halo`
`01:01.46`	`JeffM2501`	`or take a ray and project it to the object from your view, and allways draw the objet where it hits a sphere`
`01:02.14`	`JeffM2501`	`but I'm gonna clamp them to the sides of the screen if they are off the view`
`01:02.28`	`JeffM2501`	`so if it's off the view to the left, you just get an arrow on the left of the frame`
`01:02.45`	`trepan`	`for team flags?`
`01:02.50`	`JeffM2501`	`for lots of stuff :)`
`01:03.18`	`trepan`	`to each their own ;)`
`01:03.20`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh it uses the matrixes`
`01:03.32`	`L4m3r`	`it'd be nice to have those markers for your hunting target(s)`
`01:03.45`	`JeffM2501`	`so I just save off the viewport, proj, and modeview and I'm good`
`01:03.51`	`JeffM2501`	`L4m3r, exactly`
`01:03.58`	`JeffM2501`	`they have many uses`
`01:05.04`	`DTRemenak`	`how do I find my apache config file?`
`01:05.24`	`DTRemenak`	`if I don't know where it is, which oddly enough is the case, since it isn't where it was before?`
`01:05.56`	`brad2901`	`locate httpd.conf ? :P`
`01:05.59`	`DTRemenak`	`suppose that's what I get for upgrading`
`01:06.10`	`JeffM2501`	`apache 1 or 2?`
`01:06.14`	`DTRemenak`	`2`
`01:06.26`	`DTRemenak`	`locate finds the one I backed up before, when I knew where it was`
`01:06.27`	`JeffM2501`	`look for a dir called sites-enabled`
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`01:06.39`	`JeffM2501`	`should be in the same place that dir is`
`01:06.42`	`orchid`	`/etc/apache2/httpd.conf mebbie`
`01:06.53`	`menotume`	`locate httpd.conf`
`01:07.51`	`menotume`	`either /etc/httpd or /etc/apache(2)`
`01:07.58`	`bryjen`	`waring: locate.db is 5 minutes older than the file you're looking for`
`01:08.04`	`DTRemenak`	`heh :)`
`01:08.17`	`DTRemenak`	`ahhh.../usr/pkg/etc/apache2`
`01:08.29`	`DTRemenak`	`silly pkgsrc`
`01:15.28`	`SportChick`	`if I'm getting a message that says bad token - does that mean that something is wrong other than DNS?`
`01:15.35`	`*** join/#bzflag a-delusion (n=a-delusi@pool-151-201-245-133.pitt.east.verizon.net)`
`01:15.44`	`DTRemenak`	`not necessarily`
`01:15.58`	`DTRemenak`	`at this point in time I'd say it's probably dns not agreeing`
`01:16.16`	`DTRemenak`	`if you still have problems tomorrow, there might be something more to it`
`01:16.19`	`blast007`	`SportChick: ping my.bzflag.org, and see what IP it shows`
`01:16.22`	`SportChick`	`DTRemenak: you're just up the street from me - will you try connecting to brad.bzflag.org:5158 and see if it recongizes you`
`01:16.37`	`DTRemenak`	`just up the street, but totally different isp's :)`
`01:17.02`	`SportChick`	`69,.28.129.167`
`01:17.08`	`SportChick`	`(that's the ping result)`
`01:17.22`	`SportChick`	`ohhhh`
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`01:17.38`	`DTRemenak`	`~dns my.bzflag.org`
`01:17.41`	`SportChick`	`hrm, giving me the right server addy won't help will it, cuz it is the global id that is routed wrong`
`01:17.47`	`DTRemenak`	`not matching, see? :)`
`01:18.03`	`DTRemenak`	`66.111.56.50 is correct, your isp's dns server is out of date`
`01:18.14`	`DTRemenak`	`~dns my.bzflag.bz`
`01:18.42`	`DTRemenak`	`you can set your client to use my.bzflag.bz for the list server, that should work`
`01:18.56`	`brlcad`	`~nslookup 66.111.56.50`
`01:20.39`	`JeffM2501`	`SportChick, you can try one other thing`
`01:20.44`	`JeffM2501`	`go to run`
`01:20.49`	`JeffM2501`	`start - > run`
`01:21.00`	`JeffM2501`	`then put in ipconfig -flushdns`
`01:21.05`	`JeffM2501`	`and hit the button`
`01:21.49`	`brad2901`	`ipconfig /flushdns isn't it?`
`01:21.54`	`blast007`	`- works too`
`01:21.56`	`blast007`	`just tried`
`01:21.56`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah /`
`01:21.59`	`JeffM2501`	`ether or I think`
`01:22.03`	`brad2901`	`fine :)`
`01:22.06`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`01:28.53`	`SportChick`	`JeffM2501: I tried that - didn't work :(`
`01:28.55`	`SportChick`	`thanks though`
`01:29.15`	`JeffM2501`	`then your ISP has to update`
`01:29.18`	`SportChick`	`are any of you socalers on adelphia cable?`
`01:29.40`	`SportChick`	`i'm hoping I'm not banned again`
`01:29.41`	`JeffM2501`	`SportChick, it can take a day or 2 to update`
`01:29.45`	`SportChick`	`au :(`
`01:30.04`	`SportChick`	`I suppose resetting my router won't help`
`01:30.16`	`JeffM2501`	`probably not`
`01:30.30`	`SportChick`	`ok`
`01:30.37`	`JeffM2501`	`just change your config to have .bz`
`01:30.40`	`JeffM2501`	`and you'll be good`
`01:30.41`	`SportChick`	`well, thanks for the help...guess I'll be watching more than playing for a while`
`01:30.54`	`SportChick`	`oh?`
`01:30.56`	`SportChick`	`where's that?`
`01:30.57`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`01:31.15`	`DTRemenak`	`my documents\my bzflag files\2.0\config.cfg`
`01:31.19`	`JeffM2501`	`look for db.bzflag.org in your config`
`01:31.22`	`JeffM2501`	`change the .org to .bz`
`01:31.53`	`SportChick`	`i see http://my.bzflag.org/db/ is that the same thing?`
`01:32.00`	`DTRemenak`	`yup`
`01:32.05`	`DTRemenak`	`change .org to .bz`
`01:32.08`	`SportChick`	`ok`
`01:33.06`	`SportChick`	`yay!!!`
`01:33.10`	`SportChick`	`~dtremenak++`
`01:33.13`	`SportChick`	`~jeffm2501++`
`01:33.33`	`SportChick`	`thanks guys!!`
`01:34.05`	`DTRemenak`	`at some point you'll probably want to change it back in case we switch servers again`
`01:34.32`	`DTRemenak`	`but you can play now :)`
`01:34.51`	`CBG`	`Can someone remind me how to find a certain word (or whatever) in all/any files of a directory?`
`01:35.15`	`a_temp_dist`	`locate?`
`01:35.33`	`brad2901`	`cat file \| grep word ?`
`01:35.43`	`a_temp_dist`	`what os?`
`01:35.47`	`CBG`	`x`
`01:36.03`	`CBG`	`I want to find something within the file not filenames.`
`01:36.12`	`CBG`	`s/file /files /`
`01:37.54`	`JeffM2501`	`your OS search can't do that?`
`01:38.14`	`bryjen`	`stats.bzflag.org doesn't seem to be updating`
`01:38.17`	`a_temp_dist`	`not 10.3.9`
`01:38.17`	`CBG`	`Not all files in a whole directory at a time, to my knowledge.`
`01:38.28`	`JeffM2501`	`dude OSX sucks`
`01:38.55`	`a_temp_dist`	`10.4 has been able to do it for 13 years`
`01:39.08`	`JeffM2501`	`how about 1 year :)`
`01:39.13`	`a_temp_dist`	`heh`
`01:39.23`	`purple_cow`	`grep word file1 file2 ...`
`01:39.34`	`CBG`	`I need to list all the files?`
`01:39.42`	`purple_cow`	`you can use * :P`
`01:39.59`	`CBG`	`like /directory/wtf/* ?`
`01:40.29`	`purple_cow`	`try it, read a man page, google, etc`
`01:40.39`	`CBG`	`Thanks...`
`01:40.43`	`purple_cow`	`i'm not here to teach you how to go poo`
`01:40.52`	`CBG`	`I can do that ;)`
`01:43.51`	`purple_cow`	`it's a metaphor :P`
`01:44.05`	`brlcad`	`uh huh`
`02:07.54`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, that function did it, once I got the matrixes at the right point`
`02:13.41`	`DTRemenak`	`woot, crash`
`02:13.52`	`DTRemenak`	`get a corefile even?`
`02:14.02`	`brlcad`	`nope`
`02:14.06`	`brlcad`	`locked up the system`
`02:14.13`	`DTRemenak`	`oh!`
`02:14.16`	`DTRemenak`	`what fun`
`02:14.32`	`brlcad`	`something opengl-related`
`02:14.34`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx HUDRenderer.h playing.cxx):`
`02:14.34`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: get new hud altitude stuff working`
`02:14.34`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: start adding new hud visual markers.`
`02:15.47`	`brlcad`	`crashes the driver, halt ability to interact with the kernel (bad driver, no donut for you -- bad bz for poisoning it)`
`02:26.31`	`Thumper_`	`brlcad: ouch`
`02:26.37`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/data/message_admin.wav: update the admin sound to something less abrasive while still administratively appealing and portraying a hint of buzz.`
`02:27.58`	`QuantumBeep`	`Yes!`
`02:29.14`	`a-delusion`	`Another Yes! vote to changing the admin buzzer`
`02:29.20`	`Thumper_`	`brlcad: did you actually get to see anything? :D`
`02:31.05`	`Thumper_`	`brlcad: nvm. you did. (based on connect time and your comment)`
`02:33.15`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/data/message_admin.wav:`
`02:33.15`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: update over the new admin sound from head, forgot to mention that the sound was`
`02:33.15`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: obtained from the Flash Kit Sound Effects Ambience archive, with the author`
`02:33.16`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: listed as 'the beat suite' (www.beatsuite.com), license is 'linkware' so herein`
`02:33.16`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: is included the link to their site and credit for using their sound.`
`02:33.29`	`*** join/#bzflag SciDude (n=khamar@c-67-189-113-120.hsd1.or.comcast.net)`
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`02:35.12`	`brlcad`	`we're already moved`
`02:35.29`	`brlcad`	`global logins should already be working, it depends on how long your dns takes to update`
`02:35.48`	`JptrDuo`	`the serverlist on my.bzflag.org definitely isnt listing everything`
`02:35.48`	`SciDude`	`oh! ok, I'll try again. Was working last night but not now.`
`02:36.53`	`bryjen`	`"Database last refreshed: Tue, Apr 18 14:08:11 EDT 2006" on the my/stats.b.o page`
`02:38.10`	`brlcad`	`you're dns probably hasn't updated`
`02:38.20`	`brlcad`	`if you do an nslookup on my.bzflag.org, you should see this`
`02:38.24`	`brlcad`	`~dns my.bzflag.org`
`02:38.36`	`brlcad`	`if you see something different, you're isp hasn't updated yet`
`02:38.45`	`bryjen`	`yes, i do`
`02:39.25`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`02:39.54`	`bryjen`	`err...`
`02:40.58`	`bryjen`	`i'm getting the correct IP. going to .bz gets the same stale database`
`02:42.13`	`SciDude`	`I have the correct ip, but not a single user on secretplace can global login`
`02:42.42`	`bryjen`	`the secretplace server probly is still trying to use the old ip`
`02:42.59`	`SciDude`	`gotcha! (thick skull today)`
`02:48.39`	`*** join/#bzflag lan56 (i=lan56@user-vcautmj.dsl.mindspring.com)`
`02:52.48`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/AUTHORS: credit the beat suite for the admin message beep sound`
`02:53.04`	`*** join/#bzflag a-delusionbz (n=a-delusi@pool-141-158-72-246.pitt.east.verizon.net)`
`02:54.52`	`bryjen`	`brlcad: is the data collector script not running for the stats pages on the new machine?`
`02:55.35`	`menotume`	`heh, probably not`
`02:55.55`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: replaced admin message sound`
`02:55.58`	`brlcad`	`considering i don't know what you're talking about..`
`02:56.07`	`brlcad`	`probably`
`02:56.20`	`Thumper_`	`MOTD has a few minor problems: typo, and saturday 04/16/06 is um sunday. :D`
`02:57.49`	`bryjen`	`bzupdate.pl polls servers and fills the tables the current players/servers pages use`
`02:58.59`	`menotume`	`right, i see it on sp`
`02:59.10`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/NEWS: add section for 2.0.7 items so far`
`02:59.13`	`menotume`	`./loopbzupdate`
`02:59.15`	`brlcad`	`sounds horrible`
`02:59.17`	`menotume`	`i'll start it`
`02:59.41`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`03:00.16`	`menotume`	`no woner, it was in /support dir`
`03:00.42`	`SportChick`	`menotume: ping`
`03:00.46`	`menotume`	`yo`
`03:00.47`	`SportChick`	`menotume: aim :)`
`03:02.45`	`menotume`	`uh oh, adding someone to a group on bzbb hung for me`
`03:02.58`	`menotume`	`and, it's SportChick's fault`
`03:03.08`	`SportChick`	`:(`
`03:03.21`	`SportChick`	`hey, you should thank me! I helped you find a bug :)`
`03:04.45`	`bryjen`	`perhaps the MoTD should be updated to say the stuffs moved today (4/18/06), please be patient whilest the bugs are chased out`
`03:05.43`	`trepan`	`brlcad: "Only bug fixes should be applied" (more of a guideline then a rule?)`
`03:06.05`	`brlcad`	`trepan: i thought that was a bug`
`03:06.18`	`trepan`	`heh`
`03:06.38`	`bryjen`	`"...depends on what your definition of 'is' is."`
`03:10.30`	`SportChick`	`~menotume++`
`03:10.43`	`bryjen`	`menotume: did bzupdate explode horribly?`
`03:10.53`	`trepan`	`also, isn't 22050 hz like the rest of 'em`
`03:11.17`	`menotume`	`it exploded`
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`03:11.56`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ`
`03:13.06`	`cosmos`	`always a plus when your map contains a reversed swastika under enhanced radar`
`03:13.47`	`*** part/#bzflag a-delusionbz (n=a-delusi@pool-141-158-72-246.pitt.east.verizon.net)`
`03:14.21`	`trepan`	`could safely trim the last 75%+ of that sound as well`
`03:19.02`	`brlcad`	`it wasn't 22050? said it was`
`03:19.26`	`brlcad`	`i didn't bother checking, it sounded good as is`
`03:19.43`	`trepan`	`i'm showing 44100 hz`
`03:19.51`	`brlcad`	`wierd`
`03:26.22`	`menotume`	`~SportChick++ for finding a bug :P`
`03:26.48`	`SportChick`	`rofl`
`03:26.57`	`SportChick`	`menotume: that used to be my favorite job`
`03:27.02`	`SportChick`	`it's how I got most of my karma`
`03:34.23`	`blast007`	`in regards to the update script, I've been trying to start it, but it just gives me errors`
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`03:35.30`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/BZFlag_DevCpp.nsi: initial revision. by UL_Approved`
`03:39.12`	`*** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=chatzill@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1)`
`03:40.23`	`menotume`	`blast, yes`
`03:40.29`	`menotume`	`lot's of em`
`03:40.42`	`menotume`	`brlcad said he saw why, but had to go to bed`
`03:41.42`	`menotume`	`heh, you just saw it too - there is no list.bzflag.org`
`03:41.46`	`blast007`	`for one thing, it was trying to use http://list.bzflag.bz/db/?action=LIST as specified in the .pm`
`03:41.50`	`blast007`	`yeah`
`03:41.57`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/NEWS: NSIS dev-c++ script credit`
`03:41.57`	`menotume`	`i see you sruling :)`
`03:42.03`	`menotume`	`curling`
`03:42.08`	`blast007`	`:)`
`03:42.42`	`blast007`	`I told the script to use the right address, but I can't be sure it's getting that properly`
`03:42.52`	`blast007`	`since I get the same errors`
`03:43.13`	`menotume`	`ohh :(`
`03:43.34`	`blast007`	`my $serverlist = $bzinfo->serverlist(Server => "http://my.bzflag.bz/db/");`
`03:44.04`	`blast007`	`which is how it's supposed to be done according to the docs on cpan`
`03:44.46`	`menotume`	`i don't know perl :(`
`03:44.51`	`blast007`	`me either`
`03:45.05`	`blast007`	`which is why I'm tempted to just redo it in PHP ;)`
`03:45.11`	`menotume`	`ok, well that can wait till tomorrow`
`03:45.17`	`blast007`	`but that might have issues with the script timing out`
`03:45.25`	`menotume`	`why is that`
`03:45.28`	`blast007`	`(assuming safe_mode is on)`
`03:45.33`	`menotume`	`easy to fix`
`03:45.38`	`blast007`	`yeah`
`03:46.17`	`blast007`	`and I have an updated bzfquery.php in CVS, that takes into account the packet headers for the type and length`
`03:46.24`	`blast007`	`just like the perl module does`
`03:53.50`	`menotume`	`g'nite all`
`03:56.23`	`orange`	`menotume: last-second ping`
`03:57.43`	`orange`	`menotume: forget it :-)`
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`04:06.03`	`WonderMop`	`CVS question/confusion: I check out a cvs copy yesterday and tried to compile it on my gentoo box. When I run "./configure", it complains that "GL is not fully available" despite the fact I have it in /usr/include/GL. Any ideas?`
`04:07.20`	`trepan`	`try reading through config.log`
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`04:07.22`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o JBdiGriz] by ChanServ`
`04:07.33`	`WonderMop`	`ok`
`04:09.06`	`WonderMop`	`ok.. it runs the conftest and issues -lopengl32. it dies there`
`04:09.42`	`WonderMop`	`same error for SDL_image.h`
`04:09.43`	`WonderMop`	`?`
`04:13.02`	`WonderMop`	`does SDL and GL tie together?`
`04:14.17`	`WonderMop`	`argh! sorry`
`04:22.03`	`WonderMop`	`Ah.... ac_nonexistent.h: No such file or directory?`
`04:27.46`	`L4m3r`	`~lart WonderMop`
`04:27.54`	`L4m3r`	`next best thing.`
`04:28.02`	`WonderMop`	`excellent... thank you`
`04:28.08`	`lan56`	`~shoot WonderMop`
`04:28.10`	`ibot`	`ACTION shoots WonderMop in the ear with a quantum singularity weapon!`
`04:28.10`	`JeffM2501`	`did you run autogen?`
`04:28.13`	`lan56`	`I really had to tho :)`
`04:28.14`	`WonderMop`	`yup`
`04:28.39`	`JeffM2501`	`cvs head or 2_0 branch?`
`04:28.46`	`WonderMop`	`head`
`04:28.59`	`JeffM2501`	`noone realy plays head`
`04:29.16`	`WonderMop`	`trying to learn better C++ :)`
`04:29.16`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not compatable with the current table servers`
`04:29.33`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`04:30.23`	`WonderMop`	`this may be a gentoo thing`
`04:31.45`	`WonderMop`	`it claims that ... GL is not fully available (missing gl.h) in the configure`
`04:31.50`	`WonderMop`	`and it's there!`
`04:33.22`	`JeffM2501`	`it's probably a pthreads thing`
`04:33.38`	`WonderMop`	`ah`
`04:36.41`	`blast007`	`might have found part of the issue with the bzflag stats update script`
`04:37.08`	`blast007`	`the perl module on cpan is outdated (it doesn't support 2.0.x)`
`04:38.39`	`blast007`	`(the BZFlag/Info.pm one)`
`04:39.57`	`WonderMop`	`not pthreads --- other programs complie just fine`
`04:40.49`	`JeffM2501`	`the message is generic`
`04:40.54`	`JeffM2501`	`the log should show what exactly failed`
`04:41.38`	`WonderMop`	`1 min`
`04:42.30`	`WonderMop`	`ok.. complains about ac_nonexistant.h not being there, duh :)`
`04:42.51`	`JeffM2501`	`you have current verisons of autotools?`
`04:43.09`	`WonderMop`	`yup.. emerged them today`
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`04:43.29`	`JeffM2501`	`then should you not have that file?`
`04:43.41`	`WonderMop`	`in conftest (line 69): undef ref to shl_load`
`04:43.56`	`WonderMop`	`not sure Jeff.. other stuff compiles fine`
`04:44.07`	`WonderMop`	`btw: secretplace isn't on the list...`
`04:44.09`	`JeffM2501`	`well something is not working`
`04:44.19`	`JeffM2501`	`"other" stuff may not use what we use or are looking for`
`04:44.23`	`WonderMop`	`agreed`
`04:44.29`	`JeffM2501`	`so you'll have to figure it out`
`04:44.40`	`WonderMop`	`np :)`
`04:44.42`	`WonderMop`	`thanks`
`04:44.44`	`JeffM2501`	`the list server moved`
`04:44.51`	`JeffM2501`	`not all servers have updated DNS`
`04:45.00`	`WonderMop`	`oh ok :)`
`04:45.23`	`WonderMop`	`thought it was me screwing up again :)`
`04:46.29`	`JeffM2501`	`how could you screw up and just make one server not show`
`04:46.29`	`WonderMop`	`trust me. the last few days have been interesting`
`04:46.59`	`WonderMop`	`thanks again J --- gonna go beat my head out on this`
`04:46.59`	`*** part/#bzflag WonderMop (n=clickies@user-11fa862.dsl.mindspring.com)`
`04:47.28`	`blast007`	`J!`
`04:48.21`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, you are GMT -5?`
`04:48.28`	`JeffM2501`	`or where is the server?`
`04:48.32`	`JeffM2501`	`what timezone`
`04:49.30`	`SportChick`	`does anyone know whether Nid's dragon.org domain was on the server that he had to move?`
`04:49.36`	`JeffM2501`	`I think it was`
`04:50.24`	`SportChick`	`so his mailing lists won't work`
`04:51.06`	`JeffM2501`	`prolly not`
`04:51.11`	`JeffM2501`	`he said most of his mail was out`
`04:51.30`	`SportChick`	`yeah, it looks like it - I can't get to the list manager`
`04:58.44`	`*** join/#bzflag [Null]Piranha[fX (n=nsr@71-212-168-102.hlrn.qwest.net)`
`04:59.15`	`[Null]Piranha[fX`	`oi`
`04:59.39`	[NP]TangenT`	`I'm rather pissed about this whole qwest dsl thing`
`04:59.50`	[NP]TangenT`	`because thanks to qwest and their "spirit of service"`
`04:59.55`	[NP]TangenT`	`I can no longer play bzflag online`
`04:59.56`	[NP]TangenT`	`:(`
`05:00.05`	`*** join/#bzflag TimRiker (n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker)`
`05:00.05`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ`
`05:00.18`	[NP]TangenT`	`it's rather annoying`
`05:00.26`	`captrespect`	`?`
`05:00.31`	`captrespect`	`why is that`
`05:00.31`	`blast007`	[NP]TangenT`: can you elaborate?
`05:00.33`	`JeffM2501`	`huh?`
`05:00.34`	[NP]TangenT`	`my dsl keeps going on and off`
`05:00.36`	[NP]TangenT`	`dunno why`
`05:00.42`	`captrespect`	`oh`
`05:00.44`	`JeffM2501`	`so call them and fix it`
`05:00.44`	[NP]TangenT`	`it's not the modem`
`05:00.47`	`JeffM2501`	`or get another company`
`05:00.47`	[NP]TangenT`	`Jeff`
`05:00.50`	[NP]TangenT`	`we told them to fix it`
`05:00.54`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`05:00.59`	[NP]TangenT`	`and my parents are too cheap to go to comcast just yet`
`05:01.04`	`captrespect`	`quality service, get a new ISP`
`05:01.14`	`captrespect`	`comcast is probably just as bad`
`05:01.21`	[NP]TangenT`	`no`
`05:01.28`	`JeffM2501`	`then don't complain :)`
`05:01.28`	`lan56`	`earthlink is cheap and good qualithy`
`05:01.31`	[NP]TangenT`	`Comcast is pretty good here`
`05:01.45`	[NP]TangenT`	`but qwest has been dreadful`
`05:01.55`	`captrespect`	`around pittsburgh comcast/adelphia is the suck`
`05:02.06`	[NP]TangenT`	`I'm in Colorado`
`05:02.12`	[NP]TangenT`	`there's Qwest and Comcast`
`05:02.58`	`JeffM2501`	`and you came here to complain about it...`
`05:03.01`	`captrespect`	`if you have one dsl company you most likely have a lot more`
`05:03.11`	[NP]TangenT`	`Jeff`
`05:03.15`	`JeffM2501`	`most DSLs don't have enough upstream or relyability for a good server`
`05:03.25`	[NP]TangenT`	`apparently not`
`05:03.29`	[NP]TangenT`	`I didn't come to complain`
`05:03.30`	`JeffM2501`	`yes person with long complicated name?`
`05:03.41`	[NP]TangenT`	`I just got thrown off as soon as I got here the first time`
`05:03.43`	`captrespect`	`says JeffM2501`
`05:03.58`	`JeffM2501`	hey I don't have any [ or ` :)
`05:04.05`	`JeffM2501`	`JeffM was taken`
`05:04.18`	`JeffM2501`	`SportChick, this is what it looks like now`
`05:04.19`	`JeffM2501`	`http://beta.bzflag.bz/images/screens/bzfi0008.png`
`05:04.31`	`NP-Tangent`	`there`
`05:04.32`	`NP-Tangent`	`better?`
`05:04.52`	`JeffM2501`	`less symbols is always easer to type :)`
`05:05.00`	`SportChick`	`JeffM2501: what's the diff between the inner & other boxes & the circle?`
`05:05.15`	`JeffM2501`	`umm the outter one spins`
`05:05.23`	`JeffM2501`	`the inner one is where your shots come out of`
`05:05.36`	`captrespect`	`can you aim up and down?`
`05:05.40`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`05:06.03`	`SportChick`	`jeff, did you leave the N on the radar? (and did you get my memo from last night about that)?`
`05:06.14`	`JeffM2501`	`we talked about removing it`
`05:06.19`	`JeffM2501`	`I just haven't done it`
`05:07.01`	`SportChick`	`JeffM2501: please don't :P`
`05:07.14`	`SportChick`	`I saw you talking about removing it, but i think that is a mistake`
`05:07.17`	`JeffM2501`	`prolly only will for extreme`
`05:07.23`	`blast007`	`I like the N on the radar too :)`
`05:07.28`	`JeffM2501`	`then don't play playground`
`05:07.53`	`blast007`	`though with the nifty circle with NSEW, I might not need it`
`05:07.59`	`SportChick`	`well, the issue with removing it from the radar is for those of us who play mostly with radar`
`05:08.04`	`SportChick`	`I almost never look out hud`
`05:08.04`	`JeffM2501`	`exactly blast007`
`05:08.25`	`JeffM2501`	`SportChick, I'm not doing these changes to make anyone specificly happy other then myself`
`05:08.27`	`SportChick`	`JeffM2501: can you do a screen shot to show what it looks like with radar 2/3 of the screen and opaque?`
`05:08.30`	`blast007`	`I only use the N to orient myself after a death, in order to locate the position I died`
`05:08.38`	`blast007`	`and get my flag back ;)`
`05:08.40`	`SportChick`	`JeffM2501: I'm just curious :)`
`05:08.41`	`JeffM2501`	`NONE of these changes are 100% going into any public version`
`05:08.52`	`SportChick`	`JeffM2501: I understand.`
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`05:09.02`	`SportChick`	`but I'd still like to see how it looks with all the fancy stuff you did`
`05:09.14`	`JeffM2501`	`SportChick, no, I personaly wish to remove the radar stuff that size`
`05:09.27`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a 3d game, not a 2d one`
`05:09.45`	`SportChick`	`JeffM2501: remove it from your playground version? or all versions?`
`05:09.59`	`JeffM2501`	`I would not change the way basic bzflag works`
`05:10.21`	`JeffM2501`	`but I think the fact that so many people use it in the regular one, shows flaws in the gameplay and view`
`05:10.22`	`SportChick`	`you'll have a riot on your hands from the ducati & gu folks (and maybe some others) if you remove the radar sizing`
`05:10.30`	`JeffM2501`	`personaly I don't care about them`
`05:10.37`	`SportChick`	`gee thanks :(`
`05:10.43`	`JeffM2501`	`but like I said, I won't change how basic bzflag works for those reasons :)`
`05:11.03`	`JeffM2501`	`regular bzflag players like your gu and ducati people are very much stuck on what they have`
`05:11.10`	`JeffM2501`	`so may as well let em have it`
`05:11.16`	`JeffM2501`	`this is another version`
`05:17.18`	`trepan`	`the N shouldn't be removed from the radar (without a reasonable replacement)`
`05:17.39`	`JeffM2501`	`make the radar round, and put a north mark on the bezel :)`
`05:17.51`	`L4m3r`	`for anyone interested, the steal the bacon game actually has players right now...`
`05:18.23`	`L4m3r`	`It could make a nice new game mode with a few tweaks... cough`
`05:20.04`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: yup, that's pretty much the same thing`
`05:20.18`	`JeffM2501`	`it just looks cooler`
`05:20.37`	`deadman`	`anybody, how do i kick someone thats using he wrong pswd?`
`05:21.16`	`L4m3r`	`the REQUIREIDENTIFY perm IIRC`
`05:21.26`	`trepan`	`you want cool, 3d radar (even the c64 Elite radar was cool for its day)`
`05:22.10`	`deadman`	`got that, is it automatic then?`
`05:23.28`	`deadman`	`nevermind answered my own question`
`05:25.32`	`deadman`	`steal the bacon hard to follow game play`
`05:26.03`	`L4m3r`	`not really, unless you lose track of the flag`
`05:26.06`	`NP-Tangent`	`what is steal the bacon?`
`05:26.21`	`L4m3r`	`it's round-based CTF with only one flag`
`05:26.26`	`deadman`	`lose track, easy for me... ;-)`
`05:26.28`	`L4m3r`	`dropped at the center`
`05:26.35`	`NP-Tangent`	`ah`
`05:26.40`	`captrespect`	`that's a good mode`
`05:26.45`	`L4m3r`	`so the whole server is fighting over the same flag... it gets crazy`
`05:26.59`	`L4m3r`	`needs 9 or 10 people to be really good :)`
`05:27.00`	`NP-Tangent`	`my new favorite server is silvercat.bzflag.org`
`05:27.09`	`deadman`	`needs a speed check, runs around like on ritalin`
`05:27.10`	`NP-Tangent`	`I also like badgerking's server`
`05:27.12`	`captrespect`	`last time I was playing the flag kept getting lost though`
`05:27.26`	`L4m3r`	`I fixed that`
`05:27.33`	`deadman`	`when`
`05:27.35`	`L4m3r`	`it was when the bot kept getting kicked right?`
`05:27.39`	`captrespect`	`yeah`
`05:27.44`	`L4m3r`	`yeah, no more bot ;)`
`05:27.50`	`captrespect`	`kept going out the arena or something`
`05:27.52`	`captrespect`	`cool`
`05:27.58`	`L4m3r`	`modded BZFS so it wouldn't remove the flag anymore`
`05:28.03`	`deadman`	`oops need another fix cya`
`05:28.10`	`L4m3r`	`cya`
`05:28.13`	`captrespect`	`I'd join but I'm a-workin`
`05:28.22`	`deadman`	`steal the bacon`
`05:28.23`	`L4m3r`	`it's dying down anyway :P`
`05:28.30`	`deadman`	`:-P`
`05:28.47`	`L4m3r`	`one of these days I'll get a new map and go back to two teams`
`05:29.20`	`NP-Tangent`	`how do you set up the two team thing?`
`05:29.24`	`NP-Tangent`	`like red v blue`
`05:30.01`	`L4m3r`	`special map tweaks, some slight modifications to BZFS, and other goodies`
`05:30.37`	`NP-Tangent`	`ah`
`05:32.18`	`L4m3r`	`can anyone tell me which file to I can look at to make BZFS spawn a purple flag without having a purple slot?`
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`05:40.38`	`JeffM2501`	`great...`
`05:46.01`	`cosmos`	`they need to spend less time with the irc scripts and more time studying`
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`05:55.49`	`[NP]TangenT`	`anyways`
`05:55.53`	`[NP]TangenT`	`I've gotta go to sleep now`
`05:56.12`	`[NP]TangenT`	`going out of town tomorrow, I'll be back to (hopefully) play some bzflag sunday night`
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`06:09.17`	`Sparky1`	`hello`
`06:09.31`	`JeffM2501`	`hello`
`06:10.08`	`Sparky1`	`I'm trying to get my joystick to work on BZFlag, any suggestions?`
`06:10.16`	`JeffM2501`	`what OS?`
`06:10.31`	`Sparky1`	`Windows XP Pro`
`06:10.44`	`JeffM2501`	`should be prety straight forward then`
`06:10.52`	`JeffM2501`	`asuming you have a directX driver for it`
`06:11.55`	`Sparky1`	`how could I find out if I have the directX driver?`
`06:12.15`	`JeffM2501`	`did you install drivers with the stick?`
`06:13.32`	`Sparky1`	`don't rember, I installed it a while ago with a CD, so maybe :-)`
`06:13.43`	`JeffM2501`	`does your OS see it`
`06:13.49`	`JeffM2501`	`in the game controllers controll pannel?`
`06:14.39`	`Sparky1`	`yep, it does recognize it`
`06:14.45`	`JeffM2501`	`does the game see it?`
`06:16.37`	`Sparky1`	`I don't think so, the "Joystick Devise" option under input settings won't let me change it from the off value`
`06:16.49`	`JeffM2501`	`what version are you using?`
`06:17.24`	`Sparky1`	`2.0.6`
`06:17.50`	`JeffM2501`	`our binary build?`
`06:20.43`	`Sparky1`	`um, not sure, i just downloaded windows version 2.0.6 as an exe file`
`06:20.56`	`JeffM2501`	`where did you get it from?`
`06:21.55`	`Sparky1`	`http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.6-20060409.exe?download`
`06:22.00`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`06:22.05`	`JeffM2501`	`well then that supports sticks`
`06:22.12`	`JeffM2501`	`if it says no ,then we could not find the stick`
`06:22.20`	`JeffM2501`	`and that means direct X can't find it`
`06:22.27`	`JeffM2501`	`so you may want to see if there are newer drivers for it`
`06:22.39`	`Sparky1`	`k`
`06:24.17`	`brlcad`	`yawn`
`06:26.55`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: usually gmt-5 yes`
`06:27.03`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`06:27.08`	`brlcad`	`eastern timezone (florida)`
`06:27.23`	`JeffM2501`	`was set to AX`
`06:27.25`	`JeffM2501`	`AZ`
`06:28.59`	`brlcad`	`new radar makes for a perfect gunner's view!`
`06:29.14`	`JeffM2501`	`new radar?`
`06:29.28`	`brlcad`	`er not radar`
`06:29.34`	`brlcad`	`heads up`
`06:29.58`	`brlcad`	`mouse box vx mouse circle`
`06:30.15`	`JeffM2501`	`I just call it the sight`
`06:30.22`	`brlcad`	`that would be an excellent way to distinguish a gunner from a driver`
`06:30.35`	`brlcad`	`in a two-seater tank`
`06:30.35`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx HUDRenderer.h): now with better waypoint markers`
`06:31.22`	`brlcad`	`could be the two hours sleep talking, but I do like a lot :)`
`06:31.45`	`cosmos`	`problem child`
`06:32.15`	`JeffM2501`	`well I wanted the middle target to change based on your gun :)`
`06:32.50`	`brlcad`	`that's what makes it a great gunner view`
`06:32.52`	`JeffM2501`	`and the waypoints still have a problem when they get off view, it's not clamping them right`
`06:33.15`	`JeffM2501`	`the drivers will have motion feedback stuff`
`06:33.23`	`JeffM2501`	`so you could take that off for the gunner`
`06:34.34`	`brlcad`	`it could even be toggleable, so default driving could select either view style by default -- but then for two-seat tanks, that would be perfect for distinguishing`
`06:35.31`	`brlcad`	`prolly not what you had in mind but it got me all worked up in my half-sleep state`
`06:35.40`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`06:35.52`	`JeffM2501`	`it was origonal made cus the ship tilted`
`06:35.59`	`JeffM2501`	`parts of it rotate`
`06:36.02`	`JeffM2501`	`parts don't`
`06:36.06`	`brlcad`	`yeah`
`06:36.30`	`brlcad`	`i'm thinking a gunner view would imply you can look up/down, etc -- different controls`
`06:36.51`	`brlcad`	`whereas we're all presently only familiar with a driver's view`
`06:36.59`	`brlcad`	`which is rather fixed`
`06:37.22`	`brlcad`	`because... we're driving ... and there's only so much you can do while driving`
`06:37.29`	`JeffM2501`	`then you'd want azimuth`
`06:38.21`	`brlcad`	`but for a gunner.. you got azimuth going too and maybe couple keys for driving then like most fps`
`06:38.41`	`JeffM2501`	`if you went full turret, you'd go mouse and wads`
`06:38.52`	`JeffM2501`	`tho turning with wads AND turning the turret is a pain`
`06:39.46`	`brlcad`	`for multitank, it simply becomes an either/or option`
`06:42.00`	`brlcad`	`okay, time to get back to the zz task at hand`
`06:42.02`	`_Manu_`	`brlcad, speaking in dreams? ;)`
`06:42.06`	`brlcad`	`_Manu_: :)`
`06:42.20`	`_Manu_`	`it says.. z`
`06:43.09`	`_Manu_`	`brlcad, you are away.. aren't you? :-p`
`06:43.51`	`brlcad`	`of course`
`06:44.12`	`_Manu_`	`hehe than what I said, speaking in dreams :)`
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`12:00.42`	`Mr_Molez`	`cvs updated yet ?`
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`12:46.01`	`Mr_Molez`	`menotume: pingy ping ping ping`
`12:50.23`	`trepan`	`oops, cosim should be cosim_branch (cvs rtag -d -B cosim bzflag ? =)`
`12:50.26`	`SportChick`	`Mr_Molez: I think he's still sleep sleep sleeping`
`12:57.48`	`Mr_Molez`	`hehe`
`12:58.23`	`Mr_Molez`	`me gots spawny bugs :P`
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`15:18.30`	`bryjen`	`blast007 / menotume : no luck getting the stats.b.o data updating?`
`15:19.44`	`brlcad`	`~nslookup list.bzflag.org`
`15:22.42`	`brlcad`	`the perl module was/is pulling the wrong url`
`15:24.34`	`bryjen`	`list? when's that from, 1.7? the Info.pm is CVS has my.bzflag.org.`
`15:24.49`	`bryjen`	`s/is/in/`
`15:26.50`	`brlcad`	`then the wrong Info.pm is installed :)`
`15:29.22`	`[dmp]`	`is bzflag.bz going to be main domain or is it just while servers are migrated?`
`15:30.10`	`CBG`	`The DNS should change so that bzflag.org = bzflag.bz, i think.`
`15:30.33`	`[dmp]`	`here its the same :-)`
`15:30.58`	`bryjen`	`the one is cvs has my. from Dec'04, and db. back to the initial check-in in Apr'04`
`15:36.17`	`bryjen`	`yes, yes, grep -i ...I know`
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`15:37.03`	`gsnedders`	`why do we have a domain from Belize?`
`15:37.06`	`gsnedders`	`:P`
`15:37.10`	`bryjen`	`http://bzflag.sourceforge.net/list-server.txt that _is_ from 1.7`
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`16:21.43`	`gsnedders`	`:\`
`16:22.22`	`Mr_Molez`	`lol`
`16:23.59`	`gsnedders`	`that's insanely high.`
`16:24.14`	`gsnedders`	`you're practically assuming you're going to be spawn killed.`
`16:24.23`	`SportChicky`	`Mr_Molez: ping`
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`16:25.42`	`bryjen`	`gsnedders: on a server with how many shots & players?`
`16:26.12`	`gsnedders`	`bryjen: Viper's, 5 shot, and c. 12 players`
`16:26.19`	`bryjen`	`not to belittle the problem, as it is a know issue`
`16:26.42`	`gsnedders`	`it happens FAR too often`
`16:26.57`	`bryjen`	`yeah, those counts aren't too high :(`
`16:27.10`	`CBG`	`gsnedders: server version? 2.0.6?`
`16:27.20`	`gsnedders`	`2.0.5.something`
`16:27.40`	`gsnedders`	`200604xx, IIRC`
`16:28.09`	`Mr_Molez`	`SportyGal: pong`
`16:28.09`	`gsnedders`	`200512, actually`
`16:28.09`	`gsnedders`	`woah.`
`16:28.18`	`gsnedders`	`I thought it'd been updated more recently :P`
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`16:28.46`	`JeffM2501`	`wh00t.. I got banned`
`16:28.51`	`SportyGal`	`Mr_Molez: check essy`
`16:29.04`	`gsnedders`	`JeffM2501: where? :o`
`16:29.22`	`JeffM2501`	`here`
`16:29.27`	`gsnedders`	`ah`
`16:30.23`	`JeffM2501`	`I feel so loved`
`16:31.22`	`bryjen`	`JeffM2501: ?!?`
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`16:33.16`	`gsnedders`	`script kiddies!`
`16:33.17`	`gsnedders`	`w00t!`
`16:33.18`	`gsnedders`	`:D`
`16:33.24`	`Mr_Molez`	`hehe. The room moderators should sort it out and there are nothing wrong with warez :P`
`16:33.34`	`Mr_Molez`	`*is`
`16:33.42`	`JeffM2501`	`yes.. yes there is`
`16:33.44`	`bryjen`	`spelling, at least`
`16:33.46`	`JeffM2501`	`legal issues`
`16:34.16`	`Mr_Molez`	`software shouldn't cost :P`
`16:34.28`	`JeffM2501`	`so you want me to starve?`
`16:34.51`	`Mr_Molez`	`ahh thats y ur opposed to it hehe`
`16:35.02`	`JeffM2501`	`there are reasons for free software`
`16:35.05`	`JeffM2501`	`and reasons for pay software`
`16:35.10`	`JeffM2501`	`they all have there place`
`16:35.14`	`bryjen`	`it matters not how you _want_ things to work. this is the world as it is. deal with it.`
`16:35.23`	`JeffM2501`	`since we have a money based socieity, some things have to cost`
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`16:36.26`	`JeffM2501`	`I think cars should not cost`
`16:37.16`	`bryjen`	`JeffM2501: you don't have to starve. you could still be paid for the work you do. it's just the duplication of software costs very little, why should you (or more likely, your employer) get big $$ for copies?`
`16:37.45`	`JeffM2501`	`because we don't sell enough to make enough to run`
`16:37.51`	`JeffM2501`	`it's very niche software`
`16:37.57`	`bryjen`	`duplication of cars cost a bit ;)`
`16:38.00`	`JeffM2501`	`not all software is sopmething EVERYONE needs`
`16:38.15`	`JeffM2501`	`creation of software can take much more time then the making of a single car :)`
`16:38.29`	`JeffM2501`	`and people need to eat over time`
`16:38.51`	`JeffM2501`	`if we sold millions of copys of our stuff it would not cost as much as it does`
`16:39.12`	`JeffM2501`	`it costs what it does, because it's what we have to charge to keep running`
`16:39.38`	`bryjen`	`its up to the author/rights holder how they want to charge for thier copyrighted works. ask for what you like, and if people go for it, good for you.`
`16:39.48`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`16:39.56`	`JeffM2501`	`we are one of the cheapest in our fields`
`16:40.03`	`JeffM2501`	`that's how we got to #3 :)`
`16:40.28`	`JeffM2501`	`you coudl say the same thing about art, duping is often cheap, but why does a poster cost 20$? ;)`
`16:40.57`	`JeffM2501`	`the warez people just think the world should be free`
`16:41.05`	`JeffM2501`	`they will learn when they have to pay rent :)`
`16:41.39`	`bryjen`	`comparing the designing of a new car to writing software may be more accurate. then the duplication is pressing CD's vs. manufacturing cars.`
`16:41.44`	`JeffM2501`	`but then it's not like my company has a huge problem with piracy`
`16:41.50`	`JeffM2501`	`I mean who steals a cam system?`
`16:42.43`	`bryjen`	`arrr, machine me a new hook, matey!`
`16:42.49`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`16:43.01`	`JeffM2501`	`considering our software won't even make code for a meachine out of the box`
`16:43.15`	`JeffM2501`	`you need a cusomised part that generates code for your specific machine`
`16:44.19`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm all for free software... if it's authors want to donate the time to make it free ( for the fun of it )`
`16:44.36`	`JeffM2501`	`but I also understand that peeps gots to eat`
`16:44.58`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't think we would have free software if it wasn't for pay software`
`16:45.11`	`JeffM2501`	`cus it's the people who make pay software who make the free stuff in there spare time`
`16:45.34`	`JeffM2501`	`the pay software drove them to learn the skills to make software in the first place`
`16:46.43`	`JeffM2501`	`and I think molez just likes to download free pr0n from the warez kiddies ;)`
`16:47.06`	`Mr_Molez`	`i dont actually use irc :P`
`16:47.08`	`Mr_Molez`	`for that`
`16:47.19`	`JeffM2501`	`I was speaking in general`
`16:47.30`	`Mr_Molez`	`and i usually only get tv shows`
`16:47.33`	`Mr_Molez`	`and the odd game`
`16:47.48`	`JeffM2501`	`tv shows are an interesting gray area`
`16:47.53`	`JeffM2501`	`they broadcast them for free`
`16:47.54`	`bryjen`	`there's still money to be made around "free" software. not everyone wants to learn to program to get bugs fixed or things customized they way they want, some are willing to pay for those as services`
`16:47.58`	`JeffM2501`	`but get all pissy when you download them`
`16:48.33`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, this is true, now. But I think we are only able to be at that point because of the history of pay software`
`16:48.37`	`Mr_Molez`	`i sign up to things like ess.tv and other only networks that play tv shows`
`16:48.55`	`JeffM2501`	`if there had never been any pay software ever, people would have a difrent idea of what you get out of software`
`16:48.57`	`Mr_Molez`	`-only`
`16:49.12`	`JeffM2501`	`service is a big part of software now`
`16:49.19`	`JeffM2501`	`cus people are dumb :)`
`16:49.26`	`Mr_Molez`	`hehe`
`16:49.35`	`bryjen`	`the theory with tv broadcast is they can sell ads.`
`16:49.44`	`JeffM2501`	`we make most of our income now, not on new software sales, but service contracts to keep people up to date on the current verion`
`16:49.57`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah on the TV shows, like I said it's interesting`
`16:50.08`	`bryjen`	`bloop`
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`16:52.28`	`JeffM2501`	`wonder if the webserver is still doing hourly restarts`
`16:52.35`	`JeffM2501`	`cus that would suck for webchat`
`16:52.48`	`JeffM2501`	`bahh I'm still banned`
`16:54.14`	`brlcad`	`[dmp]: main domain name will be unchanged`
`16:54.53`	`brlcad`	`bryjen: hmm.. not a bad idea.. tax sheltering`
`16:55.08`	`brlcad`	`and the whole world taking thing`
`16:56.39`	`JeffM2501`	`brclad the boards still hang on mail every so often, so I don't think it "went away" it's just sporatic`
`16:56.46`	`JeffM2501`	`I saw you put in a SMTP server`
`16:56.55`	`JeffM2501`	`but didn't turn on the "use it" button`
`16:59.12`	`JeffM2501`	`oh and a heartfelt "word up G" to you`
`17:00.27`	`blast007`	`http://my.bzflag.org/serverlist.php I like the last one ;)`
`17:00.50`	`JeffM2501`	`I LOVE the HTML 2.0 server`
`17:01.36`	`blast007`	`anyone have the ability to put the newer BZFlag/Info.pm module into the perl include directory?`
`17:01.47`	`JeffM2501`	`that brlcad guy does`
`17:02.09`	`JeffM2501`	`I thankfully do not have sudo on the new machine`
`17:02.47`	`blast007`	`cuz I know the script works here on my XP machine, with the newer module`
`17:03.31`	`JeffM2501`	`if you belive the western sun.. is falling down... on everyone...`
`17:06.56`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: it is still restarting, on the 50 .. i'm about to turn that to daily to see how things go`
`17:07.25`	`brlcad`	`mail should be hanging all the time still`
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`17:07.36`	`brlcad`	`just making a post doesn't hang any more`
`17:07.51`	`brlcad`	`word up G :)`
`17:12.03`	`brlcad`	`blast007: you should be able to write the new file`
`17:12.08`	`brlcad`	`path is /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/BZFlag/`
`17:12.13`	`blast007`	`k`
`17:13.47`	`JeffM2501`	`heh, so that's why I got booted from CGI IRC at 51 on my clock :)`
`17:14.00`	`JeffM2501`	`well it's a good way to clear out trolls`
`17:14.04`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`17:14.13`	`blast007`	`brlcad: thx, got the script working now`
`17:14.23`	`JeffM2501`	`making a post sometimes hangs for me, sometimes dosn't`
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`17:14.41`	`blast007`	`so do I just run it in a screen now? or what's the best way to run the script?`
`17:15.58`	`brlcad`	`blast007: let me know what line you want and I'll put it in /etc/crontab`
`17:16.20`	`blast007`	`there is a shell script set up to loop it`
`17:16.30`	`brlcad`	`should go in some system place so it gets kicked off on a reboot`
`17:16.41`	`blast007`	`and technically the bzupdate.pl loops itself, but we do the shell script to make sure`
`17:16.47`	`brlcad`	`can you mod the script so it detects whether it's already running?`
`17:17.12`	`blast007`	`I have no idea how :) I'm not much of a *nix scripter`
`17:17.19`	`brlcad`	`or i can, I do something similar for the automatic firewalling`
`17:17.45`	`bryjen`	`or make the .pl not loop itself and set it for every 5 minutes in cron`
`17:17.56`	`blast007`	`yeah, that would work too`
`17:18.16`	`brlcad`	`saves a process slot`
`17:18.23`	`brlcad`	`and a hint of memory`
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`17:29.27`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10db/support/ (README bzupdate.pl): disable the 5 minute loop in the update script so that it can be added to cron.`
`17:31.15`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10db/support/bzupdate.pl: mysqlconnect is in /etc/bzflag`
`17:37.47`	`brlcad`	`hmm, how long is that script supposed to take..`
`17:38.34`	`blast007`	`it connects to every server`
`17:38.48`	`bryjen`	`hopefully < 5 minutes ;) but maybe that was before there were 150 servers ;)`
`17:38.56`	`blast007`	`yeah :/`
`17:39.48`	`blast007`	`oh, I don't think it checks servers without players`
`17:41.23`	`blast007`	`yeah: next if ($numplayers == 0);`
`17:41.28`	`brlcad`	`there was a sleep at the end i missed`
`17:41.34`	`blast007`	`ah`
`17:42.46`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10db/support/bzupdate.pl: gah, don't sleep since we're not looping any more`
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`17:44.52`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`17:45.16`	`blast007`	`JeffM2501: you could try the strayer.de one`
`17:47.37`	`JeffM2501`	`mehh`
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`18:22.31`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10db/support/bzupdate.pl: quell the warning about uninitialized shift value, let any parameter denote debug`
`18:22.51`	`brlcad`	`heh jeff`
`18:23.43`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx HUDRenderer.h playing.cxx):`
`18:23.43`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: make waypoint makers genric`
`18:23.43`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: add waypoint markers for team flags and antidote`
`18:23.43`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: add waypoint markers for hunted.`
`18:23.43`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: add compas heading markers for flags and antidotes.`
`18:26.35`	`brlcad`	`blast007: should be updating now on the 5 via cron, let me know if it looks like it's not`
`18:27.07`	`blast007`	`k`
`18:27.23`	`brlcad`	`woot, 2.5 Mbit sustained output right now for several hours`
`18:28.05`	`brlcad`	`(backups dumping offsite)`
`18:28.12`	`blast007`	`:)`
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`18:30.52`	`brlcad`	`heh, and that was only because of a bwlimit parameter`
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`18:37.23`	`brlcad`	`howdy FantaZee`
`18:37.31`	`FantaZee`	`hi`
`18:37.49`	`SportyGal`	`hi fantazee!`
`18:38.01`	`Birdie`	`hello great fanta`
`18:38.02`	`RedBaron2`	`hey fanta :)`
`18:38.35`	`FantaZee`	`:-)`
`18:41.37`	`Blue_Eyes`	`hey fantabrother`
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`19:05.49`	`rhinome`	`burgerman welcome`
`19:05.57`	`Burgerman`	`hi`
`19:05.58`	`rhinome`	`talk to jeffm with your problem`
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`19:06.21`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+v _Manu_] by ChanServ`
`19:06.49`	`Burgerman`	`Was on ducati-style.bzflag.org and had very strange results`
`19:07.15`	`QuantumBeep`	`Ducati is just like that...`
`19:07.41`	`rhinome`	`his tank was very fast.`
`19:07.42`	`Burgerman`	`I'm running the latest flag on a high end pc. everyone in the game said I was five times faster than everyone else. shot reload was wuicker too`
`19:07.46`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+v orchid] by ChanServ`
`19:08.24`	`Burgerman`	`I dont have the problem else ware`
`19:08.33`	`CBG`	`Where did you get your client, Burgerman?`
`19:08.48`	`Burgerman`	`bzflag.org`
`19:09.18`	`Mr_Molez`	`Burgerman: only that server :O ? can you try port 5156 on the same server ?`
`19:09.33`	`Burgerman`	`will do`
`19:10.06`	`Burgerman`	`still the same`
`19:10.10`	`Mr_Molez`	`hmm`
`19:10.14`	`Mr_Molez`	`and port 59996 ?`
`19:10.40`	`Burgerman`	`same`
`19:10.48`	`Mr_Molez`	`and it does it on no other servers ?`
`19:11.08`	`Burgerman`	`no. I play lous lasermania all of time with no probs`
`19:11.45`	`Mr_Molez`	`you got 2.0.6 ?`
`19:11.56`	`Burgerman`	`yep`
`19:12.04`	`Mr_Molez`	`did you compile it yourself ? or use the binary`
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`19:12.20`	`Burgerman`	`used the binary`
`19:12.42`	`Mr_Molez`	`linux /windows ?`
`19:13.16`	`Burgerman`	`windows the binary linux isn't out yet I think`
`19:13.31`	`Mr_Molez`	`hmm im using the windows binary aswell`
`19:13.47`	`Mr_Molez`	`have you set bzflag to a higher cpu priority or anything ?`
`19:13.49`	`blast007`	`some distros have a linux binary package out, I think debian does at least`
`19:14.06`	`blast007`	`Burgerman: so is that Windows XP then?`
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`19:14.39`	`Burgerman`	`Yeah XP on a dual athlon 64 and 256meg g-card.`
`19:16.52`	`Burgerman`	`It's now started on all servers now. urghhhhh !!!!!! time for a reboot. I'll let you guys know fo the outcome. Somethings gone pop somewhere`
`19:17.04`	`Mr_Molez`	`dual core bug or something :P ?`
`19:17.50`	`Burgerman`	`I'll put 2.0.4 on later to confirm`
`19:26.43`	`awelux__`	`A favorite server list would almost nullify the current dns problem`
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`19:35.25`	`Birdie`	`~orchid++`
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`19:50.04`	`SportyGal`	`question: is there a patch in cvs to fix the spawn bug?`
`19:51.17`	`ToughShooter`	`Yes it is as far as I know but SF anon CVS is not updated`
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`19:57.03`	`JeffM2501`	`man I'm still banned`
`19:57.37`	`_Manu_`	`where are you banned? :)`
`19:57.52`	`JeffM2501`	`freenode`
`19:58.56`	`_Manu_`	`I don't ask what did you do.. :)`
`19:59.08`	`JeffM2501`	`somone walked in on me and Lilo's sister`
`19:59.58`	`JeffM2501`	`j/k, they are having script kiddy filteringproblems`
`20:00.10`	`JeffM2501`	`and I'm in one of the subnets it seems`
`20:00.15`	`_Manu_`	`heh`
`20:00.17`	`JeffM2501`	`so webchat it is then`
`20:09.16`	`bryjen`	`odd`
`20:09.51`	`bryjen`	`http://bryjen.bzflag.org/playsideways.png`
`20:10.25`	`bryjen`	`JeffM2501 is only halfway to turning the bzflag world upside-down`
`20:10.29`	`bryjen`	`;)`
`20:10.29`	`Birdie`	`i hope you dont play with such radar?:)`
`20:10.47`	`JeffM2501`	`how'd you get it like that?`
`20:11.02`	`bryjen`	`i donno. build, run, spawn, oh my`
`20:11.05`	`ToughShooter`	`Arg, that hud looks ugly, too :/`
`20:11.15`	`JeffM2501`	`I think I know what it is, one sec`
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`20:11.44`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm no it pops them all`
`20:11.48`	`JeffM2501`	`wonder if that didn't make the commit`
`20:13.18`	`JeffM2501`	`could be busted`
`20:13.21`	`JeffM2501`	`I haven't tested here`
`20:13.40`	`JeffM2501`	`I did add some rots,`
`20:13.49`	`JeffM2501`	`but I thought they were all in push and pop pairs`
`20:13.56`	`JeffM2501`	`nope found it`
`20:14.21`	`JeffM2501`	`or nope, didn't find it :)`
`20:14.35`	`JeffM2501`	`I hate complex matrix stacks`
`20:15.07`	`JeffM2501`	`is it good if you go to high instead of expermental?`
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`20:18.54`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: one more pop then push == badness`
`20:19.10`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh your in CTF`
`20:19.13`	`JeffM2501`	`that is why`
`20:19.18`	`JeffM2501`	`you had a flag marker`
`20:19.32`	`JeffM2501`	`that commit should fix it`
`20:23.16`	`bryjen`	`starting in experimental get upside down, or on side, high works OK`
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`20:23.35`	`bryjen`	`bah`
`20:23.37`	`JeffM2501`	`hate....web....irc.....`
`20:24.02`	`JBdiGriz`	`JeffM2501: You could always return to the dark side.`
`20:25.30`	`menotume`	`SportChick: WHICH spawn bug ?`
`20:25.41`	`SportyGal`	`menotume: the one in 2.0.6`
`20:25.54`	`menotume`	`yes, fixed in cvs`
`20:26.03`	`SportyGal`	`at the very least it's a problem with the proximity check - though i heard it had something to do with inaccurate player count`
`20:26.07`	`menotume`	`about a week ago or so`
`20:26.08`	`SportyGal`	`and menotume, btw, hi`
`20:26.11`	`SportyGal`	`menotume: ok, ty`
`20:26.15`	`menotume`	`hi :)`
`20:26.17`	`SportyGal`	`catay was asking`
`20:26.22`	`menotume`	`correct on both points`
`20:26.31`	`SportyGal`	`menotume: got a few moments for a pm?`
`20:26.40`	`menotume`	`bad playter count caused a lack of proximity checking`
`20:26.46`	`menotume`	`a few, yes`
`20:26.48`	`SportyGal`	`see? I DO listen :)`
`20:27.18`	`JeffM2501`	`jbdigriz, what one? there are so many`
`20:28.06`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen: that last commit should fix the problem if not let me know and I'll config up a CTF later and see`
`20:28.33`	`JBdiGriz`	`JeffM2501: SBC beckons you`
`20:28.44`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm at work`
`20:28.58`	`JeffM2501`	`its the work Ips that were blocked`
`20:29.12`	`JeffM2501`	`big ol chunk of global crossing's ones`
`20:29.18`	`JBdiGriz`	`Your work ISP was banned from freenode. Are you sure that the admins didn't shut off access?`
`20:29.30`	`JeffM2501`	`I am the admins :)`
`20:29.47`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah the message is from freenode about there filtering to block kiddies`
`20:29.57`	`JBdiGriz`	`Make sure you're not sleep-walking/sleep-adminning`
`20:30.00`	`JeffM2501`	`and that they are geting legit people in the process, but they have to stop it`
`20:30.33`	`JeffM2501`	`they've done it during big atacks in the past`
`20:31.11`	`JeffM2501`	`if I realy wanted to I could swap to a ssh tem and run command line IRC from a nixe somewhere`
`20:31.13`	`eXtreme`	`JeffM2501: I got banned twice today, same reason`
`20:31.14`	`bryjen`	`JeffM2501: yes, no more rotated view. nice out-the-window marker for team flag. the compass marker doesn't seem to be moving tho, stays near the top even as I turn all the way around`
`20:31.44`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen: ok, I haven't tested compas markers on team flags yet, so they may be busted`
`20:31.52`	`JeffM2501`	`feel free to poke around and fix it if you want :)`
`20:32.08`	`JeffM2501`	`renderSight in hudRendrer`
`20:33.30`	`JeffM2501`	`ohh it's not reltive`
`20:33.43`	`JeffM2501`	`hm.....`
`20:35.10`	`JeffM2501`	`go into HUDRenderer.cxx: line 1525 and add heading before the markers[i].heading part`
`20:35.13`	`JeffM2501`	`inside the rotate`
`20:35.19`	`JeffM2501`	`if you want to`
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`20:46.10`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx:`
`20:46.10`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: fix compas markers to be relitive to the tank.`
`20:46.11`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: make flag markers be at the top of the flag, not the middle`
`20:46.22`	`JeffM2501`	`there`
`20:48.54`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx:`
`20:48.54`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: fix compas markers to be relitive to the tank.`
`20:48.54`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: make flag markers be at the top of the flag, not the middle`
`20:51.44`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: I made it only twice a day now, noon and midnight on the 50`
`20:53.20`	`Mr_Molez`	`me 2 !`
`20:54.12`	`CBG`	`It had better be, else cheat clients will be spawning (heh) all over the place.`
`20:54.57`	`JBdiGriz`	`They already are. There have been several posted already.`
`20:55.51`	`CBG`	`I have no C++ knowledge and even I made an invincible client. :\|`
`20:56.21`	`brlcad`	`none of us ever said it was the least bit hard to do`
`20:56.45`	`brlcad`	`which is why it's not in the least bit impressive`
`20:56.58`	`CBG`	`I didn't say anyone did say that, i'm just really hoping that it's all gonna be server side soon. :)`
`20:57.51`	`bryjen`	`these problems may not be completely solved by code. there are social measures like good admins...`
`20:58.05`	`bryjen`	`and that metal rod brlcad mentioned the other day ;)`
`20:59.13`	`yummy`	`'lo .... i will expose a problem i have with bz client for some hints . will be quite long to explain all though`
`20:59.20`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`20:59.24`	`JBdiGriz`	`The problems won't be solved by code, but we can use code to assist the admins in detecting the problems.`
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`21:00.01`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: you could use irssi on .bz`
`21:01.25`	`bryjen`	`yeay for floaty triangles on the HUD!`
`21:01.39`	`yummy`	`since 2 days (when bz domain changed) i can't play anymore. i have tried from my LAN with both win$ and osx release. same problem that is when i log onto a server a have the server greetings message ... i have "press q to start" . and that's all. i can't spawn .. even as obs .. then if i wait too much in that state bz hang (even radar zoom does not react) and i must kill to exit`
`21:02.41`	`yummy`	`whatever server ... even typing location server manually`
`21:03.15`	`yummy`	`want to ask before even thinking to ask to my isp`
`21:03.23`	`brlcad`	`yummy: can you ping bzflag.bz`
`21:03.46`	`yummy`	`yep at 150ms`
`21:04.32`	`brlcad`	`what's your nslookup of my.bzflag.org?`
`21:05.22`	`yummy`	`Name: bzflag.bz`
`21:05.22`	`yummy`	`Address: 66.111.56.50`
`21:05.38`	`yummy`	`oops`
`21:05.48`	`yummy`	`sry .. it's .org you request`
`21:05.59`	`brlcad`	`specifically my.bzflag.org`
`21:06.02`	`yummy`	`Name: bzflag.org`
`21:06.02`	`yummy`	`Address: 66.35.250.210`
`21:06.29`	`brlcad`	`that's still not right`
`21:06.48`	`brlcad`	`MY.bzflag.org`
`21:07.13`	`yummy`	`Name: my.bzflag.org`
`21:07.14`	`yummy`	`Address: 66.111.56.50`
`21:07.22`	`yummy`	`im eyes closed tonight ;)`
`21:07.54`	`brlcad`	`grep list ~/.bzf/config`
`21:08.08`	`brlcad`	`or wherever your config is`
`21:09.12`	`yummy`	`#set list http://my.BZFlag.org/db/`
`21:09.22`	`yummy`	`its commented out`
`21:09.25`	`brlcad`	`yep`
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`21:12.08`	`yummy`	`can i force TCP ... to test (if so how?)`
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`21:16.14`	`brlcad`	`can you get the server list?`
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`21:17.10`	`yummy`	`if you mean click on find server .. yes i have 111 right now`
`21:17.29`	`brlcad`	`so you have no trouble talking to the list server then`
`21:17.39`	`yummy`	`semms not`
`21:17.44`	`yummy`	`seems*`
`21:18.46`	`brlcad`	`I can't imagine what the problem is then`
`21:19.11`	`brlcad`	`you should test with a server op to see what the connection log shows`
`21:19.19`	`brlcad`	`(4th debug level)`
`21:19.40`	`yummy`	`ok .. will do so . thx`
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`21:20.13`	`brlcad`	`also see if it's specific to certain servers and not others`
`21:21.53`	`newbie_dont`	`Hi, I' d like to start writing a site with functionality similar to http://fortix.bzflag.org/list.php`
`21:22.04`	`newbie_dont`	`It will be my exercise in Ruby :)`
`21:22.21`	`newbie_dont`	`Where can i obtain information about servers and players on them?`
`21:23.43`	`newbie_dont`	`I' ve found http://my.bzflag.org/db but it seems a bit unclear to me`
`21:24.21`	`yummy`	`brlcad: ok ... i have a couple of more tests. if all failed then i will wait 1-2 days ... then check with my isp . thx`
`21:30.04`	`newbie_dont`	`Maybe you could point me to some class in source code of bzflag`
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`22:15.21`	`CBG`	`bzbb just went poof, it seems.`
`22:16.13`	`*** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=d030c7dd@bz.bzflag.bz)`
`22:16.24`	`JeffM2501`	`and stll banned`
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`22:18.54`	`bryjen`	`eep. poof inded`
`22:19.04`	`bryjen`	`s/inded/indeed/`
`22:20.31`	`bryjen`	`stats and db (listserver) still work`
`22:21.03`	`CBG`	`I guess someone if doing _something_ to it...`
`22:21.17`	`CBG`	`is* doing.`
`22:21.28`	`bryjen`	`as long as it's not DTRemenak trying to tar it ;)`
`22:21.43`	`CBG`	`hehe :)`
`22:22.18`	`DTRemenak`	`huhwhat?`
`22:23.14`	`bryjen`	`ping brlcad`
`22:23.16`	`CBG`	`bryjen: seems like our lucky day... ;)`
`22:24.35`	`bryjen`	`or perhaps DTR, the bb is complaining it can't connect to it's database`
`22:25.21`	`DTRemenak`	`oh? that's odd`
`22:25.33`	`DTRemenak`	`huh, it is`
`22:26.51`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen: did the hud marker fix work for you?`
`22:28.02`	`bryjen`	`yes`
`22:28.04`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
`22:28.10`	`JeffM2501`	`are the radial ones too big?`
`22:28.50`	`bryjen`	`the left/right for when it's out of view seems to get confused as which way to point`
`22:28.57`	`JeffM2501`	`it does`
`22:28.59`	`JeffM2501`	`that's a bug`
`22:29.04`	`bryjen`	`or maybe somethings backwards somewhere`
`22:29.15`	`JeffM2501`	`the projection code don't know when it's behind you`
`22:29.24`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah maybe`
`22:29.32`	`JeffM2501`	`or maybe do one on each side :)`
`22:29.44`	`bryjen`	`and up and down too then :P`
`22:30.00`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`22:30.11`	`JeffM2501`	`that could be too much`
`22:30.11`	`brlcad`	`huh?`
`22:30.20`	`JeffM2501`	`well it can be played with`
`22:30.48`	`JeffM2501`	`it should do an on screen marker for your hunt target too`
`22:31.08`	`*** part/#bzflag Constitution (n=Constitu@mmds-216-19-24-101.mm.az.commspeed.net)`
`22:31.17`	`bryjen`	`yeah, saw the hunt one. does that show for ST tanks behind objects? :)`
`22:31.39`	`JeffM2501`	`shoudn't`
`22:31.40`	`bryjen`	`the flag marker on the compass is a bit "fat"`
`22:31.47`	`JeffM2501`	`I think I had it check for ST`
`22:31.50`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`22:31.57`	`brlcad`	`odd that bzfls could connect to the db but bb couldn't?`
`22:32.12`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm gonna put all the sizes in bzdb so they can be set`
`22:32.13`	`bryjen`	`I was playing with -solo robots`
`22:32.28`	`brlcad`	`restarting mysql restored it`
`22:32.58`	`bryjen`	`and listening to this old matrox agp video card weep ;)`
`22:33.03`	`JeffM2501`	`I just looked, I put it in the code that says "spotted" and it already checked for stealth`
`22:33.06`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`22:33.11`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen: fire the laser ;)`
`22:33.21`	`bryjen`	`oh my`
`22:33.36`	`JeffM2501`	`that should add some strain to the GPU`
`22:33.38`	`blast007`	`brlcad: the bzfls using persistent connections, so that's probably the difference compared to the forum`
`22:33.54`	`JeffM2501`	`oddly the new laser ended up looking like a light saber`
`22:33.59`	`brlcad`	`blast007: ah, true dat`
`22:34.22`	`blast007`	`might need a mysql_ping() in there somewhere to verify the connection is still there`
`22:34.28`	`blast007`	`and if not, force a reconnect`
`22:35.16`	`bryjen`	`nope. a solid 13 fps geolaser or no @ 1024x768 windowed`
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`22:36.20`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
`22:36.28`	`JeffM2501`	`rico?`
`22:36.51`	`bryjen`	`yes`
`22:36.54`	`JeffM2501`	`laser with rico can add a couple 1000 more triangles to the thing`
`22:37.03`	`JeffM2501`	`for some maps that may be more then the map :)`
`22:38.44`	`JeffM2501`	`I should set up a server somewhere public soon`
`22:40.16`	`brlcad`	`purple_cow: so how come parallels beat vmware to the intel mac? :)`
`22:41.29`	`brlcad`	`scanline's clearly not pulling his weight.. ahem`
`22:42.00`	`JeffM2501`	`and 98lbs isn't hard to pull ;)`
`22:42.06`	`brlcad`	`hehe`
`22:44.13`	`blast007`	`JeffM2501: hehe, the geolaser brought my i855 to it's knees :)`
`22:44.28`	`JeffM2501`	`sweet`
`22:44.31`	`blast007`	`went from 42FPS to 3FPS with 10 of the on the screen`
`22:44.31`	`JeffM2501`	`that's it's primary job`
`22:44.35`	`JeffM2501`	`to kill onboard video`
`22:44.36`	`blast007`	`without rico`
`22:44.40`	`JeffM2501`	`:)`
`22:44.44`	`blast007`	`:)`
`22:44.49`	`JeffM2501`	`"take this transform pipeline!"`
`22:45.06`	`blast007`	`I show try out the vanta chuckle`
`22:45.10`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`22:45.29`	`JeffM2501`	`actualy it's probably the blending`
`22:45.34`	`JeffM2501`	`it always does blending`
`22:45.38`	`JeffM2501`	`even if you say don't :)`
`22:46.12`	`JeffM2501`	`my plan is to make experemental a top level choice, when you pick it, it picks all the others and you can't set them`
`22:46.18`	`blast007`	`I was running at 1024x768x16`
`22:46.25`	`JeffM2501`	`expremental with no textures, makes no sense`
`22:46.25`	`blast007`	`debug build too`
`22:46.42`	`blast007`	`yeah`
`22:46.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm also going to simplify some of the stuff`
`22:46.58`	`JeffM2501`	`like the textures`
`22:47.13`	`JeffM2501`	`make em just, low, med, and high`
`22:47.25`	`JeffM2501`	`or bad, meh, and ok`
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`22:50.56`	`JeffM2501`	`yay for the 50`
`22:51.03`	`blast007`	`:)`
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`23:34.01`	`Theme97`	`Er, hello.`
`23:34.19`	`Theme97`	`I found a couple of bugs in the API and SF.net is down, so...`
`23:34.39`	`Theme97`	`Can anyone help me out?`
`23:35.08`	`JeffM2501`	`what bugs?`
`23:35.20`	`A_Meteorite`	`API question...`
`23:35.26`	`Theme97`	`bz_killPlayer's spawnOnBase parameter works as it should, unless the player has not spawned and therefore he can't be killed.`
`23:35.31`	`Theme97`	`In that case, he isn't forced to spawn on the base.`
`23:35.56`	`Theme97`	`But I want him to....`
`23:35.59`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah that's a general game bug`
`23:36.09`	`Theme97`	`Is it going to be fixed sometime soon?`
`23:36.09`	`A_Meteorite`	`How can I find the "absolute" score of a player? I see bz_PlayerRecord contains wins, losses, and teamKills.`
`23:36.14`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe in 2.2`
`23:36.19`	`Theme97`	`Wins - losses - teamKills?`
`23:36.22`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite: add it up`
`23:36.25`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`23:36.26`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh`
`23:36.29`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok :)`
`23:36.31`	`JeffM2501`	`bz dosn't keep a score number`
`23:36.35`	`A_Meteorite`	`I see`
`23:37.23`	`A_Meteorite`	`So -tk doesn't effect it?`
`23:37.28`	`JeffM2501`	`I dono`
`23:37.34`	`A_Meteorite`	`I can't remember when you kill another if you lose score`
`23:37.39`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh, I'll have to test that :)`
`23:37.39`	`JeffM2501`	`test and see :)`
`23:41.13`	`JeffM2501`	`Theme97: we'll have to change the way the spawn onbase works to fix the bug, we'll have to just flag each tank as doing it's next spawn on base`
`23:41.19`	`JeffM2501`	`instead of just forcing all the spawns`
`23:41.55`	`A_Meteorite`	`yup, you lose a point :D`
`23:42.07`	`JeffM2501`	`so add it up`
`23:43.49`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx defaultBZDB.cxx):`
`23:43.49`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: move hud ring size to it's own bzdb var`
`23:43.49`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: add bzdb items for the hud marker sizes`
`23:45.09`	`*** join/#bzflag S1gn (n=corwin@bzq-88-152-133-134.red.bezeqint.net)`
`23:45.22`	`S1gn`	`hi`
`23:45.36`	`JeffM2501`	`hello`
`23:45.54`	`A_Meteorite`	`greets`
`23:46.34`	`S1gn`	`sometimes during game everything (exept mouse pointer) just freezes for 1-2-3 secs. what can it be?`
`23:47.13`	`Theme97`	`is bz_sendPlayCustomLocalSound glitchy? it's commented out in the playHistoryTracker plugin.`
`23:47.17`	`S1gn`	`it happens once in 5 mins appr.`
`23:47.33`	`blast007`	`Theme97: it crashes clients last I checked :)`
`23:47.37`	`Theme97`	`Aww.`
`23:47.48`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh`
`23:48.00`	`blast007`	`not even sure if it's in the current API`
`23:48.08`	`Theme97`	`IT is.`
`23:48.14`	`Theme97`	`BZF_API bool bz_sendPlayCustomLocalSound ( int playerID, const char* soundName );`
`23:48.22`	`JeffM2501`	`Theme97: yeah it's kinda buggy`
`23:48.23`	`blast007`	`k`
`23:48.29`	`JeffM2501`	`it can crash some old clients`
`23:48.58`	`JeffM2501`	`it should be fully working for 2.2`
`23:49.08`	`JeffM2501`	`since all cleints will support the message it makes`
`23:49.19`	`A_Meteorite`	`Does lag in bz_PlayerRecord just contain their general lag? or jitter and packet loss too?`
`23:49.31`	`blast007`	`just lag`
`23:49.38`	`JeffM2501`	`it's probably what ever is stored in the player`
`23:49.44`	`blast007`	`jitter and packet loss aren't in the API`
`23:49.44`	`A_Meteorite`	`aw`
`23:49.54`	`A_Meteorite`	`Where can I add jitter and packet loss? :)`
`23:50.04`	`JeffM2501`	`S1gn: probably something else on your PC taking up time`
`23:50.16`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite: add? like to the structure?`
`23:50.20`	`A_Meteorite`	`Yes`
`23:50.30`	`blast007`	`in the bz_PlayerRecord and in the locations that create the bz_PlayerRecord, but it will have to bump the API version`
`23:50.30`	`JeffM2501`	`that means changing the API version`
`23:50.33`	`S1gn`	`hmm.. don't think`
`23:51.02`	`JeffM2501`	`S1gn: you have a virus scanner? or run an IM client or anything like that?`
`23:51.26`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite: easyer to just make a function to get them`
`23:51.28`	`A_Meteorite`	`blast007 and JeffM2501: Where would I add this functionality?`
`23:51.29`	`JeffM2501`	`from a playerID`
`23:51.31`	`S1gn`	`yes, jabber client, so what?`
`23:51.33`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh`
`23:51.41`	`JeffM2501`	`S1gn: that can take up time and bandwith`
`23:51.55`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite: it' going to be just your own version, so where ever you want`
`23:52.03`	`A_Meteorite`	`ah ok`
`23:52.11`	`JeffM2501`	`the API for 2.0.x is done`
`23:52.14`	`JeffM2501`	`no more changes`
`23:52.21`	`JeffM2501`	`so what ever you do is for you`
`23:52.33`	`A_Meteorite`	`well, I can always submit it as a patch :)`
`23:52.36`	`A_Meteorite`	`for 2.1`
`23:52.43`	`JeffM2501`	`2.1 does the structures totaly difrent`
`23:52.46`	`S1gn`	`JeffM2501: but I can see if it takes cpu/bandw`
`23:52.48`	`JeffM2501`	`your patch would be invalid`
`23:52.48`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh..`
`23:53.01`	`JeffM2501`	`S1gn: ok then see what is taking your cpu time :)`
`23:53.02`	`A_Meteorite`	`Um, so this plugin would not work? I would have to totally re-do it?`
`23:53.07`	`A_Meteorite`	`yeekers`
`23:53.16`	`JeffM2501`	`oh yeah, much of the API is changing for 2.1`
`23:53.16`	`S1gn`	`JeffM2501 nothing :-)`
`23:53.24`	`JeffM2501`	`S1gn: something has to be`
`23:53.32`	`A_Meteorite`	`sigh I'll have to keep up with 2.1 dev to edit my plugin as it goes`
`23:53.37`	`Theme97`	`Uh, by much of the API, you mean everyone is going to have to change their plugins?`
`23:53.38`	`JeffM2501`	`ether that or you have a GL driver stall or something`
`23:53.43`	`blast007`	`S1gn: is this a laptop?`
`23:53.47`	`JeffM2501`	`yes all plugins will have to change`
`23:53.51`	`Theme97`	`Nooo!!!`
`23:53.55`	`JeffM2501`	`Yessss!`
`23:53.59`	`Theme97`	`Oh well.`
`23:54.02`	`S1gn`	`nope, desktop with gentoo linux`
`23:54.04`	`Theme97`	`It should be more fun to play with!`
`23:54.04`	`JeffM2501`	`but then they will be more future proof`
`23:54.10`	`blast007`	`hmm`
`23:54.12`	`A_Meteorite`	`I hope it adds all we want`
`23:54.14`	`Theme97`	`And will fix the spawnOnBase bug!`
`23:54.24`	`A_Meteorite`	`Will we have access to changing stuff that only bzfs mods could previously do?`
`23:54.28`	`JeffM2501`	`it uses derived structures, so old plugins will work in new API versions`
`23:54.33`	`A_Meteorite`	`ahh`
`23:54.35`	`A_Meteorite`	`good`
`23:54.39`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite: depends on how much gets done`
`23:54.45`	`JeffM2501`	`the new API is not magic`
`23:54.50`	`JeffM2501`	`it's just cleaned up a bit`
`23:54.54`	`JeffM2501`	`after seeing how people use it`
`23:55.05`	`A_Meteorite`	`I see`
`23:55.09`	`S1gn`	`it never happened before`
`23:55.12`	`JeffM2501`	`the API version number is changing meaning`
`23:55.16`	`S1gn`	`before 2.0.6`
`23:55.18`	`A_Meteorite`	`(I wish sometimes we could just go "Presto!")`
`23:55.25`	`JeffM2501`	`S1gn: it could be DNS`
`23:55.30`	`JeffM2501`	`is your libcurl built with ares?`
`23:55.43`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite: you shoudl be a VB programer`
`23:55.46`	`Theme97`	`Yay!`
`23:55.47`	`Theme97`	`Go VB!!!`
`23:55.50`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`23:56.04`	`JeffM2501`	`the API version will mean the minimum version of the API that the plugin expects`
`23:56.05`	`S1gn`	`hmm... I have caching dns server here... and libcurl... I don't think so`
`23:56.09`	`JeffM2501`	`no longer the ONLY one it works in`
`23:56.20`	`Theme97`	`I taught myself all of these languages. I learned my BZ-C++ from many sources. :D`
`23:56.28`	`JeffM2501`	`S1gn: dono what else to tell you`
`23:56.32`	`Theme97`	`Thanks to most of L4m3r's plugins.`
`23:56.44`	`JeffM2501`	`Theme97: then I'm very sorry for you`
`23:56.56`	`Theme97`	`Uh...?`
`23:57.02`	`Theme97`	`I'm missing a lot of stuff by that, aren't I?`
`23:57.06`	`JeffM2501`	`bz code == no the best example :)`
`23:57.14`	`Theme97`	`I should go get my C++ book.`
`23:57.31`	`Theme97`	`It's 5 feet away, but being lazy, I can just learn from bz code.`
`23:57.39`	`CBG`	`I'm learning C++ from the 2.0.6 source.`
`23:57.46`	`S1gn`	`it uses dns during the game?`
`23:57.57`	`A_Meteorite`	`woah`
`23:58.01`	`Theme97`	`Woah?`
`23:58.09`	`A_Meteorite`	`so... then using an IP address would be less overhead because of no DNS?`
`23:58.20`	`A_Meteorite`	`(that at least makes SENSE)`
`23:59.01`	`S1gn`	`should I rebuild curl with USE="ares"`
`23:59.10`	`JeffM2501`	`could try`
`23:59.19`	`JeffM2501`	`it's hard to say`
`23:59.19`	`S1gn`	`will do`
`23:59.31`	`JeffM2501`	`I know we don't have any code that just says "lock up for a bit" in bzflag`
`23:59.46`	`S1gn`	`:-)`
`23:59.53`	`JeffM2501`	`so it's probably something else`

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