| 00:00.04 | shorty114 | ~nickometer L4m3r |
| 00:00.09 | QBeep | ~karma QBeep |
| 00:00.09 | ibot | qbeep has neutral karma |
| 00:00.21 | L4m3r | only 28%? |
| 00:00.22 | QBeep | ~nickometer QBeep |
| 00:00.29 | QBeep | Nice |
| 00:00.30 | CBG | #botpark please... |
| 00:00.39 | CBG | or #KAS if you like. |
| 00:01.56 | Mr_Molez | mine is 0% lame :) |
| 00:06.01 | JeffM2501 | whoa... that started some bot abbue |
| 00:06.37 | blast007 | it always does |
| 00:06.49 | blast007 | people forget the bot exists, until they see a command ;) |
| 00:06.59 | JeffM2501 | bot groupies |
| 00:07.40 | blast007 | do we need the KRB5 configurations for the VC7.1 project files in HEAD? |
| 00:07.55 | JeffM2501 | somehow I think.. no |
| 00:07.59 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:08.09 | blast007 | I'm cleaning the project files up |
| 00:08.32 | JeffM2501 | coo |
| 00:08.33 | blast007 | they keep project configs in the prj files even when you remove them |
| 00:08.40 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 00:08.44 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:10.52 | romfis | Jeff ? |
| 00:10.57 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:11.07 | romfis | that better ? http://www.bzflag.at/zeugs/icons/bzflag_v2_lightblue.png |
| 00:11.17 | JeffM2501 | ooo very nice |
| 00:11.37 | romfis | http://www.bzflag.at/zeugs/icons/bzflag_v2_blue.ico |
| 00:11.42 | romfis | ops |
| 00:11.57 | romfis | not right url |
| 00:11.59 | JeffM2501 | I found it |
| 00:12.05 | JeffM2501 | lightblue.ico :) |
| 00:12.31 | romfis | http://www.bzflag.at/zeugs/icons/bzflag_v2_lightblue.ico |
| 00:12.33 | romfis | that |
| 00:12.36 | romfis | yes ;) |
| 00:13.14 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:13.25 | JeffM2501 | it's the new favicon on the site |
| 00:13.52 | romfis | what for site ? |
| 00:14.19 | JeffM2501 | www.bzflag.org |
| 00:14.27 | romfis | oh! |
| 00:14.29 | romfis | ;) |
| 00:15.10 | blast007 | this one is lighter a bit, easier to see |
| 00:15.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:15.21 | DTRemenak | looks like a fisher-price tank :S |
| 00:15.32 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:15.36 | JeffM2501 | my first tank |
| 00:16.15 | shorty114 | the rest of the website doesn't have the fancy style... |
| 00:16.16 | romfis | the 16 color ICONs is normal Blue color |
| 00:16.24 | shorty114 | nvm |
| 00:16.27 | shorty114 | only the downloads section |
| 00:16.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:16.38 | JeffM2501 | I haven't figured out how to update the wiki stuff yet |
| 00:16.43 | JeffM2501 | so any wiki based page isn't set |
| 00:16.49 | blast007 | I don't like that wiki |
| 00:16.55 | JeffM2501 | noone does |
| 00:16.58 | romfis | on my site is the red icon as favicon ;) |
| 00:17.07 | blast007 | heck, we could do our own wiki :P |
| 00:17.12 | JeffM2501 | that's why I'm hoping it gets replaced before I have to redo it :) |
| 00:17.13 | blast007 | tie to to global login database |
| 00:17.18 | JeffM2501 | blast007, dude, do it |
| 00:17.22 | blast007 | there's a PEAR package for wiki formatting even |
| 00:17.38 | JeffM2501 | tupone likes wikimedia |
| 00:17.39 | shorty114 | should make a new bzwiki branch o.o |
| 00:17.50 | shorty114 | wikimedia's kinda heavyweight |
| 00:17.54 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:17.57 | JeffM2501 | but robust |
| 00:18.02 | shorty114 | and from what i've heard templates/themes are a pain in the butt |
| 00:18.04 | blast007 | the versioning is nice |
| 00:18.13 | blast007 | you can revert if someone screws up your wiki |
| 00:18.21 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:18.33 | blast007 | it can even do diffs |
| 00:18.36 | JeffM2501 | I feel we need, real logins, history, and all that |
| 00:18.40 | shorty114 | yeah it's got some great features |
| 00:18.45 | JeffM2501 | then we can use the wiki for dev planing |
| 00:19.01 | JeffM2501 | we also need to be able to restrict editing some pages to some groups |
| 00:19.06 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:19.08 | JeffM2501 | like devs only for dev pages |
| 00:19.14 | JeffM2501 | but still let users add comments |
| 00:19.17 | JeffM2501 | just not edit |
| 00:20.30 | shorty114 | you can probably do that |
| 00:20.45 | shorty114 | by comments you mean the :Talk page, right? |
| 00:21.30 | shorty114 | ~karma textpattern |
| 00:21.30 | ibot | textpattern has neutral karma |
| 00:21.51 | JeffM2501 | a talk page would be fine |
| 00:22.05 | shorty114 | yeah that's "commenting" in mediawiki |
| 00:22.58 | JeffM2501 | it's more then what we have now |
| 00:24.29 | shorty114 | yeah the MoinMoinWiki or whatever is a little lackign |
| 00:25.58 | shorty114 | has there been any talk of moving the BZFlag repos to SVN? |
| 00:26.41 | blast007 | this page of the Wiki is so unintuitive: http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/UserPreferences |
| 00:26.49 | shorty114 | yeah |
| 00:29.49 | JeffM2501 | blast007, and often it just dont' freaking work |
| 00:33.48 | Mr_Molez | what is this isnan stuff ? |
| 00:34.05 | JeffM2501 | isnan is a function |
| 00:34.12 | brlcad | or a macro |
| 00:34.16 | JeffM2501 | that some OSs define in a difrent way |
| 00:34.19 | JeffM2501 | yes or a macro |
| 00:34.24 | Mr_Molez | k thnx |
| 00:34.38 | JeffM2501 | basicly some OSs define it difrently so we have to compinsate for it |
| 00:35.18 | Mr_Molez | what was that needed for ? |
| 00:35.39 | JeffM2501 | when we make sure a number is valid before we do math on it |
| 00:35.52 | brlcad | blue? |
| 00:35.52 | JeffM2501 | it tells us if the value is "not a number" aka NAN |
| 00:36.17 | Mr_Molez | k thnx |
| 00:36.25 | JeffM2501 | who's buging you about it? |
| 00:36.27 | JeffM2501 | binary? |
| 00:36.37 | Mr_Molez | yeh |
| 00:36.43 | Mr_Molez | well not bugging i asked |
| 00:37.23 | brlcad | needs to be lighter still too |
| 00:37.24 | JeffM2501 | any color would be fine |
| 00:38.03 | a-delusion | someone posted a way around the isnan compiling thing on the cvs forum, in a thread started by quicktim |
| 00:38.17 | Mr_Molez | a-delusion: thanks |
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| 01:01.06 | shorty114 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7386 i think |
| 01:01.15 | shorty114 | but you've probably already found it |
| 01:04.38 | shorty114 | a question about bzadmin on windows (xp at least)... |
| 01:04.49 | shorty114 | shouldn't the password for the callsign be blanked out? |
| 01:04.53 | shorty114 | e.g. ssh-style? |
| 01:06.09 | blast007 | it should be, but it's not :) |
| 01:06.12 | brad2901 | not just windows.. password is shown on all OSs |
| 01:06.13 | blast007 | ~pw |
| 01:06.14 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 01:06.15 | DTRemenak | patches welcome |
| 01:06.20 | DTRemenak | aw, he beat me to it |
| 01:06.22 | blast007 | ;D |
| 01:07.05 | blast007 | I might play with that after I verify that curses is working with 2.1 VC7.1 builds |
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| 01:10.37 | CBG | Ugh. I registered a brand new inbox.com email address yesterday and now I'm trying to update my bzbb profile. It tells me "Sorry, but this e-mail address has been banned."... Are all .inbox.com email addresses banned? o.O |
| 01:12.12 | lan56 | you slept wrong on your right eye huh? :) |
| 01:12.32 | blast007 | lol |
| 01:12.38 | JeffM2501 | CBG, probably |
| 01:12.46 | JeffM2501 | it's a common spammer email |
| 01:12.48 | JeffM2501 | let me check |
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| 01:12.52 | shorty114 | yeah it's free |
| 01:12.54 | shorty114 | is hotmail banned too? |
| 01:12.58 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:13.00 | JeffM2501 | not many use that |
| 01:13.05 | QBeep | Omigod, Vader!!!!!!1 |
| 01:13.17 | I_Died_Once | beep, wassup man |
| 01:13.20 | JeffM2501 | I do not think your god has anything to do with vader |
| 01:13.22 | CBG | I thought hotmail would be more popular than inbox.com. |
| 01:13.34 | QBeep | Jeff, that is so not correct |
| 01:13.35 | I_Died_Once | beep, talk to me in #mofo |
| 01:13.41 | shorty114 | hahaha |
| 01:13.51 | CBG | JeffM2501: can you put my .inbox.com email address on a whitelist or something? |
| 01:13.58 | JeffM2501 | I removed the ban |
| 01:14.02 | JeffM2501 | there is no whitelist |
| 01:14.14 | CBG | Cheers. |
| 01:14.17 | shorty114 | CBG, get a gmail instead... |
| 01:14.26 | CBG | shorty114: I have one. |
| 01:14.35 | CBG | It's full of spam and... :/ |
| 01:14.36 | shorty114 | make a new one :) |
| 01:14.48 | CBG | Nah.. |
| 01:14.52 | blast007 | I have 4 :P |
| 01:14.54 | romfis | gn8 all! |
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| 01:14.58 | CBG | Then it wouldn't be the same. |
| 01:15.10 | shorty114 | ... and no idea what to do with thme :| |
| 01:15.16 | CBG | Me too. I could have loads, just don't want. |
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| 01:23.38 | CBG | uh oh... |
| 01:24.50 | L4m3r | so when will there be an x86 mac build? I want to test this thing |
| 01:25.02 | L4m3r | just so I know, no hurry :P |
| 01:25.16 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (11 files in 5 dirs): API change to start a recording, and a plugin to record matches |
| 01:25.23 | Mr_Molez | teheheh |
| 01:25.36 | JeffM2501 | but that's the only one I'm gonna do, and who cares if it's never released :) |
| 01:26.18 | Mr_Molez | not me ! :) |
| 01:26.42 | blast007 | L4m3r: can you build from the source tar? |
| 01:26.53 | L4m3r | don't think I have dev tools... |
| 01:26.57 | blast007 | ah |
| 01:27.17 | L4m3r | and don't know how well compilation will go on this thing :\ |
| 01:27.21 | JeffM2501 | your mac came with dev tools |
| 01:27.24 | JeffM2501 | on the DVD |
| 01:27.35 | L4m3r | who said I had a mac? |
| 01:27.39 | L4m3r | lol |
| 01:27.40 | a-delusion | let's see ...I still got my shipping box |
| 01:28.43 | JeffM2501 | you got OSX somehow |
| 01:28.45 | JBdiGriz | I could probably make an x86 mac build, but I can't test it. |
| 01:30.35 | trepan | his latest: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/loudesk.jpg |
| 01:31.02 | I_Died_Once | http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/software/os/0,39024180,39235916,00.htm |
| 01:31.15 | JBdiGriz | ~bzflist |
| 01:32.22 | JeffM2501 | well looks liek changing the timeout didn't work |
| 01:32.28 | blast007 | yeah :/ |
| 01:33.48 | blast007 | could it be a SYN flood, or is it just heavy use? |
| 01:34.38 | a-delusion | JBdiGriz If you make the build, We will test it or "Help Me Obi-Wan... You're My Only Hope! " Well, you and brlcad maybe |
| 01:35.02 | a-delusion | I still have not seen fog. |
| 01:35.18 | L4m3r | get a linux box you 'tard :P |
| 01:36.16 | L4m3r | and I'll look into building a client, but I doubt it'll work, and I'm a bit irked about sharing a client compiled on an AMD64 under OSX |
| 01:40.15 | brad2901 | JeffM2501: "+ plugins/recodmatch/Makefile" |
| 01:40.18 | brad2901 | typo |
| 01:40.52 | brad2901 | in configure.ac |
| 01:41.44 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 01:42.16 | JeffM2501 | how did you get it? anon back up? |
| 01:42.52 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/configure.ac: stupid... english.. language... |
| 01:43.10 | JeffM2501 | or commits mailing list? |
| 01:43.20 | brad2901 | mailing list |
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| 01:50.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/ (9 files in 2 dirs): API change to start a recording, and a plugin to record matches |
| 01:50.54 | bryjen | trepan: server crash? |
| 01:51.01 | trepan | dunno, don't run it |
| 01:52.50 | JeffM2501 | oh I haven't actualy tested it yet :) |
| 01:52.52 | bryjen | everyone went NR, and i couldn't reconnect |
| 01:54.18 | trepan | bryjen: seems to be working again |
| 01:54.28 | trepan | of course, you already knew that ;) |
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| 01:58.08 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, are you gonna do a 10.2 eventualy or are they SOL? |
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| 02:09.54 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/ (22 files): Remove Release_pdcurses and KRB5 configurations, add pdcurses to Debug/Release configurations, bzadmin post build event, clean up project files |
| 02:10.15 | JeffM2501 | why the bzadmin post build event? |
| 02:10.24 | blast007 | to copy bzadmin to the root of the source |
| 02:10.29 | JeffM2501 | hell yah |
| 02:10.30 | blast007 | like every other .exe does |
| 02:10.34 | JeffM2501 | ohh you added it |
| 02:10.35 | JeffM2501 | I got it |
| 02:10.36 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:10.37 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 02:10.37 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:10.38 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 02:10.49 | JeffM2501 | it was after all those removes.... |
| 02:11.14 | blast007 | that was a pain in the butt to clean the files |
| 02:11.26 | JeffM2501 | hmm do I put a radeon 9250 in the crap machine, or go get a GF 6200 for it |
| 02:11.32 | JeffM2501 | gotta love XML |
| 02:11.58 | blast007 | there was per-file configuration for the two KRB builds, and for the pdcurses build |
| 02:12.04 | blast007 | and they all had to be removed |
| 02:12.07 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 02:12.41 | JeffM2501 | oh wow 9250s suck |
| 02:12.45 | JeffM2501 | and suck hard |
| 02:12.49 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:13.32 | JeffM2501 | I was thinking if it was "close" to the performance of a 5750 then maybe |
| 02:13.37 | JeffM2501 | but oh god no |
| 02:13.44 | JeffM2501 | they rate slower then some MX cards |
| 02:13.48 | blast007 | wow |
| 02:14.05 | JeffM2501 | 62's are only 70$ |
| 02:14.19 | blast007 | PCIe? |
| 02:14.32 | JeffM2501 | AGP |
| 02:14.34 | blast007 | ah |
| 02:14.38 | JeffM2501 | it's just for a little semperon |
| 02:14.38 | blast007 | still better than mine |
| 02:14.46 | blast007 | i still have a PCI 5200 |
| 02:14.47 | JeffM2501 | for some reason it won't run the 5700 |
| 02:14.57 | JeffM2501 | even after I bumped up the powersupply |
| 02:15.03 | blast007 | hmm |
| 02:16.21 | JeffM2501 | time to go spend some money :) |
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| 02:20.01 | lan56 | I am so stupid, I forget entirely about bzadmin.dev having -lregex. and I realise -after- the release |
| 02:21.46 | lan56 | I guess it could be worse, bzflag.dev and bzfs.dev could have had the same problem, which thankfully they don't |
| 02:22.13 | brad2901 | same with bzadmin-curses.dev ? |
| 02:22.20 | lan56 | yes |
| 02:22.22 | brad2901 | k |
| 02:22.41 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: ping |
| 02:22.49 | lan56 | I'll be posting fixed .dev files to UL_Approved's thread on bzbb, so if anyone needs the fix its there |
| 02:22.53 | lan56 | I'll get a link shortly |
| 02:22.56 | brad2901 | ah cool |
| 02:23.44 | brad2901 | is libaries.dev still needed? I built the bzflag client without compiling that first. |
| 02:24.28 | brad2901 | oh ... unless the same libs were there from a previous build |
| 02:31.59 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03lan56 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzadmin-pdcurses.dev bzadmin.dev): fix -lregex deal, it is not needed as bzflag provides the regex files |
| 02:32.43 | lan56 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=78407#78407 has the fixed goods |
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| 02:35.02 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzadmin-pdcurses.dev bzadmin.dev): fix -lregex deal, it is not needed as bzflag provides the regex files |
| 02:35.12 | lan56 | wait a minute I goofed again on that bzbb link |
| 02:36.58 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03lan56 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/bzadmin-pdcurses.dev: fixes |
| 02:38.39 | lan56 | ok that link has the fixed bzadmin.dev files, so use those if you don't have libregex.a installed |
| 02:38.53 | brad2901 | thx lan56 |
| 02:39.16 | lan56 | np it was my mistake I had to be responsible for it |
| 02:48.03 | brad2901 | hmm getting another error with the curses build |
| 02:48.05 | brad2901 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.23 | lan56 | what compiler? |
| 02:48.30 | brad2901 | dev-cpp of course :) |
| 02:48.40 | lan56 | ahh |
| 02:48.44 | lan56 | let me take a look |
| 02:48.47 | brad2901 | k |
| 02:48.56 | lan56 | did the regex thing at least work? |
| 02:49.00 | brad2901 | yes |
| 02:49.02 | brad2901 | that's fine now |
| 02:49.27 | lan56 | phew I thought I discovered some new regex problems with header files but you say its fine so nvm |
| 02:49.42 | brad2901 | heh I think so anyway :) |
| 02:50.07 | lan56 | ahh well if I found all the errors in one night it would be too good to be true I guess |
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| 02:50.36 | brad2901 | yeah |
| 02:50.43 | JeffM2501 | double yeah! |
| 02:51.18 | brad2901 | uh huh |
| 02:52.21 | bryjen | JeffM2501: you missed the bzfsAPI.* files on HEAD with that last commit |
| 02:52.57 | JeffM2501 | well poop |
| 02:53.01 | lan56 | brad2901: huh I can't seem to replicate the problem so far, let me search for something hold on |
| 02:53.15 | brad2901 | lan56: ok, no hurry |
| 02:53.16 | JeffM2501 | I'm just sucking it today arn't I |
| 02:53.37 | lan56 | brad2901, well I do want to have everything fixed ASAP tho :) |
| 02:53.49 | brad2901 | heh |
| 02:55.53 | lan56 | brad2901, it looks as if you are defining HAVE_USLEEP which is what calls usleep() at line 278 in TimeKeeper.cxx |
| 02:56.09 | lan56 | config.h doesn't define this |
| 02:56.22 | brad2901 | hmm odd |
| 02:56.28 | lan56 | neither does the .dev file |
| 02:56.45 | brad2901 | I haven't changed anything ,just downloaded the .zip from sf.net |
| 02:56.59 | lan56 | that's odd |
| 02:57.08 | lan56 | I'm trying to think where that could be defined |
| 02:57.40 | lan56 | well forget trying to find it, its easier just to insert an #undef before that line |
| 02:57.46 | lan56 | a cheap hack :) |
| 02:57.57 | brad2901 | heh |
| 02:58.12 | brad2901 | what file do I need to change then |
| 02:58.17 | brad2901 | bzadmin-curses.dev? |
| 02:58.26 | lan56 | no TimeKeeper.cxx |
| 02:58.33 | brad2901 | ah, k |
| 02:58.38 | lan56 | before line 278 add #undef HAVE_USLEEP |
| 02:58.48 | brad2901 | ok, will do |
| 02:58.55 | lan56 | k |
| 02:59.39 | lan56 | tell me how it compiles if you are finishing compilation now |
| 03:00.31 | brad2901 | 2 secs |
| 03:00.45 | brad2901 | hmm same error |
| 03:00.50 | lan56 | :( |
| 03:01.20 | lan56 | alright another cheap hack: go back to that same line in TimeKeeper.cxx |
| 03:01.25 | brad2901 | k |
| 03:01.27 | lan56 | line 278 |
| 03:01.42 | lan56 | well first make sure that that line says "HAVE_USLEEP" in it |
| 03:01.51 | lan56 | lets make sure we have the same lines |
| 03:01.52 | brad2901 | yep |
| 03:02.12 | brad2901 | same as yours |
| 03:02.23 | lan56 | ok, this is really cheap but its fast: change the "ifdef" to "ifndef" |
| 03:02.46 | lan56 | to be safe I'd remove that #undef you added a few secs ago |
| 03:02.51 | lan56 | that whole #undef line I mean |
| 03:03.21 | brad2901 | k |
| 03:03.46 | lan56 | because HAVE_SLEEP is defined so it will just ignore that usleep() block and go straight to using Sleep(), which does work |
| 03:04.02 | brad2901 | http://pastebin.com/654953 |
| 03:04.12 | lan56 | gulp |
| 03:04.35 | brad2901 | :) |
| 03:04.37 | lan56 | is that what it says even after you changed it to ifndef? |
| 03:04.49 | brad2901 | yes, more errors that time |
| 03:04.54 | lan56 | :( |
| 03:05.12 | lan56 | I'm thinking |
| 03:06.39 | shorty114 | oh wtf |
| 03:06.45 | shorty114 | someone banned me for impersonating BZAdmin |
| 03:06.49 | shorty114 | but i was _actually_ in bzadmin |
| 03:06.53 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 03:06.57 | lan56 | okay so those errors in that pastebin happen when you changed ifdef->ifndef, and you took out that undef you added at first, correct brad2901 ? |
| 03:07.10 | brad2901 | lan56: right |
| 03:07.18 | a_temp_dist | 14 year old server owners are a dangerous mix |
| 03:07.48 | orange | shorty114: that's actually kind of amusing, if you can get past the annoyance |
| 03:08.01 | shorty114 | orange, yeah, i'm ready to freaking throttle the person |
| 03:08.02 | shorty114 | Moto Unit |
| 03:08.18 | lan56 | brad2901, I don't know, I guess you could try again with the original coding: #ifdef, and no undefs |
| 03:08.24 | lan56 | this is puzzling |
| 03:08.27 | brad2901 | k |
| 03:08.36 | orange | shorty114: what server? |
| 03:08.41 | lan56 | I don't think that will work it didn't work the first time |
| 03:08.45 | orange | we should all fire up our bzadmin clients and go there :-) |
| 03:08.48 | lan56 | but who knows |
| 03:08.48 | shorty114 | orange, viper2.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 03:09.01 | orange | oh, I may have perms, let me look |
| 03:09.04 | brad2901 | http://pastebin.com/654960 |
| 03:09.30 | lan56 | brad2901, ahh thats better |
| 03:09.34 | lan56 | not fixed, but better |
| 03:09.44 | lan56 | let me think |
| 03:09.46 | brad2901 | :) |
| 03:10.00 | lan56 | did you build libcurses.a yourself? |
| 03:10.17 | brad2901 | hmm I'm not sure, haven't tried building bzadmin in a long time |
| 03:10.34 | shorty114 | brad2901, just don't go to viper's server if you do build it |
| 03:10.39 | shorty114 | :D |
| 03:10.45 | brad2901 | shorty114: am there now ;) |
| 03:10.57 | shorty114 | brad2901, is Moto Unit there? |
| 03:10.58 | lan56 | you'd probably want to replace all your current pdcurses files with fresh copies from the official site |
| 03:11.03 | orange | I'm there too, no perms for me |
| 03:11.21 | brad2901 | I can only kick/shortban.. no banlist |
| 03:11.22 | lan56 | brad2901, http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pdcurses/pdc28_ming_w32.zip?download |
| 03:11.27 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): add in the API for starting a recording |
| 03:11.28 | brad2901 | lan56: ok, will do |
| 03:11.29 | brad2901 | thanks |
| 03:11.32 | shorty114 | orange, yeah, i think he took off inactive admins (me for ex), but thx for the try |
| 03:11.37 | lan56 | np tell me if it still fails brad2901 |
| 03:11.44 | brad2901 | ok |
| 03:12.04 | orange | what's that command to check a ban? |
| 03:12.07 | shorty114 | Pimpinella, ping |
| 03:12.27 | brad2901 | orange: /checkip ? |
| 03:12.37 | brad2901 | /banlist ? |
| 03:12.42 | orange | checkip |
| 03:12.45 | orange | but I can't do that either |
| 03:12.50 | blast007 | lan56: not sure of pdcurses 2.8 works with BZFlag |
| 03:13.06 | lan56 | oh :( it just gets worse and worse |
| 03:13.09 | blast007 | or, at least with VC |
| 03:13.15 | lan56 | :) well try it |
| 03:13.19 | lan56 | I'll try too |
| 03:13.22 | lan56 | or wait |
| 03:13.27 | lan56 | let me see what version I have |
| 03:13.36 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/vc71/plugins.sln: build recordmatch as part of the standard plugins |
| 03:13.43 | blast007 | I have 2.6, because 2.8 made it not compile with VC7.1 |
| 03:13.50 | lan56 | brad2901, ok I don't know my version |
| 03:13.52 | lan56 | ahh |
| 03:14.01 | lan56 | well try it anyway hopefully it works |
| 03:14.01 | blast007 | didn't try 2.7 |
| 03:14.09 | lan56 | try either then |
| 03:14.22 | lan56 | just make sure it is mingw32 and that it is official binaries |
| 03:14.56 | lan56 | I'm sorry about all these problems brad2901, I wish it was a more smoother process to compile it for you |
| 03:15.10 | lan56 | does bzflag.dev and bzfs.dev work at least, or have you not tried? |
| 03:15.25 | brad2901 | bzflag.dev works fine, haven't tried bzfs.dev yet |
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| 03:15.36 | lan56 | phew at least theres some good :) |
| 03:15.40 | brad2901 | :) |
| 03:15.41 | shorty114 | ooh i think i found a bug in bzadmin |
| 03:15.50 | shorty114 | if you're banned from the server, it doesn't tell you so but just quits |
| 03:16.28 | blast007 | bzadmin doesn't tell you a lot of things |
| 03:18.53 | brad2901 | lan56: same error. |
| 03:19.02 | lan56 | :( |
| 03:19.20 | lan56 | 2.8 pdcurses? |
| 03:19.23 | brad2901 | yep |
| 03:19.27 | lan56 | from the link above? |
| 03:19.34 | brad2901 | ys |
| 03:19.35 | brad2901 | yes |
| 03:19.53 | lan56 | k let me download it so I can replicate it |
| 03:21.04 | lan56 | oh in the pdcurses package you downloaded did you add "lib" to the front of the packaged "pdcurses.a"? |
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| 03:21.33 | brad2901 | lan56: no.. |
| 03:21.40 | lan56 | alright try that |
| 03:21.42 | brad2901 | ok |
| 03:21.49 | lan56 | also do the same for panel.a |
| 03:22.12 | lan56 | so you should then have "libcurses.a" and "libpanel.a" |
| 03:22.23 | lan56 | well take out the "pd" part |
| 03:22.42 | lan56 | then put em in your dev-C++ /lib/ directory |
| 03:22.55 | lan56 | select yes when it asks about replacments |
| 03:23.20 | JeffM2501 | what do I have to do on a server to make it able to do /countdown start 1 |
| 03:23.50 | brad2901 | JeffM2501: tried just /countdown ? |
| 03:23.57 | JeffM2501 | how long will that be? |
| 03:24.05 | JeffM2501 | I need it short for testing |
| 03:24.31 | brad2901 | change it to /cd ? |
| 03:24.57 | blast007 | short timer you mean? ;) |
| 03:24.58 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 03:25.06 | JeffM2501 | I've never done a countdown before |
| 03:25.10 | brad2901 | ohh |
| 03:25.13 | brad2901 | 10 seconds |
| 03:25.16 | JeffM2501 | how do I config the server |
| 03:25.18 | blast007 | there's a command line option for the countdown |
| 03:25.23 | brad2901 | /countdown <time> |
| 03:25.24 | JeffM2501 | and it is? |
| 03:25.27 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 03:25.29 | blast007 | or that |
| 03:25.33 | brad2901 | 10 is default |
| 03:25.46 | JeffM2501 | 10 second matches? |
| 03:26.00 | blast007 | 10 seconds until the timer starts? |
| 03:26.07 | JeffM2501 | then how long is the match? |
| 03:26.10 | brad2901 | blast007: yes |
| 03:26.10 | JeffM2501 | or how do I end the match? |
| 03:26.16 | brad2901 | /gamover |
| 03:26.20 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok' |
| 03:26.21 | brad2901 | gamover even |
| 03:26.22 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 03:26.27 | brad2901 | gameover *** |
| 03:26.30 | blast007 | hehe |
| 03:26.41 | brad2901 | now where was I |
| 03:26.52 | JeffM2501 | tells me the server is not configured for timed matches |
| 03:27.20 | blast007 | there's a command line option too |
| 03:27.22 | brad2901 | -time 1800 |
| 03:27.22 | brad2901 | -timemanual |
| 03:27.27 | JeffM2501 | I have time manual set |
| 03:27.44 | brad2901 | -time aswell? |
| 03:27.46 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 03:27.52 | JeffM2501 | what do I put after time? |
| 03:27.55 | blast007 | that controls how long the match is, in seconds |
| 03:28.00 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 03:28.44 | brad2901 | lan56: quite a few more errors this time |
| 03:28.45 | lan56 | brad2901, when you go to compile with the new curses installation you may get a new error in curses_wrapper.h |
| 03:28.46 | brad2901 | I'll pastebin |
| 03:28.54 | lan56 | ok lets see em and match up :) |
| 03:29.21 | brad2901 | http://pastebin.com/654971 |
| 03:30.13 | lan56 | ok thats not too good |
| 03:30.29 | brad2901 | heh |
| 03:30.31 | lan56 | I haven't reached that point yet I am getting some errors in curses_wrapper.h |
| 03:30.34 | lan56 | :( |
| 03:31.12 | blast007 | any specific error? |
| 03:31.24 | blast007 | and are you using pdcurses 2.8? |
| 03:31.44 | lan56 | well whatever that link was I gave you |
| 03:31.50 | lan56 | let me postbin it |
| 03:31.56 | lan56 | pastebin sorry |
| 03:32.23 | blast007 | like I said, I don't think we can use 2.8 |
| 03:32.30 | blast007 | not until our wrapper is fixed |
| 03:32.43 | blast007 | s/fixed/updated/ |
| 03:32.50 | lan56 | yeah okay lets try 2.7 then |
| 03:32.53 | brad2901 | k |
| 03:33.15 | brad2901 | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pdcurses/pdc27_ming_w32.zip?download ? |
| 03:33.33 | blast007 | is there a pdcurses package via the Dev-Cpp package manager? |
| 03:33.45 | lan56 | thats what I am looking :) |
| 03:33.46 | blast007 | not that it would really matter, since it's probably 2.8 |
| 03:34.49 | lan56 | there is a 2.8 devpak |
| 03:34.52 | lan56 | but we want 2.7 |
| 03:35.16 | blast007 | or maybe even 2.6 ;) |
| 03:35.23 | blast007 | might have to build that one though |
| 03:35.23 | lan56 | true |
| 03:35.26 | brad2901 | oh it worked! |
| 03:35.34 | brad2901 | ~lan56++ |
| 03:35.37 | lan56 | really? |
| 03:35.38 | brad2901 | ~blast007++ |
| 03:35.38 | blast007 | brad2901: 2.7? |
| 03:35.40 | brad2901 | yep |
| 03:35.41 | brad2901 | 2.7 |
| 03:35.44 | blast007 | k |
| 03:35.52 | lan56 | it compiled successfully? |
| 03:35.54 | brad2901 | yeah |
| 03:35.56 | brad2901 | no errors |
| 03:36.02 | lan56 | no kidding? |
| 03:36.03 | brad2901 | now to see if it works ;) |
| 03:36.09 | brad2901 | seriously, lan56 :) |
| 03:36.15 | lan56 | neato! |
| 03:36.43 | brad2901 | where should the binary be? it isn't in src/bzadmin/ |
| 03:36.54 | lan56 | let me look |
| 03:37.02 | brad2901 | k |
| 03:37.20 | lan56 | actually it should be but it is named bzadmin-pdcurses.exe |
| 03:37.27 | lan56 | bzadmin-curses.exe |
| 03:37.29 | lan56 | actually |
| 03:37.30 | brad2901 | ohh heh |
| 03:37.35 | brad2901 | it was hiding at the bottom |
| 03:37.37 | brad2901 | silly me |
| 03:37.43 | lan56 | heh |
| 03:38.00 | lan56 | I oughta add a curses part to the readme |
| 03:38.05 | lan56 | I'll use your 2.7 link |
| 03:38.11 | lan56 | ~brad2901++ |
| 03:38.14 | bryjen | "cannot load texture: red_basetop.png". odd, its not even a ctf world |
| 03:38.15 | brad2901 | and it runs fine aswell |
| 03:38.28 | lan56 | phew what a relief |
| 03:38.43 | brad2901 | heh thanks again |
| 03:39.03 | lan56 | np but after all you were the one that found the right version so thank you too :) |
| 03:39.41 | brad2901 | :) |
| 03:41.00 | bryjen | ah, it is used by the world for something else. side effect of re-organizing the data files :/ |
| 03:41.47 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03lan56 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/README.DEVC++: pdcurses info |
| 03:42.20 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/README.DEVC++: pdcurses info |
| 03:47.27 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: call the gameover event when a game is manualy stoped |
| 03:47.50 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: don't start recording if there is allready a recording in progress |
| 03:51.05 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: don't start recording if there is allready a recording in progress |
| 03:52.35 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: call the gameover event when a game is manualy stoped |
| 03:53.16 | JeffM2501 | there that should do it |
| 03:53.20 | JeffM2501 | recordmatch works fine |
| 03:56.13 | a-delusion | I'm getting a usage error with the code BL for blindness flag, is this correct? |
| 03:56.34 | a-delusion | woop wrong channel again |
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| 04:02.40 | JeffM2501 | mmm laser |
| 04:02.41 | JeffM2501 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/images/screens/bzfi0002.png |
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| 04:18.33 | bryjen | http://bryjen.bzflag.org/theif.png |
| 04:18.42 | bryjen | wasn't it blue-ish before? |
| 04:19.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah I haven't fixed theif |
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| 04:19.16 | JeffM2501 | it's trying to use a non existant team color |
| 04:19.26 | JeffM2501 | it will be blueish soon |
| 04:19.36 | JeffM2501 | and probably look a bit difrent |
| 04:19.52 | JeffM2501 | have like puleses that "suck" from the end to the tank :) |
| 04:20.38 | JeffM2501 | I think the radius is too big too |
| 04:20.42 | JeffM2501 | blocks a lot of the view |
| 04:21.06 | a_temp_dist | for how long tho? |
| 04:21.19 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 04:21.57 | a_temp_dist | that is when TH is shot right, so it's for just a little bit - or no.. |
| 04:22.13 | JeffM2501 | same time as the shot is on the screen normaly |
| 04:22.21 | JeffM2501 | it's just not a + onscreen anymore |
| 04:25.55 | JeffM2501 | flag code for that is T? |
| 04:26.15 | bryjen | TH |
| 04:26.19 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 04:26.20 | a_temp_dist | T is tiny TH is Thief |
| 04:26.31 | JeffM2501 | ahh yeah |
| 04:26.35 | JeffM2501 | can never remember them all |
| 04:26.46 | L4m3r | you should play more often :P |
| 04:26.59 | JeffM2501 | everytime I play I see all the problems |
| 04:27.02 | JeffM2501 | and say "this is dumb" |
| 04:27.02 | L4m3r | lol |
| 04:27.07 | L4m3r | ouch... |
| 04:27.08 | JeffM2501 | then think up a bunch of new ideas |
| 04:27.12 | JeffM2501 | aka like now |
| 04:27.29 | a-delusion | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.42 | JeffM2501 | that takes a lot more work :) |
| 04:27.53 | a-delusion | ever seen that effect where they shoot a laser in a circle around you, with smoke |
| 04:28.11 | a-delusion | like your going down a tunnel |
| 04:28.29 | L4m3r | let me know when y'all get that "requirefog" thing working, I want to play with it... |
| 04:28.46 | L4m3r | a map with really close-range radar and thick, black fog... :D |
| 04:29.59 | JeffM2501 | probably can just assume fog in 2.2 |
| 04:30.04 | JeffM2501 | cus all clients will support it |
| 04:30.07 | JeffM2501 | and we can just force it on |
| 04:32.11 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/ (bzflag/SegmentedShotStrategy.cxx geometry/LaserSceneNode.cxx): |
| 04:32.11 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: thief's are not white, but very bright blue. |
| 04:32.11 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: make the geolaser smaller and have one less ring. |
| 04:32.22 | JeffM2501 | that should be better for ya bryjen |
| 04:32.28 | JeffM2501 | made it a bight cyan |
| 04:32.35 | JeffM2501 | to kinda match the texture |
| 04:38.56 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/SegmentedShotStrategy.cxx: == not = |
| 04:55.05 | JeffM2501 | better laser and thief shots |
| 04:55.05 | JeffM2501 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/images/screens/bzfi0010.png |
| 04:55.12 | JeffM2501 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/images/screens/bzfi0012.png |
| 04:55.55 | L4m3r | Neat. :) |
| 04:56.12 | L4m3r | thief shot is kinda hard to distinguish from laser, though. |
| 04:56.13 | JeffM2501 | I think that is an ok color for theif |
| 04:56.24 | JeffM2501 | they use the same shot strat |
| 04:56.30 | JeffM2501 | I can change the color tho |
| 04:56.35 | L4m3r | more because of the radius than the color |
| 04:56.55 | JeffM2501 | in normal mode they both use the same geometry |
| 04:56.58 | JeffM2501 | same as now |
| 04:58.06 | JeffM2501 | I could make the center line not so white |
| 04:58.36 | L4m3r | that could help |
| 04:58.46 | L4m3r | maybe make it darker instead of lighter |
| 04:58.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:58.57 | JeffM2501 | doing that now |
| 04:59.01 | JeffM2501 | I'll leave laser white |
| 04:59.06 | JeffM2501 | but make theif a darker blue |
| 04:59.15 | L4m3r | yeah, sounds perfect |
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| 05:06.37 | a-delusion | it does look like it brightens in the ricochet zone |
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| 05:10.23 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't really |
| 05:10.29 | JeffM2501 | it just makes a sphere |
| 05:10.34 | JeffM2501 | the old laser didn't ether |
| 05:11.40 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 05:11.40 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: give thief a darker core beam to make it look difrent then normal laser when using |
| 05:11.40 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: geolaser |
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| 08:12.50 | Mr_Molez | is there a way to get bzflag working on a system without a graphics card ? so bots can be used ? |
| 08:13.02 | Mr_Molez | or a way to have bots with bzadmin |
| 08:13.16 | L4m3r | sure, if you code it :P |
| 08:13.38 | L4m3r | apparently there's a server-side bot plugin in the works for 2.2 |
| 08:13.49 | Mr_Molez | yeh i saw that |
| 08:14.25 | Mr_Molez | how easy do you think it will be to have bots with bzadmin ? |
| 08:14.44 | L4m3r | from what Blast has told me, it'd be a PITA. |
| 08:15.00 | Mr_Molez | PITA ? |
| 08:15.11 | Mr_Molez | ~dict PITA |
| 08:15.28 | L4m3r | Acronym. Think about it. |
| 08:15.51 | Mr_Molez | too tired to think |
| 08:16.00 | Mr_Molez | how about you think for me :) |
| 08:16.21 | L4m3r | Pain In The "arse" |
| 08:16.31 | Mr_Molez | heh |
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| 10:33.00 | menotume | looks like we have a 2.0.7 :) |
| 10:38.26 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 10:38.43 | _Manu_ | only for bug fix :) |
| 10:40.48 | I_Died_Once | I thought there'd be no .8 |
| 10:40.58 | menotume | is porbably mostly for server-side fixes |
| 10:41.36 | menotume | which means i should put my lagstats left-justified callsign fix in :) |
| 10:43.32 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03menotume 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/game/LagInfo.cxx: Minor fix: left-justify callsigns in lagstats (as was intended) |
| 10:45.51 | _Manu_ | it isn't a bug fix :) |
| 10:47.33 | menotume | ? |
| 10:48.01 | menotume | callsigns have always been left-justified, i made a booboo |
| 10:48.46 | _Manu_ | yes, someone (and my eyes not aren't pointing you) introduced it |
| 10:48.52 | _Manu_ | notice the double negation ;-p |
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| 11:11.53 | menotume | _Manu_: hehe |
| 11:12.07 | menotume | it's not a bug, it's a feature :) |
| 11:12.50 | menotume | actaully, i'm inclined to change how lagstats are sent in 2.1 |
| 11:13.12 | menotume | instead of formatting it on the server, just have the server send slotnums/lag info |
| 11:13.20 | menotume | will reduce BW usage |
| 11:14.40 | _Manu_ | :) |
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| 11:39.12 | menotume | it's national split day |
| 11:41.26 | Chestal | menotume: yes, should probably send lagstats-like info to the clients every now and then. And make a fancy lag display in scoreboard or whereever |
| 11:41.41 | Chestal | ah, the early days of /lagstats, when it was a bad hack :-) |
| 11:41.48 | menotume | hehe |
| 11:42.41 | menotume | how often would 'now and then' be ? |
| 11:42.57 | menotume | 30 seconds maybe |
| 11:43.06 | menotume | configurable at server i guess |
| 11:43.14 | Chestal | probably |
| 11:43.47 | menotume | i want to get rid of that bug too, where a very high number is sent if currently waiting on a response |
| 11:44.26 | Chestal | I never understood that part. It was changed at some point to indiciate a packet loss early or something |
| 11:44.55 | menotume | ya, you do /lagstats and get 1200ms on someone. a second later they are 45ms |
| 11:45.03 | menotume | and, sometimes withOUT a packet loss indication |
| 11:45.55 | menotume | do you know how often a client is pionged ? |
| 11:46.35 | Chestal | every 10s I think. Might be a variable |
| 11:46.39 | menotume | k |
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| 11:46.55 | menotume | it's the early-Birdie |
| 11:47.30 | [dmp] | .be must be in a new timezone then :) |
| 11:47.43 | Birdie | its early for both, although its 2pm for me;) |
| 12:12.42 | _Manu_ | menotume, if client syncronize the time with the server, you can know the lag just diffing the time in any packet with the server time |
| 12:12.52 | menotume | yep |
| 12:12.57 | _Manu_ | don't need to ping |
| 12:13.28 | menotume | well, one way anyway |
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| 12:13.48 | _Manu_ | yes, true |
| 12:17.39 | _Manu_ | I also think laggy players musn't be allowed to spawn while his lag is bad |
| 12:18.06 | menotume | oh, that could be nasty in a match |
| 12:18.20 | _Manu_ | laggy players must not play matches ;) |
| 12:18.23 | _Manu_ | or not? |
| 12:18.30 | Birdie | depends on how far you put the limit on that |
| 12:18.31 | _Manu_ | and it can be an option in the server |
| 12:18.40 | _Manu_ | well under the limit is ok |
| 12:18.48 | _Manu_ | for laggy I mean players with lag over the limit |
| 12:18.59 | Birdie | serverlimit? |
| 12:19.03 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 12:19.10 | _Manu_ | usuallu 300 ms |
| 12:19.16 | _Manu_ | s/usuallu/usually/ |
| 12:19.23 | Birdie | thats a good deal |
| 12:19.32 | _Manu_ | then if your lag is 400 ms.. you can't spawn untill your lag is ok |
| 12:19.46 | _Manu_ | of course lagwarn must be running too |
| 12:19.59 | _Manu_ | this can fix laggy players playing untill the lagkick |
| 12:20.57 | menotume | hmm, just set -lagdrop to 1 :) |
| 12:21.12 | _Manu_ | is not the same :) |
| 12:21.22 | menotume | hehe |
| 12:22.19 | _Manu_ | you can get a bad lag for a few seconds.. then you can't spawn while your lag is bad, I think this is the way |
| 12:23.22 | yummy | ya no spawn while lag is over 300ms ... but not kicked ..then u can spawn when lag is back fine |
| 12:23.37 | menotume | well, the server whould have to ping the player frequently |
| 12:24.06 | yummy | so BW overhead :( |
| 12:24.25 | _Manu_ | it can use tha lag actually used |
| 12:24.29 | _Manu_ | then no overhead |
| 12:25.07 | menotume | so, if i do a screenshot, or minimize, i have to wait 10 seconds to spawn ? |
| 12:25.13 | _Manu_ | every time a player joins.. the lag must be checked |
| 12:25.19 | _Manu_ | and after it.. like now it is |
| 12:25.30 | yummy | but if lag is refreshed every 10s.... it can be a long time to wait :p |
| 12:25.40 | _Manu_ | menotume, only if your lag is bad (yes) |
| 12:26.18 | _Manu_ | yummy, then don't lag |
| 12:26.27 | yummy | lol |
| 12:26.47 | _Manu_ | in this way you can't use lag to cheat |
| 12:26.51 | yummy | _Manu_, im not that kind |
| 12:26.58 | yummy | ;) |
| 12:28.40 | _Manu_ | yummy, I'm not telling it |
| 12:28.59 | _Manu_ | s/you/anybody/ |
| 12:29.08 | yummy | _Manu_ , i was kidding .. im so rarely serious ;) |
| 12:29.16 | _Manu_ | I'm too :) |
| 12:33.52 | _Manu_ | well, probably better than no spawn is not allowing to shoot :) |
| 12:34.13 | _Manu_ | nor pick up flags |
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| 13:18.27 | Inferno285 | hi |
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| 13:41.53 | Chestal | ~logs |
| 13:41.54 | ibot | methinks logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 13:43.57 | Inferno285 | it's Chestal...loking for logs :P |
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| 14:10.17 | Chestal | I grep the logs, I play bz, I chat on IRC. On Wednesday I go browsing and drink my lapsang tea. |
| 14:10.20 | Chestal | or so |
| 14:11.50 | [dmp] | :) |
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| 14:30.21 | brlcad | heh |
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| 14:37.37 | Birdie | a friend of mine has a problem. Her internet drops all the time, (wireless). She can talk to some one on internet and everything goes fine. Than we receive still her messages but she cant read ours, and than her internet totally drops, and she needs to reboot. (several pc"s connected on that same net, but the other pc"s hardly have problems), any suggestion? |
| 14:38.20 | Birdie | some kind of property that has to be changed? |
| 14:40.30 | blast007 | Birdie: what kind of signal strength does she get? |
| 14:41.34 | blast007 | and are the other PCs wired or wireless? |
| 14:48.35 | Birdie | wireless |
| 14:49.21 | blast007 | strange |
| 14:49.40 | Birdie | its strange one pc has so many trouble,s and the others hardly |
| 14:49.45 | blast007 | my 2.4Ghz phones tend to kill my wifi |
| 14:49.58 | Birdie | and its really regulary, at least once in 30 45minutes |
| 14:50.00 | blast007 | could try another frequency channel on the router |
| 14:50.05 | Birdie | sometimes a bit longer |
| 14:50.28 | blast007 | so she has to reboot to fix it? |
| 14:50.40 | blast007 | and Windows XP I'm assuming? |
| 14:51.23 | Birdie | yep |
| 14:51.29 | Birdie | although.maybe 2000 |
| 14:51.31 | Birdie | let me ask:) |
| 14:52.14 | Birdie | xp |
| 14:53.00 | Birdie | and the person tells her signal is fine |
| 14:53.07 | blast007 | hrm |
| 14:53.07 | Birdie | (good strength) |
| 14:53.17 | blast007 | might check for a driver update |
| 14:53.24 | Birdie | server always goes offline |
| 14:53.40 | blast007 | or, when it does it again, instead of rebooting, right click on the network connection icon and click Repair |
| 14:53.47 | blast007 | see if that brings it back online |
| 14:54.27 | Birdie | oky |
| 14:54.46 | Birdie | she says she used to try that but it never helped |
| 14:55.19 | blast007 | odd |
| 14:55.44 | Birdie | or she has to wait a long time(no idea how long "long" is), or she has to put her pc off and than start it again |
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| 15:32.44 | shorty114 | is anon cvs synced yet? |
| 16:05.50 | blast007 | probably not |
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| 16:51.12 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat for casual chat || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is now 2.1 unstable, use it for new commits || Version 2.0.6 Released - v2_0_6 tag in CVS or grab from sf.net |
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| 16:57.39 | JeffM2501 | CBG, I don't know, I am trying to read up on how phpbb does groups |
| 16:57.57 | CBG | JeffM2501: ok, thanks. |
| 16:58.12 | JeffM2501 | I think if I set your new user to your old User ID it will just fix it all |
| 16:58.13 | JeffM2501 | I hope |
| 16:58.27 | CBG | *fingers crossed* |
| 16:58.34 | JeffM2501 | I'll be working on that today |
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| 17:21.45 | ATD | is there a way to see the score of a game while I'm in bzadmin? |
| 17:21.54 | Thumper_ | F2 |
| 17:22.09 | Thumper_ | and select show players |
| 17:22.49 | ATD | F2 sends OQ to chat |
| 17:23.04 | Thumper_ | works on Linux :/ |
| 17:23.07 | ATD | heh |
| 17:23.22 | Thumper_ | splits the screen with player callsigns and score on top |
| 17:23.44 | Thumper_ | what platform ? |
| 17:24.06 | ATD | osx - with 2.0.6 bzadmin |
| 17:24.52 | ATD | no biggie - forget it |
| 17:25.10 | Thumper_ | not sure what you have to send it to make that work in osx |
| 17:26.30 | Birdie | ok many have said this before propably, but spawns DO suck bigtime in 2.0.6 |
| 17:26.53 | Birdie | 3players on a whole field, i'm green, i'm fighting one red, the second red spawns in my back ready to shoot me.. |
| 17:27.00 | Birdie | and thats one example of much situations:( |
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| 17:29.40 | JeffM2501 | blast007, you arround? |
| 17:31.01 | blast007 | JeffM2501: yeah |
| 17:35.51 | menotume | Chestal / [dmp] : are you wearing women's clothes ? |
| 17:36.01 | menotume | like your dear papa |
| 17:36.57 | Aribeth | oh my, is he a lumberjak? |
| 17:37.06 | menotume | :) |
| 17:37.12 | JeffM2501 | and is he ok? |
| 17:37.22 | menotume | a bunch of MP freaks ! |
| 17:37.25 | Aribeth | lol |
| 17:37.40 | menotume | is this the argument clinic ? |
| 17:38.16 | Aribeth | only if you have an argument |
| 17:47.56 | menotume | I can argue even if i don't have an argument |
| 17:48.05 | Thumper_ | no you can't |
| 17:48.10 | Aribeth | ahh, well....no |
| 17:48.39 | Aribeth | my sugestion is take 2 tanks and call me in the morning |
| 17:48.47 | Aribeth | :P |
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| 18:14.06 | ToughShooter | Birdie: I have seen that change in 2.0.2 already...when playing at dub |
| 18:14.14 | ToughShooter | err, 2.0.4, not 2.0.2 |
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| 18:37.53 | Chestal | Birdie: what server was that? |
| 18:42.38 | menotume | ya, i have pretty much confirmed this in 2.0.6 |
| 18:42.49 | menotume | spawns are too close to enemy |
| 18:43.45 | Birdie | chestal: brads |
| 18:43.56 | CBG | brad.bzflag.org:59999 |
| 18:44.00 | Birdie | i mean i'm used to play on older versions |
| 18:44.06 | Birdie | 2.0.2 and 2.04 |
| 18:44.15 | Birdie | but i noticed fast that 2.0.6 sucked for spawns |
| 18:44.24 | brad2901 | CBG: 59999 is 2.0.5 .... musta been 5155 |
| 18:44.26 | Birdie | and was the public pillbox one |
| 18:44.29 | CBG | Though I think brad changed it to run 2.0.5 (or 4) instead now, |
| 18:44.30 | Birdie | yea 5155 |
| 18:44.44 | CBG | brad2901: 59999 _was_ 2.0.6 though? |
| 18:44.47 | brad2901 | yes |
| 18:44.55 | Chestal | is 5155 small map, too? |
| 18:44.56 | brad2901 | so many complained about the spawns though |
| 18:45.06 | brad2901 | Chestal: no, larger pillbox map |
| 18:45.41 | Chestal | I culdn't really reproduce the problem with a local server here yesterday. Maybe I haven't tried long enough |
| 18:45.58 | Birdie | but were there changes on the spawncode? |
| 18:46.05 | Birdie | or is this rather an "accident" |
| 18:46.35 | Chestal | it was reorganised, but is intended to behave the same |
| 18:46.45 | Birdie | i guess there is a little bug in it:( |
| 18:47.17 | Chestal | I can only compare with behavior of other servers I played on, not sure what versions they were running |
| 18:51.54 | CBG | It's definitely not the same. |
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| 18:53.11 | brlcad | i've read through the code several times, I can't find anything |
| 18:53.26 | brlcad | maybe someone else can see something I'm missing |
| 18:53.51 | brlcad | i haven't checked the log to see if there was any other edits during 2.0.5 before it was refactored into the policy that might account for a difference |
| 18:54.09 | Chestal | I glanced at the code, but without being able to reproduce the problem easily, that's probably useless |
| 18:55.58 | brlcad | hmm.. "team and maxWorldHeight were shadowing other vars, rename them and quell another unused var warning" .. maybe something there |
| 18:58.25 | menotume | brlcad: is testPos not initialized? |
| 19:00.25 | menotume | in getPosition |
| 19:00.45 | Chestal | hmm, F1 (fullscreen toggle) does not work in 2.1 for me |
| 19:01.23 | TimRiker | what about in 2.0.6 ? |
| 19:01.39 | menotume | Chestal, same for me, and it starts in windowed mode |
| 19:01.47 | TimRiker | I'm getting segfault testing the pending debian package, but it might be my video driver. |
| 19:01.51 | menotume | i was told to 'get windows' :) |
| 19:01.58 | Chestal | 2.0.6 works fine |
| 19:02.09 | Chestal | not working in 2.1 means: F1 doesn't do a thing |
| 19:02.12 | menotume | right |
| 19:02.22 | menotume | Chestal: do you start in wondowed mode ? |
| 19:02.41 | Chestal | menotume: _it_ starts in windowed mode, I haven't told it to |
| 19:02.50 | Chestal | and it is an SDL build |
| 19:02.58 | menotume | right, same here |
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| 19:03.17 | menotume | i tried deleting my config, that didn't help |
| 19:03.39 | Chestal | waah, no servers using the new protocll yet :-) |
| 19:04.04 | brlcad | menotume: yes it apparently isn't |
| 19:04.27 | menotume | brlcad: dunno if that's it |
| 19:04.31 | menotume | could be though |
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| 19:06.00 | menotume | brlcad: i will try to test that here |
| 19:06.05 | menotume | Birdie: pingy :) |
| 19:06.05 | brlcad | "shouldn't be" since there's a check later on that tests whether the position is safe |
| 19:06.21 | menotume | there's something that uses it right in the start |
| 19:06.22 | brlcad | the implication is that isImminentlyDangerous is returning the wrong value |
| 19:06.42 | brlcad | since that is what tests whether there is an enemy close |
| 19:06.53 | menotume | if (!world->getPlayerSpawnPoint(&pi, testPos)) |
| 19:07.00 | menotume | right |
| 19:07.01 | Birdie | meno? |
| 19:07.09 | menotume | can you help me test spawn stuff ? |
| 19:07.23 | brlcad | right, that's where it gets a potential spawn position |
| 19:07.39 | brlcad | hmm.. where was the code before it was refactored.. |
| 19:07.43 | brlcad | bzfs.cxx? |
| 19:07.53 | menotume | btw, i put debug code in to check 'minProximity' - it's fine |
| 19:08.06 | menotume | SpawnPosition |
| 19:08.16 | brlcad | that's right |
| 19:08.17 | Chestal | SpawnPolicy is designe dto be a short-lived object? new one for each spawn? |
| 19:08.42 | brlcad | Chestal: no, it's class data for the SpawnPosition class |
| 19:08.42 | menotume | testPos was probably inited, due to the fact that everything was done in the contructor to SpawnPosition |
| 19:08.52 | brlcad | gets set on first use |
| 19:09.02 | Birdie | meno: if you have 30min, cause i just agreed to match vs vbz, but you can watch the spawns there:) |
| 19:09.05 | Chestal | brlcad: I'm asking because the ctor stores curmaxplayers, so that better not grow |
| 19:09.12 | menotume | Birdie: ok, np |
| 19:09.20 | brlcad | Chestal: ahh.... |
| 19:09.35 | menotume | ahhh, that too ! :) |
| 19:09.51 | menotume | so, it's always 0 ? |
| 19:10.14 | brlcad | i think you just found it |
| 19:10.34 | brlcad | that's a problem, it's not checking more than curmax in isImminentlyDangerous |
| 19:10.43 | Chestal | qwould explain why my tests worked, too |
| 19:10.54 | Chestal | because I had no players joining after firdst spawn |
| 19:11.49 | CBG | o.O |
| 19:12.03 | Chestal | menotume: testpos should be ok. first use is call to getPlayerSpawnPoint, and I think it#s write only in there |
| 19:12.27 | menotume | yes, maxplayers is 1, when 2 players are on |
| 19:13.10 | brlcad | so i did inject the darn bug |
| 19:13.10 | menotume | yay for 2.0.8 ! |
| 19:13.14 | Chestal | hurrah! |
| 19:13.48 | menotume | i blame the QC group |
| 19:13.55 | brlcad | observers counted in curMaxPlayers? |
| 19:14.11 | Chestal | I guess it's the highest slot number in use |
| 19:14.16 | Chestal | +1 |
| 19:14.18 | menotume | right |
| 19:14.32 | menotume | interesting though |
| 19:14.40 | brlcad | wondering if there's a workaround that could be published for .6 |
| 19:14.43 | menotume | could keep you out of the middle of the map ? |
| 19:15.10 | brlcad | like connecting N players via bzadmin immediately |
| 19:15.11 | Chestal | brlcad: make everyone join at once in the beginning ;-) |
| 19:15.20 | Chestal | ah, hmm |
| 19:15.34 | brlcad | something one/two-line scriptable |
| 19:15.39 | menotume | wouldn't it alwyas be 1 ? |
| 19:15.53 | brlcad | nah, it's not set until someone spawns |
| 19:15.59 | menotume | ahh |
| 19:16.11 | brlcad | first spawn and then it's fixed at howevermany are joined |
| 19:16.48 | Chestal | just release 2.0.8, fixed spawning and lagstats tetx alignment :-) |
| 19:16.56 | menotume | :) |
| 19:17.01 | menotume | maybe we should wit a bit ? |
| 19:17.07 | Chestal | hmm, both server only |
| 19:17.10 | menotume | right |
| 19:17.26 | brlcad | welp, people did say that they wanted more random spawns.. *ahem* |
| 19:17.36 | Chestal | yay for moving sshd to another port |
| 19:17.37 | menotume | errr, hmm |
| 19:18.15 | Chestal | this bug shows a problem with testing, however. Not enough popular servers running bleeding edge code |
| 19:18.29 | menotume | right |
| 19:18.43 | Chestal | IIRC that change wasn#t that close to release? |
| 19:18.52 | brlcad | yeah, not likely you'd notice with just a couple players, certainly not easily with bots |
| 19:19.02 | brlcad | it wasn't, couple weeks before |
| 19:19.04 | menotume | cople of weeks, i think |
| 19:19.08 | menotume | that too :) |
| 19:19.23 | Birdie | still need me to test? |
| 19:19.29 | Birdie | @ meno |
| 19:19.50 | Thumper_ | -requireudp may have an issue too |
| 19:19.52 | menotume | Birdie: not yet :) |
| 19:20.04 | Thumper_ | A bunch of players got kicked with no UDP on bzflag.bz servers |
| 19:20.10 | Thumper_ | that didn't used to with 2.0.5 from 2 weeks ago |
| 19:20.14 | Chestal | the new logo looks nice, but the 'LAG' part really stands out. By purpose? :-) |
| 19:21.40 | Thumper_ | some players have also commented that the new SW bubble really lags their client in 2.0.6 |
| 19:21.50 | Thumper_ | changing from Experimental to High quality seems to fix that |
| 19:21.55 | Thumper_ | not sure if there is a note for that anywhere |
| 19:22.17 | menotume | ok, i 'fixed' curmaxplayers here, gonna need people to test though |
| 19:22.55 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (SpawnPolicy.cxx SpawnPolicy.h): |
| 19:22.55 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: bad bad sean, no donut for me. fix the bug that was injected during the spawn |
| 19:22.55 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: policy refactoring where curMaxPlayers is only set when the policy is created |
| 19:22.55 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: causing isImminentlyDangerous to only check the number of players that were |
| 19:22.55 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: joined at that time (instead of the current max player count). this caused |
| 19:22.57 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: rather random (and potentially dangerous) spawn positions to get selected. |
| 19:23.23 | Chestal | menotume: server? |
| 19:23.30 | menotume | bzflag.no-ip.com:5156 |
| 19:23.38 | Thumper_ | menotume: how many players do you want? |
| 19:23.58 | menotume | brlcad: just a call to getMaxPlayers at start of getPosition() ? |
| 19:24.07 | menotume | Thumper_: lots :) |
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| 19:25.21 | menotume | good, curMaxPlayers is 2 now :) |
| 19:25.49 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (SpawnPolicy.h SpawnPolicy.cxx): merge bug fix from head regarding bad fixed value for curmaxplayers. |
| 19:25.57 | Thumper_ | 12 players at LaserMania... on the way |
| 19:26.14 | brlcad | menotume: replaced references to curMaxPlayers with getCurMaxPlayers() |
| 19:26.35 | brlcad | can improve that for sure, but it's a quick sure fix |
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| 19:35.39 | _Manu_ | Chestal, I said about the LAG part before you ;) |
| 19:35.49 | _Manu_ | and now it's better than the first try |
| 19:37.27 | menotume | brlcad: ahhh, you cpu hog you |
| 19:38.18 | menotume | we're testing 4v4 on ducati map - looks good i would say |
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| 19:41.49 | menotume | ship it :) |
| 19:42.46 | menotume | dang OO programmers, call getCurMaxPlayers() every iteration of a loop, instead of once in the beginning |
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| 19:46.32 | menotume | if (!world->getPlayerSpawnPoint(&pi, testPos)) |
| 19:47.19 | menotume | ohhhhh, random - nvm |
| 19:47.24 | menotume | shouldn't matter |
| 19:47.26 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 19:52.28 | Tupone | menotume: valgrind is your friend |
| 19:52.41 | menotume | for what ? |
| 19:52.44 | menotume | :) |
| 19:52.49 | menotume | I know which is fater |
| 19:52.51 | menotume | faster |
| 19:53.08 | menotume | i don't care by how much, it all adds up :) |
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| 19:54.15 | menotume | referencing a var is about 10x faster than calling a function, i would say |
| 19:54.38 | Tupone | unless is an inline |
| 19:54.50 | menotume | ahhh |
| 19:55.12 | Tupone | I don't know if that is, or not |
| 19:55.36 | menotume | right, but you are right |
| 19:55.50 | menotume | i prefer not to even look :) |
| 19:56.34 | DTRemenak | yay for working blind |
| 19:57.07 | menotume | but, why ? |
| 19:57.16 | menotume | just get it once in the start of the function |
| 19:57.30 | menotume | mylocalcurmaxplayers = getCurMaxPlayers() |
| 19:57.43 | orange | that's so convoluted |
| 19:57.58 | menotume | no, less convoluted orange |
| 19:58.02 | menotume | but, nice try |
| 19:58.18 | menotume | IMO, less convoluted, cuase I know what I have |
| 19:58.32 | menotume | without having to worry if someone changes getCurMaxPlayers() |
| 19:59.06 | orange | curmaxplayers_as_of_the_start_of_this_block |
| 19:59.10 | menotume | ~squeeze orange |
| 19:59.11 | ibot | ACTION squeezes the juice out of orange until there just ain't nothin left |
| 19:59.17 | JeffM2501 | mmm raw fish :) |
| 19:59.24 | menotume | orange: the var was already there and being used :P |
| 19:59.51 | menotume | and, it wouldn't change in that class |
| 20:00.03 | menotume | (in that invocation) |
| 20:03.08 | menotume | ~convolute orange |
| 20:03.10 | ibot | menotume adds several layers of useless code in order to confuse orange |
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| 20:12.06 | JeffM2501 | why would you want to turn orange into playing.cxx? |
| 20:14.06 | menotume | hehe, well playing.cxx is a different kinbd of convolution |
| 20:14.17 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 20:14.20 | menotume | no structure at all :) |
| 20:15.50 | orange | yes, I'm well segmented, myself |
| 20:15.58 | Aribeth | lol |
| 20:16.38 | menotume | ~segfault orange |
| 20:16.44 | ibot | ACTION executes orange and -9teLdR/;+#Segmentation fault. |
| 20:16.52 | menotume | ohhh, there is one :P |
| 20:18.39 | _Manu_ | ~delete menotume |
| 20:18.41 | ibot | Segmentation fault. |
| 20:18.43 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 20:19.00 | Aribeth | ~segfault menotume |
| 20:19.01 | ibot | ACTION executes menotume and -9teLdR/;+#Segmentation fault. |
| 20:19.34 | menotume | weeeeeee |
| 20:19.54 | menotume | i made a dump |
| 20:20.46 | Aribeth | lol |
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| 20:25.10 | menotume | I've been meaning to fix that memory problem |
| 20:25.19 | menotume | but, i keep forgetting |
| 20:25.20 | Aribeth | hehe |
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| 21:16.29 | JeffM2501 | just FYI for everyone carnage is geting his global account back on a probationary status, if anyone has any complaints when he plays please let us know and apropriate action will be taken. |
| 21:17.40 | L4m3r | what should I look out for? |
| 21:17.51 | JeffM2501 | him being a cheating bastage :) |
| 21:17.55 | JeffM2501 | he said he wouldn't be |
| 21:18.12 | JeffM2501 | it's just so everyone knows he is unbaned |
| 21:18.15 | L4m3r | ah. acknowledged. |
| 21:18.37 | JeffM2501 | don't bug him raged or anything |
| 21:19.14 | carnage | hehe :) |
| 21:19.18 | Birdie | <---- will watch him |
| 21:20.10 | carnage | aww |
| 21:20.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/SpawnPolicy.cxx: quell menotume |
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| 21:21.05 | bryjen | ~dict quell |
| 21:21.55 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/SpawnPolicy.cxx: merge quelling from v2_0branch |
| 21:23.56 | bryjen | SpawnPolicy.cxx:251: error: syntax error before `;' token |
| 21:24.31 | bryjen | i is less than what? |
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| 21:43.35 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/SpawnPolicy.cxx: whoops |
| 21:43.55 | L4m3r | lol |
| 21:44.19 | menotume | brlcad: lol |
| 21:44.33 | menotume | but, now i have to find something else to complain about :( |
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| 21:47.09 | menotume | ahh, found something :) |
| 21:47.20 | menotume | still calling getCurrent MaxPlayers too often :) |
| 21:48.09 | menotume | ahh, but maybe needed for superclasses |
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| 22:05.53 | JeffM2501 | look what I started by commting to branch |
| 22:05.58 | JeffM2501 | damn you molez! |
| 22:07.17 | L4m3r | no openGL until macvidia gets it to work :( |
| 22:07.37 | JeffM2501 | umm they should have support for some nvidia cards |
| 22:07.48 | JeffM2501 | oh probably not on your hackass system |
| 22:07.51 | L4m3r | lol |
| 22:07.56 | JeffM2501 | they have PPC drivers for many of them |
| 22:08.04 | L4m3r | precisely. |
| 22:08.10 | JeffM2501 | go buy a mac :) |
| 22:08.20 | L4m3r | hell no. |
| 22:08.28 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Get a macintel ^^ |
| 22:08.32 | JeffM2501 | basicly you are complainng that a company isn't supporting the software you stole from them |
| 22:08.37 | L4m3r | lol |
| 22:09.02 | L4m3r | there's no other way without buying the hardware AFAIK |
| 22:09.07 | JeffM2501 | no there isn't |
| 22:09.14 | JeffM2501 | dosn't change the fact that you stole it |
| 22:09.38 | JeffM2501 | just cus you want todo something your way, not the way the owners of it want, dos't make it right ;) |
| 22:09.57 | L4m3r | I'll consider buying it if/when they stop being stupid and sell a PC version :) |
| 22:10.09 | JeffM2501 | at that point they will support you |
| 22:10.20 | JeffM2501 | but I don't think they will cus it would mean too many drivers to support |
| 22:10.28 | JeffM2501 | not for a long while |
| 22:10.30 | L4m3r | well, I mean, you'd think macintel would at least support nvidia |
| 22:10.30 | trepan | JeffM2501: not all of your branch commits were bug fixes, shame ;) |
| 22:10.41 | JeffM2501 | trepan, I know, that's why I made that statment |
| 22:10.52 | L4m3r | I think they've got some deal going with ATi or something |
| 22:10.53 | JeffM2501 | but we shoudln't go down the 2.0.8 road |
| 22:10.54 | PuMpErNiCkLe | They don't sell any macintels with nvidia cards, afaik. |
| 22:11.04 | L4m3r | Exactly. |
| 22:11.06 | JeffM2501 | I don't intend that code to ever be relased untill 2.2 |
| 22:11.32 | trepan | JeffM2501: others' commits were... so i doubt you prompted them |
| 22:11.33 | L4m3r | really, all Apple needs as far as drivers are mobos and nVidia, everything else seems to work |
| 22:11.57 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, and every little USB divce out there |
| 22:12.09 | L4m3r | well, they've already got a lot of that, I think |
| 22:12.09 | JeffM2501 | many wireless USB things don't work |
| 22:12.11 | JeffM2501 | bluetooth |
| 22:12.15 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 22:12.18 | JeffM2501 | it's a big task |
| 22:12.20 | L4m3r | no bluetooth? really? wow |
| 22:12.22 | JeffM2501 | and it would also affect there biz |
| 22:12.27 | JeffM2501 | they have bluetooth |
| 22:12.34 | JeffM2501 | just on "OSX" supported one |
| 22:12.38 | L4m3r | oh |
| 22:12.54 | JeffM2501 | but raely, you can't complain about support for software you stole |
| 22:13.02 | L4m3r | really, I think they'd have much better luck selling if they moved in that direction |
| 22:13.07 | JeffM2501 | and are using in a manner that it was not designed for |
| 22:13.14 | JeffM2501 | they probably will |
| 22:13.23 | JeffM2501 | after they get the infrastructure in place |
| 22:13.33 | JeffM2501 | from what i have heard,, it's not so stable right now :) |
| 22:13.36 | L4m3r | well, damn, it seems pretty well in place already |
| 22:13.41 | JeffM2501 | they will give it a year on macs to get stable |
| 22:13.48 | JeffM2501 | and probalby look into it for 10.5 |
| 22:14.01 | JeffM2501 | as you have shown they don't have drivers for nvidias |
| 22:14.06 | L4m3r | it's wonky because of hardware/drivers but I'm still quite impressed |
| 22:14.29 | JeffM2501 | apple makes allmost all the drivers of OSX |
| 22:14.32 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 22:14.40 | L4m3r | not surprising at all. |
| 22:14.55 | L4m3r | still, best move they've made in years, definitely |
| 22:14.55 | JeffM2501 | and you could buy a mini realy cheap :) |
| 22:15.01 | JeffM2501 | then you couldn't complain :) |
| 22:15.14 | L4m3r | but 3-way USB KVM's aren't cheap :P |
| 22:15.15 | JeffM2501 | tho you'd have intel onboard video |
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| 22:16.14 | L4m3r | keep in mind I've already got two desktop systems here in my dorm room, and will have even less room next year than I have now |
| 22:16.25 | JeffM2501 | just 2 |
| 22:16.28 | JeffM2501 | panzy :) |
| 22:16.37 | L4m3r | one on the desk and one underneath... |
| 22:16.39 | JeffM2501 | talk to me when you have 4 |
| 22:16.43 | L4m3r | lol |
| 22:16.53 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: Talk about what? :) |
| 22:16.58 | L4m3r | how do you manage peripherals? lol |
| 22:17.02 | A_Meteorite | (I'm always curious) |
| 22:17.11 | JeffM2501 | what peripherials? |
| 22:17.12 | L4m3r | I get by with a KVM now, but four? O_O |
| 22:17.18 | JeffM2501 | 2 KVMs |
| 22:17.27 | L4m3r | oh, just headless boxes? psh :P |
| 22:17.28 | JeffM2501 | and 2 displays |
| 22:17.32 | L4m3r | ah |
| 22:17.35 | JeffM2501 | each with dual inputs |
| 22:17.46 | JeffM2501 | the main machine and the mini are sharing the large dell |
| 22:17.54 | L4m3r | I don't even have room for a second monitor... |
| 22:17.57 | JeffM2501 | the mac uses the PCs keyboard and mouse via synergy |
| 22:18.13 | JeffM2501 | the 19 on my left has a KVM that runs the second PC and the server |
| 22:18.18 | L4m3r | macs are USB keyb/mouse only right? |
| 22:18.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:18.24 | JeffM2501 | or synergy |
| 22:18.27 | JeffM2501 | synergy rocks |
| 22:18.33 | L4m3r | yeah, I think this has some hacked ps2 driver |
| 22:19.22 | JeffM2501 | or the bios |
| 22:19.32 | JeffM2501 | PS2 keyboards are for little girls |
| 22:19.38 | L4m3r | It's funny how they seem to make sure there are at least three ways to get any given command, so you can actually get around without right click |
| 22:20.02 | A_Meteorite | L4m3r: you're in OSX? |
| 22:20.09 | L4m3r | yes. |
| 22:20.20 | A_Meteorite | How do you like it comared to windoz? |
| 22:20.23 | A_Meteorite | ;) |
| 22:20.43 | L4m3r | frankly, it sucks. It's pretty, but I like Linux better |
| 22:20.55 | L4m3r | KDE, specifically. |
| 22:20.55 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 22:21.03 | shorty114 | eww kde |
| 22:21.04 | A_Meteorite | what part do you not like? |
| 22:21.09 | A_Meteorite | (myself I like Gnome) |
| 22:21.41 | A_Meteorite | xfce is nice |
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| 22:22.10 | L4m3r | just... over the top GUI, the top menu, the way most appluications don't quit out when you close the last window, etc |
| 22:22.36 | A_Meteorite | because Windows tries to make it so each window is an application |
| 22:22.55 | L4m3r | it has its strong points, though. The dock is much smarter for process management than the taskbar is |
| 22:22.55 | A_Meteorite | OSX just makes sense the way it does, *IMHO* |
| 22:23.04 | shorty114 | L4m3r, just be glad we're out of the os 9 era |
| 22:23.17 | L4m3r | I'd rather it didn't have the trash on the dock, though :) |
| 22:23.22 | A_Meteorite | I'm sorta glad I wasn't around when OS9 came out :) |
| 22:23.39 | L4m3r | OS9 was terrible. we used to have an imac in school that had it |
| 22:23.41 | A_Meteorite | I came in at 10.1-10.2 transition |
| 22:23.45 | A_Meteorite | that's when I dumped Windows |
| 22:23.47 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I'm glad I skipped from OS8 to 10.2 |
| 22:24.08 | A_Meteorite | PuMpErNiCkLe: woah, that's a big jump O_o |
| 22:24.16 | L4m3r | speaking of that imac, don't always assume that "it just works". the PSU fried on that poor mac. |
| 22:24.24 | PuMpErNiCkLe | A_Meteorite: not so big, we had an original iMac that got upgraded |
| 22:24.30 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, the fourm problems are not because of bots, the machine is out of ram and CPU |
| 22:24.51 | A_Meteorite | can you ban the bots? |
| 22:24.52 | L4m3r | and of course, since it was a mac, finding parts was impossible. |
| 22:25.01 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, we DO ban the bots |
| 22:25.06 | L4m3r | jeff: I figured, but it wouldn't hurt |
| 22:25.16 | JeffM2501 | it also wouldn't help |
| 22:25.22 | JeffM2501 | our bot trafic is minimal |
| 22:25.27 | L4m3r | did you catch that assload of bots that reg'd recently? |
| 22:25.30 | JeffM2501 | the problem is apache using 75% CPU |
| 22:25.38 | L4m3r | yeowch! |
| 22:25.42 | JeffM2501 | they don't activate so they are auto deleted |
| 22:25.43 | A_Meteorite | yikes |
| 22:26.02 | L4m3r | is it the listserver doing that or BZBB? or something else? |
| 22:26.04 | JeffM2501 | something isn't closing something right |
| 22:26.08 | JeffM2501 | it could be list |
| 22:26.10 | JeffM2501 | it could be bb |
| 22:26.19 | A_Meteorite | apache2? |
| 22:26.20 | JeffM2501 | it could be the my.b.o code |
| 22:26.21 | JeffM2501 | we don't know |
| 22:26.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:26.33 | trepan | it could be DTR's secret pr0n stash |
| 22:26.33 | JeffM2501 | the trafic isn't high enough to justify that CPU usage |
| 22:26.40 | A_Meteorite | yeah |
| 22:26.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah it could be that pr0n |
| 22:26.56 | DTRemenak|RDP | not so secret if you know about it, eh? |
| 22:26.57 | JeffM2501 | so even if we moved it, it woudl still be slow |
| 22:27.02 | A_Meteorite | O_o I hope you're kidding, don't want no kiddies to find it :P |
| 22:27.05 | JeffM2501 | cus we'd just move the problem |
| 22:27.21 | blast007 | A_Meteorite: we're always serious, right? ;) |
| 22:27.28 | A_Meteorite | I think switching to LightTPD would really help, but there's got to be a way to fix Apache. |
| 22:27.28 | L4m3r | does my.b.o collect stats by itself or does BZFS report them? |
| 22:27.41 | blast007 | L4m3r: it has a perl script that runs in the background |
| 22:27.42 | A_Meteorite | blast007: no, I was joking along |
| 22:27.45 | JeffM2501 | we run apache2 here, with about the same trafic |
| 22:27.51 | JeffM2501 | and it never gets that high |
| 22:28.02 | JeffM2501 | something is doing something wierd |
| 22:28.05 | DTRemenak|RDP | JeffM2501: is bzflag well-behaved w.r.t. curl connections for textures etc? |
| 22:28.11 | A_Meteorite | hmmm... have you looked at apache2's included "light" config? |
| 22:28.16 | DTRemenak|RDP | 'cause we serve those there too |
| 22:28.24 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak that I don't know |
| 22:28.37 | JeffM2501 | would be something to test |
| 22:28.49 | L4m3r | that's a thing too, is images.bzflag.org on the same machine? |
| 22:28.52 | JeffM2501 | we coudl move images.bzflag.org to .bz and see if that helped |
| 22:28.55 | DTRemenak|RDP | just something I thought of late last night |
| 22:28.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:29.10 | L4m3r | ooh, that's my first guess then |
| 22:29.11 | JeffM2501 | but since those are cached they don't get hit THAT much |
| 22:29.20 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: that screenshot you posted of the laser, is that in 2.1 CVS now? |
| 22:29.26 | DTRemenak|RDP | sure they do, a connection is opened to check timestamp, right? |
| 22:29.26 | L4m3r | yeah, but the rise in textures does correspond time-wise |
| 22:29.26 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, yes |
| 22:29.37 | DTRemenak|RDP | no big downloads after caching, but still a connection |
| 22:29.37 | JeffM2501 | he checks timestamp? |
| 22:29.43 | JeffM2501 | could be |
| 22:29.44 | DTRemenak|RDP | I think so |
| 22:29.51 | JeffM2501 | I'll see if we can get it moved this weekend then |
| 22:30.11 | L4m3r | *cringes* |
| 22:30.44 | L4m3r | could you just redirect the subdomain elsewhere? that'd save everyone from editing maps |
| 22:31.03 | DTRemenak|RDP | that'd be the idea, L4m3r |
| 22:31.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'll just get the sub to move |
| 22:31.07 | A_Meteorite | yeah, use mod_rewrite |
| 22:31.10 | A_Meteorite | or that too |
| 22:31.16 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 22:31.20 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, or just change you know.. the DNS server |
| 22:31.39 | A_Meteorite | heh, well, I typed my idea before I read yours |
| 22:31.45 | trepan | timestamps are checked (depending on the client options) |
| 22:31.54 | L4m3r | well, it's nice to hear that we're not running lot on B/W |
| 22:31.56 | JeffM2501 | I woudl not put it past curl to leave crap open |
| 22:31.57 | L4m3r | low* |
| 22:32.11 | JeffM2501 | oh no, it's on 100meg connection |
| 22:32.16 | JeffM2501 | bandwith was never the problem |
| 22:32.18 | L4m3r | :D |
| 22:33.26 | JeffM2501 | I think we also need to get some form of automation for the image submision |
| 22:33.46 | DTRemenak|RDP | JeffM2501: I'd be more surprised if curl was buggy, than if bzflag used curl wrong |
| 22:33.47 | A_Meteorite | maybe a ToS that makes the person agree to a license? |
| 22:33.47 | JeffM2501 | like a form users fill out, then it sends the admins a mail and they can just hit an allow or deny link |
| 22:33.57 | A_Meteorite | or that too... |
| 22:34.02 | L4m3r | you could probably write something into BZBB to upload and moderate images |
| 22:34.03 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak yeah that would be moire likely the case |
| 22:34.16 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, no, not tied to bzbb |
| 22:34.23 | JeffM2501 | I don't want to die ANYTHING else to bzbb |
| 22:34.34 | L4m3r | lol, why not? (just curious) |
| 22:34.53 | JeffM2501 | because then it makes it harder to change bzbb |
| 22:34.55 | L4m3r | I mean, since you've got global auth in there, it pretty much has you by the balls anyway :P |
| 22:34.57 | JeffM2501 | and to change the thing |
| 22:35.00 | DTRemenak|RDP | it would be nice to know what bb user it was coming from, JeffM2501 |
| 22:35.03 | JeffM2501 | we want to remove glboal auth |
| 22:35.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah, I'm not saying it can't USE bzbb, but it shouldnot be built in |
| 22:35.36 | L4m3r | :o like, remove completely or just unbind from bzbb? |
| 22:35.37 | DTRemenak|RDP | yeah. stuff should be modular, but it'll still need db access |
| 22:36.00 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: Is there a way to check if a user is in a global group through global login? I don't see a way though weblogin.php |
| 22:36.43 | shorty114 | Pimpinella, pingg |
| 22:36.52 | A_Meteorite | Preferably PHP, but the only way I see it is by connecting to your DB, but no way that will happen :) |
| 22:37.04 | menotume | A_Meteorite: yes, you can |
| 22:37.06 | shorty114 | Pimpinella, pm me please when you get the chance |
| 22:37.13 | menotume | that's kinda the whole point :) |
| 22:37.23 | CBG | shorty114: PM? |
| 22:37.48 | A_Meteorite | menotume: Are there any examples? |
| 22:38.01 | shorty114 | CBG, sure |
| 22:38.44 | shorty114 | or do you mean what is pm? |
| 22:38.50 | L4m3r | *sigh* time for class, man 4-6 CS sucks |
| 22:38.58 | A_Meteorite | Cya, L4m3r |
| 22:39.12 | L4m3r | especially when you're learning how to interpret the bits from a floating-point number |
| 22:39.14 | L4m3r | >_< |
| 22:39.28 | CBG | shorty114: do YOU know what PM is? |
| 22:39.33 | shorty114 | private message |
| 22:39.44 | shorty114 | /msg |
| 22:39.49 | shorty114 | or on the forums |
| 22:45.18 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@63.147.94.149) |
| 22:49.27 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, I made some php code that would do what the game server does with a token |
| 22:49.34 | JeffM2501 | and it would check groups |
| 22:49.48 | A_Meteorite | Is it in CVS? Can I get it? |
| 22:49.54 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 22:49.58 | JeffM2501 | in misc maybe |
| 22:50.05 | A_Meteorite | name of file? |
| 22:50.25 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 22:50.37 | JeffM2501 | or maybe I_dono.php |
| 22:50.43 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 22:54.02 | brlcad | Thumper_: thanks for the details, I've reopened a support request |
| 22:54.26 | Thumper_ | brlcad: glad to help :) |
| 22:55.52 | JeffM2501 | any web monkeys want to make us an image submision system? |
| 22:56.40 | JeffM2501 | if so I can tell you what features we'd like it to have |
| 22:57.11 | A_Meteorite | I maybe could... if I had more details... |
| 22:57.50 | JeffM2501 | want it to be a form that is filled out |
| 22:58.08 | JeffM2501 | takes there global name and verifys it |
| 22:58.10 | JeffM2501 | takes the image |
| 22:58.15 | JeffM2501 | takes a real name |
| 22:58.22 | JeffM2501 | as well as a descriptipn |
| 22:58.25 | brlcad | DTRemenak: i think you have something there |
| 22:58.38 | DTRemenak | where? |
| 22:58.39 | brlcad | i'm seeing odd connections to m.b.o. on .bz |
| 22:58.41 | JeffM2501 | and a checkbox for ether GPL license, or a edit for them to put in there own license |
| 22:58.46 | DTRemenak | ah, there |
| 22:58.54 | brlcad | persistent connections that do not go away |
| 22:59.02 | DTRemenak | that's not good |
| 22:59.05 | A_Meteorite | hmmm sounds doable, would you want it to upload the images into their own directory? |
| 22:59.39 | JeffM2501 | then when they submit, it sends an email to the admins, gives them a link to allow or deny. if it's allowed it puts the images in the folder, if not it sends the user an e-mail saying they weren't allowed and deletes them |
| 22:59.41 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 22:59.42 | brlcad | i noticed them when I was investigating an out of proc problem |
| 22:59.57 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, think it coudl be some sort of stats thing |
| 23:00.14 | CBG | JeffM2501: you really need all that..? |
| 23:00.19 | DTRemenak | brlcad: do you get the same problem on .bz also? you have a bunch of images hosted, right? |
| 23:00.31 | JeffM2501 | CBG, if we had that, then image submisions would be allmost automatic |
| 23:00.40 | JeffM2501 | and would get done very fast |
| 23:00.42 | DTRemenak | I mean, apache problem |
| 23:00.44 | brlcad | netstat | grep secret | wc |
| 23:00.45 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.15 | brlcad | 18 in a permanent CLOSE_WAIT state |
| 23:01.31 | DTRemenak | doesn't seem healthy |
| 23:01.33 | brlcad | I don't get the same problem |
| 23:02.17 | brlcad | could simply be a freebsd bug for that matter, the fact that they stay in a CLOSE_WAIT state, but it points at something bz's probably doing wrong with curl |
| 23:02.24 | DTRemenak | if it was resources, I'd expect you to be having the same problem. hm, or iirc you have apache restarting all the time anyway? |
| 23:02.55 | JeffM2501 | what on .bz would need my.b.o ? |
| 23:02.59 | brlcad | my apache 'issues' are ... unrelated |
| 23:03.00 | JeffM2501 | a map maybe? |
| 23:03.06 | JeffM2501 | well other then list server |
| 23:03.11 | brlcad | not sure |
| 23:03.15 | brlcad | could even simply be the list server |
| 23:03.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah they do use curl |
| 23:03.31 | DTRemenak | brlcad: yeah, but if apache is restarting, you wouldn't see connections held open to it like that, right? |
| 23:03.34 | menotume | does curl reuse connections ? |
| 23:04.41 | brlcad | DTRemenak: even before I started it restarting, the only stale CLOSE_WAIT connections were those to m.b.o |
| 23:04.51 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 23:04.58 | brlcad | i checked, cause I didnt know what they were at first |
| 23:05.15 | brlcad | interestingly enough, there are almost 18 bzfs running |
| 23:06.01 | DTRemenak | almost? :) |
| 23:06.07 | brlcad | which might hint at it being the list server handshake not shuting down cleanly |
| 23:06.08 | menotume | 17.7 |
| 23:06.14 | brlcad | 19 |
| 23:06.26 | DTRemenak | ah. all public? |
| 23:06.37 | brlcad | dunno |
| 23:06.39 | menotume | no |
| 23:06.45 | menotume | 1119 is private i think |
| 23:06.53 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: to prevent people from just uploading something and guessing the URL where it's stored temporarily (before it's approved/denyed) it needs to use a database |
| 23:07.01 | A_Meteorite | and, I'm working on it now.. :) |
| 23:07.12 | Tupone | CURLOPT_FORBID_REUSE should be tried |
| 23:07.16 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, yes |
| 23:07.23 | brlcad | A_Meteorite: or just don't drop files into the web root |
| 23:07.23 | JeffM2501 | or changed to like not png |
| 23:07.28 | JeffM2501 | or something |
| 23:07.34 | A_Meteorite | ah |
| 23:07.39 | A_Meteorite | k |
| 23:07.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:08.00 | JeffM2501 | there are many ways |
| 23:08.56 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (n=spldart@cpe-67-10-221-4.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 23:09.13 | JeffM2501 | personaly I don't care how it works on the backend, those are just the features I'd like to see |
| 23:09.20 | JeffM2501 | with those, it would be optimal |
| 23:09.25 | A_Meteorite | ok |
| 23:09.47 | JeffM2501 | then I could just do submisions every morning, bam, bam , bam. and be done with it |
| 23:09.51 | JeffM2501 | as well as could any dev |
| 23:09.54 | JeffM2501 | sorry admin |
| 23:10.03 | JeffM2501 | and it makes sure we get the info we need cus it's a form |
| 23:10.09 | A_Meteorite | heh, it would have to be sent to a central e-mail |
| 23:10.15 | A_Meteorite | righto |
| 23:10.18 | JeffM2501 | we could make a list |
| 23:10.20 | JeffM2501 | use a SF list |
| 23:10.25 | A_Meteorite | ahh |
| 23:10.35 | JeffM2501 | or just have your thing have it's own internal list of e-mails |
| 23:10.43 | A_Meteorite | I can just store the info in the e-mail |
| 23:10.48 | A_Meteorite | that way if anything comes up it's all there |
| 23:11.02 | JeffM2501 | the email shoudl have the image |
| 23:11.08 | JeffM2501 | or at least link to a page that can show the image |
| 23:11.09 | A_Meteorite | k |
| 23:11.09 | JeffM2501 | ether or |
| 23:11.21 | JeffM2501 | we need to see the image before we approve it |
| 23:11.30 | DTRemenak | connections are not closed until the cURLManager object is destroyed |
| 23:11.30 | JeffM2501 | that is the important part |
| 23:11.34 | A_Meteorite | ok |
| 23:11.44 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, that would not be good would it? |
| 23:11.53 | DTRemenak | and most of our http-using classes are DERIVED from cURLManager |
| 23:12.02 | DTRemenak | so as long as the class is around, the connection is around |
| 23:12.09 | *** join/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (n=Blue@host250-145.pool8260.interbusiness.it) |
| 23:12.15 | *** join/#bzflag triclops (n=triclops@203-217-88-218.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:12.15 | JeffM2501 | most of those are globals arn't they? |
| 23:12.24 | DTRemenak | listserverconnection is one |
| 23:15.01 | DTRemenak | motd is another |
| 23:15.36 | DTRemenak | that makes at least one waiting connection from each server and each client as long as they are running |
| 23:15.50 | DTRemenak | which could get ugly |
| 23:16.22 | JeffM2501 | one to SF, one to mybo |
| 23:16.30 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 23:16.43 | JeffM2501 | anyway we can kill that on the server? |
| 23:17.06 | DTRemenak | Tupone's on the right track with CURLOPT_FORBID_REUSE, I think |
| 23:17.36 | JeffM2501 | a solution that don't need a game update would be best |
| 23:17.40 | JeffM2501 | but that may not be possible |
| 23:17.50 | DTRemenak | no, it's not afaict |
| 23:18.01 | JeffM2501 | suck |
| 23:18.06 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.8 here we come :) |
| 23:18.07 | DTRemenak | killing the connection would cause the servers to be delisted and they'd just try to reconnect |
| 23:18.20 | DTRemenak | five minutes of peace |
| 23:18.28 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 23:18.35 | JeffM2501 | well if we have to update we have to update |
| 23:18.56 | DTRemenak | most of the other uses of curlmanager are deleted quickly |
| 23:18.58 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy (n=Legoguy@ppp-68-20-1-25.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 23:19.10 | JeffM2501 | the API has one, it may be global |
| 23:19.14 | brlcad | could explain the usage on mbo if the tcp tables just grow and grow |
| 23:19.21 | brlcad | might even explain some of the failures |
| 23:19.28 | DTRemenak | brlcad: that's kinda what I'm thinking here |
| 23:19.34 | brlcad | if all the sockets are in use |
| 23:20.04 | brlcad | they're being free'd up all the time, so a quick "try again" will likely work, but that would explain why every once in a while it fails outright |
| 23:21.36 | DTRemenak | heh, static std::vector<CachedTexture*> cachedTexVector; - CachedTexture is also derived from cURLManager |
| 23:21.40 | blast007 | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100976&aid=1376945&group_id=976 |
| 23:21.50 | blast007 | (about the CLOSE_WAIT issue) |
| 23:22.07 | DTRemenak | we seem to keep whole vectors of open connections to resource servers |
| 23:23.14 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy (n=Legoguy@ppp-68-20-1-25.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 23:23.17 | DTRemenak | no wonder we have problems |
| 23:23.29 | DTRemenak | I'm amazed we have as few as we do :S |
| 23:23.35 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (i=lan56@user-vcauudu.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 23:23.45 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 23:24.03 | JeffM2501 | so do we have to do an update? |
| 23:24.08 | DTRemenak | oh yeah |
| 23:24.15 | JeffM2501 | just do it as a new 2.0.6? |
| 23:24.18 | JeffM2501 | and tell everyone? |
| 23:24.22 | JeffM2501 | or mark it as 2.0.8? |
| 23:24.24 | DTRemenak | no |
| 23:24.24 | blast007 | 2.0.6 SE |
| 23:24.31 | A_Meteorite | 2.0.6.5 |
| 23:24.36 | A_Meteorite | "fixed major bugs" |
| 23:24.43 | DTRemenak | that'll invite confusion. better to do .8 |
| 23:24.44 | JeffM2501 | there is no fear in .8 if it's realy needed |
| 23:24.46 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:24.53 | DTRemenak | first gotta fix the thing |
| 23:24.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:24.56 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 23:25.01 | CBG | true, but it will look silly doing a 2.0.8 right after 2.0.6. |
| 23:25.11 | A_Meteorite | yeah, with nothing but this |
| 23:25.16 | JeffM2501 | CBG, we will explain the problem |
| 23:25.20 | A_Meteorite | people will go "why should I upgrade?" |
| 23:25.21 | DTRemenak | nothing wrong with looking silly |
| 23:25.32 | DTRemenak | and iirc there have been other changes |
| 23:25.36 | DTRemenak | jeff did an api thing |
| 23:25.43 | blast007 | CBG: we did a version once just because lightning took down the list server :P |
| 23:25.51 | JeffM2501 | we will pull .6 from SF |
| 23:25.51 | JeffM2501 | then they will have to get 8 |
| 23:25.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah I did |
| 23:25.52 | A_Meteorite | hehe |
| 23:25.55 | JeffM2501 | for the molez plugin |
| 23:26.05 | JeffM2501 | but it'll be a bug fix release |
| 23:26.08 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: it's not a .6 problem...it's a 2.x problem |
| 23:26.08 | JeffM2501 | i'll be fine |
| 23:26.12 | A_Meteorite | too bad I couldn't get my patch in... :) |
| 23:26.14 | CBG | blast007: heh... |
| 23:26.21 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, yeah but I don't want to pull the others |
| 23:26.28 | DTRemenak | no reason to pull .6 either |
| 23:26.30 | JeffM2501 | since there isn't any real dif |
| 23:26.35 | A_Meteorite | heh, it only half works anyways, it don't like spaces - need to re-write the parser |
| 23:26.50 | JeffM2501 | ok then I'll at least pull the .6 anouncement posts and links to it :) |
| 23:26.55 | JeffM2501 | when it's time |
| 23:26.58 | lan56 | blast007, I remember yesterday you said you might look into having bzadmin show *s in place of the typed password after you did some work or something, have you done any progress on this? |
| 23:27.07 | JeffM2501 | and we'll put the .8 download in MOTD |
| 23:27.11 | blast007 | lan56: I got it working for VC7.1 ;) |
| 23:27.13 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 23:27.22 | JeffM2501 | we didn't put .6 in motd |
| 23:27.24 | blast007 | but in GCC it's far from working |
| 23:27.25 | JeffM2501 | so that should help |
| 23:27.35 | lan56 | blast007, how come? |
| 23:27.46 | lan56 | did you use windows specific functions? |
| 23:27.46 | brlcad | .8 on the server is probably already needed due to the spawn bug |
| 23:27.48 | blast007 | not sure yet, still need to reinstall linux to test it |
| 23:27.52 | lan56 | ahh |
| 23:28.05 | lan56 | that sounds neat, good job |
| 23:28.17 | blast007 | I had brad do a Dev-Cpp build, and it was a tad messed up |
| 23:28.18 | Thumper_ | so would this explain the servers stalling and all the players going NR periodically |
| 23:28.20 | JeffM2501 | then we have plenty of reasons to do a .8 :) |
| 23:28.22 | Thumper_ | ? |
| 23:28.37 | brlcad | possibly |
| 23:28.46 | blast007 | Thumper_: it's possible, if the server is trying to send an update to the list |
| 23:28.46 | lan56 | blast007, people use dev-c++? :) |
| 23:28.52 | blast007 | lan56: yeah |
| 23:29.11 | Thumper_ | stuff like this: uread() discard packet! 69.163.210.42:51731 choices p(l) h:p 0(0-0) 69.28.129.166:51326 |
| 23:29.14 | brlcad | tries to contact the list and it's one of the few in a blue moon that gets a socket failure from mbo |
| 23:30.00 | blast007 | lan56: I used a combination of getch() and std::cout to do it...sorta hackish |
| 23:30.19 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy|L (n=Legoguy@ppp-68-20-1-25.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 23:30.20 | lan56 | actually that sounds fine to me |
| 23:30.24 | Thumper_ | that's waht I've seen |
| 23:30.31 | Thumper_ | a bunch of pending updates |
| 23:30.44 | blast007 | lan56: this is what I have so far... http://bz.porteighty.org/patches/bzadmin-password.patch |
| 23:30.45 | Thumper_ | then the discard packet msgs |
| 23:30.51 | Thumper_ | and everyone (or most players) go NR |
| 23:30.55 | Thumper_ | then it recovers a few minutes later |
| 23:31.16 | lan56 | conio.h? gcc blows up right there |
| 23:31.26 | blast007 | heh |
| 23:31.49 | blast007 | a reason I need to try it in linux |
| 23:31.53 | blast007 | see what the diferences are |
| 23:32.15 | DTRemenak | getch is ms/borland only |
| 23:32.17 | lan56 | right, I don't think any gcc ports have conio.h its a borland C++ thing IIRC |
| 23:32.26 | lan56 | what DTRemenak said :) |
| 23:32.27 | blast007 | DTRemenak: any alternative? |
| 23:32.33 | DTRemenak | blast007: curses :) |
| 23:32.36 | blast007 | hehe |
| 23:32.54 | blast007 | but some of the PDCurses stuff is b0rked for our wrapper |
| 23:33.03 | blast007 | the F2 thing still crashes |
| 23:33.12 | DTRemenak | yeah, need to fix that |
| 23:33.22 | lan56 | blast007, what in conio.h is required by that patch? |
| 23:33.31 | blast007 | lan56: getch() |
| 23:33.41 | lan56 | getchar() is an ANSI version |
| 23:33.47 | lan56 | tho I don't know its similiarites |
| 23:33.54 | blast007 | but it outputs what the user types |
| 23:33.59 | blast007 | getch doesn't |
| 23:34.09 | lan56 | ahh |
| 23:34.40 | JeffM2501 | ok so curl fix, curses fix, spawn fix, any other big ones we should do now that we know we are gonna do one? |
| 23:34.41 | DTRemenak | blast007: I'm serious about curses though...man 3 getch |
| 23:34.52 | blast007 | DTRemenak: right |
| 23:35.03 | blast007 | just a bit more work ;) |
| 23:35.15 | blast007 | it prompts before the curses is used |
| 23:35.56 | JeffM2501 | wow, so SF must like hate us |
| 23:36.10 | JeffM2501 | cus we keep like 200+ connections to them open ALL the time |
| 23:36.13 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yeah, no kidding - one connection for each running client :) |
| 23:36.13 | JeffM2501 | for MOTD |
| 23:36.16 | blast007 | lol |
| 23:36.27 | eXtreme | spawns are fixed? |
| 23:36.39 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: m.b.o has it worse though. did you see my message about CachedTexture? |
| 23:36.39 | JeffM2501 | watch after this patch SF wep pages start being faser |
| 23:36.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah the vector |
| 23:36.51 | blast007 | JeffM2501: that would be funny :) |
| 23:37.04 | JeffM2501 | .bz must have it hard too |
| 23:37.09 | JeffM2501 | as most of loumans' stuff is there |
| 23:37.28 | DTRemenak | brlcad was saying he didn't see that problem at all there |
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| 23:37.39 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
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| 23:38.01 | JeffM2501 | arn't most of loumans' textures at treapan.bzflag.bz? |
| 23:38.11 | Thumper_ | most of them |
| 23:38.24 | JeffM2501 | and his maps use more then a few, and are rather popular |
| 23:38.29 | DTRemenak | yeah |
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| 23:39.09 | DTRemenak | maybe cachedtexture cleans up after itself? I didn't look for free's of the vector's components |
| 23:39.09 | trepan | his popular map (lasermania) has few if any custom textures |
| 23:39.33 | CBG | Not actually all that popular. Any new map he releases will be high on the list for a short while, but other than that, only LaserMania is particularly popular and that doesn't use any textures, afaik. |
| 23:39.52 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 23:40.22 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:40.30 | JeffM2501 | then maybe it just ebbs and flows |
| 23:40.36 | JeffM2501 | he just did desk |
| 23:40.42 | JeffM2501 | maybe .bz will see an increase |
| 23:40.45 | DTRemenak | and .bz has an apache reset every hour |
| 23:40.51 | JeffM2501 | ahhhh |
| 23:41.08 | JeffM2501 | maybe we should do that on mybo for a bit :) |
| 23:41.16 | JeffM2501 | or would that screw the list? |
| 23:41.17 | DTRemenak | won't help much on m.b.o |
| 23:41.21 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:41.26 | DTRemenak | servers will reconnect in 5 mins or less |
| 23:41.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's allmost 200 connections just siting there |
| 23:42.24 | JeffM2501 | too bad there is no way to force server owners to upgrade |
| 23:42.38 | DTRemenak | ah yeah, cachedtexturevector is cleared when texture downloads are all complete |
| 23:42.51 | DTRemenak | so they don't hang around |
| 23:42.52 | JeffM2501 | well that's good at least |
| 23:42.59 | DTRemenak | just motd and listserverlink |
| 23:43.17 | DTRemenak | ~bzflist |
| 23:43.21 | JeffM2501 | so 250ish to SF, and probalby like 500 on mybo |
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| 23:43.45 | JeffM2501 | does the client destroy the list server connection? |
| 23:43.49 | JeffM2501 | when it joins? |
| 23:43.49 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 23:43.54 | JeffM2501 | ok so just servers then |
| 23:44.03 | DTRemenak | it's created by the menu, and destroyed when the menu is dismissed |
| 23:44.07 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:44.26 | JeffM2501 | how many sockets does my.b.o have before it runs out? |
| 23:44.35 | blast007 | so the client doesn't have any issues like that? |
| 23:44.39 | blast007 | just the server? |
| 23:44.47 | DTRemenak | blast007: client holds motd connections open |
| 23:44.52 | blast007 | ah, okay |
| 23:44.54 | DTRemenak | but they're to sf.net |
| 23:44.57 | blast007 | yeah |
| 23:45.53 | blast007 | would turning off KeepAlive on apache fix this? |
| 23:46.12 | DTRemenak | doubt it |
| 23:46.30 | DTRemenak | not really sure if this is the big issue anyway. 200 connections is not a whole terrible lot |
| 23:46.55 | JeffM2501 | sometimes I wonder if it's the stat sites |
| 23:46.57 | blast007 | the cpu was having a real hard time with something, and apache was at the top of the list |
| 23:47.20 | DTRemenak | what does apache spend its time on? |
| 23:47.33 | JeffM2501 | watching matlock |
| 23:47.35 | blast007 | probably simulating 100 Solitare games |
| 23:47.37 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
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| 23:52.07 | JeffM2501 | well I hope my dad's friend apreciates a faster computer.. goin from a 1.8 gig P4 to a 2800 semperon :) |
| 23:52.15 | DTRemenak | woo |
| 23:52.16 | JeffM2501 | and on that note, DTRemenak need a 1.8 gig P4? |
| 23:52.20 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 23:52.22 | DTRemenak | heh! |
| 23:52.52 | DTRemenak | probably faster than my 1700, but I think I'll be going to fry's tomorrow - might pick up something 64-ish |
| 23:53.02 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:53.16 | JeffM2501 | the 3500's are usualy good deal |
| 23:53.27 | JeffM2501 | they are dumping them cus the 3800x2s are replacing them |
| 23:53.32 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 23:53.47 | JeffM2501 | gonna go PCI-E? |
| 23:53.56 | DTRemenak | totally |
| 23:54.02 | JeffM2501 | cool what card? |
| 23:54.02 | DTRemenak | if I get something |
| 23:54.09 | DTRemenak | prolly 6600 |
| 23:54.14 | JeffM2501 | they work ok |
| 23:54.22 | DTRemenak | got a different suggestion? |
| 23:54.33 | JeffM2501 | if you can swing it, 6800GS |
| 23:54.46 | JeffM2501 | at least try to get 256megs of ram |
| 23:54.49 | JeffM2501 | it REALY helps |
| 23:54.59 | DTRemenak | I'll see what's marked down :) |
| 23:55.00 | JeffM2501 | even on a 6600 |
| 23:55.23 | DTRemenak | it's an upgrade from a ti4200/64, so I can't really go too badly wrong :) |
| 23:57.21 | JeffM2501 | tha ad dosn't show much on the AMD line |
| 23:57.47 | JeffM2501 | they have a P4 630 and mobo with an ATI X200 onboard for 169 |
| 23:58.07 | JeffM2501 | sempy 2800 and mobo for 70$ |
| 23:58.15 | DTRemenak | not looking for intel+ati really :) |
| 23:58.23 | JeffM2501 | didn't think so |
| 23:58.32 | JeffM2501 | oooo and a radeon 7000.. for 10$ |
| 23:58.39 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 23:58.49 | JeffM2501 | you may want to wait for the friday ad |
| 23:58.56 | DTRemenak | if intel+nvidia was somehow amazingly a better value than amd+nvidia, I might go for it |
| 23:59.11 | DTRemenak | but I'm not thinking intel's gonna cut their prices in half by tomorrow |
| 23:59.13 | JeffM2501 | they do have a good deal on ram |
| 23:59.22 | JeffM2501 | 150$ in store for 2 1 gig dimms |
