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| 00:00.10 | cplusplus | hi |
| 00:00.18 | cplusplus | does someone use curl? |
| 00:00.25 | JeffM2501 | bzflag uses curl |
| 00:02.40 | cplusplus | did you ever send a post request to a https server with curl? |
| 00:02.59 | JeffM2501 | I don't think bzflag does that anywhere in it's code |
| 00:03.17 | JeffM2501 | but I don't see why it would not work, if the lib was built with SSL support |
| 00:03.43 | cplusplus | do you mean curl? |
| 00:03.53 | JeffM2501 | oh the app |
| 00:04.01 | JeffM2501 | no we use libcurl |
| 00:04.27 | cplusplus | sry i have to look for bzflag...dont know it |
| 00:05.01 | cplusplus | somth to do with sdl? |
| 00:06.48 | JeffM2501 | why woudl you come to our channel if you don't know about bzflag? |
| 00:06.50 | CBG | cplusplus: you're in #bzflag... |
| 00:07.39 | CBG | In short; BZFlag is a free multiplayer multiplatform 3D tank battle game. |
| 00:07.55 | JeffM2501 | this is not a general support channel |
| 00:08.10 | JeffM2501 | perhaps a channel about the product you are using would be better |
| 00:11.55 | cplusplus | i thought here are users which use curl.. |
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| 00:14.59 | JeffM2501 | umm no |
| 00:15.03 | JeffM2501 | this channel is about a game |
| 00:15.09 | JeffM2501 | perhaps #curl |
| 00:21.18 | cplusplus | okk |
| 00:21.26 | cplusplus | is it a new game? |
| 00:21.32 | cplusplus | i dont know it..crazy |
| 00:22.12 | Scorch | bzflag.org |
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| 00:22.22 | JeffM2501 | no it's actualy 14 years old |
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| 01:40.25 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 01:40.25 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: change the title graphic to reflect new version and dev status. |
| 01:40.25 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: re-add additive blending so we can make the required mods. |
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| 01:54.20 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (17 files in 4 dirs): move what was "high" quality down to "medium", move what was "experemental" to "high". leave additive blending on experimental ( because it is ). Added #defs for the quality numbers to make it easyer to read. |
| 01:54.51 | JeffM2501 | let the world buy hardware! :) |
| 01:55.06 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: hehe |
| 01:56.42 | JeffM2501 | they can still run in low if they wanted to |
| 01:56.49 | JeffM2501 | but I think most people ran in expereimental |
| 01:56.53 | A_Meteorite | I did |
| 01:57.00 | A_Meteorite | the effects overpowered me |
| 01:57.00 | JeffM2501 | so it's not so "experiemetnal" anymore |
| 01:57.10 | JeffM2501 | that is why they are on a seperate setting |
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| 02:36.17 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat for casual chat || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is now 2.1 unstable, use it for new commits || Version 2.0.6 Released - v2_0_6 tag in CVS or grab from sf.net |
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| 02:39.29 | spldart | hrm |
| 02:43.05 | PuMpErNiCkLe | crowbar |
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| 02:57.49 | shorty114 | guu |
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| 03:36.00 | JeffM2501 | damn... I had more ideas on the way home in the truck :( |
| 03:38.35 | a-delusion | any jewels in the chaff? |
| 03:39.22 | JeffM2501 | fatboy plugin :) |
| 03:40.29 | JeffM2501 | change it so tanks change size on a server message |
| 03:40.51 | JeffM2501 | then let the server handle the size changes from the flags |
| 03:40.59 | JeffM2501 | then you can have a plugin that sets the size on anything |
| 03:41.03 | JeffM2501 | like score :) |
| 03:41.04 | a-delusion | lol cbg just left |
| 03:41.35 | JeffM2501 | then that also means that the server says when the time is up on a bad flag, and sends the drop message |
| 03:41.54 | JeffM2501 | so if a client sends a drop before it's time, we know they are cheating :) |
| 03:42.07 | a-delusion | sounds like a plan |
| 03:42.52 | JeffM2501 | fatboy is fun |
| 03:43.14 | a-delusion | i find cbg more annoying than fun |
| 03:43.20 | JeffM2501 | be nice |
| 03:44.14 | JeffM2501 | fatboy is where you make the person with the highest score larger |
| 03:44.20 | JeffM2501 | so they are easyer to hit |
| 03:44.26 | a-delusion | ah, now i see |
| 03:44.27 | JeffM2501 | neg scores get smaller |
| 03:44.45 | JeffM2501 | or some do it based on the spree length |
| 03:44.49 | JeffM2501 | can have both modes |
| 03:45.01 | JeffM2501 | so your GM campers get huge |
| 03:45.05 | JeffM2501 | and become easy targets |
| 03:45.13 | JeffM2501 | and can't fit thru teleporters :) |
| 03:45.21 | a-delusion | that does sound promising.. my experience setting tanksizes, is it doesnt take effect until the player rejoins |
| 03:45.32 | JeffM2501 | that's why we make it a message |
| 03:45.36 | JeffM2501 | so the server just tells everyone |
| 03:45.46 | JeffM2501 | right now it's based on a flag |
| 03:45.52 | JeffM2501 | and not sent directly |
| 03:46.03 | a-delusion | i get it |
| 03:46.19 | JeffM2501 | so the client never knows how to set the size |
| 03:46.25 | JeffM2501 | it just knows how to display the size it gets |
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| 03:47.08 | a-delusion | you'll need a different tankradius for each player? |
| 03:47.16 | JeffM2501 | no just one |
| 03:47.19 | JeffM2501 | scaled by the size :) |
| 03:47.29 | a-delusion | tie them together..\ |
| 03:47.29 | JeffM2501 | it's a simple comutation |
| 03:47.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:47.42 | JeffM2501 | all the bounding info gets tied to the size |
| 03:47.43 | JeffM2501 | as it should be |
| 03:48.16 | JeffM2501 | and the server now knows your exact size at any time |
| 03:48.22 | JeffM2501 | and can use that for hit checks |
| 03:48.40 | a-delusion | that does sound promising as a way to level the feild for all skill levels |
| 03:48.52 | JeffM2501 | and it's just fun as hell |
| 03:49.30 | JeffM2501 | they had it in the first UT |
| 03:51.24 | a-delusion | is it possible that a tank near the edges of the world extent could be pushed outside, when his size suddenly expands |
| 03:52.00 | a-delusion | or stuck between blocks, that'll be hard to eliminate |
| 03:52.20 | QBeep | What about changing them on spawn? |
| 03:52.44 | a-delusion | problem solved |
| 03:53.42 | JeffM2501 | we'll just make it so they slide over |
| 03:53.54 | JeffM2501 | and geting stuck is the problem with being fat :) |
| 03:54.07 | JeffM2501 | you don't want to get too fat |
| 03:54.20 | JeffM2501 | and you only get fat by killing |
| 03:55.07 | JeffM2501 | same problems can happen now if you are tiny and drop the flag in "bad" places |
| 03:55.29 | a-delusion | changing them on spawn would work well |
| 03:55.35 | JeffM2501 | then it's not the same |
| 03:55.44 | JeffM2501 | you don't change tiny size when you spawn do you? |
| 03:55.53 | JeffM2501 | the problem has to be solved, you just can't hide from it |
| 03:56.15 | a-delusion | i can, you can't |
| 03:56.27 | JeffM2501 | got a totaly new protocoll to work with here we can make it do what ever we want |
| 03:56.42 | a-delusion | true, very true |
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| 04:01.39 | PuMpErNiCkLe | weird... running bzflag with strace shows like a million lines of "gettimeofday({1144727912, 891322}, NULL) = 0" every second |
| 04:02.03 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Is that normal? o_O |
| 04:02.56 | JeffM2501 | server or client? |
| 04:03.03 | PuMpErNiCkLe | client |
| 04:03.20 | PuMpErNiCkLe | 2.0.6, compiled by me, gcc 4.0.3, on ubuntu unstable |
| 04:03.36 | JeffM2501 | timekeeper calls it during getCurrent |
| 04:03.38 | JeffM2501 | that's called a lot |
| 04:04.08 | PuMpErNiCkLe | a lot is an understatement :) |
| 04:04.21 | JeffM2501 | a lot of functions need the current time |
| 04:04.29 | JeffM2501 | but yeah, it's overkill |
| 04:04.46 | purple_cow | might be worth it to call once per loop and cache the result? |
| 04:04.47 | JeffM2501 | not how I'd do it |
| 04:04.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's what we should do |
| 04:07.36 | purple_cow | would be a really simple change too :) |
| 04:08.07 | purple_cow | like...so simple, i'm actually tempted to do it right now |
| 04:08.07 | JeffM2501 | comeon purpie, it'll be your one change for 2.2 :) |
| 04:08.16 | JeffM2501 | then you can be guilt free |
| 04:08.19 | PuMpErNiCkLe | woop... 5 seconds in strace generates 6.3 MB of logfile :o |
| 04:08.40 | purple_cow | hey, i got a few commits into 2.0.6 |
| 04:09.00 | JeffM2501 | and it's done, so now do your one for 2.2 ;) |
| 04:09.35 | purple_cow | well' i should probably make those changes in 2.2 as well |
| 04:09.55 | purple_cow | arg |
| 04:10.07 | purple_cow | one day i shall stop typing ' instead of , |
| 04:10.18 | JeffM2501 | how long ago were your changes? |
| 04:10.27 | JeffM2501 | updates from branch were done every so often |
| 04:12.47 | PuMpErNiCkLe | 5.4 MB of "sched_yield() = 0" |
| 04:13.20 | PuMpErNiCkLe | 128385 lines |
| 04:14.56 | blast007 | okay, I spawned on top of an enemy tank on a 2.0.6 server ;) |
| 04:15.11 | blast007 | while my teammate was shooting at them, so they shot me |
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| 04:28.33 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (10 files in 4 dirs): |
| 04:28.33 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: rename FFA and CTF game modes, to be more descriptive. |
| 04:28.33 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: start adding "true FFA" |
| 04:41.21 | JeffM2501 | so who's for changing the coding style to BSD style? :) |
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| 04:49.19 | JeffM2501 | ok.. how about who's not for changing to BSD style? |
| 04:50.49 | QBeep | Don't everybody start talking at once... |
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| 05:18.14 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ...BSD style? As opposed to what? |
| 05:19.53 | JeffM2501 | what we have now |
| 05:20.04 | JeffM2501 | our stuff now is more K&R style |
| 05:21.57 | PuMpErNiCkLe | hmm |
| 05:23.15 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Never really bothered with official styles, but I think what little code I've written has been more Whitesmiths than anything else. |
| 05:23.32 | PuMpErNiCkLe | seems logical to me - ymmv |
| 05:27.06 | purple_cow | whitesmiths? haven't heard of that one |
| 05:28.17 | trepan | like bsd/allman, put indent the braces as well |
| 05:28.22 | trepan | s/put/but |
| 05:31.58 | trepan | butt ugly, somebody spending a little too much time in ws indent land trying to code with braces |
| 05:38.25 | JeffM2501 | never liked tto put to many indents on the braces |
| 05:40.35 | JeffM2501 | hey brlcad where do I change spawn policies? |
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| 05:48.03 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (10 files in 4 dirs): |
| 05:48.04 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: add "true ffa", a teamless mode where it's everyone for themselves, team is just used for tank |
| 05:48.04 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: color. No team kills, no team messages, no team score,,no geno, just pure blasting. |
| 05:48.04 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: Bump proto to 37, and rev to 2.1.7 |
| 05:57.23 | lan56 | hows that different than setting up a classic ffa with rogues only and no geno/certain flags? |
| 06:00.51 | JeffM2501 | it looks cooler :) |
| 06:00.54 | JeffM2501 | and I'm not done |
| 06:00.58 | JeffM2501 | going to add more colors |
| 06:01.07 | JeffM2501 | and it takes out teamchat |
| 06:01.18 | JeffM2501 | and even the display of teams |
| 06:01.31 | JeffM2501 | all black tanks is booring |
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| 06:07.06 | lan56 | ahh ok |
| 06:12.28 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (46 files in 2 dirs): move the color based images into a skins folder. split them based on color |
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| 06:16.24 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/skins/Makefile.am: skins dir |
| 06:18.08 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/skins/red/ (8 files): red |
| 06:21.06 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/skins/ (43 files in 7 dirs): the rest |
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| 07:16.40 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 07:16.40 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: experimental mode fires new geometry based round laser (geo-laser), |
| 07:16.40 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: it looks kinda cool |
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| 11:42.21 | Scorch | . |
| 11:46.00 | Mr_Molez | .. |
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| 12:24.14 | brlcad | Saturos: couldn't find you when it came time to release, but I went ahead with #23 |
| 12:24.31 | Saturos | What? :D |
| 12:24.35 | brlcad | thanks again for the pretty art, worked out well |
| 12:24.39 | Saturos | Ah, the bzart. |
| 12:24.59 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Umm, code by me was first used in 2005, not 2006 |
| 12:25.02 | brlcad | for the Mac OS installer image background |
| 12:25.09 | Saturos | I made one and told the others to make sure you get it. |
| 12:25.35 | brlcad | nobody made sure I got it :) |
| 12:25.39 | brlcad | ToughShooter: ok |
| 12:26.06 | Saturos | http://saturos.de/projects/upload/files/512x384.png |
| 12:26.21 | Saturos | That was the one you should receive. :) |
| 12:30.14 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/AUTHORS: stauer contributed in 2005, move vuorio up since he was earlier 2005 |
| 12:30.16 | brlcad | ahh |
| 12:30.30 | brlcad | actually, i might have seen it now that I think of it ;) |
| 12:30.49 | brlcad | but nobody remembered when it came time, including myself |
| 12:31.06 | brlcad | I actually think 23 worked out pretty goood |
| 12:32.23 | brlcad | df -k |
| 12:32.34 | brlcad | hm, that won't work here will it |
| 12:37.42 | Saturos | I can try the final myself... my father has a mac. :) |
| 12:38.51 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/images/dmg-2.0.6.png |
| 12:39.13 | Saturos | Good. |
| 12:39.45 | Saturos | You shouldn't have put the "artwork by Saturos". :) |
| 12:39.50 | brlcad | credit where credit is due, why not |
| 12:40.46 | Saturos | I am not a fan of such obvious credits, they ruin the athomsphere the image creates. If they are in a txt somewhere, its nice... but not on the image itself. Doesnt matter too much though. ;) |
| 12:41.17 | brlcad | i've always believed in giving people credit for their work, and taking the time to make sure people are credited (within reason) -- especially where there is little downside and lots to gain |
| 12:42.12 | brlcad | i believe it's important that the dmg background credit the image creator if only because it shows _others_ that they can get involved |
| 12:42.40 | Saturos | Okay, thats a point. |
| 12:43.04 | brlcad | if this was for an image gallery, I'd agree -- it's a byline that would go underneath or in some additional text |
| 12:43.38 | brlcad | also wouldn't pollute the image with the "drag icon.." text in that case |
| 12:44.09 | Saturos | Yeah... you are right. |
| 12:44.39 | Saturos | Are you "the" mac-developer or can I ask something related to windows? |
| 12:45.29 | brlcad | i'm not sure if I'm "the" mac dev, but I am a dev .. depends on the question, best to just ask :) |
| 12:45.37 | Saturos | strayer just icqed me that he has display-problems with 2.0.6 on windows2000. > http://strayer.de/snippets/screen_206.jpg |
| 12:46.10 | brlcad | wow, messed up textures |
| 12:46.11 | Saturos | He says the 2.0.5-betas worked fine. |
| 12:46.37 | brlcad | did he compile that himself? |
| 12:46.46 | brlcad | and has he tried removing his config? |
| 12:46.46 | Saturos | nope |
| 12:47.01 | Saturos | He is coming here... better you talk to him directly. |
| 12:49.00 | CBG | bah @ a-delusion |
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| 13:01.57 | Chestal | I told him to use the bitmap font renderer, fixes the font problem at least. He's not using textures anyway |
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| 13:04.20 | brlcad | hard to tell from the capture, but it also looked like textures were horked, not just font rendering |
| 13:04.35 | brlcad | but if that fixed it, good enough :) |
| 13:05.05 | strayer | gna...not really a new optical feature |
| 13:06.39 | Chestal | brlcad: well, yes, probably the Display Lists for textures are messed up. But with tetxures turned off, the txtured are only used for the font rendering (and the menu cursor). And the first can be fixed by switching to my great (;-) bitmap font renderer |
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| 13:26.24 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/AUTHORS: add a section in the special thanks for the various disk mounting image backround providers |
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| 13:48.03 | Mr_Molez | has 2.1 the capability to have bots server side yet ? |
| 13:49.16 | _Manu_ | nope |
| 13:53.07 | brlcad | sure, edit the code |
| 13:53.19 | brlcad | it also can make toast |
| 13:53.35 | Mr_Molez | it wont be able to make a good joke if your the coder ;) |
| 13:55.29 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 13:56.22 | _Manu_ | it also can clean your car :) |
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| 14:05.32 | Mr_Molez | so I take the childish sarcasm to mean no, ok |
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| 14:07.31 | Teppic | Yep, but thats what gcc is for. |
| 14:07.58 | Mr_Molez | aint it always the truth |
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| 15:23.37 | huwnet | Hi. Is 2.0.6 the final release in the 2.0 line or is the v2_branch still going to be updated? |
| 15:24.10 | Mr_Molez | undecided yet :P hopefully it will be the last :) |
| 15:24.18 | huwnet | ok thanks |
| 15:25.13 | huwnet | cvs [checkout aborted]: no such tag v2_0_6 :( |
| 15:25.25 | Mr_Molez | ~cvs |
| 15:25.27 | ibot | cvs stands for concurrent versions systems. more info here http://www.cvshome.org/. The asterisk CVS can be found at http://asterisk.espia-net.net/horde/chora/cvs.php. It is also Giving.....you.....the.......source......one..........bit.........at..............a.....................time. |
| 15:25.32 | Mr_Molez | uhhuh |
| 15:25.34 | Mr_Molez | ~bzcvs |
| 15:25.35 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 15:25.47 | huwnet | Released - v2_0_6 tag in CVS or grab from sf.net |
| 15:26.03 | Mr_Molez | its not v2_0_6 its v2_0branch |
| 15:26.10 | huwnet | right ok |
| 15:26.32 | Mr_Molez | or you could grab from sf sure |
| 15:26.39 | Mr_Molez | not much difference :P |
| 15:27.52 | blast007 | anon CVS isn't synced yet |
| 15:28.01 | brad2901 | it is v2_0_6 isn't it? |
| 15:28.03 | blast007 | it's still like 2 weeks old |
| 15:28.08 | blast007 | so no v2_0_6 tag yet |
| 15:28.25 | brad2901 | oh for anon |
| 15:28.30 | blast007 | yeah :) |
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| 16:25.37 | Mr_Molez | ~bzflist |
| 16:26.32 | ruskie | viper2 O.o |
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| 16:34.02 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I moved some files in the data dir in head, I updated the make files but I'm not sure I did them right, you may want to look over them when you have a chance |
| 16:36.02 | ruskie | gaaahhhh bzflag keeps segfaulting after I connect and id |
| 16:41.41 | ruskie | gaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 16:42.02 | brad2901 | TFFA? |
| 16:42.17 | ruskie | Team free-for-all I guess |
| 16:42.27 | JeffM2501 | Ture free-for-all |
| 16:42.33 | JeffM2501 | the default FFA is allrady team |
| 16:42.39 | JeffM2501 | no teams |
| 16:42.43 | JeffM2501 | no team kills |
| 16:42.46 | JeffM2501 | no geno |
| 16:42.46 | brad2901 | so true FFA is just rogues? |
| 16:42.53 | JeffM2501 | you can be any color |
| 16:42.56 | brad2901 | ah |
| 16:43.01 | JeffM2501 | so it's not just all black tanks |
| 16:43.20 | JeffM2501 | no team chat |
| 16:43.23 | JeffM2501 | stuff like that |
| 16:43.26 | brad2901 | so you can kill tanks the same colour as yourself? |
| 16:43.29 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 16:43.32 | brad2901 | k |
| 16:43.48 | JeffM2501 | and when I'm done, you won't get the TK hud warning when you sight them |
| 16:44.06 | brad2901 | :) |
| 16:44.21 | JeffM2501 | still have to make sure you can lock on them |
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| 16:44.42 | ruskie | http://b7fd0dfb0c65cae5.paste.se/ <-- /me cries... |
| 16:45.08 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, why are you still using old version? |
| 16:45.25 | ruskie | erm??? |
| 16:45.44 | Mr_Molez | I thought the flag spawn bug was fixed ? Why do i still get the problem in 2.0.6 ? |
| 16:46.07 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, your on 2.0.5 |
| 16:46.11 | JeffM2501 | you don't hasve current code |
| 16:46.21 | ruskie | I updated v2_0branch today |
| 16:46.28 | JeffM2501 | anon cvs is out of date |
| 16:46.31 | JeffM2501 | use the tarball |
| 16:46.43 | JeffM2501 | your not using 2.0.6 |
| 16:47.09 | JeffM2501 | the png probs were fixed in 2.0.6 |
| 16:47.14 | ruskie | ahhh |
| 16:47.25 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, you playing on a 2.0.5 server? |
| 16:47.50 | ruskie | thanks |
| 16:47.53 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 16:47.57 | Mr_Molez | im runnning a 2.0.5 server using cvs code from about a 2 weeks ago |
| 16:48.13 | JeffM2501 | then maybe it dosn't have the fix, or the problem you see is not the same one that was fixed |
| 16:48.56 | Mr_Molez | the problem is well known, I thought it was fixed ages ago |
| 16:49.03 | JeffM2501 | then you tought wrong |
| 16:49.21 | JeffM2501 | is there a changelog item for it? |
| 16:49.25 | Mr_Molez | yeh I guess i expect too much |
| 16:49.44 | Mr_Molez | I dont even know how it is described, ill go look |
| 16:49.47 | JeffM2501 | IIRC the changelog is made from CVS now, so it shoudl have all things |
| 16:50.35 | menotume | Mr_Molez: no, i don't think it was fixed |
| 16:50.44 | Mr_Molez | figures |
| 16:51.37 | JeffM2501 | that is after I do some more of the "fun" changes :) |
| 16:52.16 | Mr_Molez | shouldn't this be priority ? this bug has been around since 2.0 hasnt it ? |
| 16:52.36 | JeffM2501 | then it was probalby not changed, so that all versions have the same behavor |
| 16:52.44 | JeffM2501 | some bugs become legacy behavor |
| 16:53.06 | menotume | Mr_Molez: It only seems to happen on ducati (random maps) |
| 16:53.08 | JeffM2501 | if it woudl screw up the sate if one client had it work and another didn't, then we can't fix it till a proto break |
| 16:53.38 | Mr_Molez | poor ducati players :( |
| 16:53.42 | menotume | :) |
| 16:53.58 | menotume | is hard to reproduce too (sort of) |
| 16:54.06 | Mr_Molez | not on my server |
| 16:54.18 | Mr_Molez | seems to do it after rejoining 5 times or so (with no people on) |
| 16:54.22 | JeffM2501 | well if it's a server side bug, go fix it :) |
| 16:55.04 | Mr_Molez | why do people keep telling me to fix and code things myself, all i want to do is complain about them :) |
| 16:55.16 | menotume | Mr_Molez: is that a match server or public ? |
| 16:55.23 | Mr_Molez | menotume: both:) |
| 16:55.35 | menotume | if public, use -g option and put it in a looping shell script |
| 16:57.29 | menotume | hmmm, now that i think of it, i've never seen the problem on the DUB public server |
| 16:57.49 | Mr_Molez | i have |
| 16:57.57 | JeffM2501 | maybe it's part of the if (molez) codes I put in there |
| 16:57.57 | menotume | really ? |
| 16:57.58 | Mr_Molez | unless it was tlz server,, hmm |
| 16:58.05 | Mr_Molez | either tlz or dub |
| 16:58.24 | menotume | myabe it has something to do with 'gameover' then |
| 16:58.50 | Mr_Molez | Oo |
| 16:59.11 | Mr_Molez | but that dont explain it doing it for public ports ? |
| 16:59.18 | menotume | nope |
| 16:59.40 | Mr_Molez | did this happen in 10.8 ? |
| 16:59.48 | menotume | no |
| 16:59.54 | Mr_Molez | ah k |
| 17:00.00 | menotume | it started somewhere after 2.0.4 i think |
| 17:00.41 | menotume | Pimpinella would probably know |
| 17:00.53 | Mr_Molez | ill cope with it for now |
| 17:01.08 | Pimpinella | ? |
| 17:01.20 | menotume | he's alive :) |
| 17:01.34 | menotume | Pimpinella: we're talking about the flag spawn bug |
| 17:01.44 | menotume | actually flag/tank spawn bug |
| 17:01.59 | Pimpinella | happened after 2.0.2 iirc |
| 17:02.00 | menotume | do you you remember when it started happening |
| 17:02.04 | menotume | right |
| 17:02.28 | menotume | have you ever seen it on 5154 or 5156 ? |
| 17:02.35 | menotume | or just match servers ? |
| 17:02.46 | Birdie | public servers to |
| 17:02.55 | Pimpinella | ack |
| 17:02.56 | Birdie | if a lost flag can count also |
| 17:03.14 | Birdie | cause i'm not sure if it happened on public servers or not:( |
| 17:03.21 | menotume | no, that may be a different one |
| 17:03.34 | menotume | i've also seen flag on top of building - very rare though |
| 17:03.41 | Mr_Molez | i seen that :P |
| 17:03.48 | Birdie | that was sox cheating:) |
| 17:03.54 | menotume | heh |
| 17:03.58 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 17:04.19 | Birdie | oh btw i remember needing to do /superkill on public servers |
| 17:04.23 | Pimpinella | however it vanished at some point and i don't think anybody fixed it intentiously |
| 17:04.33 | Birdie | cause of one bug, so thats propably the flag on different places one |
| 17:04.52 | menotume | hmmm |
| 17:05.02 | Pimpinella | or who fixed it? |
| 17:05.19 | Mr_Molez | it aint fixed, your probably just getting lucky |
| 17:05.53 | Pimpinella | at least it only happens rarely now |
| 17:06.03 | Mr_Molez | seems like every time i dont go to my ports for a few days, when i turn up i have to do superkill |
| 17:06.05 | Pimpinella | it used to happen several times a day |
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| 17:06.50 | menotume | brlcad, the piddler: Preparing build ... src/net/Makefile.am:3: BUGGY_MIPSPRO does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL |
| 17:06.50 | menotume | ERROR: automake failed |
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| 17:08.19 | cosmos | hrm |
| 17:08.38 | Mr_Molez | bbl |
| 17:09.24 | Pimpinella | ty brad2901 |
| 17:10.13 | brlcad | erp |
| 17:10.37 | brlcad | grr.. I grep'd for BUGGY_MIPSPRO.. must have missed it |
| 17:11.22 | menotume | :) |
| 17:11.39 | menotume | piddler ! :P |
| 17:12.18 | bryjen | #define BUGGY_BRLCAD 1 |
| 17:13.02 | menotume | hehe |
| 17:13.38 | JeffM2501 | so how do we get bzflag to run on my video iPod? |
| 17:13.39 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 17:15.23 | brlcad | screen capture a session to avi :) |
| 17:16.17 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:24.42 | JeffM2501 | but doom2 can run on it;) |
| 17:30.40 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/geometry/LaserSceneNode.cxx: cleanup the sizes on the geolaser, and add a little energy bulge on rico |
| 17:41.27 | bryjen | or maybe it was quake |
| 17:44.29 | Teppic | what is bzfrelay |
| 17:45.48 | bryjen | it _was_ a utility to forward bz connections to a server behind a firewall. it _is_ no more. |
| 17:46.10 | Teppic | thx |
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| 17:52.59 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is more like doom then it is like quake ;) |
| 17:53.08 | JeffM2501 | no tilting, flat floors.... |
| 17:53.45 | Tupone | JeffM2501: I still like a wiki more, a good wiki. I hope brlcad or learner open a mediawiki |
| 17:54.11 | JeffM2501 | I would use the wiiki more if it wasn't a pain to login |
| 17:54.29 | JeffM2501 | I would use it a LOT more if it worked better :) |
| 17:54.38 | Tupone | mediawiki is great |
| 17:54.50 | JeffM2501 | it would use it a TON more if it worked better, and we could lock pages to only be editable by developers |
| 17:55.07 | Tupone | mediawiki can |
| 17:55.08 | JeffM2501 | and it showed history |
| 17:55.09 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:55.19 | JeffM2501 | if we get one set up then I'll use it more |
| 17:55.21 | Tupone | mediawiki is the wikipedia engine :) |
| 17:55.42 | JeffM2501 | I have never edited in wikipedia, but I would imagine they have a robust system |
| 17:55.45 | JeffM2501 | due to it's use :) |
| 17:56.05 | Tupone | yep |
| 17:56.12 | JeffM2501 | be glad I typed in all that stuff, the origonal format is scribbled notes on a sketchpad when I could not sleep :) |
| 17:56.18 | JeffM2501 | I could have scaned them ;) |
| 17:56.32 | Tupone | I'm glad :) |
| 17:56.39 | JeffM2501 | I even spell checked it |
| 17:56.43 | Tupone | wow |
| 17:56.53 | JeffM2501 | tho sadly that meant using MS word :( |
| 17:56.55 | Tupone | that's a great new |
| 17:57.16 | Tupone | hmm ... I retract the last :/ |
| 17:57.20 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:57.40 | Tupone | I spell check with aspell or similar |
| 17:57.45 | JeffM2501 | I'm just happy about the new laser, it dosn't look llike a + when you fire it :) |
| 17:57.59 | JeffM2501 | probably eats old video cards for lunch tho |
| 17:58.37 | JeffM2501 | each shot probably adds a couple 1000 triangles |
| 17:59.30 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I moved some of the images into subdirs in the data dir in head |
| 17:59.40 | JeffM2501 | I made new makefiles for them the best I could |
| 17:59.48 | JeffM2501 | but you may want to check and make sure I did them right |
| 17:59.59 | Tupone | I will recheck it, hope they are binary |
| 18:00.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah I did them binary, I checked that |
| 18:00.12 | JeffM2501 | I'm just woried about the makefiles |
| 18:00.22 | JeffM2501 | there was some make install stuff I wasn't sure of |
| 18:00.23 | Tupone | I know :) |
| 18:00.37 | Tupone | but you are doing better and better |
| 18:00.41 | JeffM2501 | I tru |
| 18:00.43 | JeffM2501 | try |
| 18:00.49 | Tupone | ;) |
| 18:01.32 | JeffM2501 | mostly cus it sounds funny |
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| 18:11.01 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 4 dirs): rename TFFA to OFFA ( Open Free-For-All ) to make it not seem like "team free for all" Too bad we can't use the term "deathmatch" cus that is what it is. |
| 18:12.16 | JeffM2501 | then once I can do forced limbo, we can have "last man standing" option :) |
| 18:12.48 | CBG | Why can't we/you use "deathmatch"? |
| 18:12.57 | JeffM2501 | cus it involves the word death |
| 18:13.05 | JeffM2501 | and goes back to that "bzflag is not quake" |
| 18:13.08 | CBG | riiight |
| 18:13.15 | JeffM2501 | we don't actualy kill people in game, we just blow up tanks |
| 18:13.31 | JeffM2501 | techincaly the current default mode is the same as "team dealthmatch" |
| 18:13.32 | CBG | Bleh. |
| 18:13.36 | JeffM2501 | cept for the rogue thing |
| 18:13.51 | CBG | That's just political correctness and it stinks. |
| 18:14.08 | JeffM2501 | that and there are laws that limit what you can put into games in germany |
| 18:14.14 | JeffM2501 | free-for-all does describe it |
| 18:14.17 | CBG | It's a game. Why can't we "kill" other tanks? |
| 18:14.19 | JeffM2501 | so it's fine |
| 18:14.30 | JeffM2501 | CBG, cus they come back :) |
| 18:14.48 | CBG | And? |
| 18:15.03 | JeffM2501 | I just think I'd get more flak if I used deathmatch |
| 18:15.14 | CBG | In fact, doesn't the game say "You were KILLED by..." ? |
| 18:15.20 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:15.25 | JeffM2501 | I can change that :) |
| 18:15.25 | CBG | We can KILL others, but not use the word DEATH? |
| 18:15.28 | CBG | Ok, whatever. |
| 18:15.38 | JeffM2501 | you got poofed by.... |
| 18:15.52 | JeffM2501 | then "OMG POINIES!!!!" |
| 18:15.53 | CBG | Sheesh. |
| 18:16.04 | CBG | JeffM2501: you know it stinks - right? |
| 18:16.15 | JeffM2501 | post a poll on bzbb |
| 18:16.28 | CBG | For "deathmatch" ? |
| 18:16.31 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 18:16.48 | CBG | right-ho |
| 18:16.49 | JeffM2501 | we are becoming more like UT anyway with the spree plugin :) |
| 18:16.58 | CBG | spree? |
| 18:17.00 | JeffM2501 | suprised me that people use that |
| 18:17.05 | JeffM2501 | "play history tracker" |
| 18:17.16 | JeffM2501 | does the killing spree, rampage, etc.. |
| 18:17.21 | CBG | right |
| 18:17.40 | JeffM2501 | hopefully I can have 2.2 shout "GODLIKE" when you do well ;) |
| 18:17.41 | CBG | "Help: Tactics and Playstyles" the best place for the poll? |
| 18:17.43 | JeffM2501 | cus that was the best part |
| 18:17.46 | CBG | heh |
| 18:17.59 | CBG | Yeah, we have those voices... :) |
| 18:18.00 | JeffM2501 | probably in enhancments |
| 18:18.09 | JeffM2501 | well we'd have to record our own |
| 18:18.17 | JeffM2501 | tho all those people di |
| 18:18.18 | JeffM2501 | did |
| 18:18.27 | JeffM2501 | what we need is a hot british lady to do it |
| 18:18.40 | CBG | I can put on a female voice... :P |
| 18:18.47 | CBG | Dunno about "hot" though.. |
| 18:18.48 | JeffM2501 | wonder how that would translate to other languages |
| 18:18.54 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, what is "godlike" in italian? |
| 18:19.15 | Tupone | dunno, I just know in english, guess ... godlike |
| 18:19.19 | CBG | sacrilegious, probably. |
| 18:19.21 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:19.35 | JeffM2501 | well what would you call somone who is above and better then all others? |
| 18:20.04 | Tupone | just god ? |
| 18:20.05 | CBG | Superior? |
| 18:20.14 | JeffM2501 | well it goes like this |
| 18:20.17 | JeffM2501 | killing spree |
| 18:20.20 | JeffM2501 | rampage |
| 18:20.21 | CBG | I can think of some people that would take extreme offense to that. |
| 18:20.22 | JeffM2501 | unstopable |
| 18:20.24 | JeffM2501 | godlike |
| 18:20.26 | JeffM2501 | I think |
| 18:20.35 | CBG | Rampage comes before Killing Spree, (btw) |
| 18:20.42 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:21.05 | JeffM2501 | did I do double, multi, and monster kill? |
| 18:21.22 | CBG | Dunno, I've never seen it get past Unstoppable. |
| 18:21.31 | JeffM2501 | I think I stoped at that |
| 18:21.35 | CBG | Not even I have got past that. |
| 18:21.38 | CBG | ;) heh |
| 18:21.39 | JeffM2501 | for fear of persecution :) |
| 18:21.53 | JeffM2501 | should add "mooselike" |
| 18:21.57 | JeffM2501 | or negitive ones |
| 18:22.10 | JeffM2501 | where if you die multiple times in a row with out killing |
| 18:22.15 | JeffM2501 | "suckage" |
| 18:22.20 | JeffM2501 | "sucking spree" |
| 18:22.29 | JeffM2501 | "pathetic" |
| 18:22.40 | JeffM2501 | "stopable" |
| 18:22.41 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 18:23.35 | JeffM2501 | but that could be mean |
| 18:23.55 | CBG | yes. |
| 18:24.04 | CBG | That's not exactly gonna help us get new players. |
| 18:24.08 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 18:24.20 | JeffM2501 | fatboy plugin will tho :) |
| 18:24.25 | JeffM2501 | fatboy will be great |
| 18:24.30 | CBG | what will it do? |
| 18:24.40 | JeffM2501 | when I hook it up so the server tells the client it's size |
| 18:24.59 | JeffM2501 | then the plugin will make people with higher scores larger then those with lower scores :) |
| 18:25.03 | JeffM2501 | so they are easyer to hit :) |
| 18:25.21 | JeffM2501 | so your GM campers get HUGE |
| 18:25.30 | JeffM2501 | and cant fit thru a TP |
| 18:25.50 | JeffM2501 | there are also variaons where you make lower scores be smaller then normal |
| 18:25.57 | JeffM2501 | or also just do it on the spree time |
| 18:26.04 | JeffM2501 | and reset when you die |
| 18:26.43 | JeffM2501 | UT had a mod like that |
| 18:26.43 | CBG | neat |
| 18:26.50 | JeffM2501 | tho I think they made you slower as you got fatter |
| 18:27.04 | JeffM2501 | could do that too once we have per players speed settings from the server |
| 18:27.18 | JeffM2501 | and not base it on the bzdb variable |
| 18:31.34 | CBG | poll posted |
| 18:31.53 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:32.00 | JeffM2501 | any reason we should lock onto team mates? |
| 18:32.27 | CBG | "lock onto"? |
| 18:32.32 | JeffM2501 | GM lock |
| 18:32.57 | CBG | I don't think I understand.. |
| 18:33.08 | Tupone | I think we should leave that |
| 18:33.19 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 18:33.20 | Tupone | it's the risk of shooting |
| 18:33.35 | JeffM2501 | a valid point |
| 18:33.56 | JeffM2501 | maybe just turn the hud a "bad" color then to help show |
| 18:34.11 | Tupone | yep, that I can accept |
| 18:34.14 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:34.21 | JeffM2501 | bbl lunch time :) |
| 18:34.27 | Tupone | but leave locked |
| 18:34.33 | JeffM2501 | I will |
| 18:34.36 | Tupone | :) |
| 18:34.46 | JeffM2501 | if you agree to change to bsd coding style ;) |
| 18:35.16 | Tupone | s/bsd/bad/ |
| 18:35.34 | JeffM2501 | bsd == readable |
| 18:35.35 | JeffM2501 | even wikipedia says so :) |
| 18:35.39 | Tupone | ahh |
| 18:36.02 | Tupone | no, I don't |
| 18:36.39 | Tupone | I 'd follow what is in DEVINFO |
| 18:36.39 | Tupone | or change DEVINFO and all emacs/vi rulers |
| 18:36.57 | Tupone | dunno how to call that tiny comment at the end of any file |
| 18:37.29 | menotume | vi-crapola |
| 18:37.39 | Tupone | :) |
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| 19:17.09 | brlcad | it's called an emacs variables block, the last line is a vi variable line, put them together and they can be called a style or indent block |
| 19:17.28 | Tupone | ty |
| 19:17.50 | bryjen | whoever looks at fixing the data/ Makefiles in HEAD, please also look into the plugins/ ones, make maintainer-clean fails in there |
| 19:18.00 | Tupone | brlcad: I want a good wiki :/ |
| 19:18.27 | Tupone | with developers edit |
| 19:18.41 | Tupone | and perhaps anonymous read |
| 19:19.49 | menotume | brlcad: is there an easy fix for 'BUGGY_MIPSPRO' that I can do ? |
| 19:20.07 | brlcad | Tupone: yeah, I'm reading the log |
| 19:20.29 | brlcad | menotume: yeah, revert the change that related to BUGGY_MIPSPRO |
| 19:20.36 | menotume | :) |
| 19:20.39 | menotume | okies |
| 19:21.06 | brlcad | a REALLY quick fix is to just add an am_conditional and set it to false |
| 19:21.08 | menotume | shall i actually revert it in cvs, |
| 19:21.17 | menotume | or just go back a vsserion here |
| 19:21.42 | bryjen | since I care not whether it's buggy or not |
| 19:22.42 | bryjen | but now i'm stuck in data/ |
| 19:23.00 | brlcad | menotume: the other changes were all good, there was only one commit related to BUGGY_MIPSPRO |
| 19:23.09 | brlcad | easy enough to type them back in even |
| 19:23.24 | brlcad | from the commit e-mail or from a diff -r -r |
| 19:23.29 | menotume | right, but i dunno what you want to do with it, if anything |
| 19:24.04 | menotume | i mean, i can just do what bry did, and i'm good to go |
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| 19:25.23 | menotume | so, my question is ... shall i hack locally, or revert in cvs ? |
| 19:29.56 | brlcad | either works, if you don't revert it, I will |
| 19:30.10 | menotume | ahh, ok, i will |
| 19:30.12 | brlcad | just a matter of only reverting the mips stuff |
| 19:30.20 | menotume | yep, searching commit emails |
| 19:48.30 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/configure.ac: Revert MIPSPRO piddle. |
| 19:51.43 | menotume | brlcad: I assumed that you wanted the "AC_PROG_LN_S" to stay in |
| 19:56.30 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I can get it all converted, I just don't want to change if everyone is going to be mad at me :) |
| 19:56.55 | JeffM2501 | mmmmm bacon cheezeburger |
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| 19:57.08 | Tupone | I will leave as it is now, used to that, but that is just me |
| 19:57.31 | JeffM2501 | I won't make any changes till I ask others |
| 19:57.35 | JeffM2501 | mostly I wanted your opinon |
| 19:57.39 | Tupone | dunno about bsd style, if that was yours ... too much indenting |
| 19:57.53 | JeffM2501 | I just like the brackets on there own line |
| 19:57.59 | JeffM2501 | and stuff to line up |
| 19:58.04 | JeffM2501 | makes it easyer to read long blocks |
| 19:58.09 | JeffM2501 | and we have many long blocks :) |
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| 19:59.24 | menotume | brackets on their own line? yuk :P |
| 19:59.36 | JeffM2501 | makes them line up with the closing bracket :) |
| 19:59.54 | DTRemenak | you have a syntax highlighter, yes? they don't need to line up... |
| 19:59.54 | Tupone | if that is the only things, and help having the code fit on my default character terminal, I could take into consideration. wideness is quite important to me, not always I edit on X |
| 19:59.56 | JeffM2501 | the 27 line terminal is dead... long live the large display :) |
| 20:00.10 | JeffM2501 | even if you have a highlighter it's nice to see them at a glance |
| 20:00.17 | DTRemenak | there's something to be said for compactness |
| 20:00.30 | DTRemenak | not everyone has 24 inch monitors |
| 20:00.31 | menotume | are we getting paid by the line ? |
| 20:00.31 | JeffM2501 | yes there is, but there is also something to be said for readabliltity |
| 20:00.39 | JeffM2501 | but everyone has at least a 17 ;) |
| 20:01.04 | JeffM2501 | it's not that big of a deal now, I can use my tool to put the code back into bzugly style |
| 20:01.10 | menotume | lol |
| 20:01.34 | JeffM2501 | I just recently found out that there is a name for my style :) |
| 20:01.44 | DTRemenak | what I'd like to see changed is that ridiculous 2/8 indent - lots of editors can't handle tab != indent |
| 20:01.54 | menotume | yep |
| 20:02.03 | DTRemenak | 4/4 is cool, 2/2 is cool |
| 20:02.07 | brlcad | menotume: yes |
| 20:02.11 | brlcad | it just moved |
| 20:02.19 | JeffM2501 | 4/4 is VC default |
| 20:02.24 | JeffM2501 | it would help a lot of we went to that |
| 20:02.28 | Tupone | I want to stay within the 80 columns |
| 20:02.31 | DTRemenak | default for just about everything nowadays |
| 20:02.39 | menotume | 80 col, yuk :P |
| 20:02.45 | DTRemenak | you can still stay within 80 col on 4-space indent |
| 20:03.09 | DTRemenak | most things don't have 20 layers of indent ;) |
| 20:03.12 | menotume | readability suffers when lines are broken |
| 20:03.14 | DTRemenak | if they do, they need to be fixed |
| 20:03.28 | JeffM2501 | busted lines are worse then { on the same line |
| 20:03.28 | brlcad | JeffM2501: have you found anyone FOR the bsd style yet? I think it's 4 against and 1 for at this point :) |
| 20:03.40 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, hush |
| 20:03.42 | DTRemenak | having more than 4 or 5 layers of indent means it should probably be split into functions |
| 20:03.43 | brlcad | hehe |
| 20:03.45 | Tupone | DTRemenak: you should have code on that line, so IL * 4 + CoL :) |
| 20:03.46 | JeffM2501 | let me get them drunk |
| 20:03.49 | JeffM2501 | then we'll see |
| 20:03.56 | JeffM2501 | and you can't blame for for tryin |
| 20:04.04 | menotume | function (no_its_the_longNames->and_layers.(of stuff), etc.) |
| 20:04.23 | JeffM2501 | even a change to 4/4 would make a diference for me |
| 20:04.38 | brlcad | let's start a 2 char vs 4 char vs 8 char indent argument while we're at it |
| 20:04.41 | brlcad | I vote 2 :) |
| 20:04.53 | menotume | 4/4 sounds like a good comprimise |
| 20:04.54 | Tupone | I'm all with brlcad |
| 20:05.01 | menotume | wait ! |
| 20:05.06 | menotume | 3/8 |
| 20:05.07 | brlcad | i'm used to 2 or 4 |
| 20:05.08 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:05.10 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:05.10 | DTRemenak | 2 or 4, makes no difference - just so that tab = indent |
| 20:05.25 | DTRemenak | or ban tabs altogether |
| 20:05.26 | brlcad | yeah, tab stops should still remain at 8 |
| 20:05.30 | menotume | tab = indent is dependant on the editor, yes ? |
| 20:05.37 | menotume | /ban tabs |
| 20:05.40 | DTRemenak | yay |
| 20:05.42 | DTRemenak | ban tabs! |
| 20:05.46 | menotume | they always have been banned |
| 20:05.58 | brlcad | they have? |
| 20:06.03 | JeffM2501 | / indent-tabs-mode: t *** |
| 20:06.07 | menotume | yes, i read it somewhere |
| 20:06.08 | JeffM2501 | I'm gonna use tabs |
| 20:07.26 | brlcad | the emacs indent-tabs-mode t and the vi tab-stop of 8 means tabs are inserted at that indentation level |
| 20:08.07 | menotume | hmm, what's the point then ? |
| 20:08.09 | brlcad | (i.e. three indents become a tab character with 2-char indent) |
| 20:08.27 | brlcad | er, four indents |
| 20:08.27 | menotume | /ban tabs |
| 20:08.32 | bryjen | ~ 3 * 2 |
| 20:08.34 | ibot | 6 |
| 20:08.34 | menotume | (5) |
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| 20:08.50 | bryjen | more buggy brlcad |
| 20:08.50 | menotume | hehe |
| 20:08.56 | JeffM2501 | so I can change it to 4/4 ? |
| 20:09.00 | JeffM2501 | just for 2.1 |
| 20:09.07 | brlcad | what's the other 4? |
| 20:09.08 | DTRemenak | mixed tabs and spaces is bad. it even makes diffs harder to read, since the + moves spaces but not tabs. and many editors in non-unix-land don't support indent != tab. |
| 20:09.20 | menotume | DTRemenak: right on ! |
| 20:09.29 | menotume | mixed is very bad |
| 20:09.37 | brlcad | emacs knows all |
| 20:09.43 | JeffM2501 | tab size and indent size as 4 |
| 20:09.46 | menotume | not everything is emacs |
| 20:09.54 | JeffM2501 | and i'll have it convert to tabs |
| 20:09.56 | JeffM2501 | so it's not mixed |
| 20:09.57 | DTRemenak | move to all tabs, and let people set tabstop the way they want, or move to all spaces and pick a reasonable value. makes everyone's life easier. |
| 20:10.10 | menotume | yep |
| 20:10.25 | brlcad | tab-size of 4 is similarly problematic |
| 20:10.36 | menotume | the problem with all tabs, is that you'll end up mixing them again at some point |
| 20:10.55 | JeffM2501 | we have tools that can fix it that we just need to run every so often |
| 20:10.59 | JeffM2501 | like indent |
| 20:11.02 | menotume | ie: old menotume forgetrs to hit tab, and uses the spacebar |
| 20:11.07 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 20:11.24 | brlcad | i mean if you have tab stops at 4 with indent at 4, that is simply going to insert real tabs for every indent |
| 20:11.28 | menotume | all sapces always works - everywhere |
| 20:11.45 | brlcad | reading that in more/less or just about any other editor not set up for that tabbing is going to make the file look different |
| 20:12.13 | DTRemenak | the only "advantage" that mixed tabs and spaces has is that it makes source file sizes smaller, which is a non-issue for the last two decades |
| 20:12.34 | menotume | i agree with everyone :) |
| 20:12.43 | DTRemenak | even jeff? :) |
| 20:12.44 | CBG | JeffM2501: someone (in my poll) pointed out this old topic -> http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1782 |
| 20:12.54 | menotume | everyone excp[et me |
| 20:13.01 | JeffM2501 | CBG, yeah I wrote that :) |
| 20:13.08 | JeffM2501 | why do you think I called it OpenFFA this time :) |
| 20:13.14 | CBG | Yeah.. :) Ok. |
| 20:14.37 | TimRiker | tabs are 8. deal with it. |
| 20:15.16 | DTRemenak | then we should remove tabs altogether |
| 20:15.20 | TimRiker | I can see arguing for 8 character indents as well. but I wouldn't |
| 20:15.27 | menotume | ewwwww |
| 20:17.03 | menotume | i guess if tabs are 8, then mixing won't hurt ? |
| 20:17.20 | menotume | so, one could still just use spaces |
| 20:17.44 | trepan | braces for all control blocks? :) |
| 20:17.46 | TimRiker | that's what we have at the moment. indents of 2, tabs of 8 and spaces to fill where tabs won't fit. |
| 20:17.54 | menotume | my editor deals with it, but not on a file-by-file basis |
| 20:18.05 | menotume | (no vi-comment block) |
| 20:18.22 | TimRiker | some broken editors can't deal with that well. what's worse, those broken editors don't let you set those values in the source so that it does the right thing. |
| 20:18.39 | DTRemenak | more than one editor can't do that. dev-cpp is an example. diffs look messy with mixed tabs & spaces too, especially with such a small indent. |
| 20:19.21 | TimRiker | agreed. *nix diff adds 2 characters to the front so tabs elsewhere get funky. |
| 20:19.55 | TimRiker | tabbed out tables are a Bad Idea. comments should go where the code goes, not tabbed out on the right. |
| 20:21.24 | JeffM2501 | so we have to deal with because of rare old editors |
| 20:21.25 | JeffM2501 | nice |
| 20:21.43 | menotume | not just editors ... |
| 20:21.49 | menotume | diff / cat / printing |
| 20:21.55 | menotume | hmm, none prints source anymore |
| 20:22.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:22.03 | menotume | s/none/no one/ |
| 20:22.06 | JeffM2501 | so old tools |
| 20:22.07 | TimRiker | some people do. (/me does not) |
| 20:22.34 | JeffM2501 | people we care about? |
| 20:22.40 | menotume | lol |
| 20:22.47 | JeffM2501 | or some old solaris guy? |
| 20:23.07 | TimRiker | dunno. lots of people use less or some other text viewer. |
| 20:23.19 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: many new tools have the same "issue", because they need to work with old files |
| 20:23.31 | JeffM2501 | so basicly it sounds like linux dosn't like tabs |
| 20:23.34 | DTRemenak | tradition is a hard thing to fight against |
| 20:23.37 | JeffM2501 | or unix style commands |
| 20:23.47 | JeffM2501 | I just need to understand why |
| 20:23.52 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: when you read "old" read "not JeffM2501's editor" |
| 20:23.54 | JeffM2501 | and that it realy matters to us |
| 20:24.03 | menotume | :) |
| 20:24.13 | JeffM2501 | I don't thik I'm using that unique of an editor |
| 20:24.19 | menotume | what do you use ? |
| 20:24.22 | JeffM2501 | VC |
| 20:24.25 | DTRemenak | unix treats tabs as "insert n spaces starting here", and ms reads tabs as "go to the xth multiple of n from the start of the line" |
| 20:24.34 | TimRiker | I didn't say that. but certianly your's is no "newer" that many others in use. |
| 20:24.39 | JeffM2501 | so unix dosn't like tabs |
| 20:24.43 | menotume | JeffM2501: is that configurable on a project basis ? |
| 20:24.49 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:24.51 | menotume | or by file, or just global |
| 20:24.54 | JeffM2501 | global |
| 20:24.57 | JeffM2501 | and I can't change my settings |
| 20:24.59 | TimRiker | sounds broken to me. |
| 20:25.08 | DTRemenak | neither one is better or worse, they're just incompatible :) |
| 20:25.10 | JeffM2501 | cus for real work we use the defaults |
| 20:25.27 | JeffM2501 | no no, acording to TimRiker my stuff is "borken" |
| 20:25.31 | DTRemenak | yes, global indent settings in vc -> very broken |
| 20:25.33 | JeffM2501 | sorry I don't use the terminal |
| 20:25.50 | DTRemenak | per-project would be the "right" way even by microsoft standards |
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| 20:25.59 | JeffM2501 | well they don't |
| 20:26.11 | DTRemenak | true enough :) |
| 20:26.25 | TimRiker | I'm sorry that you don't like the features of your editor. perhaps you should contact the vendor. |
| 20:26.30 | menotume | rofl |
| 20:26.31 | JeffM2501 | and aperantly all those windows programers are using it just fine |
| 20:26.33 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 20:26.41 | JeffM2501 | I like my features fine |
| 20:26.44 | JeffM2501 | you said they were broke |
| 20:26.53 | menotume | so, M$ sets the 'standards' for tabs then |
| 20:26.56 | JeffM2501 | you just want me to use your terminals |
| 20:26.59 | TimRiker | does not sound like you do to me. guess that's just my opinion. |
| 20:27.03 | JeffM2501 | no, I'm just asking if we could make it easyer |
| 20:27.12 | DTRemenak | kill the tabs! |
| 20:27.14 | JeffM2501 | then it got blown out into a bag on Jeff day |
| 20:27.23 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 20:27.40 | JeffM2501 | no I was just trying to have a serious discusson |
| 20:27.42 | TimRiker | 4/4 or 2/2 would not be easier. it would just be different. |
| 20:27.44 | JeffM2501 | and we were doing well |
| 20:27.55 | JeffM2501 | the the decree was made |
| 20:27.56 | menotume | untill i said something bad about M$ :( |
| 20:28.02 | JeffM2501 | nope not you meno |
| 20:28.04 | DTRemenak | just kill the silly tabs and everyone will be happy, no? |
| 20:28.17 | JeffM2501 | my code is still gonna have tabs in it |
| 20:28.24 | DTRemenak | ugh. |
| 20:28.39 | TimRiker | I could go for all spaces if folks want to, but it sounds to me that you are saying if we don't do what your editor wants as defaults you won't be happy. |
| 20:28.41 | bryjen | JeffM2501: if VC won't let you do per-project, and you need the globals set as per work, you don't have any room to compromise in |
| 20:28.46 | JeffM2501 | mostly I wanted to ask the 5 main coders |
| 20:29.10 | JeffM2501 | I know, so I was seeing if I coudl work it with everyone |
| 20:29.16 | JeffM2501 | if I can't I can't |
| 20:29.19 | JeffM2501 | I was just trying |
| 20:29.26 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: does tortoise let you do on-commit scripts? |
| 20:29.31 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 20:29.39 | JeffM2501 | I can use sourceformatX to convert it |
| 20:29.42 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: where "work it with everyone" means "get everyone else to use my editor defaults" ? |
| 20:29.45 | menotume | /msg BillGates Fix it ! |
| 20:29.46 | DTRemenak | convert every tab to four spaces would be easy in a script |
| 20:29.52 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, sure, if they would |
| 20:29.57 | JeffM2501 | if they won't they won't |
| 20:30.05 | JeffM2501 | many said 4/4 was fine with them |
| 20:30.23 | TimRiker | it's not fine with me. spaces would be. |
| 20:30.24 | JeffM2501 | that the specifics disn't matter |
| 20:30.34 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, so I see |
| 20:30.40 | JeffM2501 | mostly I was asking the people who commit real code |
| 20:30.57 | DTRemenak | 4/4 goes to all-tab indents. for TimRiker and unixish friends it would mean 8 spaces. |
| 20:31.15 | JeffM2501 | but hey drop it |
| 20:31.19 | JeffM2501 | forget I ever asked about change |
| 20:31.25 | JeffM2501 | sorry for rocking the unix boat |
| 20:31.41 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: not so. it means that table indents which we have in many places and trailing comments, etc would all be messed up. |
| 20:31.59 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, unless they were you know.. fixed |
| 20:31.59 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: such is the case for any use of tabs in the middle of a line |
| 20:32.00 | TimRiker | and that means for everyone, as new code would have a random standard. |
| 20:32.07 | trepan | TimRiker: a lot of those areas have already been wrecked ;) |
| 20:32.10 | DTRemenak | any use at all |
| 20:32.31 | DTRemenak | including our current setup |
| 20:32.41 | TimRiker | trepan: agreed. I used to fix them often, but as you all know I've been inactive for a while. |
| 20:32.59 | DTRemenak | when you "fixed" them, every windows machine in existence decided to display them uglified |
| 20:33.26 | DTRemenak | because the treatment of tabs is different |
| 20:33.33 | DTRemenak | even with tabstops set the same |
| 20:33.49 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: when I set ts=4 they were still ugly. so they did not meet any standard. |
| 20:34.13 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: the difference is "beginning at the beginning of the line" vs. "beginning at the last character before the tab" |
| 20:34.24 | menotume | JeffM2501: i don't see it as a unix problem. Unix has editors that can be configured as desired. It's the old-fashioned (non-configurable) editor that can be problematic :P |
| 20:34.29 | DTRemenak | so ts = 8 or ts = 4, if you have 3 characters one will display at 8 and one at 11 |
| 20:34.34 | DTRemenak | err 16 and 11 |
| 20:34.43 | JeffM2501 | menotume, I wasn't meaning the editor, I mean just how everyone bags on windows |
| 20:34.50 | JeffM2501 | even tho it is the most popluar client |
| 20:34.53 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: no, the difference is that some lines were entered with 2/8 and others were not, so it didn't line up no matter how you looked at ti. |
| 20:35.18 | DTRemenak | sure, for indents. you were talking about table indents and trailing comments |
| 20:35.37 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: both. |
| 20:36.09 | DTRemenak | ok, maybe I misstated myself: when you changed trailing comments and tables, it looked screwed up here. |
| 20:36.21 | DTRemenak | indents still looked fine, since I have my editor set to 2/8 |
| 20:36.33 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: in cleaning you'll find spaced in lines lining up with the 4/4 display in some editors and spaced in lines lining up with 2/8 and tabbed in sections in both. |
| 20:37.23 | menotume | ok, i got it |
| 20:37.24 | DTRemenak | that doesn't explain the comments that are 3 spaces off from the one above or below :) |
| 20:37.39 | menotume | we all use VC so we are consistant |
| 20:37.43 | menotume | does it work in wine ? |
| 20:37.48 | JeffM2501 | maybe :) |
| 20:37.50 | DTRemenak | no :) |
| 20:37.55 | menotume | bummer |
| 20:38.00 | JeffM2501 | heh you tried? |
| 20:38.05 | DTRemenak | naturally |
| 20:38.08 | menotume | lol |
| 20:38.11 | JeffM2501 | how bad was it? |
| 20:38.12 | TimRiker | I did once or twice, yes. |
| 20:38.17 | DTRemenak | crashed at startup |
| 20:38.25 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:38.25 | DTRemenak | 2005 |
| 20:38.32 | JeffM2501 | we could all use kdev :) |
| 20:38.34 | DTRemenak | vs6 ran |
| 20:38.38 | TimRiker | course I was trying to cross compile for windows. VC won't dream of building Linux apps. |
| 20:38.45 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 20:39.08 | JeffM2501 | there are cross compile modules you can get IIRC |
| 20:39.11 | DTRemenak | mingw does a fine job at xcompile from the command line |
| 20:39.12 | TimRiker | it does startup (or at least an old version did) under cxoffice. |
| 20:39.15 | JeffM2501 | but the default compiler.. no |
| 20:39.45 | JeffM2501 | but there is no reason to continue turning this into a windows bashing session |
| 20:39.47 | DTRemenak | yeah, vs6 and earlier all run. 2003 might now, I haven't checked in a couple years |
| 20:39.49 | JeffM2501 | unless that makes you feel better |
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| 20:40.06 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: not all criticism is bashing |
| 20:40.11 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 20:40.23 | JeffM2501 | just a lot of it seems like it;) |
| 20:40.29 | DTRemenak | if it can't do x, and we say it can't do x, well...tough :) |
| 20:40.33 | JeffM2501 | all products have some suck :) |
| 20:40.36 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 20:40.57 | JeffM2501 | I'd still love to see a bzflag release named "it sucks less" |
| 20:41.14 | Tupone | JeffM2501: reading the log you asked about gentoo and bzflag. Any real question? |
| 20:41.18 | TimRiker | well, each release does suck less than the previous. ;-) |
| 20:41.19 | menotume | we got close this time :) |
| 20:41.28 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, huh? |
| 20:41.31 | DTRemenak | with our luck, that would be the release that crashed on startup on 65% of machines :) |
| 20:41.31 | JeffM2501 | from when? |
| 20:41.38 | JeffM2501 | how it gets submited? |
| 20:41.39 | Tupone | yesterday? |
| 20:41.53 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: then we can to a "it crashes less" follow up release. |
| 20:41.54 | Tupone | I do, I'm in gentoo/games |
| 20:41.58 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 20:42.02 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: oooh, I like it |
| 20:42.02 | JeffM2501 | can anyone do it? |
| 20:42.09 | JeffM2501 | or is it a single person, like debian? |
| 20:42.15 | JeffM2501 | jsut curious how it works |
| 20:42.24 | JeffM2501 | as it seems to be a popular way people get the game |
| 20:42.27 | Tupone | can be submitted in bugzilla by onyone |
| 20:42.43 | JeffM2501 | then who approves it for inclusion? |
| 20:42.46 | Tupone | then some of the guy of the game project can put online |
| 20:42.52 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 20:42.57 | Tupone | I'm one of those |
| 20:43.05 | JeffM2501 | so you'll be taking care of geting 2.0.6 in there? |
| 20:43.28 | Tupone | yeah, but I'll wait for news from players |
| 20:43.35 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 20:43.50 | JeffM2501 | so far I haven't seen many people complain ( in the froums ) |
| 20:43.54 | JeffM2501 | seen some stuff on spawns |
| 20:43.57 | JeffM2501 | and some OSX problems |
| 20:44.01 | JeffM2501 | that's about it |
| 20:44.22 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, you have a plan for debians? |
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| 20:44.28 | brad2901 | and you can have multiple team flags even if it isn't in the config |
| 20:44.43 | brad2901 | /flag give player g* force |
| 20:44.50 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 20:44.55 | JeffM2501 | kinda interesting |
| 20:45.05 | bz57 | hi, i need help with installing bzflag 2.0.6 from source |
| 20:45.08 | brad2901 | tried it earlier had 3 green flags, 1 per player |
| 20:45.17 | JeffM2501 | but that's kinda part of a dumb admin |
| 20:45.20 | bz57 | should i first do autogen.sh? |
| 20:45.25 | brad2901 | heh I know |
| 20:45.26 | JeffM2501 | but yeah we should not do that |
| 20:45.33 | JeffM2501 | bz57, what OS? and did you read the readme for your oS? |
| 20:45.33 | DTRemenak | shouldn't need to do autogen, bz57 |
| 20:45.40 | L4m3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.42 | DTRemenak | ./configure && make |
| 20:45.57 | brad2901 | L4m3r: only team flags, not "normal" flags |
| 20:45.58 | bz57 | fedora core 5 |
| 20:46.00 | L4m3r | especially not teamflags I would thing |
| 20:46.04 | L4m3r | think* |
| 20:46.04 | DTRemenak | won't hurt anything to run autogen if you have recent autotools installed |
| 20:46.07 | JeffM2501 | that's why I want to redo flags |
| 20:46.11 | DTRemenak | just wastes some time |
| 20:46.19 | L4m3r | make them not static, jeff? |
| 20:46.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:46.27 | JeffM2501 | make them generic pickup items |
| 20:46.30 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 20:46.34 | JeffM2501 | and the server sets the effects of what they do |
| 20:46.35 | bz57 | ok, thanks guys! |
| 20:46.48 | L4m3r | so I wouldn't have to hide all my flags in the sky somewhere :D |
| 20:46.50 | JeffM2501 | then you can just give out effects with out flags |
| 20:46.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:47.03 | JeffM2501 | makes it simpler and cleaner |
| 20:47.06 | JeffM2501 | as well as opens more options |
| 20:47.09 | L4m3r | yes |
| 20:47.14 | JeffM2501 | like my favorate.. the left turn cannon :) |
| 20:47.33 | L4m3r | there's the design question, of course... it would be a dramatic change to say the least |
| 20:47.48 | ToughShooter | There's a little problem on radar in 2.0.6: It only gets dimmed appropriately with radar zoom set to 2, with the other settings it will still only be dimming the range for setting 2. :o |
| 20:47.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah much of the internals change |
| 20:48.04 | JeffM2501 | but how it plays should stay the same |
| 20:48.25 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, is that new to 2.0.6 or has it done it all thru 2.0.x? |
| 20:48.35 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: I built and tested a debian package, I need to check and close the related debian bugs in the changelog so I can send it in. likely tonight. |
| 20:48.48 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, sweet |
| 20:48.53 | trepan | brad2901: have the server/conf files available? you sure you don't have a zone team flags? |
| 20:49.17 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, has it been tested on AMD64? many of the 2.0.4 players using the packages on that platform had issues |
| 20:49.30 | JeffM2501 | just so you know |
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| 20:49.41 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: no. need a volunteer. I don't have one to test on. |
| 20:49.45 | brad2901 | trepan: positive, come to brad.bzflag.org 5155 and I'll show you |
| 20:49.45 | ToughShooter | I have noticed it in 2.0.5, too but I will mess up my driver settings when I put an older version on my box..it could take a few minutes to find out |
| 20:50.05 | bz57 | after ./configure i get: BZFlag-2.0.6.20060411 with the following: no curses! no SDL! bzadmin no bzflag client binary! |
| 20:50.12 | JeffM2501 | IIRC tupone has an AMD64, I have one ( if I could get the nvdrivers to work ) |
| 20:50.19 | bz57 | does this mean i can make? |
| 20:50.22 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: iirc there were redhat amd64 issues as well, no? |
| 20:50.22 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:50.29 | DTRemenak | bz57: you'll end up with server only |
| 20:50.30 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, we built redhat? |
| 20:50.41 | DTRemenak | if you want the client you'll need opengl dev packages, and sdl-dev |
| 20:50.47 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: the rpm build -tb <tarball> build iirc. |
| 20:50.59 | TimRiker | s/rpm build/rpmbuild/ |
| 20:51.01 | JeffM2501 | I dont' recall seeing a 2.0.4 on sf for redhat |
| 20:51.11 | bz57 | oooh, thanks! i will YUM for it :) |
| 20:51.15 | TimRiker | no, just folks building from the tar. |
| 20:51.27 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 20:51.32 | JeffM2501 | then I'm not sure |
| 20:51.38 | DTRemenak | np. not sure what opengl dev packages are called on fc, might be xorg-mesa-dev or similar |
| 20:51.50 | Tupone | JeffM2501: I have an amd64 and a duron. Need something? |
| 20:51.52 | JeffM2501 | the redhat packages on SF are wicked old |
| 20:52.00 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, can you test a debian package? |
| 20:52.02 | bz57 | i'just try, thanks |
| 20:52.10 | Tupone | nope, only gentoo there |
| 20:52.15 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I stopped doing rh8 packages when I formatted my rh8 partition... :) |
| 20:52.22 | TimRiker | :) |
| 20:52.28 | JeffM2501 | tim's making them, it woudl be good to make sure that the new ones don't have the "I can't shoot anyone " problem |
| 20:52.38 | JeffM2501 | I have ubuntu |
| 20:52.43 | JeffM2501 | I just need to get drivers fixed |
| 20:52.57 | JeffM2501 | now that I got my res problem fixed |
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| 20:54.21 | L4m3r | ok, something is definitely wrong there |
| 20:54.54 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: It looks like it was already in 2.0.4, 2.0.2 had no such dimming |
| 20:55.04 | JeffM2501 | so it's not new |
| 20:55.05 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:55.07 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 20:55.15 | JeffM2501 | means we just have to fix it in 2.2 |
| 20:55.21 | L4m3r | lol |
| 20:55.25 | DTRemenak | hm, I noticed that bug about a year ago...should have done something about it |
| 20:55.34 | ToughShooter | I dunno, can't check head, because of SF |
| 20:55.58 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure head still does it |
| 20:56.29 | JeffM2501 | we've got some time to fix it in head :) |
| 20:56.43 | ToughShooter | Now I have to fix my ATI driver :/ |
| 20:57.32 | L4m3r | so has anyone tried to play BZFlag under OS X on an AMD64? :D |
| 20:57.44 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, the people who had the AMD64 problem, were allmost allways fixed by doing there own builds. don't know if that helps you with what the problem may be |
| 20:59.42 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Lots of time, to forget, too ;) |
| 20:59.54 | JeffM2501 | then make sure we don't :) |
| 21:00.53 | ToughShooter | You should know I am not comfortable with the language bz was written in and even less with some strange kind of codebase I don't know |
| 21:01.08 | JeffM2501 | all you have to do is make sure it's reported on SF |
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| 21:01.14 | JeffM2501 | and somone will eventualy find it :) |
| 21:01.19 | JeffM2501 | she lives! |
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| 21:03.34 | RPG_ | what's the name for the 2.0.6 branch in CVS? |
| 21:03.55 | ToughShooter | v2_0branch, IIRC |
| 21:04.00 | JeffM2501 | v2.0.6 |
| 21:04.01 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 21:04.07 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: yeah. wish I had one to see why that is. might just be a missing dependancy line in the package. |
| 21:04.08 | RPG_ | there isn't a 2.0.6 one |
| 21:04.11 | JeffM2501 | the branch or the tag? |
| 21:04.20 | brad2901 | it's in the topic |
| 21:04.23 | JeffM2501 | the 2.0.6 isn't a branch it's just a tag |
| 21:04.29 | RPG_ | oh |
| 21:04.30 | brad2901 | v2_0_6 |
| 21:04.31 | JeffM2501 | the branch is now 2.0.7 |
| 21:04.35 | TimRiker | if the fixed version linked to more (or different) libraries that list would be very helpful. |
| 21:04.46 | RPG_ | so, if i wanted to check out 2.0.6 code, i'd check out the .0.6 tag? |
| 21:04.56 | ToughShooter | RPG_: Anon is still not in sync with dev CVS at SF |
| 21:05.01 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, it seemed more like a float format problem, and they were not packed/unpacked right |
| 21:05.04 | RPG_ | tha'ts why :) |
| 21:06.07 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: hmm. I wonder if the package just needed to get rebuilt with a newer compiler. if so then this upload will fix it. |
| 21:06.10 | RPG_ | also, why does the client cap at 60 FPS on windows? |
| 21:06.26 | L4m3r | ^^^what RPG said |
| 21:06.30 | DTRemenak | RPG_: your video drivers are probably vsyncing |
| 21:06.37 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, well I'll try to get my nvidia's set up tonight and I can test it |
| 21:06.48 | DTRemenak | fps will not exceed the refresh rate of your monitor |
| 21:07.01 | L4m3r | that would explain it, too |
| 21:07.06 | L4m3r | for me at least |
| 21:07.33 | JeffM2501 | most drivers default to vsync |
| 21:07.44 | JeffM2501 | cus why would you need more? |
| 21:07.53 | bz57 | Apparently i missing gl.h, anyone any idea witch lib to install? |
| 21:07.57 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: bragging rights |
| 21:08.00 | ToughShooter | vsync is something fine, I use it to reduce artifact and lower the FPS to keep my computer quiter and my lag higher on near servers |
| 21:08.00 | RPG_ | just curious |
| 21:08.05 | L4m3r | I don't; I was just curious |
| 21:08.06 | RPG_ | and bragging rights :) |
| 21:08.07 | L4m3r | lol |
| 21:08.15 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, that would be an eWang problem, not a real one :) |
| 21:08.23 | TheRedBaron | yup |
| 21:08.30 | L4m3r | hahaha |
| 21:08.32 | JeffM2501 | and I can probably beat all ya on that if I really try :) |
| 21:08.35 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: sweet. |
| 21:08.41 | TheRedBaron | I was trying to figure out the "discreet" wording for it |
| 21:08.56 | JeffM2501 | that is my discreet version :) |
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| 21:09.12 | DTRemenak | bz57: opengl dev stuff |
| 21:09.35 | DTRemenak | there's probably a way to search the rpm database for "provides" entries |
| 21:09.38 | DTRemenak | but I don't know it |
| 21:10.10 | bz57 | ok thanks |
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| 21:14.48 | DTRemenak | mesa-libGL-devel is what he's looking for if he comes back again |
| 21:19.05 | JeffM2501 | wow if changing code format was such a big tizy, I guess changing the default chat keys would be a big thing too :) |
| 21:19.44 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: yes! |
| 21:19.49 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 21:19.58 | JeffM2501 | let the n disease rule forever? |
| 21:20.57 | brlcad | oof, the indent talk continued far after .. |
| 21:21.10 | TheRedBaron | thats the point |
| 21:21.20 | TheRedBaron | embrace the n disease |
| 21:21.52 | TheRedBaron | what about t and y? |
| 21:21.56 | TheRedBaron | or j and k |
| 21:21.59 | JeffM2501 | they don't make sense |
| 21:22.12 | TheRedBaron | halo uses t and y |
| 21:22.21 | TheRedBaron | bf1942 uses j and k |
| 21:22.28 | TheRedBaron | America's army uses t and y |
| 21:22.45 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 21:22.50 | JeffM2501 | most MMORPGS use enter |
| 21:23.06 | L4m3r | Jeff, it would be simple to add a menu item to bind classic controls, many games do it :P |
| 21:23.17 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, I know |
| 21:23.25 | L4m3r | with that I don't think new defaults would be a huge issue |
| 21:23.29 | TheRedBaron | I think t and Y are the ones predominately used |
| 21:23.34 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't mean the 'classic" people will still not complain :) |
| 21:23.40 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:23.47 | L4m3r | I never liked defaults |
| 21:23.50 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, I can see that in the FPS games |
| 21:23.54 | brlcad | i remember getting VC to do what I wanted it to do indent-wise back in the day, albeit was global |
| 21:24.04 | L4m3r | well, chat ones are ok, but I fire with z and jump with space, etc |
| 21:24.06 | JeffM2501 | I can't change my globals |
| 21:24.09 | JeffM2501 | sadly |
| 21:24.12 | JeffM2501 | so I'm just screwed |
| 21:26.27 | JeffM2501 | I'm not the bigest code contributior tho, so it's fine |
| 21:32.34 | Teppic | <TheRedBaron> America's army uses t and y: not here it doesn't |
| 21:33.16 | TheRedBaron | teppic: are you using the linux version? or windows? |
| 21:33.55 | Teppic | The ' I kept putting n in ront of my messages, so had to alter the bindings' version |
| 21:34.11 | TheRedBaron | oh, you changed the settings :) |
| 21:34.49 | Teppic | T and y make no sense, especcially when t in global and y is team, surley the wrong way round? |
| 21:36.35 | Teppic | I even went through a phase of starting irc messages 'n' |
| 21:37.01 | TheRedBaron | ~n |
| 21:37.02 | ibot | i guess n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure. |
| 21:37.10 | TheRedBaron | ``m |
| 21:37.13 | Teppic | lol |
| 21:37.14 | TheRedBaron | ~m |
| 21:37.15 | ibot | from memory, m is a variant of the n disease, usually found among league and CTF players. |
| 21:37.31 | Teppic | ~z |
| 21:37.32 | ibot | methinks z is zaurus, or the disease bzflag admins get when they play too much |
| 21:38.51 | L4m3r | I use z to fire and / for admin, heh |
| 21:40.05 | Teppic | 'emerge: 27 of 284) www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.1-r4' Hmm, guess I'm back to using konqueror then.... |
| 21:42.03 | TheRedBaron | right, i'm out of here |
| 21:42.28 | JeffM2501 | no sorry we can't use FPS game keys, thre was that engire "bzflag is not quake" thing today :) |
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| 21:54.28 | bz52 | hi |
| 21:54.56 | bz52 | I have problem since I have Free for provider. |
| 21:55.27 | JeffM2501 | proxy server? |
| 21:55.36 | bz52 | I have a correct ping but my shoots don't touch |
| 21:55.41 | JeffM2501 | do they block UDP? |
| 21:55.55 | cods | Free the french provider ? They are blocking nothing. |
| 21:56.03 | JeffM2501 | then it should work fine |
| 21:56.04 | bz52 | I have no proxy server. |
| 21:56.59 | JeffM2501 | unless it's the AMD64 problem |
| 21:57.17 | bz52 | I don't know if Free is the cause. I had wanadoo 512/128 and it worked fine |
| 21:57.47 | cods | bzflag works fine for me with Free |
| 21:57.53 | bz52 | I have a sempron 2400 / Mandriva 2006 |
| 21:58.36 | cods | You don't have some firewall rules that could explain the problem ? |
| 21:58.47 | bz52 | I don't understand...I only change of house and get free. |
| 21:59.01 | cods | hmm, are you using a Freebox with NAT (router mode) ? |
| 21:59.24 | bz52 | I use router function of freebox... |
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| 21:59.35 | JeffM2501 | does it have a firewall turned on? |
| 21:59.48 | cods | then *maybe* it could be the cause (but I don't use this mode, so I can't really say) |
| 22:00.38 | cods | (I use the freebox in bridged mode) |
| 22:00.47 | bz52 | Yes I think to remember. I could try to desactivate router mode... |
| 22:01.26 | bz52 | Cods you have only one pc or a router in addition of your freebox ? |
| 22:01.29 | bryjen | Teppic: T to *T*alk doesn't make sense? |
| 22:01.57 | trepan | bryjen: Y to *Y*ell to teammates? |
| 22:02.09 | Teppic | Not when the shell command is Say and 'T'eam Say seems more intuitive to me. |
| 22:02.11 | cods | bz52: I've several PC behind the modem |
| 22:02.17 | bryjen | heh |
| 22:02.59 | bryjen | trepan: no, Yodel, of course ;) |
| 22:03.14 | cods | bz52: but I've a linux router (a PC dedicated for that) doing itself NAT as needed, however this allows more control than the router feature of the modem of course. |
| 22:03.24 | Teppic | There is allready a shout commad , unger the g menus somewhere. |
| 22:03.38 | cods | bz52: but in your case I don't know how you could fix that with router mode. |
| 22:04.14 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:04.23 | JeffM2501 | probably not worth that much effort |
| 22:05.00 | bz52 | i can desactivate router mode on free interface. |
| 22:05.17 | bryjen | a lot of discussion over empty space |
| 22:05.58 | JeffM2501 | aperantly people like there empty space the way it is |
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| 22:09.13 | JeffM2501 | the data dir ones? |
| 22:09.24 | bryjen | yeah |
| 22:09.36 | JeffM2501 | I was woried about those |
| 22:09.40 | JeffM2501 | the make install stuff missing? |
| 22:09.52 | JeffM2501 | or did I just botch em? |
| 22:10.05 | bryjen | there are Makefile.am 's , but it doesn't seem to be automaking them into anything else, and it stops the build |
| 22:10.21 | JeffM2501 | they arn't suposed to make anything |
| 22:10.26 | JeffM2501 | it's just "extra dist" stuff |
| 22:10.42 | JeffM2501 | well I mentioned to tupone and brlcad that I wasn't sure if I did them right |
| 22:10.58 | trepan | JeffM2501: add them to configure.cc |
| 22:11.01 | trepan | s/cc/ac |
| 22:11.13 | JeffM2501 | it wont' find them using the subdirs? |
| 22:11.45 | bryjen | aha! AC_CONFIG_FILES |
| 22:11.46 | brlcad | subdirs is for traversal, configure.ac is for generation of Makefile from Makefile.in |
| 22:12.09 | brlcad | (autogen.sh does the Makefile.am -> Makefile.in generation) |
| 22:12.40 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 22:13.42 | JeffM2501 | wow every one explicidly |
| 22:13.44 | JeffM2501 | that kinda sucks |
| 22:14.55 | brlcad | yep |
| 22:15.18 | brlcad | tis a feature |
| 22:15.29 | Tupone | :) |
| 22:15.41 | JeffM2501 | did somone just change it? |
| 22:15.45 | JeffM2501 | I can't get a lock for commit |
| 22:16.34 | bryjen | ~trepan++ |
| 22:16.42 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/configure.ac: add the new data dir stuff ( maybe ) |
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| 22:33.25 | *** kick/#bzflag [bryjen!n=sean@pdpc/supporter/silver/brlcad] by brlcad (testing) |
| 22:33.45 | brlcad | ahh, no auto-rejoin |
| 22:33.52 | Birdie | he isnt used to be kicked:) |
| 22:33.53 | Tupone | :) |
| 22:34.11 | trepan | give 'em candy, kick 'em in the teeth |
| 22:34.53 | brlcad | =) |
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| 22:41.21 | romfis | hi all |
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| 22:41.25 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v bryjen] by ChanServ |
| 22:41.57 | bryjen | ~boot brlcad |
| 22:41.59 | ibot | /kick Jayce^ |
| 22:41.59 | a-delusion | brlcad ,any chance of an intel mac, or universal build? I've been trying for a day and a half with no luck. I may be learning a few things, but that's debateable |
| 22:42.14 | bryjen | odd |
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| 22:43.54 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:44.18 | brlcad | a-delusion: universals are easy to make but will reportedly not work at this time due to a coding issue |
| 22:44.29 | brlcad | more likely a separate intel build |
| 22:44.45 | a-delusion | i thought so myself. intel only |
| 22:45.33 | a-delusion | My guess is it's SDL being six months old |
| 22:46.31 | brlcad | a-delusion: actually, more than likely it's something related to networking, not SDL |
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| 22:46.36 | brlcad | for the universal that is |
| 22:47.13 | a-delusion | Call me sergeant shultz "I know nothing" |
| 22:47.18 | romfis | Hey!, i made new bzflag icons, formats 64x64,48x48, 32x32, 24x24, and 16x16, all Icons with 16 Colors, 256 Colors, and True Color, can i send URL for download, for yours? ;) |
| 22:48.09 | brlcad | a ver |
| 22:48.14 | JeffM2501 | what do they look like? |
| 22:48.27 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o bryjen] by ChanServ |
| 22:48.33 | bryjen | eep |
| 22:48.34 | brlcad | JeffM2501: jinx |
| 22:48.48 | romfis | the arrow image on bzflag 2.0.6 |
| 22:48.58 | romfis | in 5 colors i maked |
| 22:48.58 | JeffM2501 | so very similar to the current icons? |
| 22:49.13 | JeffM2501 | the arrow image is pulled from the current icon |
| 22:49.41 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, did those configure changes work? |
| 22:50.02 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:50.05 | romfis | yes, the arrow images, in ICO and all in ICL format |
| 22:50.14 | bryjen | i changed teh file meself, need to up and see if yours are the same |
| 22:50.18 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:50.27 | JeffM2501 | if not can you please fix cvs? |
| 22:50.57 | JeffM2501 | romfis, what I am saying is the arrow image, is IN the current icon, just turned up |
| 22:51.02 | bryjen | bah. conflicted |
| 22:51.09 | JeffM2501 | then tney may be the same :) |
| 22:51.33 | romfis | ah |
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| 22:52.27 | JeffM2501 | saturos made both the icon and arrow images |
| 22:52.31 | romfis | here see example 32x32- true color http://www.bzflag.at/zeugs/icons/bzflag_v2_blue.png |
| 22:52.45 | bryjen | no, the same would have said "the changes from v.foo to v.bar appear to already be in $file". so very similar, but not :( |
| 22:53.04 | JeffM2501 | romfis, that looks a lot like the current icon, just with no border |
| 22:53.59 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:54.28 | JeffM2501 | probably just WS |
| 22:54.55 | romfis | i work ob arrow image on ico format, and i testing on my desktop and is perfect ;) |
| 22:55.04 | romfis | ob - on |
| 22:55.06 | JeffM2501 | the current icon is this |
| 22:55.07 | JeffM2501 | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/data/bzflag-48x48.png?rev=2.3&view=markup |
| 22:55.19 | romfis | yes |
| 22:55.29 | JeffM2501 | yours looks a little "squished" |
| 22:55.48 | romfis | lol |
| 22:56.26 | JeffM2501 | why do you feel we need to change the icon? |
| 22:56.31 | Tupone | I like the blue one more |
| 22:56.37 | JeffM2501 | the blue is cool |
| 22:56.50 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking the current one in blue for 2.2 :) |
| 22:57.16 | romfis | not change on projekt, that is fun icons ;) |
| 22:57.21 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 22:57.23 | JeffM2501 | I get it now |
| 22:57.26 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:57.36 | JeffM2501 | they are fun |
| 22:57.52 | Tupone | is that a 16x16 icon? |
| 22:57.59 | JeffM2501 | 32x32 |
| 22:58.16 | romfis | http://www.bzflag.at/zeugs/icons/bzflag_v2_iconpacks.icl - all formats - colors |
| 22:59.19 | romfis | can you open ICL? |
| 22:59.40 | Tupone | hmm, can we substitute the current favicon with the blue one form romfis? |
| 22:59.46 | Tupone | from |
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| 23:00.02 | JeffM2501 | how's it look that small? |
| 23:00.12 | JeffM2501 | tho I kinda like the little bitmapy one |
| 23:00.28 | JeffM2501 | his does match the in game art more tho |
| 23:00.44 | Tupone | It looks simpler |
| 23:00.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:00.51 | Tupone | but .. ok |
| 23:01.11 | JeffM2501 | romfis, got a png of the blue one at 16x16? |
| 23:01.38 | romfis | wait, 2sec ;) |
| 23:02.11 | JeffM2501 | actualy sorry, in ico format |
| 23:02.19 | JeffM2501 | I'll get it outa your pack |
| 23:02.28 | JeffM2501 | wierd that the favicon is windows ico format |
| 23:02.54 | bryjen | an IE-ism? |
| 23:03.01 | romfis | http://www.bzflag.at/zeugs/icons/bzflag_v2_blue.ico |
| 23:03.01 | JeffM2501 | looks like it |
| 23:03.17 | JeffM2501 | hmmm it's a little dark |
| 23:03.20 | JeffM2501 | for a favicon |
| 23:03.34 | JeffM2501 | at that size |
| 23:03.38 | romfis | 16x16 in what color? true color on PNG ? |
| 23:03.40 | JeffM2501 | can you lighten the blue up a little? |
| 23:03.44 | JeffM2501 | ico is fine |
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| 23:05.22 | romfis | yes i can lighten the blue,and i can more colors maked |
| 23:05.23 | bryjen | and HEAD make's happily now |
| 23:05.34 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, sweet |
| 23:05.43 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I replaced it, but it dosn't show for me |
| 23:05.50 | JeffM2501 | probably cache |
| 23:06.02 | Tupone | where? bzflag.org ? |
| 23:06.45 | Tupone | yeah, great |
| 23:07.03 | Tupone | I like a light blue better, but is good |
| 23:08.02 | romfis | the light blue, can i maked for 256, and true colors, not for 16 colors |
| 23:08.30 | Tupone | ok, I guessed that |
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| 23:10.26 | JeffM2501 | wonder what one browsers use |
| 23:11.12 | romfis | eh ? |
| 23:11.27 | JeffM2501 | what color depth browsers use |
| 23:11.34 | JeffM2501 | for the favicon |
| 23:12.10 | romfis | puh |
| 23:12.11 | romfis | hm |
| 23:13.45 | romfis | i think 16 colors |
| 23:14.30 | DTRemenak | 16 and 256 |
| 23:14.40 | romfis | ah |
| 23:14.43 | DTRemenak | xp can use 16.7mil also |
| 23:14.55 | DTRemenak | stuff them all in the same ico |
| 23:15.02 | DTRemenak | and everything will be happy |
| 23:15.22 | romfis | lol |
| 23:17.31 | DTRemenak | ooh, laser? |
| 23:17.41 | JeffM2501 | YEAH |
| 23:17.44 | JeffM2501 | opps |
| 23:17.49 | JeffM2501 | in experimental |
| 23:17.53 | JeffM2501 | it's no longer an X |
| 23:17.57 | JeffM2501 | or a + |
| 23:18.17 | DTRemenak | yeah, saw the commit |
| 23:18.39 | JeffM2501 | it's a number of cylinders of various opacitys |
| 23:18.43 | JeffM2501 | inside each other |
| 23:18.56 | JeffM2501 | with a small transperant sphere at each rico point :) |
| 23:19.00 | DTRemenak | heh. how expensive? |
| 23:19.16 | JeffM2501 | oh I'm sure it would eat old cards for breakfast |
| 23:19.23 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 23:19.28 | JeffM2501 | each shot probalby adds a couple 1000 faces |
| 23:19.50 | JeffM2501 | but hey it's experimental right? :) |
| 23:19.57 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:20.29 | JeffM2501 | I will probalby tone down some of the geo tonight, I think most of the detail is lost |
| 23:20.45 | JeffM2501 | but it runs fine on my card :) |
| 23:20.57 | JeffM2501 | even ran somewhat OK on the via onboard on my second machine |
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| 23:28.52 | JeffM2501 | or would that just be mean? |
| 23:34.29 | DTRemenak | that would be evil |
| 23:34.41 | DTRemenak | instant kill of anybody, anywhere |
| 23:35.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:35.18 | JeffM2501 | "you die" |
| 23:35.21 | JeffM2501 | "now you die" |
| 23:35.29 | JeffM2501 | "ohh no I see you... Die" |
| 23:35.35 | blast007 | would cloak be safe? ;) |
| 23:35.42 | JeffM2501 | one would think |
| 23:35.50 | L4m3r | heat-seeking laser :o |
| 23:36.02 | JeffM2501 | tho it would depend on how you define cloak to work |
| 23:36.06 | JeffM2501 | does it bend the light? |
| 23:36.10 | JeffM2501 | or somehow let the light pass thru |
| 23:36.22 | JeffM2501 | if it bends the light around it, that could be too much energy to deflect |
| 23:36.25 | JeffM2501 | or redirect |
| 23:36.38 | JeffM2501 | if you go out of phase and let light pass thru, then it may work |
| 23:41.12 | L4m3r | how does one "free" the mouse and keyboard from the VM when using VMware? |
| 23:41.23 | JeffM2501 | dead chicken |
| 23:41.46 | blast007 | L4m3r: Ctrl + Alt |
| 23:41.52 | L4m3r | thx. |
| 23:42.18 | JeffM2501 | and a dead chicken |
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| 23:54.07 | JeffM2501 | anyone for or against Gnurdux geting his quiet removed? he keeps asking ( and therefor showing he hasn't learned much ) |
| 23:54.20 | L4m3r | what'd he do? |
| 23:54.41 | JeffM2501 | babble spam, tons of questions |
| 23:54.44 | JeffM2501 | basicly anoying |
| 23:54.53 | QBeep | Sounds like my alter ego... |
| 23:55.06 | L4m3r | and he's been silent for how long? |
| 23:55.13 | JeffM2501 | 2 days |
| 23:55.49 | L4m3r | eh... give him a chance. if he decides to be an asshat you can always mute him again, right? ;) |
| 23:56.04 | JeffM2501 | it's his second quiet |
| 23:56.09 | L4m3r | oh. |
| 23:56.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:56.47 | QBeep | Well, if he were on one of my servers, he'd never talk again if he was still doing it after two minor moutes. |
| 23:56.48 | shorty114 | how long was the first quiet? |
| 23:56.49 | QBeep | mutes |
| 23:56.52 | CBG | Let him stew for another day, then give him a "trial". :) |
| 23:57.00 | JeffM2501 | bout a day |
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| 23:57.14 | shorty114 | leave this one on for about a week is what i would do |
| 23:57.20 | shorty114 | 2nd level punishment ;) |
| 23:57.41 | shorty114 | and then if it didn't work, permanent |
| 23:58.09 | JeffM2501 | wen't you on a quiet ban once? |
| 23:58.11 | shorty114 | err if it doesn't |
| 23:58.16 | shorty114 | me? no |
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| 23:58.28 | JeffM2501 | ibot karma shorty114 |
| 23:58.28 | ibot | shorty114 has karma of -476 |
| 23:58.32 | shorty114 | hahaha |
| 23:58.33 | JeffM2501 | you sure? :) |
| 23:58.34 | CBG | eesh |
| 23:58.35 | shorty114 | i remember that |
| 23:58.41 | CBG | that is worse than mine! |
| 23:58.50 | CBG | I thought I was holding a record... |
| 23:58.51 | shorty114 | well, i haven't really done anything to make anybody happy... |
| 23:58.58 | shorty114 | just kinda sit here and shut up |
| 23:59.09 | JeffM2501 | but you did sure as heck piss somone (tm) off |
| 23:59.30 | shorty114 | probably |
| 23:59.37 | shorty114 | i won't outrule it |
| 23:59.38 | A_Meteorite | ibot karma A_Meteorite |
| 23:59.38 | ibot | a_meteorite has neutral karma |
| 23:59.41 | A_Meteorite | oh, yay |
| 23:59.55 | L4m3r | ~karma l4m3r |
| 23:59.55 | ibot | l4m3r has neutral karma |
