| 00:00.00 | Nidhoggr | ./configure --disable-client --enable-adns --with-adns --with-curl |
| 00:00.03 | A_Meteorite | IIRC, first to autogen, then configure |
| 00:00.07 | Nidhoggr | do I still need all of those? |
| 00:00.08 | A_Meteorite | then use Xcode |
| 00:00.09 | Scorch | i already am using make, can i do it again with xcode? |
| 00:00.14 | A_Meteorite | yes |
| 00:00.26 | DTRemenak | Nidhoggr: no adns stuff anymore. curl is mandatory also |
| 00:00.28 | Nidhoggr | I didn't think we were using adns still. |
| 00:00.41 | Nidhoggr | so curl is default, so I don't need --with-curl? |
| 00:00.44 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 00:01.00 | Scorch | ok, can i force kill the make command while its not finished and use xcode? |
| 00:01.10 | Tupone | Nidhoggr: if you do ./configure --help you get all the applicable |
| 00:01.19 | Nidhoggr | I really home this works. |
| 00:01.22 | A_Meteorite | Yes, I think it won't hurt |
| 00:01.27 | Nidhoggr | err hope. |
| 00:01.29 | Scorch | k, killing... |
| 00:01.33 | A_Meteorite | ctrl-c |
| 00:01.38 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, it's not the tarballs fualt |
| 00:01.38 | Nidhoggr | crap. no libcurl installed. |
| 00:01.39 | Scorch | nm, it died with recursive errors. |
| 00:01.40 | JeffM2501 | it's when it was made |
| 00:01.48 | JeffM2501 | the fix for the problem is in cvs |
| 00:01.51 | A_Meteorite | Scorch: there will be errors |
| 00:01.53 | JeffM2501 | it was that little one he made |
| 00:01.57 | A_Meteorite | go to include/common.h |
| 00:01.58 | A_Meteorite | open it |
| 00:02.01 | JeffM2501 | I've tested cvs on the mac and it works |
| 00:02.02 | A_Meteorite | find the line: |
| 00:02.08 | A_Meteorite | #include <cmath> |
| 00:02.09 | A_Meteorite | and take it out |
| 00:02.11 | JeffM2501 | so basicly we NEED another tarball for the mac people to work |
| 00:02.17 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 00:02.21 | DTRemenak | I'll start it building |
| 00:02.24 | Scorch | to build app-package) |
| 00:02.25 | JeffM2501 | danke |
| 00:02.29 | Scorch | oops. |
| 00:02.43 | Scorch | what do i do in xcode to make the package? |
| 00:02.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah tarball dosn't build, cvs does, only change is that one line |
| 00:02.58 | A_Meteorite | command-b |
| 00:03.22 | Nidhoggr | well, if this works, then I'll move secretplace bzfs to this machine, so it doesn't conflict with the services. |
| 00:03.24 | Scorch | but, building doesnt make a package. |
| 00:03.27 | Scorch | does it? |
| 00:03.29 | A_Meteorite | yes |
| 00:03.35 | A_Meteorite | only it'll be place somewhere |
| 00:03.37 | JeffM2501 | Scorch, in xcode it does |
| 00:03.40 | Scorch | i thought it did the same as make, ur at least thats what it did for me. |
| 00:03.46 | A_Meteorite | no |
| 00:03.48 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:03.51 | JeffM2501 | that is the first part |
| 00:03.53 | A_Meteorite | it does an executable application |
| 00:03.54 | Scorch | oh, do you know where it will be placed? |
| 00:03.57 | JeffM2501 | the second part is the package |
| 00:03.59 | JeffM2501 | you look |
| 00:04.02 | JeffM2501 | search |
| 00:04.05 | Scorch | oi. |
| 00:04.07 | JeffM2501 | use the power your computer has |
| 00:04.16 | JeffM2501 | and that of your own brain |
| 00:04.24 | Scorch | yes it has great power, my brian though... |
| 00:04.29 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 00:04.32 | Scorch | :) |
| 00:04.34 | JeffM2501 | whatever, just do it |
| 00:04.41 | Scorch | NEways, i search for bzflag? |
| 00:04.42 | JeffM2501 | now is not a time for munchkin antics |
| 00:04.46 | JeffM2501 | .app |
| 00:04.52 | Scorch | ok. |
| 00:05.00 | JeffM2501 | or just wait for brlcad to post the final binary |
| 00:05.09 | Nidhoggr | I still have to make me a bzflag jail. |
| 00:05.21 | Scorch | i downloaded the tarball from the bzbb, will that build? |
| 00:05.23 | A_Meteorite | Hmmm... I was just wondering.. would using our own binary be optimized or anything? |
| 00:05.29 | JeffM2501 | Scorch, not wiht out changes |
| 00:05.33 | A_Meteorite | because it's built on our own CPU (like the G5) |
| 00:05.38 | Scorch | oh. |
| 00:05.43 | Scorch | an i can get from cvs? |
| 00:05.47 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, not really |
| 00:05.52 | JeffM2501 | Scorch, no it's not updateed |
| 00:05.53 | JeffM2501 | just wait |
| 00:06.01 | A_Meteorite | cvs is two weeks old |
| 00:06.13 | Scorch | so, can i make these changes? im a total c before noob even being a noob. |
| 00:06.22 | Scorch | cPLUSplus that is. |
| 00:06.33 | Scorch | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.57 | Scorch | I wonder why thats a plus sign doesnt show up |
| 00:07.06 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 00:07.09 | JeffM2501 | why do you need it RIGHT now? just wait a smidge |
| 00:07.31 | Scorch | ok, i have negative7 minutes, i can wait :) |
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| 00:08.14 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, so source is good right? don't have to move any tags? |
| 00:08.14 | Scorch | while im waiting, how do i connect to here using an irc client? |
| 00:08.27 | JeffM2501 | cus I was waiting to hit the announce button till you were sure |
| 00:08.36 | JeffM2501 | Scorch, www.freenode.net.. read |
| 00:08.59 | A_Meteorite | heh, mines still building :) |
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| 00:10.18 | A_Meteorite | MacMedia.cxx... |
| 00:10.32 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, do we REALY need your progress report? |
| 00:10.41 | A_Meteorite | Well, not really. |
| 00:10.47 | A_Meteorite | I'll keep it to myself. |
| 00:10.51 | JeffM2501 | or is gnuardux now your personal idol? |
| 00:11.03 | A_Meteorite | Umm.. that would be bad. |
| 00:11.09 | A_Meteorite | (he is NOT) |
| 00:11.09 | JeffM2501 | yes it would be |
| 00:11.19 | A_Meteorite | I'm just sorta excited. :) |
| 00:11.25 | A_Meteorite | but I guess you are too |
| 00:11.32 | JeffM2501 | I'm just trying to get it done |
| 00:12.07 | Teppic | A_Meteorite if you turned of irc it may compile faster |
| 00:12.07 | JeffM2501 | and wading thru all the childish crap is geting anoying |
| 00:12.07 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: very sorry, I won't do anymore useless comments |
| 00:12.08 | JeffM2501 | it's the same verison we've been running for ages, so I'm not sure why everyone is geting all schoolgirl off it |
| 00:12.38 | A_Meteorite | Hmmm.. you're right. |
| 00:12.48 | A_Meteorite | Maybe that error made me really want to test it. :) |
| 00:13.04 | Scorch | sorry to bug, but what port is this? |
| 00:13.06 | JeffM2501 | you could have been testing for the past 2 weeks ;) |
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| 00:13.17 | JeffM2501 | Scorch, default |
| 00:13.17 | A_Meteorite | heh, I had no dev access ;) |
| 00:13.34 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, there have not been major features during the outage |
| 00:13.40 | A_Meteorite | ah, OK |
| 00:13.49 | JeffM2501 | just a couple small fixes |
| 00:14.03 | Scorch | and what is default? 6667, 6660, 6669, 7000, or 994? |
| 00:14.04 | JeffM2501 | functualy this things 99.9% the same as it was 2 weeks ago |
| 00:14.05 | A_Meteorite | But isn't there that new e-mail limit option? |
| 00:14.11 | JeffM2501 | Scorch, your IRC client will know |
| 00:14.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah I think they are bryjen |
| 00:14.29 | A_Meteorite | I don't think so... :( |
| 00:14.40 | A_Meteorite | I don't read magazines, JeffM2501. |
| 00:14.44 | Scorch | is the "rooms" option do i type #bzflag or bzflag? |
| 00:14.54 | JeffM2501 | Scorch, google for IRC help |
| 00:14.55 | JeffM2501 | read |
| 00:14.58 | JeffM2501 | use your brain |
| 00:15.11 | A_Meteorite | or even read bzflag.org, I'm sure it says |
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| 00:16.12 | Scorch1 | ooh, does this work? |
| 00:16.18 | bryjen | no |
| 00:16.20 | Scorch | hooray! thats the client |
| 00:16.21 | Scorch | brb. |
| 00:16.25 | *** part/#bzflag Scorch1 (n=Scorch1@c-71-232-95-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 00:16.39 | JeffM2501 | wow we don't update redhat often do we |
| 00:16.43 | Nidhoggr | what is SDL again? |
| 00:16.44 | JeffM2501 | or slackware |
| 00:16.52 | Nidhoggr | and do I need it to compile server only? |
| 00:16.53 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, used for client sound and window |
| 00:16.55 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:16.55 | A_Meteorite | Simple direct media layer |
| 00:17.14 | JeffM2501 | it should not be needed for server |
| 00:17.14 | JeffM2501 | and if you do't have it the old stuff will be used |
| 00:17.27 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: Doesn't SDL have a network "module"? |
| 00:17.34 | JeffM2501 | it has a couple of them |
| 00:17.34 | A_Meteorite | Like.. for networking games |
| 00:17.41 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: tarballs built. whereto/ |
| 00:17.44 | A_Meteorite | ahh, but BZFlag uses it's own? |
| 00:17.48 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, sourceforge! |
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| 00:17.51 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:17.54 | DTRemenak | k :) |
| 00:18.05 | JeffM2501 | all sdl.net is, is a simple layer on top of sockets |
| 00:18.07 | JeffM2501 | it dosnt' do much |
| 00:18.11 | A_Meteorite | I see |
| 00:18.13 | *** part/#bzflag Scorch (n=Scorch@c-71-232-95-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 00:18.22 | JeffM2501 | there are better libs like raknet, or OpenTNK |
| 00:18.24 | JeffM2501 | TNL |
| 00:18.38 | A_Meteorite | I think one of them is on the ToDo list |
| 00:18.41 | JeffM2501 | and sdl.net dosnt' even use sdl core |
| 00:18.43 | A_Meteorite | a different network lib |
| 00:18.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's been talked about |
| 00:18.53 | JeffM2501 | I've been playing with raknet |
| 00:18.54 | JeffM2501 | it's prety cool |
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| 00:19.20 | BZ-Scorch | ag |
| 00:19.23 | BZ-Scorch | oops |
| 00:19.39 | JeffM2501 | me senses another +q |
| 00:19.59 | BZ-Scorch | what's +q? |
| 00:20.07 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, don't forget to hit the notify button on your way out :) |
| 00:20.14 | DTRemenak | ok :) |
| 00:20.17 | JeffM2501 | BZ-Scorch, keep typing babble and find out |
| 00:20.21 | A_Meteorite | eek, my client crashed |
| 00:20.57 | *** join/#bzflag A_Meteorite (n=A_Meteor@ppp-69-229-216-141.dsl.snlo01.pacbell.net) |
| 00:21.04 | JeffM2501 | so what are we gonna name it? |
| 00:21.07 | JeffM2501 | still fools gold? |
| 00:21.24 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: I like that |
| 00:21.32 | A_Meteorite | But 'tis not my decision |
| 00:21.39 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: changelog has already been updated, no? |
| 00:21.39 | cosmos | Electric Boogaloo |
| 00:21.45 | DTRemenak | what'd we call it there? |
| 00:21.59 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 00:22.00 | A_Meteorite | ooh, it's done, I got to see the limit e-mail thingy :) |
| 00:22.00 | JeffM2501 | we didn't |
| 00:22.04 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:22.06 | JeffM2501 | it's just 2.0.6 |
| 00:22.12 | JeffM2501 | I'll call it "the nameless" |
| 00:22.14 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 00:22.16 | DTRemenak | too late to change now :) |
| 00:22.17 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 00:22.34 | brlcad | JeffM2501: no tag moving |
| 00:22.43 | brlcad | i think.. someone tagged? |
| 00:23.01 | JeffM2501 | how boout borken_chaos ;) |
| 00:23.07 | menotume | brlcad: didn't work, hit-detection was whacked |
| 00:23.23 | JeffM2501 | I kinda like "the name less" |
| 00:23.28 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I tagged |
| 00:23.31 | JeffM2501 | I hope |
| 00:23.33 | Nidhoggr | well, the cobalt isn't working out. |
| 00:23.42 | JeffM2501 | I hit the tag buggon |
| 00:23.45 | JeffM2501 | and it did stuff |
| 00:24.27 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:24.54 | JeffM2501 | how bout Nameless Wonder |
| 00:24.55 | A_Meteorite | well, I see one thing.. |
| 00:25.01 | Nidhoggr | I think cobalt has bad RAM. getting lots of signal 11 during compiles. |
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| 00:25.07 | brlcad | tag name? |
| 00:25.11 | Nidhoggr | will have to change that out. |
| 00:25.20 | A_Meteorite | maybe it's just me: when I spawned the effect was unusually dark and blackish |
| 00:25.26 | A_Meteorite | never seen it before |
| 00:25.27 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: why dont you save that for when you really can't think of a name :) |
| 00:25.27 | Tupone | ChangeLog is wrong :/ |
| 00:25.34 | JeffM2501 | v2_0_6 |
| 00:25.39 | dralnix|AFK | I was on viper.pimpi |
| 00:25.42 | A_Meteorite | and.. the shots don't look shiny.. I bet it's me again |
| 00:25.45 | brlcad | yeah, there's a laundry list in DEVINFO that should be checked |
| 00:25.49 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:25.51 | brlcad | may have to move the tag |
| 00:25.59 | JeffM2501 | lets fix it, move the tag and re-up the sources |
| 00:25.59 | dralnix|AFK | and all of a sudden my take said my team was unavailable |
| 00:26.01 | JeffM2501 | and pick a name |
| 00:26.13 | dralnix|AFK | and the it joined me to "Team Invalid" |
| 00:26.22 | Teppic | <JeffM2501> and pick a name; the king of make believe |
| 00:26.25 | dralnix|AFK | my tank was black with yellow bullets |
| 00:26.34 | brlcad | "excessive corruption" |
| 00:26.35 | orange | ?orange.*autogen |
| 00:26.36 | dralnix|AFK | that ever happen before to anyone? |
| 00:26.37 | JeffM2501 | we did have 'queen of maybe" |
| 00:26.38 | orange | oops |
| 00:27.30 | JeffM2501 | BZFlag 2.0.6 "good enough for you" |
| 00:27.33 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 00:27.47 | orange | hmmm, I can't get autogen.sh to work |
| 00:27.51 | crazyme | Has it been released? |
| 00:28.10 | JeffM2501 | bzflag 2.0.6 "like you could do better?" |
| 00:28.12 | brlcad | how about "good enough for now" |
| 00:28.23 | JeffM2501 | I'm fine with that ;) |
| 00:28.30 | dralnix|AFK | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.32 | JeffM2501 | name it and fix the changelog ;) |
| 00:28.38 | dralnix|AFK | like cewbacca's blog |
| 00:28.44 | dralnix|AFK | *chewbacca |
| 00:28.46 | A_Meteorite | for some reason lighting was off and when I turned it on shots looked much better, false alarm :) |
| 00:28.56 | JeffM2501 | bzflag 2.0.6 "the saddest wookie" |
| 00:29.02 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:29.34 | orange | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/48814 |
| 00:29.35 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you can stop the tarballs if they are still going |
| 00:29.42 | orange | ^^ autoconf issues |
| 00:29.42 | A_Meteorite | bzflag 2.0.6 "the last of it's kind" |
| 00:29.43 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, we have to fix the changelog |
| 00:29.44 | dralnix|AFK | anyone ever had that happen? being suddenly joined to team invalid? |
| 00:30.00 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: they're already on the ftp site, gotta add them to sf and then delete them to get rid of them |
| 00:30.05 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:30.08 | A_Meteorite | (as in the last of 2.0.x) |
| 00:30.21 | JeffM2501 | I knew there would be a problemn found once I hit the "notify" button |
| 00:30.35 | crazyme | What happened? |
| 00:30.44 | JeffM2501 | changelog is wrong |
| 00:30.51 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: i thnk that reference would be lost on most :( |
| 00:30.53 | JeffM2501 | basicly just admin stuff |
| 00:30.57 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, sadly |
| 00:30.58 | crazyme | Shoot. I hate it when that happens. |
| 00:31.11 | JeffM2501 | it's easy to fix |
| 00:31.19 | JeffM2501 | all we have to do is upload the sources again |
| 00:31.27 | crazyme | I run several projects which haven't made it to SF yet. I know about changelogs. |
| 00:31.51 | *** part/#bzflag dralnix|AFK (i=drx@216-174-143-125.prna.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) |
| 00:32.24 | JeffM2501 | so "good enough for now" ok for with everyone? |
| 00:32.35 | A_Meteorite | yes |
| 00:32.40 | blast007 | sounds good :) |
| 00:32.41 | menotume | 2.0.6 name : "I't about time" |
| 00:32.45 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 00:32.56 | JeffM2501 | actualy it's one of our fastest ones IIRC |
| 00:33.01 | JeffM2501 | wasn't 2.0.0 just a year ago |
| 00:33.11 | menotume | when was 2.0.4 ? |
| 00:33.21 | A_Meteorite | a couple months ago |
| 00:33.24 | A_Meteorite | like in December |
| 00:33.25 | JeffM2501 | september |
| 00:33.26 | menotume | err |
| 00:33.28 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 00:33.28 | crazyme | October. |
| 00:33.33 | JeffM2501 | september |
| 00:33.33 | A_Meteorite | OctobeR??! |
| 00:33.39 | crazyme | Oh, september. Sorry. |
| 00:33.46 | JeffM2501 | it was released september 30th ;) |
| 00:33.50 | Teppic | The build date was 09 |
| 00:33.51 | crazyme | I downloaded it in October. |
| 00:33.52 | A_Meteorite | wow, my dates were really off :) |
| 00:34.01 | purple_cow | and we had to walk uphill both ways to get there! |
| 00:34.07 | menotume | :) |
| 00:34.09 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, on dialup! |
| 00:34.21 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 00:34.24 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.0 was january of last year |
| 00:34.26 | crazyme | Scary how good it looks compared to the 1.X versions |
| 00:34.26 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 00:34.28 | purple_cow | of course |
| 00:34.33 | JeffM2501 | so we are geting 3 in just over a year |
| 00:34.46 | crazyme | And that was only a little over a year ago. |
| 00:34.49 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, you doing the change log? or do I have to do something? |
| 00:34.59 | brlcad | i am |
| 00:35.01 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:35.02 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:35.13 | JeffM2501 | cus I was gonna say " I gots no clue" :) |
| 00:35.15 | JeffM2501 | mmm food |
| 00:35.16 | crazyme | Isn't it great having people to do things for you Jeff? |
| 00:35.17 | menotume | wait! I have a change to make :P |
| 00:35.26 | JeffM2501 | bzflag 2.0.6 "pancake mistress" |
| 00:35.41 | TimRiker | pancake mistress? |
| 00:35.53 | menotume | 2.0.6: "Deal or No Deal" |
| 00:35.54 | JeffM2501 | oh THAT one you chime in on? ;) |
| 00:35.58 | TimRiker | :) |
| 00:36.04 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 00:36.11 | CBG | lol menotume |
| 00:36.18 | TimRiker | anyone get the last couple I named? |
| 00:36.25 | TimRiker | queen of maybe? |
| 00:37.05 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:37.17 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, said "food" and that just poped into my head |
| 00:37.32 | TimRiker | heh. well I'll leave it as an excersize for the student. |
| 00:37.39 | JeffM2501 | cus you know.. pancakes and lingere... |
| 00:37.55 | brlcad | so we decided on a name? |
| 00:37.56 | A_Meteorite | neither do I |
| 00:37.57 | menotume | Irvin M. ? |
| 00:37.59 | Teppic | Your not right Jeff, i just have to say... |
| 00:38.14 | JeffM2501 | "good enough for now" is fine :) |
| 00:38.30 | JeffM2501 | acutaly that's the only one tim named in the past year |
| 00:38.35 | JeffM2501 | I did the last one |
| 00:38.38 | JeffM2501 | so it's not my turn |
| 00:39.13 | menotume | 'Genesis' |
| 00:39.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: fit to column 80, stamp 2.0.6 as 'good enough for now' |
| 00:39.22 | JeffM2501 | it's not the start of anything |
| 00:39.27 | menotume | Earl of Mar |
| 00:39.36 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:39.43 | JeffM2501 | it taged? |
| 00:39.51 | brlcad | no, give me a min |
| 00:39.57 | JeffM2501 | slacker ;) |
| 00:40.08 | brlcad | going through the list |
| 00:40.10 | JeffM2501 | actualy I don't need a tag |
| 00:40.13 | JeffM2501 | ahh yeah the list |
| 00:40.36 | brlcad | hmm.. i doubt bzfs_conf.html is up to date |
| 00:40.41 | brlcad | but it'll have to slide |
| 00:40.50 | menotume | 'King of Definitely' |
| 00:41.02 | TimRiker | hehe. though you miss the point. |
| 00:41.12 | menotume | :) |
| 00:41.18 | JeffM2501 | I don't think anyone gets it TimRiker |
| 00:41.25 | TimRiker | menotume does. |
| 00:41.34 | JeffM2501 | ok besides him |
| 00:41.38 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 00:41.40 | menotume | google does :P |
| 00:41.44 | TimRiker | :) |
| 00:42.16 | menotume | "dancing with the moonlit knight" |
| 00:42.19 | brlcad | any version numbers in the win32 build files? |
| 00:42.30 | JeffM2501 | I updated them allready |
| 00:42.34 | TimRiker | menotume: too obvious. ya gotta get more obscure. |
| 00:42.39 | brlcad | as RC1 or STABLE? |
| 00:42.41 | menotume | "moonlit knight" |
| 00:42.43 | menotume | :) |
| 00:42.45 | brlcad | or just 2.0.6 |
| 00:42.56 | JeffM2501 | the windows binary is stable |
| 00:43.02 | JeffM2501 | the installer just has 2.0.6 |
| 00:43.13 | JeffM2501 | as well as the verison in the manifest file |
| 00:43.15 | menotume | "Hope & Glory" |
| 00:43.25 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 00:43.34 | JeffM2501 | records |
| 00:43.35 | a-delusion | Pork Soda |
| 00:43.39 | JeffM2501 | that's so 20th |
| 00:43.48 | JeffM2501 | bacon is a vegatable! |
| 00:44.11 | *** join/#bzflag BZ-Scorch (n=BZ-Scorc@c-71-232-95-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 00:44.13 | TimRiker | total world domination |
| 00:44.36 | DTRemenak | so, we ready for tarballs now? |
| 00:45.01 | *** part/#bzflag BZ-Scorch (n=BZ-Scorc@c-71-232-95-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 00:45.07 | menotume | ok, one last one ... "loud and Round" |
| 00:45.13 | orange | is the .zip file there official? |
| 00:45.23 | JeffM2501 | bzflag 2.0.6 "it likes big butts" |
| 00:45.28 | menotume | lol |
| 00:45.39 | TimRiker | "fat bottom tanks" |
| 00:45.42 | menotume | that's so ..... 90's |
| 00:45.45 | crazyme | That one works. |
| 00:45.48 | crazyme | ;) |
| 00:45.51 | orange | I guess ~ask doesn't apply when the devs are naming the release :-) |
| 00:46.07 | menotume | ~ask |
| 00:46.09 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a quesiton first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 00:46.26 | JeffM2501 | orange, the zip just got removed |
| 00:46.28 | JeffM2501 | it's being updated |
| 00:46.30 | A_Meteorite | Oh, I already see two mistakes I make all the time |
| 00:46.33 | menotume | orange: that pastebin didn't respond for me |
| 00:46.46 | orange | really? http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/48814 works for me |
| 00:46.59 | menotume | ahh, now it does |
| 00:47.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/README: bump version to 2.0.6, time to release |
| 00:47.46 | orange | (I'm not complaining, you guys have your fun and I'll worry about compiling tomorrow :-) |
| 00:49.32 | brlcad | okay, we should be good to go |
| 00:49.40 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:49.45 | JeffM2501 | I'm redoing the zip |
| 00:49.47 | brlcad | someone making the make dist? |
| 00:49.50 | JeffM2501 | and making the news post |
| 00:49.57 | A_Meteorite | awesome |
| 00:49.58 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you can go again :) |
| 00:50.37 | crazyme | I love how well you people work together. Wish I could find some devs like that... |
| 00:51.41 | JeffM2501 | we work together? |
| 00:52.20 | brlcad | so, we get a new dmg background? |
| 00:52.34 | brlcad | saturos and company |
| 00:52.40 | crazyme | Well, you do a good job of making it look like you work together. That's just as important. |
| 00:52.59 | JeffM2501 | didn't he send you one? |
| 00:53.12 | JeffM2501 | crazyme, we only work thos close together at release time |
| 00:53.19 | JeffM2501 | we SHOULD do it more often |
| 00:53.26 | crazyme | I see. That's the important time though. |
| 00:53.39 | crazyme | Who cares what happens the rest of the time. ;) |
| 00:53.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/NEWS: Message sounds consistenly don't play when from self |
| 00:53.58 | brlcad | JeffM2501: nope |
| 00:54.10 | JeffM2501 | I guess we don't |
| 00:54.15 | JeffM2501 | unless you want to use the one I sent you |
| 00:54.20 | brlcad | too small |
| 00:54.21 | JeffM2501 | he made that one |
| 00:54.22 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 00:54.35 | JeffM2501 | or you bust one out from his backgrounds |
| 00:54.35 | brlcad | could gonk one of the ones from his server |
| 00:54.41 | JeffM2501 | again! |
| 00:54.43 | brlcad | see?1 |
| 00:55.37 | brlcad | ~seen saturos |
| 00:55.43 | ibot | saturos <n=Saturos@p54BFE856.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #essy, 1d 8h 33m 17s ago, saying: 'D'. |
| 00:56.04 | brlcad | ahh, germany.. probably asleep |
| 00:56.16 | JeffM2501 | should be simple to get one of the white ones |
| 00:56.19 | JeffM2501 | need a URL? |
| 00:56.40 | crazyme | So we're the only ones who get the cool folder background? |
| 00:56.45 | brlcad | sure |
| 00:56.59 | brlcad | we're the only ones that get a folder |
| 00:57.06 | brlcad | though the installer has an image now too |
| 00:57.07 | JeffM2501 | crazyme, mac is the only one that odsn't use an installer or source :) |
| 00:57.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:57.14 | brlcad | s/the installer/the win32 installer/ |
| 00:57.18 | crazyme | Macs rule |
| 00:57.19 | JeffM2501 | the windows installer has nice saturos art now |
| 00:57.37 | *** join/#bzflag BZ-Scorch (n=BZ-Scorc@c-71-232-95-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 00:57.48 | crazyme | Why don't you make an installer for mac? |
| 00:57.55 | JeffM2501 | cus didn't realy need to |
| 00:57.58 | JeffM2501 | it's one drag |
| 00:58.01 | crazyme | Good point. |
| 00:58.08 | brlcad | more simple, more flexible |
| 00:58.10 | BZ-Scorch | cs |
| 00:58.11 | crazyme | It's more for Windows? |
| 00:58.13 | BZ-Scorch | oop. |
| 00:58.21 | *** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 00:58.26 | JeffM2501 | http://bzflag.saturos.de/bzart/bzart23.png |
| 00:58.34 | JeffM2501 | that's probalby good to pull from |
| 00:58.41 | JeffM2501 | maybe desaturate it a bit |
| 00:58.41 | A_Meteorite | wow, that's pretty |
| 00:58.43 | spldart | yay... 2..0.6! |
| 00:58.47 | brlcad | yeah, that one might work as-is |
| 00:59.10 | BZ-Scorch | that is pretty, I could make a mac installer i think. |
| 00:59.12 | JeffM2501 | 24 isn't bad ether |
| 00:59.26 | A_Meteorite | Mac installer would be awesome |
| 00:59.28 | crazyme | Cool. Don't desatureat. Make it a bit opaque, and put the App under the red barrel. |
| 00:59.58 | BZ-Scorch | what does desatureat mean, and what are you talking about with this barrell and opaque? |
| 01:00.18 | JeffM2501 | BZ-Scorch, google is your firend |
| 01:00.25 | crazyme | I messed up desaturate. Sorry. |
| 01:00.52 | brlcad | A_Meteorite: why? |
| 01:00.54 | BZ-Scorch | i g2g bye. |
| 01:00.56 | *** part/#bzflag BZ-Scorch (n=BZ-Scorc@c-71-232-95-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 01:00.58 | TimRiker | should start a torrent someplace. |
| 01:01.18 | JeffM2501 | for what? |
| 01:01.19 | bryjen | perhaps in a teacup |
| 01:01.32 | A_Meteorite | brlcad: I don't know.. it would be kinda cool to see all that artwork to good use :) |
| 01:02.22 | brlcad | A_Meteorite: you see it as the disk image background already.. |
| 01:02.43 | A_Meteorite | brlcad: the more the merrier, I think that explains it ;) |
| 01:03.23 | crazyme | I can do installers for you if you want them. All the .pkg stuff comes with the dev-tools. |
| 01:03.28 | brlcad | meh, less practical and limiting |
| 01:03.36 | crazyme | Of course, you have the dev tools too... |
| 01:03.38 | JeffM2501 | it's one file to drag |
| 01:03.43 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't NEED an install |
| 01:03.48 | brlcad | making a pkg isn't the issue |
| 01:03.58 | brlcad | they're trivial to piece together by hand even |
| 01:04.03 | crazyme | I know it doesn't, but people seem to want them... |
| 01:04.15 | crazyme | True. |
| 01:04.26 | brlcad | we've had zero confusion about how to install/run bz on mac to date, it's a good thing |
| 01:04.44 | crazyme | Again, true. |
| 01:05.12 | A_Meteorite | there's something about installers |
| 01:06.56 | JeffM2501 | they make sense if you have a complex install |
| 01:07.06 | JeffM2501 | or even more then one file |
| 01:07.09 | JeffM2501 | like windows |
| 01:07.13 | crazyme | But it's so easy on macs. Got to love it. |
| 01:07.13 | JeffM2501 | but a single drag... |
| 01:07.19 | JeffM2501 | heck even the DMG is overkill |
| 01:07.24 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 01:07.26 | crazyme | That's true... |
| 01:07.29 | A_Meteorite | the dmg does compress it |
| 01:07.42 | brlcad | this backing is going to look slick |
| 01:07.43 | crazyme | But .dmg is a standard thing. |
| 01:07.47 | JeffM2501 | so does sit, or tarball |
| 01:07.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah it is |
| 01:07.51 | JeffM2501 | so we do it |
| 01:07.54 | JeffM2501 | but it's not NEEDED |
| 01:07.59 | crazyme | What did you do to it? |
| 01:08.08 | brlcad | so is drag to install, that's the Apple HIG preferred method, installer is secondary |
| 01:08.16 | crazyme | True. |
| 01:08.22 | JeffM2501 | how does 2.0.6 get into gentoo? |
| 01:08.31 | crazyme | What I hate is a .pkg inside of a .dmg. |
| 01:08.54 | Teppic | I just wroyte the gentoo ebuild. |
| 01:09.12 | JeffM2501 | how does it get submited into the emerge system? |
| 01:09.55 | Teppic | Upload the ebuild and patchsets etc to the bugzilla site, then it gets put into the portage tree if it works for enough people. |
| 01:09.58 | menotume | I have a question about the ZIP file .... |
| 01:10.07 | menotume | Is autogen.sh SUPPOSED to have CR's in it ? |
| 01:10.17 | menotume | got to do dos2unix to run it |
| 01:10.17 | crazyme | Do you think 2.0.6 will run on a 10.2 iBook in windowed mode? It has to go to windowed first, or it doesn't work. |
| 01:10.17 | JeffM2501 | the zip is totaly in windows format |
| 01:10.23 | menotume | ahh, okies |
| 01:10.27 | JeffM2501 | it's for windows users |
| 01:10.33 | menotume | k |
| 01:10.34 | JeffM2501 | the tarballs are in nix |
| 01:10.38 | JeffM2501 | that's the diff between em :L) |
| 01:10.43 | menotume | heh |
| 01:11.01 | menotume | wasn't sure about shellscripts in windoze |
| 01:11.02 | spldart | bzzt... |
| 01:11.12 | JeffM2501 | windows can run them |
| 01:11.14 | JeffM2501 | if it has make |
| 01:11.18 | menotume | gotya |
| 01:11.18 | Teppic | Yeah, i worked that out when I had to sed all the eol charaters... |
| 01:11.57 | JeffM2501 | the problem is that many of the unzipers on windows, that read tarballs don't do a conversion |
| 01:12.05 | JeffM2501 | so windows users were unable to build from them |
| 01:12.13 | JeffM2501 | so I started doing windows format zip files |
| 01:12.25 | JeffM2501 | since XP can unzip now out of the box |
| 01:14.05 | JeffM2501 | god I hate our wiki |
| 01:14.13 | JeffM2501 | "please enter a valid user ID" |
| 01:14.21 | menotume | yes, that's outrageous |
| 01:14.26 | menotume | just create a new one |
| 01:14.27 | menotume | : |
| 01:14.34 | JeffM2501 | I can't |
| 01:14.37 | JeffM2501 | it keeps saying that |
| 01:14.40 | JeffM2501 | when I try |
| 01:14.50 | menotume | oh yeah, got to hit the right button :) |
| 01:15.13 | crazyme | lol |
| 01:15.18 | JeffM2501 | oh at the bottom |
| 01:15.30 | menotume | somewhere, i don't recall |
| 01:15.37 | menotume | mine stays logged in |
| 01:15.48 | JeffM2501 | can we tie it into fourm accounts? |
| 01:15.52 | JeffM2501 | mine dosn't :( |
| 01:15.55 | *** part/#bzflag a-delusion (n=a-delusi@pool-68-162-164-120.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 01:16.23 | *** join/#bzflag a-delusion (n=a-delusi@pool-68-162-164-120.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 01:16.26 | DTRemenak | tarballs up |
| 01:16.31 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 01:16.32 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 01:16.38 | JeffM2501 | I'm updating the downloads page now |
| 01:16.46 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, want to do the fourm anoucement? |
| 01:17.11 | DTRemenak | have brlcad do it :) |
| 01:17.22 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 01:17.25 | JeffM2501 | it is his turn |
| 01:18.07 | menotume | "Everyone go get 'Good Enough for Now', it's great !" |
| 01:18.16 | menotume | :P |
| 01:18.40 | crazyme | Someone want to change the topic? |
| 01:20.03 | *** topic/#bzflag by DTRemenak -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat for casual chat || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is now 2.1 unstable || Version 2.0.6 Released - v2_0_6 tag in CVS or grab from sf.net |
| 01:20.25 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o DTRemenak] by DTRemenak |
| 01:20.50 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat for casual chat || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is now 2.1 unstable, use it for new commits || Version 2.0.6 Released - v2_0_6 tag in CVS or grab from sf.net |
| 01:21.06 | crazyme | Very good. Is the mac binary up? |
| 01:21.25 | brlcad | with all your questions |
| 01:21.26 | JeffM2501 | look and see |
| 01:21.37 | crazyme | Might as well. |
| 01:21.39 | brlcad | it has been delayed indefinitely |
| 01:22.01 | JeffM2501 | poor mac users |
| 01:22.18 | JeffM2501 | well if they have a new mac, they can use boot camp and run that nice new windows installer I just put up |
| 01:22.31 | A_Meteorite | ew |
| 01:22.54 | Teppic | Damn sf is slow. |
| 01:22.56 | JeffM2501 | then maybe mac users should let the man work ;) |
| 01:23.04 | JeffM2501 | we we haven't hit mirrors yet |
| 01:23.24 | crazyme | You haven't hit the main site either. It still says 2.0.4. |
| 01:23.32 | Teppic | Refresh..... |
| 01:24.01 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it all takes time to update |
| 01:24.20 | crazyme | Still the same. |
| 01:24.34 | brlcad | imagine that |
| 01:24.55 | Teppic | http://osdn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.6.tar.bz2 |
| 01:25.20 | Teppic | Now no one say anything, I need that link to finish the ebuild... |
| 01:27.15 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (n=spldart@cpe-67-10-221-4.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 01:29.34 | brlcad | welp, the dmg is now ready, just waiting for the compile |
| 01:29.39 | brlcad | was this one going to be 10.2 ready? |
| 01:30.02 | JeffM2501 | I think you wanted this to be the last one yeah |
| 01:30.16 | JeffM2501 | then we go to 10.3 and universal for 2.2 |
| 01:30.30 | JeffM2501 | I was fine with just 10.3 ;) |
| 01:30.37 | spldart | umm |
| 01:30.38 | JeffM2501 | can you do a universal too? |
| 01:30.48 | JeffM2501 | later maybe |
| 01:30.50 | brlcad | not with the hardware i have on hand tonight |
| 01:30.54 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:30.54 | brlcad | could do it later though |
| 01:31.06 | JeffM2501 | it would be nice to have one up at some point for the new macs |
| 01:31.18 | brlcad | yeah |
| 01:31.20 | spldart | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -r v2_0_6 bzflag ??? |
| 01:31.29 | brlcad | i'll care a lot more when my laptop arrives :) |
| 01:31.36 | A_Meteorite | spldart: it's not updated yet |
| 01:31.38 | JeffM2501 | ahh they ordered you one finaly |
| 01:31.40 | spldart | oh |
| 01:31.42 | spldart | sorry |
| 01:31.47 | JeffM2501 | spldart, use the source tarball |
| 01:31.50 | A_Meteorite | cvs is about two weeks behind |
| 01:31.55 | spldart | ah |
| 01:31.56 | JeffM2501 | anon cvs is not being synced to dev right now |
| 01:32.02 | brlcad | still will be a couple months unfortunately |
| 01:32.25 | JeffM2501 | do you have to do a uni on an intel mac? |
| 01:32.38 | brlcad | nah |
| 01:32.46 | brlcad | but has to be latest 10.4 |
| 01:32.56 | JeffM2501 | ok so I could do one later |
| 01:33.06 | brlcad | theoretically |
| 01:33.22 | JeffM2501 | well time to reinstall leenox on the main |
| 01:33.25 | brlcad | theoretically should just be a matter of -arch ppc -arch x86 |
| 01:34.03 | A_Meteorite | brlcad: so, that means someone could compile a Linux binary, on let's say a Mac? |
| 01:34.19 | Teppic | A_Meteorite yes |
| 01:36.12 | JeffM2501 | techincaly you can do windows builds on linux |
| 01:36.15 | JeffM2501 | and problby a mac too |
| 01:36.44 | JeffM2501 | tho they run like linux builds and not windows builds ;) |
| 01:37.15 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 01:37.22 | eXtreme | could you do it the other way around... linux build on windows? |
| 01:38.00 | JeffM2501 | using gcc yeah |
| 01:38.06 | JeffM2501 | not with visual studio I don't think |
| 01:38.24 | eXtreme | wow |
| 01:38.49 | JeffM2501 | gcc can cross compile for a number of systems |
| 01:39.51 | eXtreme | I see |
| 01:43.32 | JeffM2501 | then plugins would work woudln't they? |
| 01:43.59 | brlcad | i don't recall if that's still a problem |
| 01:44.12 | brlcad | it would give a stack trace on crashes, though |
| 01:44.26 | JeffM2501 | not a bad thing |
| 01:44.28 | brlcad | going to leave em in for once, just to see who complains |
| 01:44.30 | JeffM2501 | how much space doe sit add |
| 01:44.36 | brlcad | it'll make the download like 10x :) |
| 01:44.42 | JeffM2501 | sweet |
| 01:44.54 | JeffM2501 | screw dialup users |
| 01:46.34 | trepan | could make both |
| 01:46.55 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 01:48.33 | brlcad | ah, not too bad once the dmg is compressed |
| 01:48.44 | brlcad | only a little more than 2x |
| 01:48.52 | brlcad | 30MB instead of 13MB |
| 01:48.54 | JeffM2501 | so like 30ish megs |
| 01:48.57 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:48.58 | JeffM2501 | damn |
| 01:50.51 | CBG | heh.. I read that as a question at first. |
| 01:51.06 | brlcad | heh, 10 minuets to upload |
| 01:51.13 | CBG | was gonna say "I dunno - how does it go?" |
| 01:51.25 | JeffM2501 | it involves thowing things |
| 01:51.28 | JeffM2501 | and much cursing |
| 01:51.30 | CBG | heh |
| 01:51.34 | JeffM2501 | I think it's scottish in origin |
| 01:53.04 | spldart | mmMMMmm scotish whiskey |
| 01:53.20 | DTRemenak | hm, since this is a "stable" "release" one would think that it should not crash, and there should be no reason for debug symbols, eh? :) |
| 01:53.52 | JeffM2501 | that's why we should have said RELEASE not "STABLE' ;) |
| 01:54.16 | JeffM2501 | mmm halle berry |
| 01:56.38 | brlcad | i agree |
| 01:57.50 | brlcad | to the "it shouldn't crash", "there should be no reason..", "should have said RELEASE", and "mmm halle berry" |
| 01:57.54 | JeffM2501 | heh and I get 1920x1200 right off the bat on a new install |
| 01:58.39 | JeffM2501 | mmmm halle berry on a trampolene |
| 01:58.40 | a-delusion | umm, does that mean the .dmg is posted? |
| 01:58.46 | JeffM2501 | look and see |
| 01:58.49 | CBG | Saturos's bzart is nice for a background to the .dmg - but a nice pic of Halle Berry would be better! :) |
| 01:59.24 | brlcad | a-delusion: sign up for the email commit notification and you'll know the instant it posts |
| 01:59.41 | brlcad | s/commit/release/ |
| 02:00.05 | CBG | Only if he checks his email constantly. :) |
| 02:00.09 | a-delusion | thankyou for the advice, i need so much |
| 02:00.43 | CBG | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7613 |
| 02:00.44 | brlcad | JeffM2501: so i've uploaded the dmg to beta for testing before uploading to sf .. but it's only 10.3 |
| 02:01.06 | brlcad | i'll kick off the 10.2 before going to sleep for the final that'll go up to sf.net tomorrow morning |
| 02:01.08 | spldart | mmmMMMMmmm My wife on Halle Berry on a trampoline :-p |
| 02:01.19 | CBG | spldart: heh |
| 02:01.51 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 02:02.46 | JeffM2501 | didn't he hate his wife? |
| 02:03.08 | brlcad | for anyone NOT on 10.2 .. you can give it a try here: http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/BZFlag_2.0.6.dmg |
| 02:03.24 | TimRiker | hmm. libdirectfb now needed? |
| 02:03.41 | brlcad | if you're on 10.2 and I hear that it doesn't run, I will likely try to hurt you |
| 02:03.58 | DTRemenak | yay for remote violence |
| 02:04.04 | brlcad | TimRiker: shouldn't be.. |
| 02:04.16 | brlcad | maybe a sdl dep. |
| 02:04.17 | *** join/#bzflag argiopeweb (n=root@user-0c6sult.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 02:04.47 | a-delusion | * Support for -window on Mac command line executions - Sean Morrison |
| 02:04.56 | a-delusion | what player name does he have |
| 02:05.01 | JeffM2501 | brlcad |
| 02:05.17 | CBG | That's been working for me for some time now... |
| 02:05.21 | a-delusion | woop sorry, wrong channel.... |
| 02:05.37 | brlcad | learner took care of that |
| 02:06.05 | argiopeweb | That was a bit odd. I never worked quite right. |
| 02:06.11 | a-delusion | sounds like it was a battle |
| 02:06.23 | argiopeweb | Hopefully this means I can run BZFlag on my iBook now. :) |
| 02:06.35 | brlcad | it worked before, there were just problems |
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| 02:06.43 | brlcad | like key input and focus control |
| 02:06.56 | argiopeweb | Yeah, and the problems killed it. If you can't focus, you're out of luck. |
| 02:07.09 | brlcad | so that problem was fixed |
| 02:07.28 | brlcad | now works fine on a -window |
| 02:08.22 | brlcad | anyone try out the dmg yet? |
| 02:08.28 | CBG | I'm about to... |
| 02:08.59 | argiopeweb | Where is it? |
| 02:09.08 | eXtreme | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/BZFlag_2.0.6.dmg |
| 02:09.12 | brlcad | things to check are that 1) automounts and opens window, 2) only has one icon, 3) has new title on launch |
| 02:09.28 | brlcad | argiopeweb: not for 10.2 just in case you're "one of them" |
| 02:09.47 | argiopeweb | Yep, this machine won't run 10.4, and I never got 10.3. Shoot. |
| 02:09.57 | brlcad | oh, and 4) has new background |
| 02:10.05 | brlcad | yeah, it won't work for you so no bother even trying |
| 02:10.18 | argiopeweb | My playing machine runs 10.4, but I won't get to it till tomorrow. |
| 02:10.20 | CBG | one icon? in the folder? or in game somewhere? |
| 02:10.22 | brlcad | i'll have the 10.2 rebuild tomorrow |
| 02:10.27 | brlcad | in the folder |
| 02:10.38 | argiopeweb | Oh well, I'll have to be patient... |
| 02:10.39 | CBG | yep, only one. with the right background |
| 02:11.01 | brlcad | icon in the bottom right? |
| 02:11.08 | CBG | yep - it also automounts. |
| 02:11.12 | brlcad | good |
| 02:11.14 | CBG | the new title...? |
| 02:11.20 | brlcad | launch it |
| 02:11.27 | CBG | I saw the old one |
| 02:11.35 | brlcad | do you have a -directory in your config? |
| 02:11.47 | CBG | oh, wait... |
| 02:11.54 | CBG | the new one is the oval? |
| 02:12.06 | brlcad | the new one says 2.0.6 in the image |
| 02:12.19 | CBG | I have the old one then. |
| 02:12.32 | brlcad | do you have a directory line in your config? |
| 02:12.39 | CBG | ah. yes. |
| 02:12.41 | brlcad | i.e. have you run it from the command line before |
| 02:13.07 | brlcad | delete your config, or at least remove that line |
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| 02:13.19 | CBG | it's all fine. |
| 02:13.24 | JeffM2501 | background looks good |
| 02:13.27 | CBG | once I commented out that line. :) |
| 02:13.58 | brlcad | CBG: and you're on .3 or .4? |
| 02:14.19 | CBG | .3.9 |
| 02:14.19 | brlcad | k |
| 02:14.19 | brlcad | thx |
| 02:14.24 | CBG | np. thank YOU guys |
| 02:15.49 | A_Meteorite | I may not get to it today |
| 02:15.54 | A_Meteorite | sorry, but I'll try compiling tomorrow |
| 02:16.16 | CBG | compiling..? |
| 02:16.25 | A_Meteorite | eek |
| 02:16.27 | A_Meteorite | wrong channel |
| 02:17.15 | CBG | so, the 2.0.6 I have now is the same that will be on sourceforge? no need to download that? |
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| 02:19.41 | eXtreme | is autogen.sh broken for anyone else? |
| 02:19.58 | Teppic | eXtreme os? |
| 02:20.04 | eXtreme | linux |
| 02:20.12 | Teppic | more descriptive? |
| 02:20.18 | eXtreme | debian :) |
| 02:20.33 | Teppic | No good with deb, sorry.... |
| 02:20.38 | eXtreme | k, np |
| 02:20.49 | orange | extreme |
| 02:20.52 | orange | are you using the zip? |
| 02:20.55 | orange | or a tar.gz? |
| 02:20.56 | eXtreme | yes |
| 02:21.00 | eXtreme | zip |
| 02:21.00 | orange | get the tar.gz |
| 02:21.05 | eXtreme | ah k |
| 02:21.11 | JeffM2501 | the zip is windows format |
| 02:21.18 | eXtreme | ohh |
| 02:21.19 | DTRemenak | zip uses cr/lf pairs |
| 02:21.30 | DTRemenak | screws with the shell |
| 02:21.39 | eXtreme | heh |
| 02:21.49 | orange | with very non-obvious results |
| 02:22.02 | Teppic | They are windows notepad files. |
| 02:22.18 | DTRemenak | or run dos2unix on autogen.sh, configure.in, include/config.h.in, and include/version.h |
| 02:22.32 | brlcad | CBG: basically |
| 02:22.40 | CBG | brlcad: ok, thanks. |
| 02:23.19 | brlcad | always wierd to boot into 10.2 .. so hard to "go back" |
| 02:23.25 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 02:23.27 | brlcad | everything's slower |
| 02:23.49 | brlcad | and has my config, settings, background, etc from like 4 years ago |
| 02:24.03 | argiopeweb | That's the truth. You can't compile for 10.2 from XCode? |
| 02:24.22 | brlcad | if it worked like it is supposed to |
| 02:24.44 | argiopeweb | No wonder it never worked for me. I hate those bugs. |
| 02:25.14 | brlcad | doesn't work for certain library files in 10.3 that you can link against on the command line (that bz links against) that you don't when going through xcode fully |
| 02:25.32 | brlcad | alas we're not going down that road again, pita to keep up to date |
| 02:25.58 | brlcad | arrrgh |
| 02:26.03 | brlcad | and of course 10.2 isn't building |
| 02:26.08 | argiopeweb | I guess I'll have to break down and buy a new laptop one of these days. |
| 02:26.11 | a-delusion | no operation of 2.0.6 mac client (powerpc) under rosetta translation. It gets all the way to global login approved, then crashes. No surprise. It will operate with observer mode, until the observed player fires a shot. |
| 02:26.15 | argiopeweb | 10.2 never built for me... |
| 02:26.48 | brlcad | a-delusion: really? drat |
| 02:27.16 | brlcad | that implies something endian-related in our protocol on a tcp update |
| 02:27.18 | a-delusion | really |
| 02:27.32 | brlcad | which would probably be a bug |
| 02:27.34 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, yeah it's never worked, somone had made a binary once |
| 02:27.38 | JeffM2501 | a uni |
| 02:28.21 | a-delusion | couldnt run 2.0.4 under rosetta, until a magic genie named daemon showed up and posted an intel build, (not a universal build) |
| 02:28.23 | brlcad | hmm.. i never looked to see if bz unpacks based on a macro |
| 02:28.30 | brlcad | have to test endianness at runtime |
| 02:28.54 | brlcad | that's a bz problem, not a rosetta problem |
| 02:29.10 | eXtreme | is --enable-shared the same as --enable-plugins ? |
| 02:29.21 | brlcad | try to have that fixed for the next release |
| 02:29.24 | JeffM2501 | cus the uni one has both so one compiled each way |
| 02:29.27 | JeffM2501 | right? |
| 02:29.40 | brlcad | something like that |
| 02:30.08 | blast007 | eXtreme: it's --enable-shared for plugins in 2.0.x, but I believe it's --enable-plugins in 2.1.x |
| 02:30.17 | brlcad | either one compiled each way, or you change the code to not be hard-wired for a particular endian at compile-time (since the run-time endian varies) |
| 02:30.33 | eXtreme | blast007: thanks :) |
| 02:32.55 | a-delusion | rosetta gets a bit farther along after the third or fourth try. it seems to get a little bit better at running the app after the first try, almost like it has a learning curve |
| 02:33.16 | a-delusion | but just a little better |
| 02:33.58 | brlcad | i think that's just in your head |
| 02:36.04 | CBG | a-delusion: just 'cause you keep dieing, doesn't mean it's not working. :P |
| 02:36.13 | a-delusion | the first time i opened the app, it crashed after .1 second.. the second time, at the moment of global login approved... tried observer mode, that lasted a tiny bit longer each time, the third time in observer, the observed player got five shots off |
| 02:36.40 | argiopeweb | You never know, it could have some AI learning code in there. |
| 02:36.40 | a-delusion | it lasted a tiny bit longer every time |
| 02:38.44 | brlcad | actually you do know, rosetta is fairly well documented |
| 02:39.40 | brlcad | all you're testing is how long does it take an app to crash after memory corruption |
| 02:39.46 | brlcad | that's a variable amount of time |
| 02:40.34 | brlcad | you could possibly get away with many minutes even -- doesn't mean it's working right that whole time, just that it "hasn't crashed" yet |
| 02:40.38 | argiopeweb | I don't happen to have those docs handy though. |
| 02:40.49 | brlcad | they're on apple's site |
| 02:40.54 | brlcad | long overview |
| 02:41.13 | a-delusion | that fits with my experience trying to use 2.0.4 brlcad |
| 02:41.15 | brlcad | even more through the adc conf notes |
| 02:41.45 | a-delusion | once or twice it went five minutes before a crash |
| 02:41.54 | brlcad | well, there's no way i'm going to get this build going on 10.2 tonight, so I'm cashing out |
| 02:42.05 | a-delusion | sounds like a plan |
| 02:43.58 | argiopeweb | Have a good night. |
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| 03:12.22 | a_temp_dist | FYI the OSX build for 2.0.6 works fine for me |
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| 10:34.13 | _Manu_ | bz92, can you read what ibot says? |
| 10:34.39 | _Manu_ | you starts spamming |
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| 10:37.37 | bz29 | exit |
| 10:38.10 | bz29 | anyone know why a server doesn't show in the list? |
| 10:38.40 | _Manu_ | probably because it isn't made public |
| 11:25.23 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03jujibo 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/AUTHORS: Typo bug (Thanks TS) |
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| 12:26.56 | pianoboy3333 | Bzflag uses ncurses? |
| 12:27.24 | pianoboy3333 | I thought it used opengl? |
| 12:27.58 | Mr_Molez | ncurses is for bzadmin i believe |
| 12:28.36 | Mr_Molez | bzadmin is optional |
| 12:28.45 | Mr_Molez | you can build just the client if you wish |
| 12:29.43 | pianoboy3333 | oh, no, I'm compiling 2.0.6 and it said it was using ncurses, so I was curious |
| 12:30.05 | Mr_Molez | ok :) |
| 12:30.49 | _Manu_ | compiling bzflag with defaults: you are compiling bzfs, bzflag and bzadmin |
| 12:31.25 | pianoboy3333 | I know |
| 12:31.53 | pianoboy3333 | Oy... it's still compiling... |
| 12:31.58 | _Manu_ | and bzadmin can use ncurses |
| 12:33.35 | _Manu_ | you also can do: --with- curses then curses is used instead of ncurses |
| 12:33.41 | _Manu_ | --with-curses |
| 12:34.10 | pianoboy3333 | but isn't ncurses better than curses since ncurses is new curses? |
| 12:34.55 | _Manu_ | you can use curses, ncurses and xcurses |
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| 12:35.07 | pianoboy3333 | wtf is xcurses? |
| 12:35.10 | _Manu_ | it's your choice |
| 12:35.45 | _Manu_ | http://www.unix.org/version3/xcurses_contents.html |
| 12:38.38 | pianoboy3333 | ncurses is fun to program with though... |
| 12:39.27 | _Manu_ | ncurses ia a freee software emulation of curses |
| 12:39.32 | _Manu_ | s/ia/is |
| 12:40.12 | pianoboy3333 | the regular curses costs money? |
| 12:41.07 | _Manu_ | dunno |
| 12:41.40 | _Manu_ | I use ncurses :) |
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| 14:33.58 | _Manu_ | hi menotume :) |
| 14:34.15 | menotume | hellos :) |
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| 15:02.24 | PuMpErNiCkLe | hmmm... sounds seem weird with the latest cvs o_O |
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| 15:12.16 | PuMpErNiCkLe | bzDeleteLists(), no context |
| 15:12.38 | PuMpErNiCkLe | oops |
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| 15:24.59 | cosmos | ok so now 2.0.6 is out when are we gonna release 2.1?? cmon..when...now..PLZ!!! :) |
| 15:27.27 | PuMpErNiCkLe | 2.0.6 is out? :o |
| 15:27.31 | PuMpErNiCkLe | dammit |
| 15:27.40 | Mr_Molez | its not like 2.1 isn't available to you |
| 15:27.44 | a-delusion | my guess is at least six months, but your guess is as good as mine. |
| 15:28.13 | PuMpErNiCkLe | just when I fix my cvs issues :p |
| 15:28.16 | cosmos | but your suppoed to beg and beg for a new release just like on the forums :) |
| 15:29.25 | a-delusion | should start a pool, I'll take nov. 31 |
| 15:29.45 | PuMpErNiCkLe | nov 5 |
| 15:30.24 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Some guy on the dev team will go on a "v for vendetta" trip |
| 15:30.35 | a-delusion | added to calendar |
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| 15:38.48 | Teppic | Do you need sdl to build a game client? |
| 15:39.02 | cosmos | i should put cheat clients up on my website, only they wipe your computer when you run them of course |
| 15:39.18 | cosmos | here ya go kiddies, enjoy the cheats |
| 15:39.35 | PuMpErNiCkLe | hehe |
| 15:39.36 | Teppic | cosmos make sure so include md5s, don't want any corrupted chaet clients. |
| 15:39.57 | PuMpErNiCkLe | bzflag_cheat_patch.sh |
| 15:40.06 | PuMpErNiCkLe | 'rm -rf /' |
| 15:40.44 | cosmos | actually you could just add stuff so the client shouts to the chat channel embarrasing little messages |
| 15:40.54 | Teppic | Should have it do something more subtle, like deleate all the init scripts. |
| 15:40.57 | PuMpErNiCkLe | that might get annoying |
| 15:40.58 | cosmos | and /reports itself to the server |
| 15:41.21 | PuMpErNiCkLe | 'kernel panic: init not found' = subtle? :o |
| 15:41.22 | cosmos | Hi, I am using a cheat client and i like to wear womens underwear on my head! |
| 15:41.44 | Teppic | Well, the reboot maybe days after the install. |
| 15:41.50 | PuMpErNiCkLe | true |
| 15:44.53 | PuMpErNiCkLe | this is really weird |
| 15:45.21 | PuMpErNiCkLe | It's playing all the sounds at twice the rate it normally should. |
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| 15:55.36 | JeffM2501 | well so far the only problems I've seen reported are a mac 10.3 person crashing |
| 15:58.23 | PuMpErNiCkLe | you'll get more :D |
| 16:02.53 | JeffM2501 | Im sure |
| 16:03.05 | JeffM2501 | but that does mean some people ran it and it didn't die right off the bat |
| 16:03.10 | JeffM2501 | so that's good |
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| 16:07.58 | Teppic | PuMpErNiCkLe : Alsa with dmix? |
| 16:10.05 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Teppic: yeah |
| 16:10.47 | Teppic | Try and run it through hw(0.0) insted and see if its a dmix problem. |
| 16:11.07 | PuMpErNiCkLe | How do I do that? |
| 16:11.45 | Teppic | Hang on, looking for syntax...... |
| 16:12.14 | PuMpErNiCkLe | k |
| 16:18.12 | Teppic | right, in the options set the driver to alsa and the device to hw:0,0 |
| 16:18.29 | Teppic | trun off anything using the soundcard and re-run bzflagf, check the sounds.... |
| 16:19.48 | Teppic | Jeff, you dont *need* sdl to build a client do you? |
| 16:20.53 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:21.03 | JeffM2501 | it should default to the "old" stuff if you don't have it |
| 16:21.05 | JeffM2501 | on linux |
| 16:21.08 | JeffM2501 | dono about mac |
| 16:21.18 | Teppic | Thx |
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| 16:21.55 | JeffM2501 | on windows we don't even use SDL |
| 16:22.30 | Teppic | Someone 'tidied up' my ebuild, and doesn't build the client if you have -sdl use flag, grrr. |
| 16:22.34 | ToughShooter | Has anyone else noticed less FPS in 2.0.6 compared to what was in anon CVS, when it worked? |
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| 16:23.55 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Teppic: it's twice as bad, that way o_O |
| 16:24.06 | PuMpErNiCkLe | well, maybe not exactly twice as bad... |
| 16:24.14 | Teppic | ToughShooter: both the same for me, my cvs versions don't get make installed so I just checked. |
| 16:24.23 | PuMpErNiCkLe | But it's definitely distorting them even more. |
| 16:24.45 | Teppic | PuMpErNiCkLe you have esd? |
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| 16:25.28 | PuMpErNiCkLe | yup |
| 16:26.51 | Teppic | If i delete all the driver info it uses that, and sounds much better here, but that may be an sdl thing. |
| 16:27.53 | PuMpErNiCkLe | k, I'll try esd |
| 16:31.06 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Setting the driver as "esd" gives the error "no available audio device" - should I be doing something differently? |
| 16:32.30 | Teppic | Just leav the driver sections blank |
| 16:38.33 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Selecting 'esd' as default in gstreamer-properties doesn't change anything, though - bzflag still says it's using alsa. |
| 16:38.56 | Teppic | hmm, I'm stumped, sorry. |
| 16:39.13 | PuMpErNiCkLe | fair enough |
| 16:39.17 | Teppic | I'll look into sdl settings |
| 16:40.36 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I've filed a bug report. |
| 16:45.31 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ^_^ |
| 16:49.02 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ideas.txt: add a file for notes and ideas on future versions, not as firm as the todo, just shared musings. Not part of the dist. |
| 17:20.14 | eXtreme | bug with bzfs - if you poll ban someone the banner is the person that has been banned when you look at /banlist |
| 17:20.45 | JeffM2501 | who should the banner be? |
| 17:20.49 | JeffM2501 | everyone? |
| 17:20.53 | eXtreme | shouldn't it be the person who started the ban? |
| 17:21.06 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it's set to do that |
| 17:21.12 | JeffM2501 | maybe it shoudl jsut be "poll" |
| 17:21.17 | eXtreme | yeah |
| 17:21.36 | eXtreme | just seems wrong to have the person who has been banned as the banner |
| 17:21.43 | JeffM2501 | I would think it's allways done that, and it's not new |
| 17:21.55 | eXtreme | maybe |
| 17:21.56 | JeffM2501 | well it's the easyest way to mark that ban as being from a poll ;) |
| 17:22.00 | ToughShooter | eXtreme: First banned player at guleague or what? ;) |
| 17:22.17 | eXtreme | ToughShooter: no - hepcat |
| 17:22.25 | _Manu_ | I think it's a feature not a bug |
| 17:22.27 | ToughShooter | ah |
| 17:22.32 | _Manu_ | so I can know who was banned |
| 17:22.53 | eXtreme | oh.. then why not like other bans? (callsign) reason |
| 17:23.58 | _Manu_ | this can be changed but is not actually |
| 17:24.05 | JeffM2501 | it's a minor thing |
| 17:24.11 | JeffM2501 | I'm changing how it does it for 2.1 |
| 17:24.16 | JeffM2501 | it'll say poll ban in the reason |
| 17:24.27 | eXtreme | ok :) |
| 17:24.48 | eXtreme | I know it's not very important, just thought I'd point it out |
| 17:24.57 | _Manu_ | for set the banned name the ban must be done as a /ban player command |
| 17:25.24 | _Manu_ | if it's done as ip then it doesn't show the name |
| 17:25.41 | _Manu_ | this can be changed too |
| 17:25.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah, I'm having it put the name in the reason |
| 17:26.07 | _Manu_ | line (name) banned in a pool |
| 17:26.12 | _Manu_ | s/line/like |
| 17:26.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:26.19 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 17:26.22 | JeffM2501 | and the banner will be server |
| 17:26.26 | JeffM2501 | so they are easy to find |
| 17:27.16 | _Manu_ | but there are other important things to change.. like the software lag when a player takes many screenshots... (actually used like a cheat) |
| 17:27.30 | _Manu_ | probably this can be fixed using a low priority thread |
| 17:27.37 | _Manu_ | (only in the supported platforms) |
| 17:28.03 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, did you knew about the F5 cheat? |
| 17:28.10 | JeffM2501 | some work has been done on that in 2.0.6 |
| 17:28.12 | JeffM2501 | _Manu_, yes |
| 17:28.30 | JeffM2501 | in 2.0.6 you should not be able to do that anymore |
| 17:28.40 | JeffM2501 | brlcad and tupone were working on it |
| 17:28.44 | JeffM2501 | and made some changes |
| 17:28.48 | JeffM2501 | more will happen in 2.1 |
| 17:28.54 | _Manu_ | yes, I have been talking tupone about it too |
| 17:30.05 | JeffM2501 | I belive what will happen in 2.1 is you'll basicly do a mini pause, and not do any updates or interpolation when you screenshot |
| 17:30.12 | JeffM2501 | so you stop |
| 17:30.16 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, just testing 2.0.6.. and you can cheat with F5 :/ |
| 17:30.18 | JeffM2501 | instead of add lag |
| 17:30.21 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:30.25 | JeffM2501 | then they wern't able to fix it fully |
| 17:30.30 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 17:30.30 | JeffM2501 | the current protocoll has it's limits |
| 17:30.35 | _Manu_ | I know |
| 17:30.47 | _Manu_ | well a thread can fix this I guess |
| 17:30.54 | JeffM2501 | as you said, only on some systems |
| 17:30.58 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 17:31.03 | Mr_Molez | cant you just make a time limit on F5 ? |
| 17:31.05 | JeffM2501 | a better way is to make the game and protocoll know what is happening |
| 17:31.14 | JeffM2501 | and not have it do a bad simluation on it |
| 17:31.23 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: Changing windowing mode also enables tanks to drive through buildings etc |
| 17:31.26 | _Manu_ | Mr_Molez, still with a delay slow computers can cheat |
| 17:31.27 | JeffM2501 | there are many ways for client lag to ahppen |
| 17:31.35 | JeffM2501 | the proto and server should be able to comp for any of them |
| 17:31.43 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, it was fixed time ago iirc |
| 17:31.46 | JeffM2501 | the proiblem is in the simulation |
| 17:31.49 | _Manu_ | but probably the code is gone |
| 17:31.49 | JeffM2501 | and client trust |
| 17:31.51 | JeffM2501 | not a thread |
| 17:31.59 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: No, I can reproduce it on my box |
| 17:32.12 | _Manu_ | I remember Tupone fixed it time ago |
| 17:32.30 | _Manu_ | probably the code has been removed after some feature were added |
| 17:32.33 | ToughShooter | How can it be fixed when I can still reproduce? |
| 17:33.00 | _Manu_ | because the code is no more there |
| 17:33.07 | JeffM2501 | there are many ways to fake lag |
| 17:33.10 | JeffM2501 | like I said |
| 17:33.19 | _Manu_ | yes, like encoding video.. heh |
| 17:33.19 | JeffM2501 | the current protocoll and simulation code does not compinsate for that |
| 17:33.22 | JeffM2501 | we must change it |
| 17:33.26 | JeffM2501 | and we will in 2.1 |
| 17:33.35 | JeffM2501 | it can't just "be fixed" and stay compatable |
| 17:33.36 | _Manu_ | I agree |
| 17:33.50 | _Manu_ | because in 2.1 the protocol has changed |
| 17:33.52 | JeffM2501 | so plkease stop telling people in channel how to cheat ;) |
| 17:34.08 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 17:34.16 | _Manu_ | well this can enforce us to change it ;) |
| 17:34.36 | ToughShooter | What about things like wearing a tiny? Plans for detecting this? |
| 17:34.52 | _Manu_ | it's only can be detected in the server |
| 17:35.12 | _Manu_ | and iirc there are plans for it |
| 17:35.16 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, yeah server will verify shot hits |
| 17:35.36 | Mr_Molez | 2.1 will do that ? |
| 17:35.41 | JeffM2501 | that is the idea |
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| 17:35.50 | Mr_Molez | will it compensate for lag ? |
| 17:35.52 | _Manu_ | Mr_Molez, then no more God mode ;) |
| 17:36.02 | Mr_Molez | _Manu_: its not god mode i am worried about :) |
| 17:36.27 | _Manu_ | heh you switched to subtle.. :) |
| 17:36.29 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, that is the idea |
| 17:36.43 | ToughShooter | It's not good to have people in the league under suspicion, I want to trust them :/ |
| 17:36.45 | JeffM2501 | you can never get rid of all subtle cheats |
| 17:36.59 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, you can thank molez for that, he wanted to destroy the comunity |
| 17:37.08 | _Manu_ | no while you trust the client |
| 17:37.17 | JeffM2501 | and you can never trust a client |
| 17:37.22 | Mr_Molez | i didn't actually do it ! |
| 17:37.23 | brlcad | i'm not sure i'd call the current f5'ing "cheating", it's just bad behavior |
| 17:37.24 | JeffM2501 | not in our game |
| 17:37.46 | JeffM2501 | it can be used to exploit bad logic, just like a number of other things can be |
| 17:37.46 | _Manu_ | brlcad, a bad behavior is a cheat when you use it in that way |
| 17:39.08 | brlcad | i'd still say it's just bad behavior |
| 17:39.13 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: for a poll ban put the person who started the poll in the banner, put the bannie in the reason with a marker saying it was a poll ban |
| 17:39.17 | brlcad | and all the quibbling is about just how bad it is |
| 17:39.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah there are bigger cheats to worry about ;) |
| 17:39.54 | brlcad | it still lets the client perform impossible moves |
| 17:40.04 | brlcad | miniteleportation |
| 17:40.13 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 17:40.29 | _Manu_ | but don't give tips, some cheaters can heard you :-p |
| 17:40.47 | JeffM2501 | with a server side simulation it becomes much easyer to see those lag based interp errors |
| 17:40.51 | JeffM2501 | and just have the server fix them |
| 17:41.14 | brlcad | the server can detect a kill in that situation easily enough |
| 17:41.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:41.23 | brlcad | but it will take a fair bit of work to otherwise detect it |
| 17:41.31 | JeffM2501 | "umm I'm here on the other side of the wall".. "no your not, you are HERE" |
| 17:41.33 | brlcad | a little path-finding and estimation |
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| 18:40.13 | brlcad | JeffM2501: you know, most of todo are just shared musings too :) |
| 18:40.22 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 18:40.33 | JeffM2501 | I think we should make the todo be things we really want to do |
| 18:41.04 | JeffM2501 | like get mulled over as ideas, then pushed into the do when it's all worked out |
| 18:41.15 | JeffM2501 | so the todo realy does become a task list for people that want to help |
| 18:41.40 | brlcad | how crm-ish |
| 18:41.48 | JeffM2501 | crm? |
| 18:42.37 | brlcad | customer relationship management |
| 18:42.55 | JeffM2501 | I just thought it made sense :) |
| 18:43.19 | JeffM2501 | probably just my work methods creeping in |
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| 18:43.40 | brlcad | all projects evolve towards that direction imo |
| 18:43.45 | brlcad | er, ime |
| 18:43.59 | JeffM2501 | well then it must have something going for it |
| 18:44.07 | JeffM2501 | I didn't put my realy wacky ideas there |
| 18:44.07 | Chestal | hmm, I just got lots of close spawns on a 2.0.6 server |
| 18:44.19 | JeffM2501 | like flag changes, and sound system changes |
| 18:44.58 | Chestal | I remember some discussion about spawns. Was there a significant change? |
| 18:45.13 | brlcad | Chestal: not for 2.0.6 |
| 18:45.26 | brlcad | the code was refactored so that it's really simple now to have different spawn policies |
| 18:45.39 | brlcad | but the default policy is unchanged |
| 18:45.42 | Chestal | I checked the _spawn vars, they seemed to be set at default |
| 18:46.03 | brlcad | and there's no means to change the policy yet other than uncommenting a line and recompiling |
| 18:46.12 | Chestal | but durng 30 minutes of play, there were at least 5-10 spawns where enemy tanks spawned _very_ close to each other |
| 18:46.29 | brlcad | it's been like that for a long time |
| 18:46.37 | Chestal | uhm? |
| 18:46.43 | Chestal | not on the servers I have been playing on |
| 18:46.45 | JeffM2501 | they have angered the god of RAND |
| 18:46.50 | brlcad | that was what drove me to implement it, kept seeing tanks spawn in packets in relatively close locations |
| 18:47.10 | brlcad | near one of the four corners |
| 18:47.24 | brlcad | of the smaller inset spawn rect |
| 18:47.45 | Chestal | brad2901: was on port 59999 server |
| 18:47.48 | brlcad | you can plot the probabilities on simple maps like ducati-style |
| 18:48.26 | Chestal | on the random CTF ducati maps this never happened on the servers I have been playing on. I mean enemy tanks spawning so close |
| 18:48.31 | brad2901 | ? |
| 18:48.58 | Chestal | brad2901: we just played on 59999, pillbox, and got enemy tanks spawning on top of each other |
| 18:49.08 | brad2901 | oh, I see.. :S |
| 18:49.16 | brlcad | brad2901: i think he means me? |
| 18:49.20 | Chestal | brad2901: this is plain 2.0.6 I guess, without special config? |
| 18:49.30 | Chestal | brlcad: it was on brad's server |
| 18:49.33 | brad2901 | correct, downloaded the tar.gz yesterday |
| 18:49.34 | brlcad | ahh |
| 18:49.43 | brad2901 | nothing changed |
| 18:49.58 | Chestal | I'll do some testing with lots of bots |
| 18:50.20 | brlcad | yeah, both on head and on branch, the spawn code is completely unchanged from what it was behavior-wise |
| 18:50.42 | brlcad | it was merely put into a class so that different classes could override later |
| 18:51.11 | Chestal | well, the spawn behavior I just saw is sure different from older code (code that was running on dub an dother servers) |
| 18:52.02 | Chestal | hmm, server kicks me and my bots |
| 18:52.46 | Chestal | brad2901: is it configured to not allow bots? |
| 18:53.06 | brad2901 | should be - I'll change that for a bit though |
| 18:53.09 | brad2901 | port 59999? |
| 18:53.14 | Chestal | yes |
| 18:53.27 | brad2901 | k |
| 18:53.29 | Chestal | guess I can test with a local server, too, once I can reproduce it on yours |
| 18:53.47 | brad2901 | should be ok for bots now |
| 18:54.06 | brlcad | it's worse the busier the server gets |
| 18:54.19 | Chestal | brlcad: it was only 2vs2 (on a 600x600 map, though) |
| 18:54.35 | brlcad | instant shots maybe? |
| 18:54.42 | Chestal | bots work |
| 18:55.00 | Chestal | my impression was that the spawn pos was purely random without taking other tanks into account at all |
| 18:55.52 | brlcad | current algorithm is that it ends up trying to find a drop point not in line of sight of other tanks, not near other tanks, preferring as far as possible within a given delta time |
| 18:56.31 | brlcad | it also avoids map edges, so it's placing you within a box that is something like 500x500 |
| 18:57.28 | brlcad | not purely random.. i implemented purely random as the first new policy -- it was hilarious, you'd spawn in places that you rarely ever or never spawned before |
| 18:57.53 | brlcad | like right on the opposing team's base, right in front of an enemy, right behind and enemy, right in the corner of a map, etc |
| 18:58.56 | Chestal | brad2901: you cna turn the bots off again. I have to test in a different way |
| 18:59.09 | brad2901 | ok |
| 18:59.58 | Chestal | brlcad: the suspcious spawns I saw was about 2 tank lengths away from enemy tank. I have never seen that on any servers for many months |
| 19:00.08 | Chestal | but I'll do some local testing |
| 19:02.01 | brlcad | Chestal, currently if the algorithm fails to find a "safe" spawn point (i.e. not inside a building and not in line of fire or line of sight) within something like 50ms, it just says a prayer and drops them in |
| 19:02.14 | DTRemenak | chestal: if several people have laser on a single-layer map, spawns can get kinda strange, since it blacks out a cone (20 degrees iirc) around the laser's line of sight |
| 19:02.14 | brlcad | that may have happened -- if it did, there is a log message for it |
| 19:02.37 | DTRemenak | can quickly end up with only tiny areas of the map spawnable on laser-heavy servers |
| 19:03.02 | DTRemenak | but it'll keep you from getting blasted right on spawn (usually) |
| 19:03.17 | brlcad | either that or keep the cpu hot :) |
| 19:06.32 | Chestal | brad2901: coudl you check the logs for the failed spawn messages? |
| 19:06.40 | Chestal | maybe it's due to the smaller map |
| 19:06.51 | brad2901 | sure |
| 19:07.56 | brlcad | DEBUG1("Warning: SpawnPolicy ran out of time, just dropping the sucker in\n"); |
| 19:09.27 | brad2901 | nothing like that in the logs |
| 19:09.38 | brlcad | the distance preference is based on BZDBCache::worldSize / BZDB.eval("_spawnSafeSRMod") |
| 19:09.43 | brad2901 | can't see anything on spawns |
| 19:09.51 | brlcad | what's your _spawnSafeSRMod? |
| 19:10.28 | brlcad | Chestal: src/bzfs/SpawnPolicy.cxx if you want to see the code, getPosition() |
| 19:10.50 | brad2901 | brlcad: 3 |
| 19:11.15 | Chestal | a test with random -cr map seems to be ok |
| 19:11.48 | brlcad | brad2901: do you have spawn zones? |
| 19:11.53 | brlcad | in your map |
| 19:12.14 | brad2901 | not that I know of - I got the map from bzflag.bz 1115 |
| 19:12.41 | brad2901 | just checked, no zones |
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| 19:21.55 | Chestal | hmm, that code is not really self-explaining there :-) |
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| 20:06.24 | JeffM2501 | mmm thai food :) |
| 20:06.41 | Mr_Molez | ~bzflist |
| 20:06.45 | Mr_Molez | need a backup ! :) |
| 20:06.53 | JeffM2501 | we know |
| 20:07.03 | JeffM2501 | willing to do the work to move it? |
| 20:07.05 | Mr_Molez | seems to be getting slower and slower each day |
| 20:07.15 | Mr_Molez | duno, how hard is it ? |
| 20:07.39 | Mr_Molez | you wont find one |
| 20:07.41 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, I don't know, that's what we need somone to figur out |
| 20:08.29 | Mr_Molez | aint it just a case of copying the /db directory on the server over to the new server then changing domain names ? |
| 20:08.48 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:08.49 | Mr_Molez | domain names / redirect IP |
| 20:08.53 | JeffM2501 | it's tied to the froums |
| 20:08.57 | JeffM2501 | for global login |
| 20:08.58 | Mr_Molez | uh |
| 20:09.02 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 20:09.36 | JeffM2501 | /db isn't even a real directory on the server ;) |
| 20:09.45 | Mr_Molez | it was just an example :) |
| 20:10.08 | Mr_Molez | well I aint got a clue |
| 20:10.19 | JeffM2501 | something has a lot of connecitons open to apache |
| 20:10.20 | Mr_Molez | too hard to move the forum over aswell huh ? |
| 20:10.31 | JeffM2501 | no, it just has to be done |
| 20:11.46 | JeffM2501 | I get a list in a browser |
| 20:13.43 | Mr_Molez | brb |
| 20:18.40 | Mr_Molez | so cant you just copy everything over test it and fix any problems from that point |
| 20:18.53 | JeffM2501 | yes, somone just has to do it |
| 20:18.56 | JeffM2501 | and that takes time |
| 20:18.59 | JeffM2501 | and time is money |
| 20:19.29 | Mr_Molez | and you dont trust me to do it right ? |
| 20:19.33 | JeffM2501 | hell no |
| 20:19.37 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
| 20:19.44 | JeffM2501 | like we'd give you admin access on ether machine |
| 20:20.08 | JeffM2501 | the other part of it is fully understanding the problem, to make sure the move dosn't just move the problem to a new server |
| 20:20.24 | JeffM2501 | there is no point in moving if the moved one is going to be just as slow |
| 20:21.01 | Mr_Molez | Oh I thought it was because its on a slow server |
| 20:21.18 | JeffM2501 | server resources seem to be used a lot |
| 20:21.23 | JeffM2501 | more then "should" be |
| 20:21.31 | JeffM2501 | so we have to make sure the new server can handle it |
| 20:21.45 | JeffM2501 | the server is not like a pII or anything |
| 20:21.49 | JeffM2501 | on a DSL |
| 20:21.55 | ToughShooter | I have some plan for it, though |
| 20:21.55 | JeffM2501 | it's a real server on a datacenter |
| 20:22.07 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:22.36 | JeffM2501 | netstat on the machine showed hundred of apache connections |
| 20:22.38 | ToughShooter | Not sure whether more used space on the server with the phpbb is acceptable |
| 20:22.39 | JeffM2501 | hundreds |
| 20:22.47 | JeffM2501 | space is not a big issue |
| 20:22.56 | JeffM2501 | we use a fraction of what we have available now |
| 20:23.01 | JeffM2501 | unless your talking 100's of megs more |
| 20:23.33 | ToughShooter | A minimal db including callsigns, teams and connections from callsigns to teams could be extracted out of the phpbb |
| 20:23.47 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:23.55 | JeffM2501 | then phpbb made to use that? |
| 20:23.58 | ToughShooter | then change login to always auto-update the minimal db |
| 20:24.07 | A_Meteorite | maybe moving to lighttpd would help, apache is a hog |
| 20:24.22 | blast007 | A_Meteorite: yeah, might be worth checking |
| 20:24.34 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, it is, but we arn't in 1000's of connections, it "should" not be that bad |
| 20:24.46 | ToughShooter | Copy the small db over to many mirrors and set them up to sync their data automatically with the phpbb server |
| 20:24.48 | blast007 | there's even some tweaks we could do to Apache to possibly reduce the current issue |
| 20:24.49 | A_Meteorite | sounds like anything could help, though ;) |
| 20:25.08 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, that's just banging on the problem with a hammer, instead of understanding it |
| 20:25.10 | blast007 | ToughShooter: that sounds like a good idea |
| 20:25.15 | ToughShooter | on the phpbb server the data should then be migrated into the phpbb database |
| 20:25.23 | blast007 | instead of mirroring the whole phpBB database |
| 20:25.31 | A_Meteorite | Mirrors? That sounds good. |
| 20:25.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:25.52 | JeffM2501 | spliting it out is good |
| 20:25.55 | ToughShooter | Then code changes in bzfs and bzflag needed to accept logins with those mirrors |
| 20:25.56 | A_Meteorite | is this the listserver you're talking about? |
| 20:26.02 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:26.12 | A_Meteorite | good, because it seems extra slow lately |
| 20:26.21 | JeffM2501 | that's why the topic came up |
| 20:26.22 | ToughShooter | My main concern is what happens when one of the mirrors goes offline |
| 20:26.22 | A_Meteorite | 5secs are so just to receive the whole list |
| 20:26.34 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, we've talked about round robbin DNS |
| 20:26.38 | A_Meteorite | you could ping a mirror to see it it's online |
| 20:26.40 | *** join/#bzflag cosmos_ (n=cosmos@valentino.hepcat.org) |
| 20:26.43 | JeffM2501 | but it would need some way to resync stuff |
| 20:26.52 | ToughShooter | exactly |
| 20:26.59 | JeffM2501 | this is why I allways thought of IRC for a listserer/chat system :) |
| 20:26.59 | A_Meteorite | syncing could be an issue... |
| 20:27.02 | JeffM2501 | it handles that just fine |
| 20:27.13 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 20:27.13 | ToughShooter | A check from where the sync requests come could come in handy |
| 20:27.14 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mysql have ways to span databases and sync them? |
| 20:27.15 | blast007 | hopefully a list wouldn't go down between getting the token in the client, and checking the token at the server |
| 20:27.19 | blast007 | but it could happen |
| 20:27.31 | cosmos_ | hit my first snag, compiling server 2.0.6 on freebsd 4.x |
| 20:27.33 | cosmos_ | TextChunkManager.cxx: In method `class StringVector TextChunk::parse(int = -1)': |
| 20:27.49 | DTRemenak | blast007: then the login would just be rejected and you'd need to reconnect. no biggie. |
| 20:27.55 | blast007 | DTRemenak: right |
| 20:28.09 | ToughShooter | Still, that is theoretical as I don't have the changes made to the phpbb yet |
| 20:28.12 | A_Meteorite | could someone (like me) become a mirror? |
| 20:28.17 | A_Meteorite | if you did it, of course |
| 20:28.26 | blast007 | right now does the token still get checked after the client sends a MsgEnter? |
| 20:28.56 | A_Meteorite | brb |
| 20:28.57 | JeffM2501 | remember, for 2.1 we could even tranition to a totaly new list server system |
| 20:28.58 | ToughShooter | Well, the mirrors would need to be on machines where trust the owner and the setup is trusted |
| 20:29.05 | blast007 | right |
| 20:29.06 | DTRemenak | A_Meteorite: mirrors would have to be highly trusted, since they'd be recieving passwords in plaintext...so not just anybody, or we'd have the same problem as local auth, only worse. |
| 20:29.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah since they would have password sums |
| 20:29.12 | ToughShooter | jikes, bad grammar :( |
| 20:29.40 | cosmos_ | gnurdux it wont let me privmsg |
| 20:29.44 | ToughShooter | Someone would set up mirrors to catch the passwords |
| 20:29.44 | Mr_Molez | I think there should be two lists .. on for popular severs one for less popular. To help cut down the time to retrieve the list |
| 20:30.06 | blast007 | Mr_Molez: I don't think so |
| 20:30.08 | DTRemenak | which servers are "popular" changes all the time |
| 20:30.08 | JeffM2501 | cosmos register |
| 20:30.09 | ToughShooter | Like some have set up bzfs to catch the passwords in 2.0.x |
| 20:30.16 | blast007 | if the client had better filtering, we would not need two lists |
| 20:30.40 | blast007 | like sort by game style, player count, etc |
| 20:30.46 | Mr_Molez | nut the list would still need to be retrieved which still takes time before the client can organise it |
| 20:30.51 | Mr_Molez | *but |
| 20:30.53 | DTRemenak | the stuff I did for basic searching can be relatively easily extended |
| 20:30.54 | ToughShooter | The entire sorting in client should maybe redone |
| 20:31.00 | DTRemenak | the hard part is done |
| 20:31.04 | blast007 | yup |
| 20:31.05 | ToughShooter | I want to use my mouse in the list ;) |
| 20:31.09 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:31.31 | ToughShooter | Like a tab for gu league if one is in gu.league |
| 20:31.57 | JeffM2501 | that we've talked about as well |
| 20:32.04 | JeffM2501 | for that I have a plan :) |
| 20:32.25 | ToughShooter | :) |
| 20:32.50 | JeffM2501 | I think the slowdown is something on the list server or fourms that dosnt' close connections |
| 20:33.03 | JeffM2501 | when it gets slow, there are a ton of connections left in "time wait" |
| 20:33.04 | blast007 | we could reduce the timeout |
| 20:33.18 | blast007 | think it defaults to like 10 minutes |
| 20:33.21 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 20:33.28 | JeffM2501 | I don't know enough about configs to comment |
| 20:33.38 | JeffM2501 | or php to know what's going on |
| 20:33.52 | blast007 | there's things we can do |
| 20:34.19 | JeffM2501 | well ether tell me what to do, or get with somone else who has admin access and let em know :) |
| 20:34.20 | blast007 | mod_security, for example, could prevent common script attacks |
| 20:34.34 | blast007 | not sure if that's any issue at all |
| 20:34.52 | JeffM2501 | I would not know what to look for |
| 20:35.08 | blast007 | yeah, I'm not so hot with Apache stuff either |
| 20:35.43 | *** join/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (n=Blue@host78-215.pool870.interbusiness.it) |
| 20:35.47 | DTRemenak | woot, we're all clueless |
| 20:35.50 | ToughShooter | perhaps menotume knows something more |
| 20:35.51 | JeffM2501 | we need a dedicated web monkey |
| 20:36.20 | cosmos_ | your TIME WAIT can definately be reduced on whatever os the apache is running on |
| 20:36.22 | blast007 | I did a research project on Apache/PHP security, just dealing with the configuration and some modules |
| 20:36.28 | cosmos_ | 10 mins way too long for web services |
| 20:36.35 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:36.36 | JeffM2501 | where do I check it? |
| 20:36.41 | cosmos_ | what os |
| 20:36.45 | JeffM2501 | debian |
| 20:37.07 | cosmos_ | ugg linux. have to take off my solaris hat for a second |
| 20:37.22 | blast007 | ah, might be 5 minutes by default, but 30 seconds is probably enough :P |
| 20:37.31 | cosmos_ | yeah 60 is safe |
| 20:37.36 | JeffM2501 | sounds reasonable |
| 20:37.40 | cosmos_ | thats what i set our solaris apache boxen to |
| 20:37.45 | blast007 | apache config at /etc/apache/httpd.conf for me |
| 20:37.55 | cosmos_ | not familiar with debian os config tho |
| 20:38.06 | JeffM2501 | it's appche 2 |
| 20:38.32 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: well, you don't have to worry about me ;) |
| 20:38.48 | A_Meteorite | I know some Apache stuff... |
| 20:38.50 | JeffM2501 | I think I found the config, what do I look for |
| 20:38.58 | cosmos_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.03 | blast007 | look for Timeout |
| 20:39.16 | cosmos_ | that should be the linux os param for timewait |
| 20:39.35 | JeffM2501 | so not in the config? |
| 20:39.45 | blast007 | there's one in the config |
| 20:39.54 | Mr_Molez | /etc/apache2/apache2.conf ? |
| 20:39.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:40.07 | JeffM2501 | that's what I'm lookin thru now |
| 20:40.09 | blast007 | cosmos_: that command would affect more than apache, right? |
| 20:40.10 | cosmos_ | there is a timeout for apache and their is an os default which closes connections that are in the TIME_WAIT state |
| 20:40.28 | cosmos_ | blast, yes it would be a change in the os tcp stack |
| 20:40.42 | JeffM2501 | don't want to do that, the machine does other stuff |
| 20:40.46 | JeffM2501 | like serve bzflag |
| 20:40.55 | cosmos_ | i doubt it would affect it |
| 20:41.05 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (n=brad@unaffiliated/brad2901) |
| 20:41.12 | cosmos_ | bz is udp mostly right |
| 20:41.15 | blast007 | still, if apache can do it, and that's the problem, no need for system wide yet |
| 20:41.27 | cosmos_ | apache wont fix it completely |
| 20:41.31 | JeffM2501 | I'm trying to find it |
| 20:41.35 | JeffM2501 | I can't see timeout |
| 20:41.41 | JeffM2501 | but then I don't know how to search in vim |
| 20:41.51 | cosmos_ | if people kill connections, close windows etc it will leave that connection in the TIME_WAIT state |
| 20:41.56 | JeffM2501 | ahah |
| 20:41.59 | JeffM2501 | it's 200 |
| 20:42.02 | cosmos_ | apache timeout only deals with open active connections |
| 20:42.49 | cosmos_ | if your issue is tons and tons of TIME_WAIT eating resources, reducing the cleanup value will reduce those :) |
| 20:43.11 | JeffM2501 | ok so what do I do to do that? |
| 20:43.18 | cosmos_ | the command i put above |
| 20:43.18 | JeffM2501 | I set the apache timeout to 60 |
| 20:43.33 | cosmos_ | i wouldnt do that |
| 20:43.42 | cosmos_ | do you allow file uploads and stuff within apache/php |
| 20:43.44 | JeffM2501 | sysctl -w net.ipv4.vs.timeout_timewait=60 |
| 20:43.53 | JeffM2501 | jeffm@bzflag:/etc/apache2$ sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.vs.timeout_timewait=60 |
| 20:43.53 | JeffM2501 | error: 'net.ipv4.vs.timeout_timewait' is an unknown key |
| 20:43.59 | cosmos_ | setting apache timeout to 60 will likely close slower uploads/page loads |
| 20:44.20 | JeffM2501 | that's what I get |
| 20:44.34 | cosmos_ | like i said, debian is unknown to me. i searched for the debian syntax |
| 20:44.38 | cosmos_ | perhaps they changed it |
| 20:45.10 | cosmos_ | what version of debian |
| 20:45.15 | JeffM2501 | stable IIRC |
| 20:45.18 | JeffM2501 | "sarge" |
| 20:46.21 | cosmos_ | nevermind, that was redhat syntax |
| 20:47.38 | cosmos_ | do you have a /proc/sys/net/ipv4 directory |
| 20:47.59 | JeffM2501 | ipb4 and 6 |
| 20:48.06 | JeffM2501 | both |
| 20:48.15 | cosmos_ | ok, do an ls -l /proc/sys/net/ipv4/*timeout* |
| 20:48.19 | cosmos_ | what output if any |
| 20:48.49 | JeffM2501 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Apr 10 13:48 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_fin_timeout |
| 20:48.54 | cosmos_ | yeah thats it |
| 20:49.07 | cosmos_ | cat that file, ie cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_fin_timeout |
| 20:49.10 | cosmos_ | whats the value |
| 20:49.16 | JeffM2501 | 60 |
| 20:49.20 | JeffM2501 | :q |
| 20:49.23 | JeffM2501 | ww :) |
| 20:49.24 | cosmos_ | then you should be good |
| 20:49.34 | cosmos_ | anywhere between 30-60 |
| 20:49.34 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 20:49.42 | cosmos_ | how many TIME_WAIT do you see on this box |
| 20:50.03 | *** join/#bzflag bz24 (n=45a31094@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:50.06 | JeffM2501 | I was seeing over 100 |
| 20:50.09 | JeffM2501 | when it was realy slow |
| 20:50.16 | JeffM2501 | maybe 150-200 |
| 20:50.19 | JeffM2501 | or more |
| 20:50.24 | cosmos_ | thats not abnormal on a busy apache server |
| 20:50.32 | bz24 | hmm it says catch file missing |
| 20:50.35 | cosmos_ | thousands is where i start to worry |
| 20:50.42 | JeffM2501 | it was way more then the active connections |
| 20:50.47 | bz24 | someone can help me |
| 20:50.49 | JeffM2501 | usualy like 5-10 active out of that |
| 20:50.50 | cosmos_ | yeah that is also normal |
| 20:50.57 | cosmos_ | web requests are usually quick |
| 20:50.58 | JeffM2501 | bz24, perhaps if we knew what you were talking about |
| 20:51.07 | bz24 | o sry |
| 20:51.17 | cosmos_ | what else is running on the box |
| 20:51.28 | JeffM2501 | cosmos bzfs, fourms, my.bzflag.org |
| 20:51.43 | cosmos_ | so mysql and stuff on the backend too |
| 20:51.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:51.49 | JeffM2501 | php |
| 20:51.49 | bz24 | when i connect to game with bzflag, gets done dling but then it says catch file missing |
| 20:51.52 | JeffM2501 | not much else |
| 20:51.57 | JeffM2501 | bz24, are you on windows? |
| 20:52.04 | bz24 | ya |
| 20:52.13 | bz24 | works for linux fine |
| 20:52.20 | JeffM2501 | is your profile and "my documents folder" on a network volume? |
| 20:52.32 | bz24 | ys |
| 20:52.36 | bz24 | ya |
| 20:52.37 | JeffM2501 | bzflag dosn't like that |
| 20:52.49 | JeffM2501 | you want to use the -confdir option and give it a local dir to do it's stuff in |
| 20:52.52 | bz24 | how 2 fix? |
| 20:52.56 | bz24 | o |
| 20:53.03 | JeffM2501 | and please use real english ;) |
| 20:53.14 | bz24 | i am |
| 20:54.13 | JeffM2501 | just add -confdir /some/path/on/your/machine to your shortcut ( after the ".exe" part ) and you'll be good |
| 20:54.21 | JeffM2501 | then it will use a local dir for all it needs |
| 20:54.48 | bz24 | said invailid command, i'll try again |
| 20:54.51 | trepan | -configdir |
| 20:55.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah what he said :) |
| 20:55.25 | bz24 | tell me speack english -_- |
| 20:57.19 | JeffM2501 | well list server seems faster now |
| 20:57.23 | JeffM2501 | we''ll see how it goes |
| 20:57.37 | bz24 | cant u have it on another folder then documents? |
| 20:57.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:57.50 | JeffM2501 | that's what that command does |
| 20:57.52 | bz24 | good |
| 20:57.55 | JeffM2501 | tells it to use that folder |
| 20:58.00 | JeffM2501 | my docs is just our default |
| 20:58.05 | JeffM2501 | for most people that is a local dir |
| 20:59.01 | cosmos_ | http://bzbb.bzflag.org is now located at irc.freenode.net:#bzflag |
| 20:59.20 | JeffM2501 | well I'd not use freenode |
| 20:59.34 | cosmos_ | :) |
| 20:59.41 | bz24 | ha still wtf |
| 20:59.49 | bz24 | i have it c:\tmp |
| 20:59.56 | JeffM2501 | does that dir exist? |
| 21:00.00 | bz24 | ya |
| 21:00.06 | bz24 | have it for blender |
| 21:00.25 | JeffM2501 | does it give the cahce error? |
| 21:00.49 | bz24 | says catch file dissapeared |
| 21:00.58 | bz24 | cannot connect |
| 21:01.12 | JeffM2501 | did it make any docs or dirs in your tmp dir? |
| 21:01.31 | bz24 | omg now says command error |
| 21:01.57 | bz24 | unknown option -configdir |
| 21:02.06 | JeffM2501 | yet it worked once? |
| 21:02.07 | bz24 | o |
| 21:02.11 | bz24 | i c |
| 21:02.29 | bz24 | hnn |
| 21:03.53 | bz24 | omg |
| 21:04.07 | JeffM2501 | umm I have no idea what your saying |
| 21:04.10 | bz24 | still same thing with that command |
| 21:04.21 | JeffM2501 | what version are you using? |
| 21:04.27 | bz24 | says unknown option -configdir |
| 21:04.30 | JeffM2501 | what version are you using? |
| 21:04.36 | bz24 | 2.0.4 |
| 21:04.41 | JeffM2501 | oh yeah old stuff |
| 21:04.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah get 2.0.6 |
| 21:04.49 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.4 dosn't support it |
| 21:04.53 | bz24 | k |
| 21:05.15 | bz24 | is that beta? |
| 21:05.22 | ToughShooter | nope |
| 21:05.37 | JeffM2501 | all our beta versions end in odd numbers |
| 21:05.40 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.5 was beta |
| 21:05.46 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.6 is a release version |
| 21:06.13 | bz24 | i c |
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| 21:09.29 | bz24 | omg tnks it works |
| 21:10.10 | bz24 | it works |
| 21:10.17 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: So, mirror servers are still something you are thinking about? |
| 21:22.19 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 21:22.19 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 21:26.19 | *** join/#bzflag bz25 (n=dcf5b385@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:26.59 | bz25 | ~bzfquery www.manetheran.ath.cx:5154 |
| 21:28.13 | *** join/#bzflag deadman (n=vadgoq@220-245-253-141.free.tpgi.com.au) |
| 21:28.51 | deadman | ~bzfquery www.manetheran.ath.cx:5154 |
| 21:28.53 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (n=spldart@cpe-67-10-221-4.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 21:29.13 | deadman | help my server dont show in list |
| 21:33.40 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, they have been talked about for years |
| 21:33.46 | A_Meteorite | ahh |
| 21:33.52 | JeffM2501 | if somone came up with a system and could implmenet it, we'd be fine |
| 21:34.08 | brlcad | deadman: add -public and -publicaddr |
| 21:34.10 | JeffM2501 | we even have 2 systems that can run them for right now, bzflag.bz and secretplace |
| 21:36.39 | deadman | and ibot can find it |
| 21:37.02 | CBG | deadman: make sure you are using -public and -publicaddr in your conf/command |
| 21:37.49 | CBG | ah, sorry brlcad :) I skim read the last few lines... |
| 21:38.01 | JeffM2501 | GTMA poser ;) |
| 21:38.19 | deadman | thats just it those commands are there, the server just stopped showing up after about a day or so |
| 21:38.53 | JeffM2501 | if you run the server with a -d -d -d does it show any errors from the list server? |
| 21:39.03 | deadman | wait |
| 21:39.56 | brlcad | why do people say 'wait' on irc... (rhetorical) |
| 21:40.05 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:40.55 | deadman | ok ok picky :-) no errors |
| 21:41.12 | JeffM2501 | does it show the contact to the list server? |
| 21:41.14 | CBG | I also had to use -publiclist when running on my home computer as I'm behind a proxy. |
| 21:41.34 | JeffM2501 | you shoudl see it sending the request, and the responce it gets |
| 21:41.41 | deadman | how do i tell if it does? |
| 21:41.57 | menotume | hmm, should builddate.cxx in v2_branch be changed ? |
| 21:42.19 | JeffM2501 | yes it should |
| 21:42.21 | JeffM2501 | techincaly |
| 21:42.27 | JeffM2501 | 7 and dev again |
| 21:42.34 | menotume | right, i'll do it |
| 21:42.39 | menotume | need to commit anyway |
| 21:42.39 | JeffM2501 | tho that usualy waits till somone does a change for real |
| 21:42.41 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 21:42.45 | menotume | :) |
| 21:42.53 | JeffM2501 | why arn't you doing the commit to 2.1 ? |
| 21:43.00 | deadman | queuing ADD msg to listserver then nothing |
| 21:43.05 | menotume | "DEVE" ? |
| 21:43.08 | menotume | "DEVEL" ? |
| 21:43.15 | JeffM2501 | whatever it says |
| 21:43.23 | JeffM2501 | deadman, then it's not geting thru |
| 21:43.25 | menotume | it says satable :) |
| 21:43.26 | JeffM2501 | are you behind a proxy |
| 21:43.39 | brlcad | it's supposed to change as soon as cvs is tagged |
| 21:43.42 | JeffM2501 | menotume, the list of choices is in a comment above it |
| 21:43.58 | JeffM2501 | we have there been commits since your last tag move? |
| 21:43.59 | brlcad | i was waiting to make sure there wasn't "one more" thing that didn't get updated last night, so I didn't do it yet |
| 21:44.04 | deadman | im not running a proxy server, maybe my isp is u think? |
| 21:44.05 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 21:44.11 | JeffM2501 | deadman, it may |
| 21:44.12 | *** join/#bzflag PuMpErNiCkEl (n=PuMpErNi@CPE000d8802a749-CM0012c9a9a6dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 21:44.27 | menotume | ahhh, right-o :) |
| 21:44.28 | deadman | ill try -publiclist |
| 21:44.31 | JeffM2501 | deadman, use -publiclist http://my.bzflag.org:81/db/ |
| 21:44.41 | menotume | and, i'll make the change to 2.1 also, if it applies |
| 21:44.45 | brlcad | deadman: your isp may also have detected and blocked you |
| 21:44.55 | deadman | ok one sec :-) |
| 21:44.56 | brlcad | if it's against your policy |
| 21:44.58 | JeffM2501 | menotume, why does 2.0.x need it |
| 21:45.03 | JeffM2501 | there are no plans for a 2.0.8 |
| 21:45.19 | brlcad | still should get updated "just in case" |
| 21:45.27 | cosmos_ | sdfafdsa |
| 21:45.28 | cosmos_ | a |
| 21:45.28 | cosmos_ | fa |
| 21:45.28 | cosmos_ | 'dsasadf |
| 21:45.28 | cosmos_ | 'sadf |
| 21:45.28 | cosmos_ | ~. |
| 21:45.29 | ibot | . |
| 21:45.30 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, he said ibot could see him, so he's not blicked oging in |
| 21:45.39 | JeffM2501 | cosmos_, wtf? |
| 21:45.54 | menotume | it was the change I made to lagstats, to prvent long callsign from overwriting |
| 21:46.05 | menotume | i ended up right-justifying the callsign |
| 21:46.08 | menotume | not a big deal |
| 21:46.19 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:46.24 | JeffM2501 | so it dosn't need a release |
| 21:46.27 | menotume | no |
| 21:46.31 | JeffM2501 | but if someone wants it they can build from cvs |
| 21:46.33 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 21:46.37 | brlcad | JeffM2501: i know, i mean isp may have done something odd like block inbound to/from list server only |
| 21:46.43 | menotume | right, or MAYBE there will be a 2.0.7/8 |
| 21:46.55 | brlcad | 2.0.7 already "exists" |
| 21:47.00 | brlcad | only because we released 2.0.6 |
| 21:47.03 | JeffM2501 | I hope there isn't a 2.0.8 |
| 21:47.13 | JeffM2501 | cus that would be we had a bad thing |
| 21:47.30 | JeffM2501 | personaly I don't plan on doubleing up my fixes |
| 21:47.32 | Tupone | I'd stop modifying 2.0.x. And leave only for security fix. If that is not a crash fix I won't do it |
| 21:47.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah what he said |
| 21:47.46 | brlcad | or head gets so screwed that we resort to another release on teh branch in teh meantime |
| 21:48.00 | JeffM2501 | I don't think head will get that bad :) |
| 21:48.03 | menotume | exactly, or it gets 'delayed' |
| 21:48.07 | JeffM2501 | 1.8 done showed us the error of it |
| 21:48.19 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.8 shoudl have no new features |
| 21:48.20 | Tupone | It the 2.0.x will remain clean, we can fix if we got feedback of crash from user |
| 21:48.22 | brlcad | of leaving something screwed for so long? :) |
| 21:48.31 | deadman | FIXED YAY - thanks very much peoples |
| 21:48.34 | JeffM2501 | and not understating it |
| 21:48.40 | brlcad | what was the fix? |
| 21:48.49 | deadman | -publiclist |
| 21:48.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah proxy |
| 21:48.59 | deadman | proxy |
| 21:49.01 | CBG | deadman: congrats :) |
| 21:49.02 | JeffM2501 | or "web accelerator" |
| 21:49.12 | brlcad | or isp screwing with you |
| 21:49.21 | deadman | its a mac dont need accellerator |
| 21:49.27 | brlcad | (via a proxy) |
| 21:49.33 | JeffM2501 | umm sure it don't deadman |
| 21:49.39 | deadman | lol |
| 21:49.52 | menotume | so, i shouldn't commit it to branch then ? |
| 21:49.59 | JeffM2501 | many ISps run caching proxys cus it makes returning common pages faster |
| 21:50.00 | deadman | cya time to work, and thx again |
| 21:50.01 | Tupone | I say no |
| 21:50.08 | menotume | k |
| 21:50.10 | Tupone | , do not commit |
| 21:50.13 | brlcad | just the version number updates, anything else should just be bugs |
| 21:50.13 | JeffM2501 | menotume, I would prefer not, but I'd understand if oyu did |
| 21:50.18 | menotume | so, 2.1 comes out next week ? |
| 21:50.25 | JeffM2501 | ummm sure |
| 21:50.26 | menotume | no, i'll just do head |
| 21:50.38 | menotume | and try to remember it if we do other stuff in 2.0.7 |
| 21:50.39 | JeffM2501 | I'll bump it to .7 |
| 21:50.45 | menotume | (which i bet we will) :) |
| 21:50.53 | menotume | k |
| 21:51.00 | JeffM2501 | we should realy try not to |
| 21:51.03 | Tupone | menotume: better not remember, unless is a crash fix |
| 21:51.15 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.x has to die at some time |
| 21:51.20 | JeffM2501 | just like 1.10 did |
| 21:51.38 | JeffM2501 | cicle of life man |
| 21:51.46 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:51.48 | menotume | ok, i see |
| 21:51.53 | JeffM2501 | to be born anew as 2.2 |
| 21:51.58 | brlcad | that's got to be one of your better misspellings yet |
| 21:52.00 | TimRiker | long live the shortened laser. |
| 21:52.21 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, naw, I'm gonn make it round now :) |
| 21:52.29 | spldart | Wow... Only 4 1910 servers on now 8-0 |
| 21:52.55 | a_temp_dist | two of them are pieinthesky |
| 21:52.56 | TimRiker | as long as it's shorter so we can finally get to sparse updates for distant players. |
| 21:53.43 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/date/buildDate.cxx: mark it as dev again and .7 since the release is past |
| 21:53.55 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, we can do long laser and distance updates, once the server knows all |
| 21:54.04 | JeffM2501 | the server will be god |
| 21:54.13 | JeffM2501 | and all will worship it's divine glory |
| 21:54.21 | JeffM2501 | or yell at it and kill people in it's name. |
| 21:54.23 | JeffM2501 | one of those 2 |
| 21:54.34 | brlcad | very sweet impact on net usage |
| 21:54.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:54.43 | JeffM2501 | should be |
| 21:54.46 | brlcad | made that exponential increase linear |
| 21:54.48 | Tupone | brlcad had a log4bzflag too |
| 21:54.53 | brlcad | shh |
| 21:54.55 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:55.15 | brlcad | problem was tupone complaining about updates through teleporter :) |
| 21:55.23 | menotume | hmm, my changed was prted to head anyway :) |
| 21:55.29 | menotume | err, wasn't ported |
| 21:55.34 | brlcad | which spawned the whole waypoint code in position tracker :) |
| 21:55.41 | Tupone | yeah :) |
| 21:55.45 | brlcad | and then i was distracted |
| 21:55.49 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, well once it's all on the server, it can know who's close to a TP and update them a bit faster |
| 21:56.01 | brlcad | this was all server-side |
| 21:56.09 | JeffM2501 | I mean the server side state |
| 21:56.11 | Tupone | brlcad: I was not complaining. I just pointed at failure of the reasoning |
| 21:56.24 | Tupone | :) |
| 21:56.28 | JeffM2501 | then it can use TP closeness as part of the distance calc |
| 21:56.39 | brlcad | JeffM2501: actually, it would have served as the server side dr perfectly |
| 21:56.57 | JeffM2501 | then hook it up man :) |
| 21:57.50 | brlcad | well, it was mostly academic-written (very sloppy) and some of the code ws lost in an rm -rf (mainly just the main loop packet deconstruction in bzfs) |
| 21:58.13 | brlcad | the foundation is there already though.. just not hooked up :) |
| 21:58.29 | JeffM2501 | give it to Gnurdux I'm sure he can clean it up ;) |
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| 21:58.57 | spldart | I haven't been able to follow for a while... Has there been optimizations to optimized bandwidth necessary for gameplay and is this 2.0 and 2.1 or just for 2.1 or whateva ? |
| 21:59.13 | spldart | LoL at my optimal use of the word optimum |
| 21:59.54 | wegstar | :P |
| 22:00.12 | spldart | HI!!! Been a while :) |
| 22:00.27 | brlcad | TimRiker: you know if you just make theif lethal, you have short lasers :) |
| 22:00.37 | wegstar | spldart: ltns :D |
| 22:00.49 | wegstar | been dormant for a while.. |
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| 22:01.13 | JeffM2501 | spldart, I don't think much net clean up has happend yet in 2.1 |
| 22:01.38 | spldart | Ok... kew |
| 22:02.19 | JeffM2501 | is it even accurate? |
| 22:02.24 | wegstar | ;) |
| 22:02.42 | Chestal | I gues sit hasn't been updated for 2 years or so |
| 22:03.49 | Chestal | if a miracle happens and someone patche sit up, we should really try to always keep it in sync |
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| 22:05.43 | brlcad | smelly |
| 22:06.04 | That_Smell | i smell nothing. |
| 22:06.08 | spldart | OO OOOO that smelll.... /sing song |
| 22:06.14 | That_Smell | heh... |
| 22:06.20 | brlcad | or we could think about migrating the protocol doc into the code itself so it's always in sync |
| 22:06.30 | JeffM2501 | doxygen :) |
| 22:06.44 | brlcad | only mildly useful for this sort of doc.. |
| 22:07.06 | purple_cow | i bet it's flexible enough to work for that |
| 22:07.08 | brlcad | something like fully encapsulating the protocol via a BNF document or somesuch |
| 22:07.32 | brlcad | something that bzfs either loaded or compiled directly |
| 22:12.02 | JeffM2501 | that's one reason I started puting all the pack and unpack stuff in one place |
| 22:12.07 | JeffM2501 | to make it easyer to doc and change |
| 22:14.32 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: add note that there is no intention to continue development on the branch or release 2.0.8 -- bug fixes only |
| 22:14.56 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (README package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi): update version to 2.0.7 post release |
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| 22:16.31 | DTRemenak | moving is one-time, maintenance is forever |
| 22:16.31 | Chestal | wee, CVS HEAD is bavhing really funny |
| 22:16.46 | spldart | Has protocol changed much from 1910 to 0036? |
| 22:16.54 | Tupone | spldart: yes |
| 22:16.56 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 22:17.40 | spldart | so the .xml file on protocol in the 2.1 source is a bit out of date to be studying for my edification? |
| 22:17.48 | Chestal | am I supposed to reach 4000rpm in the curves of that racing map? :-) |
| 22:18.53 | spldart | 4000??? Dremel much? 8-0 |
| 22:20.01 | Chestal | mybe we should move config for 2.1 to ~/.bzf/2.1 or even 2.2 already? |
| 22:21.20 | Chestal | well, good night |
| 22:21.33 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/NEWS: Researched and updated BZFlag contributors documentation |
| 22:23.19 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/NEWS: merge from v2_0branch the actual list of changes that became 2.0.6 |
| 22:23.49 | JeffM2501 | yes the config for 2.1 is going to move |
| 22:23.52 | JeffM2501 | I'll be doing that tongiht |
| 22:24.02 | JeffM2501 | move and upgrade code from 2.0 |
| 22:24.07 | brlcad | spldart: not "way out of date" |
| 22:24.10 | JeffM2501 | just like 2.0 does from 1.10 |
| 22:24.31 | JeffM2501 | in fact for 2.1 I'll be moving it out of the my docs folder :) |
| 22:24.42 | JeffM2501 | aplication profiles here we come |
| 22:24.55 | DTRemenak | great, so now nobody will be able to find it :P |
| 22:24.57 | JeffM2501 | the only docs shoudl be saved maps and screenshots |
| 22:25.02 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:25.11 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I'll have a shortcut in the installer |
| 22:25.14 | DTRemenak | actually it should all be in My Games, according to MS |
| 22:25.47 | JeffM2501 | I'm gonna treat it as a normal applicatioin data thing |
| 22:25.56 | DTRemenak | k, whatever :P |
| 22:26.03 | JeffM2501 | screenshots go to "my images" |
| 22:26.06 | JeffM2501 | stuff like that |
| 22:26.31 | JeffM2501 | thankfully we don't have to worry about the diff between all users and local user :) |
| 22:26.48 | DTRemenak | that idiotic layout system is almost enough to make me go spend more time in linux :P |
| 22:27.11 | JeffM2501 | the config move was part of my grand idea stream, I just didn't write it up cus I am in the middle of doing it |
| 22:27.54 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/NEWS: apparently up to 2.1.6 |
| 22:30.05 | *** join/#bzflag bz81 (n=464e4d01@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
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| 22:32.53 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak|RDP] by ChanServ |
| 22:36.10 | menotume | hmmm, -a and -userdb options removed in bzfs 2.1.x ? |
| 22:36.51 | A_Meteorite | mentotume: woah... |
| 22:37.11 | menotume | woah wah ? |
| 22:37.23 | JeffM2501 | userdb was |
| 22:37.32 | JeffM2501 | -a I don't know about |
| 22:37.35 | JeffM2501 | I pulled local reg |
| 22:38.01 | JeffM2501 | untill it could be replaced with something that uses the same mechanism as global ( aka no plaintext passwords ) |
| 22:38.25 | menotume | ok, should be removed from help too i guess :) |
| 22:38.27 | JeffM2501 | even if its' just sending a hash of the password over the line in a message, with an end user "are you sure" |
| 22:38.35 | JeffM2501 | I pulled it from the man pages |
| 22:38.52 | menotume | ok, i'll remove it from online help |
| 22:38.58 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:39.01 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 22:39.07 | menotume | np :) |
| 22:39.26 | JeffM2501 | -a may have changed and is now a bzdb var, cus there is allways an acceleration limit |
| 22:40.38 | menotume | okies |
| 22:40.55 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/DEVINFO: additional release step, update and commit a ChangeLog that includes changes since the previous release using rcs2log |
| 22:41.01 | brlcad | ahh, oops, didn't see the other section |
| 22:41.35 | JeffM2501 | I need to see how todo that rcs2log thing on windows |
| 22:43.09 | TimRiker | no point in sending a hash over the network. |
| 22:43.12 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/DEVINFO: cvs2cl method is preferred but either should do |
| 22:43.19 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, it was just an example |
| 22:43.30 | TimRiker | trivial change to not hash it, and then sniff the hash from another client. |
| 22:43.39 | JeffM2501 | that's why the "are you sure" |
| 22:43.45 | JeffM2501 | it makes people feel better |
| 22:43.54 | JeffM2501 | hell right now it's sent plain as chat and is in the logs |
| 22:44.15 | JeffM2501 | guess sending it as a message is better then chat, and as good as hashing |
| 22:44.17 | TimRiker | right. hence the killing of it. ;-) |
| 22:44.25 | JeffM2501 | some may still want local reg |
| 22:44.34 | JeffM2501 | if they do they can figure out how to implement it :) |
| 22:45.00 | TimRiker | run the tcp channel over ssl. :) |
| 22:45.07 | JeffM2501 | maybe we can have the list server send a token server URL to the cleint and a list of allowed token servers on the client, then they could set up there own login type servers |
| 22:45.18 | JeffM2501 | sorry the game server send a token server URL |
| 22:45.26 | JeffM2501 | where the default is the list server |
| 22:45.27 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 22:45.35 | JeffM2501 | I just didn't like the password in chat thing |
| 22:45.42 | JeffM2501 | so I pulled it |
| 22:46.08 | TimRiker | I would think that the folks that want a different reg server would be those that can't get to the normal one. |
| 22:46.24 | JeffM2501 | I don't think that's a use at all |
| 22:46.25 | TimRiker | so they can setup thier own and have thier own registration. ;-) |
| 22:46.32 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/DEVINFO: config.ac, optionally notify the rest |
| 22:46.35 | JeffM2501 | I think it's for people who want there own leauges or systems |
| 22:46.38 | JeffM2501 | and don't trust us |
| 22:46.54 | TimRiker | well, they should stretch themselves and trust us more. |
| 22:47.01 | JeffM2501 | most lans have internet access :) |
| 22:47.08 | JeffM2501 | that's often the only reason for lans these days |
| 22:47.28 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: Remove -passdb from online help. |
| 22:47.38 | JeffM2501 | if our login system was more robust and had more automated group controlls and support for more private stuff I think they would |
| 22:47.42 | JeffM2501 | we'll get there one day |
| 22:47.48 | brlcad | i've played on several networks where contacting the list server was not possible, but playing otherwise was |
| 22:48.00 | JeffM2501 | proxys? |
| 22:48.17 | JeffM2501 | or just blocked out 80 all together? |
| 22:48.23 | JeffM2501 | or no net at all? |
| 22:48.31 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Prevent long callsigns from overwriting laginfo (/lagstats) |
| 22:48.42 | brlcad | nope, just different networks with various sorts of blocks or no net, a variety |
| 22:48.54 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 22:49.01 | JeffM2501 | did they also need registration? |
| 22:49.23 | brlcad | questionable |
| 22:49.24 | JeffM2501 | or did they just play lan games between friends |
| 22:49.38 | JeffM2501 | for the no net places, I can't see many cases where they need reg |
| 22:49.46 | JeffM2501 | cus usulay they are small nets where you know everyone |
| 22:50.20 | menotume | now to figure out why 2.1 client starts in windowed mode, and why F1 doesn't work |
| 22:50.41 | A_Meteorite | I would love my own reg system |
| 22:50.48 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 22:50.50 | purple_cow | i think it's also a question of wanting to own it, rather than not trusting us |
| 22:51.05 | brlcad | i know of a specific case wher reg and non-net would be very desireable |
| 22:51.05 | JeffM2501 | that is probalby more the truth |
| 22:51.07 | brlcad | but that's a convo best in private |
| 22:51.10 | purple_cow | same reason why everyone wants their own server |
| 22:51.11 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:51.16 | A_Meteorite | yeah, I trust you guys, but I would like the idea of owning one |
| 22:51.21 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 22:51.28 | A_Meteorite | more control |
| 22:51.31 | JeffM2501 | over what? |
| 22:51.36 | Mr_Molez | power mad ! |
| 22:51.38 | JeffM2501 | just so you can ban people? |
| 22:51.38 | A_Meteorite | over problem users |
| 22:51.41 | A_Meteorite | no |
| 22:51.45 | A_Meteorite | I don't ban freely |
| 22:51.53 | JeffM2501 | you have full controll over the users of your servers now |
| 22:51.58 | purple_cow | imo it's mostly an ego thing |
| 22:51.59 | JeffM2501 | what does your own user database give you over that? |
| 22:52.06 | JeffM2501 | eWang ;) |
| 22:52.13 | A_Meteorite | cheaters, my network that I will start |
| 22:52.27 | A_Meteorite | stuff |
| 22:52.30 | JeffM2501 | again how does owning the database give you more controll? |
| 22:52.42 | JeffM2501 | you'd still ban the same users |
| 22:52.44 | A_Meteorite | does "it makes me feel in control" work? :) |
| 22:52.47 | JeffM2501 | or not ban the same users |
| 22:52.52 | JeffM2501 | see it's the ego thing |
| 22:52.53 | purple_cow | it doesn't, it's just a rationalization |
| 22:52.55 | JeffM2501 | it just makes you feel better |
| 22:53.06 | A_Meteorite | it's not really an ego thing |
| 22:53.16 | JeffM2501 | it's the red sportscar of bzflag :) |
| 22:53.31 | spldart | mmmmMMMmmmmm red sportscar |
| 22:53.31 | JeffM2501 | you can still ban or allow on a per user database |
| 22:53.37 | JeffM2501 | regardless of where the users are stored |
| 22:53.42 | JeffM2501 | it just lets you set the look |
| 22:53.45 | A_Meteorite | How? |
| 22:53.54 | JeffM2501 | with normal banlists |
| 22:53.57 | spldart | I drive old hotrods myself :shrug: |
| 22:53.58 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 22:54.14 | A_Meteorite | There's this one thing I've always wanted... |
| 22:54.23 | JeffM2501 | a big fuzzy hat? |
| 22:54.27 | spldart | lol |
| 22:54.33 | A_Meteorite | per-user permissions - groups not required for just one person |
| 22:54.41 | A_Meteorite | no, I already gone a hat ;) |
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| 22:54.44 | A_Meteorite | *got |
| 22:54.49 | JeffM2501 | you can do that now with user db |
| 22:54.53 | A_Meteorite | I can?!?! |
| 22:54.55 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 22:54.59 | A_Meteorite | That's not documented |
| 22:54.59 | JeffM2501 | add the user to your user db |
| 22:55.03 | JeffM2501 | give them perms |
| 22:55.15 | JeffM2501 | if there is no passdb then it'll only let them globaly auth |
| 22:55.19 | A_Meteorite | what's the command to give perms? |
| 22:55.20 | JeffM2501 | then they pick up those perms |
| 22:55.22 | A_Meteorite | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.23 | JeffM2501 | there is no command |
| 22:55.26 | JeffM2501 | you edit the file |
| 22:55.32 | JeffM2501 | your userdb |
| 22:55.37 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ideas.txt: replace smart quotes with simple quotes so simple text editors don't cry |
| 22:55.39 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 22:55.54 | A_Meteorite | so, behind let's say Meteorite.Cop I could add shutDownServer? |
| 22:55.57 | menotume | who is our SDL expert ? :) |
| 22:55.59 | A_Meteorite | (I think that's the perm) |
| 22:56.00 | A_Meteorite | or even set |
| 22:56.02 | TimRiker | local permissions would be good to have in 2.2 with docs and stuph |
| 22:56.04 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, yeah I did it in word, for spellchecking.. sorry |
| 22:56.11 | brlcad | menotume: I thought you were! |
| 22:56.21 | brlcad | JeffM2501: figured |
| 22:56.34 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, that's ag roup |
| 22:56.36 | JeffM2501 | group |
| 22:56.38 | JeffM2501 | not a user |
| 22:56.45 | A_Meteorite | I meant in the userdb |
| 22:56.51 | JeffM2501 | groups are not in the user db |
| 22:56.53 | A_Meteorite | it has the user name and the groups below it |
| 22:56.54 | JeffM2501 | only users |
| 22:56.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:57.01 | JeffM2501 | then perms |
| 22:57.06 | A_Meteorite | Oh |
| 22:57.12 | menotume | brlcad: piddle more |
| 22:57.12 | JeffM2501 | specific allow and deny |
| 22:57.19 | A_Meteorite | I didn't know there were per-user permissiosn |
| 22:57.22 | A_Meteorite | *permissions |
| 22:57.31 | JeffM2501 | at first there were ONLY per user perms :) |
| 22:57.35 | JeffM2501 | groups came second |
| 22:57.43 | A_Meteorite | it sure would be nice for that to be a feature - /setperm |
| 22:57.51 | JeffM2501 | code it up |
| 22:58.08 | menotume | pw |
| 22:58.12 | A_Meteorite | I'll look into it :) |
| 22:59.04 | spl_workonserver | heh that fit |
| 22:59.34 | trepan | brlcad: gonna require a tag for changelog commits, or put all the crap in there? |
| 22:59.55 | trepan | ChangeLog: ws, ws, ws, typo, oops, etc... |
| 23:00.05 | JeffM2501 | I think if we had a way for users to "register" a server in the global system, and be able to make there own groups that were prefixed witht he server name, then that would make most users happy |
| 23:00.10 | JeffM2501 | and give them more controll |
| 23:00.17 | JeffM2501 | and bug me less :) |
| 23:00.30 | JeffM2501 | then we could put servers in groups :) |
| 23:00.36 | JeffM2501 | to help the clients sort them |
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| 23:02.12 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.ac: piddle some more. kill the mipspro check since nothing was using BUGGY_MIPSPRO. |
| 23:02.34 | brlcad | trepan: we're supposed to put all that crap in there |
| 23:02.58 | trepan | so much for the 'user visible' policy, heh? |
| 23:03.14 | brlcad | NEWS is user-visible |
| 23:03.24 | brlcad | ChangeLog is source changes since last release |
| 23:03.42 | trepan | new rev, new policy, fair' nuff |
| 23:03.43 | brlcad | (or since inception, but that gets massive for projects this old) |
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| 23:04.10 | BZ-Scorch | hi brad. |
| 23:04.16 | brlcad | that was at least the intent of moving to NEWS |
| 23:04.23 | brlcad | we were using changelog like news |
| 23:05.24 | purple_cow | i tend to think that changelogs are obsolete, but i guess they're still handy for cvs ;) |
| 23:05.50 | purple_cow | speaking of which |
| 23:06.11 | brad2901 | hi BZ-Scorch |
| 23:06.38 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.ac: move plugins check to the arguments section |
| 23:08.03 | menotume | brlcad can stop piddling now |
| 23:08.16 | menotume | and fix my F1 problem :P |
| 23:09.30 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/version.h src/bzflag/clientConfig.cxx): move config to 2.2 dir, only copy from 2.0 ( no need to go back to 1.10, or 1.7 ) |
| 23:09.53 | menotume | JeffM2501: goodie :) |
| 23:10.00 | JeffM2501 | I reset the version back to 0 too |
| 23:10.06 | menotume | okies |
| 23:10.07 | JeffM2501 | so we can do our own upgrades if we need to |
| 23:10.25 | menotume | i thought that may be my F1 problem, so i deleted my config - no help |
| 23:10.41 | JeffM2501 | it starts fullscreen for me |
| 23:10.48 | menotume | starts windowed for me |
| 23:10.56 | menotume | and, F1 does nothing |
| 23:10.56 | JeffM2501 | install windows ;) |
| 23:10.59 | menotume | hehe |
| 23:11.15 | menotume | SDL was enabled, according to ./configure |
| 23:11.40 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, hey at least I spell checked it :) |
| 23:14.03 | *** part/#bzflag BZ-Scorch (n=BZ-Scorc@c-71-232-95-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
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| 23:19.32 | *** part/#bzflag BZ-Scorch (n=BZ-Scorc@c-71-232-95-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
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| 23:20.27 | brlcad | menotume: thanks :) |
| 23:20.31 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.ac: much bigger piddle, take care of one of the todo cleanup items. that is, move all the with/enable argument options into the arguments section. |
| 23:20.38 | brlcad | and stops |
| 23:21.17 | *** part/#bzflag Scorch (n=BZ-Scorc@c-71-232-95-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 23:21.40 | *** join/#bzflag Scorch (n=BZ-Scorc@c-71-232-95-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 23:23.38 | JeffM2501 | Scorch, what the hell man? |
| 23:23.57 | Scorch | huh? |
| 23:24.13 | JeffM2501 | you've conected and disconeced like 6 times |
| 23:24.23 | Scorch | oh, i was fixing some issues with this client. |
| 23:24.34 | Scorch | its called colloquoy, it displayed my real name... |
| 23:24.48 | Scorch | and when i tried to delete it then went into info again it didn't respond |
| 23:24.51 | Scorch | sry though |
| 23:24.51 | purple_cow | oh no! not a real name! |
| 23:24.55 | Scorch | its fixed now. |
| 23:25.00 | JeffM2501 | ok good |
| 23:25.11 | JeffM2501 | cus we see you connect and disconect |
| 23:25.15 | Scorch | sry |
| 23:25.29 | Scorch | next time ill do it in the bzchat channel |
| 23:25.40 | TimRiker | or # or #botpark or ... :) |
| 23:25.40 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:25.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus your real name isBob Smith |
| 23:25.51 | TimRiker | sssshh |
| 23:26.06 | JeffM2501 | he's actualy a truck driver |
| 23:26.12 | Scorch | If that wasn't the most common name in the world i'd believe you. |
| 23:26.12 | A_Meteorite | Oh no! Someone is going to go to his house! |
| 23:26.30 | TimRiker | so much for my secret identity. |
| 23:26.32 | JBdiGriz | If you have someone's true name, you can cast a spell on them. ;) |
| 23:26.39 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, you can still keep the cake |
| 23:26.42 | JeffM2501 | cape even |
| 23:26.51 | TimRiker | aw. I wanted the cake. |
| 23:26.56 | JeffM2501 | JBdiGriz, or banish them to there home dimension |
| 23:27.06 | JeffM2501 | I have cake now, so it sliped into mind :) |
| 23:27.14 | JeffM2501 | mmmm chocolate cake :) |
| 23:29.20 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 23:29.39 | JeffM2501 | teach him english will you? |
| 23:29.43 | purple_cow | i never ended up making that st patrick's day cake... |
| 23:29.50 | JeffM2501 | was it green? |
| 23:30.10 | purple_cow | no |
| 23:30.16 | A_Meteorite | there are real stalkers... except them finding you is the hard part :) |
| 23:30.21 | purple_cow | full of alcohol though |
| 23:30.31 | JeffM2501 | the bestest of cakes |
| 23:30.52 | CBG | Just one thing about 2.0.6 - maybe it was in before now, but I never noticed... I can be "Driving with" an observer. Right now I am "driving with ebert" and ebert is in observer... |
| 23:31.06 | JeffM2501 | sweet |
| 23:31.11 | JeffM2501 | 3 way |
| 23:31.21 | JeffM2501 | it's a feature :) |
| 23:31.37 | JeffM2501 | undocumented.. but a feature |
| 23:32.16 | purple_cow | maybe i'll make it this weekend |
| 23:32.26 | CBG | JeffM2501: driving with an obs is a feature? |
| 23:33.21 | JeffM2501 | umm sure |
| 23:35.34 | JBdiGriz | There have been ways of getting into that mode previously. Does 2.0.6 allow you to choose an observer to drive with? |
| 23:35.51 | CBG | i'll go back and see.. |
| 23:37.13 | CBG | Nope, can't choose... |
| 23:39.41 | JBdiGriz | It's the same issue as before. Driving with someone who logs out, and then an observer joins and takes the slot. |
| 23:40.58 | CBG | Ok. :) |
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| 23:45.09 | Scorch | in response to CBG: Just one thing about 2.0.6 - maybe it was in before now, but I never noticed... I can be "Driving with" an observer. Right now I am "driving with ebert" and ebert is in observer... You can do that in previous versions when all but an observer and you leave the game, when that observer leaves it still says driving with them. Also, i don't think your seeing what they're seeing. |
| 23:45.36 | CBG | Scorch: read up. |
| 23:46.32 | Scorch | oi, I need to improve my reading skills :( it was a good explanation though... |
| 23:47.10 | JeffM2501 | CBG, it's a joke |
| 23:47.21 | JeffM2501 | develpers say "it's not a bug.. it's an undocmented feature" |
| 23:47.42 | CBG | JeffM2501: yeah, I know... |
| 23:47.54 | CBG | I've done it before, myself. |
| 23:48.40 | Scorch | JeffM2501: Well, the driving through walls on screenshots undocumented feature should be annihilated (just an opinion) |
| 23:49.20 | Scorch | what colors? and u mean laughs right? |
| 23:49.29 | JeffM2501 | you are using colors |
| 23:49.30 | JeffM2501 | don't |
| 23:49.55 | JeffM2501 | and again please use full english, not your crap AOL speak |
| 23:50.29 | Scorch | who me? i don't use crap AOL (I said nothing about not using its speak) |
| 23:50.36 | JeffM2501 | you speak like them |
| 23:50.40 | JeffM2501 | use full words |
| 23:50.46 | JeffM2501 | not "u, k, etc.." |
| 23:51.10 | JeffM2501 | your client is doing highlighs |
| 23:51.10 | Scorch | k ill st0p if u insst :) |
| 23:51.18 | JeffM2501 | don't push me |
| 23:51.22 | JeffM2501 | seriously |
| 23:51.27 | Scorch | ok sorry |
| 23:51.38 | JeffM2501 | this is a channel for mature discussion |
| 23:51.43 | Scorch | can i use any of it? it seems ok in bzflag. |
| 23:51.45 | JeffM2501 | if you want to babble use #bzchat |
| 23:51.55 | Scorch | nobody is ever on bzchat. |
| 23:51.56 | JeffM2501 | the game is not this channel |
| 23:52.01 | JeffM2501 | so what |
| 23:52.04 | purple_cow | JeffM2501 is big, and has a beard that in some circumstances could be considered "ominous" |
| 23:52.14 | JeffM2501 | it's very short now |
| 23:52.34 | purple_cow | so was spock's ;) |
| 23:52.51 | JeffM2501 | it's not a goat anymore |
| 23:52.57 | JeffM2501 | went full beard |
| 23:53.08 | purple_cow | ahh |
| 23:53.51 | Scorch | how did brclad think i lived in massachusetts? |
| 23:54.00 | JeffM2501 | ask him |
| 23:54.02 | JeffM2501 | in a /msg |
| 23:54.03 | JeffM2501 | find out |
| 23:54.32 | CBG | No need. I know exactly why brlcad thought that Scorch lived in Massachusetts. |
| 23:56.15 | spl_workonserver | methinks I need to go ahead and upgrade to 1ghz lan :( |
| 23:59.43 | Scorch | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.57 | Scorch | oops. sorry about that. |
