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| 00:52.01 | TD-Linux | YEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:52.12 | TD-Linux | I can't stand it |
| 00:52.29 | TD-Linux | after about an hour of typing stuff in the command-line... |
| 00:52.30 | CBG17 | What...? |
| 00:52.42 | TD-Linux | X11 STARTED!!!!!!!! |
| 00:52.52 | CBG17 | o.O |
| 00:52.57 | TD-Linux | not on my server, on my main computer!!! |
| 00:53.27 | TD-Linux | I had to install some ATI drivers, modify GRUB, and recompile the boot image |
| 00:55.00 | TD-Linux | now for bzflag |
| 00:55.04 | TD-Linux | ~bzcvs |
| 00:55.06 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 00:55.24 | JeffM2501 | how many servers are there now? |
| 00:56.04 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 00:56.15 | eXtreme | too many |
| 00:56.26 | JeffM2501 | allmost 1 to 1 |
| 00:56.49 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, realy do we need to see your inner monolauge? |
| 00:56.56 | JeffM2501 | cus it's suposed to be INNER |
| 00:57.11 | JeffM2501 | the word "LINUX" is in your nick, just install it allready |
| 00:57.14 | TD-Linux | I think I need a diary |
| 00:57.21 | JeffM2501 | get a blog |
| 00:57.27 | JeffM2501 | or a LJ |
| 00:57.30 | JeffM2501 | cus we are not it |
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| 01:09.33 | BzFire | findlay: :) |
| 01:09.43 | TD-Linux | woweee... bzflag compiles fast on 3.4ghz |
| 01:10.05 | CBG17 | slow on my 1.2ghz :( |
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| 01:13.05 | blast007 | slower on my 133MHz :P |
| 01:13.16 | CBG17 | Hehe! |
| 01:13.24 | CBG17 | I bet... Must take a couple hours.. |
| 01:13.28 | blast007 | try like 12 |
| 01:13.32 | CBG17 | rofl |
| 01:13.41 | blast007 | it runs of of memory, so it has to do a lot of swapping |
| 01:13.44 | blast007 | out of* |
| 01:14.02 | blast007 | the CPU isn't even at 15% during the compile normally |
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| 01:21.17 | A_Meteorite | Anyone see Shadow? |
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| 01:32.59 | CBG17 | A_Meteorite: Who what where when why how? |
| 01:33.16 | A_Meteorite | was supposed to show him how to do local groups |
| 01:33.34 | CBG17 | Well, he ain't here. :) |
| 01:33.38 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 01:33.52 | A_Meteorite | OH! |
| 01:34.00 | A_Meteorite | he scheduled it for tomorrow! |
| 01:34.01 | A_Meteorite | ROFL |
| 01:34.06 | A_Meteorite | "Friday" not Sat |
| 01:34.15 | A_Meteorite | *Thu |
| 01:34.20 | A_Meteorite | I got all my days mixed up |
| 01:35.27 | CBG17 | Heh... |
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| 01:36.38 | Atomica | Hello all! |
| 01:36.47 | A_Meteorite | Hi. |
| 01:36.52 | Atomica | I need help with running the skyColorCTF plugin |
| 01:37.09 | Atomica | I downloaded the source to change something and don't know what to do know |
| 01:37.21 | JeffM2501 | learn C |
| 01:37.31 | Atomica | no |
| 01:37.34 | Atomica | :P |
| 01:37.44 | Atomica | I already changed it |
| 01:37.44 | JeffM2501 | then editing a C++ plugin may be a bit hard to do |
| 01:37.48 | JeffM2501 | then build it |
| 01:37.55 | Atomica | nHow would I do that? |
| 01:37.57 | JeffM2501 | with your compiler |
| 01:38.04 | Atomica | with Dev-C |
| 01:38.08 | Atomica | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.13 | JeffM2501 | dev-C++ can't do plugins |
| 01:38.13 | Atomica | arg |
| 01:38.20 | Atomica | oh |
| 01:38.22 | JeffM2501 | you need visual C++ |
| 01:38.29 | Atomica | I see |
| 01:38.37 | blast007 | and CGI:IRC can do plus signs ;) |
| 01:38.39 | blast007 | can't* |
| 01:38.40 | Atomica | is it better? |
| 01:38.56 | JeffM2501 | it is the MS comercial compiler |
| 01:39.01 | JeffM2501 | it is what I made the plugin system in |
| 01:39.11 | Atomica | oh I see |
| 01:39.32 | JeffM2501 | somone probably could get mingw to do plugins but it would be a lot of work |
| 01:40.04 | Atomica | which do I download? |
| 01:40.22 | JeffM2501 | you can try the express version |
| 01:40.27 | Atomica | Microsoft Visual C 2005 Express? |
| 01:40.28 | JeffM2501 | but it's not trivial |
| 01:40.37 | Atomica | oh ok |
| 01:41.04 | JeffM2501 | you'll also need to set the header and lib paths to use the API header and lib that came with your binary install |
| 01:41.33 | Atomica | I think I'll just stick with the original version of the plug in |
| 01:41.45 | Atomica | I be a noob! |
| 01:41.52 | Atomica | to C |
| 01:41.58 | Atomica | Cplusplus |
| 01:42.18 | Atomica | But I am learning |
| 01:42.25 | Atomica | welll I'll be going now bye! |
| 01:42.33 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
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| 01:43.41 | Atomica | Maybe I should stay on |
| 01:43.57 | Atomica | How do you make a new line in te 15 min message thingy? |
| 01:44.03 | Atomica | in the config file |
| 01:44.04 | JeffM2501 | read the manual page |
| 01:45.34 | Atomica | I see |
| 01:46.16 | blast007 | ~man bzfs |
| 01:46.18 | ibot | i guess man bzfs is http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzfs.6s |
| 01:46.28 | CBG17 | Atomica: use: -admsg "Message goes here" |
| 01:46.45 | blast007 | CBG17: make them read ;) |
| 01:47.02 | JeffM2501 | they don't learn if you spoon feed them all the answers |
| 01:47.10 | CBG17 | blast007: Pff... I'm not allowed to be helpful? |
| 01:47.19 | JeffM2501 | you can be yes |
| 01:47.31 | CBG17 | Better then being a jerk, right? |
| 01:47.32 | JeffM2501 | by pointing in the right direction |
| 01:47.41 | JeffM2501 | if you want to do his config for him then /msg |
| 01:47.56 | CBG17 | Well, I had my conf file open right in front of me. TOok half a second to copy and paste. |
| 01:48.00 | CBG17 | Took* |
| 01:48.08 | JeffM2501 | it's not about how long it takes you |
| 01:48.43 | CBG17 | It is to me. |
| 01:49.01 | CBG17 | It's no skin of my nose and it has saved Atomica time and trouble. |
| 01:49.05 | JeffM2501 | I meant the point we were making wasn't about you |
| 01:49.12 | JeffM2501 | then go do his config for him |
| 01:49.26 | JeffM2501 | since you think learning and reading is bad |
| 01:49.30 | CBG17 | He doesnt want someone to do his config. SHeesh!! |
| 01:49.41 | CBG17 | he wanted someone to remind him of ONE sticking line. |
| 01:49.49 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it was a remind |
| 01:49.54 | CBG17 | How the $%^&* do you know what I think? |
| 01:50.00 | JeffM2501 | from what I can tell, he's never even read the man page |
| 01:50.10 | JeffM2501 | I wasn't telling you what you think |
| 01:50.14 | JeffM2501 | I was telling you what I think |
| 01:50.21 | CBG17 | "since you think learning and reading is bad" |
| 01:50.25 | JeffM2501 | just calm down there skip |
| 01:50.27 | CBG17 | I do NOT think that. |
| 01:50.33 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:50.41 | CBG17 | If I want to help him - I will. |
| 01:50.41 | JeffM2501 | it just sounded like you did |
| 01:50.45 | Atomica | I already know how |
| 01:50.51 | JeffM2501 | noone ever said you couln't |
| 01:50.59 | CBG17 | Then what's the issue? |
| 01:51.00 | JeffM2501 | who peed in your cerial today? |
| 01:51.06 | JeffM2501 | there was no issue |
| 01:51.10 | JeffM2501 | we were jsut making a comment |
| 01:51.15 | CBG17 | I didn't eat no cereal. Perhaps that is it? |
| 01:51.17 | JeffM2501 | and you got all huffy |
| 01:51.29 | CBG17 | I got huffy when you told me what I was thinking. |
| 01:51.33 | CBG17 | And were wrong. |
| 01:51.44 | JeffM2501 | blast007: Pff... I'm not allowed to be helpful? == huffy |
| 01:51.50 | JeffM2501 | see the pfft |
| 01:51.55 | JeffM2501 | that's the air from the huff :) |
| 01:51.56 | Atomica | when I put the path to the badwrods file, would it start in the same dir? |
| 01:52.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:52.05 | Atomica | ok |
| 01:52.08 | JeffM2501 | all paths are relitive |
| 01:52.11 | CBG17 | JeffM2501: You think i actually went "pff"? |
| 01:52.15 | JeffM2501 | you typed it |
| 01:52.18 | CBG17 | JeffM2501: DONT TELL HIM!! |
| 01:52.28 | JeffM2501 | CBG17, are you going to be a jerk now? |
| 01:52.38 | JeffM2501 | he asked info that was not in the manual |
| 01:52.39 | Atomica | STOP IT@ |
| 01:52.44 | JeffM2501 | and an intelegent question |
| 01:52.48 | CBG17 | Well - since I can't tell anyone how to do anything.... |
| 01:52.51 | JeffM2501 | Atomica, don't worry about him |
| 01:52.54 | JeffM2501 | he's just being stuborn |
| 01:53.00 | Atomica | STOP FIGHTING! |
| 01:53.05 | JeffM2501 | and overly dramtic |
| 01:53.09 | Atomica | You are taking up the whole board |
| 01:53.11 | Atomica | :P |
| 01:53.19 | JeffM2501 | you'll live Atomica |
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| 01:54.21 | JeffM2501 | and it's not a "board" its an IRC channel |
| 01:54.37 | Atomica | I had to think up something quick |
| 01:54.44 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:54.48 | JeffM2501 | no you didn't, not really |
| 01:54.53 | JeffM2501 | noone is fighing |
| 01:55.21 | CBG17 | He won't live, if nobody tells him how to get out of the dreaded dungeon of the dark lands of durkunville! |
| 01:55.26 | JeffM2501 | just that 50% miss chance on the tone of text messages |
| 01:55.57 | CBG17 | Its too early for me to get angry... :) |
| 01:56.00 | Atomica | do I need debugging? |
| 01:56.11 | JeffM2501 | generaly not |
| 01:56.17 | JeffM2501 | it just logs stuff out to the console |
| 01:56.22 | Atomica | oh ok |
| 01:57.59 | Atomica | WOAH! You can have 2 green team flags? |
| 01:58.13 | CBG17 | Yep. |
| 02:00.00 | Atomica | and to do that I would need to enter f G* twice? |
| 02:00.25 | CBG17 | Hmm, maybe only once - since there will be one there by default anyway. |
| 02:00.36 | CBG17 | Though I'm not sure. Try it and see... |
| 02:01.12 | Atomica | ok |
| 02:01.33 | JeffM2501 | g*{2} |
| 02:02.48 | Atomica | OH! And if I were to (minus)f good but have a (plus)f L{4}, would there be lasers and nothing else? |
| 02:04.11 | CBG17 | No need to do -f good |
| 02:04.24 | CBG17 | Bydefault, there are no super flags. So just add what you want. |
| 02:04.31 | Atomica | so it wont put any flags if I don't specify it? |
| 02:04.36 | Atomica | ok |
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| 02:06.14 | Atomica | can I set normal vars without the vars file? |
| 02:06.20 | Atomica | just maing sure |
| 02:06.34 | CBG17 | vars like -set _wingsJumpCount 10 |
| 02:06.36 | CBG17 | for example? |
| 02:06.40 | Atomica | yes |
| 02:06.51 | CBG17 | Yeah. They can go in your conf file. |
| 02:08.19 | spldart | Judgment call query for other server operators... I had a user one of my servers goin by the name "Black boy"... I band them because of the racist connotation. Does anyone agree or consider my reaction overboard? |
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| 02:10.53 | Atomica | What is a good lag thing? |
| 02:10.59 | Atomica | warn |
| 02:13.23 | Atomica | number of shots before reload is basically shots right? |
| 02:13.50 | spldart | yeah |
| 02:13.57 | spldart | shot count before the reload wait |
| 02:14.03 | Atomica | ok |
| 02:14.12 | CBG17 | I find that lag warn is often at 300 ms. :) |
| 02:14.44 | Atomica | printscore? |
| 02:14.57 | CBG17 | Pass. :) |
| 02:15.11 | Atomica | haha |
| 02:15.24 | spldart | I got my lagwarn at 400 but should probably reduce it |
| 02:15.35 | Atomica | what is the good poll votes required? |
| 02:16.00 | lan56 | default is 50.1% |
| 02:16.04 | CBG17 | I have raised mine to 500ms before now, just to keep people, who would otherwise have been kicked, there. :) |
| 02:16.13 | spldart | I've never run poll hrm... |
| 02:16.46 | lan56 | Atomica, a lot of these variables depend on your preferences, such as how democratic you want to be, or what type of connections you expect/have (for lag times/warns) |
| 02:17.02 | Atomica | How do I make the name of my server all colorful! :P |
| 02:19.36 | Atomica | hello? |
| 02:20.11 | orchid | what do you mean colorful? |
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| 02:20.27 | Atomica | like make it blue or red or yelllow or green, ect |
| 02:20.30 | spldart | in bzflag client on server list |
| 02:20.33 | spldart | Methinks |
| 02:20.48 | Atomica | yea, how do you set that? |
| 02:20.57 | orchid | oh he colors are dependant on what type of game you serve I think |
| 02:20.59 | spldart | I dunno either... it is cool though |
| 02:21.24 | Atomica | it doesn't depend on game type |
| 02:21.32 | Atomica | that's what that start thing is for |
| 02:21.36 | spldart | maybe it's the version of the bzfs ??? |
| 02:21.42 | Atomica | no |
| 02:22.29 | trepan | number of shots -> color |
| 02:22.37 | Atomica | OH! |
| 02:22.44 | spldart | coolies |
| 02:22.49 | Atomica | What are the different ones? |
| 02:25.39 | A_Meteorite | Shadow? |
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| 02:25.57 | A_Meteorite | Hmmm.. he said he was coming |
| 02:25.58 | A_Meteorite | argh |
| 02:26.42 | CBG17 | You guys dont have IM clients? |
| 02:26.48 | A_Meteorite | I do |
| 02:26.53 | A_Meteorite | but he doesn't |
| 02:27.03 | CBG17 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:27.12 | A_Meteorite | I don't see him |
| 02:27.21 | A_Meteorite | unless I'm overlooking him on the list |
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| 02:27.38 | CBG17 | He doesnt have to be in the channel for you to /msg him. |
| 02:27.44 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 02:28.38 | A_Meteorite | nope, he's not on |
| 02:28.49 | CBG17 | Bleh. :) |
| 02:29.03 | TD-Linux | ~bzcvs |
| 02:29.05 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 02:29.24 | A_Meteorite | LOL!! That's the name of the shell script I use to update my cvs. :D |
| 02:29.31 | Atomica | what is the publicaddress? |
| 02:29.44 | CBG17 | Atomica: YourWanIP:port |
| 02:29.47 | A_Meteorite | Atomica: Your IP or no-ip.com account |
| 02:29.57 | Atomica | is it my IP? |
| 02:30.00 | A_Meteorite | or any other IP forwarder |
| 02:30.04 | A_Meteorite | whatismyip.com |
| 02:30.07 | CBG17 | something like 123.456.789.010:5154 |
| 02:30.24 | Atomica | ok |
| 02:32.54 | Atomica | hahaha |
| 02:33.00 | Atomica | -srvmsg "I have a cool BZFlag server, and I can not read." |
| 02:33.07 | Atomica | who made this? |
| 02:33.19 | CBG17 | Who made what? |
| 02:35.40 | Atomica | the config file |
| 02:35.57 | Atomica | and How can I give reasons for kicks in the conifg file? |
| 02:36.30 | CBG17 | What conf file? |
| 02:36.46 | CBG17 | And What do you mean by "kicks in the config file"? |
| 02:37.36 | Atomica | the bzfs.conf and the tkkr kick |
| 02:37.43 | BzFire | the name black boy could be perfectly innocent in my opinion |
| 02:40.37 | shorty114 | yeah, he could actually be a black boy |
| 02:40.44 | shorty114 | with no creativity, but still... |
| 02:41.00 | BzFire | or black could mean something else |
| 02:41.47 | shorty114 | yeah |
| 02:44.37 | blast007 | Atomica: the man file should describe all the options, as should "bzfs -help" |
| 02:47.08 | lan56 | Atomica, any kicks done by the server, including tkkr kicks, give the reason to the kicked automatically. user-done kicks need to be given a reason manually |
| 02:51.53 | Atomica | I see! Thanks! |
| 02:57.11 | Atomica | UGH |
| 02:57.20 | Atomica | Why won't it start up! |
| 02:57.31 | Atomica | It says it can't find the config file |
| 02:57.48 | Atomica | Does it have to be in the same folder as bzfs? |
| 02:59.05 | blast007 | not necessarily, if you specify the full patch |
| 02:59.07 | blast007 | path* |
| 02:59.37 | Atomica | well I typed in -conf C:\BZ Server\atomicaconfig.txt |
| 02:59.44 | Atomica | that is the path |
| 02:59.56 | blast007 | put the path in quotes |
| 03:00.04 | Atomica | oh! |
| 03:00.07 | blast007 | there is a space, so it's seeing it as c:\BZ |
| 03:00.30 | Atomica | I get it! THANKS! |
| 03:01.24 | Atomica | now it says that -autoteam is a bad argument! |
| 03:02.06 | CBG17 | use -autoTeam (notice the capital T)... |
| 03:02.31 | BzFire | does it not autoteam by default anyway ? |
| 03:03.01 | blast007 | BzFire: no |
| 03:03.10 | Atomica | OMG |
| 03:03.13 | blast007 | autoTeam will balance the teams out |
| 03:03.22 | BzFire | ok |
| 03:03.22 | blast007 | normally I think it's more random |
| 03:03.24 | Atomica | Do I need quots for the world as well? |
| 03:03.38 | CBG17 | Atomica: Probably :) |
| 03:03.58 | Atomica | it already has them |
| 03:04.19 | Atomica | but then why does it say no world specified? |
| 03:04.48 | blast007 | probably a path issue again |
| 03:07.46 | Atomica | I think i got it! |
| 03:08.38 | amcnabb | I'm looking at the SceneRenderer class right now. |
| 03:09.05 | amcnabb | As I've mentioned on bzflag-dev, I'm making it so bzflag can run headless. |
| 03:09.16 | CBG17 | Atomica: Yay... :) Check you are on the server list by looking for your server at http://bzflag.org/db |
| 03:09.37 | CBG17 | Or, maybe not. :/ |
| 03:09.46 | CBG17 | List server is down, folks? |
| 03:10.05 | Atomica | I can't get to it! |
| 03:10.08 | amcnabb | Are there any methods in SceneRenderer that shouldn't be no-ops in a headless SceneRenderer? |
| 03:10.10 | Atomica | on BZFlag |
| 03:10.29 | CBG17 | Atomica: Try to connect to "localhost" |
| 03:10.34 | Atomica | 206.251.6.178 |
| 03:10.56 | Atomica | YAY! |
| 03:11.02 | Atomica | localhost! |
| 03:11.09 | Atomica | you try that IP |
| 03:11.09 | CBG17 | 206.251.6.178 is your WAN IP? |
| 03:11.13 | Atomica | yes |
| 03:11.20 | CBG17 | Okies. |
| 03:12.34 | CBG17 | "Error connecting to server." |
| 03:12.40 | Atomica | aww |
| 03:12.43 | Atomica | why? |
| 03:12.49 | CBG17 | Dunno. |
| 03:12.50 | CBG17 | o |
| 03:14.24 | Atomica | ok try now |
| 03:14.28 | CBG17 | Ok. |
| 03:15.37 | CBG17 | :) 'tworks. |
| 03:20.34 | Atomica | YAY! |
| 03:20.40 | CBG17 | ~dns webmaster-talk.com |
| 03:20.40 | Atomica | Well G'Night! |
| 03:20.45 | CBG17 | g'night Atomica |
| 03:20.46 | Atomica | nhuh? |
| 03:21.25 | CBG17 | Hmm, that could suggest it is down? |
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| 04:02.56 | bryjen | I wonder if he realized the joke in the sample server message was about him... |
| 04:07.33 | CBG17 | bryjen: Was it really? You gave it to him? |
| 04:11.58 | bryjen | no... that's in the sample that comes with the source... so not about him specificly, but folks like him |
| 04:12.20 | CBG17 | I see. :) |
| 04:13.23 | BzFire | What does it say |
| 04:14.24 | bryjen | he was *reading* the sample instead of blindly using it, so that's +1 for him... |
| 04:14.47 | BzFire | oh lol |
| 04:16.06 | bryjen | ..but just asking here what to set everthing to instead of reading the manual |
| 04:17.28 | BzFire | Finding information can be pretty hard for setting up a server. But with having a sample config there are no excuses lol |
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| 10:33.05 | trepan | 362182 byte patch + new files, might as well wait until I hit a half-meg ;) |
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| 11:22.26 | |zongo| | hey all, i'm copiling latest cvs version under macosx 10.4.4 |
| 11:22.40 | |zongo| | just wanted to let u know that i get the following error: |
| 11:22.41 | |zongo| | /usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols: |
| 11:22.41 | |zongo| | _bzSignal |
| 11:22.41 | |zongo| | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 11:22.41 | |zongo| | make[2]: *** [bzfs] Error 1 |
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| 12:07.52 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/threshshadows.jpg , alphathresh'ed shadows |
| 12:12.32 | purple_cow | what's the framerate like on that? |
| 12:15.37 | trepan | 600fps |
| 12:18.02 | trepan | that shot is in stencil shadow mode, i draw a full screen blended rectangle against the stencil to avoid the texture colors |
| 12:19.18 | purple_cow | now i want soft shadows ;) |
| 12:19.44 | trepan | shadowmapped version could use PCF easily enough |
| 12:19.55 | trepan | haven't gotten back to it yet |
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| 12:43.31 | Deepa | :D |
| 12:56.13 | Deepa | i got an idea for a flag! |
| 12:56.14 | Deepa | hah |
| 12:56.18 | Deepa | where do i report it? |
| 12:56.45 | Deepa | ow anyways... i couldnt find it in the flaglist |
| 12:59.01 | Deepa | well ill just say it here... |
| 12:59.06 | Deepa | FLAMETHROWER!!!! |
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| 13:22.01 | ircleuser | hi |
| 13:22.35 | ircleuser | im having trouble running BZFlag 2.0.4 on my mac |
| 13:22.58 | ircleuser | it kinda crashes when i try to launch it normally |
| 13:23.20 | ircleuser | and when i launch it in a window, buttons dont do anything |
| 13:24.50 | ircleuser | deleting the config didnt help for they key problems either :/ |
| 13:24.59 | ircleuser | the* |
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| 13:36.18 | ircleuser | ah, theres a log that sais that it cant go full screen because theres a wrong memory allocation for opengl or something |
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| 13:39.10 | blast007 | ircleuser: try launching full screen, then pressing F1 |
| 13:39.33 | ircleuser | nah it crasher right away |
| 13:39.33 | blast007 | and does it 'crash', or just blank the screen out? |
| 13:39.48 | ircleuser | well the screen goes black then its crashes |
| 13:39.53 | blast007 | hmm |
| 13:39.53 | ircleuser | crashes* |
| 13:40.59 | |zongo| | ircleuser, have u had trouble playing before? |
| 13:41.22 | |zongo| | ircleuser, try to download a fresh version as well |
| 13:41.47 | ircleuser | well i just tried it for the first time |
| 13:41.52 | ircleuser | newest version |
| 13:42.00 | |zongo| | a similar thing it happened to me once |
| 13:42.20 | |zongo| | i redownloaded a version and went fine for some obscure reason |
| 13:42.21 | ircleuser | i would maybe prefer to play it in window mode anyway but the keys dont work |
| 13:42.42 | ircleuser | when i tried to launch it in a window through console |
| 13:42.51 | |zongo| | hmmm mouse works fine in windowed |
| 13:43.24 | ircleuser | mouse? well that didnt do anything either, i think |
| 13:43.27 | ircleuser | ill try again |
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| 13:48.45 | ircleuser | ok mouse doesent do anything |
| 13:48.59 | ircleuser | is there a setting in the preference file to start in windowed mode? |
| 13:49.04 | ircleuser | that could fix it for me |
| 13:49.12 | ircleuser | i can see its in a pretty basic format |
| 13:50.47 | Thumper_ | ircleuser: try bzflag -window |
| 13:51.12 | ircleuser | well i did that but arrow keys or mouse dont do anything in the game then |
| 13:51.28 | blast007 | yeah...input gets send to the terminal :/ |
| 13:51.38 | ircleuser | damn |
| 13:51.54 | ircleuser | so its just a problem with the fullscreen then |
| 13:52.07 | ircleuser | if ionly i could start it in a window |
| 13:52.12 | blast007 | likely using too high a resolution, and it's running out of memory |
| 13:52.31 | ircleuser | the game or the screen? |
| 13:52.45 | blast007 | the game |
| 13:52.54 | blast007 | video memory, that is |
| 13:52.58 | ircleuser | can you change the resolution in preferences? |
| 13:53.08 | ircleuser | ill give u the log again |
| 13:53.21 | ircleuser | Could not set Video Mode: Error setting OpenGL fullscreen: invalid memory allocation. |
| 13:54.50 | ircleuser | meh i cant find a resolution setting in the prefs file |
| 13:58.53 | ircleuser | meh i cant find a resolution setting in the prefs file |
| 14:00.42 | ircleuser | damn i give up¨ |
| 14:00.58 | ircleuser | could the problem be my video card or something? |
| 14:01.11 | blast007 | what card is this? a rage128? |
| 14:01.40 | ircleuser | 128 pro :p |
| 14:01.49 | ircleuser | there been problems with that card? |
| 14:01.52 | blast007 | hehe, and ick ;) |
| 14:01.56 | blast007 | yeah |
| 14:02.10 | ircleuser | k so thats the problem |
| 14:02.14 | blast007 | it barely has enough memory for 640x480, from this post I'm reading |
| 14:02.29 | blast007 | but try adding this to the end of your config: |
| 14:02.32 | blast007 | set resolution "640x480 " |
| 14:02.42 | ircleuser | to the end? |
| 14:02.47 | blast007 | yeah |
| 14:02.49 | ircleuser | without starting with #? |
| 14:03.15 | blast007 | or if you can fine the existing resolution value, replace that line |
| 14:03.39 | ircleuser | well i couldnt find that |
| 14:03.50 | ircleuser | you sure it doesent start with an #? |
| 14:03.58 | ircleuser | well ill try it anyway |
| 14:04.17 | blast007 | if it started with a #, it would have no effect |
| 14:04.23 | blast007 | since it would be commented out |
| 14:04.28 | blast007 | so no, don't put a # |
| 14:06.46 | ircleuser | ok ut dudbt wirj |
| 14:06.51 | ircleuser | lol woops |
| 14:06.54 | ircleuser | it didnt work |
| 14:08.45 | ircleuser | oh well seems i just need a new card |
| 14:08.49 | blast007 | k, not sure what else to try :) |
| 14:09.39 | Aerock | what if i put set ''windowed'' in it or something? |
| 14:09.55 | blast007 | windowed is only command line |
| 14:10.10 | Aerock | k |
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| 15:12.40 | brlcad | a noble effort blast007 |
| 15:13.03 | brlcad | i suspect he didn't remove the old resolution line, or added the new one wrong |
| 15:13.11 | brlcad | that was the fix |
| 15:13.21 | blast007 | :) |
| 15:13.47 | brlcad | or to build from current cvs with a newer version of sdl that fixes the windowed mode |
| 15:14.14 | brlcad | stupid old crappy video cards |
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| 18:46.35 | amcnabb | I've been looking at how to make SceneRenderer work in a headless environment similarly to how I made a NullDisplay/NullWindow. |
| 18:46.52 | amcnabb | Is this a good place/time to mention what I've been thinking, or should I post to bzflag-dev? |
| 18:47.05 | JeffM2501 | this is more active then the mailing list :) |
| 18:47.44 | JeffM2501 | you looking to do headless clients for stuff like bots? |
| 18:48.06 | amcnabb | Yep. |
| 18:48.13 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:48.31 | JeffM2501 | I've been working on hooking up the API so that the server can do bots with out a client :) |
| 18:48.35 | brlcad | amcnabb: yeah, the list gets tiresome after a while :) |
| 18:48.38 | brlcad | not really efficient |
| 18:48.49 | brlcad | patch looked good |
| 18:48.56 | amcnabb | Thanks. I appreciate that. |
| 18:49.17 | amcnabb | With NullDisplay and NullWindow, I was extending BzfDisplay and BzfWindow respectively. |
| 18:49.25 | JeffM2501 | makes sense |
| 18:49.29 | amcnabb | Those two classes are already extended in 5 or so different ways. |
| 18:49.41 | brlcad | one for each platform |
| 18:49.47 | amcnabb | With SceneRenderer, it seems less likely to have a bunch of different types. |
| 18:50.09 | brlcad | sure, opengl is the "common platform" for scenerenderer |
| 18:50.11 | amcnabb | I toyed with having a virtual SceneRenderer, and then a GLSceneRenderer and NullSceneRenderer, but it seemed like overkill. |
| 18:50.37 | brlcad | so making something that doesn't have opengl would be the "first".. direct x could have been another, for example |
| 18:50.51 | amcnabb | So, right now I'm planning on leaving SceneRenderer as is, except making it extendible, so that we can have NullSceneRenderer inherit from it. |
| 18:51.12 | JeffM2501 | if your going to do that brlcad why not just change it a 3rd party engine? |
| 18:51.14 | brlcad | actually a virtual SceneRenderer probably wouldn't be overkill imo, it's only a base class and the two variants |
| 18:51.38 | JeffM2501 | and let the engine handle the graphics API |
| 18:52.00 | brlcad | JeffM2501: for what he's doing, it wouldn't help him -- he's ripping it out |
| 18:52.16 | brlcad | basically just renaming the scenerenderer and giving it a virtual parent |
| 18:52.24 | JeffM2501 | that has nubs |
| 18:52.27 | JeffM2501 | I get it |
| 18:52.28 | brlcad | s/the/the current/ |
| 18:52.42 | amcnabb | SceneRenderer seems pretty implementation-specific. |
| 18:52.43 | JeffM2501 | personaly I prefer the bots on server method |
| 18:52.50 | JeffM2501 | but he'll probably finish before I do :) |
| 18:53.16 | amcnabb | It really works better for us if it's on the client side. |
| 18:53.22 | brlcad | both would be good to have |
| 18:53.27 | amcnabb | Yeah. |
| 18:53.41 | JeffM2501 | the only reason it works better for you now, is because the client has what you need |
| 18:53.47 | JeffM2501 | the server also needs that stuff for other things |
| 18:54.03 | amcnabb | What do you mean exactly? |
| 18:54.04 | JeffM2501 | so once it has it, then it becomes easyer to have them on the server |
| 18:54.10 | JeffM2501 | the colision stuff |
| 18:54.14 | JeffM2501 | the "rules" of the game |
| 18:54.19 | JeffM2501 | shot strat |
| 18:54.22 | JeffM2501 | that kinda stuff |
| 18:54.24 | amcnabb | That's a big part of it, but it goes farther than that. |
| 18:54.46 | amcnabb | We have students design bots to learn AI concepts, and the teams play against each other. |
| 18:54.46 | brlcad | it'd still be useful from an AI perspective for it to be as much like a real client as possible |
| 18:54.48 | JeffM2501 | it all depends on your goal for the bot |
| 18:54.56 | amcnabb | It's really nice to have it so the clients can connect to different servers. |
| 18:55.01 | brlcad | instead of being the omniscient bots you find in other games that know too mcuh |
| 18:55.03 | JeffM2501 | yes for that use, I agree on the client |
| 18:55.07 | amcnabb | Yeah. |
| 18:55.18 | JeffM2501 | my use is for real playable bots to fill in a server |
| 18:55.22 | JeffM2501 | like UT does |
| 18:55.29 | brlcad | so even with the logic moved server-side, they can't use it internally to decide |
| 18:55.29 | JeffM2501 | those are beter served on the server I feel |
| 18:55.30 | amcnabb | That would definitely make sense to be server-side. |
| 18:55.37 | amcnabb | I agree completely. |
| 18:55.53 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm making the server side bots plugins, so you CAN make them fight each other :) |
| 18:55.54 | amcnabb | So, anyway, I'm definitely focused on changing the client. |
| 18:55.59 | JeffM2501 | each student makes a plugin :) |
| 18:56.08 | JeffM2501 | just difrent ways of doing it all |
| 18:56.10 | amcnabb | yep |
| 18:56.23 | amcnabb | It's nice to have them on different machines, though. |
| 18:56.24 | JeffM2501 | the API makes it nice that it's protcoll independent, tha'ts what I like about it |
| 18:57.00 | amcnabb | And I know someone who wants to make it so you can have a team, where all of the bots are controlled by ROGER except the one you're currently controlling. |
| 18:57.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah if your AI gets CPU intesive then having it on another machine would be nice |
| 18:57.55 | amcnabb | yeah |
| 18:58.02 | brlcad | "ROGER" is simply a couple decision if-statements |
| 18:58.06 | brlcad | that can be put anywhere |
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| 18:59.08 | amcnabb | I meant--any bot. |
| 18:59.23 | amcnabb | You can have various bots controlling your team. |
| 18:59.23 | Alex135 | i have a problum... my server quits out when i press F12 in game when im on my server |
| 18:59.43 | brlcad | amcnabb: have you seen the bzbot tasker entry? |
| 18:59.43 | blast007 | Alex135: are you starting the server from inside the client, using the Start Server menu? |
| 18:59.51 | Alex135 | no im not |
| 18:59.56 | brlcad | we're just about at the point where bzbot can come to life |
| 18:59.57 | Alex135 | im using bzfs |
| 18:59.59 | blast007 | hmm |
| 19:00.02 | JeffM2501 | did you use -g in your config? |
| 19:00.09 | Alex135 | umm... let me check |
| 19:00.13 | Alex135 | yes |
| 19:00.23 | JeffM2501 | that quits the game when it has no players IIRC |
| 19:00.33 | Alex135 | ohhhh |
| 19:00.40 | Alex135 | thx jeff |
| 19:00.40 | JeffM2501 | so it's doing just what you told it to do |
| 19:00.47 | amcnabb | brlcad, haven't heard of bzbot. |
| 19:00.54 | Alex135 | ok lol i didnt know i could be so stupid :P |
| 19:01.09 | Alex135 | anyway thx |
| 19:01.38 | Alex135 | lol |
| 19:02.00 | Alex135 | bye Jeff, and thx |
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| 19:02.42 | Alex135 | wops forgot 1 more thing |
| 19:03.04 | amcnabb | So, anyway, does it make sense to have NullSceneRenderer extend the current SceneRenderer? |
| 19:03.07 | Alex135 | my server stoped loging a while ago... it dont log the chat files anymore... anyidah why? |
| 19:03.34 | Alex135 | ideah* |
| 19:03.52 | JeffM2501 | how many -d do you have? |
| 19:03.56 | Alex135 | 3 |
| 19:04.02 | JeffM2501 | and it's idea :) |
| 19:04.04 | JeffM2501 | no H |
| 19:04.10 | JeffM2501 | unless your from the south |
| 19:04.24 | JeffM2501 | 3 should dump chat to the terminal IIRC |
| 19:04.29 | JeffM2501 | your you piping to a file? |
| 19:04.44 | Alex135 | im piping to a file... |
| 19:05.00 | JeffM2501 | if you don't pipe to a file do you see the chat in the terminal? |
| 19:05.08 | Alex135 | no |
| 19:05.17 | JeffM2501 | make sure you have 3 ds |
| 19:05.29 | Alex135 | i have -ddd |
| 19:05.46 | brlcad | amcnabb: a virtual base would make more sense to me, but you could override as well |
| 19:05.49 | JeffM2501 | try em seperate |
| 19:05.52 | Tupone | hmm dunno why I think bots pluginned will imply threads :/ |
| 19:05.55 | Alex135 | ok hld on... |
| 19:06.05 | brlcad | the virtual base makes more sense simply because you're going to need to override almost everything |
| 19:06.14 | brlcad | when you do that, a virtual base usually makes more sense |
| 19:06.17 | amcnabb | blcad: okay, I'll plan on doing that, then. |
| 19:06.19 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, they can, but they don't have to |
| 19:06.38 | JeffM2501 | will all be up to the pluing dev |
| 19:07.09 | Tupone | hmm, I have to think more about it, if server can answer request while processing bots movement :/ |
| 19:07.25 | amcnabb | Also, there are some SceneRenderer methods that return stuff like a BackgroundRenderer and a SceneDatabase. Will we have to make null versions of each of these, too? |
| 19:07.32 | JeffM2501 | depends how long it takes |
| 19:07.43 | JeffM2501 | right now it all happens in the idle time loop |
| 19:07.44 | Alex135 | JeffM2501: it works, thx :) |
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| 19:08.29 | JeffM2501 | if your bot takes too long then yes you'll want to do a thread, and you can |
| 19:08.32 | Tupone | well, you know, just dropping things out of my head |
| 19:08.35 | JeffM2501 | but I'm not going to force them to do so |
| 19:08.40 | brlcad | amcnabb: possibly, or return null versions of those and fix the code that might rely on them being non-null currently |
| 19:08.41 | JeffM2501 | it's a good concern |
| 19:09.20 | JeffM2501 | and the odds of me finishing it all are well "iffy" |
| 19:09.23 | orange | once a person has obtained a privilege from being a member of one global group, is it possible to strip it away from them in another global group? For example, if they get TALK from registered, can you take talk away if they're a member of another group. I tried OTHERGROUP: -TALK but that didn't work |
| 19:09.31 | Tupone | The problem is that bzfs is noy thread-safe |
| 19:09.33 | amcnabb | brlcad: okay, I'll look into how extensively they're used (i.e. how hard it would be to allow them to be NULL) |
| 19:09.41 | Tupone | s/y/t/ |
| 19:09.47 | brlcad | shouldn't be too hard |
| 19:09.58 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, true, but since it all has to go thru the API, we can make the API functions be smart |
| 19:10.12 | JeffM2501 | it'll take testing of course |
| 19:10.18 | JeffM2501 | and like I say, if I finish |
| 19:10.26 | brad2901 | orange: tried !talk ? |
| 19:10.38 | Tupone | I wish we could multi-thread things |
| 19:10.39 | orange | oooh, no |
| 19:11.02 | blast007 | Tupone: yeah, lots of ways that could be useful |
| 19:11.34 | blast007 | run cheat detection in a seperate thread, so it could be more complex without really affecting network data :) |
| 19:11.36 | Tupone | Well, for now the directive is "no no" :) |
| 19:12.21 | orange | ~brad2901++ |
| 19:12.27 | brad2901 | :P |
| 19:12.39 | JeffM2501 | blast007, you don't even know if it's a slow down now :) |
| 19:12.46 | JeffM2501 | don't solve problems that don't exist |
| 19:12.56 | blast007 | it really isn't a slow down |
| 19:13.06 | blast007 | I'm running a server on my P133 :P |
| 19:13.16 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 19:13.18 | blast007 | and there truely isn't much that it checks |
| 19:13.30 | JeffM2501 | I don't think real checks will use much CPU at all |
| 19:13.44 | JeffM2501 | just like a real state won't use anything signifigant |
| 19:13.49 | Tupone | some processing does, like spawing |
| 19:13.51 | blast007 | suppose it depends on the complexity of the world |
| 19:14.01 | Tupone | spawning even |
| 19:14.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah spawning is intensive, as it has to search the entire world |
| 19:14.14 | brlcad | message filtering in a separate thread would be nice, so you could mitigate the regex parsing expense over many cycles |
| 19:14.15 | JeffM2501 | but even then it's working fine |
| 19:14.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah regex is nasty |
| 19:14.35 | brlcad | it's not bad now, but it would let you use bigger filters more easily |
| 19:14.45 | JeffM2501 | I've seen some huge filters |
| 19:14.46 | brlcad | and prioritize it low |
| 19:14.54 | JeffM2501 | SP runs a big ass one |
| 19:15.38 | brlcad | i got cpu utilization way way down, but it's still an order of magnitude more than idle loop processing of network packets |
| 19:15.46 | brlcad | and the net packet processing is more important |
| 19:15.55 | brlcad | it'd be nice to decouple |
| 19:19.26 | JeffM2501 | just re-implement it all in neverx and make it MMO style :) |
| 19:20.38 | brlcad | neverx? |
| 19:20.45 | JeffM2501 | neverax |
| 19:20.55 | JeffM2501 | open source game engine thingy for MMO style stuff |
| 19:21.05 | JeffM2501 | does graphics, net, user db, all that stuff |
| 19:21.13 | brlcad | isn't that a company? |
| 19:21.15 | brlcad | ahh |
| 19:21.17 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 19:21.22 | JeffM2501 | they released the engine open |
| 19:21.33 | JeffM2501 | was used in "saga or ryzom" |
| 19:21.42 | JeffM2501 | it uses multiple apps for a server |
| 19:21.56 | JeffM2501 | login, userdb, world, transaction, AI, etc... |
| 19:22.52 | JeffM2501 | ugg is Iced Tea acidic? |
| 19:25.53 | findlay | amonium hydroxide is not acidic |
| 19:27.08 | findlay | if you can get past the smell |
| 19:27.22 | findlay | ~lart me |
| 19:28.11 | Aribeth | it can be |
| 19:28.30 | Aribeth | ummm acidic beverages |
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| 19:56.49 | Aribeth | awwww |
| 19:58.10 | brlcad | JeffM2501: i get that, helps to put the fire out with vodka |
| 19:58.37 | Aribeth | eek |
| 19:58.38 | brlcad | or lots of calcium if that doesn't help :) |
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| 20:38.12 | BzFire | will having alot of servers running eventually cause jitter problems ? |
| 20:39.17 | BzFire | I mean in relation to the computer power not the internet speed |
| 20:39.52 | brad2901 | ask Thumper_ :) -- he runs the norang.ca servers |
| 20:40.04 | BzFire | I see alot of them lol |
| 20:40.37 | ToughShooter | brad2901: heh |
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| 21:35.45 | Shadow | hey anyone see meteorite? |
| 21:36.21 | Shadow | ??? |
| 21:36.35 | JeffM2501 | he' dosn't apear to be in this chanel |
| 21:36.41 | Shadow | oh ok |
| 21:36.46 | zee092 | anyone knows how I can join with a random irc login? |
| 21:36.50 | zee092 | pls pm me :) |
| 21:36.55 | Shadow | well thanks for pm about local groups jeffm |
| 21:37.06 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 21:37.33 | Shadow | is this how you do that? |
| 21:37.36 | Shadow | nnope |
| 21:37.56 | Shadow | yay |
| 21:38.14 | Shadow | nits /me |
| 21:38.34 | JeffM2501 | we know |
| 21:39.31 | Shadow | oops |
| 21:39.38 | Shadow | i had an e there |
| 21:39.43 | Shadow | nlol |
| 21:39.51 | Shadow | crap i keep hitting n |
| 21:39.57 | JeffM2501 | why would you want to faike out quiting |
| 21:39.57 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:40.02 | Shadow | funny |
| 21:40.08 | Shadow | i do it on bzflag too |
| 21:40.23 | JeffM2501 | no... no it's not |
| 21:40.30 | Shadow | well sry |
| 21:40.40 | Shadow | gotta go cya |
| 21:41.13 | CBG | *sigh* Kids these days.... |
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| 21:42.19 | romfis | HI |
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| 21:47.55 | CBG | hey romfis |
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| 22:15.59 | slon02 | jeff! |
| 22:16.33 | slon02 | jeff?- you there? |
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| 22:17.14 | slon02 | jeff |
| 22:17.39 | slon02 | grrrrr |
| 22:17.59 | slon02 | ... |
| 22:18.10 | TD-Linux | what might the problem be? |
| 22:18.31 | TD-Linux | too late... |
| 22:18.43 | menotume | the problem seems to be backspace |
| 22:19.28 | TD-Linux | strange... all of a sudden, cvs decides to hang and hog my bandwidth |
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