irclog2html for #bzflag on 20060131

`00:01.26`	`menotume`	`daemon ?`
`00:04.25`	`brad2901`	`# This is a simple script that starts bzfs in the background and redirects`
`00:04.25`	`brad2901`	`# the output to a file. It could be useful together with the initscript.`
`00:04.41`	`brad2901`	`/misc/bzfsd`
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`00:11.18`	`Guest096`	`noluyor lan burada`
`00:11.36`	`Guest096`	`dagilin ulannnn`
`00:12.13`	`brad2901`	`hello?`
`00:15.17`	`menotume`	`let me guess: bzfs .... >> logfile & ?`
`00:16.07`	`menotume`	`bzfs $* >> logfile &`
`00:16.18`	`brad2901`	`don't be silly, it's much more complicated`
`00:16.20`	`brad2901`	`BZLOGFILE=/tmp/bzfs.log`
`00:16.20`	`brad2901`	`nohup /usr/local/bin/bzfs $* > $BZLOGFILE &`
`00:16.27`	`menotume`	`heh`
`00:19.02`	`menotume`	`well, that seems like a daemon, whay not bzfsD ?`
`00:19.37`	`menotume`	`nvm - i dunno which way it was changed`
`00:20.11`	`brad2901`	`it's bzfsd for me`
`00:23.09`	`CIA-16`	`opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/data/model/ (27 files in 3 dirs): can't have just one model, that woudl be wrong`
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`00:34.33`	`CIA-16`	`opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/client/src/ (menuBackground.cpp simpleGame.cpp): comonize the model code so that more then just one "tank" model can be used.`
`00:42.20`	`brlcad`	`that's a script you'd toss into some place like /etc/init.d so you could /etc/init.d/bzfs start/stop/restart, etc`
`00:42.44`	`brlcad`	`the "daemon" in question is the bzfs binary`
`00:43.10`	`brlcad`	`the script was invoking bzfsd, which presumed the user would rename bzfs to bzfsd -- simply made it be what we build`
`00:50.17`	`*** join/#bzflag Legoguy (n=Legoguy@adsl-70-232-171-22.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net)`
`00:53.08`	`CIA-16`	`opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/ (9 files in 2 dirs): because screamer pods make cooler mini tanks`
`00:58.40`	`JeffM2501`	`better or worse ? http://beta.bzflag.bz/mks.png`
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`01:00.14`	`CIA-16`	`opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/client/src/ (menuBackground.cpp simpleGameDrawing.cpp): don't draw more parts then you have`
`01:06.48`	`CIA-16`	`opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/client/ (inc/menuBackground.h src/menuBackground.cpp src/menus.cpp): let the config overrid the menu mini tank model ( default to the ico-tank )`
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`01:47.33`	`Thumper_`	`menotume: thanks for making the nagware plugin - works great`
`01:48.00`	`Thumper_`	`68 new reg users in the past 32 hrs`
`01:50.10`	`JeffM2501`	`just on your server? or you mean "en toto" ?`
`01:50.27`	`Thumper_`	`looking at reg count at the forum`
`01:50.35`	`Thumper_`	`it was 4800 yesterday at 12:30 EST`
`01:50.43`	`JeffM2501`	`figure a goodly number of them are spam accounts`
`01:50.55`	`Thumper_`	`lasermania is running out of anon players`
`01:51.21`	`JeffM2501`	`looks like much of it is people reging more then one name`
`01:51.43`	`Thumper_`	`ok... lasermania has 20 of 22 reg players recently`
`01:52.01`	`Thumper_`	`that's hasn't been the norm`
`01:52.03`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: mail/`
`01:52.10`	`JeffM2501`	`mail`
`01:52.14`	`brlcad`	`oh, the commits?`
`01:52.18`	`JeffM2501`	`:)`
`01:52.21`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`01:52.22`	`Thumper_`	`brlcad: /me keeps all your mail ;)`
`01:52.36`	`JeffM2501`	`I realy should do digest`
`01:53.03`	`brlcad`	`had me almost panic there for a second, I've been testing various mail settings at work, ssl/non-ssl/authd/non-authd`
`01:53.33`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`01:54.07`	`JeffM2501`	`Thumper_, just so you know, I estimate that in any one day, about 1/2 of the new reg names never get activated`
`01:54.19`	`brlcad`	`as for "better or worse", it's neither.. just different`
`01:54.49`	`brlcad`	`personally like the tank model more, but if those babies had some particle exhaust coming out of them, i'd like them just as much or more :)`
`01:55.05`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`01:55.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I think the tank model needs some small tweaks`
`01:55.37`	`JeffM2501`	`like a better defined gun and treads`
`01:56.21`	`JeffM2501`	`I did buy a bunch of vehicle models from turbosquid`
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`01:58.50`	`brlcad`	`i have a relatively simple humvee model somewhere that you could probably use`
`01:58.55`	`JeffM2501`	`http://beta.bzflag.bz/vehicles/`
`01:59.04`	`brlcad`	`though not sure how useful it'd be for the game`
`01:59.12`	`Thumper_`	`JeffM2501: okay... at least _some_ of the players are registering on lasermania :D`
`01:59.14`	`JeffM2501`	`well as soon as tehy all upload :)`
`01:59.22`	`JeffM2501`	`Thumper_, that is god`
`01:59.24`	`JeffM2501`	`good`
`02:00.00`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`Just out of curiosity, why are you trying to get everyone to register?`
`02:00.27`	`JeffM2501`	`it lets them then go reg only to talk and stuff`
`02:00.41`	`JeffM2501`	`and prevents the random asshat from coming on to just make people mad`
`02:00.45`	`Thumper_`	`much easier to get rid of the cheaters and trolls`
`02:00.53`	`JeffM2501`	`since he'd have to go thru the reg process`
`02:01.01`	`JeffM2501`	`also lets them ban by ID, not IP`
`02:01.20`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`makes sense`
`02:01.28`	`Thumper_`	`and permanent mutes are possible`
`02:01.31`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, got this one`
`02:01.32`	`JeffM2501`	`http://beta.bzflag.bz/vehicles/hmmwv.jpg`
`02:01.36`	`JeffM2501`	`tho can't GPL it`
`02:02.18`	`Thumper_`	`hmm bumpy ride JeffM2501 ;)`
`02:02.45`	`JeffM2501`	`this would be smother`
`02:02.46`	`JeffM2501`	`http://beta.bzflag.bz/vehicles/Hovertank06.jpg`
`02:02.55`	`Thumper_`	`yup :D`
`02:03.04`	`Thumper_`	`or just rounding the tires a bit ;)`
`02:03.53`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`http://beta.bzflag.bz/vehicles/mars.jpg <--- this one frightens me`
`02:05.39`	`JeffM2501`	`everyone loves missiles :)`
`02:05.45`	`JeffM2501`	`they have some total crap textures tho`
`02:05.49`	`JeffM2501`	`they all came together`
`02:07.25`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`An idea... if you're remodelling the tank for the next release, is there any chance there'll be separate designs assigned to different flags? ie, a guy with GM won't look the same as a guy with laser.`
`02:08.27`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`(dunno how feasible this is, or if it's been considered already - it just hit me now after looking at some of the models there.)`
`02:12.31`	`JeffM2501`	`it's totaly feasable`
`02:12.35`	`JeffM2501`	`just noone has done the art :)`
`02:13.04`	`JeffM2501`	`I wanted to let people have custom tanks made out of a defined set of parts`
`02:13.09`	`JeffM2501`	`constriction set style`
`02:13.19`	`JeffM2501`	`then each weapon flag would change the barell`
`02:13.24`	`JeffM2501`	`or something like that`
`02:13.44`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`hmmm`
`02:14.02`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`I should try playing around with a modeller during my spring break...`
`02:14.04`	`JeffM2501`	`or like if you got wings, it could put wings on the tank`
`02:14.22`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`angel wings :o`
`02:14.27`	`JeffM2501`	`basicly pick your treads, pick your body, pick your turret, add some accessories. stuff like that`
`02:14.50`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: got this one, though i don't think you could gpl it either`
`02:14.51`	`JeffM2501`	`the like left turn could damage the treads the right side or soemthing like that`
`02:14.53`	`brlcad`	`http://brlcad.org/images/humvee.png`
`02:15.10`	`JeffM2501`	`leeeeeetttttlle higher on the poly count :0`
`02:15.16`	`menotume`	`Thumper_: you're welcome :)`
`02:15.18`	`brlcad`	`and you'd have to do some poly reduction, but I have/had a model at around 1k`
`02:15.19`	`JeffM2501`	`but very nice radiosity`
`02:15.24`	`Thumper_`	`:D`
`02:16.12`	`brlcad`	`actually path-traced, not radiosity, but same difference ;)`
`02:16.43`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`02:16.56`	`JeffM2501`	`it's got bouncy light`
`02:17.00`	`JeffM2501`	`that's what matters`
`02:17.35`	`JeffM2501`	`the models I have only cost 10$`
`02:17.40`	`JeffM2501`	`a deal for even placeholders`
`02:18.43`	`JeffM2501`	`Thumper_, I do think the name "efdcdcvsdvfsvsddc" will not make it to activation ;)`
`02:19.58`	`JeffM2501`	`and ... I'm spent`
`02:20.49`	`Thumper_`	`heh`
`02:20.51`	`Thumper_`	`guess not`
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`02:24.19`	`orange_away`	`that's a nice model, brlcad`
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`02:59.04`	`kamekaze`	`Hi`
`02:59.23`	`brlcad`	`hello`
`02:59.26`	`lan56`	`hey`
`02:59.40`	`kamekaze`	`I need some help with joystick under linux W bzflag`
`03:00.17`	`lan56`	`ok thats nice`
`03:00.25`	`lan56`	`jk tell us your problems`
`03:00.38`	`kamekaze`	`I could not fire with a wingman cordless rumblepad`
`03:00.49`	`kamekaze`	`only X and Y`
`03:01.53`	`kamekaze`	`the A and B button work under test software but not with bzflag`
`03:03.49`	`JBdiGriz`	`Did you map the keys to the buttons?`
`03:04.18`	`kamekaze`	`probably not how do you do that?`
`03:05.05`	`JBdiGriz`	`Options->Input Menu->Change Key Mappings`
`03:05.43`	`kamekaze`	`ok but it's not only for the keyboard setup?`
`03:07.00`	`kamekaze`	`How can I map the A button?`
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`03:08.48`	`lan56`	`select the action in that menu that you want the 'a' button for, and I suppose press that 'a' button`
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`03:10.18`	`erik-k`	`Anyone at their terminals?`
`03:10.26`	`JBdiGriz`	`No`
`03:10.31`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`uh sure`
`03:10.32`	`erik-k`	`Oh, darn it...`
`03:10.34`	`erik-k`	`:)`
`03:10.43`	`erik-k`	`I need someone to check my site for me...`
`03:10.55`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`Check in what way?`
`03:10.59`	`erik-k`	`Tell me if they get a website or a stupid modem login screen`
`03:11.08`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`k`
`03:11.09`	`erik-k`	`ejksdesktop.homelinux.com`
`03:11.11`	`JBdiGriz`	`?`
`03:11.40`	`erik-k`	`Qwest uses PPPoA rather than PPPoE, so I have to use the blasted modem as more than a dumb modem`
`03:11.58`	`erik-k`	`By default, the thing doesn't let any incomin traffic in`
`03:12.19`	`erik-k`	`No...`
`03:12.23`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`I get nothing from that.`
`03:12.34`	`erik-k`	`No response?`
`03:12.38`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`nope`
`03:12.42`	`erik-k`	`feck`
`03:13.16`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`hehe`
`03:13.28`	`erik-k`	`Is it really so wrong for a modem to just BE A MODEM`
`03:13.40`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`nope, but I won't brag`
`03:13.42`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`...much`
`03:13.47`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`:)`
`03:14.03`	`erik-k`	`Rather than a modem, router, firewall, and massive annoyance, all at once?`
`03:14.47`	`erik-k`	`Wait, I see the problem`
`03:17.23`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`no`
`03:17.30`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`You should fight it Chuck Norris style.`
`03:18.24`	`erik-k`	`Oh god, no... I thought that stupid meme was only on Fark...`
`03:18.31`	`erik-k`	`aaaaaaaahhhh!`
`03:18.35`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`It is mostly on Fark.`
`03:18.48`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`That's where I got it.`
`03:19.02`	`erik-k`	`Okay, question...`
`03:19.09`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`^^`
`03:19.17`	`erik-k`	`This modem has pretty zip-squat-zero in terms of programs on it,...`
`03:19.31`	`erik-k`	`How can I make it change the destination of packets?`
`03:20.06`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`As in packets entering your network from the internet?`
`03:20.11`	`erik-k`	`Yes...`
`03:20.31`	`erik-k`	`They all come in looking for 67.* but I need them to look for 192.*`
`03:20.57`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`port forwarding is what I use on my Dlink... maybe something like that?`
`03:21.08`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`Actually, I don't use it.`
`03:21.12`	`erik-k`	`I've tried that, didn't want to work`
`03:21.16`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`But if I were to use it, that's what I would use.`
`03:21.25`	`erik-k`	`there is a way to defeat this, I will find it`
`03:21.44`	`erik-k`	`Change the IP of my server's NIC to my current IP?`
`03:21.59`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`I guess...`
`03:22.29`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`I'm not sure exactly what your 'modem' does, so I can't really say what will work. O_o`
`03:22.49`	`erik-k`	`This modem is pretty much it's own computer`
`03:23.02`	`erik-k`	`It's got a minimal installation of Linux on it`
`03:23.46`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`iptables?`
`03:24.02`	`erik-k`	`Yes`
`03:24.38`	`erik-k`	`iptables, route, telnetd, and maybe a few other things`
`03:25.03`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html#IPFILTERGENERALTERMS perhaps?`
`03:25.20`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`It might have something useful.`
`03:25.27`	`erik-k`	`I'll look through what iptables -h shows, see if that helps...`
`03:25.31`	`erik-k`	`then go to the 'Net`
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`03:26.10`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`k`
`03:26.29`	`erik-k`	`Wait, if it's using iptables, it must be kernel 2.4 or earlier, right?`
`03:28.53`	`erik-k`	`Ugh, this is horrible`
`03:31.06`	`erik-k`	`sigh`
`03:34.29`	`Legoguy`	`g++: @CONF_CPPFLAGS@: No such file or directory hrm, whats this`
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`03:41.45`	`erik-k`	`Okay, I tried something....`
`03:41.54`	`erik-k`	`can someone try to access ejksdesktop.homelinux.com?`
`03:42.03`	`erik-k`	`Tell me what shows up?`
`03:43.31`	`erik-k`	`Uhoh - I just screwed myself I think`
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`04:11.23`	`lan56`	`uggh I don't mind helping people, I am quite happy to do so, but I wish they would just read the readme first before they do anything, let alone make assumptions, even more let alone make actions based on those assumptions (which they would know are wrong if just they read the readme)`
`04:14.00`	`JeffM2501`	`humans can't read`
`04:14.59`	`lan56`	`true true`
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`04:57.11`	`FantasticFoo`	`i'm on mac os x, and bzflag crashed a couple times...`
`04:57.22`	`FantasticFoo`	`is there any way to abort the program`
`04:57.35`	`FantasticFoo`	`so i don't have to force-shutdown the comp every time this happens`
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`04:58.21`	`FantasticFoo`	`the whole computer doesn't crash. i mean, the mouse works and stuff, it's just that bzflag is unresponsive`
`05:00.00`	`brlcad`	`FantasticFoo: depends on how it crashes and why -- if you`
`05:00.19`	`FantasticFoo`	`brlcad, well, i better go now`
`05:00.23`	`FantasticFoo`	`alright.`
`05:00.25`	`FantasticFoo`	`good night.`
`05:00.26`	`brlcad`	`if you can't cmd-opt-esc, then the only resort is usually another machine`
`05:00.33`	`brlcad`	`remote logged in`
`05:00.36`	`FantasticFoo`	`OHH`
`05:00.39`	`FantasticFoo`	`so that's what it was`
`05:00.44`	`FantasticFoo`	`cmd-opt-esp`
`05:00.48`	`FantasticFoo`	`esc*`
`05:00.53`	`brlcad`	`might be able to avoid the crash altogether if you turn off lighting`
`05:01.12`	`a-delusionbzflag`	`i second that motion`
`05:01.15`	`FantasticFoo`	`i was frantically hitting shift-opt-esape, not remembering`
`05:01.35`	`FantasticFoo`	`and other key combos`
`05:01.45`	`FantasticFoo`	`i hope i didn't screw up anything with all of my random combos :)`
`05:01.47`	`FantasticFoo`	`alright.`
`05:01.52`	`brlcad`	`nah`
`05:01.55`	`FantasticFoo`	`i'll try that the next time it crashes.`
`05:01.55`	`FantasticFoo`	`bye`
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`08:19.41`	`LePoulpe303`	`hi all`
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`10:29.20`	`CIA-16`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Makefile.am: revert unintended changes, unbreak the branch`
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`12:33.39`	`LePoulpe303`	`hey`
`12:33.44`	`LePoulpe303`	`i'm alone on DUB`
`12:33.54`	`LePoulpe303`	`anyone wants to increase its stats ?`
`12:34.36`	`LePoulpe303`	`Blue_Eyes`
`12:34.38`	`LePoulpe303`	`?`
`12:38.10`	`LePoulpe303`	`ok sad :(`
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`13:53.25`	`conanhome`	`hey what's the plural of 'critique' ?`
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`14:28.36`	`eXtreme`	`what's with the unusually large amount of people using that CGI:IRC?`
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`15:06.12`	`horofido`	`gg`
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`15:38.07`	`BearPerson`	`micky32, Onemsiz1i: quit that, please`
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`15:39.39`	`Pimpi`	`psssssst, there he is`
`15:39.53`	`gsnedders`	`who, me? :o`
`15:40.04`	`Pimpi`	`;)`
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`15:49.05`	`Guest948`	`alo`
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`15:50.11`	`BenUrban`	`lotta connections from genesis.concept69.de's cgi::irc`
`15:50.30`	`BenUrban`	`shold we be worried?`
`15:50.45`	`BenUrban`	`or is it just a very popular site?`
`15:51.00`	`Birdie`	`or some one very bored who is doing all this`
`15:51.12`	`BenUrban`	`i don't think it's just one person`
`15:51.18`	`Pimpi`	it's strayers site, isn't it`
`15:51.31`	`BenUrban`	`certainly not just one ip`
`15:52.11`	`BenUrban`	`if it were one ip, i'd say they were testing their cgi::irc`
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`15:56.27`	`Guest379`	`yep, it is strayers site`
`15:57.00`	`Guest379`	`many reguar players use it`
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`15:58.39`	`BearPerson`	`BenUrban, I'm not sure, normally the ident is a hash of the IP of the user, but it might not be here`
`15:58.47`	`BearPerson`	`or they're using tor to access it`
`15:59.01`	`BenUrban`	`i thght it was the hex for of theip`
`15:59.02`	`BearPerson`	`definitely looks like someone not knowing what he's doing though`
`15:59.09`	`BearPerson`	`yes, it is`
`15:59.15`	`BearPerson`	`but it might not be for this one`
`15:59.18`	`BenUrban`	`hmm`
`16:00.17`	`Pimpi`	`ident is the user's ip in hex`
`16:00.49`	`_Manu_`	`hallo Pimpi, long time no see :)`
`16:01.07`	`Pimpi`	`busy as usual`
`16:01.16`	`_Manu_`	`like me :)`
`16:08.29`	`gsnedders`	`christ.`
`16:08.38`	`gsnedders`	`constant tking all around :(`
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`16:17.38`	`gsnedders`	`silent here....`
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`18:00.22`	`gsnedders`	`very silent`
`18:00.39`	`JeffM2501`	`like a calm before a storm?`
`18:00.43`	`JeffM2501`	`or like sunday morning?`
`18:01.21`	`gsnedders`	`hmmm`
`18:01.25`	`gsnedders`	`i'm not really sure`
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`18:01.42`	`bz8439`	`hello`
`18:02.10`	`bz8439`	`is anyone here ?`
`18:02.20`	`gsnedders`	`we're talking about how silent it is`
`18:02.28`	`bz8439`	`oh, cool`
`18:03.05`	`gsnedders`	`been better :P`
`18:03.10`	`bz8439`	`but, silence isn't fun`
`18:03.37`	`BearPerson`	`enjoy the silence ;-)`
`18:03.52`	`bz8439`	`but ...`
`18:04.17`	`gsnedders`	`BearPerson, who said caleb was fun? :)`
`18:04.26`	`BearPerson`	`:)`
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`18:07.03`	`menotume`	`i'm just waiting here for bz8440`
`18:07.26`	`menotume`	`ooops - ww !`
`18:07.27`	`gsnedders`	`:)`
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`18:07.49`	`menotume`	`:)`
`18:08.16`	`menotume`	`bz8439 - go away !`
`18:08.18`	`bz8439`	`ok`
`18:08.24`	`menotume`	`hehe`
`18:09.13`	`Erroneous`	`You know, you really shouldn't engage in sock puppetry`
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`18:09.22`	`menotume`	`lol`
`18:09.24`	`DTRemenak_Srv`	`yeah, it's a waste of space`
`18:09.25`	`_Manu_`	`heh`
`18:09.42`	`Erroneous`	`I hear ya DTRemenak_Srv`
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`18:10.29`	`DTRemenak_Srv`	`sadly I'm really bad at having a conversation with myself :S`
`18:10.52`	`Erroneous`	`well, I'm really bad at having a conversation at all, so you've got one up on me.`
`18:13.37`	`brlcad`	`BearPerson: what's up?`
`18:14.00`	`BearPerson`	`was just wondering about all the cgi:irc'ers`
`18:14.17`	`BearPerson`	`since they're often times not making a lot of sense`
`18:14.22`	`BearPerson`	`(1138731027 19:10) < obirserdar~> !join blue`
`18:14.23`	`menotume`	`i know who one of them was :P`
`18:14.33`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah I'm prety sure I know who the CGIers are`
`18:15.02`	`_Manu_`	`I also know one of them :-p`
`18:15.26`	`brlcad`	`not really disruptive`
`18:15.33`	`brlcad`	`only mildly annoying too :)`
`18:15.50`	`JeffM2501`	`I think it's mostly bored poles`
`18:16.28`	`JeffM2501`	`damn is that display Orchid has nice`
`18:16.31`	`brlcad`	`doesn't seem to be intentional, just obvious reconnects when it gets quiet`
`18:17.42`	`brlcad`	`the dell one?`
`18:17.45`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`18:17.54`	`JeffM2501`	`methiniks I'm gonn have to get me one of them`
`18:17.54`	`brlcad`	`yeah`
`18:18.00`	`JeffM2501`	`we have one here now`
`18:18.09`	`JeffM2501`	`it's purdy`
`18:18.25`	`brlcad`	`yep, have lots of em here`
`18:18.29`	`JeffM2501`	`can get em at costco for like 875`
`18:18.38`	`brlcad`	`not quite as nice as the 30"ers, but nice`
`18:18.50`	`JeffM2501`	`30 needs dual DVI right?`
`18:19.00`	`brlcad`	`yeah`
`18:19.03`	`JBdiGriz`	`I was able to get the 20" Dell for ~600 from Dell`
`18:19.08`	`gsnedders`	`dual link DVI`
`18:19.09`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm not sure how dual DVI and SLI work together`
`18:19.13`	`gsnedders`	`not just dual dvi`
`18:19.24`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah dual link`
`18:19.32`	`brlcad`	`yep, though you can get a dual link card for like 150`
`18:19.35`	`gsnedders`	`(yes, i'm sitting in front of a apple 30")`
`18:19.54`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll be geting a 7800GTX`
`18:19.59`	`JeffM2501`	`and eventualy 2 of them`
`18:20.00`	`gsnedders`	`as for dual link DVI and SLI, why should it make any difference?`
`18:20.03`	`brlcad`	`a dual link 6600 will even do iirc`
`18:20.05`	`JeffM2501`	`so the 24 is probably fine`
`18:20.29`	`gsnedders`	`just using a dual link cable plugged in, not a single link one`
`18:20.36`	`JeffM2501`	`and maybe the case of penultimate justice`
`18:21.12`	`gsnedders`	`the vertical space of the 30" is worth it.`
`18:21.53`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm not sure how will dual link and SLI work together`
`18:21.59`	`JeffM2501`	`it's also an assload of cash`
`18:22.08`	`gsnedders`	`i see no reason for it not to work`
`18:22.19`	`gsnedders`	`why should it be any different from single link`
`18:22.28`	`JeffM2501`	`cus SLI is picky :)`
`18:22.31`	`JeffM2501`	`mega picky`
`18:22.44`	`JeffM2501`	`and not sure if my cards are ven dual link`
`18:23.02`	`JeffM2501`	`I have no real choice on the cards I get`
`18:23.02`	`gsnedders`	`the 7800s are`
`18:23.18`	`JeffM2501`	`and how much does one of those 30 inchers cost?`
`18:24.13`	`gsnedders`	`less than why i got mine.`
`18:24.15`	`gsnedders`	`*when`
`18:24.55`	`JeffM2501`	`from what I've seen the quality on the apple 23 is the same as the dell 24`
`18:25.05`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd not be suprised if they were made by the same place`
`18:25.06`	`gsnedders`	`same LCD panel`
`18:25.11`	`gsnedders`	`just a different backlight`
`18:25.15`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh`
`18:25.18`	`gsnedders`	`LG LCD panel, IIRC`
`18:25.23`	`gsnedders`	`same with the 20"s`
`18:25.28`	`gsnedders`	`and the 30"`
`18:25.34`	`gsnedders`	`they all use different backlights`
`18:25.45`	`JeffM2501`	`I can't justtify 2.5 grand on a display`
`18:25.47`	`gsnedders`	`the apple ones only have DVI-D`
`18:25.55`	`JeffM2501`	`oh, only one input`
`18:25.57`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah right out then`
`18:26.07`	`JeffM2501`	`the dell has 2 and I plan on using both`
`18:26.18`	`gsnedders`	`and have firewire 400 and usb 2.0 hubs built in`
`18:26.19`	`JeffM2501`	`then I'll be able to swap between mac and PC on the same display`
`18:26.27`	`JeffM2501`	`the dell has usb and a card reader`
`18:26.41`	`JeffM2501`	`sounds very similar`
`18:26.43`	`gsnedders`	`but the apple ones, unlike the dell ones, have no exast fans`
`18:27.00`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll have to see how loud the one here is`
`18:27.02`	`gsnedders`	`they're completely inclosed`
`18:27.23`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah but it's like 400$ more for that`
`18:27.35`	`gsnedders`	`true :P`
`18:27.47`	`gsnedders`	`when i got this, there was only one 30" on the market.`
`18:36.03`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`18:36.12`	`JeffM2501`	`we just ran WoW on it and it looked fine`
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`18:36.17`	`JeffM2501`	`a 30 might make me ill`
`18:36.24`	`JeffM2501`	`this one was a little wozzy at the edges`
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`19:44.17`	`siktigimineksisi`	`feeeeeener feeeeeeener`
`19:45.12`	`brad2901`	`?`
`19:45.49`	`Tupone`	`siktigimineksisi: why getting 2 users in here ?`
`19:46.37`	`Tupone`	`ahh ok, you quit`
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`21:16.03`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+b *!51d62042@genesis.concept69.de] by brlcad`
`21:16.20`	`conanhome`	`LePoulpe303: hey!`
`21:16.46`	`conanhome`	`LePoulpe303: i just get to know about your BZManager utility`
`21:16.48`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-b *!51d62042@genesis.concept69.de] by brlcad`
`21:16.56`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+b !5@genesis.concept69.de] by brlcad`
`21:17.25`	`conanhome`	`LePoulpe303: didn't check it yet, but maybe we could cooperate since i'm doing something similar but as a jabber bot`
`21:17.29`	`JeffM2501`	`what were they doing?`
`21:17.40`	`conanhome`	`LePoulpe303: ping me when are around so we chat a little`
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`21:18.36`	`CBG`	`conanhome: btw, your jabber bot seems nice.`
`21:18.51`	`CBG`	`a shame it's rarely online...`
`21:19.28`	`brlcad`	`nothing other than the feeener feeener, figured give them a day or two to cool down or get a real client`
`21:23.13`	`JeffM2501`	`kids these days`
`21:23.40`	`conanhome`	`CBG: thank you :)`
`21:23.41`	`CBG`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:23.45`	`CBG`	`conanhome: sure.`
`21:24.06`	`CBG`	`I take it it will be online permanently once released properly?`
`21:24.19`	`JeffM2501`	`must... not... fall... asleep....`
`21:24.21`	`conanhome`	`CBG: i'm in testing phase, when i have it ok (no more crashes) i will put online 24/7`
`21:24.28`	`conanhome`	`CBG: that's the all idea!`
`21:24.37`	`conanhome`	`CBG: exactly`
`21:24.46`	`CBG`	`Cool.`
`21:25.00`	`CBG`	`lol`
`21:30.23`	`brlcad`	`chocolate truffles are good for staying awake`
`21:30.55`	`gsnedders`	`CBG, you are cannonballguy, yes?`
`21:31.04`	`CBG`	`brlcad: chocolate truffles are good. period.`
`21:31.08`	`CBG`	`gsnedders: I am indeed.`
`21:31.15`	`CBG`	`The one, the only.`
`21:31.21`	`JeffM2501`	`it's food coma`
`21:31.25`	`gsnedders`	`CBG, you know who I am?`
`21:31.26`	`brlcad`	`ahh`
`21:31.31`	`JeffM2501`	`don't know if eating anything else will make it beter :)`
`21:31.41`	`CBG`	`gsnedders: you're gsnedders?`
`21:31.58`	`gsnedders`	`CBG, Geoffrey Sneddon, or (Un)Guided Missile`
`21:32.04`	`JeffM2501`	`just imported ico-tank into GibbsCAM, maybe that wil keep my inrest`
`21:32.06`	`CBG`	`Aha. :) Hey.`
`21:32.23`	`brlcad`	`ico-tank?`
`21:32.39`	`JeffM2501`	`the mini tank`
`21:32.48`	`JeffM2501`	`since it came from an icon`
`21:32.53`	`gsnedders`	`how do you do seen here?`
`21:32.55`	`brlcad`	`ahh`
`21:33.08`	`JeffM2501`	`so now it's a nice parasold entity :)`
`21:33.20`	`brlcad`	`~seen mbfg`
`21:33.30`	`ibot`	`mbfg <n=dave@38.118.53.165> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 29d 22h 5m 14s ago, saying: 'death payment?'.`
`21:33.30`	`gsnedders`	`~seen Silverfox`
`21:33.32`	`ibot`	`silverfox <n=vircuser@68-116-47-254.static.mdfd.or.charter.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #silvercat, 1d 19h 47m 37s ago, saying: 'como?'.`
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`22:34.54`	`TD-Linux`	`hmm.... world weapons don't group.... /me looks for a solution`
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`22:48.22`	`trepan`	`TD-Linux: bzmapper could generate grouped world weapons for ya, iirc`
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`22:50.02`	`_sussi`	`hi`
`23:20.01`	`brlcad`	`http://70.86.201.113/imageserv2/temporary/PBF088ADWorldChampion.html`
`23:24.37`	`TD-Linux`	`does grouping work on teleporters linked by number?`
`23:25.51`	`trepan`	`ya, but the numbers probably won't be what you expect`
`23:26.00`	`trepan`	`use bzfs -d -d -d -d to show the linkage table`
`23:26.15`	`TD-Linux`	`the linkage table appears to be ok`
`23:26.19`	`trepan`	`(easier to do by tele name)`
`23:26.32`	`TD-Linux`	`but the teleporters don't work at all`
`23:26.56`	`trepan`	`pastebin the map`
`23:27.10`	`TD-Linux`	`actually... I'll let you make your own:`
`23:27.19`	`TD-Linux`	`http://bzflag.pfwh.net/MegaBlocks/`
`23:27.20`	`TD-Linux`	`;)`
`23:27.30`	`TD-Linux`	`just click the Download button`
`23:27.35`	`TD-Linux`	`err`
`23:27.36`	`TD-Linux`	`Generate`
`23:27.51`	`TD-Linux`	`you can choose to view it if you want`
`23:27.53`	`trepan`	`make a specific map to test with`
`23:28.11`	`trepan`	`then we'll be talking about _excatly_ the same thing`
`23:29.31`	`TD-Linux`	`http://pastebin.ca/39333`
`23:29.37`	`TD-Linux`	`that's the one I'm using right now`
`23:30.06`	`TD-Linux`	`oh`
`23:30.12`	`TD-Linux`	`I just saw the part 'broken link'`
`23:30.16`	`TD-Linux`	`it says they are all broken`
`23:30.23`	`TD-Linux`	`it links them anyway, for some reason`
`23:31.17`	`TD-Linux`	`(note that I didn't make the blocks, I made the generator, but I can fix the blocks)`
`23:35.14`	`trepan`	`heh, looks like numerical linking doesn't work on grouped teles`
`23:35.46`	`trepan`	`don't think i bothered with it, better to do by name anyways`
`23:36.08`	`trepan`	`note that the tele names are all like: /dw_corner_block.bzw/1:/t0`
`23:36.35`	`trepan`	`just do a link\n from \n to \n end :)`
`23:43.13`	`trepan`	`TD-Linux: use an edge connection graph (n/s/e/w), fill it in randomly, then pick your blocks to fil the pattern (allowing for block rotations)`

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