| 00:00.50 | CBG | Wow! I did Stage 4 by just charging at him and blasting away! |
| 00:00.56 | CBG | Neat. I have a password now too. :D |
| 00:01.07 | CBG | This rocks more than BZFlag! :P |
| 00:02.45 | brad2901 | are the passwords all the same? "stone" |
| 00:03.07 | CBG | Yep. |
| 00:04.51 | CBG | W00t, another pass for end of stage 7! :D |
| 00:05.08 | brad2901 | oh? =) |
| 00:05.39 | CBG | All stages after 4 are easy. |
| 00:05.44 | CBG | That was the hardest by far! |
| 00:06.50 | CBG | Even harder than stage 9... |
| 00:06.53 | CBG | Weird. |
| 00:07.43 | CBG | Uh oh. 2 opponents at stage 10 |
| 00:08.21 | CBG | one down |
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| 00:30.42 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:38.27 | spldart | ~ibot... say turbo tanks is cute |
| 00:38.29 | ibot | okay, spldart |
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| 01:06.24 | TD-Linux | netsplits scare me |
| 01:08.52 | spldart | ~Queen to Queen's Level 3? |
| 01:08.54 | spldart | ~Queen to queen's level three? |
| 01:11.24 | spldart | I'm not going to beam you up ibot :squint: |
| 01:14.26 | DTRemenak | TD-Linux: has it occurred to you, that maybe you scare them too? |
| 01:15.05 | SportChick | JeffM2501: pong |
| 01:21.56 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (10 files in 7 dirs): |
| 01:21.56 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: motd can use version globbing. backwards-compatible. |
| 01:21.56 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: motd can be used to post version upgrade notifications to clients. |
| 01:21.56 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: windows clients can automatically download and install new versions of bzflag. |
| 01:21.59 | DTRemenak | whee |
| 01:22.16 | JeffM2501 | you continue to kick ass |
| 01:22.37 | DTRemenak | when we get an installer switch for in-game execution we can put that in too |
| 01:23.04 | JeffM2501 | sweet |
| 01:23.15 | DTRemenak | right now it just prompts the user, and downloads and runs the installer, then quits |
| 01:23.34 | JeffM2501 | at the least we can have the installer ask the user if they want to run it:) |
| 01:23.47 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:23.53 | DTRemenak | since we've already asked them once? :) |
| 01:24.17 | JeffM2501 | well I mean for the non reintsall run of the installer |
| 01:24.20 | JeffM2501 | like the first time |
| 01:24.29 | JeffM2501 | make it an option that just gets set to true for a auto update |
| 01:24.32 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 01:24.52 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 01:26.53 | brlcad | (and a slight buzz) |
| 01:27.39 | brlcad | DTRemenak: way coolie |
| 01:27.49 | DTRemenak | only about 30 lines of that commit was windows-specific. someone might want to write the equivalent for mac... ;) |
| 01:27.53 | spldart | mmm slight buzz |
| 01:28.21 | brlcad | the equivalent for mac is going to be close if not identical to that for linux I'd imagine |
| 01:28.43 | DTRemenak | can't really do it easily for linux...differences in packaging and so on |
| 01:28.46 | brlcad | the "problem" will be whether to replace or just add the new version |
| 01:28.56 | brlcad | ah, true |
| 01:29.06 | DTRemenak | suppose we could do it for irix :) |
| 01:29.25 | brlcad | heh |
| 01:29.29 | brlcad | haven't built there in over a year |
| 01:29.45 | brlcad | er, maybe i have, hm |
| 01:29.45 | DTRemenak | and if you haven't, it's a fairly safe bet that nobody has :) |
| 01:30.16 | spldart | Alll this talk... is there an expermiental windows install.exe out there that needs testing? I havern't been able to get a build to work yet in win |
| 01:30.20 | JeffM2501 | maybe it's time to add an optiopn to the installer on windows to remove the old one too |
| 01:30.36 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: could be a nice thing to do |
| 01:30.37 | JeffM2501 | so that you only have one |
| 01:30.46 | DTRemenak | there can be only ONE!! |
| 01:30.53 | JeffM2501 | there is a reg entry for the ones installed |
| 01:30.55 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 01:31.06 | JeffM2501 | seems I'm full of ideas today |
| 01:31.10 | JeffM2501 | or somethin |
| 01:31.13 | DTRemenak | should be relatively straightforward to sniff the old ones and uninstall them |
| 01:31.15 | spldart | Multiversuly speaking |
| 01:31.17 | DTRemenak | put it in the todo ;) |
| 01:31.29 | DTRemenak | maybe blast'll see it :) |
| 01:33.46 | brlcad | linux might not be so bad.. we're already running and know where 1) the binary is and 2) where the data resources are -- easy to replace those on the fly if we wanted |
| 01:33.56 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak, mr bandwith calculator |
| 01:34.08 | JeffM2501 | 4 shots, 800k upstream, how many? |
| 01:34.09 | brlcad | wouldn't necessarily jive with a packaging system maybe, but it'd work from an application standpoint |
| 01:35.02 | brlcad | which is basically the case on mac too -- though I'd probably personally vie for non-destructive upgrades |
| 01:35.39 | brlcad | so one could continue to use the old versions if they were so inclined or if the upgrade didn't go quite as planned (binary compatibility and such) |
| 01:36.44 | brlcad | mac would be relatively simple to manage (just shove binaries into a predefined path like /Applications/BZFlag if we have permissions and if BZFlag was executed from there) |
| 01:37.29 | JeffM2501 | how many playes does SP run? |
| 01:37.31 | JeffM2501 | 20? |
| 01:37.39 | brlcad | usually |
| 01:37.47 | brlcad | limit is more iirc |
| 01:37.55 | JeffM2501 | what's it's bandwith? |
| 01:38.25 | brlcad | you mean utilization or size of pipe? |
| 01:38.43 | JeffM2501 | I'm trying to see how many players a 800k upstream will do |
| 01:38.44 | SportChick | brlcad: eating sushi without me again?! puh! |
| 01:38.45 | JeffM2501 | little k |
| 01:38.52 | JeffM2501 | on a 4-5 shoter |
| 01:39.07 | brlcad | JeffM2501: http://db.bzflag.bz/usage/secretplace_outbound.png |
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| 01:39.45 | TD-Linux | did the tank models change? |
| 01:39.52 | JeffM2501 | that's bytes I have to *8 :) |
| 01:40.03 | brlcad | SportChick: and it's delish |
| 01:40.09 | brlcad | that's for hunting me last night ;) |
| 01:40.14 | SportChick | brlcad: puh |
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| 01:40.36 | brlcad | JeffM2501: heh, I know .. higher math ;) |
| 01:41.24 | brlcad | ~170000 * 8 |
| 01:41.25 | ibot | 1360000 |
| 01:41.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's like 12 megs |
| 01:42.02 | JeffM2501 | in the dsl "k" |
| 01:42.06 | brlcad | 14 players looks like the sweet spot average use for 800k |
| 01:42.21 | JeffM2501 | winXP is saying his server will run 30-40 players |
| 01:42.31 | JeffM2501 | and 2x that when 2.1 comes ouy |
| 01:42.32 | JeffM2501 | out |
| 01:42.39 | brlcad | i don't believe it |
| 01:42.49 | TD-Linux | WinXP tolerates really high lag |
| 01:42.49 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't even have it yet |
| 01:42.50 | brlcad | i'd believe that he may have had 30-40 players at some point |
| 01:42.56 | brlcad | ah |
| 01:43.00 | JeffM2501 | the pipe would be totaly flooded |
| 01:43.02 | TD-Linux | he dosen't ever kick for lag |
| 01:43.04 | brlcad | very much so |
| 01:43.06 | JeffM2501 | it'd be MORE then lag |
| 01:43.19 | JeffM2501 | packets woudl just not get thru |
| 01:43.42 | brlcad | usage isn't going to double for half the shots, about 90% of that is basic player movement |
| 01:43.48 | brlcad | the rest is shots |
| 01:44.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:44.06 | brlcad | so call it 15-17 players for 5-shot maybe |
| 01:44.29 | brlcad | at best.. the average on the graph isn't good enough, a server needs to support the high end |
| 01:45.55 | TD-Linux | I compiled 2.0... I get a black screen behind the menu and it crashes when I try to join a game |
| 01:46.36 | TD-Linux | the ground lines appear when on low quality |
| 01:46.40 | TD-Linux | oh, it must be missing textures |
| 01:46.54 | JeffM2501 | the lines are only removed on expreimental |
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| 01:47.13 | TD-Linux | hmm... it has textures, the bzflag title appears |
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| 01:49.31 | TD-Linux | it seems to be lighting that's broken |
| 01:49.39 | TD-Linux | I turn it off and everything seems ok |
| 01:50.18 | TD-Linux | but it crashes when I join a game still :( |
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| 01:53.02 | TD-Linux | it silently crashes |
| 01:53.24 | JeffM2501 | ohhhh noooes! |
| 01:53.34 | TD-Linux | strangely, 2.1 compiles fine |
| 01:53.40 | TD-Linux | and runs fine |
| 01:53.48 | JeffM2501 | they are difrent code bases |
| 01:54.48 | TD-Linux | does 2.0 work for anyone else? |
| 02:01.19 | spldart | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH! TeH lIBcUrL hAuNtS mE!!! |
| 02:09.42 | brlcad | erp, DTRemenak curl_easy_getinfo() instead of just stat()? |
| 02:10.25 | DTRemenak | brlcad: I assume curl provides the method for a reason ;) |
| 02:13.24 | brlcad | for people that don't know about stat maybe :) |
| 02:14.20 | brlcad | it's part of posix |
| 02:14.37 | brlcad | '88 |
| 02:15.06 | brlcad | think windows calls it _stat(), but that's an easy #define |
| 02:15.39 | brlcad | just a thought :) |
| 02:16.10 | DTRemenak | how would you use stat in this case anyway? no file to read |
| 02:17.16 | brlcad | ah, read the function wrong |
| 02:18.09 | brlcad | though presumably the curl easyHandle was created off a file |
| 02:18.36 | DTRemenak | libcurl reads into memory, not directly into a file |
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| 02:18.51 | a-delusionbzflag | yes fersure |
| 02:18.58 | DTRemenak | the only size information we have is the http headers |
| 02:19.00 | brlcad | ahhh |
| 02:19.06 | DTRemenak | and it kinda makes since to use curl to read http headers ;) |
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| 02:19.11 | brlcad | then it's not a getFileSize() :) |
| 02:19.16 | brlcad | it's a getBufferSize() no? :) |
| 02:19.21 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:19.28 | DTRemenak | remote file size :) |
| 02:19.35 | DTRemenak | curl calls it DOWNLOAD_SIZE |
| 02:19.43 | brlcad | gotcha |
| 02:20.01 | DTRemenak | if I saw a "buffer size", I would assume it changes as the download progresses |
| 02:20.34 | DTRemenak | but then, apparently some people read "file size" as being the size of a, well, file... |
| 02:21.07 | brlcad | not a big deal |
| 02:21.36 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:21.54 | brlcad | a comment woulda been useful :) |
| 02:22.08 | DTRemenak | curlmanager needs to be doxygenned :) |
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| 02:31.48 | spldart | Anybody in here do builds with mingw? I hadn't quite given up on it yet |
| 02:33.55 | DTRemenak | spldart: haven't tested in a long time |
| 02:34.01 | DTRemenak | I can now if you would like |
| 02:35.11 | spldart | Problem I'm having, trying to build bzflag in mingw for win... is no matter what I try bzflag failes in ./configure because mingw says curl_config not found... but I've used the tutorials I've found to put libcurl in properly :( |
| 02:35.36 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 02:35.41 | DTRemenak | build libcurl from source |
| 02:35.56 | DTRemenak | with make install |
| 02:36.09 | DTRemenak | that'll get you the curl-config script, among others |
| 02:36.34 | DTRemenak | or just comment out the test in configure :) |
| 02:37.55 | spldart | I must be missing something cuz I've dowloaded a libcurl source from curl.haxx but can't get a build... am I suppossed to use a specific one? |
| 02:38.03 | spldart | several sources actually |
| 02:39.42 | DTRemenak | why won't it build? |
| 02:40.13 | spldart | I just don't know.... It's frustrating... I've got everthing seemingly configured but this |
| 02:40.43 | spldart | autogen works and configure works to close to the end and fail. and I can't get a curl to build yet. :( |
| 02:40.48 | spldart | err |
| 02:40.51 | spldart | make install yet |
| 02:46.57 | spldart | ok... trying another build from a new source cur 7.15.1 |
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| 03:00.49 | spldart | Ok... successful make install of libcurl 7.15.1 |
| 03:00.59 | spldart | now autogen of bzflag again |
| 03:05.26 | spldart | YES! ./configure found libcurl!!!!! this time whew |
| 03:05.39 | spldart | trying 'make' on bzflag now |
| 03:08.03 | spldart | :O |
| 03:08.43 | spldart | :-( Cannot find a type to use in place of socklen_t :( |
| 03:08.53 | spldart | Not seen that before during a build |
| 03:28.50 | spldart | Any hints on socklen_t problem? |
| 03:33.34 | JeffM2501 | rerun autogen |
| 03:34.33 | spldart | k rerun it again |
| 03:35.08 | brlcad | remove the socklen test from configure |
| 03:35.24 | spldart | won't that break make? |
| 03:37.43 | spldart | Ok.. rerun autogen then rerun configure normal and at the end of configure socklen is missing |
| 03:38.00 | spldart | how do I remove socklen test form configure? |
| 03:38.28 | brlcad | edit configure.ac |
| 03:39.28 | spldart | k |
| 03:43.42 | spldart | eeyoouwwaahhh... do I comment out the whole section of socklen stuff or just a small mod in a line? |
| 03:57.54 | spldart | Ok.... I finished the edit of configure.ac and it blew right through with no socken error... making now |
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| 04:45.44 | spldart | hrm... make complete |
| 04:52.00 | spldart | How do I run in window? c: /dir/dir/bzflag.exe -window? |
| 04:52.11 | blast007 | yeah |
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| 04:52.32 | blast007 | you can also specify geometry, such as -geometry 640x480 |
| 04:53.10 | blast007 | on windows, the cursor won't stay confined to the window though |
| 04:53.17 | spldart | libcurl-3.dll not found :( |
| 04:53.44 | spldart | Can I strip in wingw just like in linux btw? |
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| 05:02.13 | spldart | Nope... can't strip |
| 05:03.52 | spldart | It errors out when I run it :( |
| 05:06.55 | spldart | How do I collect info I can use to troubleshoot? I get the message send error report (which I will not do) to microsoft and in that you can get details and get Tons of data but I don't know what i'm looking for or if what I need is even in there. |
| 05:09.45 | JeffM2501 | run it in the debuger |
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| 05:14.46 | spldart | Doesn't work. nothing is output in the command prompt box and I go straight to pop up box bzflag.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close :( |
| 05:15.38 | spldart | I think I'm going to declare victory anyway... It did get through autogen, configure and make in the first place :) |
| 05:15.48 | spldart | do more troubleshooting tomorrow |
| 05:20.49 | brlcad | you shouldn't strip the binary unless you're distributing, makes debugging effectively practically impossible |
| 05:23.58 | spldart | K... I did figure out how to strip but am trying to run the unstrip version |
| 05:24.13 | spldart | but -d or -debug doesn't work... |
| 05:24.17 | spldart | No output |
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| 05:29.17 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 05:29.25 | JeffM2501 | the vc debuger |
| 05:29.38 | JeffM2501 | build debug |
| 05:29.46 | JeffM2501 | there isn't realy a "Strip" command in vc |
| 05:29.51 | JeffM2501 | oh he was doing command line |
| 05:29.52 | JeffM2501 | my bad |
| 05:30.43 | spldart | yeah... nothing is being left in the faux dos box :( |
| 05:31.37 | spldart | box stays open windows popup appears I close and am back to a dos box. Each time. |
| 05:31.40 | trepan | JeffM2501: didn't you pipe -d output to a file? |
| 05:32.25 | JeffM2501 | umm no, I did the echo stuff |
| 05:32.26 | spldart | If so what dir.... cuz I looked in the source dir and the new dir i created to see if that would make a difference |
| 05:32.35 | spldart | ah man :( |
| 05:32.40 | JeffM2501 | spldart, what did you build wtih? |
| 05:33.00 | spldart | mingw and msys.... hadn't installed visual yet |
| 05:33.15 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 05:33.18 | JeffM2501 | then you have no debuger |
| 05:33.28 | trepan | gdb doesn't work? |
| 05:33.30 | spldart | used the build libraries that came with it and used libcurl 7.15.1 compiled on it |
| 05:33.51 | JeffM2501 | it may |
| 05:33.56 | JeffM2501 | but it dosn't come with it IIRC |
| 05:34.02 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to install and set up gdb |
| 05:34.07 | JeffM2501 | and build with debug symbols |
| 05:34.14 | JeffM2501 | what is your error? |
| 05:34.45 | DTRemenak | gdb works & is included with the default msys iirc |
| 05:34.57 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 05:35.03 | JeffM2501 | what is your error? |
| 05:35.11 | spldart | where do I look? |
| 05:35.11 | DTRemenak | but bzflag is probably dying before it hits the debugger. missing dll maybe? |
| 05:35.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:35.29 | JeffM2501 | what error do you get? |
| 05:35.31 | JeffM2501 | just tell me that |
| 05:35.35 | JeffM2501 | it may be easy to fix |
| 05:35.38 | spldart | in the pop up box under to see what data this error report contains |
| 05:35.38 | JeffM2501 | I was playing fear |
| 05:35.41 | JeffM2501 | I did not se it |
| 05:35.58 | JeffM2501 | does it say can't find dll or anything? |
| 05:36.05 | spldart | nope |
| 05:36.30 | spldart | I can pull the error report contents but it's alot of complicated stuff and it puts a txt in temp that has some stuff |
| 05:36.48 | JeffM2501 | does it say what module? |
| 05:36.59 | spldart | as I go through the report it lists LOTS of .dll's |
| 05:37.10 | JeffM2501 | that's just all things loaded |
| 05:37.12 | spldart | Lots's of modules 8 on up |
| 05:37.18 | spldart | thought so |
| 05:38.49 | spldart | I saved the accompaning.txt in my temp to see what was in there..... |
| 05:40.01 | spldart | so.. I need to build adebugger? |
| 05:40.39 | JeffM2501 | pastebin the text file |
| 05:40.42 | spldart | I noticed it didn't build bzadmin... but it did build bzfs.. How can I get it to build bzadmin auto? |
| 05:40.44 | spldart | Ok... |
| 05:40.57 | JeffM2501 | probably get curses |
| 05:42.26 | spldart | actually.... http://spldart.bakadigital.com:91/bzcrash.doc if you don't mind... |
| 05:42.36 | spldart | It's a tad long for pastebin |
| 05:42.40 | spldart | methinks |
| 05:43.06 | JeffM2501 | a word doc? |
| 05:43.08 | JeffM2501 | man |
| 05:43.15 | JeffM2501 | your killin me |
| 05:43.20 | spldart | sorry.... how you would prefer it? |
| 05:43.36 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't show anything relay usefull |
| 05:43.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah build enable debug |
| 05:43.44 | spldart | was worried about that |
| 05:43.46 | JeffM2501 | and run it in gdb |
| 05:44.59 | spldart | I haven't done that before... is it easy change of option or is it going to take a while and some manual configuring to set up? |
| 05:46.19 | JeffM2501 | --enable_debug |
| 05:46.24 | JeffM2501 | on config IIRC |
| 05:46.32 | JeffM2501 | then gdb bzflag.exe |
| 05:47.43 | spldart | thanks... |
| 05:49.37 | spldart | I probably humped this myself setting up mingw :( |
| 05:51.28 | spldart | woah... gram slam was on my server... wasn't he being an issue? |
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| 05:52.58 | lan56 | wow I gotta hear this, he seems polite when I have seen him and is urging me to get msn just so he could talk to me around the clock (no reference to happy days). I may be in for a shock |
| 05:55.35 | JeffM2501 | he's very young |
| 05:55.39 | JeffM2501 | very very |
| 05:55.45 | JeffM2501 | if he is a problem please let me know |
| 06:01.00 | spldart | ok... autogening on some source I brought over from server fresh from less than 4 hours ago..... My at well it was there :) |
| 06:03.17 | spldart | got it ./configure --enable-debug |
| 06:04.25 | spldart | ah crap! I gotta mod the configure.ac again :( |
| 06:14.40 | spldart | make started and I'm going to lie down with my hot wife and watch Alien Vs Predator.... :-) |
| 06:14.50 | spldart | THANKS EVERYBODY |
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| 07:09.43 | DTRemenak | i.will.not.stop.watchin.you ;) |
| 07:10.04 | sniperyyd | ;) |
| 07:10.57 | PuMpErNiCkLe | O_o |
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| 07:53.40 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (23 files in 12 dirs): merge from v2_0branch. v2_0branch tagged as merge-2_0-2_1-9. |
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| 10:50.18 | spldart_away | :( |
| 11:02.22 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: ping |
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| 11:24.46 | fiberchunks | howdy |
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| 13:51.28 | cosimo | ciao |
| 13:51.55 | Tupone | ciao |
| 13:52.37 | cosimo | ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 13:52.52 | blast007 | ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5355 |
| 13:53.04 | cosimo | ~bzfquery 64.92.216.88:5154 |
| 13:53.25 | cosimo | ~bzfquery 62.94.216.88:5255 |
| 13:53.32 | Tupone | cosimo, when you have learned, do in private |
| 13:53.43 | cosimo | ? |
| 13:53.54 | cosimo | ok |
| 13:53.55 | Tupone | send a message to ibot |
| 13:54.10 | cosimo | how did i do? |
| 13:54.11 | Tupone | unless you want to show us something |
| 13:54.25 | Tupone | what tou have? xchat? |
| 13:54.30 | cosimo | yes |
| 13:54.37 | blast007 | typically /query ibot |
| 13:54.48 | cosimo | thanks |
| 13:54.52 | blast007 | or /msg ibot bzfquery whatever:5154 |
| 13:55.03 | cosimo | bye |
| 13:55.30 | Tupone | scared :( |
| 13:55.42 | blast007 | heh, that wasn't xchat ;) |
| 13:55.46 | Tupone | I know |
| 13:55.53 | Tupone | :) |
| 14:00.37 | brad2901 | ~seen lan56 |
| 14:00.52 | ibot | lan56 <i=lan56@user-vcauul4.dsl.mindspring.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 8h 7m 54s ago, saying: 'wow I gotta hear this, he seems polite when I have seen him and is urging me to get msn just so he could talk to me around the clock (no reference to happy days). I may be in for a shock'. |
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| 14:26.59 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: pong |
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| 15:07.39 | Tupone | DTRemenak: ping |
| 15:09.02 | Tupone | menotume: ping |
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| 15:25.31 | brad2901 | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/38902 -- anyone know what's wrong? |
| 15:29.00 | meacan | brad2901: i think i saw a note in README.DEVC++ about curl/devc+ problems |
| 15:29.53 | meacan | if you havnt, you could try to see if it helps you |
| 15:30.06 | brad2901 | ahh ok, thanks meacan |
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| 15:48.06 | xim | hi. how do i set the respawn time on a server? |
| 15:51.19 | blast007 | /set _explodeTime 10 (in seconds) |
| 15:51.47 | xim | thanks |
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| 16:47.27 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: You've broken CVS HEAD |
| 16:49.03 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: http://pastebin.com/527489 |
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| 17:21.57 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: sorry, and thx :) |
| 17:22.06 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (NewVersionMenu.cxx NewVersionMenu.h): d'oh, actually add the new files for update notification/download |
| 17:22.30 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: np :) |
| 17:22.31 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:23.28 | DTRemenak | surprised nobody else noticed before :S |
| 17:24.37 | ToughShooter | No one tested I guess, except me looking for problems |
| 17:29.37 | DTRemenak | well, ya found one :) |
| 17:30.28 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/bzflag.vcproj: Add NewVersionMenu.cxx and NewVersionMenu.h to VC71 project |
| 17:30.47 | DTRemenak | ~blast007++ |
| 17:30.51 | blast007 | heh |
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| 17:59.05 | BinarySpike | Anybody like Invader Zim? |
| 17:59.13 | RPG_ | not really |
| 18:01.29 | BinarySpike | I'll be streaming two unreased episodes... |
| 18:01.40 | BinarySpike | unreleased* |
| 18:01.48 | RPG_ | how? |
| 18:02.26 | BinarySpike | SHOUTcast |
| 18:02.36 | BinarySpike | Took me like five hours to settup |
| 18:02.39 | RPG_ | oh |
| 18:02.44 | RPG_ | took me a few minutes :) |
| 18:03.06 | BinarySpike | well five hours to get a broadcaster workin |
| 18:03.24 | BinarySpike | it's a smack to get the server running... |
| 18:03.51 | RPG_ | i thought it was fairly easy |
| 18:03.55 | RPG_ | i set one up for a friend |
| 18:04.04 | BinarySpike | What broadcaster did you use? |
| 18:04.08 | BinarySpike | (I'm on mac btw) |
| 18:04.11 | RPG_ | Linux shoutcast server |
| 18:04.13 | RPG_ | sc_serv |
| 18:04.22 | BinarySpike | no that's the shoutcast version |
| 18:04.28 | RPG_ | oh |
| 18:04.36 | BinarySpike | (not version... it's the server) |
| 18:04.47 | RPG_ | what version were you using |
| 18:04.57 | BinarySpike | latest |
| 18:05.07 | BinarySpike | unless in the past 10 hours they updated it |
| 18:05.15 | RPG_ | mine was only the audio server |
| 18:05.32 | BinarySpike | well... i start mine with sc_serv |
| 18:05.40 | BinarySpike | but my broadcasters wouldn't connect |
| 18:05.40 | RPG_ | same hrer |
| 18:05.43 | RPG_ | oh |
| 18:05.47 | RPG_ | port forward/firewall |
| 18:05.54 | BinarySpike | it's all local |
| 18:06.06 | BinarySpike | (yeah opened those ports so my friends could listen) |
| 18:06.06 | RPG_ | oh |
| 18:12.23 | BinarySpike | gonna go stream now |
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| 18:33.48 | statico | Any idea what "Error unpacking world database" means? I'm using 2.0.2.20050318ubuntu2 for linux/powerpc |
| 18:36.49 | blast007 | statico: try building from CVS |
| 18:37.13 | blast007 | ~bzcvs |
| 18:37.14 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 18:37.28 | statico | Okay |
| 18:37.56 | BearPerson | maybe try removing/emptying your cache |
| 18:38.02 | statico | Tried that. |
| 18:38.12 | statico | I haven't been able to connect at all on this machine. |
| 18:38.33 | blast007 | BearPerson: according to my logs, there is know issues with that package ;) |
| 18:38.36 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: http://pastebin.com/527630 |
| 18:38.37 | blast007 | known* |
| 18:38.48 | BearPerson | ah |
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| 18:46.08 | brlcad | woo, that was a long game |
| 18:55.14 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/NewVersionMenu.cxx: what, you expect it to actually compile in linux? |
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| 19:41.17 | binux | m |
| 19:41.33 | blast007 | n |
| 19:44.50 | statico | blast007: Same problems, still. |
| 19:45.02 | statico | I can't start a server, either. Just says "Failed." |
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| 19:45.33 | blast007 | hmm |
| 19:45.50 | blast007 | oh, starting a server from inside the client? |
| 19:45.54 | statico | Yeah |
| 19:46.02 | RPG_ | hah |
| 19:46.06 | blast007 | did you 'make install'? |
| 19:46.26 | statico | Ah, I didn't install. It can't find bzfs, eh? |
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| 19:46.34 | blast007 | well, you don't have to install |
| 19:46.39 | statico | The big issue is the worlds not unpacking. |
| 19:46.43 | blast007 | but if you don't, the binary won't be where it expected |
| 19:47.03 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/nagware/Makefile: these are not portable among mixed invocations of autoconf/automake |
| 19:47.38 | blast007 | I guess you can try renaming ~/.bzf to ~/.bzwold |
| 19:48.06 | statico | After an install, I can start a server, but I can't join it because of the unpacking problem. |
| 19:48.11 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/nagware/Makefile.am: initial Makefile.am for building the nagware plugin, includes all files in the dist |
| 19:48.19 | blast007 | strange |
| 19:48.45 | statico | No luck with `mv .bzf .bzwold', either |
| 19:48.56 | blast007 | well, that's about all I know in this regard |
| 19:49.50 | blast007 | so the client says "2.0.5" after you launch it? |
| 19:50.20 | statico | BZFlag client 2.0.5.20060128-DEVEL-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0026) |
| 19:50.33 | blast007 | k |
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| 19:50.44 | RPG_slackware | ~bzcvs |
| 19:50.46 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 19:50.46 | statico | Any kind of debugging I could turn on? |
| 19:51.01 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/configure.ac: |
| 19:51.01 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: and the fun begins... give the plugins their own configure.ac so that they may |
| 19:51.01 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: be built shared-only and the rest of bz may be built static-only. this also |
| 19:51.01 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: allows the plugins to compile mostly independant to the rest of bzflag and |
| 19:51.01 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: scripts/instructions for adding new plugins become simplified. |
| 19:51.07 | blast007 | you could run: bzflag -d -d -d -d |
| 19:51.34 | RPG_slackware | ty |
| 19:51.58 | statico | Unmapped Locale String: Preparing world... |
| 19:51.58 | statico | WorldBuilder::unpack() overrun |
| 19:51.59 | statico | Unmapped Locale String: Error unpacking world database. Join canceled. |
| 19:52.56 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/ (AUTHORS NEWS README ChangeLog): the isolated configure does seem to necessitate the stubbed AUTHORS, ChangeLog, NEWS, and README files for the 'subproject'. Should be useful anyways to independently document the plugins. |
| 19:54.40 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/Makefile.am: add the automake options, and aclocal amflags so that someone could actually autogen.sh in this directory. delete configure on a maintainerclean |
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| 19:56.31 | blast007 | statico: well, I'm out of ideas for the moment |
| 19:56.39 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/ (12 files in 12 dirs): remove the CPPFLAGS AND CXXFLAGS -- 'project-level' includes can be set in configure (e.g. the main include/ dir) |
| 19:59.55 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.ac: |
| 19:59.55 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: the plugin makefiles are no longer generated in the top-level configure.ac, they |
| 19:59.55 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: get generated by their own configure.ac in the plugins/ directory. plugins are |
| 19:59.56 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: no longer tied to the shared flag, they get their own flag again. might want to |
| 19:59.56 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: do the AC_CONFIG_SUBDIRS regardless of the plugins setting (so that a user could |
| 19:59.56 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: cd plugins and still build even with --disable-plugins), but for now we don't. |
| 20:00.19 | statico | blast007: I'll make the overrun error a little more verbose |
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| 20:01.53 | RPG_slackware | In ./configure, how would I tell it to just compile BZFS, and not the client? |
| 20:02.00 | RPG_slackware | i'd also like BZAdmiin if that's possible |
| 20:02.34 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/.cvsignore: ignore the auto-generated files |
| 20:02.36 | Chestal | --disable-client I think |
| 20:03.49 | RPG_slackware | my CVS checkout missed the configure file |
| 20:04.02 | RPG_slackware | i have a configure.ac, does that do the same thing? |
| 20:04.35 | amathis | run sh ./autogen.sh |
| 20:04.41 | amathis | that generates your configure script |
| 20:04.44 | amathis | from the configure.ac file |
| 20:04.46 | RPG_ | ahh ok |
| 20:05.34 | RPG_slackware | do i put the --disable-client in the autogen.sh line or the ./configure line? |
| 20:05.51 | amathis | the ./configure line |
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| 20:08.45 | RPG_slackware | ~bzcvs |
| 20:08.46 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 20:08.46 | Neurovit | join #irc://irc.gnu.org/sourtimes |
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| 20:10.02 | TheUnspeakableon | hello folks |
| 20:10.05 | RPG_ | hi |
| 20:11.11 | TheUnspeakableon | help needed guys, where can i get the translator that translates 3D studio Max files into .bzw or map or txt? |
| 20:11.28 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/ (README api_notes): someone needs to write a better README, include basic instructions on creating a new plugin. move the api_notes into the readme. |
| 20:11.34 | RPG_ | you'll have to open the .3DS file in a modeler |
| 20:11.36 | RPG_ | do you have one? |
| 20:11.55 | TheUnspeakableon | noop |
| 20:12.09 | RPG_ | unfourtantately, you'll need to get one to convert the file |
| 20:12.30 | TheUnspeakableon | Autodesk or Catia ....something like that? |
| 20:12.31 | RPG_ | you open the file up in a moderler, and export it as a .obj |
| 20:12.34 | statico | Blender3D, maybe? |
| 20:12.40 | statico | (Blender is free) |
| 20:12.45 | TheUnspeakableon | cool |
| 20:12.53 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/README: newplug.sh not new_plug.sh |
| 20:13.04 | RPG_ | then, there's a tool caleld modeltool that converts the .obj file to a .bzw |
| 20:13.07 | RPG_ | ~modeltool |
| 20:13.33 | TheUnspeakableon | flippin heck, thats a lot of fiddling around.... |
| 20:14.00 | RPG_ | ~modeltool is http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2698&highlight=modeltool |
| 20:14.02 | ibot | okay, RPG_ |
| 20:14.13 | RPG_ | only a tad |
| 20:14.17 | TheUnspeakableon | cheer RPG |
| 20:14.25 | RPG_slackware | ty |
| 20:14.32 | RPG_slackware | (i'm the same as RPG_) |
| 20:14.41 | statico | blast007: FWIW, a line "buf = nboUnpackUInt(buf, count);" below "unpack the entry zones" in src/bzflag/WorldBuilder.cxx sets the error -- Unfortunately, I bet the problem is a bit bigger than that, and I don't know the project. |
| 20:16.28 | TheUnspeakableon | comon guys hurry up and write a modler for bzflag that does the job............{A*$e!} is begging or gagging |
| 20:16.40 | TheUnspeakableon | both |
| 20:16.58 | RPG_ | i can do it for you if you email me |
| 20:17.30 | TheUnspeakableon | nice one RPG thanks |
| 20:17.38 | RPG_ | garrett@garrettsites.net |
| 20:19.15 | TheUnspeakableon | ok thanks will do next week sometime if ok |
| 20:19.23 | RPG_ | ok |
| 20:19.29 | RPG_ | i'll email back a .bzw |
| 20:19.30 | RPG_ | glad to help |
| 20:19.41 | TheUnspeakableon | big thanks man |
| 20:20.21 | TheUnspeakableon | time to work on it, laters all esp RPG |
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| 20:29.23 | blast007 | statico: I think the problem occurs due to a difference in a variable's data size, so it unpacks too much |
| 20:34.29 | statico | Yeah, that's what it appears to be |
| 20:34.59 | statico | I think it's something beyond my knowledge of C++ :( |
| 20:36.20 | RPG_ | ~bzfquery garrettp.homeip.net |
| 20:36.26 | RPG_ | yes1 |
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| 20:56.27 | RatOmeter | Meh, LaserMania kicked me for not being registered... while I had the lovely '+' just to the left of my name |
| 20:57.36 | gsnedders | LOL |
| 20:58.35 | RatOmeter | Are you laughing on lasers or just wishing for a lolipop? |
| 21:00.32 | Thumper_ | RatOmeter: hmmm it's not supposed to do that |
| 21:01.37 | RatOmeter | ahem. I suggest that perhaps either the server for the LaserMania map is doinked (not unexpected) or the reg server is likewise. I further suggest that the wide-spread, upcoming trend toward reg-only (which I support) had better be rock-solid. |
| 21:02.47 | Thumper_ | The log says you joined w/o identifying when you were kicked |
| 21:03.01 | Thumper_ | probalby a network failure with the list server |
| 21:03.04 | Thumper_ | and you had a '-' |
| 21:03.08 | Thumper_ | not a '+' |
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| 21:03.13 | Thumper_ | the next time you connected it was fine |
| 21:03.29 | Thumper_ | 2006-01-28T20:36:18Z Got: TOKBAD: RatOmeter[6] |
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| 21:04.46 | Thumper_ | If you connect and get a bad token error usually reconnecting fixes it |
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| 21:05.13 | RatOmeter | I guess that must be it. Since gameplay did not appear to be affected by network issues, I assume the reg check protocol needs to be more robust. |
| 21:05.30 | blast007 | no, the list server needs to be moved to somewhere else |
| 21:05.37 | RatOmeter | I understand that "patches are welcome" |
| 21:05.44 | blast007 | right now it's sharing bandwidth with secretplace, since it's on the same server |
| 21:06.44 | TimRiker | the list server still has enough bandwidth. I doubt that's the issue. |
| 21:07.22 | blast007 | it was either bandwidth, or apache running out of control |
| 21:07.57 | TimRiker | hmm. secretplace was ok, so it was not justa network glitch? |
| 21:08.04 | Thumper_ | the lasermania server does has some anomalous network events now and then |
| 21:09.03 | RatOmeter | TimRiker: do you think that there might be some room for improvement in the "robustness" portion of the protocol, perhaps? |
| 21:09.57 | TimRiker | RatOmeter: well, what I think is needed is a mirror of the list server with protocol for keeping them in sync. |
| 21:10.03 | TimRiker | that's a lot of work though. |
| 21:10.24 | TimRiker | so it's currently as reliable as any normal web site. which is ok, but as you say could be better. |
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| 21:11.18 | trepan | TimRiker: we've talked about having mysql do the load/data sharing |
| 21:11.27 | RatOmeter | Mmmm. Seems to me the protocol portion is doable (in my context), the mirror portion not so (certainly not in my context) |
| 21:14.34 | TimRiker | trepan: yeah, but nobody has gotten around to testing that out. |
| 21:15.14 | TimRiker | I'd be happy to run a backup server on rikers.org but I've not gotten around to it either. |
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| 21:17.51 | RatOmeter | I did briefly see the msg "This callsign is registered" when I logged on to LM, so I guess the reg check failed and it let me on anyway. If it were reg-only, I suppose it would have failed and a subsequent retry would have yielded a satisfactory result. |
| 21:19.56 | RatOmeter | what is the current DB based on? |
| 21:21.07 | Thumper_ | if I added REQUIREIDENTIFY then it wouldn't allow you to spawn at all |
| 21:23.57 | RatOmeter | Thumper: I guess that's what you'll do when the "time comes"? I'm am all for the reg-only thing on the popular servers. Very tired of the random "newb" who TKs and taunts until he's kicked/banned. |
| 21:24.24 | Thumper_ | that's the plan |
| 21:24.45 | Thumper_ | we're trying to get more players to register... |
| 21:25.42 | Thumper_ | removing talk priv for anon isn't great... since they can't ask for help |
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| 21:29.55 | RatOmeter | I think joining as an observer while not reg'd would be OK... not sure thats allowed in the protocol(s) nor should they necessarily be allowed to msg the players |
| 21:31.50 | RatOmeter | If it were a server option? No, I think I may have to reverse my view a little and say non-reg'd observers should be able to talk?? |
| 21:33.37 | Thumper_ | you can do that |
| 21:33.51 | Thumper_ | the nagware plugin is configurable (and doesn't kick observers) |
| 21:33.54 | Thumper_ | on lasermania |
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| 21:42.52 | spldart | Any minGW guru's? After building curl and getting that fixed. After editing out socken test in configure.ac and getting that hurdle passed when I finish a build I get bzflag.exe that crashes right after starting it. I rebuild with the --enable-debug during .configure and when I was finshed I tried running bzflag.exe in debug mode but it still crashes with no useful information... Any help? |
| 21:44.00 | spldart | BTW. bzflag run from command box just pauses a bit then a window comes up saying bzflag.exe needs to close do you wish to report this yada yada.. I never see client stuff at all. |
| 21:44.02 | TimRiker | spldart: might try building some simple SDL apps and/or OpenGL apps and see if they do the same. |
| 21:44.35 | spldart | Ah.... good idea.. see if it's calling the graphics stuff that is crashing it :) |
| 21:44.38 | spldart | thanks |
| 21:44.49 | TimRiker | does the bzadmin and/or bzfs run ok? |
| 21:44.57 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/newplug.sh: update the script to do more. edit the Makefile.am and the plugin configure.ac automatically now too. plugin makers only need to rerun autogen.sh and configure. |
| 21:45.01 | spldart | bzfs runs... bzadmin didn't build |
| 21:45.36 | TimRiker | k. I suspect graphics stuff then, but I'm not a mingw guru. |
| 21:45.42 | spldart | I was wondering why bzadmin didn't build... I thought if you didn't disable then everything build auto |
| 21:45.58 | TimRiker | ./configure should tell you why. |
| 21:46.18 | spldart | lemme check |
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| 21:46.38 | TimRiker | perhaps no curses libs. though I think bzadmin can still build with just stdin/out, I'm not sure that it tries that my default. I always build with a curses lib. |
| 21:46.51 | TimRiker | s/my/by/ |
| 21:47.31 | spldart | I believe I do have curses setup and configure shows that if memory servers |
| 21:47.39 | SportChick | brlcad: ping |
| 21:47.39 | blast007 | it's painful without curses |
| 21:47.40 | spldart | hehe servers=serves |
| 21:47.44 | SportChick | learner: ping |
| 21:48.22 | spldart | config.log? |
| 21:51.56 | spldart | Aha! thanks TR.. found the problem in the config.log... you were right to check up on SDL OpenGL stuff |
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| 22:10.05 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/newplug.sh: make the script run autogen.sh and configure for them too while we're at it |
| 22:10.44 | brlcad | yes SportChick? |
| 22:11.24 | SportChick | brlcad: is there a quick reference somewhere that explains how to set a server for reg to talk? |
| 22:12.39 | brlcad | a quick ref? nope |
| 22:12.41 | brlcad | there's the manpage ;) |
| 22:13.10 | SportChick | au, our techy guy from sp is asking and I'm lost |
| 22:19.15 | ToughShooter | One would think just -talk in group everyone and +talk in group verified |
| 22:21.14 | ToughShooter | Has anyone else seen this problem with texture on CVS HEAD, too? http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/3648/bzfi00019ol.png |
| 22:21.21 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/Makefile.am: add AUTHORS COPYING INSTALL NEWS README ChangeLog to the dist |
| 22:22.44 | ToughShooter | There is hunter_bolt.png in the appropriate dir :/ |
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| 22:31.49 | RPG_ | ~bzfquery garrettp.homeip.net |
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