| 00:00.09 | spldart | anything new for bzfs lately on 2.1? |
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| 00:00.25 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 00:00.30 | JeffM2501 | haven't seen much go buy |
| 00:00.34 | JeffM2501 | but I'm also not lookin :0 |
| 00:00.34 | spldart | k |
| 00:00.39 | spldart | iz fine |
| 00:01.02 | JeffM2501 | change log is probably updated tho |
| 00:01.04 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 00:01.51 | spldart | oopsy.. how can I cancel a login to cvs instead of waiting for a timeout |
| 00:02.02 | JeffM2501 | control + C |
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| 00:09.02 | spldart | welp.... lemme see if I can get one of those tarballs |
| 00:10.16 | spldart | My servers may be down for a few hours later... I'm reconfiguring my home workspace to something totally kick arse (pics later) /public anouncement |
| 00:12.42 | spldart | Oh yeah.... On www.://www.bzflag.org/wiki/Download the cvs shortcut download of file bzflag-1.10.6.20040515-install.tar.bz2 comes up with file not available... ran into that a couple days ago too |
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| 00:27.05 | JeffM2501 | the wiki is just where people put links |
| 00:27.12 | JeffM2501 | SF is the place to trust for download links |
| 00:31.00 | spldart | couldn't find a tarball at sourceforge but I did download some 1.10 stuff there |
| 00:31.33 | spldart | got a bzflag-1.10.6_n32.tar.gz coming down now |
| 00:31.49 | JeffM2501 | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-1.10.8.20041007.tar.bz2?download |
| 00:32.42 | brlcad | spldart: eek 1.10? why? |
| 00:32.54 | JeffM2501 | he wants to see how it is |
| 00:33.02 | JeffM2501 | I keep telling him it's not THAT difrent |
| 00:33.02 | brlcad | ahh |
| 00:33.07 | spldart | and see what kind of traffic is there |
| 00:33.24 | JeffM2501 | ibot bzfslist |
| 00:33.35 | spldart | I have not found a tar.bz2 yet |
| 00:33.44 | JeffM2501 | spldart, I just linked it to you :) |
| 00:33.45 | spldart | so I'll grab the one you lijnked |
| 00:33.56 | spldart | an echo? ;) |
| 00:34.53 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 00:34.55 | spldart | Ok... downloading amonst other files |
| 00:35.22 | JeffM2501 | how do you ahve it list the other proto verison? |
| 00:35.35 | brlcad | i forget :) |
| 00:35.38 | spldart | I had just asked that before |
| 00:35.42 | blast007 | ~bzflist17 |
| 00:35.45 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:35.50 | spldart | LOL |
| 00:35.53 | JeffM2501 | ~bzflist110 |
| 00:35.57 | brlcad | i was going to say, there's only 1 bzfs 1.7 |
| 00:37.06 | JeffM2501 | dude why is the quake tree our default screenshot? |
| 00:37.09 | spldart | was running 'decks' map at recommend of someone or two on here yesterday... but was thinking of shifting it down to a 1.1 server for a while for fun |
| 00:37.09 | brlcad | TimRiker: how to get listing of 1.10 servers? or a "more" on bzflist for that matter? |
| 00:37.24 | brlcad | ahh, it's in the output |
| 00:37.31 | brlcad | BZFS1910(8) |
| 00:37.46 | JeffM2501 | not so many servers there |
| 00:37.52 | spldart | no |
| 00:37.58 | blast007 | ah, the regular bzflist shows 1.10 servers |
| 00:38.01 | spldart | I just wanted to for a bit |
| 00:38.08 | spldart | just for ish and giggles |
| 00:38.16 | blast007 | so 8 1.10 servers |
| 00:38.28 | spldart | hopefully soon to be nine |
| 00:38.34 | JeffM2501 | heh, 160 players 149 servers..... |
| 00:39.03 | spldart | some of us just don't know when to stop calling iterations of bzfs *hangs head low* |
| 00:39.06 | JeffM2501 | we realy should change the SF default image |
| 00:39.09 | JeffM2501 | and make it show the game |
| 00:39.22 | JeffM2501 | not an object I ganked from planet quake :) |
| 00:39.52 | brlcad | oh, the tree thing? |
| 00:39.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:40.02 | brlcad | it displays the last screenshot uploaded |
| 00:40.04 | JeffM2501 | and that shot has rendering bugs |
| 00:40.40 | JeffM2501 | good lord, you put my billboard up too? |
| 00:40.56 | spldart | Upload a screenie of LouMan stuff :D |
| 00:40.57 | JeffM2501 | tho those lights did come out cool :) |
| 00:41.17 | spldart | He's the bomb diggity |
| 00:41.35 | spldart | SF is SSSSLLLLOOOWWWW :( |
| 00:41.46 | JeffM2501 | 1/2 of them are my screenies too |
| 00:42.14 | JeffM2501 | wodner where that patlabor guy went |
| 00:42.23 | spldart | God I need to make my work machine a dual boot :( |
| 00:43.35 | brlcad | they do show a variety at least, and we're limited to 6 |
| 00:43.46 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 00:44.07 | spldart | BTW bzadmin 2.1 linux is WAY more stable than 2.1 windows |
| 00:47.28 | spldart | Actually.... bzflist kinda makes me sad.... |
| 00:47.40 | spldart | All this planet... and only 180 players online at this time? |
| 00:47.59 | JeffM2501 | on public servers using our list system |
| 00:48.00 | brlcad | there are about that many players on ALL the time |
| 00:48.01 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 00:48.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:48.04 | spldart | This is such a great game for a niche market |
| 00:48.16 | spldart | I understand.... |
| 00:48.21 | JeffM2501 | I figure there are about 5k players |
| 00:48.25 | JeffM2501 | total |
| 00:48.29 | brlcad | good estimate |
| 00:48.33 | brlcad | of active players, yeah |
| 00:48.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:48.45 | spldart | It just seems that a game this cool should have about a 1000 players all the time and 25000 or more that play in general |
| 00:48.52 | brlcad | and maybe a tenth are vocal |
| 00:49.00 | spldart | oh |
| 00:49.24 | JeffM2501 | if we wanted the game to be more popular, it'd have to have it's interface and docs cleaned up a bit |
| 00:49.30 | JeffM2501 | and then we'd have to push it |
| 00:49.34 | JeffM2501 | more /. |
| 00:49.38 | JeffM2501 | hit the webcomics up |
| 00:49.38 | spldart | Welll... one of the best games in existance is a well kept secret... unintentionally |
| 00:49.40 | JeffM2501 | stuff like that |
| 00:50.01 | spldart | I guess I understand |
| 00:50.43 | spldart | I guess if it got real big it might blip the scope of some of our providers too.... and certain ports would get blocked heheh |
| 00:50.46 | JeffM2501 | you also have to compare it to the numbers for other games |
| 00:51.02 | JeffM2501 | how many users do you think the most popular online game today has? |
| 00:51.02 | brlcad | infrastructure as it's current situated won't scale that well -- servers that allow too many players that flood they net connection, too few "popular" servers with no means to distribute load or encourage other server use, list server limitations, support limitations, etc |
| 00:51.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah a big push would fold us |
| 00:51.29 | JeffM2501 | quakeworld we ain't |
| 00:51.53 | brlcad | while seeing 50+ players on secretplace was cool after the last /.'ing, it wasn't really playable, it was chaos |
| 00:52.11 | brlcad | and that didn't even max the network pipe |
| 00:52.35 | spldart | I figured in a world of billions that a renound game would have users counts in the range I figured we deserve.... fold us? seems alot of the bandwidth is purchased by the bzfs people and the serverlist stuff is of course bzflag dev's |
| 00:52.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:52.43 | brlcad | the field is too small, yet make the field too big and it doesn't work for smaller teams |
| 00:52.43 | JeffM2501 | it's just not set up for masives |
| 00:53.00 | JeffM2501 | instanced zones :) |
| 00:53.36 | spldart | I guess I understand... well... I love it.... to bad the real world pulls me away as much as it does |
| 00:54.08 | spldart | I know I know... "we wish the real world pulled you away more spldart" hehe |
| 00:55.33 | spldart | btw.. how to I unpack a .tar.bz2? |
| 00:55.51 | spldart | I've not needed to do much of that :eek: |
| 00:55.54 | brlcad | tar jxvf |
| 00:55.59 | spldart | thanks |
| 00:56.16 | spldart | should I be sudo or just user |
| 00:56.33 | brlcad | if you have to ask whether you should sudo, you probably shouldn't sudo ;) |
| 00:56.42 | spldart | lol |
| 00:56.49 | spldart | sorry |
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| 00:56.53 | spldart | should I super user |
| 00:57.41 | spldart | I've got sudo setup so I can reboot and shutdown my rig as user cuz I hate su password everytime I reboot or shutdown |
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| 01:00.21 | bz5034 | hi all |
| 01:00.28 | Mr_Molez | hey |
| 01:00.59 | bz5034 | quick question, when im running the game it seems my screen is split up the middle :( |
| 01:01.21 | bz5034 | and i cant see anything to the right of me, which generally aint good! |
| 01:01.52 | Mr_Molez | umm, try deleting your config file, see if that helps |
| 01:02.00 | Mr_Molez | do you know where that is ? |
| 01:02.18 | bz5034 | not too sure |
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| 01:02.36 | Mr_Molez | are u on windows ? or linux ? |
| 01:02.48 | bz5034 | linux, ubuntu |
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| 01:03.40 | orchid | bz5034: mv ~/.bzf ~/.bzf.backup or somesuch |
| 01:04.07 | bz5034 | cheers, ill have a hoke around and see what i can come up with :D |
| 01:04.24 | orchid | bz5034: also your drivers are installed ok? |
| 01:05.56 | Thumper_ | bz5034: try bzflag -view normal |
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| 01:09.35 | spldart | i'm confused. is tar.bz2 zipped? if so with what do I unzip? |
| 01:09.44 | bz5034 | -view normal didnt work :( still hunting for config file tho |
| 01:10.23 | Thumper_ | spldart: bunzip |
| 01:11.06 | spldart | thought so... was hoping unzip from apt-get would work but no... couldn't find bunzip on apt-cache |
| 01:11.10 | Thumper_ | spldart: er bzunzip2 |
| 01:11.16 | Thumper_ | bleh |
| 01:11.18 | Thumper_ | bunzip2 |
| 01:11.47 | Thumper_ | in the bzip2 package |
| 01:12.11 | blast007 | or supply the -j paramater on the tar command |
| 01:12.24 | Thumper_ | blast007: willthat work if bzip2 isn't installed? |
| 01:12.51 | blast007 | it uses the bzip binaries afaik |
| 01:13.09 | spldart | got bzip... |
| 01:13.10 | blast007 | but I would hope his distro already has it |
| 01:13.54 | orchid | debian doesn't install bunzip2 in base afaik |
| 01:13.55 | bz5034 | deleted config file and still the same problem :( |
| 01:14.12 | blast007 | hmm, k |
| 01:14.49 | blast007 | I would have thought that tar, gzip, and bzip would all be essentials in a linux environment ;) |
| 01:16.04 | spldart | unzipped that bad boy |
| 01:16.25 | orchid | maybe his video card isnt set up right |
| 01:16.49 | bz5034 | ill try installing from source rather than from Synaptic |
| 01:17.31 | blast007 | what version of the game? |
| 01:17.58 | blast007 | not that it truely matters, since any version shouldn't really do that ;) |
| 01:18.09 | bz5034 | 2.0.4 |
| 01:18.13 | blast007 | k |
| 01:18.30 | bz5034 | whats the current version? |
| 01:19.12 | blast007 | 2.0.4 is the latest released version |
| 01:19.52 | bz5034 | mmmmmmmmm so graphics card you think? Its a shitty onboard one on my laptop |
| 01:20.12 | blast007 | could be graphics card then |
| 01:20.23 | blast007 | if you could, try running the game in 8-bit and see if that resolves the problem |
| 01:20.24 | spldart | Must....hit....computer.... |
| 01:20.34 | blast007 | it will jump down to software rending for that mode |
| 01:21.16 | blast007 | it will at least narrow down the video card problem |
| 01:21.22 | bz5034 | how do i get her to run in 8bit? |
| 01:21.27 | Thumper_ | try windowed mode vs fullscreen too |
| 01:23.53 | bz5034 | windowed mode seems to have done the trick |
| 01:24.06 | spldart | Tar Cowardly refusing to create and empty archive |
| 01:26.38 | orchid | what is the command your using |
| 01:27.33 | spldart | at first jxvf which gave a child returned status 2 |
| 01:28.01 | spldart | so then tried jcf |
| 01:28.07 | spldart | and got that error |
| 01:28.35 | orchid | is already decrompressed? |
| 01:29.00 | spldart | i decompressed it manualy |
| 01:29.19 | orchid | and what are you trying to do? |
| 01:29.24 | orchid | untar it now? |
| 01:29.30 | blast007 | decompressed with bunzip first? |
| 01:29.34 | orchid | you don't need the j then |
| 01:29.42 | spldart | yes bunzipped first |
| 01:29.46 | spldart | ok... |
| 01:29.53 | blast007 | yeah, the j would be if it was still a tar.bz2 |
| 01:31.05 | spldart | ok... lemme try a unzipped tar.bz2 then |
| 01:32.11 | spldart | It calls for an argument for f when I try jxvf on the tar.bz2 |
| 01:32.59 | orchid | yeah -f must have it's own arg, ie the file |
| 01:33.13 | menotume | tar jvzf tar.bz2 |
| 01:33.15 | spldart | Oh... I've got a syntax problem then |
| 01:33.20 | menotume | not < |
| 01:34.20 | spldart | Sexellent!!!! As my wife would say ;) |
| 01:34.25 | menotume | heh |
| 01:34.47 | spldart | I unpacked at the speed of LINT! |
| 01:36.47 | menotume | heh, you got it even though i made a typo, very good |
| 01:36.47 | menotume | tar jvxf tar.bz2 |
| 01:36.57 | spldart | I got it by sheer statistics... try enough syntax and one will prolly hit the spot |
| 01:37.19 | orchid | or man tar :) |
| 01:37.30 | spldart | heh |
| 01:37.37 | spldart | where did this unpack too :confusd: |
| 01:38.15 | Mr_Molez | menotume: can i have admin rights yet :P |
| 01:38.25 | orchid | if you used -v it will tell you |
| 01:38.26 | menotume | heh |
| 01:39.02 | Mr_Molez | menotume: oh come on, i think your sexy, you think im sexy, lets get it on :P |
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| 01:39.16 | CIA-2 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/client/ (inc/game.h inc/simpleGame.h src/simpleGame.cpp): keep track of where we are in the login pipe |
| 01:39.35 | spldart | got it |
| 01:41.20 | spldart | WARNING: adns seems to not be available on your syste.... should I worry? |
| 01:41.30 | menotume | nope |
| 01:42.44 | Mr_Molez | nope ? aww, dont wanna make me cry do u :((( |
| 01:43.38 | menotume | EVertone knows that I'm sexy, but i'm not into moles |
| 01:44.17 | Mr_Molez | ok. well, i guess ill just go get a tub of ice cream and drown away my sorrows on a league forum somewhere :(((( |
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| 02:01.13 | shorty114 | whoops forgot / |
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| 02:41.26 | orange | so, what, mr_molez is back as if nothing happened? |
| 02:41.54 | blast007 | yeah, I was wondering that too :/ |
| 02:42.50 | orange | the blog is still up, but with his name removed from it (they deleted that entry where they were exposed), so I'm wondering what is new |
| 02:43.51 | blast007 | that was removed in the last few hours |
| 02:44.00 | blast007 | I saw that earlier in the day |
| 02:46.30 | shorty114 | what happened? |
| 02:47.28 | JBdiGriz | There is a ban for aol which looks like it's for him. He's on a different connection. |
| 02:48.24 | JBdiGriz | His name is still on the web site, although he doesn't realize that DB was caught as well. |
| 02:56.57 | orchid | hehe, japanese sound pack for bzflag |
| 02:57.25 | orchid | http://sbz.j-mx.com/modules/mydownloads/ |
| 02:57.53 | orchid | flag_won.wv is cool |
| 02:57.58 | orchid | *wav |
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| 03:07.03 | lan56 | does anybody know if vc++ builds use sdl or directx? |
| 03:07.11 | DTRemenak | directx |
| 03:07.14 | lan56 | k thx |
| 03:07.22 | DTRemenak | we had an sdl target on vc6, but never moved it up |
| 03:07.39 | lan56 | any plans for the near future? |
| 03:07.46 | DTRemenak | not really, no |
| 03:07.56 | DTRemenak | but then, there are never any plans whatsoever ;) |
| 03:08.54 | lan56 | true :) |
| 03:14.47 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03lan56 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzadmin-pdcurses.dev bzadmin.dev bzflag.dev bzfs.dev): get rid of -lcurldll and add -lsdlmain. the dev-c++ update download thing includes libcurldll.a but the ones from curl.haxx.se don't, and opposite thing for libsdlmain.a |
| 03:24.24 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/README.DEVC++: update curl link and offer solutions for huwnet's errors |
| 03:31.53 | shorty114 | #commits |
| 03:32.02 | shorty114 | err whoops |
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| 06:16.49 | spldart | just rearranged the entire room.... http://67.10.221.4:91/newhomedesktop.jpg |
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| 06:31.47 | spldart | I noticed in 1.10 source there is no usual bzfs in bzflag/src/bzfs/ .... what up with that? |
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| 06:35.35 | BenUrban | is there an unusual one in there? |
| 06:36.35 | spldart | so if you run cvs -d:............bzflag co bzflag in the same directory as an old one it just updates what is different? |
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| 06:46.13 | brlcad | spldart: what a horrible chair :) |
| 06:49.47 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzadmin.dev bzflag.dev): the same ol' libcurldll and libsdlmain stuff |
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| 06:51.06 | lan56 | would it be cheating if the client were to say how many people are active and spawned? |
| 06:51.44 | lan56 | like if there are 10 players on a team (which the client tells the user), and 2 are paused, 1 hasn't spawned, so the client tells the user that there are only 7 spawned active players |
| 06:59.36 | spldart | gah... everybody is a critic.... of my chair :~) |
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| 07:04.29 | spldart | ah man!!!! |
| 07:04.53 | spldart | II just started a build and dunno if I got that bzadmin stuff |
| 07:04.56 | spldart | grr. |
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| 09:26.27 | ndim | Ciao BE! |
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| 10:04.15 | LePoulpe303 | hi all |
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| 12:49.26 | Teppic | Anyone know what shear does to meshes? |
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| 14:20.38 | LePoulpe303 | anyone using linux is awake ? |
| 14:21.08 | Teppic | ya |
| 14:21.28 | LePoulpe303 | do u have python installed ? |
| 14:21.32 | Teppic | ya |
| 14:21.57 | LePoulpe303 | ok ; would you mind "testing" my software to see if all i sok for u? |
| 14:22.04 | Teppic | sure |
| 14:22.07 | LePoulpe303 | http://bzmanager.blogspot.com/ |
| 14:23.12 | spldart | .> anyone who needs to experiment or test client... I have 2.0.x and 2.1.x absolute latest ver bzfs compiled last night running.... |
| 14:24.50 | LePoulpe303 | Teppic : the only thing you maybe need is wxpython |
| 14:27.56 | LePoulpe303 | i would like a windows tester too |
| 14:28.00 | LePoulpe303 | if anyone interested |
| 14:30.45 | spldart | I'm downloading it but don't have alot of time to test till this evening.... I'll try to get it on my work machine today and play with it but work has to be slow enough |
| 14:30.51 | spldart | Windows |
| 14:31.08 | spldart | linux version I couldn't help at all till tonight |
| 14:31.15 | spldart | being a guinea pig |
| 14:31.46 | LePoulpe303 | spldart : no problem , all you can bring is bonus for me :) put any remarks by email (see README) |
| 14:32.07 | spldart | K |
| 14:32.19 | LePoulpe303 | (theorically , making windows version work is a joke ; the problem is linux ;) ) |
| 14:32.25 | spldart | ah |
| 14:32.33 | spldart | well... sounds fast enough to test at work |
| 14:33.23 | Teppic | can'test for about an hour. |
| 14:33.37 | Teppic | can't test* |
| 14:34.51 | LePoulpe303 | Teppic ; no prob ; if i'm not available please email me (i'll be back on irc for sure on monday) |
| 14:35.52 | spldart | hrm... use the email on the blogspot.com? |
| 14:37.16 | LePoulpe303 | hmmmm lemme check ;) |
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| 14:54.40 | spldart | g2g 2 work |
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| 15:02.27 | Teppic | LePoulpe303 you still there? |
| 15:03.25 | LePoulpe303 | Teppic : yes i do |
| 15:03.41 | Teppic | Trying to get wxpython to work, no luck yet. |
| 15:03.57 | LePoulpe303 | pffff always same sh.t |
| 15:04.30 | LePoulpe303 | windows installation time : 1 min , download included ; linux : 1 day , or , never |
| 15:05.33 | Teppic | Its the libpango gtk bindings, I have gtk 2.6 on this machine, the other one has no wxpython, and I accidentally mutilated the portage tree |
| 15:07.10 | LePoulpe303 | damn ; would not be at your place actually :D |
| 15:07.45 | Teppic | Fixed, and installing now........ |
| 15:09.12 | LePoulpe303 | i use windows at work and since a few month linux at home ; but my hands are sometimes shaking when i'm using my home pc :) |
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| 15:16.02 | LePoulpe303 | Teppic : please download package again |
| 15:18.35 | Teppic | ok |
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| 15:26.25 | LePoulpe303 | Teppic : btw which distro do u use ? |
| 15:26.32 | Teppic | gentoo |
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| 15:48.38 | spldart | Got new win ver to download LePoulpe303? |
| 15:49.42 | LePoulpe303 | spldart : yes |
| 15:49.45 | LePoulpe303 | go for it |
| 15:49.49 | LePoulpe303 | shoudl be ok now |
| 15:49.54 | LePoulpe303 | (crossing fingers) |
| 15:50.10 | spldart | getting now |
| 15:51.13 | spldart | :( |
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| 16:01.35 | spldart | hrm... must be forgettings something.... it says configuration not complete |
| 16:01.42 | spldart | icon errror fixed though :) |
| 16:06.47 | Deepa | ~bzfquery armchairs.be:5154 |
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| 16:49.03 | spldart | BTW.. the button problem on machine with 800x600 res and buttons fine on 1024x768 res machine |
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| 16:49.12 | spldart | >LePoulpe |
| 16:49.57 | Nino | hi all |
| 16:50.21 | spldart | Hi |
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| 17:20.04 | bz5776 | hello , i was in yesterday with a problem that my screen wasnt showing me the full picture but it works onkay in windows mode |
| 17:20.24 | bz5776 | sorry windowed mode , im running on linux |
| 17:23.29 | spldart | have you had any progress? |
| 17:23.37 | bz5776 | nope :( |
| 17:23.48 | bz5776 | someone mentioned 8bit mode? |
| 17:23.59 | spldart | are you using the graphics card acceleration or is it defaulting to cpu rendering? |
| 17:24.24 | spldart | Is the card driver install right? agpgart? stuff like that? |
| 17:24.34 | bz5776 | *stares blankly* lol im just running using 2bzflag" |
| 17:24.52 | bz5776 | yeah i can run "GLXGEARS" and it displays okay |
| 17:24.53 | spldart | linux? distro? WM? |
| 17:25.01 | bz5776 | yes is Ubuntu |
| 17:25.01 | spldart | Gears.... KDE? |
| 17:25.09 | spldart | ah |
| 17:25.16 | spldart | lemme me check something |
| 17:25.21 | bz5776 | thanks :D |
| 17:25.42 | bz5776 | really want to get this going , mates beside me on my windows maching am busting to get shooting him!!!! |
| 17:26.30 | spldart | what was your card? |
| 17:26.32 | spldart | video |
| 17:28.11 | bz5776 | Intel one ill just double check |
| 17:31.27 | bz5776 | tel® Graphics Media Accelerator 900TM integrated graphics with up to 128MB shared system memory |
| 17:31.27 | spldart | Have you run lspci in terminal? (or whateva similar app) to determine if everyting is ther and installed correc tly |
| 17:31.27 | spldart | ah |
| 17:31.27 | spldart | guess you have |
| 17:31.32 | spldart | is that intergrated or card? |
| 17:31.39 | spldart | and does linux see and id it at all? |
| 17:32.22 | bz5776 | according to lspci: |
| 17:32.25 | bz5776 | 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. Mobile Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
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| 17:33.54 | bz5776 | ive had americas army working with no problems |
| 17:33.57 | spldart | harumph |
| 17:34.04 | spldart | yeah... I can see that now |
| 17:34.15 | spldart | What version of BZ? |
| 17:34.56 | spldart | bzflag doesn't say anything like mesa indirect when you start the client does it? |
| 17:34.57 | bz5776 | the latest: bzflag-2.0.4.20050930 |
| 17:35.11 | bz5776 | nope it just loads up with no problems |
| 17:35.21 | spldart | You can get 2.0.5b4 from bzbb.org |
| 17:35.32 | spldart | not that that will fix your problem or anything |
| 17:36.15 | spldart | oops... b5 http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=6661 |
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| 17:36.35 | spldart | but... do you build? |
| 17:36.59 | bz5776 | yeah, i followed a guide that made a DEB from the source |
| 17:37.07 | bz5776 | it installed with no problems |
| 17:37.20 | bz5776 | its wierd how it works in windowed mode but not full screen |
| 17:37.32 | spldart | yeah... |
| 17:37.45 | spldart | You got me stumped... but I'm not the best help by ANY means |
| 17:37.50 | bz5776 | ill take a look on the ubuntu forms to see if i need anything for the graphics cards |
| 17:37.57 | bz5776 | heh any help is good help!!!!! |
| 17:38.29 | spldart | I'd try a build square of the v2_0branch and see if anything changes just to try it.. but probably wont fix it.. |
| 17:38.55 | bz5776 | v2_obranch? |
| 17:39.36 | spldart | off cvs |
| 17:39.52 | spldart | ummm |
| 17:40.10 | bz5776 | linux vigin here lol |
| 17:40.20 | spldart | when you logged in CVS HEAD is now 2.1 unstable, commit stable to v2_0branch was part of the header |
| 17:40.25 | spldart | oh... sorry |
| 17:40.33 | spldart | I'm not much more than a n00b myself |
| 17:40.50 | spldart | lemme look for a tutorial and you can decide for yourself if you wanna attempt it |
| 17:42.17 | spldart | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=21 .... but sub the v2_0 for v1_7 and there might be a couple other small diff's.... but you get the idea of what is involved with making your own latest version |
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| 17:44.10 | bz5776 | ill take a look for the drivers for the display first i have a funny feeling they could be messing me around |
| 17:44.50 | spldart | yeah... more likely the case |
| 17:45.09 | spldart | but still with other games working... just dunno |
| 17:45.25 | bz5776 | back in a bit gonna boot into windows to check the cards version |
| 17:47.56 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/plugins/nagware/ (CHANGELOG.txt nagware.cpp CHANGELOG.txt nagware.cpp): Only kick one player at a time. |
| 17:48.11 | orange | yay |
| 17:49.46 | menotume | i did v2_0branch too, but CIA didn't pick up on it ... hmm |
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| 17:58.11 | menotume | ohh, CIA got confused |
| 17:58.47 | menotume | not good to commit both at same time i guess |
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| 18:05.52 | spldart | question... if I'm booted linux and intend to build 2.0 and 2.1 (hypothetically speaking) at the same time..... And say I'm using screen to come up with like a couple three terminals. Can I anonymous login once and then download in two seperate 'screens' the two different bzflag's... v2_0 and 2_1 with the cvs -z3 thingy |
| 18:11.40 | brlcad | menotume: how so? |
| 18:11.48 | brlcad | ahh, repeat |
| 18:12.05 | menotume | same commit to head and v2_0 |
| 18:12.09 | brlcad | it consolidates messages for files that have the same log message |
| 18:12.13 | menotume | at almost the same time |
| 18:12.24 | menotume | ahhh |
| 18:12.28 | brlcad | the other probably should have been "merged from head" ;) |
| 18:12.38 | brlcad | or vice-versa |
| 18:12.42 | menotume | gotya |
| 18:12.56 | brlcad | you did, just by hand ;) |
| 18:13.02 | menotume | :) |
| 18:13.16 | brlcad | nothing wrong with a manual merge, just slightly more work |
| 18:13.30 | menotume | ya, was a one-line change |
| 18:13.43 | orange | it's all my fault |
| 18:13.44 | menotume | nect time i'll merge though |
| 18:13.56 | orchid | spldart: yes |
| 18:13.59 | menotume | orange: yes |
| 18:14.02 | brlcad | hmm.. i wonder if i should risk commiting the new plugin build system |
| 18:14.11 | brlcad | haven't tested it heavily yet |
| 18:14.18 | menotume | hmmm, to head only perhaps |
| 18:14.29 | brlcad | it's already head-only |
| 18:14.32 | menotume | then, i'll test it on FC3 |
| 18:14.36 | brlcad | not a big change either way |
| 18:14.45 | menotume | ohh |
| 18:14.50 | brlcad | it's just whether the plugins actually work :) |
| 18:14.56 | menotume | ohh :( |
| 18:17.33 | spldart | thanks orchid |
| 18:18.10 | menotume | brlcad: do i need configure --enabled-shared in head ? |
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| 18:18.32 | bz9504 | me again (wierd window boy) |
| 18:18.45 | bz9504 | figures ill just run it in windowed mode |
| 18:19.04 | bz9504 | cant find the graphics drivers, how do i get up the geometry its atad confusing |
| 18:19.10 | brlcad | menotume: not with this new one |
| 18:19.15 | menotume | okies, good |
| 18:19.16 | brlcad | (part of the point) |
| 18:19.22 | menotume | ya, kewl |
| 18:19.29 | brlcad | and to add a new plugin, you don't edit anything outside of plugins/ |
| 18:20.45 | menotume | and no need to re-autogen if one is added ? |
| 18:22.39 | brlcad | yes and no |
| 18:23.31 | spldart | -geometry widthxheight[{+|-}x{+|-}y] ??? |
| 18:23.33 | brlcad | don't need to run the long the top-level autogen.sh |
| 18:24.12 | menotume | hmm, i still see plugins in configure.ac |
| 18:24.38 | menotume | but, missing my nagware |
| 18:24.50 | brlcad | did you ever add it? |
| 18:24.56 | menotume | hmm, i should update |
| 18:24.58 | menotume | i think so |
| 18:25.15 | menotume | but, shouldn't be need now, right ? |
| 18:25.38 | brlcad | well, i haven't commited it yet |
| 18:25.43 | brlcad | if I do, you won't need ti |
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| 18:25.56 | menotume | <brlcad> it's already head-only |
| 18:26.03 | menotume | i misunderstood :) |
| 18:26.05 | brlcad | the modification was made to head |
| 18:26.08 | menotume | gotya |
| 18:26.11 | bz9504 | thats the one spldart :D |
| 18:26.12 | brlcad | head sources |
| 18:26.15 | brlcad | just not committed |
| 18:26.21 | bz9504 | how do i use it? |
| 18:26.31 | spldart | >bz9504 -geometry [widthxheight] work for yah |
| 18:26.43 | menotume | ok, well when you commit, THEN i'll test it :) |
| 18:27.21 | spldart | -geometry [640x480] or [1024x768] or whateva been to long since i tried this |
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| 18:27.37 | brlcad | JeffM2501: happy friday monsignour |
| 18:27.51 | bz9504 | Correct format is <width>x<height>[ |-]<x>[ |-]<y>. |
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| 18:28.36 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:28.46 | JeffM2501 | how is it in the wired today? |
| 18:28.56 | spldart | Might need to -window -geometry [XxY] |
| 18:28.58 | bz9504 | whats the second X / Y for? |
| 18:29.03 | brlcad | so far, all is good |
| 18:29.06 | spldart | just some examples |
| 18:29.08 | spldart | use one |
| 18:29.11 | spldart | oh |
| 18:29.15 | spldart | iknow what your asking |
| 18:29.31 | spldart | it pre positiions the window on your screen |
| 18:29.56 | spldart | set resolution 1/4 full and place in the llower right hand corner.... using the numbers |
| 18:30.03 | spldart | or whatever you want |
| 18:30.23 | brlcad | the -window doesn't have anything much to do with -geometry, it just means make a window instead of full-screen and retain current resolution |
| 18:30.24 | JeffM2501 | ahh the joys of geting paid to watch regresions run, and play with legos |
| 18:30.28 | bz9504 | i was gonna run it in windowed mode that took up all the screen |
| 18:30.35 | brlcad | -geometry is the size of the bzflag context |
| 18:31.04 | spldart | jury rig fix a display problem |
| 18:31.37 | spldart | so the window size cannot be varied? |
| 18:31.42 | brlcad | standard X11 -geometry syntax |
| 18:31.49 | spldart | ah |
| 18:31.56 | brlcad | spldart: yes it can, -geometry modifies the window size |
| 18:32.26 | bz9504 | so were looking a -windowed followed by a -geometry |
| 18:32.35 | spldart | sounds like you have your option bz9504 |
| 18:32.41 | brlcad | you just can't simultaneously change the display resolution AND change the window geometry |
| 18:32.56 | spldart | work demands my attention |
| 18:32.56 | brlcad | that's something outside bz's perveyance |
| 18:33.37 | bz9504 | basically i cant run the game in full screen, for some reason 3/4 of the screen is messed up |
| 18:33.51 | bz9504 | but when it run it in windowed mode it runs okay |
| 18:34.26 | spldart | he's ubuntu |
| 18:34.32 | brlcad | which 3/4 ? |
| 18:34.42 | spldart | vid card recognized and drivers seems ok |
| 18:34.47 | spldart | other games work |
| 18:35.26 | bz9504 | i would have to be wierd wouldnt i lol |
| 18:36.34 | spldart | hehe |
| 18:36.46 | bz9504 | so can i run it windowed and change the size? |
| 18:38.46 | brlcad | yes |
| 18:38.52 | brlcad | the window is resizable |
| 18:39.07 | brlcad | it will use whatever your current video display size is set to |
| 18:39.11 | bz9504 | and the syntax for the geometry settings? |
| 18:39.23 | brlcad | go with something low |
| 18:39.34 | brlcad | maybe -window -geometry 640x480 |
| 18:39.42 | brlcad | and then resize the window to taste |
| 18:39.54 | brlcad | presuming your display is at least 640x480 |
| 18:39.58 | Legoguy | boot ol lasermania died :P |
| 18:40.03 | Legoguy | good* |
| 18:40.13 | brlcad | it did? |
| 18:40.17 | brlcad | how so? |
| 18:40.23 | Legoguy | server froze |
| 18:40.32 | Legoguy | everyone went nr, can't connect anymore |
| 18:40.56 | brlcad | what port was it? |
| 18:41.00 | bz9504 | yeah my displat is something liek 128 X 800 |
| 18:41.05 | bz9504 | *1280 |
| 18:42.15 | spldart | laptop? |
| 18:42.20 | bz9504 | wyep |
| 18:42.23 | brlcad | so yeah, that should be fine |
| 18:42.25 | brlcad | how's it work? |
| 18:43.04 | spldart | growl. snarl... could be an oddball screen resolution inherent to that machine.... |
| 18:43.12 | bz9504 | it dosent lol |
| 18:43.23 | bz9504 | bzflag -window -geometry 1280X800 give me errors |
| 18:43.39 | bz9504 | Correct format is <width>x<height>[ |-]<x>[ |-]<y> |
| 18:43.48 | bz9504 | :'( |
| 18:44.17 | brlcad | not X .. x |
| 18:44.31 | brlcad | and try 640x480 first :P |
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| 18:44.50 | brlcad | ooh |
| 18:44.57 | tankitty | hey |
| 18:45.07 | JeffM2501 | best way to get bit |
| 18:45.28 | bz9504 | yeah 640X480 works a treat :D |
| 18:45.33 | spldart | lol |
| 18:45.38 | bz9504 | as does 800X600 |
| 18:46.07 | brlcad | is there are reason you keep using X instead of x? :) |
| 18:46.32 | bz9504 | gentlemen i love you all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:46.39 | spldart | LOL |
| 18:46.41 | bz9504 | damn case sensitive X |
| 18:46.51 | bz9504 | what does it think it is java!!!!!! |
| 18:46.53 | bz9504 | lol |
| 18:47.31 | tankitty | I prefer 2024x1536 |
| 18:47.41 | tankitty | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.00 | JeffM2501 | 3200x1200 |
| 18:48.52 | brlcad | too many "!"'s and lol's |
| 18:49.45 | JeffM2501 | AOL munchkins unite! |
| 18:49.54 | brlcad | lol! |
| 18:49.54 | brlcad | :) |
| 18:50.10 | JeffM2501 | ROTFLMAOTAPOTC!!!! |
| 18:50.23 | spldart | bz9504.... |
| 18:50.37 | spldart | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75465.html |
| 18:52.07 | spldart | munchkins, spriptkiddies and l337 h@x04s unite.... err uh.... wait |
| 18:52.41 | bz9504 | lol |
| 18:52.46 | bz9504 | !!!1111!!!!!111 |
| 18:52.49 | bz9504 | ;) |
| 18:53.14 | bz9504 | i take it the linux and windows versions of BZflag are cross compatible? |
| 18:53.35 | spldart | all 2.0.x can play 2.0.x if that's what your asking |
| 18:53.38 | JeffM2501 | they are just difrent builds |
| 18:53.50 | spldart | well.... almost all hehe |
| 18:54.15 | bz9504 | score so i can set a server up on my windows box and join from the linux, just using the network IP? |
| 18:54.27 | spldart | yes |
| 18:54.38 | spldart | I do a mixed lan and have no problems |
| 18:56.24 | JeffM2501 | tho you will want to do it the other way around :) |
| 18:56.31 | JeffM2501 | linux makes a better server |
| 18:57.07 | spldart | YES |
| 19:01.17 | blast007 | also that link that spldart posted was unrelated to this problem |
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| 19:23.52 | Deepa | is tehre any good map editor for linux :>? |
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| 19:23.57 | Deepa | i mean as in... "easy to use" |
| 19:24.19 | blast007 | Deepa: depends what kind of map you want to make |
| 19:24.21 | Deepa | and TimRiker i just noticed a text in the BZFlag game, and now my whole clan wants a autograph :> |
| 19:24.30 | Deepa | blast007: actually it doesnt matter, but its to bzflag |
| 19:24.33 | Teppic | Deepa bzfed |
| 19:24.44 | Deepa | kk |
| 19:25.05 | Teppic | Probably not. |
| 19:25.38 | Deepa | didnt work :( |
| 19:26.07 | Teppic | http://sf.gds.tuwien.ac.at/b/bz/bzfed/bzfed-0.1.tar.gz |
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| 19:26.30 | Deepa | thank you |
| 19:28.03 | blast007 | http://www.bzfed.org/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=5&MMN_position=10:10 |
| 19:28.34 | blast007 | shows you the requirements, if that's not already in the source tar somewhere |
| 19:30.34 | spldart | cool a new editor to try out :) I'll use that to customize the decks map :) |
| 19:34.13 | blast007 | one thing you might want to do with Decks is make any pyramids above the ground be drivethrough/shootthrough |
| 19:34.37 | blast007 | 1.7 was like that, where only pyramids on the ground were solid |
| 19:34.45 | Teppic | Its just a gtk version of bzedit. |
| 19:34.57 | spldart | Ok... but I also wanted to add a mote |
| 19:35.07 | spldart | :) |
| 19:35.19 | Teppic | Or maybe qt, I dont remember..... |
| 19:37.51 | Deepa | Teppic: /me likes GTK |
| 19:37.53 | Deepa | :> |
| 19:38.51 | Teppic | But all the best RAD IDE progs are for qt. |
| 19:39.12 | Teppic | ^^ me thinks gtk must be better ^^ |
| 19:41.48 | orchid | hmm libgtkglext1-dev and libgtkglext1 don't seem to provide gtkglext |
| 19:42.48 | Teppic | I've had untold grief with gtkglext and gtkglarea in the past. |
| 19:42.55 | orchid | libgtkglext1 1.0.6-2.0.1 OpenGL Extension to GTK |
| 19:43.31 | orchid | checking for GtkGLExt - version >= 1.0.6... no |
| 19:43.47 | Teppic | did you just instal it? |
| 19:44.08 | Deepa | ~bzfquery armchairs.be:5154 |
| 19:44.11 | Deepa | i havent yet |
| 19:44.41 | orchid | Teppic: yes |
| 19:45.03 | Teppic | ld.so.update? |
| 19:45.20 | JeffM2501 | is it bad for game models to be inspired by legos? |
| 19:45.36 | orchid | shouldnt need to, dpkg would do that |
| 19:45.36 | Teppic | Nah, proffesional architects use it all the time.... |
| 19:45.39 | Legoguy | no. |
| 19:45.41 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:46.08 | Legoguy | http://www.mm2c.com/files/cars/pics/legocart.gif <--- i made that for MM2 ;P |
| 19:46.57 | Deepa | blast007: the "INSTALL" doesnt work :( |
| 19:46.59 | Deepa | no autogen.sh |
| 19:52.45 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Deepa: Are you on Ubuntu? |
| 19:53.46 | Deepa | nope |
| 19:53.50 | Deepa | debian 3.1 |
| 19:53.51 | Deepa | sarge |
| 19:54.02 | JeffM2501 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/01-20-06_1147.jpg |
| 19:54.17 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Deepa: ok, then... I just installed it on Ubuntu, so thought I might be able to help. |
| 19:54.20 | PuMpErNiCkLe | >_< |
| 19:54.41 | Deepa | PuMpErNiCkLe: :> |
| 19:54.47 | Deepa | did you end up with not having a libary you HAVE? |
| 19:55.06 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Deepa: Yeah, it needed the -dev package |
| 19:55.39 | Deepa | ill haxxor it then |
| 19:55.47 | PuMpErNiCkLe | libgnomeui-dev libgnome2-dev libgtkglext1-dev |
| 19:55.50 | Deepa | brb 2 mins - 4 years |
| 19:56.34 | trepan | JeffM2501: modern Legos suck |
| 19:56.52 | trepan | then again, i'm re-reading Microserfs, so i'm prolly biased |
| 19:57.01 | Deepa | trepan: hah! i got... OLD lego |
| 19:57.07 | Deepa | feel owned :> |
| 19:57.09 | Legoguy | i have a lot of technic |
| 19:57.15 | Deepa | Legoguy: same here tho :( |
| 19:57.17 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:57.18 | Legoguy | not the fancy new pieces |
| 19:57.24 | menotume | erector sets ruled |
| 19:57.25 | Legoguy | but the classic technic |
| 19:57.30 | Legoguy | the most useful technic :P |
| 19:57.35 | Deepa | :> |
| 19:57.58 | Deepa | PuMpErNiCkLe: i haxxored it, now its working |
| 19:57.58 | Deepa | i have no idea what i did |
| 19:57.58 | Legoguy | i did sign up for LEGO's developer program to test the new Mindstorms NXT |
| 19:57.59 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Deepa: oh, cool ^^ |
| 19:57.59 | Deepa | but i seem to have changed 284 lines in the configure :/ |
| 19:58.04 | Legoguy | cant wait to find out if im picked :D |
| 19:58.11 | Deepa | Legoguy: :> |
| 19:58.14 | Deepa | how old are you btw? |
| 19:58.19 | Legoguy | 18 |
| 19:58.25 | Deepa | ok, then its not too late for me yet :> |
| 19:58.27 | JeffM2501 | well the hoverbike still looks good I think |
| 19:58.28 | Legoguy | lol |
| 19:58.43 | Deepa | however i dont have any lego pieces left :/ |
| 19:58.47 | Legoguy | hehe |
| 19:58.49 | Deepa | i spent em all like 4 years ago |
| 19:58.55 | JeffM2501 | this other one has the best lego flame thrower I've ever seen |
| 19:58.55 | Deepa | on building something just screaming... |
| 19:59.04 | Deepa | "LOOKS LIKE A SPACESHIP BUT IS A COW!!1!" |
| 19:59.07 | Legoguy | i think one of the main qualifying factors is owning the last Mindstorms as well |
| 19:59.13 | Legoguy | as I do |
| 19:59.19 | JeffM2501 | they have new mindstorms |
| 19:59.24 | JeffM2501 | have you seen em? |
| 19:59.25 | Teppic | Trepan, did you write the mesh generation routines for the sphere object? |
| 19:59.31 | Legoguy | thats what im talking about jeff..... |
| 19:59.37 | trepan | Teppic: yup |
| 19:59.43 | JeffM2501 | they white one, or the yellow one? |
| 19:59.48 | Legoguy | white |
| 19:59.54 | JeffM2501 | it looks cool |
| 20:00.08 | Teppic | What kind of sphere is it, I wrote the script to do an ico sphere and there were too many faces? |
| 20:00.09 | Legoguy | <Legoguy> i did sign up for LEGO's developer program to test the new Mindstorms NXT <-- you missed that jeff |
| 20:03.21 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:03.21 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 20:03.30 | JeffM2501 | starvin |
| 20:03.44 | brlcad | starvin marvin |
| 20:07.49 | spldart | you read my mind.... while you were in there did you find my keys? |
| 20:09.52 | trepan | Teppic: huh? more octahedron based, as is plainly visible by looking at one (flatshading or wireframe) |
| 20:10.13 | Teppic | How do i see them like that? |
| 20:11.26 | trepan | what are you trying to do? |
| 20:11.47 | Teppic | Import to blender, I have to define the mesh from verts and faces. |
| 20:12.09 | trepan | use /saveworld -o <filename> |
| 20:12.14 | trepan | blender can import OBJs |
| 20:12.21 | Teppic | I get some gist from going close on the radar, but I need more to do the maths. |
| 20:12.31 | trepan | (assuming your client is new enough) |
| 20:12.45 | Legoguy | :O direct export to obj? sweet |
| 20:13.07 | Teppic | How can i get your sphere into blender? |
| 20:13.21 | trepan | reread the last few lines |
| 20:13.26 | trepan | repeat as necessary |
| 20:13.41 | Teppic | Sry, didn't see that, small window. |
| 20:14.59 | trepan | or just make your maps in blender, why bother importing bz generated prims.? |
| 20:15.33 | Teppic | For continuity, and greater flexibility. |
| 20:16.11 | Teppic | To be honest it's only a representaion, on export it becomes a bz object again. |
| 20:16.18 | Legoguy | wait a sec... you're suggesting using blender to make maps when primitives are clearly more efficient for some things? |
| 20:16.29 | Teppic | But if people use the meshes in blender for allignment.... |
| 20:17.23 | Teppic | That is why I will import primatives to a mesh object, contauining the bz objects properties, then export them as prims afetr modification. |
| 20:17.37 | Teppic | containing* |
| 20:17.38 | Legoguy | sorry im left a little behind, the last map i made for 2.0 was caverns+overlord x_x |
| 20:18.51 | Teppic | The point is that making a map entirely of mesh objects is inefficient, so represent the specific bz objects accurately then they can be exported as such. |
| 20:21.52 | trepan | Teppic: prims don't currently have all of the features of drawInfos (which require mesh specifications) |
| 20:22.16 | trepan | but as no-one would use them properly, i'm in no mood to release a tool to assist making them anyways :) |
| 20:22.18 | Teppic | That info can't be updated in the blender interface |
| 20:22.36 | trepan | it could be |
| 20:22.42 | Teppic | How? |
| 20:23.10 | Teppic | The documentaion on it is a bit light, and the naming convention is not intuitive to me. |
| 20:23.20 | trepan | it doesn't matter |
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| 20:24.19 | Teppic | Plus, ATM, im working to the bzw man for 2.0.4. Th rest can come later ;) |
| 20:25.28 | Teppic | The mesh from a /saveworld -o is mangled after import. |
| 20:26.08 | Legoguy | wait youre saying blender has a bzw export that supports primitives? ive been left way behind =o |
| 20:26.26 | trepan | forgot, blender OBJ import script can't handle negative indices |
| 20:26.30 | Teppic | Not ATM, I'm writing it as we speak |
| 20:26.39 | Legoguy | that will rock |
| 20:27.19 | Legoguy | has there been anything done to alleviate the stickyness of meshes, maybe like, a 'slippery' flag or something |
| 20:27.35 | Teppic | Stickyness?? |
| 20:27.43 | Legoguy | like |
| 20:28.22 | spldart | hrm.. gotta map idea brewing too |
| 20:28.30 | Legoguy | well in Caverns you could easily get stuck on the inside walls of the main 'hole'... they were essentially vertical polygons but you got stuck if you touched them |
| 20:29.27 | Teppic | I found that mesh faces that are two sided (ie defined clockwise and counter clockwise) do that more than single sided faces. |
| 20:29.36 | Legoguy | speaking of caverns, i haven't had that map up for ages :/ |
| 20:30.01 | Teppic | My sister used to get the same problems with the physics engine the game she wrote for too |
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| 20:32.29 | Teppic | Icosphere it is then...... |
| 20:35.05 | Teppic | Trepan, last thought, where and how readable are the generation routines in the source? |
| 20:37.03 | brlcad | map download size would be an order of magnitude less depending on the prims |
| 20:37.36 | brlcad | not so much for a sphere of course |
| 20:37.59 | Teppic | Exactly, when I was testing the last exporter, with huge meshes, I saved over 200k by taking out the indentaion. |
| 20:38.30 | brlcad | that's a little separate issue ;) |
| 20:39.33 | Teppic | Plus creating uv cords and matrefs for 'applied' textures to meshes takes up laods of room, why bother when bzflag will do this for tou. |
| 20:39.36 | brlcad | as it is a text format, all the usual text-condensing tricks work regardless of mesh/prims |
| 20:40.13 | trepan | Teppic: well, it's got a beat, but you can't dance to it |
| 20:40.20 | trepan | Teppic: read it yourself and find out |
| 20:40.31 | Teppic | What am i grepping for? |
| 20:42.39 | trepan | src/obstacle/SphereObstacle.cxx |
| 20:42.45 | Teppic | ty |
| 20:44.21 | Teppic | Cool, I can paraphrase that in .py, thx. :-) |
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| 21:01.37 | gsnedders | i can't get to cvs... "cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server " |
| 21:01.56 | gsnedders | *(anon CVS) |
| 21:02.07 | gsnedders | I can get on dev CVS on other projects |
| 21:02.16 | TD-Linux | same here |
| 21:02.18 | TD-Linux | different error |
| 21:02.35 | TD-Linux | but it is happening a lot recently |
| 21:02.40 | gsnedders | yeah |
| 21:02.41 | gsnedders | :( |
| 21:02.46 | TD-Linux | just try every 5 minutes until it magically works |
| 21:02.54 | gsnedders | my client can't get the list server |
| 21:02.56 | TD-Linux | and if it works, it only works for a tiny time before it breaks again |
| 21:08.25 | gsnedders | w00t |
| 21:08.29 | gsnedders | gotcha. |
| 21:09.06 | TD-Linux | I'm waiting too, my source of 2.0 has broken 3D |
| 21:21.38 | JeffM2501 | anon can be wierd when it syncs to dev |
| 21:22.46 | TD-Linux | I think it takes so long to sync that by the time it's done, it's almost time to sync again |
| 21:23.10 | TD-Linux | becuase it is usually down for several hours |
| 21:24.16 | JeffM2501 | that may be |
| 21:24.28 | JeffM2501 | they probbly need more machines |
| 21:25.37 | TD-Linux | seems like they could do a buffer type thing |
| 21:25.42 | spldart | I had a helluva time cvs'ing bz last night :( |
| 21:26.04 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure they do what they can with the resources they have |
| 21:26.09 | JeffM2501 | you could help them ya know |
| 21:26.28 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 21:27.01 | spldart | I found that repeated attempts using the arrow up down key to bring the line back up in succession would abruptly make a connnection once the download started to then it was fine |
| 21:27.14 | spldart | Donate some more? to CVS? |
| 21:28.31 | JeffM2501 | donations help them |
| 21:28.31 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure there are other was |
| 21:28.31 | JeffM2501 | ways |
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| 21:29.19 | TD-Linux | the cheapest way would be to have two copies of anonymous cvs, when a copy was being updated the cvs server could switch to the other copy |
| 21:30.04 | bz3057 | bzflag -view stereo |
| 21:30.27 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, and telling us makes that happen how? |
| 21:30.34 | bz3057 | Could not set Video Mode is my result |
| 21:30.51 | TD-Linux | bz3057: bzflag -view normal to fix it |
| 21:30.53 | JeffM2501 | then your video mode could not be set |
| 21:31.01 | bz3057 | what do i need to play stereo? |
| 21:31.11 | JeffM2501 | a card and driver that supports it probably |
| 21:31.38 | JeffM2501 | we asked open GL to set a contect with it, but it said "no" |
| 21:31.42 | JeffM2501 | what card do you have? |
| 21:31.47 | bz3057 | i have a gforce4mmx |
| 21:31.58 | JeffM2501 | what driver? |
| 21:32.21 | bz3057 | driver ati |
| 21:32.36 | JeffM2501 | why would oyu have an ATI driver for an nvidia card? |
| 21:33.13 | JeffM2501 | basicly you have to make sure your driver supports what ever stereo system your using, shutter glasses, HMD, or whatever |
| 21:33.17 | bz3057 | sorry that was the old one i have now the nvidia driver |
| 21:33.36 | JeffM2501 | it it set up to work with your stereo device? |
| 21:33.46 | bz3057 | how can i do that? |
| 21:34.01 | bz3057 | i want side by side view |
| 21:34.14 | bz3057 | i have a stereoscope |
| 21:34.29 | JeffM2501 | then set your driver up to support it |
| 21:34.55 | JeffM2501 | we just ask for stereo, it's up to the driver and OS to do it |
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| 21:35.01 | bz3057 | any hint where i should start to do taht? |
| 21:35.11 | JeffM2501 | driver docs I'd guess |
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| 21:35.21 | bz3057 | ok thank you, |
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| 23:11.19 | bz8019 | can someone tell me the command that makes only a certain number of flags in a spot instead of all of that type going ther? |
| 23:11.34 | Thumper_ | bz8019: Use a zone with a flag count |
| 23:11.50 | bz8019 | i know, but what is the sytax for flag count |
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| 23:12.31 | Thumper_ | zoneflag L 10 |
| 23:12.33 | bz8019 | Thumper_: ?? |
| 23:12.38 | Thumper_ | inside the zone |
| 23:12.39 | bz8019 | k |
| 23:12.41 | bz8019 | ty |
| 23:13.08 | Thumper_ | wlcm |
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| 23:23.48 | TD-Linux | ~wlcm |
| 23:30.23 | blast007 | short for "your welcome" ;) |
| 23:30.37 | TD-Linux | ~wlcm is short for "your welcome" ;) |
| 23:30.39 | ibot | okay, TD-Linux |
| 23:30.42 | TD-Linux | ~wlcm |
| 23:30.43 | ibot | methinks wlcm is short for "your welcome" ;) |
| 23:30.47 | TD-Linux | ahh |
| 23:30.50 | TD-Linux | :) |
| 23:30.54 | TD-Linux | ~:) |
| 23:30.56 | ibot | :) is probably honeypea |
| 23:31.13 | PuMpErNiCkLe | o_O |
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| 23:45.33 | Legoguy | ok, how does that work, did gdb itself just segfault!? |
| 23:45.50 | Legoguy | bzflag died and took gdb with it!? |
| 23:46.38 | Legoguy | should i go gdb gdb bzflag, lol |
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