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| 02:19.17 | TD-Linux | Yay! VC8 support for 2.0! Thank you! |
| 02:23.35 | spldart | hehe |
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| 02:52.33 | spldart | what is a classic pre 2.0 map that is currently not served? |
| 02:53.41 | Thumper_ | ratlab maybe |
| 02:59.15 | blast007 | is decks running anywhere? |
| 03:00.02 | blast007 | that was fun with no flags and 2 shots :) |
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| 03:00.23 | spldart | ratlab? |
| 03:00.38 | spldart | lemme look for that |
| 03:01.23 | blast007 | Rat Lab is running on bz.frop.net:5155 |
| 03:01.55 | brlcad | decks! |
| 03:02.43 | blast007 | :) |
| 03:03.16 | blast007 | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=483026&group_id=3248&atid=423059 |
| 03:03.17 | spldart | has to be non use now |
| 03:03.37 | blast007 | I don't see any server advertised as running decks |
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| 03:04.32 | spldart | who do i need to ask permission or is it gnu |
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| 03:05.33 | spldart | is that a 1.1 or 1.7 |
| 03:06.06 | blast007 | it's from 1.7 |
| 03:07.04 | brlcad | spldart: decks is kosher to use |
| 03:07.59 | brlcad | it's one of the few 'classic' maps (almost) like hix and the default grid |
| 03:08.54 | spldart | k |
| 03:09.07 | spldart | may need some help in a bit |
| 03:10.47 | spldart | Ok... for debian sarge... which 1.7 would be best for me in cvs bzflag download 1.7? |
| 03:11.07 | spldart | 1.7g2 1.7e2 |
| 03:11.26 | spldart | 1.7e6 |
| 03:12.30 | spldart | hexadecimal says g2... |
| 03:12.37 | blast007 | why would you want to run 1.7? o.O |
| 03:12.44 | blast007 | it should work just fine in 2.0.x |
| 03:12.45 | spldart | what's better than g2 |
| 03:13.03 | spldart | It's not the map... at least not primarily |
| 03:13.08 | spldart | It's the server. |
| 03:13.37 | spldart | To run... Old for old clients, current for current clients and unrelease new for those clients |
| 03:13.45 | blast007 | and there is no 'g' in hex ;) |
| 03:13.50 | blast007 | it was just a letter |
| 03:13.58 | spldart | 1.7 clients can't see 2.0 servers right? |
| 03:14.05 | blast007 | right |
| 03:14.10 | blast007 | but who is gonna use 1.7? |
| 03:14.14 | spldart | dambit!~!! I'm to drunk to type think hex right now!!1 |
| 03:14.15 | blast007 | that's ooooold |
| 03:14.32 | blast007 | I'd rather it be run in 2.0.x, so I could play it |
| 03:14.35 | spldart | It was my understanding there were some peeps that were still running old client |
| 03:14.51 | spldart | well crapenzee duesche |
| 03:15.04 | spldart | sheibe and all that |
| 03:15.07 | blast007 | there is literally no servers running on 1.7, besides the 'upgrade your client' one |
| 03:15.15 | spldart | wow |
| 03:15.16 | spldart | ok |
| 03:15.23 | blast007 | hasn't been for some time |
| 03:15.24 | spldart | just for giggles |
| 03:15.41 | spldart | I'll run that map on a 2.0 client with maybe 4 players for a bit just for fun |
| 03:15.49 | spldart | where do I find the map? |
| 03:16.02 | blast007 | do no flags, 2 shots ;) |
| 03:16.08 | blast007 | and that link I provided above had it |
| 03:16.12 | spldart | ok |
| 03:16.47 | spldart | file deleted? |
| 03:17.01 | blast007 | oh? |
| 03:17.07 | spldart | brb.. switching my monitor to debian server |
| 03:17.18 | blast007 | hrm |
| 03:21.34 | spldart | ok |
| 03:22.16 | spldart | I have a directory called bzfs1.7faux in bzuser on debian server. it has bzfs 2.0.5 and my badtanks/badwords/.conf files |
| 03:22.22 | orchid | http://www.freewebs.com/aeonblaire/ |
| 03:22.41 | spldart | Now..... I need a map and then some help setting the .conf up approptriately |
| 03:23.29 | spldart | bear with me... I'm so drunk my compy speakers are facing catywompess |
| 03:23.37 | silverfox | what's "badtank"? |
| 03:24.00 | spldart | would be nice if bztanks could handle inclines :( |
| 03:24.09 | spldart | badtank.doc is my banfile3 |
| 03:24.33 | silverfox | ah. |
| 03:24.50 | silverfox | spldart, they can handle inclines (sorta) |
| 03:25.06 | spldart | they can roll down one but not up right? |
| 03:25.12 | spldart | with lotsa thuds |
| 03:25.13 | silverfox | see the _maxBumpHeight (I think) variable |
| 03:25.17 | spldart | ah |
| 03:25.19 | silverfox | no, you can up. |
| 03:25.29 | blast007 | works for boxes, but not meshboxes |
| 03:25.35 | spldart | New tidbit of info to file away |
| 03:25.54 | silverfox | pft. Who uses mesh's anyhow? |
| 03:26.01 | blast007 | ;) |
| 03:26.08 | spldart | Lets' find .map? decks. |
| 03:26.20 | silverfox | ~google decks bzflag map |
| 03:26.27 | spldart | I used to use meshboxes :squint: |
| 03:27.26 | silverfox | orchid, what is that? |
| 03:27.44 | orchid | http://bzgirl.bakadigital.com/tmp/decks.bzw |
| 03:28.03 | orchid | a game based on bzflag some dude wrote |
| 03:28.22 | silverfox | wow... that's cool. |
| 03:28.30 | silverfox | This isn't JeffM2501's project, is it? |
| 03:29.13 | orchid | no, and I wouldn't call him some dude anyway :) |
| 03:29.19 | silverfox | ;) |
| 03:29.27 | spldart | god..I'm so keyboard/hexadecimal impaired right now |
| 03:30.06 | silverfox | spldart: http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/ServerVariables |
| 03:30.48 | spldart | god i love it when a women shares of her linux...... |
| 03:31.40 | silverfox | orchid, got any other links about that game? |
| 03:32.36 | orchid | only http://www.igda.org/Forums/showthread.php?postid=136743 |
| 03:34.13 | spldart | OMG please tell me there is a ready made .conf for this |
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| 03:39.10 | spldart | ok...... I'm a conf file away from starting a 2.0.5 server using decks map... just need some conf variables... |
| 03:40.51 | orchid | one shot |
| 03:41.01 | orchid | all rougue |
| 03:41.15 | orchid | and no flags |
| 03:41.28 | orchid | ~oldschool |
| 03:41.30 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, oldschool is http://web.archive.org/web/19970414140611/http://www.debian.org/ |
| 03:41.30 | spldart | is there a fast way to 'no flags' the map? |
| 03:43.05 | shorty114 | haha that is oldschool |
| 03:43.12 | orchid | I think just comment out +s and -s |
| 03:43.13 | blast007 | spldart: just don't add any |
| 03:43.34 | blast007 | yeah, leave off +s, -s, and +f |
| 03:44.05 | orchid | rico should be on though for decks |
| 03:45.50 | spldart | jump on? |
| 03:46.10 | shorty114 | yeah |
| 03:46.28 | orchid | :) |
| 03:46.31 | silverfox | yeah, decks has several levels of "decks" |
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| 03:47.56 | spldart | growl; snarl |
| 03:48.30 | spldart | looking for bzfs demo .conf |
| 03:51.46 | shorty114 | silverfox, haha |
| 03:56.20 | silverfox | spldart, http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/25282 |
| 03:56.34 | silverfox | this is the fourth entry in a google for "bzflag example conf" |
| 03:56.47 | silverfox | excuse me, 5th. |
| 03:57.17 | spldart | Ok.... |
| 03:57.48 | spldart | how do I get around ... unable to start server, perhaps one is already running? from terminal? |
| 03:58.05 | silverfox | it doesn't like the port your using. It thinks the port is unavailable. |
| 03:58.14 | spldart | Ok... |
| 03:58.15 | silverfox | ps aux | grep bzfs |
| 03:58.29 | silverfox | this will show you of other bzfs processes you may have started earlier. |
| 03:58.30 | spldart | I used 5154 for 2.0.x and 5155 for 2.1.x |
| 03:58.35 | spldart | ok.... |
| 03:58.46 | spldart | and using screen to seperate sessions of 2.0 and 2.x |
| 03:59.01 | spldart | running process aux list now |
| 03:59.07 | silverfox | are you specifying -p twice? (maybe once in the conf file) |
| 04:00.08 | spldart | lemme check... ps aux shows my 2.0 and my 2.1 running |
| 04:01.50 | silverfox | on which ports? |
| 04:02.09 | silverfox | and what are you trying to start when you get that error? |
| 04:12.45 | spldart | ok... |
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| 04:12.49 | spldart | growl shnarl |
| 04:12.54 | spldart | testing |
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| 04:19.29 | spldart | wow! I torqued off windows so bad trying to run atimmc and bzflag at the same time i'm blue screen even after reboot |
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| 04:36.34 | JeffM2501 | someone made one with terrain? |
| 04:37.13 | spldart | list server is not distinguishing between -publicaddr spldart.bakadigital.com:5154 @ -p 5154 and -publicaddr spldart.bakadigital.com:5153 @ -p 5153 and they both have different -public "descriptions" |
| 04:37.15 | silverfox | well, the beginnings anyhow. |
| 04:37.21 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 04:37.24 | JeffM2501 | code avail? |
| 04:37.43 | silverfox | doesn't look like it. I posted to that thread encouraging him to make it available rather than abandoning it. |
| 04:37.54 | JeffM2501 | ahh he's done with it? |
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| 04:39.14 | silverfox | no, it was some sort of school project, and he has enough to play w/bots. |
| 04:39.38 | silverfox | multiplayer play was broken though. |
| 04:40.16 | brlcad | terrain? |
| 04:41.19 | JeffM2501 | I'd be interested in it |
| 04:41.35 | JeffM2501 | if you talk to him |
| 04:41.40 | JeffM2501 | mostly just to know how it plays |
| 04:41.42 | brlcad | ah, see it now |
| 04:41.57 | JeffM2501 | WAY in the scrollback machine :) |
| 04:42.04 | brlcad | graphics look like ass, but the terrain is nice |
| 04:42.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:42.19 | JeffM2501 | I mostly want to see how the shots work out |
| 04:42.24 | JeffM2501 | and if it has aiming |
| 04:42.27 | brlcad | looks like the turrets elevate too |
| 04:42.38 | JeffM2501 | I'd think they'd have to |
| 04:42.43 | JeffM2501 | for playabliltiy |
| 04:42.51 | brlcad | don't see any pivoting, but looks like they do go up down, at least in some of the shots |
| 04:42.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:43.03 | JeffM2501 | you could do just up and down |
| 04:43.19 | JeffM2501 | then it's basicly fps sans sidestep |
| 04:44.39 | JeffM2501 | the HUGE fog ammount worries me tho |
| 04:44.48 | JeffM2501 | like the terrain system is slow so he foged it out |
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| 04:46.53 | brlcad | possibly |
| 04:49.01 | JeffM2501 | be cool to see tho |
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| 04:52.28 | silverfox | he referenced mechwarrier, which has vert aiming. |
| 04:52.32 | JeffM2501 | lan if you want to post bins for stuff, they need source too, per GOL |
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| 05:21.50 | spldart | screw it.... I'l try again tomorrow for 3 iterations of bzfs |
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| 05:25.25 | silverfox | try starting it w/out a map or conf file to begin with. Put the options you want on the command line, and just add them a few at a time. |
| 05:26.01 | spldart | too.... drunk... must pass out..... arrrrrrggghhhhhh |
| 05:26.11 | spldart | ;) |
| 05:31.32 | silverfox | Everyone know about the nagware plugin? |
| 05:31.34 | silverfox | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=67328#67328 |
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| 05:38.09 | silverfox | I imagine bzbb has seen a real influx of registrations in the last month. |
| 05:38.15 | silverfox | or two |
| 05:44.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:44.52 | JeffM2501 | and an influx of "interesting characters" |
| 05:46.19 | lan56 | JeffM2501, sure should I repost it with the source added or just take it down or pm it or something else? |
| 05:46.33 | lan56 | sorry for the delay btw, stepped off the computer till now |
| 05:46.44 | JeffM2501 | reposting with source is fine |
| 05:46.50 | JeffM2501 | I think it's good to give it to them |
| 05:46.55 | silverfox | interesting characters, eh? |
| 05:46.57 | JeffM2501 | but we have to abide by the GPL |
| 05:47.38 | lan56 | sure its good to give source as there is nothing to hide and living under the law is always best |
| 05:47.47 | lan56 | let me get it ready |
| 05:47.54 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 05:50.25 | JeffM2501 | silverfox, people that just are "wierd" |
| 05:53.06 | silverfox | go figure. ;) The folks that would never talk in a game, aren't interested in having a forum account, but are pushed into it turn out to be social introverts/misfits. |
| 05:53.13 | silverfox | Who'da guesed? ;) |
| 05:53.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah I don't like that global reg is a fourm account |
| 05:53.34 | silverfox | What makes them wierd? Their playernames, their posts, or their profiles? |
| 05:54.00 | JeffM2501 | I don't mind making the fourm use the same db, but it shoudl be hung on the db, not the game hung on the forums |
| 05:54.07 | JeffM2501 | just the crap I get asked |
| 05:54.11 | JeffM2501 | I get PMed a lot |
| 05:54.15 | silverfox | JeffM2501, maybe a frontend for creating an account, (which happens to be a forum account) but looks more like its for the game would be less confusing. |
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| 05:55.25 | silverfox | It's amazing to me how "difficult" this process seems to be for some people. Maybe the general public is dumber than I thought. |
| 05:56.36 | silverfox | the plugin is a lot cleaner than the bash script/bzadmin I was using before. I'm quite impressed w/it. |
| 05:56.52 | orange | the best thing about it is the selectivity element |
| 05:56.58 | orange | it only kicks when maxplayers is met |
| 05:57.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah the game should do reges too |
| 05:57.08 | orange | so if there are 20 players and 16 are unregistered... |
| 05:57.11 | JeffM2501 | as well as the main page |
| 05:57.24 | orange | it only drops down to the configured number |
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| 06:00.40 | silverfox | orange, I agree. I was never able to figure how to identify which players were registered or not from outside the game, so the bash script just couldn't do that. |
| 06:02.19 | silverfox | JeffM2501, in game reg would be nice, but I wouldn't like to see it so easy that folks will make tons of dup accounts. |
| 06:02.52 | lan56 | JeffM2501, does the source need to have the extra things? such as ide files? the license and complete source is needed of course, but what about the thing beside legal matters and source code? |
| 06:03.15 | lan56 | I am having trouble getting it uploaded, it keeps saying "Upload Error: Could not upload Attachment to ./files/sdl-1.2.9_942.zip." |
| 06:03.25 | lan56 | the file is 3.5mb compressed in .zip |
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| 06:04.02 | silverfox | what are you working on lan56? |
| 06:04.05 | lan56 | ahh well maybe I don't need to upload it at all, huwnet knows how to get it |
| 06:04.11 | silverfox | thanks for the countmod patch, btw. |
| 06:04.18 | lan56 | silverfox, trying to help huwnet get his dev-c++ build working |
| 06:04.23 | silverfox | ++lan56 |
| 06:04.23 | Guu | silverfox: Jien tah-duh gwa |
| 06:04.27 | lan56 | nah it was no problem |
| 06:04.38 | JeffM2501 | lan, it should have everything they distribute |
| 06:04.38 | lan56 | the thanks go to you and orange and anyone else involved |
| 06:04.44 | JeffM2501 | basicly what you downloaded to build it |
| 06:05.15 | silverfox | ~lan56++ |
| 06:05.17 | lan56 | JeffM2501, ahh. well I'll just let huwnet do that then, he knows how to I guess I am being too sensitive |
| 06:05.24 | silverfox | meh... I forget. |
| 06:05.27 | zerovertex | Anyone around? I need some help. Every server I try to join it says right click or press "i" to join butnothing happenes. usually i get idle kicked. |
| 06:05.35 | JeffM2501 | a link to the source is probably good as well |
| 06:05.45 | lan56 | silverfox, no really I just coded it, but the brains were you and orange :) |
| 06:06.14 | orange | hah, I like the role of idea man... since I don't really write c++ code ;-) |
| 06:06.20 | lan56 | JeffM2501, well huwnet knows where it is I'll just forget it |
| 06:06.39 | zerovertex | oh, and I think Rouges should be Brown :-) |
| 06:07.04 | silverfox | I think you can change that on your client zerovertex. Has to be in the config file though. |
| 06:07.36 | zerovertex | really.. cool. any ideas on my other problem? |
| 06:07.54 | orange | reverse DNS? |
| 06:07.54 | silverfox | not really. Is this new? Has it ever worked? |
| 06:07.54 | orange | does your IP resolve correctly? |
| 06:08.24 | silverfox | his IP here does not, but does that really matter for bzflag? |
| 06:08.27 | zerovertex | it has worked. I was having internet trouble earlier that looked like it might be dns... lemme check my reverese |
| 06:08.48 | silverfox | (does not resolve to a host that is) |
| 06:08.57 | zerovertex | It has worked fine. I did have a vid driver issue earlier too but I resolved that |
| 06:09.41 | silverfox | how does observer mode look? |
| 06:10.17 | orange | reverse matters |
| 06:10.27 | silverfox | Wonder why.... |
| 06:10.30 | orange | hostbans |
| 06:10.32 | silverfox | anti-spoofing? |
| 06:10.33 | silverfox | ah. |
| 06:12.50 | zerovertex | looks like Charter Cables dns servers are down tonight. grr. dnsstuff.com reports all charters dns servers are timing out. oh well. maybe tomorrow night, |
| 06:13.06 | zerovertex | A person in the forum was experiencing the same problem |
| 06:13.26 | zerovertex | I'll post my findings |
| 06:13.40 | orange | too bad we don't have any contacts |
| 06:15.12 | orange | mine works, fwiw, and I'm on charter |
| 06:15.20 | zerovertex | Thanks. on another note, my wife's nick is also silverfox(not registered). She plays bzflag occasionally. Thanks. |
| 06:15.54 | zerovertex | Asking ns0.al.charter.com. for 162.18.190.68.in-addr.arpa PTR record: Timed out [at 24.177.176.37]. Trying again. |
| 06:16.30 | orange | yeah, that one fails |
| 06:17.00 | zerovertex | all of them fail for me. |
| 06:17.20 | zerovertex | oh well. it's bed time any way. I'll try again tomorrow. thanks. |
| 06:17.55 | orange | still |
| 06:18.02 | orange | it should result in a long timeout, not inability to connect at all |
| 06:18.38 | zerovertex | it's not that serious i guess. i'll just try again tomorrow. |
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| 10:54.35 | sniperyyd | Admirarch: |
| 10:54.41 | sniperyyd | oops... wrong key |
| 10:54.50 | sniperyyd | pressed tab by mistake :( |
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| 12:44.56 | Jo-W | How do I create and read from server variables in a bzfs plugin? |
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| 13:34.38 | Thumper_ | Jo-W: Use the BZDB plugin functions defined in the docs |
| 13:35.16 | Jo-W | ah thanks, i didnt know what it was called |
| 13:35.24 | Jo-W | i see it now :) |
| 13:35.44 | Thumper_ | docs are in src/plugins/doc/functions.html |
| 13:35.59 | Jo-W | yeh i have the docs |
| 13:36.31 | Jo-W | i didnt asociated BZDB with server variables |
| 13:37.47 | Jo-W | and to create a new one, i just set it on plug load? |
| 13:38.25 | Thumper_ | not sure you can create a variable that doesn't exist |
| 13:38.54 | Jo-W | im writing a plug which introduces a few new server variables |
| 13:39.01 | Jo-W | plugin* |
| 13:39.43 | Thumper_ | I think the plugin interface can only read and set existing variables |
| 13:41.23 | Thumper_ | but of course I could be wrong. |
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| 13:50.17 | Thumper_ | Jo-W: looks like if you set it it creates it |
| 13:50.38 | Jo-W | ah ok thanks :) |
| 13:50.42 | Thumper_ | so /me is wrong. what else is new ;) |
| 13:50.49 | Jo-W | lol |
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| 14:05.05 | spldart | Here yee here yee. To those old schoolers requesting that my new bzfs with old school map be decks... she be online at port 5153 |
| 14:06.01 | spldart | BTW.. What in the world would cause /par to appear after every line on that map... |
| 14:08.09 | Jo-W | wordpad |
| 14:08.19 | Jo-W | you probaly saved it as RTF |
| 14:10.12 | spldart | I did a New > Wordpad not New > Rich Text Document... But I assumed it was something to do with the translation from there text editer and wordpad |
| 14:10.52 | Jo-W | open it in word pad |
| 14:10.54 | Jo-W | goto save as |
| 14:10.55 | spldart | What editer did it come from that would cause that? from nano to wordpad causes thoseO's all over the place hehe |
| 14:11.01 | Jo-W | then select text file |
| 14:11.05 | spldart | ah |
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| 14:12.02 | Jo-W | alot of text editors |
| 14:12.03 | spldart | well... I just fixed it with edit > replace > /par with 'nothing' > replace all |
| 14:12.15 | Jo-W | not sure if its rtf |
| 14:12.18 | Jo-W | but it looks like it |
| 14:15.16 | Jo-W | mm |
| 14:15.28 | Jo-W | did you have something like "icpg1252\deff0\deflang1" at the begining of the world file? |
| 14:16.29 | spldart | methinks I did see some crap like that at the beginning... and font and other stuff |
| 14:16.38 | Jo-W | yup thats rtf |
| 14:17.02 | Jo-W | \par means new paragraph |
| 14:17.07 | Jo-W | or simply an enter :D |
| 14:19.07 | spldart | normally I do... don't remember why I used wordpad |
| 14:19.16 | spldart | But I was highly intoxicated at the time.... |
| 14:19.47 | Jo-W | you could use wordpad, aslong as you save it as textfile and not rich text file |
| 14:19.48 | spldart | Wel.. Normally I use nano but I was doing some configuring Win XP > network > Deb Server |
| 14:20.18 | Jo-W | actually, i use editpad |
| 14:20.47 | blast007 | I used EditPad Lite for quite some time, but have since migrated to PSPad |
| 14:21.18 | spldart | are these linux or windows apps? |
| 14:21.39 | Jo-W | editpad is linux and windows |
| 14:21.41 | blast007 | PSPad is for Windows, but EditPad Lite/Pro has both windows and linux |
| 14:21.47 | Jo-W | yeah :D |
| 14:22.22 | spldart | I assume editpad for linux requires some sort of x-window-system? |
| 14:22.37 | blast007 | yeah |
| 14:22.59 | Jo-W | http://www.editpadpro.com/linux.html |
| 14:23.46 | Jo-W | the thing i like about editpad most is the programming highlighting |
| 14:24.07 | Jo-W | if you move your cursor over a { character, it also highlights the closing character |
| 14:24.50 | spldart | Now that is very cool |
| 14:25.39 | Jo-W | also with ( [ and such |
| 14:25.53 | blast007 | http://www.pspad.com/en/screenshot.htm |
| 14:25.56 | Jo-W | very usefull in nested if.. else.. case.. and stuff |
| 14:26.02 | blast007 | PSPad does all that, and it's free ;) |
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| 14:27.59 | Jo-W | woot thanks, been looking for an editor like that for a long time |
| 14:28.25 | blast007 | it has lots of cool features |
| 14:29.17 | Jo-W | i like editpad pro but its on day 400 of my 30 day trail O.o |
| 14:29.35 | blast007 | lol |
| 14:30.05 | spldart | hehe |
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| 14:30.21 | blast007 | http://fu.sh.nu:84/misc/screw-the-30-day-evaluation.png |
| 14:31.30 | Jo-W | lol |
| 14:33.10 | spldart | I need to figure out how to do that with AnyDvd |
| 14:46.06 | spldart | time to go to work cyah |
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| 15:07.17 | voldern | Hmm, i have compiled bzflag under Windows using VS8 with some minor changes. I try to the .exe file to my friend so hi can try it to but he gets an error stating: BZFlag2.0.4\bzflag.exe, This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling te application may fix this problem. Anybody knows why he gets this? |
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| 18:06.03 | Thumper_ | cods: ping |
| 18:06.07 | cods | pong |
| 18:06.11 | cods | ah |
| 18:06.16 | Thumper_ | :) |
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| 19:09.39 | JeffM2501 | menotume, just FYI, your nagware won't build on windows |
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| 19:37.29 | Chestal | hmm, jetzt gäht das nicht mehr |
| 19:37.30 | Chestal | oopsa |
| 19:38.14 | _Manu_ | das ist gut :) |
| 19:43.27 | spldart | what does not go any longer? |
| 19:46.31 | Chestal | the applets on http://c64s.com/toplist/more/ stopped working, had to restart browser |
| 19:49.32 | spldart | Very sweet |
| 20:00.14 | Pimpinella | never understood ghostbusters... |
| 20:04.23 | Chestal | Pimpinella: maybe you should have purchased it, rumor has it it came with a manual ;-) |
| 20:04.49 | spldart | Does anyone know or is there a way for me to find out how many online players still use pre 2.0.x clients? |
| 20:05.21 | Pimpinella | when i played C64 games i had no money to buy them... |
| 20:05.50 | Pimpinella | ~bzflist |
| 20:06.30 | Pimpinella | 5 players currently |
| 20:07.50 | Pimpinella | there are rarely more than 20 1.10 players online, dunno about 1.7 |
| 20:08.27 | spldart | Is it likely more 1.7 than 1.1? |
| 20:08.43 | Pimpinella | don't think so |
| 20:08.53 | spldart | ah |
| 20:09.11 | Pimpinella | at least there are no public servers listed |
| 20:09.38 | spldart | how do you know that list shows 5 1.1... could it be 5 2.1? |
| 20:10.07 | spldart | Just curious |
| 20:10.41 | Pimpinella | look at bzflist's output, it lists players per protocol version |
| 20:11.18 | spldart | IC BZFS0026.... |
| 20:11.18 | Pimpinella | 1910 is protocol version for 1.10, while 0026 is for 2.0 |
| 20:11.28 | spldart | Ah! |
| 20:11.51 | spldart | My brainfart |
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| 20:12.12 | spldart | So 1.1 is likely to have more traffic than 1.7 right now |
| 20:12.36 | Pimpinella | surely |
| 20:12.44 | spldart | Thank you |
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| 20:59.12 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): No more Bot-only connection, so no need to filter to them |
| 21:00.34 | Legoguy | hmm. im wondering how hard it would be to have server-specific configurations; mouse box, radar size, shot length, etc. because what's needed for lasermania is much different than whats needed for, say, pillbox |
| 21:00.58 | Legoguy | maybe not server specific, but config "profiles" |
| 21:04.51 | lan56 | that would probably use bzdb variables |
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| 21:26.00 | Deepa | woo! |
| 21:26.02 | Deepa | now running... |
| 21:26.08 | Deepa | DEBIAN! on my server ^^ |
| 21:26.42 | Deepa | instead of a LAGGY ubuntu with X :p |
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| 21:31.37 | spldart | hehe > Deepa |
| 21:31.55 | spldart | With or without X |
| 21:34.28 | JeffM2501 | ubuntu is debian |
| 21:35.19 | spldart | I'm currently debian, daemon apache and samba with 3 bzfs's using 'SCREEN' and one last 'screen' for building and updates, upgrades :) |
| 21:35.43 | JeffM2501 | screen rocks |
| 21:36.02 | JeffM2501 | tho for builds you could just use a new term |
| 21:36.05 | spldart | It ownz me |
| 21:36.12 | JeffM2501 | linux is you know, multi user :) |
| 21:36.31 | spldart | yeah well... I find screen so quick and easy :) |
| 21:36.36 | orange | for remote access I always use screen, even for one screen |
| 21:36.45 | ndim | screen is especially useful for builds. you don't want the build to abort just because you stumble over the network cable. |
| 21:36.48 | JeffM2501 | for remote it is nice |
| 21:36.49 | orange | if you've ever had your local terminal crash or go off the network in the middle of something importnt |
| 21:36.53 | orange | yeah |
| 21:36.54 | orange | that's it |
| 21:37.22 | JeffM2501 | I don't see how X or ubuntu could make a server "lagy" |
| 21:37.31 | JeffM2501 | unless it was REALY underpowered |
| 21:37.34 | JeffM2501 | or had no ram |
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| 21:38.19 | spldart | I had no problems with gnome on 400 mhz and 256 ram when that was the way I was rocking server |
| 21:38.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah it should not be a huge draw |
| 21:38.35 | spldart | I'm going without X now on server to force myself to really get used to terminal |
| 21:38.54 | JeffM2501 | your reason for going sans X was also disk space IIRC |
| 21:39.09 | spldart | that was fixed ;) |
| 21:39.19 | JeffM2501 | drives are cheap these days |
| 21:40.22 | spldart | But you did help me get gnome set up with room to spare IIRC |
| 21:40.23 | JeffM2501 | with most OSs you can pair them down quite a bit |
| 21:40.24 | spldart | But even my dual MP 3400 monster is X / fluxbox for a minimist approach |
| 21:40.41 | JeffM2501 | I have to get a new case and PS for my dual core :( |
| 21:40.56 | orange | too hot? |
| 21:40.59 | spldart | I need a new case too.... |
| 21:41.02 | JeffM2501 | too small |
| 21:41.13 | JeffM2501 | not enough room for a larger or "alternate" CPU cooler |
| 21:41.22 | JeffM2501 | and most of the drive bays are full |
| 21:41.29 | JeffM2501 | the new PS will be for the new video card |
| 21:41.44 | JeffM2501 | and that may make the case to hot |
| 21:42.07 | orange | oh, what a tangled web |
| 21:42.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:42.21 | JeffM2501 | sadly the case I want costs $$$ |
| 21:42.40 | spldart | similar problem... to many drives not enough room for pump and radiator at the same time etc etc etc |
| 21:43.50 | JeffM2501 | the PS allone is gonna cost me 90$ |
| 21:44.36 | orange | PC Power & Cooling? |
| 21:44.49 | JeffM2501 | and the cards |
| 21:45.11 | JeffM2501 | need one of those SLI ones with 2 of the 6 pin VGA conectors |
| 21:45.14 | cods | Thumper_: is that ok ? :) |
| 21:45.20 | spldart | My TruePower 530 cost about that |
| 21:45.33 | JeffM2501 | I'll be ether geting 550 or 600 |
| 21:45.59 | JeffM2501 | and all that in my current case is going to be tight |
| 21:45.59 | cods | Thumper: maybe not ;) |
| 21:46.02 | JeffM2501 | so it's new case time |
| 21:46.06 | Thumper_ | cods: yup works great thx |
| 21:46.11 | cods | ok |
| 21:46.13 | JeffM2501 | big expensive full tower case time |
| 21:46.14 | spldart | Thats some juice... I've had mine 2 years and it's only needed 1 cap replaced in all that time |
| 21:46.35 | spldart | It's a good buy |
| 21:46.38 | JeffM2501 | spldart, I'll be running cards that suck a fair amount of juice |
| 21:46.45 | JeffM2501 | 7800 GTX |
| 21:47.04 | JeffM2501 | and probably 2 of them at some point |
| 21:47.19 | spldart | 9800pro aiw, promise raid 4 channel, and lots of drives here... sounds like you got more planned though :eek: |
| 21:47.30 | JeffM2501 | 9800 is nothing |
| 21:47.47 | JeffM2501 | old card ;) |
| 21:47.50 | spldart | Not by the heat waves coming off it when playing a hard game |
| 21:48.02 | JeffM2501 | go look at an x1800 |
| 21:48.12 | JeffM2501 | normal GPU temp on those is 90 |
| 21:48.15 | spldart | yeah... but does that come with a tuner? hehe |
| 21:48.30 | JeffM2501 | they should have the 1800 aiw's now or soon |
| 21:48.39 | JeffM2501 | they are power hogs |
| 21:49.15 | JeffM2501 | I know a good new case will serve me for a long long while |
| 21:49.21 | spldart | looks the beast |
| 21:49.24 | JeffM2501 | but I don't know if I can justify 250+ for a case |
| 21:50.27 | spldart | yikes... that is a bit pricey |
| 21:50.32 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:50.47 | JeffM2501 | but after seeing it, it is the only case I will settle for now :) |
| 21:50.56 | spldart | linky? |
| 21:51.16 | JeffM2501 | coolermaster stacker 830 |
| 21:51.20 | JeffM2501 | it's on there site |
| 21:51.22 | JeffM2501 | or google it |
| 21:52.46 | spldart | Not quite as big as I was expecting but very nice.... |
| 21:52.53 | JeffM2501 | it's a full tower |
| 21:52.55 | JeffM2501 | 9 bays |
| 21:53.00 | JeffM2501 | it looks short cus it's so wide |
| 21:53.10 | spldart | I noticed it seems wide |
| 21:53.14 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 21:53.19 | JeffM2501 | will hold 9 fans |
| 21:53.23 | JeffM2501 | all 120s |
| 21:53.24 | spldart | Plenty of room for 5/8 tubing for coolant |
| 21:53.33 | spldart | ;-p |
| 21:53.35 | JeffM2501 | don't need it |
| 21:53.42 | JeffM2501 | there is an insert that goes on the door |
| 21:53.42 | spldart | Just kidding |
| 21:53.50 | JeffM2501 | will hold a water cooler INSIDE |
| 21:53.55 | JeffM2501 | and vent out |
| 21:53.55 | spldart | Ah |
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| 22:09.28 | spldart | I didn't know about all these F# commands in bzfs 8-0 |
| 22:11.59 | Deepa | spldart: ofc without X :) |
| 22:12.04 | Deepa | JeffM2501: ubuntu is BASED on debian |
| 22:12.17 | spldart | hehe |
| 22:12.22 | Deepa | there IS a difference :> |
| 22:12.47 | spldart | ubuntu was fluffier than say gnome on debian |
| 22:12.49 | Deepa | darn, im stuck at installing server2 tho |
| 22:12.53 | Deepa | indeed |
| 22:12.56 | Deepa | btw |
| 22:12.58 | spldart | but very different than kde |
| 22:13.13 | Deepa | Alias /fridge/ "http://192.168.0.150/phpsysinfo/" |
| 22:13.17 | Deepa | would that work :>? (in apache2) |
| 22:13.30 | Deepa | im on 192.168.0.4 atm |
| 22:13.46 | JeffM2501 | ues it is |
| 22:14.12 | Deepa | JeffM2501: then why isnt it :p? |
| 22:14.15 | JeffM2501 | ub includes basicly the same software, just in a difrent package, I don't think it was ub that was your lap problem :) |
| 22:14.22 | JeffM2501 | it was probably something lese |
| 22:14.24 | JeffM2501 | else |
| 22:14.41 | JeffM2501 | some software you didn't realise was installed |
| 22:14.57 | JeffM2501 | debina does a better job of showing you what you get on base install |
| 22:15.01 | JeffM2501 | so it will probbly work better for you |
| 22:15.23 | spldart | time to go home and tinker with bzflag |
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| 22:26.47 | suss | ek:11 vs bar:2 finished 5 minuts before |
| 22:27.17 | menotume | JeffM2501: what's up with win build of nagware ? |
| 22:27.25 | menotume | string class? project file ? |
| 22:28.36 | *** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (n=ts@p54B0002B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:30.39 | JeffM2501 | menotume, windows don't have strcasecomp |
| 22:30.47 | menotume | ahh |
| 22:30.48 | JeffM2501 | we have stricomp |
| 22:30.58 | menotume | bastuds :) |
| 22:31.08 | JeffM2501 | it is what it is |
| 22:31.13 | menotume | yes, i know |
| 22:31.13 | JeffM2501 | check the windows config.h |
| 22:31.18 | menotume | is that all, just that ? |
| 22:31.19 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl have a #def you can use |
| 22:31.28 | JeffM2501 | that I could see |
| 22:31.33 | menotume | okies, thx |
| 22:31.51 | JeffM2501 | and it was double spaced for some reason |
| 22:32.31 | menotume | okies, i'll check line ending |
| 22:33.32 | JeffM2501 | did you commit the file as bin or text? |
| 22:34.47 | Pimpinella | i didn't even know cvs makes a difference between bin and text |
| 22:35.15 | menotume | I edited it on my win box at one point |
| 22:35.22 | menotume | crlf endingd |
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| 22:35.30 | menotume | and commited it on linux box |
| 22:36.40 | Tupone | menotume: how did you transfer from windows to linux? |
| 22:37.38 | menotume | samba |
| 22:37.39 | JeffM2501 | I allways use cvs to do my transfers, so it does line conversions for me :) |
| 22:37.45 | JeffM2501 | ahh so it moved over as binary |
| 22:37.50 | Tupone | :) |
| 22:37.51 | JeffM2501 | that can screw it up |
| 22:37.56 | menotume | but, my editor on linux box will handle either type of line-endings |
| 22:38.04 | JeffM2501 | somone coverted it |
| 22:38.07 | JeffM2501 | twice |
| 22:38.30 | Tupone | nagware.cpp: ASCII C++ program text, with CRLF line terminators |
| 22:39.04 | JeffM2501 | because of macs |
| 22:39.19 | JeffM2501 | IIRC all cvs stuf is unix line termed |
| 22:39.22 | JeffM2501 | what cvs client do you use? |
| 22:39.30 | menotume | cvs :) |
| 22:39.33 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 22:39.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:39.35 | menotume | cli |
| 22:39.35 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 22:39.44 | menotume | it's fixed |
| 22:39.45 | JeffM2501 | it probably dosn't do any conversion ether |
| 22:39.49 | Tupone | menotume: if you diff two files, you'll have all line differents when only CRLF/LF is the issue |
| 22:39.49 | menotume | simple, dos2unix |
| 22:39.56 | JeffM2501 | use tort :) |
| 22:40.15 | JeffM2501 | well asuming you cvs on windows |
| 22:40.30 | menotume | ewwwwwww |
| 22:40.52 | JeffM2501 | I keep hearing of a konq cvs plugin that works like tort but I've never seen it :( |
| 22:40.59 | JeffM2501 | OSX has one for svn that works well |
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| 22:41.22 | JeffM2501 | I do wonder why they want a windows build of the plugin |
| 22:41.28 | JeffM2501 | not many servers run windows IIRC |
| 22:41.42 | JeffM2501 | and none of the major big ones that would require reg and need to nag would |
| 22:41.49 | menotume | strcasecmp is used a LOT in bz |
| 22:41.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:41.59 | JeffM2501 | but it's #defed |
| 22:42.05 | JeffM2501 | into stricmp for windows |
| 22:42.07 | JeffM2501 | in the config file |
| 22:42.29 | JeffM2501 | you just need to copy that #def and put it in a #ifdef _WIN_32 part |
| 22:42.49 | menotume | i should just have to include a header i would think |
| 22:43.03 | JeffM2501 | then you need full bz source to build the plugin |
| 22:43.14 | JeffM2501 | and the windows config is wicked buried down in the source tree |
| 22:43.42 | menotume | hmm, i use it in HoldTheFlag plugin too |
| 22:43.58 | JeffM2501 | noone builds plugins on windows for real servers :) |
| 22:44.04 | menotume | true |
| 22:44.18 | menotume | but, i don't want the build to break |
| 22:44.23 | JeffM2501 | I should do a BZ_strcasecmp #def in the api header |
| 22:44.25 | JeffM2501 | that woudl do it |
| 22:44.43 | Pimpinella | yeah, probably the best solution |
| 22:45.01 | JeffM2501 | it's the most useable, seems like a hack, but it would work |
| 22:45.18 | menotume | why not just #define strcasecmp .... ? |
| 22:45.27 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/nagware/ (nagware.cpp nagware.def): cvs rules. Text files should be unix line-ended |
| 22:45.29 | JeffM2501 | because the plugin may include other libs that do that |
| 22:45.31 | Pimpinella | well, 2nd best, better would be to have strcasecmp available on win |
| 22:45.33 | JeffM2501 | or MS may add the funciton later |
| 22:45.45 | JeffM2501 | you could have conflicts |
| 22:45.51 | menotume | #ifndef |
| 22:45.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:45.57 | JeffM2501 | code it up |
| 22:45.58 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 22:46.16 | menotume | <JeffM2501> I should do a BZ_strcasecmp #def in the api header |
| 22:46.22 | menotume | s/I/menotume/ ? |
| 22:46.33 | JeffM2501 | should and will are difrent things :) |
| 22:46.49 | menotume | thx tupone. i had it all ready though :) |
| 22:46.53 | JeffM2501 | I "should" do lots of things |
| 22:46.57 | menotume | ahhh :) |
| 22:47.07 | JeffM2501 | I "should" fix the hud |
| 22:47.11 | Tupone | menotume: did you remove Makefile.in too ? |
| 22:47.24 | menotume | yes, couple of days ago |
| 22:47.35 | JeffM2501 | menotume, if you include the text utils stuff, it may get it |
| 22:48.16 | JeffM2501 | if you have libtool it should |
| 22:48.17 | Pimpinella | anyone knows from memory? |
| 22:48.26 | Tupone | I don't think |
| 22:48.26 | JeffM2501 | all the builds should if you have libtool |
| 22:48.37 | Tupone | default build is without --enable-shared |
| 22:48.44 | JeffM2501 | OSX with xcode is the only thing i know that dosn't |
| 22:49.02 | menotume | hmm, HoldTheFlag includes <stdarg.h> |
| 22:49.03 | JeffM2501 | gee I wonder why it dosn't default to enabled......... |
| 22:49.12 | menotume | maybe brlcad knows |
| 22:49.15 | JeffM2501 | menotume, who's built HTF on windows |
| 22:49.32 | Tupone | what are you wondering about ? |
| 22:49.52 | menotume | it doesn't default to enabled because with enabled, builds take longer |
| 22:50.02 | Tupone | I'm pretty sure debian does not |
| 22:50.07 | menotume | because the libtool stuff is convoluted |
| 22:50.10 | brlcad | Tupone: so I can't write a standalone bot now? :/ |
| 22:50.33 | Tupone | brlcad: you can actually |
| 22:50.40 | Tupone | and now is better then before |
| 22:50.45 | brlcad | i rewrote the plugin system last weekend |
| 22:50.50 | brlcad | haven't commited yet |
| 22:50.59 | brlcad | now is better? :) |
| 22:51.05 | menotume | should I commit nagware to head ? |
| 22:51.09 | JeffM2501 | and faster and stronger? |
| 22:51.09 | menotume | will it even work ? |
| 22:51.30 | brlcad | er, two threads of discussion |
| 22:51.43 | Tupone | I was giving data only to main-player saving bots. Now I send all data to connection |
| 22:51.43 | brlcad | menotume: do whatever you need to, I'll update/fix |
| 22:51.47 | menotume | let's make it 3 .... |
| 22:52.26 | menotume | I don't understand the problem with using what the rest of bzfs does to handle the strcasecmp issue |
| 22:52.43 | menotume | i mean, if you're building a plugin, you have the whole source tree, right ? |
| 22:52.47 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:52.53 | JeffM2501 | not on windows |
| 22:53.03 | JeffM2501 | you can build just with the api header and the export lib |
| 22:53.08 | JeffM2501 | both are included with the binary builds |
| 22:53.12 | menotume | ohhh, that's hwy those project files in the plugin dirs |
| 22:53.32 | JeffM2501 | they are suposed to be moved to there own repo |
| 22:53.40 | menotume | gotya |
| 22:53.40 | JeffM2501 | but yes, they are not part of the main build system on windows |
| 22:53.49 | JeffM2501 | linux is as allways "different" |
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| 22:54.26 | menotume | soooo .... |
| 22:54.28 | *** part/#bzflag MatsK (n=mk@c213-100-73-227.swipnet.se) |
| 22:54.30 | menotume | #ifdef _WIN_32 |
| 22:54.41 | menotume | #define strcasecmp stricomp |
| 22:54.44 | menotume | #endif ? |
| 22:54.57 | menotume | with #ifndef around it |
| 22:55.03 | menotume | at the top of my source |
| 22:55.14 | brlcad | Tupone: i more meant whether there is a way to announce/distinguish between a player-client and a bot-client via the api? |
| 22:55.19 | JeffM2501 | menotume, sure |
| 22:55.29 | brlcad | that used to be the BZ_BOT flag |
| 22:55.35 | Tupone | yeah, is with the enter |
| 22:55.43 | menotume | or, should i put that in bzfsAPI.h |
| 22:55.55 | Tupone | that is the same |
| 22:56.10 | brlcad | JeffM2501: not really faster or stronger, but better ;) |
| 22:56.25 | brlcad | at least they won't have to edit anything outside of plugins/ |
| 22:56.28 | brlcad | to add a new one |
| 22:56.37 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 22:56.41 | brlcad | and the plugins can be compiled stand-alone if one wanted |
| 22:56.47 | JeffM2501 | did you change the API or just the build system for them? |
| 22:56.52 | brlcad | just the build system |
| 22:56.55 | JeffM2501 | oh you did the lib thing? |
| 22:57.01 | Thumper_ | Does anyone object to change '/reload' to '/reload all|groups|users|bans' so we can selectively reload things? |
| 22:57.10 | Thumper_ | s/change/changing/ |
| 22:57.28 | brlcad | Thumper_: what's the exact syntax now? |
| 22:57.30 | Tupone | you have one connection, trusting the owner depends on the first player, that could be a bot if you want. Even If I prefer a real subscribed player. Then all other player can use the connection |
| 22:57.32 | menotume | Thumper_: should probably leave the current meaning as it (default to all) |
| 22:57.34 | Thumper_ | just /reload |
| 22:57.42 | Thumper_ | which does everything |
| 22:57.46 | brlcad | i'd think "/reload [all|groups|users|bans]" |
| 22:57.53 | brlcad | where all is default |
| 22:58.00 | Thumper_ | and strips global group users of privs |
| 22:58.01 | menotume | good idea :P |
| 22:58.01 | brlcad | i.e. optional param |
| 22:58.15 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 22:58.26 | brlcad | requiring it just makes more to type for the most frequent case |
| 22:58.38 | Thumper_ | without players losing their @ |
| 22:58.45 | brlcad | yeah, that'll be useful |
| 22:58.55 | Thumper_ | ok thanks |
| 22:59.35 | Thumper_ | the only advantage of changing the meaning of /reload |
| 22:59.44 | Thumper_ | is it could display the format help |
| 22:59.47 | Thumper_ | like other commands do |
| 22:59.56 | Thumper_ | so /reload just displays the syntax |
| 23:00.00 | Thumper_ | and /reload all |
| 23:00.02 | Thumper_ | does the work |
| 23:00.29 | menotume | maybe it's safe to change the meaning in 2.1 |
| 23:00.39 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.40 | brlcad | hmm "maybe" |
| 23:00.45 | Thumper_ | yeah that too :) |
| 23:00.50 | menotume | yes, helpfiles ! |
| 23:01.14 | brlcad | yay, manpages for all bz commands |
| 23:01.33 | Thumper_ | and apropos is next ;) |
| 23:01.34 | menotume | JeffM2501: is it save to defeine strcasecmp in bzfsAPI.h or not ? |
| 23:01.58 | menotume | brlcad: hows that logging coming ? |
| 23:02.00 | brlcad | menotume: there is a configure test for strcasecmp, iirc |
| 23:02.13 | menotume | i couldn't resist |
| 23:02.17 | Pimpinella | /reload svrmsg |
| 23:02.30 | brlcad | the windows headers are supposed to define HAVE_STRCASECMP if they have it in their header |
| 23:02.39 | brlcad | hmm.. though plugins don't use common do they.. |
| 23:02.45 | menotume | no |
| 23:03.13 | brlcad | this is where the new build files could help -- plugins can get their own config |
| 23:06.52 | JeffM2501 | windows dosn't use the build sytstem |
| 23:07.26 | JeffM2501 | our config is hardcoded |
| 23:07.32 | JeffM2501 | and the goal was plugins shoudl not care |
| 23:07.38 | JeffM2501 | since they are supsoed to be cross plat code |
| 23:07.47 | JeffM2501 | but I guess that isn't happening |
| 23:08.23 | JeffM2501 | just take out windows server builds |
| 23:08.23 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03menotume 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: added #define of stricomp for windoze builds |
| 23:12.12 | CIA-2 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/raknet/src/ (BitStream.cpp BitStream.h): add copy contstructor and = operator so that the data in the stream gets copied when bitstreams are copied. ( keeps destructors from crashing ) |
| 23:13.11 | CIA-2 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/client/src/game.cpp: connect to a server now that networking dosn't suck |
| 23:14.07 | CIA-2 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/client/ (inc/menus.h src/menus.cpp): let menu items keep there own selection state ( 1/2ass) |
| 23:15.25 | menotume | 1/2 ass and 'networking doesn't suck'. This all sounds very promising :) |
| 23:15.34 | JeffM2501 | totaly :0 |
| 23:15.43 | JeffM2501 | I so need help :( |
| 23:15.53 | JeffM2501 | I'm not sure of raknet yet |
| 23:16.08 | JeffM2501 | it looks like it can be rather cool |
| 23:16.11 | JeffM2501 | but I keep having to fix it |
| 23:16.47 | JeffM2501 | I mean who'd have thought that RakNet::BitStream bs = hello.pack(); |
| 23:16.47 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.57 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/plugins/nagware/ (7 files): Copy new nagware plugin from v2_0branch |
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| 23:48.12 | spldart | I want to tinker with a 1.1 client/server... I downloaded bzflag-1.10.6-mdk.i586.rpm Is this an appropriate file for a debian machine with dual mp3400's ? |
| 23:48.40 | spldart | And how would I go about unpacking it to a specific place other than on top of my current install |
| 23:48.56 | JeffM2501 | I'd just build it if I were you |
| 23:49.00 | JeffM2501 | it's taged in CVS |
| 23:49.05 | spldart | it is??? |
| 23:49.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:49.12 | spldart | I must have missed it |
| 23:49.13 | JeffM2501 | all majors are taged |
| 23:49.34 | spldart | Is there a man on building and using 1.1? |
| 23:49.40 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:49.43 | JeffM2501 | it's 1.10 |
| 23:49.46 | JeffM2501 | not 1.1 |
| 23:49.54 | JeffM2501 | v1_10_branch |
| 23:49.59 | spldart | I was introduced to BZflag in march and have no experience with 1.1 |
| 23:50.08 | spldart | oh. ok |
| 23:50.12 | spldart | lemme try this |
| 23:50.13 | JeffM2501 | it's mostly the same |
| 23:50.19 | JeffM2501 | spawns are difrent |
| 23:50.21 | JeffM2501 | no wingz |
| 23:50.24 | JeffM2501 | graphics are worse |
| 23:50.34 | JeffM2501 | no global reg |
| 23:50.36 | JeffM2501 | that's about it |
| 23:51.56 | spldart | wanted to run a 1.10 server for a bit for fun and try a client on it. |
| 23:52.07 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:52.15 | JeffM2501 | it'll look like 2.0 with just boxes :) |
| 23:52.18 | JeffM2501 | no meshes |
| 23:52.23 | spldart | ic |
| 23:52.25 | JeffM2501 | the hud is basicly the same |
| 23:53.02 | JeffM2501 | to get real visual difrences you'd go back to like 1.7e4 |
| 23:53.04 | JeffM2501 | or something |
| 23:53.07 | JeffM2501 | probably e2 |
| 23:53.12 | JeffM2501 | that's old hud |
| 23:53.42 | spldart | I was told that 1.10 has some active players still whereas 1.7 does not.. |
| 23:53.58 | JeffM2501 | yes 1.10 does have a few |
| 23:53.59 | spldart | Was hoping to actually get a game going in 1.10 if someone is around to jump on it |
| 23:54.12 | spldart | Just for the novelty |
| 23:54.13 | JeffM2501 | it's mostly die hard people who like the spawn code better |
| 23:54.20 | JeffM2501 | and hate wings |
| 23:55.16 | spldart | I like wings myself |
| 23:55.18 | spldart | heh |
| 23:55.32 | spldart | hrm.. cvs is having issues again |
| 23:56.49 | spldart | so cvs -z3 -d:............................../bzflag co -r v1_10_branch -P bzflag? |
| 23:57.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:57.08 | JeffM2501 | that'll get the last 1.10.x version |
| 23:57.19 | JeffM2501 | basicly the code right before 2.0 |
| 23:57.29 | spldart | thanks jeff... I'll keep trying cvs for a while since I'm familiar with build because of you ;) |
| 23:58.32 | spldart | I think most of the reason is to get on 1900 protocol (or whateva it was) and server and play on that level |
| 23:58.37 | JeffM2501 | there are also tarballs for the sources on the downloads page |
| 23:58.53 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it's going to be as difrent as you expect |
| 23:58.53 | spldart | do those just unpack to a directory as if I did cvs? |
| 23:58.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:59.50 | spldart | If I'm dissappointed I'll chalk it up to experience. I'm still gonna run a 2.0 and 2.1 server... |
