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| 01:09.19 | Noodleman | *sniff* |
| 01:09.23 | Noodleman | it's so beautiful |
| 01:09.26 | Noodleman | such genius |
| 01:09.52 | Noodleman | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/fingertips |
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| 01:23.51 | spldart | I are ... speechless at the albino sheep |
| 01:26.32 | blast007 | the ending was cool, but got really weird after the fork ;) |
| 01:28.08 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/autogen.sh: only restore the backup if we created it, an aborted autogen.sh can leave a stale backup. |
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| 01:50.43 | spldart | Ok.... I'm there... |
| 01:51.30 | spldart | The point at which my value is outweighed by my valuelessness and hindrance factor... teh wine and teh beer have pwnt me... cyah guys. thanks for the fish |
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| 02:36.46 | menotume | hellos fiberchunks |
| 02:38.10 | fiberchunks | I have a graphics question: if I get a dell 2405fpw, do I need a higher end graphics card that supports dual-link (which I'm still not sure quite what that is) to use all the resolution available? |
| 02:38.44 | fiberchunks | I'm googling on it now, but I can't find a 'this is what it is, this is why, this is how you use it' type of link |
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| 02:42.20 | menotume | fiberchunks: got me. Dual-link or dual-head ? |
| 02:42.55 | fiberchunks | nah, I know what dual-head is -- I'm running one now. I'm trying to figure out what all the new (to me anyway) monitor terminology is these days. |
| 02:43.12 | menotume | :) |
| 02:43.13 | fiberchunks | ahhhhh, found a site: http://www.datapro.net/techinfo/dvi_info.html |
| 02:43.19 | fiberchunks | that explains it nicely |
| 02:43.22 | PuMpErNi1kLe | fiberchunks: Dual-link is when the monitor requires more bandwidth than that available in a single dvi connector, so they use two. |
| 02:43.35 | PuMpErNi1kLe | fiberchunks: It doesn't need it. |
| 02:43.36 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 02:43.57 | fiberchunks | what, the 2405fpw doesn't need it? |
| 02:44.14 | PuMpErNi1kLe | fiberchunks: Doesn't look like it. |
| 02:44.21 | PuMpErNi1kLe | It only has one dvi connector. ^_^ |
| 02:45.08 | fiberchunks | yeah, but dual-link does not imply dual connectors, it's a different cable with different pinouts entirely |
| 02:45.21 | PuMpErNi1kLe | hmmm, I may have misread that part :) |
| 02:45.39 | fiberchunks | apparently, according to the link I posted above, it's a cable difference (and thus a port difference on the vid card and monitor) |
| 02:46.06 | fiberchunks | now I'm trying to find out what kind of connector the dell has |
| 02:47.10 | fiberchunks | ah, seems it's native resolution is 1920x1200, so I think it might |
| 02:47.17 | PuMpErNi1kLe | According to http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1764459,00.asp it supports dvi and vga and some other stuff. |
| 02:48.00 | fiberchunks | yeah, I'm looking at the port now, it is a dual-link port |
| 02:48.12 | fiberchunks | also has component and vga inputs too, spiffy |
| 02:48.40 | PuMpErNi1kLe | It is a dual-link? How can you tell? o_O |
| 02:49.08 | fiberchunks | the connector type: look at the page that I linked above, scroll down and check out the image of all the connector types |
| 02:49.49 | fiberchunks | and it seems that it's a digital only DVI port too. |
| 02:53.43 | PuMpErNi1kLe | That's the 'male' connector... from what I can tell, the 'female' connectors all look the same... |
| 02:55.01 | fiberchunks | http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/9/0,1425,sz=1&i=90786,00.jpg << notice the female connector has no little plugs on the lone vertical bar -- thus, it can't accept the Analog DVI cable |
| 02:57.33 | fiberchunks | this is one of the monitors I've been thinking about getting -- although sceptre and samsung are on the short list too. |
| 02:59.17 | PuMpErNi1kLe | hm |
| 03:00.35 | orchid | hi fiberchunks |
| 03:00.42 | fiberchunks | hiya orchid :) |
| 03:00.47 | orchid | I have that monitor btw :) |
| 03:00.48 | fiberchunks | long time no talkie :) |
| 03:00.53 | PuMpErNi1kLe | :o |
| 03:00.57 | fiberchunks | oh goody! how do you like it? |
| 03:01.42 | fiberchunks | do you watch HD content on it? I'm ready around, and I notice it doesn't have the silly HDCP crap in it, so the signal gets downconverted to 480p or some such nonsense |
| 03:01.54 | orchid | it's a tad slower than my crt for playing bzflag but it makes up for it with sheer desktop size |
| 03:02.25 | fiberchunks | 12 ms isn't a bad response time (which is also why I'm looking at the sceptre and samsung models with 8ms response times |
| 03:02.38 | orchid | nah, I watch dvds on it, I don't have cable or sat TV |
| 03:02.46 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 03:03.42 | orchid | do you want to do lots of gaming? |
| 03:04.13 | orchid | oh and I think dell are bringing out a 30in this year too |
| 03:04.23 | fiberchunks | not really -- mostly CAD/CAM work now, which is why I want the real estate -- but gaming performance would be nice |
| 03:04.41 | fiberchunks | indeed, I just saw that, but it's waaaayyyy too expensive -- this thing is pretty affordable |
| 03:05.11 | orchid | oh they already have the 30 in |
| 03:05.20 | fiberchunks | of course, then there's this: http://www.digitaltigers.com/zenview-trio21s.shtml |
| 03:05.33 | fiberchunks | that is what I'd really like |
| 03:06.47 | orchid | hehe |
| 03:07.07 | fiberchunks | or the 4 panel (2 on top / bottom) is spiffy too :) |
| 03:07.53 | orchid | http://www.9xmedia.com/Pages-products/X-Desk_Multi-Screen_Furniture.html |
| 03:08.08 | fiberchunks | mmmmm, delicious :) |
| 03:09.56 | fiberchunks | now, to decide what bank to rob to accomplish this ;) |
| 03:10.10 | fiberchunks | how have you been? |
| 03:10.19 | orchid | busy but fine |
| 03:10.27 | fiberchunks | glad to hear it |
| 03:10.47 | orchid | did you ever move out west? |
| 03:10.57 | fiberchunks | no, i'm still stuck in NE |
| 03:10.59 | orchid | I recall plans for that |
| 03:11.11 | fiberchunks | indeed, there were, but bills got in the way |
| 03:11.21 | orchid | aww, hehe I know the feeling |
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| 03:11.50 | orchid | ~leet pumpernickle |
| 03:12.08 | orchid | ~rot13 pumpernickle |
| 03:12.08 | ibot | chzcreavpxyr |
| 03:12.24 | spldart | mental note.... never assign another debian boxen the ip that your bzfs boxen is already using :eek: wget just isn't worth it |
| 03:13.52 | orchid | spldart: /etc/hosts is good to keep track of that stuff |
| 03:14.41 | orchid | fiberchunks: do you play at all now? |
| 03:15.06 | orchid | we need a game of decks some time |
| 03:15.45 | fiberchunks | no, not really, I mostly stopped playing any sort of games due to time constraints (2 jobs and all that jazz) |
| 03:15.56 | orchid | yep yep |
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| 03:34.03 | spldart | hrm....me thinks it was the wine more than the me checking before I just pulled an ip out of thin air |
| 03:34.08 | spldart | but thanks... |
| 03:37.14 | nitrosport_5 | it is more talkitive in here than usual |
| 03:38.35 | nitrosport_5 | btw this is Matt? from bzflag. that callsign here was already taken |
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| 03:49.52 | brlcad | go figure ;) |
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| 15:18.55 | menotume | !seen tupone |
| 15:19.02 | menotume | ~seen tupone |
| 15:19.15 | ibot | tupone <n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 17h 2m 26s ago, saying: 'menotume: ping'. |
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| 17:52.32 | Tupone | ping menotume |
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| 17:57.22 | Alex135 | Sry to need to ask this but, aproxomatly how long dose it take for a textur to be aproved and uploaded... i submited a textur yesterday and i still havnt goten any reply |
| 17:57.48 | JeffM2501 | I haven't looked at the fourums today |
| 17:57.51 | RPG_ | where are you uploading the *texture* to? |
| 17:57.52 | JeffM2501 | so when I do they go up |
| 17:58.07 | Alex135 | ok thx JeffM |
| 17:58.08 | JeffM2501 | and I didn't do much yesterday ether :0 |
| 17:58.15 | JeffM2501 | had to take down x-mass lights |
| 17:58.24 | Alex135 | lol ok |
| 17:58.43 | Alex135 | so about what time can i expect the texture to be up and hosted? |
| 17:59.16 | JeffM2501 | it's not an exact time thing |
| 17:59.19 | JeffM2501 | I'll get it today |
| 17:59.28 | Alex135 | ok thx :-) |
| 17:59.47 | JeffM2501 | I mean is somone going to DIE if your texture dosn't get hosted? |
| 18:00.08 | Alex135 | no lol i just need it for a map im working on |
| 18:00.22 | JeffM2501 | then host them local as you work on it |
| 18:00.32 | JeffM2501 | and when it goes up just add in the URL part |
| 18:00.52 | JeffM2501 | I have to do some real world work first |
| 18:01.00 | Alex135 | ok... |
| 18:01.03 | Alex135 | thx :) |
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| 18:12.53 | JeffM2501 | or he could have stayed a bit |
| 18:28.10 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Ciao |
| 18:28.41 | Tupone | hi ToughShooter |
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| 18:33.27 | bz8185 | anyone know how to get a irc cgi for Utopia? |
| 18:33.36 | bz8185 | need one for irc.utonet.org |
| 18:34.42 | brad2901 | whhhat |
| 18:35.21 | JeffM2501 | they google search for web IRC to see how to set them up |
| 18:35.27 | JeffM2501 | menotume, you arround? |
| 18:35.32 | brad2901 | i see |
| 18:36.04 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Do I only need to change the .in files in man dir to update man pages? |
| 18:36.16 | Tupone | yep |
| 18:36.42 | ToughShooter | hehe, I won't see them ever, though |
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| 18:51.23 | ToughShooter | Tupone: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1407583&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 18:52.21 | Tupone | ty |
| 18:53.19 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I would highly recommend to test the man pages first :/ |
| 18:53.31 | Tupone | yep, I will |
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| 18:53.42 | _Manu_ | lol |
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| 18:54.13 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: Who are you refering to? |
| 18:54.27 | _Manu_ | your last sentence ;) |
| 18:55.01 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: Hopefully knowing when being unsure is a quality, too. |
| 18:56.09 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, you can test yourself doing: man -l manfile ;) |
| 18:56.39 | Tupone | ToughShooter: however, I higly prefer all the change to be in the same "patch item" in this case reopening, to trace them. Not a problem now |
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| 18:57.22 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, but it's good to warn :) |
| 18:58.19 | ToughShooter | Tupone: k |
| 18:58.51 | Tupone | you did that in 2.1 ? |
| 19:02.02 | _Manu_ | Tupone, try it and see :) |
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| 19:03.39 | spldart | ~seen TD-Linux |
| 19:03.55 | ibot | td-linux <n=TD-Linux@24-159-197-101.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 21h 30m 13s ago, saying: 'all anonymous broke again'. |
| 19:07.47 | spldart | ?>Dev's I was able to recreate td-linux's problem of being kicked off my 2.1 server periodically after a minute or 5 by using client with a libcurl.dll appropriate to say vintage 2.0.5 b2 release or so. Is that considered an inappropriate or to old a libcurl to use with clients (even bzadmin) to connect to a 2.1.x server? |
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| 19:08.33 | spldart | Or possibly more to the point... are libcurls SPECIFIC to a release version? |
| 19:09.03 | spldart | I thought they were generic and the only consideration was the version... is it new enough |
| 19:09.59 | Tupone | libcurl is better being provided with c-ares support |
| 19:10.21 | spldart | How would I check that? |
| 19:10.32 | Tupone | linux or windows? |
| 19:11.07 | menotume | Tupone: pong :) |
| 19:11.15 | Tupone | I sent you a meme |
| 19:11.17 | spldart | never mind... found out |
| 19:11.20 | Tupone | meno |
| 19:11.26 | Tupone | a memotune |
| 19:11.33 | menotume | a memo, meno ? |
| 19:11.34 | spldart | The libcurl in 2.0.5 b2 did not have C ares |
| 19:11.51 | Tupone | you got that ? |
| 19:11.55 | menotume | yes |
| 19:11.57 | spldart | The libcurl I grabbed to replace for 2.1.x client does have Cares |
| 19:11.57 | menotume | umm |
| 19:12.12 | spldart | Sorry for my mess up |
| 19:12.25 | spldart | Oh.. and Windows at this time |
| 19:12.26 | menotume | Tupone: becuase make distclean didn't remove it :) |
| 19:12.39 | Tupone | naha, because you cvs add * :) |
| 19:13.02 | spldart | I wonder if that had anything to do with TD-Linux's problem yesterday |
| 19:13.10 | menotume | well no, but I am a autogen dummy |
| 19:13.32 | Tupone | you should add to the cvs whatever you write by hand :) |
| 19:15.17 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/nagware/Makefile.in: Tupola made me do it. |
| 19:15.22 | menotume | Tupone: i did. But, there are a bunch of flies in puglins |
| 19:15.39 | menotume | one source file, about 10 other 'support' files |
| 19:15.51 | Tupone | kill them all, no flies in CVS |
| 19:16.04 | Tupone | DDT ? |
| 19:16.35 | menotume | lol |
| 19:17.21 | _Manu_ | DDT is forbiden :) |
| 19:19.36 | ToughShooter | Can global login fail when I have 5-9% packetloss at a specific gameserver (and only there) or is global auth just plain slow these days? |
| 19:20.23 | Tupone | login are all tcp ... maybe a timeout |
| 19:21.16 | menotume | is just plain slow :) |
| 19:21.42 | Tupone | make maintainer-clean ??? |
| 19:21.55 | menotume | hmm, didn't try that |
| 19:22.06 | menotume | how many cleans do we have ? |
| 19:22.25 | Tupone | make clean -> clean the result of make |
| 19:22.38 | Tupone | make distclean -> clean the result of configure |
| 19:22.54 | Tupone | make maintainer-clean-> clean the result of autogen |
| 19:23.00 | menotume | ahhhh, kewl |
| 19:23.02 | menotume | thx |
| 19:23.29 | Tupone | at least in theory :) |
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| 19:26.06 | spldart | Well crap.. c-ares support libcurl made it act faster and more reliable but it still get's the boot... Any other dll's mission critical? |
| 19:26.36 | Tupone | ToughShooter: cvs diff -u > conf.patch ... I mean no cut-paste otherwise I get silly after that |
| 19:27.10 | ToughShooter | Tupone: ? |
| 19:27.28 | Tupone | I get problem on merging that simple patch |
| 19:27.50 | ToughShooter | oh, sorry |
| 19:27.52 | Tupone | I suppose tab -> space and some other variation are causing that |
| 19:28.29 | ToughShooter | My whitespace is always ... something extra .. many people have had probs with it |
| 19:28.53 | Tupone | if you just redirect to the file, I should have no problem |
| 19:29.25 | ToughShooter | I copied all the text inside the terminal and deleted the unneeded parts in SubEthaEdit |
| 19:30.26 | Tupone | just use the ">" |
| 19:30.56 | ToughShooter | yes, to be sure I'll delete using vi now |
| 19:31.21 | ToughShooter | or should I just let the not needed stuff inside? |
| 19:32.17 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I saw I forget removing the first lines in patch, can you delete them locally and try again? |
| 19:32.59 | Tupone | first line of what? |
| 19:33.40 | ToughShooter | in patch the first lines beginning with '?' |
| 19:33.56 | Tupone | I don't have it |
| 19:36.43 | ToughShooter | Tupone: CVS diff -u > config.patch still prints it in bash |
| 19:37.08 | Tupone | s/CVS/cvs/ ? |
| 19:37.57 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I used uppercase |
| 19:37.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (man/bzfs.6.in misc/bzfs.conf misc/bzfs_conf.html): Jitter changes 2, to doc and conf. From Thomas Stauer |
| 19:38.19 | Tupone | dunno. Command here is lower |
| 19:39.24 | ToughShooter | interesting...now my local sources have no diffs to anon CVS :/ |
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| 19:39.56 | Tupone | or they are in config.patch ? |
| 19:40.02 | bz0138 | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 20:06.48 | Tupone | hmm screenshot patch from lan56 does not compile, does only odd numbered files, and restart from 0 every time :( I'm thinking about removing, if nobody will fix that |
| 20:07.03 | Tupone | is already in CVS :/ |
| 20:15.21 | DTRemenak | Tupone: I'm not sure he ever tests his work |
| 20:16.04 | Tupone | he cannot put that in this status :/ |
| 20:17.47 | Chestal | is it in 2.0, 2.1 or both? |
| 20:18.00 | Tupone | 2.1 |
| 20:20.03 | ToughShooter | ~Tupone++ |
| 20:20.16 | Chestal | I might take a look at it tomorrow at work then if I find the time |
| 20:20.37 | Chestal | at least the Linux/Unix part |
| 20:20.42 | Tupone | he inverted windows and non windows |
| 20:21.02 | ruskie | this just in.. |
| 20:21.03 | ruskie | [GrokLaw] " EU Commission Wants Patents. Yes. Again." -> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060116105000582 |
| 20:21.11 | Tupone | the SF patch could be correct, I suppose, and is only windows |
| 20:21.56 | Chestal | ah, yes, the #ifdef is inverted |
| 20:22.46 | Tupone | s/windows/non windows/ |
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| 20:37.11 | Legoguy | well that stinks |
| 20:37.15 | Legoguy | bzflag caused X to crash |
| 20:37.25 | Legoguy | zero messages in dmesg, checking log now |
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| 20:37.57 | Legoguy | Fatal server error: |
| 20:37.58 | Legoguy | Caught signal 11. Server aborting |
| 20:38.06 | Legoguy | thats it |
| 20:38.24 | Legoguy | using Xorg 7.0 modular |
| 20:38.34 | spldart | Is that a latest bz client? |
| 20:38.39 | Legoguy | 2.0.4 |
| 20:38.43 | spldart | oh.. |
| 20:38.53 | Legoguy | BZFlag client 2.0.4.20051122-STABLE-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 20:39.21 | spldart | hadn't run 7.0 yet |
| 20:39.42 | Legoguy | its weird cause whenever i get those screen flickery things i described a couple days ago, im always at lasermania |
| 20:39.53 | Legoguy | i think it might have something to do with so many lasers, or something |
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| 20:56.41 | spldart | Hrm... I have the latest dll's on a version of bzadmin that I believe LAN compiled for windows and shared a copy with me... It works fine at home on an xp pro machine in the network addressed to spldart.bakadigital.com but hear at work it does not stay online for more than 10 minutes. I get a communication error |
| 20:57.04 | spldart | Sorry. compiled for windows and 2.1.x |
| 20:57.44 | spldart | I'm running along side it a bzadmin for 2.0.x that works fine.... Unless the server gets real busy then it will fail with comunication error too. |
| 20:58.16 | spldart | Curious question. Does bzfs 2.1 generate any more traffic than bzfs 2.0 did while idle |
| 20:58.39 | spldart | I know probably not :( |
| 21:03.04 | Legoguy | we need an op in lasermania fast, tk invasion |
| 21:03.11 | brad2901 | coming :p |
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| 21:08.18 | CBG | yello JeffM2501 :) |
| 21:08.25 | JeffM2501 | hiya |
| 21:09.44 | CBG | I'm supposed to write a review of BZFlag... would it be ok to just write down "go to #bzflag on irc.freenode.net and speak to JeffM2501" instead? :P |
| 21:10.03 | JeffM2501 | "suposed to"? |
| 21:10.06 | JeffM2501 | who's making you? |
| 21:10.24 | CBG | It's for my Young Enterprise group. We are producing a magazine. |
| 21:10.31 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 21:10.38 | CBG | Hmm... |
| 21:10.44 | CBG | Feels like homework. |
| 21:10.56 | JeffM2501 | what other games are you going to contrast it against? |
| 21:11.09 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:11.13 | CBG | JeffM2501: None. |
| 21:11.23 | JeffM2501 | Mr. Cad.. you have the con! |
| 21:11.36 | JeffM2501 | CBG, sounds like it will be a rather one sided review then :) |
| 21:11.42 | JeffM2501 | what's the goal of the review? |
| 21:11.50 | CBG | heh... |
| 21:11.59 | CBG | I haven't thought it through... |
| 21:12.04 | brlcad | launch the torpedo photon deflectors! |
| 21:12.05 | CBG | It doesnt have to be int ill tomorrow... |
| 21:12.08 | JeffM2501 | you may want to read other siftware reviews |
| 21:12.08 | CBG | I have an hour yet. |
| 21:12.17 | CBG | I have read games reviews before. |
| 21:12.28 | JeffM2501 | That'll tear the ship apart!!!!! |
| 21:12.31 | CBG | I don't often see many that compare in any detail to others. |
| 21:12.42 | JeffM2501 | not in detail no |
| 21:12.49 | DTRemenak | We need more power! |
| 21:12.51 | CBG | Maybe make reference to... |
| 21:12.55 | JeffM2501 | but then often give a summary saying what its like |
| 21:13.05 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak reverse polaritys |
| 21:13.10 | CBG | And, if I actually played any other games, I would compare them... ... |
| 21:13.37 | JeffM2501 | a good review gives you an indication on why to use the thing reviewed over other things of the same type |
| 21:13.40 | JeffM2501 | or to not use it |
| 21:13.56 | CBG | So, my review will suck... |
| 21:14.06 | JeffM2501 | a description dosn't mean much unless it's got something to calabrate it |
| 21:14.15 | CBG | People won't know that 'till they've bought the magazine anyway. |
| 21:14.18 | JeffM2501 | you can't just say you like it, and expect others to trust you :) |
| 21:14.26 | CBG | I won't. |
| 21:14.30 | JeffM2501 | CBG, but then they won't get issue 2 |
| 21:14.37 | CBG | I'll say it and expect they wont trust me. |
| 21:14.38 | JeffM2501 | if they know the reviews are crap |
| 21:14.41 | CBG | Issue 2??? |
| 21:14.52 | JeffM2501 | I asume you are suposed to treat this as a real mag? |
| 21:14.54 | CBG | Besides, my review will be one of about 12 articles. :P |
| 21:14.59 | JeffM2501 | as in you want to get people to get MORE |
| 21:15.04 | CBG | Its a one off fund raiser. |
| 21:15.05 | JeffM2501 | if it's just a one shot |
| 21:15.11 | JeffM2501 | then put a naked girl on the cover |
| 21:15.16 | JeffM2501 | you'll sell tons |
| 21:15.20 | CBG | No it wont. |
| 21:15.22 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 21:15.24 | CBG | Maybe a naked guy. |
| 21:15.32 | JeffM2501 | one of each |
| 21:15.37 | JeffM2501 | cover all bases |
| 21:15.44 | CBG | Hmm... |
| 21:15.50 | CBG | What about the lesbians and gays? |
| 21:15.56 | JeffM2501 | that's why you have one of each |
| 21:16.06 | CBG | One of each... together on the same cover would put homosexuals off... |
| 21:16.20 | JeffM2501 | if your just going for instant pickup, it's all in the cover |
| 21:16.28 | JeffM2501 | depends how you do it |
| 21:16.32 | CBG | Well, im not doing ze cover. |
| 21:16.33 | JeffM2501 | make em playing ping pong |
| 21:16.39 | CBG | lol |
| 21:18.38 | JeffM2501 | what is the fund raiser for? |
| 21:18.41 | JeffM2501 | just your group? |
| 21:18.50 | CBG | Yeah. |
| 21:18.59 | CBG | We hope to hold a gig in a few months... |
| 21:19.03 | CBG | But we have no dosh. |
| 21:19.14 | JeffM2501 | wouldn't it be better for you to learn by making valid product, then to beg for handouts? |
| 21:19.24 | CBG | Beg for handouts? |
| 21:19.36 | CBG | We are making and selling a high quality magazine. :P |
| 21:19.51 | JeffM2501 | fundraiser usualy means, you are selling a donation type system, rather then the product |
| 21:20.03 | JeffM2501 | like those overpriced candy bar |
| 21:20.11 | CBG | We are raising funds... hence fund-raiser. |
| 21:20.17 | JeffM2501 | mags are low proffit IIRC |
| 21:20.19 | CBG | The price will be about 50pence. (30¢). Not exactly extortion. |
| 21:20.30 | JeffM2501 | and the cost to make? |
| 21:20.49 | CBG | Not much. We are writing all content ourselves. |
| 21:20.58 | JeffM2501 | time is money |
| 21:21.00 | CBG | I guess it'll just be photocopied and stapled then. |
| 21:21.10 | JeffM2501 | so much for the "quality" part then :) |
| 21:21.19 | CBG | Sshhh! |
| 21:21.53 | JeffM2501 | soumds more like you expect people to buy it to help out your group, then for what's in it |
| 21:22.03 | CBG | No no! |
| 21:22.15 | purple_cow | i'll give you a tip |
| 21:22.18 | CBG | Well... actually, yes yes. |
| 21:22.22 | purple_cow | sales are not what makes money for a magazine |
| 21:22.29 | JeffM2501 | it's ads |
| 21:22.32 | JeffM2501 | the ads make the cash |
| 21:22.36 | CBG | I thought that myself... |
| 21:22.43 | CBG | 5mins after our meeting... |
| 21:22.46 | JeffM2501 | your doing a flyer |
| 21:22.49 | JeffM2501 | not a mag |
| 21:22.58 | CBG | We are? |
| 21:23.04 | CBG | Or... we would be if we had ads..? |
| 21:23.04 | JeffM2501 | sounds like it |
| 21:23.16 | JeffM2501 | mags are usualy more then one shots too |
| 21:23.22 | CBG | Tough. |
| 21:23.30 | CBG | Not my idea. |
| 21:23.40 | CBG | I'm just writing an article. |
| 21:23.52 | JeffM2501 | then you have the corporate method down pat :) |
| 21:23.55 | JeffM2501 | "not my job" |
| 21:24.04 | JeffM2501 | let someone else get rich off your ideas |
| 21:24.11 | CBG | Heh... |
| 21:24.18 | CBG | you just said it wouldnt make us rich :P |
| 21:24.24 | JeffM2501 | it won't |
| 21:24.35 | JeffM2501 | but there is chance in all things |
| 21:24.42 | JeffM2501 | I am not the final authority in all thigns |
| 21:24.46 | JeffM2501 | if I was that would suck |
| 21:24.49 | CBG | I have a stake in the company. |
| 21:24.51 | JeffM2501 | everything would be my fualt |
| 21:25.00 | CBG | If we do well, I get a return. |
| 21:25.04 | JeffM2501 | if you have a stake, then why don't you care how it will do? |
| 21:25.08 | CBG | if not I'll lose up to £10. |
| 21:25.18 | CBG | I do care... |
| 21:25.26 | JeffM2501 | then why do you not make sure they do it right |
| 21:25.35 | JeffM2501 | instead of saying "I'm just writing an article" |
| 21:25.39 | CBG | What are we doing wrong? |
| 21:25.48 | CBG | I *AM* just writing an article. |
| 21:25.58 | CBG | I'm on the lowest rung on the ladder |
| 21:26.05 | JeffM2501 | but if you have a stake, then you have input into the design process |
| 21:26.23 | CBG | I have the same stake as everyone else. |
| 21:26.29 | JeffM2501 | well you said yourslef your not maximising your profits by doing adverts |
| 21:26.31 | CBG | There are 12 or 13 of us in the group. |
| 21:26.47 | CBG | JeffM2501: I intend to tell the MD that when I see her. |
| 21:26.59 | JeffM2501 | call her up :) |
| 21:27.06 | CBG | bah |
| 21:27.15 | JeffM2501 | take the initative |
| 21:27.15 | CBG | I don't _do_ phone calls. |
| 21:27.21 | JeffM2501 | rool a 20! |
| 21:27.29 | CBG | eh? |
| 21:27.30 | JeffM2501 | send her an e-mail |
| 21:27.32 | JeffM2501 | chat her up |
| 21:27.40 | CBG | my MD? |
| 21:27.46 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 21:27.47 | JeffM2501 | why not |
| 21:27.53 | CBG | who probably has a boyfriend... tss |
| 21:27.58 | JeffM2501 | you never know till you try |
| 21:28.10 | JeffM2501 | and if she does, nothing lost |
| 21:28.13 | CBG | You never get a slap till you try either. |
| 21:28.16 | JeffM2501 | nothing ventured, nothing gained |
| 21:28.23 | CBG | Except a slap... |
| 21:28.26 | JeffM2501 | you only get slaped if you are stupid |
| 21:28.34 | CBG | I _am_ stupid! |
| 21:28.37 | trepan | or drunk |
| 21:28.48 | CBG | No. Stupid. |
| 21:28.50 | CBG | i don't drink. |
| 21:28.52 | JeffM2501 | if your drunk you may not remember the slap :) |
| 21:28.58 | CBG | i don't drink. |
| 21:29.15 | JeffM2501 | still beter then stiing and doing nothing |
| 21:29.28 | CBG | What is? |
| 21:29.34 | trepan | if she's practiced, she'll leave marks |
| 21:29.43 | CBG | trepan: yeah. She will. |
| 21:30.35 | Birdie | you always get slapped some times, like that you become a real man:) |
| 21:31.03 | CBG | I've been slapped, several times.. |
| 21:31.15 | CBG | It's not so much the pain, more the loss of face... |
| 21:31.36 | Birdie | its always the situation that does it |
| 21:31.43 | Birdie | you can be slapped without loosing your face to |
| 21:32.01 | CBG | Hey, birdie! |
| 21:32.06 | CBG | I can't slap her back! |
| 21:32.21 | CBG | heh :P |
| 21:33.22 | purple_cow | sometimes i really do wonder if we're too harsh in our relentless crushing of the idealistic dreams of youth |
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| 21:33.39 | CBG | dreams? I have no stinking dreams. |
| 21:33.48 | CBG | Only nightmares. |
| 21:34.11 | CBG | And only then, when I get to bed before 2AM. |
| 21:35.17 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow,how else will they learn of the world :) |
| 21:35.36 | JeffM2501 | I don't want to crush his dreams, I just want him to make the most of them |
| 21:35.54 | CBG | What dream?!?!! |
| 21:35.55 | JeffM2501 | and sometimes slaping is fun :) |
| 21:36.10 | CBG | Isn't that called spanking, JeffM2501 ? |
| 21:36.24 | JeffM2501 | only if you do it right |
| 21:36.35 | CBG | Well, I'm sure you would know. |
| 21:38.22 | spldart | Should I be reading this?!?! |
| 21:39.12 | CBG | Probably not... :P |
| 21:39.17 | spldart | ;) |
| 21:39.21 | purple_cow | hmm, speaking of slapping/hitting/what-have-you |
| 21:39.37 | purple_cow | it's time for me to go make my minions do such things |
| 21:39.49 | JeffM2501 | whip the mini-onions in to shape! |
| 21:39.55 | CBG | Whip?? |
| 21:40.41 | JeffM2501 | it's ether that or the candle wax |
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| 22:07.19 | Legoguy | ok how bad is that, someone comes into lasermania and asked 'has it crashed yet' and shortly after being told no my bzflag freezes |
| 22:08.53 | orange | sounds like the kids are coming back |
| 22:08.53 | ToughShooter | Sounds like someone tried to attack the server |
| 22:09.09 | orange | anybody can get IP's from that server? |
| 22:09.21 | ToughShooter | LouMan runs it |
| 22:10.09 | orange | but is anyone in contact with him? |
| 22:10.13 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 22:10.31 | ToughShooter | dunno |
| 22:10.37 | DTRemenak | it's on bzflag.bz right? |
| 22:11.00 | ToughShooter | louman.bzflag.bz:2807 |
| 22:11.03 | orange | oh, cool |
| 22:11.12 | DTRemenak | the logs can be obtained |
| 22:11.19 | orange | yeah |
| 22:12.38 | menotume | i was DOSed here 2 hours ago |
| 22:14.02 | Thumper_ | what server |
| 22:14.14 | ToughShooter | proxs I think |
| 22:15.32 | orange | ToughShooter: ? |
| 22:15.54 | ToughShooter | orange: is proxs yours? |
| 22:16.06 | orange | yes |
| 22:16.11 | orange | why? |
| 22:16.37 | ToughShooter | I wonder which server meno has because he said he was "DOSed" |
| 22:16.56 | orange | no, I think he means web |
| 22:16.58 | menotume | my home box |
| 22:17.11 | menotume | nothing in lasermania logs |
| 22:18.29 | menotume | very little activity in that time frame |
| 22:19.35 | Thumper_ | Legoguy was talking about his X crashing (not the bzflag server) |
| 22:20.20 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (n=bzgirl@unaffiliated/orchid) |
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| 22:20.36 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 22:24.38 | *** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (n=ts@p54B030DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:34.40 | CBG | Hmm... running out of ideas for this review... |
| 22:35.06 | CBG | I knew there was a reason why I don't do this sort of thing for fun. :| |
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| 22:46.55 | blast007 | in regards to that screenshot incrementing thing...wouldn't it be easier to just store some value in the config? |
| 22:48.26 | menotume | easier, yes, but not as fun |
| 22:48.29 | blast007 | then you don't need to scan the directory, and screenshots would still be linerally numbered instead of filling in gaps where screenshots were deleted |
| 22:48.43 | menotume | and, you can change it if you want |
| 22:49.20 | blast007 | finishing up my Visual Studio install, then I'm gonna play around with it a bit |
| 22:49.28 | Legoguy | another segfault |
| 22:49.33 | Legoguy | something changed in bzflag |
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| 22:50.00 | Legoguy | and whatever it is it doesn't play well with nvidia linux |
| 22:50.11 | blast007 | 2.0? |
| 22:50.12 | Legoguy | and it happens the most on lasermania |
| 22:50.19 | Legoguy | since 2.0.2 it seems |
| 22:51.25 | Legoguy | haven't noticied it yet in 2.1 but i dont play that much on that, and its not in a lasermania style map, so.. |
| 22:51.54 | Legoguy | id be willing to put up a 2.1 lasermania if it might help testing |
| 22:54.00 | Legoguy | have there been any cvs changes to v2_0branch, or is it the same as 2.0.4 |
| 22:54.02 | blast007 | ever used GDB? |
| 22:54.07 | Legoguy | yeh |
| 22:54.12 | menotume | Legoguy: I don't have any probs on lasermania |
| 22:54.14 | blast007 | no, there have been changes |
| 22:54.16 | Legoguy | for a backtrace, and thats about it |
| 22:54.19 | menotume | 2.04 / nvidia / linux |
| 22:54.49 | Legoguy | what nvidia driver version |
| 22:55.21 | Legoguy | what compiler, what glibc, etc etc |
| 22:55.41 | menotume | uggg |
| 22:55.48 | menotume | let's see |
| 22:56.01 | Legoguy | kernel version too |
| 22:56.03 | Legoguy | ;P |
| 22:56.08 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:56.11 | menotume | phone number ? |
| 22:56.15 | Legoguy | might help |
| 22:56.31 | menotume | Linux version 2.6.9-1.667 (bhcompile@tweety.build.redhat.com) (gcc version 3.4.2 20041017 (Red Hat 3.4.2-6.fc3)) #1 Tue Nov 2 14:41:25 EST 2004 |
| 22:56.40 | Legoguy | [ info ] Computer Name: legobase | Kernel Version: Linux 2.6.15-nitro2 |
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| 22:56.52 | Legoguy | slightly patched 2.6.15 |
| 22:57.08 | menotume | hmm |
| 22:57.19 | Legoguy | gcc -dumpversion |
| 22:57.22 | CBG | JeffM2501: I remembered why I don't write reviews for fun... |
| 22:57.24 | Legoguy | 4.0.2 |
| 22:57.34 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 22:57.35 | Legoguy | hmm wait |
| 22:57.39 | JeffM2501 | cus you can't think what to write |
| 22:57.46 | menotume | nvidia ver: 1.0-7174 |
| 22:57.50 | CBG | Partly... |
| 22:57.56 | Legoguy | media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8178 |
| 22:57.57 | CBG | Also, what I can think of to write, plain sucks. |
| 22:58.12 | Legoguy | try updating your drivers |
| 22:58.18 | Legoguy | this seems like a driver issue |
| 22:58.19 | Legoguy | cause i get |
| 22:58.29 | Legoguy | NVRM: Xid: 3, C 00000002 SC 00000001 M 0000180c Data 00010000 |
| 22:58.29 | Legoguy | NVRM: Xid: 27, L1 -> L0 |
| 22:58.37 | Legoguy | repeated in dmesg |
| 22:58.41 | CBG | JeffM2501: I have almost a page so far... heh. |
| 22:58.50 | Legoguy | those are nvidia debugging codes |
| 22:59.07 | JeffM2501 | CBG, um ok..... |
| 22:59.13 | blast007 | Legoguy: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=NVRM%3A+Xid%3A+3 |
| 22:59.19 | CBG | Thats a lot for me! heh |
| 22:59.22 | menotume | hmm, why would i want to upgrade my driver? so it crashes ? |
| 22:59.24 | JeffM2501 | CBG, um ok..... |
| 22:59.39 | Legoguy | menotume: testing, so we might be able to confirm its not just me? ;D |
| 23:01.43 | menotume | hmm, no thx |
| 23:01.52 | menotume | i prefer not to live on the bleeding edge |
| 23:02.00 | menotume | if it ain't broke, don't fix it |
| 23:02.26 | blast007 | bleeding is bad, especially on light colored carpet |
| 23:05.12 | blast007 | Legoguy: can you get an older driver, and see if that fixes the crashes? :) |
| 23:05.23 | Legoguy | ill try |
| 23:05.30 | JeffM2501 | so how do we set up a cronjob on mybo to delete dead accounts? |
| 23:05.43 | menotume | ahhh, that's easy :) |
| 23:05.55 | JeffM2501 | every hour |
| 23:06.00 | JeffM2501 | with a backlog time of 1 day |
| 23:06.30 | Legoguy | going back to 6629 |
| 23:07.58 | Legoguy | brbv |
| 23:08.00 | Legoguy | -v |
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| 23:15.13 | Legoguy | k back down to 7167 (older than that wont work for some reason) |
| 23:15.22 | Legoguy | time for testing |
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| 23:26.56 | awright | Dows anyone know how a frog could be related to BZFlag? |
| 23:27.10 | awright | er... does... |
| 23:28.26 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 23:35.52 | JeffM2501 | it rains frogs |
| 23:35.59 | JeffM2501 | sometimes |
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| 23:44.26 | menotume | frogs can jump, but tanks can't |
