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02:54.45Ice_Weweoh joy
02:54.54Ice_WeweI'm having that wonderful GL problem again.
02:55.23Ice_Wewe"configure: WARNING: Client build has been requested, but GL is not fully available (missing gl.h)
02:55.23Ice_Wewe"
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02:55.35Ice_Wewe/usr/X11R6/include/gl.h
02:59.00blast007Ice_Wewe: check the config.log to see if that is the real issue
02:59.21Ice_Weweblast007: what am I looking for?
02:59.48blast007something about gl.h  ;)
03:00.04Ice_Weweconfigure:25567: WARNING: Client build has been requested, but GL is not fully available (missing gl.h)      ... disabling client generation
03:00.23Ice_Weweconfigure:25374: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -I/usr/local/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/X11R6/include   -L/usr/X11R6/lib64 conftest.c -lGL -lXi -lXxf86vm -lXext  -lSM -lICE -lX11   -lm -L/usr/lib64 -lcurl -L/usr/lib6464 -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -L/usr/lib64 -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lz  -L/usr/local/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib -lSDL -lpthread >&5
03:00.34Ice_Wewe(whoops, sorry for long paste)
03:00.39blast007probably a line with 'error' in it
03:01.10Ice_Wewecc1plus: error: invalid option 'dynamic-no-pic'
03:03.25blast007use a file editor to search for GL, and then locate an error near that spot
03:03.40Ice_Weweconfigure:25377: $? = 0
03:03.40Ice_Weweconfigure:25379: ./conftest
03:03.40Ice_Weweconfigure:25382: $? = 0
03:03.40Ice_Weweconfigure:25401: result: yes
03:03.52Ice_Wewethere is no "error:" near that spot
03:05.18blast007have a webhost that you can throw the config.log up on?  pastebin probably can't accept the whole file
03:06.18Ice_Wewehttp://bzflag.pastebin.ca/34959
03:07.13Ice_Wewearound line 25377 ;)
03:11.42Ice_Wewewell, I'm calling it a night
03:11.57Ice_Wewebut I am beginning to think that 64bit isn't all it's cracked up to be...
03:12.23Ice_Weweto Jeff's horror, I went 64 today
03:12.27Ice_Wewewell, goot night
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04:02.18TuponeIce_Wewe: probably you're missing GL/glu.h
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04:37.17I_Died_Oncei HAVE A QUESTION...
04:37.22I_Died_Oncesorry, caps...
04:38.20I_Died_OnceHow stable is v2_0 CVS right now? Would I be ok building bzfs & a client without needing an act of God?
04:47.12I_Died_Onceplease, not so many at once...
04:57.25A_Meteoriteg'night all
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05:02.04I_Died_OnceThis new line of cheaters... they seem to be young and naive. I believe when the time is right, we can draw them out "hook, line, and sinker"
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05:16.12I_Died_Oncehttp://www.coopstuff.com/Pages/Posters96/images/96-10%20ministry.jpg
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05:52.01GDTRFBany secretplace admins here?
05:57.06GDTRFBwell, if any show up, please check the logs around 1130P CST...
05:57.47GDTRFBand look for PMs from a handle "Cosmo" to me, Cowboy Neal...
05:58.11JeffM2501if you have a thing, just report it, it will be read
05:59.04GDTRFBthat person said they had a gun, and if I killed them (in the game), they would kill themself (in the real world)...
05:59.23JeffM2501a common threat in online gaming
05:59.31JeffM2501like I said, report it and the admins will read it
05:59.46JeffM2501you'd be suprised at the threats you get when online
06:00.10GDTRFBoh, ok...I blew up his tank...he never respawned...and then just timed out...it was all very, very creepy...
06:00.23JeffM2501then you fell victim to his game
06:00.48JeffM2501I'm still waiting for mikeeusa to come "murder me with his bow"
06:00.59GDTRFBi hope he was just kidding...it's a tough time of year for some people...
06:01.17JeffM2501he was intimidating you in the only way he knew how
06:01.20JeffM2501abject lies
06:01.27JeffM2501common trait of many children
06:02.23blast007the /report command in-game will leave a message for the server admins
06:02.32GDTRFBlike i said, i hope so...worth a check of the logs, tho...secretplace on port 5355 starting at about 1130P CST....
06:02.41GDTRFBi'll do a report, too
06:02.45GDTRFBthx
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06:03.13JeffM2501the more you let it affect you the more yyou fall into there game
06:33.07SilverFoxCan you please test something for me?  take a look at the forums (both logged in and not) I'm having trouble with them displaying, and think it may be a caching problem on the server, but want to make sure its not my client.
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06:33.55SilverFoxcertain topics don't display the first time you visit, but a refresh brings it up.
06:34.10SilverFox(sometimes)
06:44.55SilverFoxoh, forums at http://silvercat.tybox.net/index.php?module=phpbb
06:59.48blast007for me, all they do is do a loop of redirecting to that same page
07:01.03blast007(when not logged in)
07:04.01blast007and when logged in, topics are viewing fine for me
07:12.06Silver[a]how can you tell its "looping" ?
07:12.45Silver[a]it seems to work much better now (mod rewrite hack) you?
07:12.50Silver[a]err, how about you?
07:14.37blast007works now
07:15.04blast007before it kept making the 'navigation started' click in IE
07:16.07Silver[a]interesting...
07:17.48Silver[a]I wonder if the shorter URLs broke the caching mechanism (thereby eliminating the problem) or fixed it?
07:17.54Silver[a]thanks for the help blast007.
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12:25.34Ice_Wewewanh! I can't shoot anyone!
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13:06.23stahlsauIce_Wewe: on what server you are on? i need to do something for my stats ;)
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13:48.40Ice_Wewestahlsau: none anymore, do you own one?
13:49.13Ice_WeweBZFlag x86_64, kernel 2.6.12-12mdk
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14:03.24devsterIce_Wewe: try and use 2.6.14+
14:03.37devsteri've had problems with 2.6.12 / 13
14:06.49Ice_Wewedevster: there is no kernel package/source package for my distro past 2.6.12-13
14:06.51Ice_Wewebrb
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14:07.54Water_Weweback... sorry, I had to leave my desktop
14:08.37Water_Weweas I was saying, there is no 2.6.14 package
14:09.04Water_WeweI didn't have this problem in i586 2.6.12-12/13, only on x86_64
14:12.13devsterwith 2.6.13.4 i had huge timing problems on x86_64
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15:30.56Ice_Wewedevster: I'm not running 2.6.13, I'm running 2.6.12-12
15:41.27Grumblerwhen did sportchick become a pirate?
15:44.51trepandevster: to make note, those timing probs being related to a SMP kernel...
15:45.15SportChickGrumbler: technically, I was a hostage, but I helped with the mutiny :)
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15:50.52devstertrepan: 2.6.14.3 is fine
15:51.05GrumblerSportChick: but did you get one of those cool eye patches?....or a parrot?....i assume mozul got the sabre
15:51.26SportChickGrumbler: mozul wasn't part of the mutiny
15:51.43SportChick(or the piracy)
15:51.43Chestalhas there been a change to bz source to resolve the x64 problems?
15:52.54trepanChestal: v2_0branch works fine for me on amd64 smp, debian/testing
15:53.20devsteronly problems i've had have been system wide
15:53.20Chestaltrepan: but obviously there have been problems? Did they just go away or was there some change?
15:53.35devsterand using the latest kernel fixed those
15:53.35trepanprolly diff lib/gcc version
15:54.12trepandevster: the smp timing probs do appear to be different from the "can't shoot people" problems, let's try to keep them separate
15:54.13Chestaldevster: were these tieming problems with dualcore?
15:54.36trepanChestal: ya, general amd64x2 kernel issue with 2.6.14-
15:54.39devsterChestal: yes
15:55.01Chestalrelated to power management I guess?
15:55.14ChestalI know that XP has this problem
15:55.27devstertrepan: didnt see that, but i managed to get the cant shoot problem on the win32 version and a simple reconnect to the server fixed it
15:55.35devsterChestal: nope, the powernow wasnt enabled
15:56.53Chestalah, btw., I still have issues with vsync and bzflag. I used to use the software throttling, but after upgrading kernel (and maybe X), that stopped to work smoothly for some reason
15:57.10ChestalI have then been experimenting with ATI glx driver vsync option
15:57.38ChestalI had to add some glFinish() or similar to make it work
15:57.53Chestaland even now it's obviously doing busy waiting or something
15:57.57Chestalat least it's smooth
15:58.36trepanChestal: i had RPG join a server with his amd64 client a while ago, and his MsgShotBegin had an incorrect field iirc, time remaining set to 0.0 or some such thing
15:58.54Chestalwithout the glFinish right before SDL_GL_SwapBuffers(), it would run smooth, then skip, as if the display was sycnhed to the drawn frames and frames woudl accumuate int he background
15:59.37Chestaltrepan: would prolly be easier to debug if one of the devs would have x64 and the problem
15:59.50trepanyup, didn't have one then  :)
16:00.39Chestalthe software throttlign I was using before also looked smoth (smoth enough at least) and had the advantage of not stressing the CPU so much.Seems silly that vsync keeps the CPU busy
16:00.57trepancould try an older gcc build to reproduce the prob, sounds like work though
16:01.10Chestalusing gcc4 I assume?
16:01.15trepanyup
16:02.31trepanvsync doesn't keep the cpu busy over here
16:02.41trepanalthough using the glX exts. vsync does
16:02.50Chestaland it works without the glFinish() for you?
16:03.38ChestalI also tried some glx... function instead of glFinish, no difference though
16:03.46trepanhave used it that much with the new machine, but seems to work
16:04.01Chestalbut without any of these syncing calls, the rendering and display are out of sync
16:04.09trepani'm talking about the SGI glx extension for sync'ing
16:04.55ChestalI have no idea why the software throttling is no longer smooth. Can be new HZ value of kernel, kernel preemption, or maybe newer ATI driver
16:05.25trepanwhat are you using?
16:06.23Chestal2.6.14.2 with default values for desktop use I think. Probably HZ=1000 and lots of preemption
16:06.57ChestalI made the change some time ago
16:07.13trepancheck if bz's dt values consistent, or gapped?
16:07.39ChestalI am quite sure it's no bz problem, but one of complex relationshipo between bz and X
16:08.09Chestalwithotu vsync and software fps throttling, it's not that it's really bad,just not smooth enough
16:08.27Chestalwhen I turn at constant rate I get small stuttering every 2s or so. That didn't happen before
16:09.21Chestalit's just too much work to debug it, so many factors to consider. And lots of rebooting...
16:09.35Chestalhowever, the vsync should work differently IMHO
16:09.53Chestaltrepan: you're using nvidia?
16:12.34trepanyup
16:14.22trepansounds like the ATI vsync operates with a spinloop like the glxExt vsync, pretty lame
16:17.24Chestaland I still need the glFinish, I am not sure if it it supposed to work that way or not, i.e. if it should be addedto bz
16:18.03Ice_Wewearggg
16:18.12Ice_WeweCTF didn't keep my old callsign, and wont let me login!
16:18.24Chestalwhich CTF?
16:19.40Ice_Wewenvm
16:19.44Ice_WeweI'll solve it later
16:28.20menotumeany1 know who added the 'printscore option ?
16:28.25menotume-printscore
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16:40.21menotumenvm, it's just that it prints to stdout instead of using 'debug'
16:40.29menotumetherefore bypassing timestamping
16:50.21Grumblerwhy would timestamping be tied to debug...shouldnt it be a switch on its own?
16:57.37trepanthere's usually no output from bzfs without at least 1 -d
16:57.54trepanit was easier to redirect through the DEBUGx calls
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17:23.26menotumetrepan: there is DEBUG0
17:23.33menotumei'll try to change it later today
17:24.53trepanhehe, try?
17:25.29menotumetime permitting
17:26.55trepandone  ;)
17:27.18menotumeerr, there may be a problem there
17:27.37menotumenote that all calls to DBUG will prefix with a timestamp
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17:28.47trepanif that bugs ya, change the timestamp during that print out
17:29.01menotumetrepan: what i mean is ...
17:29.09menotumeDEBUG0 ("HELLO ")
17:29.22menotumeDEBUG0 ("I am here\n")
17:29.46menotumewill look like this:  "TIMESTAMP HELLO TIMESTAMP I am here\n"
17:30.01menotumeie, it is line-based
17:30.02trepansnprintf to the rescue...
17:30.07menotumeright
17:30.09menotume:)
17:30.20menotumeI should make DEBUG smarter
17:30.30menotumeto insert TIMESTAMP after each \n
17:38.46menotumeGrumbler: yes, timestamping is a cl switch (-ts)
17:39.14menotumethe timestamping is done IN the DEBUG functions
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17:40.09trepanmight as well get rid of the PRINTSCORE #ifdefs while you're in there  ;)
17:40.56menotumeam I in there ?
17:40.58menotumehehe
17:41.06menotumeya, ok, later today
17:41.11menotumeg2g for now
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18:13.59*** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat for casual chat || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is now 2.1 unstable, commit stable to v2_0branch
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18:14.55*** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat for casual chat || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is now 2.1 unstable, commit stable to v2_0branch
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18:15.52blast007sigh...
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18:20.42threshsigh means no? :)
18:22.30blast007I'm not sure
18:22.40blast007hi Noodleman
18:22.49Noodlemanblast007: moof!
18:22.59Grumbler~lart the Noodleman
18:24.03blast007ah, it seems that is has already been fixed, according to another site
18:24.25blast007"As written in the "Author" field the CVS version has been already patched from over two months."
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18:34.42silverfoxusing regex, how do I match / or "" (nothing) ?
18:37.03ToughShooterNoodleman: Are you responsible for the stats on my.bzflag.org?
18:37.14NoodlemanToughShooter: i was once
18:37.22Noodlemanthose days are long gone
18:37.35ToughShooterThere is an error in the script
18:37.53ToughShooterand http://www.noodleroni.com/contact.php is gone
18:38.10Noodlemani can fix that
18:39.30ToughShooterIn the playerlist the playername "<xxx>" becomes "%3Cxxx%3E"
18:40.18Noodlemanit would
18:40.31ToughShooterbut the name is not encoded between the opened a and ending a tag
18:41.02ToughShooterthat means it would write the following: <a href="playerinfo.php?callsign=%3Cxxx%3E"><xxx></a></td>
18:41.31blast007ah, yeah
18:41.34ToughShooterthat obviously will affect how the browsers show the page
18:42.18blast007or allow HTML injection
18:42.36ToughShooteryes, it's a possible "security" hole
18:42.41Noodlemanso it would
18:42.58Noodlemani'm surprised that hole has gone unnoticed for so long
18:43.22Noodlemani think stats is part of the main bz project now, isn't it?
18:43.29ToughShooterI wanted to contact some time ago but the contact link was bad and then I forgot
18:43.38Noodlemanif so, that's where patches would be submitted
18:43.40blast007I had brought it up long ago, but I had forgotten about it until now
18:46.02ToughShooterDo I have to fix the source and email it or something else to get it fixed?
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18:47.06Noodlemani've never submitted patches to bzflag; perhaps you should ask one of the admins
18:47.50ToughShooterk
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18:50.52sniperyydhi all. if i want to make a mesh , what i need to use for not writing it all by hand??:P
18:50.55sniperyyd:)
18:51.42blast007I can take a look at the code for that
18:51.54sniperyydblast007: thx
18:51.55sniperyyd:)
18:52.10blast007er sorry, not for that, for the stats site  ;)
18:52.16sniperyyd;)
18:52.17sniperyydok
18:52.43ToughShooterblast007: PHP is no prob for me, only C(++) is the prob
18:53.05blast007but there is an BZW export tool for Wings3D, and an obj->bzw converter (called modeltool) in CVS
18:53.23blast007those can turn a mesh from a modeler into a bzflag world
18:53.42sniperyydwings3d? where i can get it?:)
18:54.01ToughShooterJust read the forums and use your brain
18:54.15sussiwings3d is cool
18:54.16ToughShooterIt's pretty easy to figure out
18:54.26sniperyydhehe :) www.google.com
18:56.48ToughShooterblast007: Would you look inside the source or should i?
18:57.12sniperyydblender can also?
18:57.36sniperyydBlender can also do the obj ?
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19:04.47blast007ToughShooter: I think I tracked down the problem
19:05.09blast007I'll commit it after I test this change
19:05.40blast007sniperyyd: blender can export an obj, and then the modeltool can convert the obj to a bzw world
19:15.04sniperyydblast007: ok
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19:22.22bz3341help
19:22.50bz3341i want to ply bzflag
19:23.20bz3341but it is not working
19:34.06CIA-9BZFlag: 03blast007 * 10db/ (handycode.inc playerinfo.php playersearch.php): Escape callsigns and emails in various locations
19:36.59blast007I also applied all the changes to the live site
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19:37.34dirtbaghey BZheads.
19:39.13dirtbagtough crowd..
19:39.20blast007heh
19:39.23dirtbaganyone know why I would get this during a compile..
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19:39.43dirtbagdarnit
19:40.23blast007\
19:40.40blast007:\*
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19:52.28CIA-9BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/misc/ (README cvs2cl.pl): Adding a ChangeLog generator
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20:34.43CIA-9BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/DEVINFO: Adding instruction to update ChangeLog before doing the release
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20:59.16CIA-9BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/NEWS: Ading my changes
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21:40.48*** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat for casual chat || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is now 2.1 unstable, commit stable to v2_0branch
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21:47.09RPG_error C2440: 'type cast' : cannot convert from 'void *' to 'std::string'
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21:56.02RPG_ping JeffM2501
21:57.33RPG_In the API, under the class bz_PlayerJoinPartEventData, could you add a variable that contains the joining client's build daet?
21:57.35RPG_*date
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23:06.37A_Meteorite~seen brlcad
23:06.41ibotbrlcad is currently on #bzflag #brlcad
23:07.42A_Meteoriteyou there, brlcad?
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23:42.47brlcadA_Meteorite: maybe
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23:58.41Tuponehi brlcad

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