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| 00:09.20 | Rezzo | hey guys |
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| 00:56.26 | Rezzo | hey guys |
| 00:56.39 | Rezzo | anyone here? |
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| 01:08.04 | Rezzo | when i try to start up bzflag in |
| 01:08.14 | Rezzo | windows xp |
| 01:08.47 | Rezzo | i just get a 'bzflag has encountered a problem and needs to close' |
| 01:08.56 | Rezzo | anyone got any suggestions? |
| 01:10.14 | Rezzo | huh? |
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| 01:11.32 | BearPerson | on an athlon64? |
| 01:12.02 | Rezzo | no |
| 01:12.09 | Rezzo | p4 1.5ghz |
| 01:12.17 | brlcad | woo hoo, http://beta.bzflag.bz/tmp/gpmenu.jpg |
| 01:13.15 | brlcad | Rezzo: what version? |
| 01:13.44 | Rezzo | 2.0.4 |
| 01:14.05 | brlcad | do any of the 2.x work? |
| 01:14.22 | Rezzo | i haven't tried |
| 01:14.31 | Rezzo | should i? |
| 01:14.37 | brlcad | try one of the previous version or a beta for 2.0.5 |
| 01:14.54 | Rezzo | ok |
| 01:19.27 | Rezzo | they all give the same error message |
| 01:21.00 | brlcad | then probably some video card incompatibility or driver issue |
| 01:21.08 | brlcad | what's the card and driver? |
| 01:22.01 | Rezzo | raedon 9200 pro |
| 01:22.04 | brlcad | make sure you have the latest driver available |
| 01:22.12 | Rezzo | alright |
| 01:22.12 | brlcad | that should be more than ample |
| 01:22.48 | Rezzo | thanks |
| 01:23.23 | brlcad | if you have studio, it's pretty straitforward to compile from the sources |
| 01:30.53 | Rezzo | i don't on the computer i'm on |
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| 01:55.19 | Rezzo | worked |
| 01:55.21 | Rezzo | thanks |
| 01:55.25 | Rezzo | terrible fps though |
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| 01:57.57 | TD-Linux | try cranking down some settings |
| 01:58.03 | TD-Linux | screen res is a good place to start |
| 01:58.34 | TD-Linux | bzflag defaults to your full screen resolution - a 9200 probably can't handle 1280x1024 or above |
| 02:02.33 | TD-Linux | brlcad: are the avi's on beta.bzflag.bz real or just April Fools? |
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| 02:35.06 | Rezzo | TD-Linux my screen res is 1024x768 |
| 02:35.52 | Rezzo | aww man |
| 02:35.54 | Rezzo | qay to quit |
| 02:35.56 | Rezzo | way* |
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| 03:15.05 | brlcad | oh, JeffM2501's here |
| 03:15.56 | brlcad | JeffM2501: had a lil time while waiting for a compile.. http://beta.bzflag.bz/tmp |
| 03:16.18 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 03:16.34 | JeffM2501 | the libpng code sucks I seem |
| 03:17.21 | brlcad | or maybe resource hunting or prefs code? |
| 03:17.30 | JeffM2501 | it looks in it's own dir |
| 03:17.31 | brlcad | or texture blitting |
| 03:17.41 | JeffM2501 | the png code was NEVER tested |
| 03:17.44 | brlcad | it looks for a data in current dir? |
| 03:17.46 | JeffM2501 | I just found it on the net |
| 03:17.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:18.00 | brlcad | not using png for you? |
| 03:18.12 | JeffM2501 | windows uses devil |
| 03:18.14 | JeffM2501 | it's swapable |
| 03:18.15 | brlcad | ahh |
| 03:18.20 | brlcad | gotcha |
| 03:20.17 | JeffM2501 | how many warnings did raknet have? |
| 03:20.19 | brlcad | it runs great, though |
| 03:20.22 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 03:20.31 | JeffM2501 | did you have to change much to get it to work? |
| 03:20.32 | brlcad | once I waded throught the build stuff |
| 03:20.46 | JeffM2501 | well my makefiles are a joke :) |
| 03:20.54 | JeffM2501 | trepan said it worked under wine |
| 03:20.56 | brlcad | i got em to work anyways :) |
| 03:21.06 | JeffM2501 | tho I ausme you have no sound right? |
| 03:21.29 | brlcad | mm.. didn't notice |
| 03:21.46 | JeffM2501 | does it play the iron cheif theme song when you start up? |
| 03:21.53 | brlcad | might have turned off speakers |
| 03:22.05 | JeffM2501 | did you install the fmod library? |
| 03:22.18 | brlcad | oh wait, i remember a few bleeps from another app .. so i guess no sound |
| 03:22.23 | JeffM2501 | by default the makefile adds in _NOFMOD_ |
| 03:22.35 | JeffM2501 | if you have fmod ex and take that out it should build with sound support |
| 03:22.53 | brlcad | ahh, i removed fmodex to get it to build |
| 03:23.02 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 03:23.11 | JeffM2501 | there is a mac version of fmod |
| 03:24.10 | JeffM2501 | you are on the project so you can commit your changes |
| 03:24.27 | JeffM2501 | tho with no textures you don't see the coolnes of the radar |
| 03:25.30 | brlcad | i can't imagine you ever compiled with those Makefiles as they are in the checkout did you? |
| 03:25.49 | JeffM2501 | I was trying to make them work |
| 03:25.53 | JeffM2501 | I was wading thru errors |
| 03:25.58 | brlcad | ahh |
| 03:26.10 | JeffM2501 | but since I have no clue what I was doing...... |
| 03:26.13 | brlcad | you weren't too far off |
| 03:26.25 | BZBot | New news from opencombatproject: 2 passes on the grass looks a lot better |
| 03:26.35 | JeffM2501 | once again, brlcad contnues to kick ass |
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| 04:56.02 | CosmoL | there is a wierd bug going on right now at alex135.gotdns.com |
| 04:56.17 | CosmoL | a player is moving at about double speed all the time |
| 04:56.24 | CosmoL | even with other flags |
| 04:56.37 | A_Meteorite | think: cheats |
| 04:57.12 | CosmoL | yeah, that's what I thought, he (tanner) says he dosn't know what's going on |
| 04:58.10 | CosmoL | its still hapenning if anyone wants to take a look |
| 04:58.19 | A_Meteorite | I am an admin ther |
| 04:58.24 | A_Meteorite | I'll be right there |
| 04:58.52 | fplus | anyone know if/when blast is usually in the chat room , he seems to be away now |
| 05:00.12 | CosmoL | he just left |
| 05:01.59 | fplus | m'k thanks |
| 05:03.07 | A_Meteorite | CosmoL: what was his name? |
| 05:03.30 | A_Meteorite | k, got the name thanks |
| 05:29.37 | CosmoL | speed bug is happening again right now to another person |
| 05:44.14 | cosmos | ban them for life |
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| 10:11.15 | Birdie | its 5 am for him, i doubt he is awake:) |
| 10:11.57 | ToughShooter | Well, I hope he'll see when he's awake |
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| 14:06.42 | bz3303 | hello |
| 14:07.31 | bz3303 | i always got a "high lag message". How can i solve this problem ? |
| 14:08.03 | bz3303 | 04someone ? |
| 14:08.09 | bz3303 | 01 |
| 14:08.23 | bz3303 | hello |
| 14:09.19 | bz3303 | i'm alone ? |
| 14:09.40 | bz3303 | y'a quelqu'un ? |
| 14:10.00 | ToughShooter | Depends on your possibilities |
| 14:10.17 | bz3303 | hello |
| 14:10.19 | ToughShooter | Downloading much stuff in the background could cause it |
| 14:10.38 | bz3303 | nothing runs on the machine but bzflag |
| 14:10.52 | ToughShooter | What kind of connection do you have? |
| 14:10.59 | bz3303 | 8mb DSL |
| 14:11.16 | bz3303 | via IPCOP firewall |
| 14:11.47 | ToughShooter | I don't know about the firewall thingy but that should be sufficient for most people |
| 14:12.25 | bz3303 | i still get the same problem on all servers... |
| 14:12.26 | ToughShooter | How high is your lag and is it around the same at all servers? |
| 14:12.37 | bz3303 | somtime 3012 ms ! |
| 14:12.46 | ToughShooter | Eww |
| 14:12.55 | bz3303 | other time only 500ms |
| 14:13.14 | bz3303 | yes |
| 14:13.50 | ToughShooter | You should try to do a traceroute to one server and find out what is going on |
| 14:13.59 | bz3303 | ok |
| 14:15.30 | ToughShooter | if the lag is almost that high at the first hop it could be a very high interleaving setting (but still that would cause around 100ms lag to first hop max) |
| 14:16.48 | bz3303 | first hop 42 ms |
| 14:17.18 | ToughShooter | Ah, you have a low interleaving setting :) |
| 14:18.01 | bz3303 | can i chang interleave ? |
| 14:18.18 | ToughShooter | Can you upload a traceroute to http://pastebin.com/ ? |
| 14:19.49 | ToughShooter | Interleaving is an error correction mechanism used by your provider |
| 14:19.57 | bz3303 | (for info, ping viper.pimpi.org give 64ms, but more than 1000ms during play) |
| 14:20.04 | bz3303 | ok |
| 14:20.13 | ToughShooter | Hmm |
| 14:20.26 | bz3303 | (sorry for my english) |
| 14:20.36 | ToughShooter | That means it is not likely to be your connection |
| 14:20.45 | ToughShooter | it's rather your computer |
| 14:20.59 | bz3303 | to small |
| 14:21.05 | bz3303 | perharps |
| 14:21.06 | ToughShooter | You should check whether you have hardware accelerated OpenGL |
| 14:21.34 | bz3303 | ok. in fact, lags appear with last release |
| 14:22.24 | bz3303 | i'm going to reduce graphic effect to minimum |
| 14:22.29 | ToughShooter | I'm no dev, don't know what was changed which could cause that effect |
| 14:22.30 | bz3303 | many thanks |
| 14:22.46 | ToughShooter | What does BZFlag list as your card when starting it? |
| 14:23.11 | ToughShooter | Most importantly it should be identical to your graphics card |
| 14:24.52 | bz3303 | i verify |
| 14:25.40 | bz3303 | bzflag show compatible VGA / MMX |
| 14:26.22 | bz3303 | i set all graphic effects to minimum (! 1980 style) ... the same: 1312ms lag |
| 14:26.27 | ToughShooter | Is this the exact name it shows? |
| 14:26.34 | bz3303 | yes |
| 14:26.38 | ToughShooter | For me I get ATI Radeon 9600 |
| 14:26.49 | ToughShooter | What graphics card do you use? |
| 14:27.11 | bz3303 | integrated video chipset |
| 14:27.14 | ToughShooter | Ewww |
| 14:27.21 | bz3303 | yes |
| 14:27.43 | ToughShooter | I think your card is either just plain slow or you're using wrong drivers |
| 14:27.53 | bz3303 | this computer is more often used to surf on internet |
| 14:27.56 | bz3303 | ok |
| 14:28.22 | ToughShooter | How many FPS do you get (join a server as observer and press 't') |
| 14:28.47 | ToughShooter | This will print out the number of rendered frames per second somewhere in the middle of screen |
| 14:29.23 | ToughShooter | If the scoreboard is above type 's' to hide it (you can get it back via typing 's' again, also 't' for hiding FPS again) |
| 14:31.59 | bz3303 | i got 20 fps |
| 14:32.44 | bz3303 | (thx for the tips) |
| 14:33.45 | bz3303 | i think i have a network problem, 'caus i got the same lag on my other Pc which use a 9800 pro graphic card |
| 14:34.07 | ToughShooter | 20 FPS is okay |
| 14:34.21 | bz3303 | perharps i got virus on my network |
| 14:34.22 | ToughShooter | Hmm, now I don't know what is wrong :( |
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| 14:35.01 | bz3303 | i'm going to scan it... many thank's for your help |
| 14:35.19 | bz1400 | hi |
| 14:35.25 | ToughShooter | if you get a ping time of <100ms on your local computer and 20FPS I don't think it is a virus |
| 14:36.06 | bz1400 | i got a new install of Ubuntu - when joing a game - i cannot seem to shoot anyone (i'm not that bad a shot) and i get no sounds at all from it |
| 14:36.35 | bz1400 | on the system - i get system sounds and music ok... |
| 14:38.31 | trepan | amd64? |
| 14:39.13 | bz1400 | athlon 1700 / cmedia sound card |
| 14:40.15 | bz1400 | 640mb ram / 2x200gb (win2000 Breezy badger |
| 14:41.35 | bz1400 | when i go into audio settings > sound volume 'unavailable' |
| 14:41.38 | trepan | do a '/lagstats' in game, see if you have high packet loss (could be udp related) |
| 14:41.53 | trepan | dunno about your sound... |
| 14:43.30 | bz1400 | k - i'll try thanks anything i can do about it ? |
| 14:44.39 | bz1400 | mine is not the worst lol |
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| 15:53.24 | gsnedders | _Manu_ / Pimpi: http://viper.pimpi.org/ has been down since the server move |
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| 16:09.52 | _Manu_ | gsnedders, yes, viper is now pointing a new server |
| 16:10.03 | gsnedders | but why is the website down? |
| 16:10.15 | gsnedders | because nobody has installed apache? |
| 16:10.17 | gsnedders | :) |
| 16:10.41 | _Manu_ | the old server is not down, simply viper.pimpi.org destination ip changed :) |
| 16:11.04 | gsnedders | ok, but why is the website not online? |
| 16:11.04 | gsnedders | :P |
| 16:11.14 | _Manu_ | because still not configured |
| 16:11.21 | gsnedders | :) |
| 16:12.40 | gsnedders | so we are lawless. |
| 16:13.07 | _Manu_ | no :) |
| 16:13.49 | _Manu_ | admins and cops must do their work |
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| 16:37.40 | BearPerson | :) |
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| 16:52.36 | gsnedders | :) |
| 16:55.07 | gsnedders | and _Manu_, i thought you knew we were all lazy |
| 16:55.53 | _Manu_ | you lazy? heh |
| 16:56.22 | gsnedders | of course |
| 16:56.23 | gsnedders | :) |
| 16:56.42 | gsnedders | i was going to ask you to put a slightly edited version of the rules up |
| 16:56.50 | gsnedders | but for that we need the web server configured :) |
| 16:57.52 | _Manu_ | you can send me your suggestions :) |
| 16:58.08 | gsnedders | http://geoffers.uni.cc/bz/viperadmin.html |
| 16:58.14 | gsnedders | (or at least I think that's the URL) |
| 16:59.30 | _Manu_ | the url is ok |
| 17:01.28 | gsnedders | i don't know what is changed though... |
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| 17:02.39 | gsnedders | ah! |
| 17:02.43 | gsnedders | it\s JeffM2501 |
| 17:05.01 | BearPerson | that's the best hiding place |
| 17:05.55 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 17:06.35 | BearPerson | quitting |
| 17:08.29 | JeffM2501 | I get that part |
| 17:08.34 | JeffM2501 | but not all the stuff before |
| 17:08.58 | BearPerson | I think it had no reason |
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| 17:35.13 | brain0 | hi, me again. I was here several weeks ago, reported problems about bzflag "hanging" while playing |
| 17:35.26 | brain0 | someone told me it might be related to missing c-ares in libcurl/bzflag |
| 17:35.53 | JeffM2501 | that could cause your dns lookups to be blocking |
| 17:36.08 | brain0 | so, the problem disappeared, I didn't care. and know I've got that prob again. recompiled bzflag libcurl with c-ares support, and it's still there |
| 17:36.42 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you on? |
| 17:37.39 | brain0 | I'll try to describe it again: while playing, about every 20 or 30 seconds, bzflag just freezes and doesn't respond for about 2 or 3 seconds (during that time, I fall down or get shot or sth). then I play for 10 or 20 or 30 seconds, and it hangs again for 2 or 3 seconds |
| 17:37.45 | brain0 | I'm on linux 2.6.14 |
| 17:37.58 | brain0 | BZFlag client 2.0.4.20051218-STABLE-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0026) |
| 17:38.18 | brain0 | linux 2.6.14-ck7 preempt |
| 17:38.21 | JeffM2501 | what version of curl do you have? |
| 17:38.32 | brain0 | curl 7.15.0 |
| 17:39.40 | brain0 | it's so funny, yesterday I was playing for hours without any problems, now I join again and it's unplayable again |
| 17:39.58 | brain0 | ah, I use nvidia drivers 8174, but I already used them yesterday |
| 17:40.25 | JeffM2501 | the only thing I can think of is something else on your system is eating your CPU |
| 17:40.46 | brain0 | well - the cpu is idle now |
| 17:41.04 | brain0 | I had skype running in background |
| 17:42.45 | brain0 | wow - skype didn't consume any cpu. but now as I quit it, bzflag stopped hanging |
| 17:43.08 | JeffM2501 | it may do it intermitently |
| 17:43.12 | BearPerson | it didn't use any CPU for 20-30 seconds ;-) |
| 17:43.21 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is a game, so it will use as much CPU as it can |
| 17:43.38 | brain0 | sure it will |
| 17:43.53 | BearPerson | JeffM2501, unless you have our "power saving" stuff on ;-) |
| 17:43.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:44.09 | JeffM2501 | I was gonna say here are new things in 2.0.5 that can make it use less |
| 17:44.18 | brain0 | there are other programs running in background, like thunderbird, licq, linphone, firefox, irssi, but no issues with those |
| 17:44.34 | JeffM2501 | they probalby don't do a check every so often |
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| 17:45.55 | brain0 | one thing still confuses me - if skype would use much cpu every 20 to 30 seconds, I would see that in my nice little icewm panel (like a little spike in the cpu graph) |
| 17:46.00 | brain0 | but there isn't anything |
| 17:46.17 | nitrosport_5 | is bzflag 2.1 compileable. cause i get an error |
| 17:47.41 | brain0 | still there is something else that I don't like: if I listen to music in xmms and start bzflag with "aoss bzflag" (so I can play AND listen to music using dmix), bzflag hangs everytime that xmms changes the song |
| 17:47.49 | brain0 | are there plans on native alsa support in bzflag? |
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| 17:52.29 | BearPerson | brain0, is the problem really only when you start bzflag with aoss ? |
| 17:52.48 | BearPerson | I had bzflag hanging a bit whenever xmms changed a song back when DMA was off on my hard drives |
| 17:53.12 | BearPerson | loading a new song just made the CPU busy talking to the HD for a bit |
| 17:53.30 | brain0 | BearPerson: xmms can ONLY play music if I start bzflag with aoss |
| 17:53.53 | brain0 | I don't have hardware mixing or similar |
| 17:53.55 | BearPerson | what if it's already playing when you start bzflag? |
| 17:54.04 | brain0 | then bzflag is quiet |
| 17:54.12 | BearPerson | indeed |
| 17:54.26 | BearPerson | but does it hang for a bit when xmms changes a song then? |
| 17:54.33 | brain0 | dunno |
| 17:54.46 | brain0 | I'll check that later, but I assume it does |
| 17:54.47 | BearPerson | my guess would be that DMA is off on the drive that your music is on |
| 17:54.57 | brain0 | no, dma is enabled on all hd's |
| 17:54.57 | BearPerson | hdparm -d /dev/hda |
| 17:56.02 | brain0 | enables on both hda and hdb |
| 18:04.54 | brain0 | ok, just tested - if xmms is enabled, bzflag hangs every 5 seconds (no matter if bzflag is started with aoss or not) |
| 18:05.01 | brain0 | dma enabled on both hdd's |
| 18:05.09 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, ping |
| 18:05.18 | brain0 | I even tried du renice bzflag to -10 and xmms to +10, didn't change anything |
| 18:05.39 | JeffM2501 | some linux audio systems don't like to let more then one app play music |
| 18:06.22 | brain0 | I got that :( |
| 18:06.50 | brain0 | it would simply be very nice to hear music while playing |
| 18:07.17 | JeffM2501 | there are some audio systems that allow it |
| 18:07.25 | JeffM2501 | ALSA is one IIRC |
| 18:07.40 | JeffM2501 | I've allways found sound mixing on linux to be "iffy" at best |
| 18:07.57 | JeffM2501 | they need one common API that can do software mixing that all apps can use |
| 18:08.16 | brain0 | ya, you can do software mixing with the alsa-libs using dmix |
| 18:08.31 | JeffM2501 | but not all apps use it |
| 18:08.43 | brain0 | every app that uses alsa natively can use it |
| 18:09.16 | brain0 | only oss apps can't - unless you use the aoss wrapper |
| 18:09.23 | JeffM2501 | it's allmost there |
| 18:09.32 | JeffM2501 | as soon as they all get it together :) |
| 18:09.45 | brain0 | the point is - even if I mute bzflag and only play music with xmms, bzflag still hangs very bad |
| 18:10.17 | JeffM2501 | sounds like your software mixer is taking up too much CPU |
| 18:10.31 | JeffM2501 | you may want to try 2.0.5 |
| 18:10.37 | JeffM2501 | and use the frame rate limiting stuff |
| 18:10.43 | JeffM2501 | it will leave more CPU for other things |
| 18:11.17 | brain0 | hm, no, this is also the case if I disable software mixing (having no bzflag sounds) - so it is not the software mixing but xmms itself that uses too much cpu |
| 18:12.02 | Nidhoggr | I am annoyed. I have to listen to my sound on my cheap speakers because I had to send my Bose Companion 3 speakers back to the mfr for warranty. |
| 18:12.09 | JeffM2501 | the framerate limiting would give more to other process and still try to keep bz smooth |
| 18:12.23 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, did they break? |
| 18:12.24 | BearPerson | or the system using too much CPU on behalf of bzflag |
| 18:12.28 | Nidhoggr | yep |
| 18:12.32 | BearPerson | erm, xmms |
| 18:12.42 | Nidhoggr | no sound. |
| 18:12.47 | brain0 | JeffM2501: where can I find it? |
| 18:13.02 | Nidhoggr | cost 56 bucks for shipping. :/ |
| 18:13.09 | BearPerson | I've found that putting bzflag on power saving makes it actually run smoother when I'm e.g. compiling in the bg |
| 18:13.36 | brain0 | do I have to get it from cvs or is there a snapshot? |
| 18:14.57 | JeffM2501 | brain0, it's in CVS |
| 18:15.06 | JeffM2501 | you have to build it |
| 18:15.18 | JeffM2501 | get the v2_0branch tag |
| 18:15.29 | brain0 | no cvs snapshot tarball? |
| 18:15.50 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 18:16.24 | brain0 | ok, I'll try |
| 18:22.29 | JeffM2501 | ibot message for brlcad, can you commit the changes you made to the makefile so i can work on the png reader? |
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| 18:52.10 | Saturos | hi xell! |
| 18:52.19 | Xell | heya Saturos |
| 18:52.30 | Saturos | Kurze Frage: Weißt du den Port vom silvercat-guleague-server? |
| 18:52.45 | Xell | 5999 oder so... |
| 18:52.50 | Xell | nee weiß ich nicht |
| 18:53.53 | Xell | ah |
| 18:54.18 | ToughShooter | Saturs: Der ist aus |
| 18:54.33 | ToughShooter | Gab Probleme mit der Hardware |
| 18:54.55 | Saturos | Ah... verstehe. |
| 18:55.26 | ToughShooter | Temporär ist jetzt nur der Hauptserver im Netz, wenn die Probleme glöst sind get's wohl wieder |
| 18:55.46 | Saturos | Ich hab auch irgendeinen Lasermania-Server gefunden. O_o |
| 18:55.46 | Xell | wäre aber 5159 ;) |
| 18:56.08 | Saturos | Egal... der Hauptserver ist 3171? |
| 18:56.28 | ToughShooter | und der ist auch nicht der üblicherweise benutzte |
| 18:57.07 | ToughShooter | normalerweise ist es silvercat.tybox.net , aber der funktioniert halt zur Zeit nicht :/ |
| 18:57.16 | ToughShooter | Hehe, lasermania ;) |
| 18:57.38 | Saturos | Nagut, dann lasse ich silvercat aus meiner Player-Site erstmal ganz raus. |
| 18:58.07 | Xell | ach, bist du bei deinem applet am gange? |
| 18:58.20 | Saturos | http://guc.saturos.de |
| 18:59.01 | ToughShooter | Ich kann ja dann bescheid sagen, wenn alles wieder klappt. Ironischerweise ist die Netzwerklatenzzeit beim Temporären besser |
| 18:59.13 | Saturos | hehe |
| 18:59.54 | Xell | oh geil kann ich mir gleich mal bookmarken |
| 19:00.00 | Saturos | :) |
| 19:00.45 | Xell | gibt zwar zeebrothers, aber die ist nicht so schön :) |
| 19:01.35 | Saturos | Kannst du dir theoretisch auch für andere Server bookmarken: http://guc.saturos.de/index.php?server=adresse:port |
| 19:02.05 | Saturos | Ja, ich wollte ne eigene Seite, die sich auf die gu-match-server und Verwandte beschränkt. Mehr Server brauch ich persönlich nicht. |
| 19:02.53 | ToughShooter | ~bzflist |
| 19:03.13 | ToughShooter | so viele server und so wenige spieler... |
| 19:04.10 | Saturos | Sind immer so 120-200, oderß |
| 19:04.11 | Saturos | ? |
| 19:05.28 | Xell | ich find das sind viele... |
| 19:05.48 | Xell | dafür das ich keinen ausser mir kenne, drenoch bzflag spielt |
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| 19:07.09 | Xell | werd jetzt mal ne runde zocken gehn |
| 19:07.14 | Saturos | Viel Spaß! |
| 19:07.17 | Noodleman | moo! |
| 19:07.34 | Xell | danke, werd ich haben :) |
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| 19:26.59 | brlcad | oh my |
| 19:29.41 | brlcad | cool, just under 2Mbit |
| 19:29.54 | brlcad | more like a solid 1Mbit |
| 19:34.42 | trepan | ah, you're hosting silvercat now |
| 19:35.42 | brlcad | roughly at 20% network utilization now, spiking up to 30% |
| 19:38.09 | trepan | host the three servers above the two .bz ones as well |
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| 19:38.36 | trepan | should bring you close to 50% (or just go the pr0n route, and make some $ in the process) |
| 19:38.49 | brlcad | :) |
| 19:39.33 | trepan | or, disable the MsgPlayerUpdateSmall, and change the state change tolerances |
| 19:39.45 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:41.03 | brlcad | talked about making it primary or secondary list server, that would probably eat up a lil bit as well |
| 19:41.26 | brlcad | but I'd want to get freebsd jails working before too long for that |
| 19:42.00 | trepan | redundant listservers would be a good idea, sync'ed mysql dbs? |
| 19:42.31 | brlcad | that or some simple syncing protocol listserver to listserver |
| 19:42.57 | trepan | was thinking both would need to be replicated |
| 19:43.52 | trepan | unless i'm mistaken and the server info is already being pumped into the db |
| 19:45.07 | brlcad | more of an architecture question, but there's the question of whether it'd be shared load (e.g. round robin dns) with periodic syncing, or fallback syncing ala nameserver lookups where the backup gets updates from the primary and is only contacted if primary is down |
| 19:45.19 | brlcad | both have their benefits and downsides |
| 19:47.09 | trepan | i'm guessing that the latter would be simpler; isn't much of a load, is it? |
| 19:50.41 | brlcad | yeah, the latter is more simple |
| 19:51.36 | brlcad | it would put double-duty load onto the primary since it needs to relay everything that happens, but I can't imagine it being anything to worry about |
| 19:52.02 | trepan | if mysql could do the sync'ing, and the current servers where in the db, it'd just be a matter of a adding a prioritized list of servers |
| 19:52.14 | brlcad | right |
| 19:52.17 | brlcad | something like |
| 19:52.23 | brlcad | list#.bzflag.org |
| 19:53.22 | brlcad | only issue is what happens when primary fails, and new activity on a backup is under way, of getting those changes back to the primary (or just calling that "downtime") |
| 19:54.00 | trepan | that's what i was hoping mysql might resolve |
| 19:54.17 | brlcad | if they did have a means of getting changes back to a primary, that'd be everything needed for round robin I'd think |
| 19:54.25 | brlcad | heh, maybe |
| 19:54.36 | brlcad | i'm not a believer that mysql can do it, but maybe |
| 20:01.12 | brain0 | ok, with the powersave option, the game stays responsive while playing music in background - but it's still not that good - is any fine-tuning possible? |
| 20:01.27 | trepan | brlcad: Chapter 6. Replication in MySQL (1 master, N slaves) (5.1 manual) |
| 20:01.51 | trepan | might be a bit of a pain, dunno if master can be reassigned, etc... |
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| 20:07.30 | trepan | http://www.mysql.com/products/database/cluster also looks promising |
| 20:08.34 | brlcad | possibly |
| 20:08.57 | brlcad | it looks great on paper ;) |
| 20:09.08 | brlcad | or en pixels be this the case |
| 20:09.50 | brlcad | would require replicating the web services filesystem too, though that should be simple enough with just an rsync |
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| 20:29.10 | JeffM2501 | man I am so weak |
| 20:29.21 | lan56 | how come? |
| 20:34.05 | JeffM2501 | went to Fry's to get x-mass presnets |
| 20:34.11 | JeffM2501 | got a computer :( |
| 20:36.30 | lan56 | too expensive? |
| 20:37.27 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:37.29 | JeffM2501 | no at all |
| 20:37.33 | JeffM2501 | 179$ |
| 20:38.03 | lan56 | wow that is inexpensive what brand is that? |
| 20:38.15 | JeffM2501 | "great quality" |
| 20:39.04 | lan56 | thats the brand? |
| 20:39.46 | JeffM2501 | ya |
| 20:40.15 | lan56 | ehh never heard of 'em |
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| 20:44.02 | brlcad | orange: ping |
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| 20:45.04 | brlcad | JeffM2501: heh, "great quality" .. from "super fast kung pao chipmakers international, inc." ? :) |
| 20:46.22 | JeffM2501 | looks to be an ECS mobo |
| 20:52.30 | JeffM2501 | http://fryssupport.net/gq3131.cfm |
| 20:56.42 | brlcad | heh, even running linspire |
| 20:57.35 | brlcad | not a bad cpu for that price |
| 20:58.14 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:58.20 | JeffM2501 | has a real AGP slot too |
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| 21:18.51 | Birdie | gina! |
| 21:21.12 | gina | vogel |
| 21:21.27 | Birdie | :) |
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| 21:22.09 | aaronf0 | whats the command to get cvs? |
| 21:24.17 | gina | Preparing build ... configure.ac:899: required file `plugins/logDetail/Makefile.in' not found |
| 21:24.17 | gina | plugins/Makefile.am:1: required directory plugins/logDetail does not exist |
| 21:24.19 | gina | ? |
| 21:28.37 | brlcad | gina! |
| 21:29.22 | brlcad | gina: sounds like you need to cvs update -dP |
| 21:29.44 | brlcad | aaronf0: http://sf.net/projects/bzflag follow the CVS link |
| 21:30.40 | aaronf0 | oh yea, forgot about that crazy cvs link hidden in sourceforge... |
| 21:30.57 | brlcad | yeah, it's just crazy |
| 21:31.15 | aaronf0 | as it would make so much more sense if it were on the downloads page... |
| 21:32.21 | gina | brlcad, ok |
| 21:35.13 | brlcad | aaronf0: it is, the downloads page has the cvs link right up top :) |
| 21:38.55 | aaronf0 | brlcad: but it doesnt have instructions on how to download it... |
| 21:44.34 | cosmos | hrm, after BK announced a triple whopper king kong deal wendys is set to roll out a new quadruple 4 beef pattys, cheese, lettuce, onions, tomato |
| 21:45.22 | lan56 | in-n-out already has 3x3 I guess the only advantage to getting a triple whopper is the mayonaise |
| 21:45.41 | cosmos | yeah wendys had the tripler for ages. now they have 4 patties |
| 21:45.51 | cosmos | perhaps it comes with a free heart exam |
| 21:45.59 | lan56 | mmmm I could go for a quadruple one :) |
| 21:46.00 | lan56 | hah |
| 21:46.12 | brlcad | aaronf0: sure it does .. just you don't "download" cvs, you check it out |
| 21:46.21 | aaronf0 | dont know how the 3 are, but 2 were smaller than one patty... |
| 21:46.24 | cosmos | or the story of the new york guy who ate 372 white castle hamburgers in one sitting |
| 21:46.35 | aaronf0 | brlcad: bassicly the same :D |
| 21:46.56 | brlcad | only slightly |
| 21:47.34 | brlcad | different protocol and transfer mechanism, one file versus many many files, etc |
| 21:47.39 | aaronf0 | it downloads them |
| 21:48.00 | cosmos | <mr_bill> if you have seen some of the walmart store cafes you would realize they could indeed be classified as fine dining |
| 21:49.01 | BearPerson | seen the food, the decoration, or the prices? |
| 21:49.18 | brlcad | aaronf0: there are pretty extensive instructions on obtaining cvs sources, they're on their own page for the very reason that it's not just a simple download of a file |
| 21:49.23 | cosmos | ive never been in a walmart but i can only imagine |
| 21:50.55 | aaronf0 | brlcad: perhaps the cvs readme file would be a good place? |
| 21:51.05 | brlcad | there's not a single walmart that comes to mind that would even come close to fine dining |
| 21:51.14 | brlcad | aaronf0: what cvs readme file? |
| 21:51.47 | brlcad | if it was the README file in CVS, that's only so useful for obtaining CVS since you'd have to already have a checkout or tarball to read the readme |
| 21:52.31 | brlcad | it's really not that complicated, imo .. you go to the project site, follow the link for CVS, read the instructions |
| 21:53.21 | brlcad | if you're wanting CVS, there's a small presumption that you're a developer or at least someone somewhat familiar with checking out sources and compiling packages |
| 21:53.27 | ToughShooter | http://web.mit.edu/macdev/Development/Documentation/www/CVS%20Documentation/Working%20with%20CVS.html is a good start |
| 21:56.10 | aaronf0 | brlcad: i somewhat familiar, just dont remember the syntax off the top of my head |
| 21:56.39 | aaronf0 | brlcad: but theres a link to instructions for installing cvs in the cvs browser thing linked off the downloads page... |
| 21:57.52 | brlcad | building and installing from a cvs checkout is a different matter |
| 21:58.09 | brlcad | that is something that belongs in our documentation, it's project specific |
| 21:59.03 | aaronf0 | brlcad: well, as theirs instructions on how to download all the other things, and a link to the cvs browser on the downloads page... |
| 21:59.59 | brlcad | the "downloads page" on brlcad.org is not the real downloads page if that's what you're referring to |
| 22:00.12 | aaronf0 | brlcad: no, the one on bzflag.org |
| 22:00.24 | brlcad | i meant bzflag.org |
| 22:00.39 | brlcad | that's just a wiki |
| 22:00.53 | brlcad | you can fix that one yourself if you really think it belongs there |
| 22:01.01 | brlcad | but that's not the "real" downlaods page |
| 22:01.06 | brlcad | the project site is on sf.net |
| 22:02.15 | aaronf0 | yes, but it links to everything else |
| 22:02.15 | brlcad | there the instructions for obtaining a cvs checkout are pretty clear imo |
| 22:02.29 | brlcad | just because people have set it up like that |
| 22:02.31 | brlcad | people like you |
| 22:02.38 | brlcad | you want a cvs link, add it |
| 22:02.48 | brlcad | it's still not the real downloads page |
| 22:03.00 | brlcad | no matter how much you like it :) |
| 22:03.20 | cosmos | heh |
| 22:03.56 | aaronf0 | ok, FOR THE LAZY BASTARDS! |
| 22:04.25 | brlcad | i'm saying go ahead |
| 22:04.46 | aaronf0 | hrm, that involves making an account... |
| 22:04.51 | brlcad | i'm just not going to do it for you when you're more than capable |
| 22:04.52 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.53 | aaronf0 | they think im untrustworthy |
| 22:05.02 | brlcad | i already don't trust you ;) |
| 22:05.09 | aaronf0 | im not more capable, which is why im in here asking... |
| 22:05.52 | brlcad | create an account, that was mainly done to weed out the lazy bastards :) |
| 22:06.04 | aaronf0 | very effective |
| 22:06.33 | brlcad | minor barrior to the vandalizers too which was more and more frequent |
| 22:06.49 | brlcad | hasn't been vandalized since |
| 22:07.19 | aaronf0 | yes, im aware of why its there |
| 22:08.33 | brlcad | because you haven't vandalized it since? :) |
| 22:08.45 | aaronf0 | lol |
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| 22:25.44 | Noodleman | moo |
| 22:28.16 | brlcad | oink |
| 22:28.20 | Noodleman | MOO |
| 22:28.32 | brlcad | biking? |
| 22:28.47 | cosmos | [Admin] SERVER: Gollum has tried to become administrator with bad password |
| 22:28.52 | cosmos | ok lifetime ban coming right up |
| 22:28.58 | Noodleman | i'm taking a plane :-) |
| 22:29.04 | brlcad | hehe |
| 22:29.13 | brlcad | cosmos: no harm in trying, right? :) |
| 22:29.22 | Noodleman | i'll break out the b1k3 when i get home tho |
| 22:29.27 | cosmos | that and sending threats to the /reports |
| 22:29.29 | brlcad | excellent |
| 22:29.48 | cosmos | @4000000043a5e24818b1386c Player Gollum [5] -> Team: /password tuxsux |
| 22:29.49 | cosmos | @4000000043a5e24f06db68c4 Player Gollum [5] -> Team: /password cosmos |
| 22:29.53 | cosmos | inventive |
| 22:30.52 | cosmos | and hes registered |
| 22:30.59 | cosmos | Player Gollum [5] has joined from 65.73.73.90 at 2005-12-18 14:14:53 with token "1194386286" |
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| 22:33.05 | brlcad | you just bring out the best in them ;) |
| 22:33.26 | cosmos | there was no one on |
| 22:33.38 | cosmos | he just game in and started trying to get admin access |
| 22:34.22 | Chestal | did he succeed? :-) |
| 22:34.30 | cosmos | of course not |
| 22:34.38 | cosmos | but he did succeed in a lifetime ban |
| 22:35.11 | brad2901 | uh.. just spoken to him on another server |
| 22:37.40 | cosmos | you can tell him hes no longer playing on pillbox |
| 22:37.47 | brad2901 | he denied doing it ;) |
| 22:38.14 | cosmos | i got a notice on the admin channel twice that he attempted it |
| 22:38.18 | cosmos | and the logs do not lie |
| 22:38.35 | brad2901 | yes |
| 22:38.35 | brad2901 | I told him that |
| 22:38.43 | brad2901 | he still denies it though :) |
| 22:38.47 | brad2901 | oh well |
| 22:39.10 | cosmos | ive put him in the tuxsux badplayers group too. so even if he eludes the ip ban he wont be using that nick |
| 22:39.21 | brad2901 | good |
| 22:39.28 | BearPerson | heh |
| 22:39.45 | BearPerson | what's badplayers do? deny all? |
| 22:40.21 | cosmos | yean no spawn |
| 22:40.22 | cosmos | no talk |
| 22:40.25 | cosmos | no nothing |
| 22:40.33 | cosmos | its like joining into purgatory |
| 22:40.39 | CBG | heh. |
| 22:41.35 | aaronf0 | thats not nice... |
| 22:41.44 | aaronf0 | what if someone else uses that nick... |
| 22:41.59 | aaronf0 | i think someone else using aaron got on some badplayers lists... |
| 22:42.11 | brad2901 | Gollum is registered to him on the forums |
| 22:42.35 | aaronf0 | oh |
| 22:42.40 | aaronf0 | well then, sucks for him |
| 22:43.03 | cosmos | yes this only affects registered troublemakers |
| 22:43.30 | CBG | Hah. Win XP just asked on the bzbb "You think that deserved a lifetime ban?"... |
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| 22:43.44 | cosmos | win xp needs to go back to study hall |
| 22:43.51 | CBG | No, kid, he deserves an award for it.... |
| 22:45.40 | cosmos | he got an award |
| 22:45.43 | cosmos | a lifetime ban |
| 22:46.04 | aaronf0 | maybe print out a lifetime ban on pillbox sticker, and mail it to him? |
| 22:47.09 | CBG | Why waste the paper, ink and postage? |
| 22:47.14 | CBG | and time... |
| 22:47.26 | cosmos | yep |
| 22:47.47 | aaronf0 | give it to someone whos not doing anything? |
| 22:48.02 | aaronf0 | ofcourse you could just tell him to print of his own damned badge... |
| 22:48.14 | cosmos | i always find it amusing that troublemakers seem to have admin rights on win xp's server |
| 22:48.44 | CBG | agreed, but I hope you don't count me as a trouble maker, cosmos ... |
| 22:49.11 | cosmos | why would i |
| 22:51.01 | cosmos | now hes snapping at me on the forums |
| 22:51.09 | cosmos | school must be out for holidays |
| 22:53.46 | CBG | cosmos: 'cause I am admin there too |
| 22:54.02 | CBG | I go and play there once for 15 mins, next thing I know, ADMIN perms. Not cop, ADMIN... |
| 22:54.24 | CBG | anyway, g2g, cya later |
| 22:56.24 | orange | brlcad: pong |
| 22:59.01 | cosmos | heh |
| 22:59.04 | cosmos | later |
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| 23:45.38 | JeffM2501 | wow does linspire ever screw you on the software side |
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| 23:49.40 | aaronf0 | JeffM2501: cause it tires to be like windows |
| 23:49.48 | aaronf0 | which likes to screw you on the softare side |
| 23:49.53 | aaronf0 | *software |
| 23:52.50 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:53.17 | blast007 | at one point they charged you $30 for OpenOffice |
| 23:55.16 | aaronf0 | wtf? |
| 23:55.19 | aaronf0 | how the fuck? |
| 23:55.25 | aaronf0 | its free? |
| 23:55.29 | RPG_ | ^^^dude, you're gonna get flamed |
| 23:55.34 | lan56 | please watch the language |
| 23:55.38 | aaronf0 | sorry |
| 23:55.46 | aaronf0 | RPG_: how am i going to get flamed? |
| 23:55.49 | purple_cow | aaronf0: it wasn't always free |
| 23:55.50 | RPG_ | http://www.digitalend.com/pics/dude%20flamed.jpg |
| 23:56.04 | RPG_ | i dunno i just like that pic :) |
| 23:56.09 | aaronf0 | lol |
| 23:56.13 | JeffM2501 | no at least on windows, you can easly install free software |
| 23:56.17 | JeffM2501 | can't do that on linspire |
| 23:56.18 | aaronf0 | purple_cow: i thought that was star office |
| 23:56.32 | purple_cow | i think that's what blast007 meant |
| 23:56.40 | JeffM2501 | linspire charges a service fee for there package manager basicly |
| 23:56.52 | aaronf0 | that sucks |
| 23:57.10 | aaronf0 | JeffM2501: thats why you dont use linspire... |
| 23:57.11 | JeffM2501 | well it's in the process of being wiped |
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| 23:57.18 | aaronf0 | JeffM2501: use a real distro like gentoo |
| 23:57.22 | JeffM2501 | aaronf0, it came on the machine |
| 23:57.36 | JeffM2501 | it is being replaced with ubuntu |
| 23:58.07 | JeffM2501 | well, as soon as XP burns and installs |
| 23:58.11 | purple_cow | ubuntu will serve you well |
| 23:58.11 | blast007 | linspire used to charge per package, and no, it was OpenOffice.org, not Star Office |
| 23:58.30 | purple_cow | oh. linspire was charging for it? |
| 23:58.33 | JeffM2501 | it has in the past on the main machine |
| 23:58.46 | blast007 | at least for their "package", maybe not the "software" |
| 23:58.51 | JeffM2501 | linspire would not let me install xchat with out a subscription |
| 23:58.55 | purple_cow | doesn't that violate the license? |
| 23:59.07 | JeffM2501 | if I had a scubsritption I would not have been charged MORE for it |
| 23:59.17 | purple_cow | i mean, they can charge a distribution fee, but it's only allowed for covering costs |
| 23:59.38 | JeffM2501 | IIRC they get around it by charging for there closed source package manager |
| 23:59.51 | purple_cow | that's ridiculous |
| 23:59.58 | JeffM2501 | once you are into that with a fee, it will install any free software for free |
| 23:59.59 | aaronf0 | purple_cow: the orgins of your nick just dawned on me... |
