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| 00:52.47 | Objologist | what score mode do others use? |
| 00:53.10 | blast007 | I think I use Normalized |
| 01:01.11 | Objologist | which means what? |
| 01:01.25 | Objologist | kills divided by deaths or something? |
| 01:01.39 | blast007 | I think it shows a better indication of player strength |
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| 01:09.11 | BearPerson | normalized is (kills - deaths)/(kills+deaths), iirc |
| 01:09.43 | BearPerson | is nice in that it stays between +1.0 and -1.0 all the time, and doesn't increase/decrease over time |
| 01:18.54 | Objologist | i run about 2 deaths : 1 kill |
| 01:19.26 | Objologist | no 2 good yet :) |
| 01:19.37 | Objologist | that'd be -1/3 |
| 01:19.43 | BearPerson | yup |
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| 04:09.21 | BZBot | New news from gumatches: Dec 11 03:39 => T.B.O. (the better ones):12, T42 (tea for two):1 |
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| 04:18.08 | Objologist | i have an issue with BZFlag on a PowerBook. anyone else use a PowerBook? |
| 04:18.21 | EbErT | i use ibook, what's the problem |
| 04:18.21 | brlcad | lots of people use powerbooks |
| 04:21.16 | EbErT | man, that must be a big problem.. |
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| 05:18.45 | Objologist | powerbook question/complaint. playing on battery, get down to 15% battery, dialog pops up in background, BZ locks out any more key events. have to option-apple-esc to kill the thing, ack the dialog, and then restart, rejoin. is there a way around this? |
| 05:19.05 | brlcad | heh |
| 05:19.14 | brlcad | yikes, playing on battery |
| 05:19.47 | brlcad | i'm not sure I'd call that a "supported" configuration, but one way around it is to switch to windowed mode maybe? |
| 05:19.51 | brlcad | or does that not respond |
| 05:20.31 | EbErT | windowed mode brings your "lag" way up tho |
| 05:20.46 | brlcad | only momentarily |
| 05:20.57 | brlcad | since you're not responding while the modes are changed |
| 05:21.12 | Objologist | yeah, BZ chews through power pretty fast, though I find i get at least 30+ minutes after |
| 05:21.18 | EbErT | no, my lag is still higher when staying in windowed |
| 05:21.31 | Objologist | i'll try windows mode, that's like F4, right? |
| 05:21.49 | EbErT | f1 is the preset isn't it? |
| 05:21.55 | Objologist | ah, ok |
| 05:22.05 | EbErT | i'm not sure, i changed it |
| 05:22.21 | Objologist | thx for the idea |
| 05:22.24 | brlcad | Objologist: in the lastest version of the sources, there is an Energy Saver option in the menus |
| 05:22.45 | brlcad | that should conserve about 70%-80% of your battery life |
| 05:23.15 | brlcad | i.e. 2.0.5 or later |
| 05:23.19 | brlcad | 5irc |
| 05:23.25 | brlcad | , er, iirc |
| 05:23.36 | Objologist | ooo, like download sources and compile them????? wow. i haven't done that since before i used OS X & Debian :) |
| 05:24.32 | EbErT | when might the next version come out? and what are some of the bigger changes/enhancements |
| 05:28.50 | JeffM2501 | what 2.0.6? |
| 05:29.06 | EbErT | ya |
| 05:29.24 | EbErT | wait, 2.05 isn't out yet is it |
| 05:29.25 | JeffM2501 | whenever someone decides to do it |
| 05:29.27 | JeffM2501 | butfixes |
| 05:29.33 | JeffM2501 | odds are dev |
| 05:29.39 | EbErT | o |
| 05:29.39 | JeffM2501 | evens are releases |
| 05:29.45 | JeffM2501 | there will never be a release 2.0.5 |
| 05:29.48 | EbErT | that's a good system |
| 05:30.01 | JeffM2501 | .6 will be bugfixes and small enhancments to the existing protocoll |
| 05:30.04 | JeffM2501 | nothing huge |
| 05:30.14 | JeffM2501 | next big will be 2.2.0 |
| 05:30.43 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.6 was suposed to just be bugfixes |
| 05:30.50 | JeffM2501 | but trepan keeps sneaking stuff in :) |
| 05:31.03 | EbErT | heh, he's a good guy |
| 05:31.23 | JeffM2501 | it does delay the death of 2.0.x dev |
| 05:31.32 | JeffM2501 | now dev is split |
| 05:31.33 | JeffM2501 | makes it harder |
| 05:31.52 | JeffM2501 | one of the problems of not having a clear requirements set :) |
| 05:32.35 | EbErT | since you are so involved in this game, i say you should play it just a little more |
| 05:32.45 | EbErT | to get the feel for things |
| 05:32.47 | JeffM2501 | I have my reasons for not playing |
| 05:32.56 | EbErT | u do a great job, i'm not saying that |
| 05:33.24 | JeffM2501 | actualy I don't do much anymore |
| 05:33.48 | EbErT | forums? |
| 05:34.43 | JeffM2501 | that's about it |
| 05:35.09 | JeffM2501 | even my commit today was a lame hack :) |
| 05:35.37 | EbErT | :/ |
| 05:36.10 | JeffM2501 | anything is posible :) |
| 05:36.44 | EbErT | mini tanks? |
| 05:36.48 | JeffM2501 | mini tanks |
| 05:36.54 | EbErT | wtf? |
| 05:37.16 | EbErT | :) |
| 05:37.21 | brlcad | yay, another screenie |
| 05:37.35 | brlcad | mini tanks rock |
| 05:37.56 | JeffM2501 | now with more networking :) |
| 05:38.09 | EbErT | explain the mini tanks |
| 05:38.20 | JeffM2501 | keep your pants on skip |
| 05:38.22 | brlcad | EbErT: what' to explain.. they're tanks, they're small |
| 05:38.38 | EbErT | why use them instead of regular size |
| 05:38.45 | brlcad | why not? |
| 05:38.57 | JeffM2501 | http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/mini.png |
| 05:39.01 | EbErT | how can u tell the difference, why not make the maps bigger |
| 05:39.04 | JeffM2501 | because mini tanks are WAY cuter |
| 05:39.13 | EbErT | right |
| 05:39.18 | JeffM2501 | bahh |
| 05:39.21 | JeffM2501 | that's an old one |
| 05:39.51 | JeffM2501 | http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/mini-2.png |
| 05:40.14 | JeffM2501 | I must say so far I like rakent |
| 05:40.17 | JeffM2501 | raknet |
| 05:40.30 | JeffM2501 | gotta love things like "writeCompressed" functions :) |
| 05:40.35 | orange_away | awww, how cute |
| 05:41.14 | EbErT | is that a new score and callsign interface idea? |
| 05:41.16 | JeffM2501 | they look cooler in the menu |
| 05:41.30 | JeffM2501 | http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/menu.png |
| 05:41.59 | EbErT | so is this a serious idea? you should make the pitch of all the bz sounds higher |
| 05:42.18 | JeffM2501 | orchid, just fix the build system on linux and you can :) |
| 05:42.35 | JeffM2501 | EbErT, it is what it is |
| 05:42.37 | orange_away | I mean that as a compliment, btw :-) |
| 05:42.38 | orchid | hmm, id like 3 or four to follow my bzflag tank, like little ducklings |
| 05:42.45 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 05:42.50 | JeffM2501 | kids |
| 05:43.07 | orange_away | tanklets |
| 05:43.31 | JeffM2501 | like those 2d shooters where you got little buddy ships that shoot when you do |
| 05:43.35 | orchid | JeffM2501: what do I need to do? "make it compile"? |
| 05:43.36 | EbErT | connect them up. program bot ducklings to follow your tank |
| 05:44.03 | JeffM2501 | orchid, a makefile was made, it needs to be updated, and yes made to compile with all the libs the silly thing needs |
| 05:44.42 | JeffM2501 | and any screwups I made that won't make it compile fixed :) |
| 05:45.18 | JeffM2501 | it's even got REAL font rendering :) |
| 05:45.30 | brlcad | hehe |
| 05:45.31 | orchid | ooh |
| 05:45.42 | JeffM2501 | like from TTF fonts |
| 05:45.56 | JeffM2501 | with kerning and stuff |
| 05:46.51 | JeffM2501 | I fear that for the mac I'll have to ether build my own devIL, or make a libPNG replacement |
| 05:49.58 | JeffM2501 | it'd be cool to get it to work on other OSs so everyone can see them drive around on the menu |
| 05:50.11 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda funny |
| 05:50.20 | EbErT | yes, very cool. i use a mac |
| 05:50.42 | EbErT | very appreciative of devs keeping mac version up to speed |
| 05:51.12 | JeffM2501 | on bz it's prety easy since it uses the same build sytem |
| 05:51.16 | JeffM2501 | and with SDL |
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| 05:56.00 | trepan | should cel-shade 'em (given your fondness for anime :) |
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| 07:07.12 | Noodleroni | moo |
| 07:07.23 | lan56 | moooooo! |
| 07:07.43 | lan56 | what would that be? |
| 07:07.53 | Noodleroni | i got a tattoo in binary |
| 07:08.32 | Noodleroni | it's '31337' in binary in kind of a digital rain looking deal |
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| 07:09.12 | lan56 | thats not nerdy, it just shows you are intelligent in computers ;) |
| 07:09.23 | Noodleroni | hehe |
| 07:09.55 | Noodleroni | i still say it's nerdy |
| 07:10.18 | lan56 | I guess :) |
| 07:10.29 | Noodleroni | although perhaps it's not because nerds are supposed to be afraid of pain :-P |
| 07:10.55 | lan56 | unless it is mistaken for a temporary tatoo |
| 07:11.13 | lan56 | the ones you wet and stamp on and it starts cracking by the 2nd day |
| 07:11.19 | Noodleroni | yeah |
| 07:11.29 | Noodleroni | there should be no mistakes there |
| 07:11.41 | lan56 | hope not :) |
| 07:12.31 | Noodleroni | not that it matters |
| 07:13.24 | lan56 | then I think it is an advantage to say that it is just temporary ;) |
| 07:13.50 | Noodleroni | hehe |
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| 08:12.18 | BZBot | New news from opencombatproject: add the coolest self scaling chatbox window evvar |
| 08:22.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/AccessControlList.cxx: /banlist masterbans first, so that normal/recent bans are more accessible |
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| 08:39.58 | SC-phone | hi chestal |
| 08:42.26 | BZBot | New news from opencombatproject: move fps counter to bottom over radar, it looks better allways show the last... |
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| 08:53.34 | lan56 | I know this might be a stupid question, but does it matter whether c-ares is compiled with bzflag, or should it be built independently and linked with bzflag instead? |
| 08:54.35 | _Manu_ | if you want c-ares, you must enable c-ares support in libcurl |
| 08:54.55 | _Manu_ | is not bzflag, is libcurl related :) |
| 08:57.35 | lan56 | I have a feeling this is even more rediculous and stupid of a question, but does bzflag use c-ares to connect to the serverlist or connect to servers? |
| 08:58.06 | _Manu_ | c-ares is for async connections |
| 08:58.31 | _Manu_ | bzflag uses libcurl, and libcurl uses async if c-ares is enabled |
| 08:58.44 | lan56 | for connecting to servers and serverlist? |
| 08:58.54 | _Manu_ | yes, too |
| 08:58.57 | _Manu_ | iirc |
| 08:59.05 | lan56 | I see |
| 08:59.08 | lan56 | thank you |
| 08:59.13 | _Manu_ | np :) |
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| 11:19.21 | orchid | Tupone: awake still?! |
| 11:19.37 | Tupone | orchid: naha, I sleeped 7 hours :) |
| 11:19.49 | Tupone | slept |
| 11:19.56 | orchid | :) |
| 11:20.12 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Ciao |
| 11:20.21 | Tupone | ToughShooter: ciao |
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| 11:32.04 | ToughShooter | Has anyone created a radar.png so that fast radar looks similar to enchanced? |
| 11:34.07 | ToughShooter | Sigh, I'm on a Mac but I don't have appropriate tools for that purpose :( |
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| 13:45.41 | slipknot | hello? |
| 13:47.22 | orchid | hello slipknot |
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| 13:49.59 | slipknot | i have a wierd problem, that i am sure is on my end |
| 13:50.41 | slipknot | all my shots go through the other tanks. it just started with a new install on another computer |
| 13:51.08 | slipknot | i posted on the forums. however, i was not sure if i should come here as well |
| 13:54.07 | orchid | I think it's a 'known issue' slipknot, it might be covered in the forum already..what version ? |
| 13:54.28 | slipknot | BZ-2.0.2.20050730-STABLE-Linux-gnu-SDL |
| 13:55.03 | slipknot | i tried building the new version, but only had "bzfs" and "bzadmin" binaries. i did not get a "bzflag" |
| 13:55.47 | slipknot | i did take the time to review the forums, google, and all the necessary docs that came with the source, but i must be missing something |
| 13:56.05 | slipknot | i'm a boob :) |
| 13:56.25 | orchid | nah, I'm sure ive heard of this before.. |
| 13:57.00 | BearPerson | UDP not working? |
| 13:57.10 | slipknot | ooh...also, the debug switch gave me these two lines that may help |
| 13:57.21 | slipknot | LIBCURL: libcurl/7.14.0 OpenSSL/0.9.7g zlib/1.2.3 libidn/0.5.18 |
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| 13:57.30 | slipknot | setTextureFilter() Couldn't find texid: -1 |
| 13:57.43 | slipknot | i posted those on the forums with all the other info |
| 13:58.06 | blast007 | 2.0.2? what compiler version? |
| 13:58.24 | blast007 | there was a GCC4 issue with 2.0.2 that was fixed in 2.0.4 |
| 13:58.44 | blast007 | (causes the problem where you can't shoot people) |
| 14:00.01 | blast007 | when you ran ./configure, what did it say at the end? |
| 14:02.49 | slipknot | yep yep... i am using gcc4 |
| 14:03.04 | slipknot | sorry for the late response, i was reading the forums |
| 14:03.08 | blast007 | np |
| 14:03.16 | slipknot | i'll run configure again... |
| 14:03.19 | blast007 | k |
| 14:03.27 | blast007 | it might say that GL.h isn't available |
| 14:06.03 | slipknot | yes sire, no gl.h |
| 14:06.18 | slipknot | it does not like my SDL version either |
| 14:06.35 | blast007 | do you have the sdl dev package? |
| 14:06.41 | slipknot | yes |
| 14:06.46 | blast007 | which version? |
| 14:06.55 | slipknot | checking |
| 14:07.17 | slipknot | libSDL1.2-1.2.8 |
| 14:07.49 | blast007 | k, that should be new enough |
| 14:08.02 | blast007 | but it might just be giving up when it can't find GL.h |
| 14:08.08 | slipknot | it just says it will build without SDL |
| 14:08.14 | blast007 | ah |
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| 14:08.32 | blast007 | 1 sec |
| 14:08.38 | slipknot | ok |
| 14:09.03 | blast007 | run this in a terminal: locate gl.h |
| 14:09.31 | slipknot | /usr/X11R6/include/GL/gl.h |
| 14:09.36 | blast007 | okay |
| 14:09.48 | slipknot | and one in my NVIDIA includes |
| 14:10.47 | slipknot | should i just add the path to my library path? |
| 14:10.49 | blast007 | I was thinking there was some pthreads thing you could try |
| 14:11.18 | blast007 | try ./configure --enable-threads |
| 14:13.47 | slipknot | the last message says no bzflag client binary... i'll look for the header errors too |
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| 14:15.17 | orchid | ive used ./configure --enable-debug LDFLAGS="-lpthread" in the past if that helps |
| 14:17.34 | slipknot | no joy, but i must admit the output looked cleaner... i am going to make sure all of my paths are ok, this is a new system, so i may have to set some environment variables too |
| 14:19.19 | slipknot | if i compile it under maybe gcc2.96 would that make a difference? |
| 14:19.58 | slipknot | i have gcc3.3 here too |
| 14:20.07 | slipknot | hmmm..now i am babbling :) |
| 14:20.29 | orchid | maybe paste the config.log http://bzflag.pastebin.ca |
| 14:27.42 | slipknot | ooh... it wants sdl 1.2.5 |
| 14:27.53 | blast007 | I have 1.2.9 |
| 14:28.32 | slipknot | also, i installed gcc 3.3 (and friends), and edited the Makefile to call them, but it still does not like me :( |
| 14:29.17 | slipknot | building 1.2.9 now |
| 14:41.38 | slipknot | orchid, i posted the output |
| 14:42.05 | slipknot | wee... it took the SDL this time, but still no bzflag client... darn that gl.h |
| 14:43.54 | orchid | you might need some sdl-dev packages |
| 14:44.43 | ToughShooter | IIRC sdl-config does not come with the runtime libraries, only with development ones |
| 14:45.34 | slipknot | it did not complain about SDL after i built the 1.2.9 version |
| 14:46.08 | ToughShooter | have you pasted the current output? |
| 14:48.44 | slipknot | doing that now |
| 14:49.02 | slipknot | configure: WARNING: using an internal c-ares lib. |
| 14:49.08 | ToughShooter | no prob |
| 14:49.12 | slipknot | configure: WARNING: Client build has been requested, but GL is not fully available (missing gl.h) |
| 14:49.28 | slipknot | ... disabling client generation |
| 14:50.22 | slipknot | posted ./configure output |
| 14:51.07 | slipknot | might i add that i really appreciate how very helpful this channel is |
| 14:51.10 | slipknot | good people |
| 14:51.21 | slipknot | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/33288 |
| 14:52.29 | slipknot | i am going to edit the makefile to use gcc 3.3 again and see what happens now |
| 14:52.51 | blast007 | there is also a config.log that show more detail as to what is going on |
| 14:53.31 | orchid | slipknot: you can upload the config.log as a complete file from pastebin |
| 14:53.32 | slipknot | should i add the path to gl.h in one of my environment variables? it does not seem appropriate for LD_LIBRARY_PATH though |
| 14:53.41 | slipknot | okeedokee |
| 14:54.56 | slipknot | holy smokes it's huge... did it dave every attempt? |
| 14:55.01 | blast007 | yup |
| 14:55.28 | ToughShooter | prolly too huge for pastebin :/ |
| 14:55.36 | slipknot | so you get to see all of my jackassery in all it splendor :) |
| 14:55.48 | blast007 | mine is 160KB |
| 14:55.53 | slipknot | 132k |
| 14:55.57 | slipknot | not too big |
| 14:56.15 | blast007 | they limit to 60KB |
| 14:56.18 | slipknot | ouch |
| 14:56.38 | slipknot | ok, i'll rename it, and run ./configure again |
| 14:57.51 | slipknot | ouch...still 132k |
| 14:58.03 | slipknot | hmmm....one sec |
| 14:58.27 | blast007 | might have to chop it up |
| 14:58.37 | blast007 | do you have any webhost you could toss it up on? |
| 14:58.39 | slipknot | i zipped it |
| 14:58.50 | slipknot | oh yeah, i have my own servers too |
| 14:59.04 | blast007 | yeah, pastebin won't do an archive |
| 14:59.08 | slipknot | i can upload it to linuxdragon.net if you want the non-gzipped version |
| 14:59.11 | blast007 | k |
| 14:59.21 | slipknot | one sec my beloved friends |
| 14:59.24 | blast007 | :) |
| 15:02.56 | slipknot | http://www.linuxdragon.net/stuff/bzflag/config.log |
| 15:05.23 | blast007 | okay, it is finding the gl.h file, but it can't find the opengl library |
| 15:05.25 | blast007 | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lopengl32 |
| 15:06.31 | slipknot | on it |
| 15:08.55 | slipknot | hmmm... i can't seem to find a way to send private messages in xchat... i guess bitchX spoiled me |
| 15:09.21 | slipknot | i've been tainted! my geek card is going to be revoked |
| 15:09.23 | blast007 | /query <name> or /msg <name> <some message> |
| 15:09.45 | ToughShooter | freenode blocks messages from unregistered users to certain other users |
| 15:10.25 | ToughShooter | it depends on wether the users accept mesages from unregistered ones |
| 15:11.04 | slipknot | good call toughshooter, maybe i need to get off my butt and register |
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| 15:20.16 | linuxdragon | ok, friends... i have registered |
| 15:20.21 | linuxdragon | <-- slipknot |
| 15:20.38 | linuxdragon | i'll change my in-game and board handle too |
| 15:21.04 | linuxdragon | wow, blast007, i did not have opengl installed at all |
| 15:34.09 | blast007 | ah |
| 15:35.42 | linuxdragon | well, not all of opengl anyway...there seems to be a lot of associated libraries |
| 15:37.53 | linuxdragon | should i still build it with gcc4 though? |
| 15:38.04 | linuxdragon | or gcc3.3? |
| 15:38.06 | blast007 | 2.0.4 should build just fine with GCC4 |
| 15:38.12 | linuxdragon | sweet |
| 15:38.15 | blast007 | are you on 64-bit? |
| 15:38.19 | linuxdragon | no |
| 15:38.23 | blast007 | okay, good |
| 15:38.32 | blast007 | there have been some issues with that too :) |
| 15:38.44 | linuxdragon | my 64b suse box has a precompiled binary that runs sweet |
| 15:39.03 | blast007 | :) |
| 15:39.06 | linuxdragon | i should post this on the mandriva forums too i suppose |
| 15:39.53 | linuxdragon | my favorite game :( |
| 15:40.25 | blast007 | yeah, seems like they only have 2.0.2 from what google is telling me |
| 15:40.46 | linuxdragon | i did try to compile the latest version on one of my 64b suse servers to serve some cool maps (they use some of the newer content) however, it did not go well. we are using older maps, and are happy enough |
| 15:40.49 | blast007 | Debian still has 2.0.2 as the newest in their 'stable', but has 2.0.4 in their 'testing' |
| 15:41.17 | linuxdragon | yep 2.0.2 on my suse server |
| 15:41.53 | linuxdragon | i try not to mess around with that one since everyone seem pleased |
| 15:41.59 | blast007 | :) |
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| 16:05.12 | Ice_Wewe | hey |
| 16:08.02 | linuxdragon | bingo...successful ./configure with NO errors |
| 16:08.20 | linuxdragon | make ; make install .. here i come |
| 16:12.11 | blast007 | cool, hope it works out for ya :) |
| 16:13.28 | linuxdragon | you and orchid get all the credit if it does :) |
| 16:15.00 | linuxdragon | HUGE difference in build time when it actually builds the client :P |
| 16:18.01 | orchid | linuxdragon: I didn't help, I just annoyed you to paste the error's :) |
| 16:18.35 | linuxdragon | stop being so humble |
| 16:18.45 | linuxdragon | i will also blame you if it fails :P |
| 16:18.53 | linuxdragon | muahaha |
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| 16:19.05 | orchid | blast007 helped you exclusively in that case |
| 16:19.14 | linuxdragon | yay...build complete... going to try running it...brb |
| 16:22.25 | ooh | Does anyone know how to make groups of prefab objects? |
| 16:22.46 | ooh | To Lessen the length of the txt document |
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| 16:27.59 | linuxdragon | it worked! |
| 16:28.23 | linuxdragon | wow they made some neat graphic enhancements too |
| 16:29.31 | Ice_Wewe | linuxdragon: let's blame orchid anyway ;) |
| 16:30.22 | blast007 | ~whaleslap Ice_Wewe |
| 16:30.23 | ibot | I'll just grab a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh and slap Ice_Wewe over the head with it..... |
| 16:31.00 | Ice_Wewe | blast007: pfff, you think that hurt |
| 16:31.14 | blast007 | only for a second |
| 16:31.25 | blast007 | then it was all over :) |
| 16:31.28 | Ice_Wewe | ~bzfrag blast007 |
| 16:31.30 | ibot | ACTION blindsides blast007 with an invisible bullet |
| 16:32.43 | Ice_Wewe | :P |
| 16:33.22 | Ice_Wewe | I just spent 30 minutes modding a USB cable so I could hook my keyboard up to my psp, and then the PSP decides it wont power it! (pfff, I tell you, smart a$$ electronics these days....) |
| 16:33.23 | wizatcomputer | ~help |
| 16:33.39 | Ice_Wewe | ~help |
| 16:33.47 | Ice_Wewe | sweet |
| 16:33.59 | wizatcomputer | ~slashdot |
| 16:34.15 | wizatcomputer | hahaha i don't even have to leav Xchat to get news |
| 16:34.26 | wizatcomputer | *leave |
| 16:35.40 | orchid | ~frag Ice_Wewe |
| 16:35.41 | ibot | ACTION readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at Ice_Wewe |
| 16:35.43 | Ice_Wewe | TimRiker!!!! ibot wont come and join my channel, I need komedy! |
| 16:35.49 | Ice_Wewe | ~treeslap orange_away |
| 16:35.53 | Ice_Wewe | bah |
| 16:35.59 | wizatcomputer | ~unlobotomy Ice_Wewe |
| 16:36.01 | Ice_Wewe | ~tree orchid |
| 16:36.03 | ibot | ACTION sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on orchid. |
| 16:36.05 | Ice_Wewe | hehehe |
| 16:36.08 | wizatcomputer | hahah |
| 16:36.11 | Ice_Wewe | ;) |
| 16:36.17 | orchid | I need a christmas tree, thanks |
| 16:36.20 | Ice_Wewe | lol |
| 16:36.36 | wizatcomputer | ~lobotomy |
| 16:36.37 | ibot | I feel different somehow. |
| 16:36.41 | Ice_Wewe | ~nuke wizatcomputer |
| 16:36.42 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at wizatcomputer ... BOOM! |
| 16:36.44 | Ice_Wewe | lol |
| 16:36.45 | wizatcomputer | :( |
| 16:37.02 | wizatcomputer | hahah the fun that can be had with a bot and bored people |
| 16:38.37 | Ice_Wewe | ~kick wizatcomputer |
| 16:38.38 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 16:39.07 | Ice_Wewe | anyone know how I can trick my PSP into putting power out of its USB port? |
| 16:39.19 | Ice_Wewe | cause I want to get this keyboard working with it |
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| 17:27.02 | Gwen | helo |
| 17:27.14 | Gwen | ? |
| 17:27.20 | Tupone | ? |
| 17:28.01 | Gwen | i have a question: everytime i play bzflag on windows the game or even the system crashes, is it the version? |
| 17:28.18 | Gwen | i have 2.0.4 |
| 17:28.24 | Tupone | what OS ? |
| 17:28.29 | Gwen | XP |
| 17:29.01 | Tupone | where did you get the binary? |
| 17:29.07 | Gwen | before with an older version i never had the problem |
| 17:29.12 | Gwen | ähm |
| 17:29.21 | Gwen | you mean the setup? |
| 17:29.55 | Tupone | the game. you downloaded from some place or you build your-self |
| 17:30.00 | Gwen | i think i got it from bzflag.org .. |
| 17:30.07 | trepan | vidcard? |
| 17:30.12 | Gwen | but i don't know exactly |
| 17:30.58 | Gwen | so you think i should install again with which binary ? |
| 17:31.40 | Tupone | Gwen, what video card you have on your system |
| 17:31.48 | Gwen | uuff |
| 17:31.50 | Gwen | äähm |
| 17:31.57 | Gwen | just a minute |
| 17:31.59 | Gwen | *G |
| 17:32.14 | Gwen | NVIDIA |
| 17:33.12 | Gwen | is that enough? |
| 17:33.26 | Tupone | I think you have to install the updated directx, but I'm the last person here, that can solve your problem. I don't have windows :) |
| 17:33.40 | Gwen | yes .. better so |
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| 17:34.14 | Gwen | i also have gentoo but i didn't update it for weeks and know it will surely take a week to upgrade.. |
| 17:34.46 | Gwen | but i don't play on linux because bzflag was ähm |
| 17:34.54 | Gwen | ruckeling |
| 17:35.05 | Gwen | shit.-. i don't know in engliesh |
| 17:35.15 | Gwen | lagging |
| 17:35.31 | Gwen | well thanks .. |
| 17:35.40 | Tupone | on gentoo? naha. |
| 17:35.57 | Gwen | where do i get these directx |
| 17:36.23 | Tupone | I'm on gentoo too, and I guess the speed is the same that windows, so if it lag on gentoo it lags on windows too |
| 17:36.53 | Gwen | jeah id does not lag it ... stops and goes .. stopps and goes .. you know what i mean |
| 17:37.22 | trepan | unless he/she is using s/w drivers :) |
| 17:37.23 | Tupone | aww, you tried with the 2.0.0 version then |
| 17:37.24 | Gwen | surely cause my gentoo is grandfather now .. |
| 17:37.26 | ToughShooter | stuttering? (I'm no native english speaker, either) |
| 17:37.46 | Gwen | yes |
| 17:38.11 | Gwen | what 2.0.0 ?? |
| 17:38.17 | Tupone | bzflag |
| 17:38.23 | Gwen | if i tried it ?? |
| 17:38.25 | Tupone | on gentoo |
| 17:38.26 | Gwen | ähm |
| 17:38.35 | Tupone | what is the last version you tried on gentoo? |
| 17:38.39 | Gwen | ouh on gentoo i don't know at the mom |
| 17:39.18 | Gwen | but could be .. that it was 2.0.0. .. why? is it known that it does not work? |
| 17:39.19 | Tupone | however, to download the directx, you should go to M$ site |
| 17:39.41 | Gwen | ah i see |
| 17:39.46 | Tupone | Gwen, there were some problem on the 2.0.0 |
| 17:40.07 | Gwen | ok .. thanks for the information tupone .. i was allready wondering about |
| 17:41.03 | Tupone | well, if you are going to retry the gentoo I can help. Otherwise ask to DTRemenak, Jeff or blast007 for windows problem |
| 17:41.26 | Tupone | when they are in good mood |
| 17:41.51 | Tupone | :) |
| 17:41.51 | Gwen | i firstly have to upgrade .. otherwise it is water on a hot stone :) |
| 17:42.12 | Gwen | yes thanks |
| 17:42.31 | Gwen | my english is crap |
| 17:42.34 | Gwen | i hate it |
| 17:42.51 | Gwen | what does my grandmother lives in england for |
| 17:43.06 | Gwen | live |
| 17:43.07 | Tupone | last version of bzflag is also available directly from gentoo mirrors. You just have to select the unstable version of bzflag |
| 17:43.08 | Gwen | *G |
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| 17:43.27 | Tupone | Gwen, where are you from ? |
| 17:43.32 | Gwen | germany |
| 17:43.43 | Tupone | ahh, Italy here |
| 17:43.54 | Gwen | :) |
| 17:44.52 | Gwen | bye then ..thanks for help |
| 17:45.53 | BZBot | New news from gumatches: Dec 11 03:39 => T.B.O. (the better ones):12, T42 (tea for two):1 || Dec 11 03:00 => T.B.O. (the better ones):11, T42 (tea for two):2 || Dec 10 23:33 => Charm:5, [ForestForce]:3 || Dec 10 22:35 => Kick Ass Squad [KAS]:6, [ForestForce]:4 || Dec 10 22:07 => T.B.O. (the better ones):10, [phagozytose]:0 |
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| 19:22.50 | JeffM2501 | whoot |
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| 20:25.18 | lan56 | does the vc++ bzflag build with areslib being linked or is it built along with bzflag? |
| 20:26.37 | JeffM2501 | it's linked into our libCURL IIRC |
| 20:36.53 | lan56 | ah I see |
| 20:38.20 | JeffM2501 | I think |
| 20:38.24 | JeffM2501 | i could be wrong tho |
| 20:38.31 | JeffM2501 | tupone is the ares/curl master |
| 20:38.34 | JeffM2501 | but they are related |
| 20:39.40 | lan56 | right |
| 20:44.11 | bdotson | you have to get the ares.vcproj file or whatever from cvs |
| 20:44.21 | bdotson | the stable build doesn't come with it |
| 20:44.25 | bdotson | stable source i mean |
| 20:44.39 | bdotson | or make it yourself |
| 20:45.02 | JeffM2501 | ummm the zip has it |
| 20:45.06 | JeffM2501 | the tarball may not |
| 20:45.12 | JeffM2501 | and he's not using VC |
| 20:45.23 | lan56 | I did. I took the ares files and made a .a out of it |
| 20:45.36 | JeffM2501 | link it in, can't hurt :) |
| 20:45.42 | bdotson | JeffM2501 the zip did not have it last time i downloaded it |
| 20:45.50 | JeffM2501 | it better have |
| 20:45.53 | JeffM2501 | I made the zip :) |
| 20:46.03 | JeffM2501 | directly from a CVS export |
| 20:46.04 | bdotson | it wouldn't build, so i just had to download the one from cvs |
| 20:46.11 | lan56 | correct, I'll get to that shortly. it will be better than building them along with bzflag and saves a lot of space in the project files |
| 20:47.24 | BZBot | New news from matches: Dec 10 22:29 => MTC:10, Jr. DUB:1 |
| 20:50.55 | JeffM2501 | I just downloaded the zip and it's got ares.vcprog |
| 20:51.04 | bdotson | hm weird |
| 20:51.15 | bdotson | maybe i'm just a retard then |
| 20:51.29 | JeffM2501 | what do you use for an unziper? |
| 20:52.03 | bdotson | winrar |
| 20:52.10 | JeffM2501 | eww, I'm sorry |
| 20:52.17 | bdotson | maybe i _did_ get the tarball |
| 20:52.26 | blast007 | what's wrong with WinRAR? :P |
| 20:52.32 | blast007 | better than WinZip |
| 20:52.39 | JeffM2501 | the tarball is made on linux, with a build system that dosn't know about windows files |
| 20:52.48 | JeffM2501 | blast007, are you kidding |
| 20:52.55 | blast007 | no |
| 20:53.00 | JeffM2501 | I've had problems with winrar eating files |
| 20:53.02 | JeffM2501 | a lot |
| 20:53.09 | JeffM2501 | winzip never fails me |
| 20:53.23 | blast007 | mine doesn't eat files |
| 20:53.33 | JeffM2501 | then you are lucky |
| 20:53.47 | JeffM2501 | the right mouse menu stuff for winzip works pefect for how I do stuff |
| 20:54.09 | JeffM2501 | it also does line ending conversions |
| 20:54.19 | JeffM2501 | so that's nice when geting code outa tarballs |
| 20:54.30 | blast007 | I don't like line ending conversions ;) |
| 20:54.39 | JeffM2501 | you can turn it off |
| 20:54.48 | blast007 | I know, but I still prefer WinRAR |
| 20:54.51 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 20:54.56 | JeffM2501 | it's your puter |
| 20:55.15 | JeffM2501 | I do still have winrar installed |
| 20:55.22 | JeffM2501 | since sometimes I get rar files |
| 20:55.34 | blast007 | there's also one called ZipGenius out there |
| 20:55.48 | JeffM2501 | I own winzip, and it works for me |
| 20:56.02 | RPG_ | wow... you *bought* it? |
| 20:56.07 | JeffM2501 | specialy the select a bunch of files, and have it auto make an archive the same name as the folder |
| 20:56.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah why would I not buy software I use |
| 20:56.20 | JeffM2501 | developers have to eat too, ya know |
| 20:56.32 | bdotson | i pay for all shareware i use too |
| 20:56.33 | RPG_ | the evaluation copy always worked for me :) |
| 20:56.36 | bdotson | winrar is paid for ;) |
| 20:56.50 | lan56 | the cd's in the back of the books from the library are good too :) |
| 20:57.20 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, it's what $30? for it |
| 20:57.39 | JeffM2501 | if you use it a lot, you shoudl show your aprication and pay them, so they can keep making good software |
| 20:58.39 | JeffM2501 | I did like how winrar added a lot of right mouse menu options |
| 20:59.17 | RPG_ | you mean winzip? |
| 20:59.30 | JeffM2501 | no winrar |
| 20:59.40 | JeffM2501 | winzip has allways had the rmm stuff |
| 21:01.19 | JeffM2501 | hmmm gotta figure out where to put the avatar in the new chatbox now |
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| 21:08.31 | JeffM2501 | zip vesion builds just fine |
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| 21:17.31 | BZBot | New news from gumatches: Dec 11 17:30 => T42 (tea for two):6, Day of Destruction {DoD}:2 |
| 21:17.35 | BZBot | New news from matches: Dec 11 21:07 => [HoW] Hell On Wheels:8, Bz Incorporated:3 |
| 21:20.51 | RPG_ | where is BZBot getting this info from? |
| 21:21.36 | brad2901 | RSS feeds |
| 21:21.46 | brad2901 | http://my.bzflag.org/league/rss/ |
| 21:21.56 | brad2901 | and http://gu.bzleague.com/rss/ |
| 21:22.11 | RPG_ | took the words outa my mouth :) |
| 21:27.09 | brad2901 | (: |
| 21:27.32 | RPG_ | >:) |
| 21:27.45 | RPG_ | JeffM2501: do you have any zipped builds of GPx01? |
| 21:35.30 | JeffM2501 | no |
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| 21:40.44 | JeffM2501 | how does this look? |
| 21:40.47 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/files/hosted/jeffm2501/mini-w-teams.png |
| 21:42.14 | RPG_ | what happens when you get 30+ players playing? |
| 21:42.23 | RPG_ | err... 15+ |
| 21:42.34 | JeffM2501 | I can make the avatars and text shrink |
| 21:42.42 | JeffM2501 | and it will auto size |
| 21:42.47 | JeffM2501 | like the chatbox does |
| 21:43.01 | JeffM2501 | scrolling isn't out of the question ether |
| 21:43.02 | RPG_ | looks god |
| 21:43.31 | JeffM2501 | as more lines are added to the chatbox it grows up |
| 21:43.42 | JeffM2501 | then as lines time out they are removed and it scrolls back down |
| 21:43.50 | RPG_ | cool |
| 21:44.22 | JeffM2501 | tho techinicaly it should be like this |
| 21:44.28 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/files/hosted/jeffm2501/mini-w-teams-2.png |
| 21:44.34 | JeffM2501 | and show the name of the chater |
| 21:45.53 | JeffM2501 | also probably auto hide the player list when it isn't in use |
| 21:49.37 | ToughShooter | Why was this project moved away from the BZFlag CVS? |
| 21:49.38 | brad2901 | gu admin needed.. spoogebob is at 5154 |
| 21:50.03 | lan56 | wow I forgot he exists, havent seen spoogebob in a long time |
| 21:50.09 | brad2901 | :S |
| 21:50.18 | JeffM2501 | because it dosn't have anything realy to do with bzflag |
| 21:50.24 | JeffM2501 | other then that ground texture :) |
| 21:51.13 | JeffM2501 | and I figured you all didn't need to be buged with every single commit |
| 21:51.24 | ToughShooter | I wonder whether the fancy menu's etc could be incooperated into bz |
| 21:52.11 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 21:52.15 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 21:52.25 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is welcome to pull code form it |
| 21:52.31 | JeffM2501 | tho this code is very difrent |
| 21:53.46 | lan56 | neat opencombat has hills that the player can drive up |
| 21:53.53 | JeffM2501 | lan56, it does? |
| 21:54.13 | ToughShooter | One of the pics you had on the homepage had |
| 21:54.20 | lan56 | on the site unde sep 1 2004 |
| 21:54.28 | JeffM2501 | it did? |
| 21:54.33 | JeffM2501 | ohh the world test stuff |
| 21:54.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah that didn't work out |
| 21:54.44 | lan56 | oh :( |
| 21:57.41 | ToughShooter | One interesting aspect of BZFlag 2.x is that most people don't play on maps with lots of meshes, like, the majority uses really old computers and/or likes the classical maps better |
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| 22:08.40 | Birdie | bzflag crashing after switching to desktop somethimes is only windows related? |
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| 22:34.24 | Legoguy | ok, thats just weird, after some time playing the HUD completely disappears as well as all the tanks, all thats shown is the out-the-window view and I can still press esc and get out of the game |
| 22:34.43 | Legoguy | note that it freezes, i cant move my tanks |
| 22:34.48 | Legoguy | tank* |
| 22:35.36 | Workaphobia | it freezes, but you can still get out? |
| 22:35.53 | Workaphobia | Not that I would know how to help, but I may have a similar problem. Do you still hear sounds? |
| 22:36.45 | Legoguy | yes |
| 22:37.02 | Legoguy | everything except for the screen updating appears to work |
| 22:37.22 | Legoguy | like i may still be moving the tank and shooting but i can't see it |
| 22:37.30 | Workaphobia | the bug I keep getting is that every few minutes my display will flicker between two frames; everything else functions including the menu, I just have to navigate it by sound. Sounds like the exact same problem. |
| 22:37.50 | Workaphobia | also if I take a screenshot, the flickering halts for the time it takes to perform that, then continues |
| 22:37.50 | Legoguy | this didn't start happening until just toda |
| 22:38.16 | Workaphobia | Well I've had it for a few months. Strange thing is it's happening with older versions of bzflag, 2.0.2 I think, when it didn't before |
| 22:38.19 | Legoguy | maybe, maybe it's caused from my bumping my OC from 3.2->3.4 to 3.2-3.5ghz |
| 22:38.38 | Legoguy | linux? |
| 22:38.41 | Workaphobia | yes |
| 22:38.50 | Legoguy | nvidia? |
| 22:38.52 | Workaphobia | yes |
| 22:38.58 | Legoguy | [ video ] Video Adapter: nVidia Corporation NV35 [GeForce FX 5900] (rev a1) |
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| 22:39.14 | Workaphobia | I'm a 6200. Most recent drivers, although it happened across the last two or three revisions |
| 22:39.14 | Legoguy | hmmm. |
| 22:39.34 | Workaphobia | The thing is it doesn't seem to be a hardware problem to me - or at least I get the feeling that if it were, it would be more severe than just not updating properly |
| 22:39.39 | Legoguy | nvidia 8174? |
| 22:39.43 | Workaphobia | now, yes |
| 22:39.56 | Legoguy | hmm |
| 22:39.57 | Workaphobia | OH! Also, when I minimize the game and restore it, that fixes the rendering problem temporarily |
| 22:40.01 | Workaphobia | until the next time it screws up, minutes later |
| 22:40.04 | Legoguy | hmm |
| 22:40.06 | Legoguy | ill try that |
| 22:40.17 | Legoguy | pressing f1 to drop it down to a window |
| 22:40.33 | Legoguy | do you have vsync on? |
| 22:40.41 | Workaphobia | checking.. I don't know much about that option |
| 22:40.54 | Legoguy | it locks your framerate to your monitors vertical refresh |
| 22:41.05 | Workaphobia | it's in nvidia-settings, right? |
| 22:41.07 | Legoguy | mone |
| 22:41.09 | Legoguy | err |
| 22:41.10 | Legoguy | yeah |
| 22:41.25 | Legoguy | mine's off, so i get about 200 or so fps depending on map |
| 22:41.40 | Legoguy | if it were on, i would get about 75 |
| 22:41.42 | Workaphobia | Hm, I'm not seeing it - could you tell me what menu option it's under |
| 22:42.01 | Legoguy | opengl settings |
| 22:42.04 | Legoguy | sync to vblank |
| 22:42.11 | Workaphobia | mine's of |
| 22:42.12 | Workaphobia | off |
| 22:42.25 | Legoguy | hmm |
| 22:42.28 | Workaphobia | hm, swapping buffers.. Well that certainly sounds related |
| 22:43.28 | Workaphobia | I'll have to play with both that option and the flipping one to see if it gets rid of the problem. But of course it's difficult to prove a negative, I might have to play for an hour or two |
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| 22:43.43 | Workaphobia | how about you, you've only seen this happen with your current settings, or have you changed them around? |
| 22:44.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): NetHandler does not need playerIndex anymore |
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| 23:18.05 | BZBot | New news from matches: Dec 11 23:00 => MTC:5, [HoW] Hell On Wheels:3 || Dec 11 01:30 => MTC:10, Jr. DUB:1 || Dec 11 01:00 => MTC:6, The Barbarians:3 |
| 23:19.27 | Legoguy | i think theres another bug with people spawning in the air |
| 23:19.38 | Legoguy | louman's lasermania just went 100% nr |
| 23:19.49 | Legoguy | after 2 or 3 people spawned in the air |
| 23:19.55 | Legoguy | actually after they landed |
| 23:20.03 | Legoguy | zsh: 6131 segmentation fault bzflag |
| 23:25.22 | Legoguy | yeah, crashed everyone's games |
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| 23:48.14 | BZBot | New news from matches: Dec 11 23:39 => MTC:4, [HoW] Hell On Wheels:3 |
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